Ep. 205 - The Good, The Bad, and The PV

Join Drew and Mike as they discuss new affordable bolt, the not more affordable model y, and the modular Kia PV5

Published: 10-10-2025, Recorded: 10-9-2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, come back to the most recent episode. We're just
cranking these things out now. Every day. It feels like
you might think.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's the next hour that we're doing this, it's not.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, we just accurately predicted everything that was announced like
a week or two ago or where, which honestly, a
lot of the leaks were very accurate.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Around the Chevy Bolts, I know, right, all.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
The leaks from GM they get.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
A man, they're the best leaker out there. Is that
what you wanted to start with. I kind of want
to start with the good, okay, so the bull and
then go with the bad. Yeah okay, and then go
with the TV, the PV, the good, the bad, the ugly,
the good the bad TV. We'll talk about like, Okay,
this is my attempt at a pun and it's failing
right now, but it's also kind of good bad.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Just many things failing in this episode.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It's not just.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thank you for saying that. Failing so something that I
was excited about this week and which I was very surprised.
I'll preface it by I googled and binged and really
duck duck, goad and whatever I could everything to try
to find Chevy Bolt unveiling Chevy Bolt's release Chevy Bolt

(01:15):
twenty twenty seven. Yeah, nothing showed up in terms of
an event that I could look up on the internet
for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Wasn't it like a Universal Studios or.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes, which I was confused by how this was not
talked about more, either by Chevy themselves, no, or anyone else.
I just remember hearing it from either you or someone
in the discord or someone else saying there's going to
be a Chevy.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Event this week. I don't know that there was gonna
be in a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, I only found out once the event already happened.
I opened Twitter, and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
It was just like it's here all the specs which
will into But I was amazed.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I was like, this sounds great. I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, that night I looked up like someone had to
like take a video or done some video. Nothing that night.
I guess that was last night. No, so nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
A lot of the pictures were like in some random neighborhood. Yeah,
so it's like GM just hold the event at someone's house.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Sure, why not. It's like it's an everyday car. Yeah,
I guess that's kind of awesome. Though there wasn't some
big like unveil, smoke and lasers or anything, giant robotaxi
event that model Wiz driven around everywhere?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Wasn't that also? Yeah, the universal backlog event? But do
you think, okay, so the specs are probably out.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
There Chevy Bolt Gen three has been unveiled, Yes, in
full glory.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yes, most of you probably know the specs. But do
you want to go over the specs or.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I actually don't know them by heart? Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Good?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well I do know is that starts at twenty nine
thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And what's amazing about that price point is they bragged
about how that includes destination fee.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm like, how nice of a company to actually start
including that mandatory fee because most companies, all of you,
don't include that. No, even though it's a mandatory thing.
There's no way around. It doesn't matter where you are
in the country, you have to pay that fee. And

(03:27):
yet GM, probably wisely because they know this is a
more price sensitive vehicle, they were like, it has to
be under thirty K factoring in the fees now not
taxes because that varies on state.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But the question I have is are they actually making
money off of this with that price.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's a valid, valid concern because I felt like that's
why they stopped the bolt in the first place.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, there's a lot of problems with the first gen
in the second world, the first gen.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, the first gen had a bunch of problems.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
We made jokes about it. Yeah, explode. There's a few
of them that drove back when we're having dinner once
and we just kept on making jokes. Job exploding right
next to us.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
No, they definitely, undeniably did a lot of damage towards
ev perception. It's a lot of damage because they straight
up had to have listings on parking garages for a while. Yeah,
like you cannot park Chevy bolts within this premises. Right,
So it's the most expensive recall in history. But I

(04:30):
feel like that had all been resolved in the last
couple of years of the second gen bolt.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Right, Yes, it seemed like the second gen bowl if
it had any recalls, If I recall, they were mainly
cosmetic and or like the airbag may deploy on accident,
bring it back in, or maybe the door handled. Yeah,
I don't recall any of it because I wasn't di
invested in.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
The but even like the battery problems had been addressed,
like they had fixed the old bolts. Yes, they're still
old bolts driving around.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
They weren't on the new OLDTM battery pack. I think
was the reason why, or one of the reasons why
they killed it off.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Is that it was like a different supply chain for
the batteries than what everything else in the lineup was.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, well, it's like making your own we can use
Tesla as an examples. It's like using a whole bunch
of LG cells when you can use your own forty
six eightys that you're making if it makes sense for
the product. In the case of GM, it was, well,
we're planning on putting the OLDTM battery packs in all
of our products.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Now they've dropped that naming though really that's the OLTM
is now archaic. I don't know what they call it,
but they just decided we're not calling it OLTM anymore.
But that ties into how the new bolt is not
using the same batteries as the rest of the.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
GM line no, which is even more I forget who
they get their batteries from for the third gen. But
I think the big news point is that it's LFP.
I love that, meaning you can charge it up one
hundred percent. Yeah, you can take it all the way
down to I don't have an LFP pack, so can
you take it down to like ten percent or lesson?
It's okay one of us? Does? Did you get rid

(06:16):
of the three without me? No?

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I'm the one of the two of them. You don't
have one, but.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
No, like they basically matched the specs of my Model
three with the bolt now both in like church speed
and chemistry.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, they three x the charging speed, so it has
to be fifty kill a lot. Now it's one hundred
and fifty.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Quite I mean a low bar to be sure, but
quite an improvement gen over generation. How many evs can
say that the first gen charged at this much in
this one charges three times faster.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Maybe the leaf is next I forget. Oh, yeah, I've
talked about it's probably charging speeds for that one, I'm sure.
I mean the news point for this one is I
think it stills the leaks where that has two plugs.
The leaf does? The leaf does? Yeah, the new leaf
the bolt just has an X.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
It has an export in the wrong place, but yes
it does.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's not the wrong location.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
You don't road trip I think as much as I do, okay,
And you haven't seen genuine experiences where people are like
on Thanksgiving weekend trying to visit their family and the
supercharger says it has available stalls, and then you show
up and you can't plug in because there's an F
one fifty lightning taking two spaces and the software doesn't

(07:33):
realize that, oh well, this cable's free, but the other
cars can't.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Fans on the stalls or whatever I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
The solution is obviously V fours everywhere, or what's probably
easier if you're redesigning a whole vehicle and you're including
an entirely new battery chemistry and battery pack, and you're
changing the lights and the looks, you might think about
putting the port somewhere else while you're changing up all
these things.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Now, just take out garput.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Or you do the leaf approach and put a port
on both sides. But it's I think for that it's
part the KNAX ports on the correct side.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
But you know that on the leaf the NAX only
does DC right, yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And then use CCS for AC. It doesn't have.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
The everyone they're so simple.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
For clarification, there's the whole bunch of pins for slow charging,
and then the two or whatever it.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Is is really just those two pins at the bottom.
It doesn't do anything with those the J seventeen. If
you look at most like DC fast chargers that are ccs,
the top part of it is just a hole. It's
literally just meant to fit around the J seventeen.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Actually, Yeah, all that's really being done is those two
pins are doing the fast stuff. But anyways, back to
the Yeah, the leaf is in the right place for NAS.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
The leaf gets your stand of approval. Yeah, wholeheartedly.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I guess you won't need an adapter with a leaf
unless you go to a C that's a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, no matter what you're gonna need on right, you
can't get around it. Unless I don't know, you put
a port on all four cars, I can charge it.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
If they built a car based on YouTube comments, would
just be a nax A CCS and chatter stop like
all fours, every corner as every port. This is great
for curbside, but yeah, the same point they went above
and beyond with the next port on the bolt, and

(09:38):
it also has vehicle to home.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Was it V two L or whatever as well?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, so it can output ten kilowatts from that charge port,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Like that's pretty good. GM. This is a cheap car.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
You weren't supposed to go all out with the They
were like, not only.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Is it three times faster charge the other way.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I'm like, I know for a fact talking with supply
chain people, now, that is not a free thing. That
It's not like a oh, just turn it on via
software like that physically costs more money in bill put
more hardware and m m. It's an inverter. That's basically
what it is. That's what the Tesla just did on

(10:19):
the Performance model. Why you're really are you even talking
about that last week?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
By the way, I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I feel like they made that accessory, that mobile connector
thing that like pulls remember the lame cyber truck Well,
let me be more specific.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Cyber real drive one.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
How they didn't have the outlets in the bed anymore. Okay,
so they came up with a workaround, which was dumb
where that was.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Like kind of like what Ionic five does where you're
able to plug into.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
The Yeah, well it works through your mobile connector. Yeah,
so you plug in just like how I just stole
your one thing instead of the one ten plug, it's
the reverse of that. Okay, So now it's a one
ten outlet that and then the NACT goes into the
car outputs. So Tesla made that and then canceled the

(11:16):
cyber truck that needed that, and they were like, well,
what do we do with all these accessories?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Put it on something?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Okay, put it on the fast bottle, y, I guess,
but not the rest of it.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Anyway, the bolt is awesome.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, but it's a valid, valid question.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Are they profitable?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
It seems way too good to be true, which.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's my question. But I mean, I'm happy about it
coming back. Yeah, yes, and hopefully it does, especially with
what it looks like now, I think it's a nice blend.
I took a screenshot and if I've got it, but
I took a screenshot of the three different generations.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Oh okay, that's good, And I honestly saw the Gen
three and I couldn't really tell visually between them.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Oh there we go. Okay, we can put this stuff
on the screen, I guess at this time.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
All right, So which one's the newest one.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Right, So Gen one's on the right, Gen two is
on the left. Gen three's in the middle. Oh, okay, here,
this will be well, I mean it's going to be
put on the screen anyways.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Right now, you're not you don't have time to edit these, Mike.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
But anyways, it's nice seeing they've never had a funk, right,
that's no, that's okay. I don't know, but the trunk
and the sub trunk in this one is massive, right.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think I did hear someone say that the new
bolt is just based on the dimensions of the EUV. Yes,
so they've basically scrapped the smaller.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
The original bolt is pretty much gone, and now the
UV is carrying on the name.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I'm okay with that me too, if if it simplifies
the assembly, because now they don't have to build two
different versions.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's what was the confusing thing. Yeah, I had in
my mind when they announced, because I remember watching that
unveiling really seeing thee Yeah, the Gen two one, It's like,
why is there a bigger one?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
They weren't that different, No, I meant like five inches.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Five inches of difference in terms of length, and then
case was a little bit different, just to differentiate EUV
because the EUV I think, was supposed to take on
the model.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Why where the it still wasn't that close in size
though it's still.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
It was the smaller of the competition, the world's smallest crossover. Yeah,
it's like, how do we make it small but not
quite compact? But it's such a it's such a gray
area that Yeah, I'm fine with them just keeping it.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Let's keep it simple, right. I never liked the term EUV.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
That was weird.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Electric utility vehicle or whatever.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's so redundant.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I don't know, Well, it's like SUV or whatever sports
utility vehicle, which it's very vague. Is do you own
a sport utility vehicle or just a crossover? Right?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Even all the seriously, all the automotive genres are so abstract.
Pickup truck is probably the most specific one, is it?

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Though?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
In Sedan?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I feel like everything that's not a pickup truck in
a Sedan is confusing. It's like a crossover means shared
platform with a Sedan but has SUV like quality. And
then there's hatchback, which is both a segment and a feature.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, but the vy Bolt was with a hatchbag, right, Yeah,
but the new Priz is a sedan with a hatchbag.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
But like someone could confuse this Bolt as a crossover
or a compact.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yes, I like you could. It's still it's pretty much
an EUV, so it's smaller than the model.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Y you could use those terms interchangeably, Whereas I feel
like no one's going to confuse it as a sedan.
When people see a sedan, they're like, yep, that's low.
Like it's low, I got it. But no one's like,
but people will call this an suv probably, I don't know.
It's a stretch. It's a very small suv, but have

(15:13):
to stretch it pretty far.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah. I think they did a good job. The interior
looks pretty good from what I've seen.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
We need to spend.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
More time with the GM software. I remember you and
I checked out the Blazer and thought it.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Was we were going to go drive a Bolt. Actually,
think this is the one I want to drive. We
wanted to drive the Gen two Bolt, and we went
to the dealership and there was I believe right, we
went there. We went there, Well what else would we drive? Right?
Because we didn't. I don't think the Equinox was there yet,

(15:48):
and the Blazer. We were surprised by how many they had.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
There was a ton of Blazers, Like what else would be.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
We weren't there to drive a Silverado because that wasn't
out at the time either, at least they were. Yeah,
so it had to be a Bolt that we were
going to drive. And they I think either we looked
online or we're just hoping that they had a few
on the lot, and they I think they did. But
we immediately saw the Blazer like, well it looked we
make fun of the Blazer because the quote unquote Blazer

(16:16):
effect and it was kind of the new.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Car at the time. Yeah, it was the new kid
on the block.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, and the software wasn't bad in it.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I think that's that's why.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm interested in what the new Bolt is like. Is
it going to have a good quality to it? Since
the earlier Jens had car Play, Yeah, this one doesn't.
Of Some argue that it's good because you don't have
to go through the car play silliness of connect the
phone and then go through the different tapping screens and

(16:46):
different things that tells you to do.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Where ongoing debate among Yeah, I mean that's something Tesla
and Rivian even agree on is it's better for us
to have complete control than right up to the phone
Lucid like, here you go, have fun.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Meanwhile, I've got car playing the track, but it's base
screens whatever it is, diodes or whatever. Yeah, but yeah, no,
I'd say that's definitely the good for this week is
the bolt came back?

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Okay, when I wanted to ask you, because I don't
think I mentioned it in my video, you made a video.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
I haven't finished it yet.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Very busy, I apparently have time to edit normal telos
of stuff. But do you think the timing of this
announcement was somewhat intentional?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Well, did they know the standard Model Y and three
were coming?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And we're like they undercut it pretty good, right? It
sure feels like it.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Was intentional, Like the release of everyone saying almost and
you're saying in Unison, everyone was like, Model Y needs
to be.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Way cheaper than this.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
They should have gone, you know, a smaller battery at
a lower price point. Everyone was saying that that was
the narrative, even from Tesla fans. I was reading like
even the pretty big Tesla bowls were like what really?
And then just literally what two days later or the
next day.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
It was very close. So this was announced yesterday, I
think the standard was announced, so literally the next day
they drop a thirty thousand dollars and it has the
same feature in the center console as well, which is
open vincle or whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, they don't have the How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
The bolt?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, and I love it.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
No, i'd say in the bolt it seems very skinny
compared to the standard model. Why, Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Personally, I don't have.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
A problem with it.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I think I'm indifferent to it because you could always
aftermarket something.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
The problem I have with mine is it's pan of
black and so you see all the dust during everything
on it. That's been changed for a while now. But
having a place just to drop stuff and you don't
have to sneak your arm in kind of like with
the Lucid gravity where you can lose things deep in there.
Oh yeah, I think I like the approach that GM

(19:16):
took or Chevy did the bolt, and especially with a
adjustable cup holder thing they really thought and yeah, it
was like the ev Nerd guy I think is an
YouTube channel that's who I watched the video of thank you,
by the way for putting a video out there, because
I was looking for it find it last night, and
then this morning it was available, Like, I'll watch it.

(19:38):
That thing. I don't know. I have no clue, honestly, I.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Just feel like the timing is suspicious.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's all really interesting both.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I guess it could have something to do with the
tax credit. Maybe that's what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I've gotten a clue. Man, right after the tax credit ends,
that's when we dropped the I don't know, right, but
I like the interior design. It is actually kind of
similar with the phone charging locations.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
That's new, right. I don't think the old bolt had
the phone chargers there.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't think if it did, maybe it was one pad. Yeah,
I think that I'd have to look on the inside again.
But that's a good place for them. I like that. Yeah. Well,
I mean it's the same argument for the standard model wise,
like it's still good to have those, and I'm glad
that Tesla kept it on the model eyed standard. No,
it's perfect, but I think where GM pivoted correctly with one.

(20:31):
It's a new bolt, Like, it's not like we still
have been making the bolt and here's a new trim
of it, like it is a return of the quote
unquote king, all bolts come back to be honest, though,
I test. I think I've told this story on the
podcast before. I test drove a volt and a bolt

(20:52):
at the same time, or not at the same time,
because I'd be very hard in the same instance of
me visiting a dealership. Okay, back in ye Crush twenty seventeen,
I think I was cross shopping because I was wanting
to get an Ivy or a hybrid, most likely Nevy. Yeah,
and I thought i'd be all in on the bolt.
Test drove the ball, I'm like, this is not really

(21:13):
I'm not driving with the interior of the first gen Bolt,
and then drove the Volt. I'm like, this is so
much better. And then they canceled the Vault. Not like
a couple months later, a year later.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Dude, hybrid's got a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
There's a lot.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
A coworker of mine has a fold. I sat in
the back seat and I thought it was terrible.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Okay, I'm sure the front seat's great. Front seats are amazing.
I haven't sat in the back seat because well, and
I mean, it be a car that I'm driving, so
who cares. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I've spent a lot of time in the back seats.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I guess. Have you been in the back seat of
a Priz, the new Priz. This is just an offhanded tangent.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
I had been in the front seat of the new PRIs.
Another coworker has the plug in one.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, maybe try out the backseat of that then, cross,
because that is actually something I'm not inched in buying
a Priz or Volt? Well, what was it was good?

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Did you like the back seat?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
No? I haven't. That's because you have experiencing in the
back of the Volt. It's in the back of the
Priz because they're both very similar products. They're both hybrids,
Oh right, true sedans with a hatch. Yeah. And so
if you weren't comfortable in the back of the Vault,
I wonder if you'll be comfortable in the back of
the PRIs. I don't. I don't even know if it
was a hybrid thing.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
It just felt like a packaging thing, like they they
made the trunk too long or something.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
The hatch, yeah, yeah, the the back cut way.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
My friend was like, oh no, you can hop back there,
And I was just like, like, man, people have no
right complaining about the telew second road. After I sat
in some of these other cars, I'm like, dude, it
is massively more spacious in this two door Mini Cooper truck. Sorry,
this isn't a sponsored podcast.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
But it's a kind of weird podcast that we're talking
about hybrids.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
He's got the hat on and I've got the pluck
like I'm just anytime you see me, you just have
to assume this is sponsored.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Anyways, let's get back on track. Yes, from the good
to the bad.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Oh, we're transitioning.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Are you talking about the bolt LFP's a great chemistry.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yes, I think it's come full circle because they had
thermal issues with the pouch cells.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Now they're going with.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
An ultra safe cell, which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
And it goes two hundred and fifty five miles.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
That's a good forgot to mention that that's great.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
So what range does your three get?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Exactly two fifty five?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Cool?

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I kid you not.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I full charged it the other day. They checked the mileage.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's what it was. Minds out like seventy right now
in terms of degradation, I think so I'm getting close,
but I have to charge to eighty percent.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's the thing is eighty percent of three twenty abstract
range that I'm sure won't come up later in the show,
not all eighty percent of three twenty.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Guess what it is?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Something about like something close.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's very close to probably two sixty three.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
So I think that's the right trade off as an
EV fan, like I know, if you don't drive an EV.
Three hundred and twenty mile range sounds like it would
be better at road tripping. But from my personal experience,
I was there too. Yeah, like road tripping in the
three and the Y, I found the three faster, even

(24:38):
though the range was lower and the peak speed was lower.
But because LFP has that thicker curve and it can
go up to one hundred a lot easier that NMC
hates going to one hundred.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
You get over ninety, it's like.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh, you're sitting there for as long as you were
before because oh it's double.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh if people take it, it'll it'll be pulling like
fifty kilowatts at ninety percent.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
But that's my three. I don't know the characteristics of
the bolt. That's what I'm interested in seeing once it
comes out next year. Yeah, I believe. I think it's
a twenty twenty seven months.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Which isn't that long.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Next year is just a few months, so don't remind
me we're at the end of the year already.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Here it comes. But no, I'm I'm genuinely impressed. I
was not expecting it to be that good. I think
there were a lot of people suspecting the charge speed
might get a little better, but I don't think. Well,
some people probably speculated, but I wasn't expecting one fifty.
I was like, maybe they'll hit one hundred one twenty,
because every bolt before this was fifty fifty or less.

(25:37):
So the fact that they got that high, and I'm
curious how deep it can hold, I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I think I think they'll sell great indeed, And it's
goot buttons as well for those that yes, still want
buttons Underneath the screen. It's not all driver displays screen
plus center display screen. Those are decoupled as well. There's
a nice little shape cover over the drivers as well,
so it's not the sun, which I'm a little bit

(26:03):
but whatever. See.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Well, yeah, I don't mind everything being on the screen.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think that's.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
It's a personal preference thing. But I think people over
exaggerate how hard it is to navigate. I'm like, now,
if you've got really good software, you can do it
all on one screen. However, to the Bolts point, I
don't think everyone should just do what Tesla does. No,
you want to have options, and Tesla's kind of the
big trillion dollar elephant in the room.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
So instead of just.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Copycatting everything Tesla does, it's good to be like, let's
explore the alternative. And my hope I could be wrong,
but my hope is the way they're able to achieve
such affordability is that GM has such an extreme scale.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yes, they've already been making these buttons, they've already been
making these screens.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Incorporating all that is not that much more because they
already have a huge supply chain for it. They're selling
gas car are still and they're probably sharing a lot
of components with those. For Tesla to add all that
would cost a lot more because they don't have a
supply chain in place and right so to each their own. Basically,
if you like the software focus, there's options for you.

(27:16):
If you want the buttons perfect, it also gets super cruise.
Oh yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So something that was I think gated only for if
I recall the Cadillacs for a while, has now come
all the way down to the bulls Man, which is cool.
I know it's insane, man, I assume it's an add on. Yeah,
probably not on the base model, but no. So all
they've mentioned I think for I can tell is there's

(27:43):
the LT and then the whatever the RS. I don't
think it's R the fleet versions wherever the naming was
there and it's gone on my screen, that's okay. LT
has this much or there an RS trim?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I saw, wow, even though they're all front wheel drive.
I don't know what the RS stands for, but I
thought that was like.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
The sportier version.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I like they putting the nile off.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
No, it's just more explosive than I'm just glad they
didn't quote a zero to sixty time. They don't need
to players. It's probably not great, but that's not the
point of the product.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That's not the point of the BOWLT.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I'm perfectly happy, you know. Every time I post a video,
sorry to bring it back to Tello. That's just a
big part of my life now. Every time we do
a video on the zero to sixty. We get all
these complaints of everyone going, I don't.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Need to go that fast. That's stupid, Like make it slower.
I'm like you, you don't have to stop the accelerator,
you know. They just I hate it when I'm driving
my WI my garage and I have to stop on
the sentry. I go all the way into the streets.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, just launch it out of the driveway. So annoying.
I wish it did that process lower.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
It's really annoying when I'm in entrapped.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, I just pass everybody.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I immediately hit the Speaking of annoying, yes, the standard
model y wait, wait, wait, you still want to talk
on them.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
There is there bad things about the bolt you want
to mention. You just don't want to talk about the
why we'll get there.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I just want to be fair. We've been very positive.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Things I don't like about the bolt?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, anything, I wish I.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Had more range? Okay, that's fair. It's a little on
the lower tre you're fifty five, even though it is LP,
I'd like maybe two seventy five.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think it's five miles of comfort there. As someone
who's driven with that about very regularly.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Good for you. I'm also not in the market verbul
that's fair even though it is alluring with that price
point of under thirty.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Thousand, I will say this, uh kind of takes the
cake for me from away from the Maki really well.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
The brief chat and now the LFP.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean, the bolts probably not great for car camping,
though the more I think about it, it's too short
and stubby. That's the next question. All the seats fall down? No,
I'm sure the back row does. But I looked into
it because before we bought the y we were looking
at used bolts and I was kind of was.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
The Maki easy to sleep in as well? No?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, that's much better than I mean, it's like, what
angle do you want your mattress to be on those
front seats? Yeah, the Maki hood is just too big.
I think they made that front end a little too large.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's supposed to be a Mustang. It's supposed to be coopy.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Even Jim Farley doesn't consider it a Mustang.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I think.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's like there will never be an electric Mustag.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Anyway. I can't think of anything for the bolt.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Or two issues I could think of, Okay, it's not
that energy.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Efficient the coefficient of drag slash. Have they talked about
efficiency on this thing? No anything either.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
So I just did the math of the battery pack
that gave us in the range and three point nine
miles per kilo what hour, it's pretty efficient.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
It's not horrible, But I.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Just think for the size, it's not a big vehicle,
and usually at that lower price point you would want
lower charging costs. So I don't know if there's much
that can be done with that traditional bolt hatch shape.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
That's probably just kind.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Of inherently not that arrow. I think if you want
more raw, you go for an Equinox.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, you gotta stretch it out.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, get that tear drop goal, because that's what the
next step up is.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, the Equinox probably is more.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Want at more range and a little bit more efficiency,
you go for the Equinox. You want a little bit
more capability, you want something a little bit different, you
go for the Blazer.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I guess I don't know the market for the Blazer.
The Equinox looks great. I've never checked one out. I've
talked to people who bought them, but.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I'm kind of itchy on the design for both of those. Honestly,
I have either three of them. The Bolt probably takes
the KKE for me. I just as an LFP fan,
I have to vote both, so that's fine. I have
to take and just I.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Feel like that's where GM shines.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I feel like they have such a huge supply chain
that they can technically make anything they want. Yeah, like
the F one or whatever edition of the Chevy that
they're teasing.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
U huh.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Or they can do so high end.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I feel like all the general reviews that I've watched
of the Silverado truck is like, yeah, you know, it's
great range, it's great specs, but you get in it
and it's still.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Like a clastic Yeah, class like that Chevy has that kind.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Of hollow, cheap interior feel, but I think you don't
care about that when it's genuinely a cheap car.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's like that's where that belongs.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
That GM Chevy esque interior works when under thirty K
Chevy used to mean luxury, really, I believe. So my
family had a trail Blazer and I grew up in
that thing. I don't know, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
My illustrious family had a super I fancy you love
the earth. No, I think it stays in the city
all the time. What kind of loving the earth is
that doing?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
So okay, so you didn't like the efficiency wasn't great.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's not bad.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's just a little low relative to other vehicles and
its price point.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
And yeah, the look I don't love. Really it's fine.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's very blazer mixed with bolt. Like the bullet looks
like a a bult. That's it. If it looks like
a bolt, it's like called a bolt. That's better than
it has design language, I guess. But yeah, no, I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Sure there's a bunch of stuff that I'll probably develop
when I actually check one out, Like it could have
a horrible sound system.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
It's probably up there in terms of the things I
want to look at.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, oh for sure, me too, especially knowing it's LFP,
because that's actually one like un in. One of the
few perks of the tax credit going away is LFP
can now come back and without much penalty. I remember
when the tax credit started, it was like everything else
gets seventy five hundred off unless it's LFP.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
You got to pay full price. And it's like, that's
what I had to do. Yeah, the tax credit wasn't
a thing. When I got my wife. It went away.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I know, it comes and goes.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
It'll probably come back again someday. But that's about it though. Okay,
great door handles, very it's very traditional.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Just reaching. I think the front one has the sensor thing,
so if you want to approach it in the open
it wherever it has that.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I want to check it out. Yeah, it's up there,
definitely up there.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
And like if our battery pack went out out of warranty,
this would be a top contender at price points.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Superintendent, Well, you've car camped in the three, right, Yeah,
but the three is pretty long.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
So that's my point is that the three serves as
your car camper, and then the bolt serves as the
in the city thing. Yeah, that might work. I didn't
even call it. It's the city thing. I like that.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I knocked over a trash can anyways, not even trash.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
It will be.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Anyway. Yeah, that's all how I feel about the bolt.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
The bolt has had enough talk at this point, fair enough,
all right, Well that's what else happened this week. So
I think what's funny is there's such a dichotomy between
these two events is the Chevy one was so low key. Yeah,
came out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I didn't hype it up with teaser images.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I couldn't find it on anything. Yeah could It's just like, oh,
here's what we speculate for the bolterever. Meanwhile, for like,
was it like maybe a week or less than a week?
Tesla's like, here's a spinning like rim wherever it's well

(36:36):
I think you said this, Yeah, I'm like, is that
the HVAC or the new model wide?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
The sound, especially the genuinely there was genuinely It's probably
in your messages if you pull it up. There was
a bunch of people convinced this was the roadster demo,
like just hard, like, I'm absolutely certain this is.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Let's see if your speakers are on played in the preview.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
So does that that teaser image prepare you for non
weather proof frunk.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
When you see it.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I don't know why you would want to hype this
up at all, To be honest, from a marketing standpoint,
this is the kind of refresh you want to kind
of throw under the rug.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
What are we looking at here? Something from an old Toyota.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Rights just packed into the backs on the back seat
of the middle Am I too.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Critical on that?

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I mean it functions right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I think my problem. So here's how I some my whole.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
That should be the thumbnail. It's just the couple there's
in the middle of the giant.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
It's theater, is what it is. It drinks all the
way into the back of the vehicle. Little Timmy puts, Yeah,
and there's an ice mess back there too. That weather
proof either because it's carpet everything.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
This model it's great.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah. I think to sum up my thoughts initially about
this is like there's so many new things that are
meant to be cheap. Yeah, that I just wonder why
didn't you just not include that in the first place,
or why didn't you just include it? But like, I
don't know, it seems like there's so many things that
they took away that actually resembles my car at this point,

(38:41):
the model Y from twenty twenty. Yeah, oh it doesn't
have cool seats. Yeah, I know that. I've lived that.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah. Or was it the there's no Hepa filter, no
Hepa filter, Yeah, same, I've already forgotten because it's so unnotable.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
My like Tesla's selling that used Oh that the back seats.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Don't actuate by a motor or whatever. But they even
got rid of the little switches on the side of
the front seats. Now you have to do it through
the screen.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Oh yeah, I'm talking about there's that.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, you're talking about all the way in the back
in the trunk area. Yeah, there's toggles you have that.
They all had that until now.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
This is the first time that you can't pull down
the second.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Rope from the trunk.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
You have to pull a lever somewhere.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, there's a little u it's not even a lever,
it's yeah tab like a cyber truck back seat. There's
actually a bizarre amount of cyber truck features in this
in the new model line in general. Yeah, the center
console being all open, Oh yeah, I'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Actually, again, I could go either way. If you want
to have it be an open space, great, If you
want to make it a nice little hideaway place, that's
great as well. My wife puts a whole bunch of
stuff in there. Oh yeah, it's crammed in there. She
hasn't looked in there, neither of I my wife. I
showed her the cheap one trade center console. It's all open,

(40:08):
and she was like, oh, that's way better.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I liked that, m and I was like, okay, so
it's it's probably much easier to add a shelf for
drawers to that aftermarket than it is to remove the
included one. That's a pain in the butt to take
out if you wanted.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Maybe she should have just gone like the id Buzz
and have it removable, and then you just don't offer
it on the standard and you have to buy it extra.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Look at that, Mike's recommending the Buzz.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
No, I'm not. I'm recommending a feature from the Buzz. Okay,
that is One feature that I think is cool in
the Buzz is that it's got a center consolation far
back and or removed. That's awesome. I think that's great.
The rest of the vehicle we can talk about that later.
Let's focus on this abomination.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
So did you see that the steering column is now manual.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
It's the first man steering column, which means it doesn't
have drive modes or steering modes. I guess steering feel.
You can't alter the steering feel. Is that dynamic versus
sporty or sorry? Sporty versus so.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Like, how it how the power steering feels, Yes, that's
directly it's from the motor.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, it's from the motor. So because the steering actuation
is motorized, you can also then dampen slash undamped.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Really, Oh yeah, I didn't realize that, so it doesn't
two separate things.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
But no, it's I guess you do.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
It's the slowest TESTLA ever made, so you probably don't
need tell me.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
About it, is it?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Though?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
It wasn't there. That's pretty slow, but I feel.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Like there was one. There was a very Fdeli in China.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I think that was slower. I'm thinking about the Rei
Road Drive, the initial Rear World Drive that they offered
for a brief month back in like twenty twenty one
or twenty twenty two. I felt like that was this
is getting real deep and like I want to say,
that was six if I remember, but this one's six
point eight. Okay, so this one's close to again, but

(42:10):
I don't follow them as closely anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I watched some deep dives on this new one standard one,
and then the why not the three?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
But the y got a new.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Motor that's never been put in anything before. It's a
particularly cheap slow motor.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Did they buy it at like right Aid?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, it's a right Aid motor, that's what it is. No,
it's like a Tesla designed motor, but it's uh. For
some reason, they didn't put it in the Standard three,
which is also which.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Is also another thing. Yeah, they go by the way differ.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, there was like I didn't watch the event, well
not not for the public.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
There was like a embargoed invite only event where they
brought a bunch of YouTubers and the reviews.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Are I watched one guy review and he was like,
it's a hundred degrees out here in Texas, mon.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
They tried to It's such an awkward balance watching the
reviews because you can tell that they all are pretty
annoyed by a lot of it, but they're under embargo
and they want to be continuously invited to more events,
specifically the Roadster event, which they know is probably going

(43:28):
to be like the most viewed if it ever happens. Yeah,
when it happens in fifty years when but like they
want to be on the nice list.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Oh yeah, at the end of the year that I
watched the guys like, tell me if you like it
or love it.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's like, no, it's carefully. They're like, there's a lot
of differences. They were like, oh, they took this out.
That's different. That's interesting how they remove and they all
are choosing their words so carefully that it's clearly just ad.
It's not like a direct AD. I don't think Tesla's

(44:04):
paying these people. That would be a different level of sponsorship.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
But one I watched he can't even drive it yet.
He can't release the driving footage of it right, which
I'm confused why they like starting to become more legacy
auto of no, we don't want to do that yet,
we need to.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
The bigger the company gets, usually the more it used
to be, put the button, the seat and go and
then if you want to record something, sure. So I
figured out, like anything with a big brand or any brand, really,
if if someone in the conference room says, wait a minute,
we shouldn't let them say that because that might make

(44:46):
us look bad, it's very hard to argue with that person.
It's because they they feel like they contributed and I
protected the company. Therefore it's okay, like let for us
to go forward with that. Because someone here was unhappy,
and we shouldn't do anything unless everyone in the room

(45:07):
is happy.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
A lot of companies have seen the worst of it
because of those choices.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Right, So it becomes more controlling, and it's yeah, yeah,
it's tricky. It's that I can see how that happens
now a lot more working on both the brand side
and the reviewer side.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
It's like, you want, you want to be honest in
your review, but you also want to be invited back,
so you have to be really cautious with everything. In
the video that I watched, he even said, Oh, the
back lights on this thing kind of look BMW like.
Is that a compliment? Is that not a compliment. I
don't know which BMW is I can't tell, but they

(45:44):
look like I mean, it's no longer a light bar
on the back or the front.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I actually thought it looks pretty good.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I like the back.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Hatch of like the hatch designs. Yes, that's all. They
went back to the it's no longer some weird like
textured plate with Tesla written out or ever.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, it's a feature because people kept taking the Tesla
branding off their cars.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Now Tesla makes it almost impossible to.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Tell what the brand is because they got rid of
the logo on the front and the text on the
back is color matched.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
What brand You're safe a BMW.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
You don't have to worry anymore about getting ventialized. No
one can tell what kind of car it is, right,
good job, Franze I. Actually it's weird, and I've heard
other reviewers say the same. I think the standard Model
Y exterior looks better than the premium in the performance. Yes,

(46:48):
that was the most hesitant yes I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I only hesitate because I kind of like the performance look,
even though it's very chinny on the this yeah it's
on the bottom, and it's also got a big diffuser
on the back.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I already had the intakes and then the performances, like,
let's at another level.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
It's turning into Alexis at this point, giant Hoover vacuum.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
It has to have the like Sigma.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
This model news all the.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Look at that John line. But I just think light
bars are overdone. I'm just kind of sick of everything.
So to the Bolts credit, it doesn't have a light bar,
and the Standard Y, I just think it looks like
a Highland three and.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Our obligatory shout out to tell her that doesn't have
a light bar either.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
There you go, So this is not this week's sponsor.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Is no light bars dot org no more.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Don't look that up.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
We don't know where that goes.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Probably forwards to go daddy, but probably does.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So there's the frunk. Yes, it looks awful. It's it
looks like they patched in the fronk, like they removed
the old fronk and they're like, well, we need to
put like something in there.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
So they like sewed together a basket.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
The three D printed one with a uh no, three.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
D printed would be more weather proof. This is like cloth,
it's like a textile frunk. Now they straight up said,
like it will get damp if it's severe weather.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Or it's like they showed the so the hood is
steel now it used to be aluminum.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
They know that.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
And you know how our fronks have a little weather
seal around them. Yes, that's gone. I thought that was
just for pizza. Yeah, the pizza work. It's not a
pizza proof your pizza pizza proof. However, there's one feature
that I saw I think it was out of spec highlight.

(49:00):
It's the first frunk you can actually slam, right because wait,
why they don't have the little like spongy release anymore
so on every front since the beginning when you close it,
you don't.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Since the beginning, meaning like the Models.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah yeah, since the I don't think the Roads had one.
But like the Cyberchark just closes in on you. But
every other tesla, when you close it, it's like you
don't slam. You put your hands all over the bud, guts.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Around the tee, around the tea, and you go, you what.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
You have to do it gently And on the standard
y you can actually just and it latches at works.
And I was like, okay, that's kind of nice.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I may I have missed that. I missed it.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
A bunch of reviewers didn't bring that up.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
And when I saw it, I was like, oh, that's
actually my wife would appreciate that because she hates the
the funk because that part of the car is always filthy.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
It's full of dirt and guts and blood.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
And what you're doing your blood the buds, you know,
bloody buds, and you don't want to have to like.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Gently put it should either be powered or let me
slam it. You know, just zero or one hundred. Yeah,
is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
The cyber truck has a powered fronk. Why can't the SRX.
It's like twenty thousand dollars more.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
You want everything from the cyber truck to go into
the Model SNX at this point, Yeah, because the cyber
truck has a lot of great tech.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
It's just been a stupid package. It's like, you don't
need a vehicle that big, and you don't want all
this fingerprinting steel that cuts people and.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I can see the fingerprints from like half a mile
away visible. You know.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
The friend that took delivery of the Gravity said he
was checking out a cyber truck because what a shop.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I mean, it makes sense because the cyber truck is
pretty much at Bougie's. Same battery pack. Is it the
same battery, It's the same size, Yeah, same KILLO one hours,
and you know, kind of same price range in a way,
grab it's either you're getting a bed or a third row.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
But yeah, he was coming from a twenty one model Y.
So he knew Tesla's.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
He's familiar with Tesla's, and he checked on the truck
and he literally like turned around a corner and.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Like the steel cut him out. And then he wasn't impressed.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
He was like, the vehicle feels huge on the outside,
and then I got inside and it didn't feel that big.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
It felt like the same interior space as my why.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I think the last cyber truck I went in was
the one that you and I went in to check out.
Oh yeah, and it was broken. Someone someone destroyed the.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Oh yeah, the factory. Yeah yeah, they had destroyed that one.
But yeah, it was anyway packaging issue. Yeah, long story short,
there's a lot of cool tech in that truck that
would be a lot more interesting in a different vehicle
in my opinion. Like, I love steer by wire, I
love faster charging, I love Would you.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Forgive everything that the standard model WI is if it
had steer by wire for some unknown reason? Hmm, this
is a very question. This is a very awful hypothetic.
This Tesla would never do this.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Well, you might someday make the argument that it's cheaper
or something that, like if they got the scale high
enough with the supply chain for steer by wire and
they could delete the steering column.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
True, they got rid of the controls for the seats
and they put them in the screen. Why would they
put more technology, more physical things into the car.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Well, they'd be deleting the physical steering column in favor
of wiring, which they would probably argue there's wiring to
the steering wheel anyway, so we're just adding another wire.
Still a heated's doing will by the way, even on
the stand, I don't have that.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
We found one thing and a bumper camera, which the
three got randomly surprised.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Sorry, I was thinking the bolt also has a bumper camera,
but its awkwardly put it in there. It's just like
it's like someone cut like a whole punched into the
or riveted into the front bumper camera, where for like
the y like it's nice covert.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I thought the bolt was just so small on the
front you wouldn't even need literally just see like this.
I won't confirm anything about cameras on the tellow, but
you really do not need a bumper camera on that.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
You might we might have one, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
But you can pull up to anything and feel like
you're about to hit it, and then you get out
and it's like three feet in front of you.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Sorry, I'm just we're.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
So trained with cars that have engines in front and
or fronts. You're used to all that in front of you,
but all that junk, Hey, I know junk.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Okay, So here's a funny thing. I might actually be
more forgiving if it was steer by wire with a
dynamic turning ratio, just because I loved that so much
on the truck. But what is downright nearly unforgivable is
the lack of auto steer.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yes, because they want you to get FSD. What the
heck like, I don't have to tell you, man, this
is Tesla at this point that literally saved no money. Nope,
and you're.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
You're pushing for FSD on a demographic of people that
is even less likely than any other Tesla to care
about FSD because this is the price focused one, right.
You think people trying to get the cheapest possible Tesla
want to spend one hundred bucks a month or no,
eight grand.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
It's like, no way, that's so stringy that happened.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
They haven't done that since the off menu standard Model three.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Remember the thirty five K one you had to specifically
s you had to call in, Yeah, you had to
call in get say I want man, those.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Were early days before that was twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And no, it was during the mall I got announced
and in that summer you could get the standard range,
not plus.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
It was on the website for like two weeks.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Three.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, and they made an announcement like, see we did it,
thirty five k that's what we said it would be.
And then they removed it standard range plus call in
for the off menu.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Three. Have they hit thirty five k sins without tax
and centives?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Not without tax incentives, but with tax incentives.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
The moral of this story is the tax credit was
the time to get a Tesla.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I feel bad for people who bought a Tesla. In
between the text like us, I guess what I was
trying to say is last week we had the incentive,
it went away. The vehicle went up and priced by
seven five hundred, and then a couple of days later
it went down five thousand.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Well I think I think they brought down Standard was introduced.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
To five thousand less. Yeah, so it's a two thousand
increase in price between last week and this week.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
And the vehicles much worse.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
The vehicles much worse in every way imaginable.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, you definitely had a better deal.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
You could have got a cheaper premium long range with
more range, ventilated seats, ambient lighting, weather proof frunk. Ye,
all those advantages for less money, which is hilarious considering
the whole point of these more affordable models was to
grow deliveries.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Remember when it was arapover like a mysterious car and
they're like more affordable models coming.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Was it that like one of those gerolder like we're
the whole entire it, so we.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Had battered in we had it was the presentation where
they like, we are coming up with a new way
to assemble our cars.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, the unboxed process, which they've said this is not
technically that, of course it's not. They said it has
attributes of that. But the cyber Cab is the one
that's going to be the unboxed thing. It's supposed to
be built in Texas.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, they've started.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
There's castings for them, and I think Joe posted their
crash testing them there.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Awesome inside outside.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Uh there's a tent, so a little both. Of course
there's a tent, but yeah he grabbed a quick photo
of one that was all smashed in on the front.
But yeah, you can tell the castings are stacking up outside.
They're not why castings mm hmm, and they're not three kids.
It'd be a really cool car if they actually sold
it with a steering wheel, but they're not going to.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Why would they Standard Y and Standard three made in
Texas or here in California.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
No, I think they're made in both. I don't think
all that the event was in Texas. Of course it
is because yeah, but there's definitely been cheap.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
One spotted around Fremt, so.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I'm sure they can.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
That's probably why they're both still using twenty one seventies,
which another missed opportunity.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Maybe forty six eighties weren't as cheap as I thought.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I didn't dive too much into the specs either, Okay,
Like I can't answer is the range is? Is it
better or worse than the bolt? I would argue.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
It's on par No, it's three twenty one epa estimated.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Okay, that was the teas from before. It's an NMC
patch that brings it back down. So I'm like the
daily eighty most of.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
The time means around two fifty five, and then NMC
degrades faster, doesn't charge as well.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
The Standard three and Why have a lower peak speed,
so two twenty five is the peak they'll hit.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
They won't hit two fifty.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Not that it is a big difference, but true, I
need twenty more to most of these cars hit two
fifty for like five seconds. It's just it's not that So,
you know, if you're just EV, I don't know, if
you're a car reviewer or a journalist, you would say
three twenty that's better than two fifty. But if you're

(59:31):
a like guy who lives with EVS and road trips
with him.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I would save it.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
A guy who has an LFP Model three, Yes, NMC Model.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Y, yes, I would say that they're about the same
in terms of range and charging noncapacity, but internal capacity.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Actually they are pretty close in killowe hours.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Okay, sorry, so talking about volume to put stuff into
the car.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Yes, they took the long range pack and just removed cells.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, so it's less but still gets three twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Yeah, so the long range still gets you know, three
sixty versus three twenty. But there's some cheating in that
because the Standard Why now has the eighteen inch wheels right,
which gets them more range, which they don't offer the
eighteen inch wheels on the long range.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Why.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
So, technically someone needs to bite the bullet and put
the eighteen inch rims on the long range why and
see how much more range it could get.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
It might be like three sixty three seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I'm one to bite the bullet.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
That's what I want Originally, Well, I'm talking about the
refreshed why.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I forgot the rims. They're not the three arrow
rims right. No, for some reason, they have.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Two separate cyber trucky They are very cyber trucky.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, it's just that like octagonal thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
But if you expect for the nineteen inch wheels, which
is what you're getting, the range goes down to three
h three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Right, because you're going up in tire size. Yeah, so
it's less size, so more friction.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
On the positive side, that means that the standard model
eye is the most efficient model eye to ever exist.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Should be like, oh, these are the cruss flows.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Okay, yes, on the standard you have to pay extra
to get the wheels that are free on the premium,
which means the price gap is so what's the point
in this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
That's so, Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Biggest problem that everybody's in agreement on is just they
I don't know, do you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Think no, no thoughts? All right? Head empty, could move
on if you want, But I mean, what do I think?

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
My hope is do you think they are just charging?
They're asking for more to see if they can get
away with it. Yep, and then once they run out
of orders, then they'll lower it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
It's going to turn into the cyber truck.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Well, that's what I'm worried about, is the cyber truck
didn't lower prices. They just introduced the terrible rereal drive.
No one bought it, so they got rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
So and they still have cyber trucks on the lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Well yeah, I can't sell any of them now. But
I just think the question is do you think they
will just discontinue it or do you think they will
lower the price and see if they can, like is
their margin to work with there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I think they just discontinue it. You think they'll do
the cyber truck thing?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Wow, I think they just get rid of it. That's
such a waste. That's the tradition, right, That's what we
saw at the three. They just continued the standard range
and the standar range. Plus and ILFP one. Well, at
least with the three and the Y.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I felt like there was times in prior years where
the price changed, like for a couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Days based on demand.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Like yeah, one month we would report, oh they took
three k off. Now they're three grand cheaper, and then
the next month is like, oh, now it's five grand more.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
And you know it would jump around a bit based
on the stock market.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah, it was like that. There's no dealer, so the
haggling is built in. Tesla does all the price haggling
for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I just feel like all that work to go into
re engineering the headliner and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah, it's got a glass roof, but you can't look.
I mean for those that didn't like the direct sunlight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I know a lot of people that are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
We both have what's it called sun visors, yeah or sunshades.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Sunshades yeah, yeah, a lot of people I think would
prefer the wise approach.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Well, the three standard still has a glass room.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
They changed almost nothing but the three there's so much
that's the same with the premium version.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
It has new rims, which is the rims that we
saw on the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Yeah, that's the rim Still a three twenty mile range.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
What changed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
It's the same center console, it's the same headlights. There's
no change there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
They just made a cheaper version of it, or no,
they just lowered the price of the premium one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I feel like it would have been easy to get
software locked the pack rather than re engineer a whole
pack without as many cells. It's they're so similar. But yeah,
it still has a powered lift Kate. They gained a
bumper camera, so it's almost more complicated to make.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
By the three sell the why the three?

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Honestly, all the trims of the three are unbeatable.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Oh I love the Performance three. Yeah, it's definitely one.
I'm like, if I had unlimited money, okay, I probably
get well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I just feel like it's the tesla with the least competition. Yeah,
I feel like I wouldn't go for an esser in
X these days. I would rather go for a lucid
price point, and I'd probably rather have a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Rivian or something over a cyber truck unless you want
to change out the battery the twelve So now I
heard of that the twelve volts because there's more than one,
which takes that much time to replace. Eight hundred bucks right,
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Oh, that's terrible, poor Jerry rig.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Everything is fancy, fancy pickup trucks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Oh, Ben, first, well, I just fixed that on the
Gen two Rivians. I hope that's just a launch edition problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
That's annoying though.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
How much mind costs in my ram oh sixteen? Oh no,
I don't think we've changed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I think it's gone bad yet. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I So on the higher end of the market, I
feel like Tesla's pretty weak, yes, but and on the
lower end of the market they're pretty weak.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
No, They're a great middle step.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Yeah, it's like the midier, the long range model y,
it is very hard to beat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
That's a great option.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
And the performance and the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Performance three in a long range three to all the
three is really there's just not really anything that can
rival it. I mean, the Ionic six is pretty good,
but then you've got the hyundaikiya software drama, and the
route planning isn't as good, and the trunk isn't as big,
and the sound system is not as good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
So there's all these like unless you get the end,
then you get pumped in noise.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
So there's like other options I would go if my
goal was to be superfordable, I would go bold Yep.
If you've got a ton of money, I'd go Lucid
or Rivian Gravity or yeah, r on S or There's
great options that you know from other automakers in that
higher price point. But even even with crossover, even with

(01:06:59):
the y there's decent alternatives now with the Cadillacs and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
With the R two's coming around.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
R Two's coming, but no one's really coming for the
Model three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I feel like only that one six Yeah, and I
feel like there's another I can't remember Pollstar pull Star two.
I think there's news that might be coming.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Back, but it's nowhere near. We're not even I'm not
in the same planet. Yeah, I love the three. It's
hard to beat that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Model three.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Yeah, sorry, like the pole Star three is a different
story for me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yeah, I don't really like the finger guillotines.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
That's weird, isn't it. Yeah, all those intakes, but uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It's a very lackluster event that wasn't even event.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
It didn't deserve to be hyped up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
In my opinion. No, I think it should have just
been a sight. I think if it was a site
refresh with like some cool infographics. I kind of like
what they did with they did a refresh, or not
even a refresh. It was like a one of those
continuous updates that they did in the past before the

(01:08:10):
big Juniper refresh or whatever. And I remember those nice
surprising moments of like here's a new rim or ye,
we've now added this to it. It's like, oh, the
why will never be the same on the interior, but
like it was a big deal of like, oh, Tesla
just quietly dropped this, like it's usually. I think a

(01:08:31):
good equivalent is there's a game called Hi Fi Rush
that came out a while back, and that was a
very fantastic like shadow drop of a kay of like
no one knew this was coming really and then suddenly
like here's this really cool like beat based game and
it's available today. Wow. And like I think Tesla Shive

(01:08:54):
just taking a page at their own book with the
standards why and three they shadow drop it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yeah, these weren't models to be very proud of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Interesting, is it? Like my takeaway? I guess as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
My only hope is that you know, they didn't do
a hype up for the real Drive Cyberg truck, right,
Like we just woke up one day and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
It was there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
That's what they should do these So my hope is
the fact that they hyped it up and did an
embargoed review and had all these YouTubers come out is
because they feel like also keep in mind, like they
hyped those up for over a year on the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Earnings calls the more affordable models are coming, Yeah, everyone's
asking this. I knew immediately it's just going to be
a cheap Model three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
And why there were so many people convinced they were
going to be a whole different model, like it was
going to be a smaller Y or a Model two
whatever cyber call think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
There were? Who was the Model two?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Is like the Model q Q. Yeah, it was like
Tesla's bolt basically looked like a little happening would have
been cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
But no, it's not definitely not now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I mean, that's not how it Tessel operates.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
There's still a lot of people online I'm talking to
that are convinced they will eventually sell a cybercab with
a steering wheel and pedals, But I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
They seem pretty audam it's it's gonna happen. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
I am fully convinced that is not their plan. I'm
not fully convinced they will never come to that conclusion.
I don't think they want to sell the cybercab with
steering wheel and pedals. But I think if the Robotaxi
roll out and regulatory approval takes too long and way
longer than they expected, which is very likely in my opinion,

(01:10:46):
everything involving Robotaxi has been way harder, way longer than
they planned, that's that's gonna be like a reason for
them to be like, well, we spend all this money
on the castings, and we've got an assembly line going
for the cab. Let's just start selling them and then

(01:11:07):
it'll be a really basic, you know, steer by wire
steering wheel that you can easily pop out when you're
ready to turn it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Into a taxi. And they'll probably charge way too much,
but I get steer by way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
There you go, tempty deal hits the button, I'll take
it over the bolt, I'll take it. Yeah, genuinely, like, well,
that miles per kill a lot of efficiency. I'm sure
it's that point. Impress a hatchbag on the cab. He
doesn't like this idea, but no.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
My only hope is that all of the hype around
these models is because Tesla knows that these things are
sticking around and the price point that we're annoyed with
is temporary, and these are unofficial.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Launch editions of the They.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
They should be called depreciation editions because it's just a
way to show everyone that you overpaid.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
But that's that's My one glimmer of hope is that
no one will order them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
And then when they're trying to do an end of
quarter push, like in December, they'll.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Come down to like thirty five or something too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Tel's credit. They are cheaper than the ones last week
when you don't put in the fact that the tax incentive, yeah,
is deducted later in the year. Slash the next tax
here or whatever. Right, so you don't know there's point
of sale it was a point of sale tax credit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
For over a year, I didn't know this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Yeah, and there was no.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I had an argument with gregor Chuk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
He's still a thing. He's great. I love him, but
I just had to make sure he understood how it was.
Does he still have the same profile of the kid going, yeah,
we were talking about this on Twitter, and I respect him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I have no ill will thank you for being willing
to have an argument and not end in blocking me
because some oh yeah, pretty big YouTuber blocked me. I
won't say who, because I don't want to start thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Come on, Jerry Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
We just had a disagreement in some battery thing and
we weren't like being rude. I wasn't name calling.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
I just know I think you're wrong. I only name
call people in person. Online I'm always just like, no,
I think you're wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
And here's why.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And occasionally people will be like annoyed when I explain
why they're wrong. Blocked a couple of times on this,
but Gregor Truk thankfully didn't block me. We just disagreed
on how the tax credit worked, which I was pretty
confident about that. He said, no, the seventy five hundred
only counted the following tax calendar year and only.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
If you had that much in tax liability.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
And I was like, I literally helped several people take
delivery of their cars this year, and that's physically, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Not aligning with reality.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
It was like there were people who had no income
that took advantage of the full seventy five hundred dollars credit.
They have nowhere near a seventy five hundred tax liability,
but they got the deduction, so that out the door
price was lower.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Ok.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
So yes, from the consumer level, these cars are still
more expensive than the ones, but yes, on Tesla's end,
the price is lower.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
It's five thousand dollars cheaper for the standard two thousand
dollars more than it was last week. Yeah, so the
more affordable.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Models are not more affordable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Are not more affordable than they were last week from
Tesla's endordable, But I would argue the price from Tesla's
end is not that important, is it though? Because now
they are having to invest in additional things that they
weren't building before. See that's yeah, that's the part that
gives me hope that because now they're they're establishing that

(01:15:06):
line in that supply chain, but they didn't have that before, right,
so these first ones, Yeah, I agree with you, the
price more than likely reflects what they have to build
in for margin so that way they can gain a
profit off of them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I don't even believe it's a have to. I believe
it's a they're playing it's safe.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
They're like, can we get away with this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Let's see maybe people will be okay with that, They'll
forget about the tax credit and be comfortable paying. They're
just seeing if they can get away with it. It's
just a game they're playing with us. They're just like,
if we can sell it for this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
But I don't think it's like a make or break thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
They could. You can't get lazy when you have to
play lean. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
I just all the work that went into those seats
and the new roof and the new materials on the
sides and everything, and the new wheels and different suspension
and different front I'm just like, I really hope this
isn't a repeat where five months later they just end
up scrapping it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
That would feel like a complete waste.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
It's not gonna be five months st it's gonna be
five weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Well, I just say, everybody holds hold the line, you know, Hoddle.
I'm not saying they'd never be worth it. I think
there's a reasonable price given the lack of features. If
it was a ten grand gap, I think that would
be fair. I don't know, how do you what price point.
Do you think these compromises are worth considering.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I'm not buying them, so I'm not interested in another model.
Why at this point? Or mall three?

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
So thirty k you'd still be like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah, thirty k is actually pretty good in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yeah, that would be a that's bolt level.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Yeah, drop it by six, drop it by a tax
credit or another five thousand dollars. It's okay. Maybe now
you're knocking on the door for you, but I understand.
But I'd say for others, that is a more affordable
you see it. You're the media guy for Tello, that's like,
this truck should be, right, fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
These people who never.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Have bought a truck in the last ten years telling
you what it should cost.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Right. But if you're a company saying here's more affordable
models and they cost like thirty six to forty thousand
dollars or.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Whatever, yeah, I thought they were going to be more
affordable than No, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Still above the average or the threshold that people who
think affordable is in terms of a baseline, right, because.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
They had the tax credit when they announced more affordable
models were coming. Yeah, so we had the impression in
our mind that they were going to be cheaper than
what had been sold.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
They were waiting for the two hundred million dollars donation
to finally kick it right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Yeah, so safe to say, pretty big disappointment. Hopefully they can,
of course correct and a couple of months that would
be nice. But there's a lot of brain damage.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
There wasn't a lot of positivity from what I could
see in the unveiling. Besides, it's got features that you
already have. They kept something. Wow, Yes it is still
here where the bolt was more of a celebration of
its back. It's got some new stuff and it's got

(01:18:38):
a decent price for what you're paying or for what
you're getting.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Yeah, so there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Yeah, there's a lot more checking of You get a
lot more cool stuff that actually is worth it versus
we stripped everything down and it still costs a bunch
where I think. So we covered the good and the
bad with this, because I think we've been running for
it's been hours.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
What's left I forgot the pv okay is that the thing?

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
So there's the good, the bad, the ugly. This is
kind of is ugly in my opinion, is that right,
So the people the PV five is what I'm talking about. Okay,
I did see this, yeah, in which I kind of
want to surprise with it because it does look cool.
It's just the interior is very stark. If they don't

(01:19:31):
have a photo in this article, of course, what do
you mean by stark? It is very much like they
talked with d H L. And I don't know. I
don't think you Hall was part.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Of what do you need?

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Like what are the essentials?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It's very much what are the essentials? What do you
in a delivery vehicle? And I still can't find an
image of the interior. But that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
He has been.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Crushing it, so they have been crushing it, I think.
So okay, I guess I found it much of the
interior now, so it's very straight up and stark and
all that. It's a minivan, so it is a good
way to put it is it is a ID buzz
or four to E transit competitor. But it's not. I

(01:20:16):
don't think it's coming to the States. I think it's
staying in Europe slash Korea, slash anywhere else but the
United States. Because it's here's the reason why the review
that I watched, it costs ten thousand dollars less for
each trim when you compare it to the same trim
of an idy Buzz. So what you get with an

(01:20:37):
I Buzz you can get with a KYAPV five for
ten k cheaper. Granted, this is an overseas thing. I
haven't put in too much research into it besides watching
a video and then reading a couple of articles. Yes,
and this one seems interesting. And this is the kickers

(01:20:58):
that for the cargo. So this is supposed to be
the new platform that they're going to build everything else on.
So it's not the eg m P platform, it's not. No,
it's the PV platform. Oh gotcha. That's cool to confuse
even more because it's called the PV five. It is
weird naming schemes. They're supposed to PV seven and PV

(01:21:20):
nine I think. But the eg MP has paid off.
Oh yeah, it's not everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
That's just like a lot of companies talk about platforms
and then never go anywhere with them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
But Kia and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Hyundai have really built that right, that platform.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
So this one's supposed to be even more modular than
the e g M P platform where this one, the
PV five is supposed to come in all shapes and sizes,
so it could be a cargo van which comes with
a LFP pack. Nice. It gets I think an efficiency
of four miles per kilo what hour? I think, So
it's not that's weird. It's very boxable. It gets unreal.

(01:21:56):
I think it's four miles per kilo hours four kilometers.
It's four. That's probably more believable. I'd have to recheck
that information again. Just that way, I'm not spreading misinformation
for funds. Say's four hundred kilometers out of seventy one
till what hours? Okay, that's a lot of conversion, don't

(01:22:19):
I have my all seven goes into five, so that
doesn't make sense. Seven times five is thirty five, so
seven times six that's forty two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
So that's about not a huge battery. But it's six
point whatever about seventy one. That's five point six kilometers
per kill whatever. That's pretty good I think for a
boxy van. Yeah, no, it doesn't look that air.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
But it can be a cargo van, it could be
a pickup, it can be uh whatever you want, you
can put in. Uh, here's the real cool thing is
that it runs Android Auto, but it runs Android Auto
or an Android based system. So that way, if you
want to put like a a refrigerator in the back,

(01:23:04):
you can do that and you can control it from
the center screen. You know, if you all the way
back there and change the temperature, you just do it
from the screen and you just have to install some
plug ins. Wow, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
I wish they would bring this me too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Very interested, it's very much. It exudes kind of like
that Tello look and also ethos of do more with less. Yeah,
I liked it. And of course was it the the
cargo van gets like the least range because it's not
meant to be a range hauling thing, but the non

(01:23:38):
cargo van variant, the private or non commercial variant for
everyday people, it's supposed to get. I think was it
like three hundred to four three hundred miles? I think
as well was three twenty? Why am I think of
three twenty one right now?

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
The standard?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Right, it's supposed to be somewhere in the three two
to three range. I believe that's great. And for the LP,
I think it was like two thirty to forty. I
love it, which is kind of on the same range
as the bolt, which I thought was I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Sad we won't get it here, but no, that's a
great uh packaging. I was just looking at all the
different seat layouts you can do and that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
It's also that it's slightly on the plastic ear side
on the interior, but that's just because it's meant to
be for more affordable, also meant to be for those
delivery situations where things are moving around, boxes are slamming
into stuff and destroying leather easily.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
No, it doesn't need to be it all.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Yeah. It also has different locations for handles, so you
can have like you know, when you get into a
car and you can pull down the handle kind of
above the door trim. They have a spot for that.
But on the driver's side they have also a mounting
point for kind of like a truck where like you
want to get in, you kind of reach not up

(01:24:57):
you're the headliner, but forward towards like the steering wheel
to get it. So they've got different mounting systems for it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Smart.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
The front seats are all the seats can pretty much
be taken out as well easily, so you can make
it pretty modular, so that's I just thought it was
an exciting product. I remember they teased it and or
showed off a prototype I think last year of the
year before at.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
The Vegas Yeah, think I do remember that people they
had all these different models and mock ups.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Well they had like an off road version of it.
Shut up and like, look what all the things we
can do with this?

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
And I think I remember seeing it in the Tello's
discord was where people were bringing it up. It's kind
of familiar, like that design.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Right then, So finally was it. They're coming out with it,
and I looked at them or watched the video of
it forget by who. But he did a great job
covering it. He was only covering in Korea, right, but
it was impressive in my opinion, And I really hope

(01:26:04):
that the American marketer, specifically Ford, takes note of it
because it is their competitor overseas. It's not like, oh,
it's an overseas competitor like they're E trains.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
It is there, yeah, and so they I had no
idea until I went there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Well, here's the thing we talked about in the last podcast,
I think is saying it would have been nice if
the Bronco Sport was an EV and they didn't make
it V and I was upset about it. I think
they heard me because not for America only, I think
in China or overseas there now, Yeah, I believe it

(01:26:44):
is China. Right. Uh, they're making a e V and
then hybrid or was it a serial hybrid version of
it of the Broncos Sport. It's slightly different looking, but honestly,
it kind of looked like a Ford Flex and some of.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
The images do you remember that toaster looking? Oh, yeah,
there was I remember it from Daddy's Home, the movie
with Will Ferrell.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Watch that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
You should watch it because Ford sponsored. They literally have
a line in it where Will Ferrell says, I love
my Ford Flex. It's still a good movie. But I
thought that line was kind of cringey. But now every
time I see a Ford Flex, I think of Buddy
the Elf. But anyway, it's kind of boxing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
So I like sliding doors. Yeah, sliding doors are underrated, underappreciated.
So I'm glad to see other companies making more modular
vans and I could see a ton of people putting
those things to work and use them for camping.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
And can you even see it in the image right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
So they're they're listening. We're on in the background, like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
You don't crash your car actively watching everything we do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
It's fine, they can this is our editing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
This this is your editing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Will need a bigger iPad so they can see better.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
But I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I like the interior. I like it looks clean.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
You went through the photos.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Yeah, well again, I think I read about it all
the time, and I also often think in a lot
of reviews people just love to not think about good
software and just think Tesla doesn't have anything physical they do.
You've got to go through menus and I'm like, have

(01:28:38):
you used one of these things? Because you can get
quite a lot pretty quickly on those screens once you
get comfortable with them. And there's still scroll wheels, and
they can do quite a bit asin cruise control. You
can a just fan speed, you can open the glove box,
you're gon adjust the volume, and you've still got stocks.
Sometimes and it's not a new one, you get a

(01:28:59):
blinker stuff they added it back three Oh, how.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Great something that they took away is now back. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Well, they always said if you're not deleting. If you're
not putting things back, you're not deleting enough. So I
say put back the seat controls on the side, because
that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Those don't sit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Those don't cost that much, especially because the seat is
still motorized.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
For the driver.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
I think you could probably get away with it because
the profiles, well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
They did the same thing pretty much. They did one
step further with this, but before they got rid of
the lumbar support on the passenger side, and now it's
just know how nice we had it control.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Now there's no controls.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
But to counter your point on the whole screen thing
is that this morning, for some reason, Spotify in my
car did not want to connect Intel and what they
have to do there was probably the Wi Fi.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Actually, I've discovered when the car is like loosely connected
to the home Wi Fi and then you try to
play music, it'll like barely play it, and then you
disconnect from the Wi Fi and it just crashes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Never So this is an issue that I've not had. Okay,
so for some reason, when I was driving out of
my house okay far away from my launching it, whoops, right,
you're going as fast as you wasn't playing music, and
so then I just had to restart the car because
it literally says on the screen, do not use your

(01:30:31):
phone to scan this QR code. It said that, Yeah,
well there's a QR code saying like here you can
log in with this, but if you're driving, don't use
do not use your phone like if you scan it,
they like, I don't lock your out. Well I'm a
safe driver these days, a lot more than I. What

(01:30:53):
do you want for me? So anyways, I just restarted
the system. But then the air conditioning I forgot to adjust.
So I'm just freezing in my car in the cold morning,
and I can't adjust anything because there's no physical buttons
in the screens resetting fair. So that's where I'm I'm
very much opposed to the whole Just get rid of

(01:31:13):
every physical control like the bolt or the PV five
still retain climate control buttons and dials. But what's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
I think it's worth it, and I think this is
to push back on your point, Tesla's very easy to
make fun of. Yeah, I agree, I'd love to make
fun of them. It's kind of punching up now because
they're the big, big block you know, they're the big
brand now, so it's like, you can be as hard
as you want on Tesla and they'll be okay. I

(01:31:42):
don't feel the same way about all companies. There's some
startups that I'm like, hey, come on, like Limited Resources,
it's like they're going through a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Lordstown is still trying to figure their stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Right, So Milton's got a new company now, it's great.
Yeah he's into planes now, electric planes. Yeah, they're gonna
they're gonna glide.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Down, They're gonna be askew one right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
But to push back, no one ever brings up the
button thing with Rivian.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
You notice that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
It's always Tesla, even though they almost do the exact
same thing. It's all on the screen on the Rivian'
I don't drive a van. I can't difference. Everyone's like
a Tesla got rid of all the buttons. That's annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
But then everyone's like.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Boy, I love Rivian's perfect, and I'm like, I agree,
I'm okay with I think if your software is good
enough and intuitive enough, you don't need that many buttons.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
And I also think they're not as digitally dependent as
people make them out to be. Those you can get
a lot done with those scroll wheels. Then you then
people think like you can pause and play music, and
you can do voice commands, you can navigate the place.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
You use voice commands recently, No, but I know you can.
Can you up or turn up and turn on the
volume where you have any music going on because you're
having to reset the screen at the time, No answers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
I don't reset that often. I feel like that's how
you think.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Just wait a couple of years. I just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
I'm okay being more software emphasis, but I can admit
I am weird in that way, and most.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
People are probably not as weird as This.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Is also coming from the guy who had a lot
of Android phones for a while, that's true. Meanwhile, you've
been nothing but that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
I've never used an Android's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
But I'm pretty sure was it a couple of weeks ago,
or a month ago or a couple months ago you
had a fold?

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
That's true. I just don't adjust h fact that much.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
I feel like it's you set it to auto and
then I I'm pretty cool before I get in the car,
and then I don't think about it, like I'm not
these people that are like I need to move the
van flow around my neck and now I need it
to do I don't do that, sorry, but it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Like I typically find I need to change the h
back when the screen is resetting.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
It's like I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
It's like I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
It's with the standard white. It has the manual events.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
In the back but not in the front. But I
saw that on the site.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Because you can't shut off the in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
You can you can't. Oh yeah, no, you can't, of course,
because that's a feature for the rest of them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
So if you have cold air blowing in the back seat, driver, driver,
could you turn that down?

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
The driver can be like no and just freeze you
back there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
It's kind of like the seat concept, you know, you
can turn on the heated seat for the back seat
and they can't stop you. Sorry, just like it reminds
me of one star Uber drivers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Even in like this old was it avalon or camera
that my buddy's grandpa had, they still had a button
back there to turn on and off heated seats. That's
what the Trailblazer head in which I would do that
with my buddy sitting next to me without him noticing
that his butt would get warm, but at least he
gets off. We're in the he just roast people.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Thankfully you can't on the new standard models because there's
no heating in the back seat.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Is that so in the past they just turned it
off and you can't turn it back on from like
a software upgrade sort of thing. Oh and this, I'm
assuming they actually took the coils.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
I'm pretty sureys, because.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
They've already changed the seats up so much to where
there's a eating cup holder.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Now, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
It doesn't sound like it's a software upgradeable. I mean,
it's an entirely different seat from the premium Anyway, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Like the design, So going back to I'm going to
hop back, I do like it. No, not that Yes,
I'm not hopping that far back. The PV five is great.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
It's not ugly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Look at it. It looks cool.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
It's just misunderstood.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
I think it looks cool. I liked it front design.
It's not a light.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
I was gonna give kudos to Tesla on the HVAC
design things for the passengers. Yeah, that's it I was
gonna do. But now that you want to talk about
the PV five again, I think It comes in orange
and blu on the Interiorsmic orange. Yes, I can't really

(01:36:35):
hold the phone down there. I don't know. It looks great.
They did a good job anyways, the good, the bad,
the TV.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
There you go, five, the PV five.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Well done, Tesla, lower your prices, Bolt, sell profitably doing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
What you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
Doing what you're doing, that's great. Move the charge for it, babe,
and uh bring this to the States. Yeah, bring that
to America. There's your recommendations.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Thanks all. Since ke is listening, I'm sure all right.
Have a good day. Bye.