Ep. 206 - Tired Of Tesla

Join Drew, Mike, and Randy as they discuss the new bolt, used EV prices, and Tesla tire issues

Published: 10-30-2025, Recorded: 10-27-2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Tailors EV podcast and gentlemen, once
again three wheels making up Terra It. We're still not out,
but this is if they're listening, it means we're out.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
So yes, I'm gay.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well I think I didn't. I didn't realize this, said
Solar on the back.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
That was news to me anyway.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Piping hot tea by the way, yeah, be careful. YI.
So hi Randy, we haven't had you on here in
a while. You know, it seemed a guest for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I feel so honored. It's like like coming back home
after a deployment and everything is you know, imagine you
go to your house, all right, No, I can't imagine.
Imagine you go into a home and everything that you
have is exactly the same, but it's not the It's

(01:07):
not the exact same item. It's exactly the same though
you switch out your AirPods for a different pair of
AirPods of the exact same generation. That's what this feels like.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
It's a new product that you bought or something.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Are you the new version?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
So do we talk? Do we talk about the state
of EV that Okay, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I don't want to like a state of charge.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I don't want to re re rehash anything that was
already covered over the last other episodes, bringing things up
to speed. Bringing up to speed here, what would you
say the state of ev period in Trump's America version

(01:58):
two two dot H. Is this podcast going to die? No?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I think we did a podcast with all three of us,
and then even the podcast that me and Drew did
just to try to get some semblance of a schedule
for ourselves going and then roping you in. No. I
think the evy.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Itself as a topic is still alive. It's still an interest,
it's still flourishing, even though that there has been some
blows that have knocked it to the floor in political
and financial senses. In other senses, there's rising to the occasion.
I think a good example of that is like we
talked about last week or not last week three weeks

(02:47):
ago with the Chevy bolt. Well, yeah, I don't know
whether the timing was on par with the tax credit
going away for the bolt to make sense, because with
the Econox and.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
The Blazer, it's tough to try to put a bolt
in there when the tax credit brings everything so low.
But now that the tax Cred's gone, and GM isn't
artificially paying for that on their own dime. They're now
doing that with the bolt to make the bolt look amazing.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
And every waking moment I think about the bolt, now, wow.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
First thing, would I wake up?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It was a pretty big bolt detail we missed though,
that I think is worth mentioning.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Would you say it's shocking.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
It's very shocking to me, or at least maybe it
shouldn't be shocking. It's like revealing to me that they're
saying the bolt is back for limited time.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, we don't know what the timeline is.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, why kind.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Of like having pumpkins spice for about six months limited time.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Imagine if it came back every five years, that would
be kind of interesting. But I'm sad that it's not
back for good.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I guess that me.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Too, but I think it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
What is good? How do you define good? Like went
away it came back?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
How do you define good? Well? What do you mean
by the frog?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yes, frank Oz did do the voice of both.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
So well, you know, do you know anything about the bolt?
You haven't gotten your take on the bolt?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Uh that did you finish your part? Because when I start,
it's going to start segueing to like other categories.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Let's like the sege of old which has turned into
kids toy. Let's keep it going just a tangent direction.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Okay, I am up to speed about the bolt, and
I really like the bolt.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
H good, that's good. We're in agreement there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
If you didn't like oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
especially this this more or less, uh, you will be
hearing from my lawyers. I have no lawyers. My lawyers
are are optimistic chat. So the boat as the reason

(05:29):
why I said it's going to segue to other things
is because the boat is a good indicator of all
the other not tesla's that are carving their way. I'm
just a man trying to make my way in the universe,
and I the bigger picture, which you guys were just

(05:54):
kind of uh alluding to with the tax credit going
away now, it really it's hard for me to make
a case for people to buy something new as an
evening Oh yeah, full stop. And the astisk to that
because there is is the bowl. I think it's incredible

(06:17):
that in twenty twenty five, right now, that you can
actually have a vehicle actually say like out the door
pricing with every all the other little uh non negotiable
fees that have to fascination docking all that.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's cool that they can.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Meet that criteria. And it makes me so I'm spacing
out the word right now because it's late at night.
The brain isn't fully on. But what's that thing when
a store sells a full turkey or chicken whatever for
like four bucks? So that no, no, no, so you
get you get, you get, you get, you go. You

(06:55):
get into the door by buying the really cheap rotisserie chicken,
so that way you can buy the other things as well.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Oh, the lost leader, loss leader, I think was.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Cost Okay, that's I know the term even you know
the costcos stayed very consistent with that dollar fifty hot dog.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
The food court man, Oh my goodness, let's say, wait,
what did you say, No, it's one fifty, it's one fifty?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Did you say that costco? Whether it was pizza or
something else. I wouldn't be surprised if something else. I
know the membership went up recently. But you're right, the
bolt is meant to be the hot dog in soda
of the ev world.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's like fifty nine cents or fifteen cents or whatever, and.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's not worth buying used no, because it's limited time
and or the ones that exist right now that are
used are.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Very different charge speed.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, Like, yeah, you get a substantially different charge speed
if you go with a used bolt.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
So yeah, I see your point.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Like with modern day model threes and whise, especially with
the new base standard.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Variant Standard, it's the range in the name.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
It's not just standard, it's like, why would you more money?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, Why would you
buy that over a used model Y? Like the used
model will have objectively more.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
So here's yeah, my used model Y right now.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I charge it up today. And then was it I
looked at that app and it's at eighty six percent.
I'm like, I wonder what that equates to a mile?
So I just tapped a percentage. So Tesla gives their
own estimated based off of their metrics and then also
your driving style whatever.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I don't drive like a crazy bat at.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Of hell, but it said I at eighty six percent,
that was an equivalent of two hundred and thirty.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Miles of range.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Okay, so you do the math of two thirty by
yer point eighty six. That make it one hundred? What
is it? Ketch six? Hold on, let me get chet GPT. No,
I just I'm telling you sorry, it's what.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Are you some kind of engineer?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Two thirty by point eighty six? And that gets you.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
It would have been quicker just to ask chat GPT.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
What was it? Uh to seventy?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think, okay, that makes sense. That's pretty close to
what mine is. In your wine, I just full charged
it so I didn't have to do the math. I
just degreed the battery much faster.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
So that's what's got me thinking about the bolt is
just five years in of owning my y, which has
been great, it's now degraded down to two seventy where
it was promised to be three fifteen, three twenty whatever
it was. I think I got maybe three ten max
in its life when it was new. When it was new,
but now it's degraded down to to seventy. Possibly yeah,

(09:54):
based on my driving style and Tesla's estimations or whatever,
or the bolt l true two hundred and fifty five
miles of range. And I know about you Drew with
your LEFP pack and your three but I'm pretty sure
that's carried through for at least the first five years
of ownership. The full range, Yeah, it still degrades a bit.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
At least if we're going off of the Tesla guessometer,
which I think has some flood.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well there's guessometer versus GM estimation. Yeah, that's just shown
to be a lot more conservative, I hope.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
So yeah, and or there's a built in margin there.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, they have because the Model three when fully charged
is still like two fifty four, even though when it
was new it was to seventy two. So there's still
some like quotable degradation at least. But I'm again that
guessometer is very nut, very inaccurate, So like I wouldn't
be surprised if we did like a full one hundred

(10:54):
to dead range test, it would be pretty close. At least.
There was some website of Forget. It was where people
were tracking their battery health, like the masses could all
plug their car batteries into the database, and the LFP
ones were by far the best performers. So it's not
no degradation, but it is substantially Have.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
You noticed that in your three and y Randy, I
just rading to.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I just did the I asked chat GPT to help me.
I've I've offloaded assumed.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
The water bottle.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't care. I don't listen. I drink, I refilled this.
This is my water. So I'm I'm saving the earth
that way.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
The water bottles worth of water and now there's less plastic,
so good job exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
So it bounces out and and I don't care. I
don't care. I'm I just water doesn't disappear from existence.
But that's not how water works. So I did the math. Yeah,
the main thing we have more water because global warming
is melting the what is the range of your ve

(12:07):
I this all I'm saying is I'm going to use
chat GBT. I will not be bullied into I have
offloaded any critical thinking this year. I'm no longer. I
I going to say you can go five hundred miles
of range with your cars combine. I did them. I
did the math right now, And by me, I mean
I asked chat GBT, if fifty percent is one hundred

(12:30):
and forty two miles, what is one hundred percent? And
it said too fifty, So that's my full that's my
full range, too fifty when I got the plate.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Huh do you need an AI to calculate double fifty
tons too?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Again, it's late at night, Drew, and I have offloaded
all critical thinking.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Also, one hundred and forty two times two is not
two fifty. What did you say? It's too eighty four?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
One forty at.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Fifty seven sorry, fifty seven percent? Oh, forty two at
fifty seven percent brings me up at one forty nine
point five or something, So I just round it up to.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
One to two fifty.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I'm like pretty I get that, Mike, Mike. I am
so hard on the paint of Baby Shark. Do do
do do do that?

Speaker 4 (13:34):
When I tell you this Baby Shark, leave Baby sharkad this.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's the Halloween special. So Baby Shark is wearing a
costume this month, so I'm.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Still doing the baby Shark Do do Do do? Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah shark costume little uh Google doo do do
do do little.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Good sorry wow news.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
For copyright reasons, I had to do it. It's for all
of our financial.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
But I sung it so bad. Is no way.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
You don't sell yourself short?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
You're I am short?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
And he sold all his Tuessel stock, and.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I sold all my stock. I short at the stock.
I sold myself short.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay, so you're at two fifty miles of range in
your three.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah? Why?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Basically that's buying used is okay with model? Reason whyse
because there's so much money to be saved, very little
features to miss out on.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I don't know I've said, I feel like I've said
I don't know if I've said it on this podcast,
but I know I've said it individually that I will
no longer buy another new EV for the foreseeable future.
Just it doesn't make sense. And now, in this great, big,
beautiful Trump America, who's very young, health being the best
present we've ever had, there's.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
No rate to bring him up or something.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
It's in my clause if I don't impersonate them, bring
them up.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's in the clause. So I can either I can
either do a show as him or I have to
bring him up. But it's in the contract. Like I
don't want to get canceled, you know what I mean?
So no, not again again and again.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
So uh, but buying used is the way to go,
just especially because they're not holding, whereas we're seeing that
evs do not have some intrinsic value outside.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Of twenty twenty two, twenty twenty one, whenever there was
like a chip time. Yeah, yeah, no, there was ever
a time. I know, I know, if there was ever
a time, I could have just got ahead away from it.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
But I hope, yeah, you were buying one.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and I could have flipped it for a profit.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
We might know somebody who did a few of those.
But so I said, why, an EV shows that it
doesn't actually have any proprietary or instrinsic value to hold
its cost. It appreciates just like any other vehicle.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
And appreciates more than any other vehicle.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
It doesn't a lot quicker than yes.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
So that tells me for the next you know, until
twenty thirty that anybody I feel dumb forever buying a
new EV period I buying it used is the way
to go. Now what the game that we're playing is
just waiting for for used non Tesla NAS vehicles to

(16:50):
be on on the market.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Very specific, but yes, I agree, the checkboxes have to align.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's like nacs NAX returns are ready, but used. You're
describing the R two. I know where this is going,
but that's not R three. We use R three. That's
the dream.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, oh dude, uh maybe maybe yeah maybe yeah. But
then it's like here's the thing, right, Like I really
like using car play and the fact that our j
has doubled down on this whole, like we are not
going to be doing car play. You're going to really
learn to appreciate. Like, no, man, I've been using Google

(17:32):
Maps on Tesla for six years and I hate it.
It is the worst.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
It is pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
It is so much.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Specifically, it's been really struggling lately, where like we had
road closure and Google Maps kept routing us to go
directly through it. So we had to like retrain our
brain to like, don't listen to the nab it's wrong
because it thinks we can go through there.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's a way more level of thinking, yeah, it's like,
oh go.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
And then two weeks of doing that, they finally finished
the construction and now that part of the road is open,
and now the Google Maps thinks the road is closed,
so it's constantly telling us to not go that way.
It was like, you couldn't have been more wrong. And
it's been like two weeks of that. So wow, you

(18:20):
know what does have car play?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I here we go. Oh god, I fully missed this
part of the podcast. Wow, I can't I can't wait.
I am so ready for this.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
He's got it.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, no, no, no, I want to hear it from the horses.
But tell me, I want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
What has car played some other startups?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
What?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
What vehicles in production right now? They can get because
because Chevy don't. That's why I don't like the news Bolt.
That's actually one of the reasons why I'm.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Ford has it Lucid and Ford. I that's it. There's
gotta be more.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I have ridden in a Maki Mustang.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
It only took you. What was the time that we
wrote in the Makis? Was that three years ago?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Right here? Buddy? That one's for you?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Was this recently?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (19:27):
What'd you think?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I didn't hate it?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Why did you drive?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay? So context? I didn't give the context. My wife's
co worker bought.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
It, and soo wow, okay, believe her in the Mustang.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
We actually know a lot of people, a lot of
people that she works with that has mokis now and
they Eddie, what do you think about I'm like you've
seen my car? Yeah, I know, what do you think
of the monkey?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I'm we're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Like, you're not actually asking me, should you get it?
You were looking for confirmation bias. But then I you know,
butts in seats or whatever they say, and I was like, oh,
this is actually I don't know what I was expecting.
It felt very legacy.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Uh I hope, so it's a.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Ford Yeah, but I mean, like screen, you're so used
to this one didn't have it on the screen.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
What really?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, hang on, give me my second, let me.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Uh no, one second? What color was the car?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Blue?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Ooh?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I like the grabber.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I opened up my phone and the very first thing
I saw, because for a different thing was Blucifer like
kind of like that.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Blucifer mocky Blucifer mocky. Did they remove the dial?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I don't hang on a second, mack e that would
be at me five. Give me a second, all right.
While we're looking for that, somebody filled dead space.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
So me and Drew also testro some vehicles too. Well,
it's just you. I was along for the ride. You
took the b roll. I did take the b roll.
We got to check out Volvo and specifically the e
X thirty and e X ninety.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, that was a good comparison. It was like the
low end and the high end.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
We didn't check out the middle end, which is the
EX forty, which has been around, but that's okay.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I didn't need to. I felt like the EX thirty
impressed me.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I liked it.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
It was it was small, but it felt really really smooth,
and they framed that shot perfectly. Mike is frantically looking
for just keep try to kill time with the Yeah, study,
what did we like about it? I liked how short
it was. I think it's like one hundred and sixty
inches or so.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
We're still dial on there, trim. That's a premium. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Maybe his didn't, or maybe it was so well integrated
he just didn't even notice.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
The dial maybe because now that when I'm I'm when
I'm pulling up is like wow, I remember seeing all
this other stuff. Because it had the thing in the center.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's yeah, it has both I think, and so I
was more fixated on that, okay.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
And I was like, okay. The part that threw me
off it was very like old school model ass, you know,
portrait orientation.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
And it feels more like a normal car, right.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
It feels more like a normal car. It feels more
like a normal car. But I didn't hate it because
there's there's a sense of like famililiarity, spending so many
years not having anything then and he's like, oh, yeah,
of course this this feels like especially as a driver,

(23:10):
because you still have the is it still considered a
hud for the driver display?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
It still heads up display. It's a driver display is
probably the better term to play. And then it heads
up display is a little bit more digital as on the.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Anyway the exactly, so that's why it doesn't hit the windshow.
It's just it's that driver display. It was cool, it
was fine. I'm noticing a pattern though, because also this
year I personally went to a dealer and all that
and I drove in Ionic five. I did.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, there's a lot driving everything.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, I I I haven't covered I haven't. I haven't
made content on it because I decide instead of doing
like individual things like I'm gathering an overall like analysis
about these other vehicles because I'm noticing a common trend
with most of them that make me go okay, I

(24:22):
either am so accustomed to Tesla that everything else feels
archaic or there is a lower quality product coming out
of these other vehicles that have parallels. I'll give you
one that's anecdotal, completely trivial, and it does not affect
the performance of the vehicle, but something that they want

(24:44):
to promote. So I choose to emphasize on the ventilated seats, right,
the ventilated seats on the Ionic five, specifically, I turned
that onto the Max. I also drove, was that this year?
That to have been this year? Was it this year?
I drove an ID buzz?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, that was this year? I think I remember that?

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Was that this year?

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Okay, I don't remember, so ID buzz same thing like
all these EV's other ones. We'll talking about the ventilated seats.
Not that good kind of suck, actually really suck, don't
fill it?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Like, why am I wearing jacket or something?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
No, this was summertime. Why the hell would I be
wearing a jacket.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Maybe you thought it'd be so cold that you were
wearing a jacket. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
It's Colorado. I'm not I'm not. I'm not in the
north pole man, I'm in the front.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
But more on the cyber truck. When I had that
for a few days, I would blast the ventilated seats
and I was not impressed.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I was like, hmmm, I don't know, I don't feel it.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't know if this is an evy thing or
if I'm just like like roast colored glasses are changing
my perception of those ventilated seats. But I remember writing
in an uh it was it was a Kia in
twenty sixteen and their new feature was like ventilated seats,
and I remember that thing like that was cold. And

(26:23):
I remember that because things were shriveling up my pride
and I was like, this is cold. So uh that
ventilated seats, all of them sucked. I was like, okay,
car play, why are this car play? Mind you? Okay,

(26:49):
it's fighting with the internal UI about certain things, you
know what I mean. And I'm like, Okay, this is
actually kind of frustrating because I remember when I had
my Jetta, I just plugged in the cable and then boom,
car play done. And I wasn't getting that experience on
the buzz on the Ionic five. I didn't do it

(27:11):
at all with the with the Mustang, but it was
m Yeah, but she has a n iPhone. I just
I was more interested about the mechanics of what why
the machi is so popular. Then I was like, let
me see what car play looks like. Vertically, I didn't care.
I've seen the vowels, Okay, I understand enough about how

(27:33):
that those mechanics work. But uh, even more so the
the CCS thing is the different pores. Like immediately looking
at it, I I had the constant I always walked
away from it going like the TESTA is the better quality,

(27:57):
like period, even if there was quality ConTroll is shoes
or whatever. Like when it comes to full system and
hardware integration, Tesla has it made best app best. Uh.
It almost feels intuitive. It almost feels like instinct instinctual

(28:17):
that you're like, oh, of course it's supposed to just
behave like this. And that's where I'm like, I don't
know if it's because I've just been using Tesla for
so long that I understand how to navigate or everything,
because I know people who don't know Tesla don't know
how to open the freaking glove compartment. And that's funny
to watch that that that gives me or the doors
that is a good party, Like I get a good

(28:38):
thirty second, you know, laughing at you know what I mean.
I'm like, you, stupid person, you can't.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
This picture of Randy's car. How do I open the
glove in me?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I'm like, I'm like, I'm never getting out of your road,
or like Randy, the car's on fire, how do I
get out? Hell, like I get a good thirty second,
like one of those gut laughs, you know, real good
that kind of you might accidentally excuse me. So here's

(29:16):
my deal. Hi, welcome back you guys. Miss me yet.
I don't think you're not impressed. I am. It's just
I'm not impressed with what we have today in the
way that like makes me want to walk away. There

(29:37):
has to be a bias about, like I spent so
much money on these Teslas that I innately am going eh.
But also mm hmm, I have not sat in a
Rivian yet still, and I haven't done that yet. Well
that's because you know, shut up, and I feel like,
at the end of the day, when I get my

(29:57):
butt in the seat of a vehicle that makes only EV's,
I am going to actually have more parallels to that
with the Tesla than Legacy Auto. Trying to do EV's
as well. I feel like, honestly, when it comes to Ford, GM, Volkswagen,
who gives it? They are Their hearts aren't in it

(30:18):
because they don't need to. Their money isn't coming from that.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Are they're kicking butt right now with their lineup.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
They're okay, but.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
They didn't need to put sounds inside the end series.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
But that doesn't matter. That doesn't matter at the end
of the day. What people want experience, right the driving
experience starts with how much you Every single person tells
me I'm not gonna get an EV until it can
go blank far, Like they only care about range period.

(30:54):
They don't care about oh but it has the bow
system or they don't care like oh wireless entry. They
I don't give it. They don't care. They like, I'm
not gonna buy a car that gives me one hundred
and fifty miles. And I'm like, okay, well then so
you're got to increase your budget a little bit. They're like, well,
I'm not going to do that because then there's all
these other things and with that same amount of money,
I just get a high respect gas equivalent. I'm like, yeah,

(31:16):
but then you're paying gas oil change all these other
things that I haven't had to pay for, and they're like, yeah,
but then I just want for pretty cheap well I
use DV or a gas one. They don't know they
that's that's the point I'm making that so many other
people when it comes to legacy auto, they're not going

(31:38):
to spend cheaper amount to get even a more inferior
quality from their perspective of range. And the only alternative
to that is they used Tesla, which I'm like, yeah,
but now they're like screw that. There's there's there's no

(32:00):
there's no benefit onwing an EV when it comes to
out the door pricing unless these local places are going
to honor the seventy five hundred dollars credit on their
front and take the hail on it.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Nobody's at as like the prologue.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Nobody wants to even buy vehicles these days, and why
we're not even interested because like they already are rolling
over tariff costs. They're like, there's no point. They don't
want to. They don't want to spend more money on
something new with an import with the tariffs and have
to pay the front of that cost. And unless they
have to find it's the whole haggling thing, like let

(32:36):
negotiate the price down here, but I don't want to
do this, but we'll throw this in for three years,
Like yeah, that comes standards, So no, I'm not going
to do that. Like they is this back and forth
thing that's happening.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I think that's annoying. The running theme I'm catching between
the two.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I would I will say Hyundai and Kia have.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Made amazing hardware. I feel like it's very hard to deny.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like they've got range, They've got awesome range, they've got
better charging curves than Tesla. They've got some incredible hardware.
But what Randy's commentary is more pointing to is the
software is substantially lacking, which I do think is a
very common complaint I've heard among Hyundai and Kia buyers.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Is like like.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
The go to test a lot of reviewers go to
for like road trip ability is like you get in
the car, plug in a destination, and hit go how
eloquently and smoothly can it plan out that route? And
that's something that despite a lot of Tesla shortcomings, which
I'm quick to bring up, there's a lot of hardware faults.

(33:37):
My stupid wipers will not stop going even when they're
not supposed to. My battery failed, the windows making too
much rattle sound.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
In mind, Now let me listen to music today unless
I reset the system. There's all kinds of problems a
phone call.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
But I will say Tesla got that plug in the
destination go thing better than anybody, at least in the US.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
China is a whole different story. I think China is.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
A good preview of like what the future is supposed
to look like. But like I would go as far
as to say, is the hardware in many ways has
caught up and surpassed Tesla in many fields, Like I
clusted with their charging tech, and even Hyundai and Kia,
like they're in the build quality. I would say with
the Alvo felt awesome.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Oh my gosh, that X ninety was to die for.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Just just the sound. I know this isn't everything, but
the stound the door's made. Yeah, they're so much better
than suspension was great on both of them.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, even we went over a speed bump in the
X thirty, I was like, that was a speed bump. Yeah,
and they're quick, like they've got the speed.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
They've got good handling, they've got performance, but yeah, it's
like that software is missing that edge. And that's why
I know people hate it when I say this, but
I think the Rivian R two is the closest thing
to a model y AT. I won't say, well, there's
hundreds of them, there's note the public hands. Not well

(35:08):
they're in they're on public roads, not in public hands.
But you can't say, no, they haven't done customer deliveries.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
But I do think that's going to be a fascinating
like pivot point in the market because it'll be the
first time that I think a company will be close
or matching the software experience from both the app, the
in car navigation, even some of the self driving capability.

(35:36):
Rivian seems to be really trying to pivot themselves or
or position themselves. I should say, not pivot. It's like
autonomy driven and software driven. And I don't feel like
many other companies are going after Tesla in that regard.
They're just focused on charging or range or suspended, which
are all good things, or luxury features. Yeah, yeah, that's

(36:00):
that's pretty easy. But I do think that the R
two has a good like Rivian's just established a really
solid brand.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
They're the next gen super is what I can kind
of pitch to a lot of my friends.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
And a lot of people love them but simply just
can't afford them, which is okay. I think they probably
did that on purpose.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
They were, yeah, let's make it super desirable first and foremost,
let's just prove to the world we can make an
amazing vehicle experience. They did that with the R one
S and now it's just package that slightly smaller, slightly
more efficient in a way.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
More affordable price point, and they're going for high volume.
It looks like with all the tooling and all the
factory we're going on, I think it's going to be
a serious contender, like more so than anything else. Like,
I love a lot of the qualities of the Tesla
alternatives out there, especially as the getting nacked now and

(37:00):
supercharger compatibility is becoming better. It's still not seamless, but
it's it's much better than it used to be.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I personally would still.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Take an R two over any of them, just for
the software and the mobile app.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
MHM.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I would say, anecdotal to my region, next to Tesla's
the most common vehicle I see on the road as
a rivian out here.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Colorado.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, it's like rivian one higher.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Cost of living two adventure out.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
What does higher cost of I didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I don't see Colorado as a higher cost of living
than many other states. But specifically you're combining in a
very outdoorsy living environment with higher cost of living in general. Well,
Denver and Colorado Springs aren't known for being low income.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
But I'm just I'm just saying, like, no city is
very well known. It's like if there's a lot of demand,
you know, there's a lot of people all living in
one place, Like those are the kind of people to
buy fancier vehicles. Like, yeah, that's like in the in
the Bay Area. I see they're everywhere.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
No.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I saw a cyber truck driving on the left shoulder today.
Oh the dude do not care driving the ninety miles
per hour and then cut off a whole bunch of people.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
That's what we have over here is crazy cyber true, he's.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Probably on FSD to give him a break. That's that's
version fourteen. I think Oh I found an opening, let's go,
but could be.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Even if it's weirdly wedge shaped.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
It I hate to say this, but I've actually been
very legitimately looking at the prices of used are one
teas lately.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah wait, hang onre you dropped.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Here, you go, buddy, Yeah, thank you. You just send
me my charge break No.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
No no, no, no no no, you dropped this.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
But from I can't do not. There's a Glacier White
twenty twenty two launch Edition R one T for forty
eight thousand from Rivian, like from existing inventory. Yeah, they
pay attention. They pay attention to what the market has
priced their vehicles at and they try to remain somewhat

(39:37):
competitive even though they are losing a bit.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
But it's stupid expected.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
The same that Tessel's in right now is they've got
lots and lots and lots of cyber trucks YS, s
IS and X's especially, and they don't really want to
budge on the price, and what results is lots of
these cars just collecting dust, where Rivian is trying to
avoid that. They want to at least make some say
even though yeah it is not what they want, it

(40:03):
is at least getting.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Happen when you have trade in and that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, they're also used.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You need to have the whales that are willing to
brunt most of the cost there, so that way other
people can afford to have a competitive chance to get
in as well.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
But it was, you know, I was trying to I
was starting to run the numbers in my head. I
was like, forty eight k that's not much more than
the base R two And the R one T has
five seats. The R two has five seats. R one
T just happens to also be a truck. It is
close to the same price that it was quad motor instead
of the R two base model, which would probably be

(40:43):
single motor, I'm guessing.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
And I was like, you know, it's just kind of
making a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I never I never lost hope on you.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
No, were you the one I haven't written on a
sticky note in my office, Randy will buy a R
two if it costs was it forty or forty five
thousand dollars or less in the next three No, it
was was that. And then also Randy will buy an
R one T in the next three years or something
like that as well.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I have a I know my own missions, like where
my vision is about wanting to have the R one
T above anything else. But it has to the criteria
that whatever sticky you had, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Right here, and that Sage Green is that one still going?
It's live right now, it's got twelve hours and.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
For how much? For no, No, because the video I
put out saying what my criteria was is that that's gospel,
that's that's that's the tablet with all the official stuff
right there. I will not spend a penny over thirty
thousand dollars. I have standards. I don't have that much

(42:03):
of a standard. I'm not going to spend a penny
over thirty thousand. That's what I'm budgeting for. And then
that not starter.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
You think Rivin will get below our one teas, Yes,
the twenty twenty two specifically, I was thinking, I don't
care below thirty for until but he's he's used, which.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I used, possible used used thirty thousand dollars nact. I
don't want to re Yeah, I don't want to rewire.
By note I I'm not doing any of that. It
has to be.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Super charge anything, just put on an adapter.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I think, Oh, what was the deal? Oh the big
incentive to me of like, what about used versus new?
This whole debate, especially with Rivian. I didn't realize how
good the warranty was on the lunch editions and I
pay attention.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Wait wait, wait, maybe I don't tell me what? What?
What am I might be missing?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Okay what? I won't say it yet. Let's guess make
it interesting. So on my Model three, it's one hundred
thousand miles that the batteries within warranty or eight years
comes I think one hundred and thirty.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Okay, one thirty. What's your guess for ten years? Uh?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
For r ON and T launch under whatever they call it.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
It's actually I don't think it makes a difference launch.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Later because I know how HANDAI and all that operates.
I'm gonna go on a limb and I'm gonna say
quarter mill.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Oh okay, why would you guess that that's too hot?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
But quarter mill that's not that I mean, that.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Would be amazing.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I don't know any vehicle that has a battery warranty
that high. But to give you, to give everyone some
respective cyber truck battery warranty was one fifty one hundred
and fifty thousand miles. If the health dips below seventy percent,
you get a full battery replacement. The R one T
was one hundred and seventy five thousand, Okay, so the

(44:16):
forty eight thousand dollars or eight years, Yeah, so not
a not quite a ten, but still that's for twenty
one seventies and you know, not a terribly efficient vehicle.
That I thought that warranty was impressive because the vehicle
I was looking at was forty eight grand and it
had sixty thousand miles on it. And I was like, okay,
so this thing is close to the price of an

(44:37):
R two base model and still has over one hundred
thousand miles left on the warranty.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
It's like, Drew, that's pretty good, sir Druseph, are you
in the market for another EV.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
He wants to get rid of that twenty twenty one model? Wise, okay,
I thought up the when's not a model guy?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
When when is it? When? When will the hunger be satisfied?

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Will you have come out? Which is not going to
be anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
The the funny thing was, there's a there's a growing
number of circumstances where I.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Need to toe you want to borrow the truck. No,
not a gas truck.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I don't like this is the podcast.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
You have standards.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
But that being said, towing with a Rivian would suck
big time. But I would rather be stopping every hour
with a Rivian than stopping every six hours with a
gas truck. That's kind of where lying. I don't think
it is because I know Drew and he's all about
it's my it's all about efficiency or efficiency. There's no

(45:54):
wiggle room there.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well, and that would be the biggest dilemma that would
make the r on such a hard pitches, especially those
for me.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Efficiency is actually time efficiency, and that's where having the
gas truck and towing and hauling makes a whole lot
more sense than Oops, I have to go charge for
an hour before picking up some stuff at like the
or or somewhere else at home depot.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
And well, what my silly monkey brain thinks is like
YouTuber brain thinks, is like, even if it's a terrible
towing experience, that's content.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Videos out of it. The Jerry Ring experience of the
two that need to be trying to service Arrivian in general. Yeah,
they got to replace that whole panel. Yeah, No, there's
as amazing as it sounds to me, and how it is,

(46:53):
especially seeing the R one T and R one S
recently with you when we were in the city and
we got to everyone catch a brief minute together. They're
all over there. No, I'd rather wait for an.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
R two T at that point they they let the
trademark on that expire. Unfortunately, it's it doesn't have to
be an R two T. There's other companies making the
R two T.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
That's right forward.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
That's true that the smaller trucks or need more smaller trucks.
I don't sorry, it just came to mind. But no,
there's a reason I'm not announcing that I've made a
purchase on this podcast because I reached similar conclusions as
you just did, which is I looked at the maximum range,

(47:42):
and I looked at reviews, and also of course looked
at charge times when towing, and it's like, uh, this
thing would be a pain in the butt to charge
on any road trip. And then you throw a trailer
in the mix, it gets even it gets even worse.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
No, we had a whole discussion about that before.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
But not fun.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Not fun. But you are trying to get rid of
your model y.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
It's not his car to get rid of. But he
can't convince someone if it's a deal. No, I can't.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
We got such a crazy good deal on that car.
We're not We're going to drive it until it explodes.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I was gonna said battery, thought so too.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Of the Model three.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
No, I left poing nowhere, So you just.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Have rich Man addiction. I'm just gonna buy them all.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I'm just I'm thinking back to the price I paid
for my Model three and looking at the price of
an R one.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
T how I feel with the Model Why I got
a first edition model y early then, yeah you got it,
wasn't even didn't get any special badges, didn't get anything,
and it cost a premium yep. And now I'm looking
at a Bolt.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I'm like, yeah, it's five years later, but at least
you get full self driving.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh shut up, Oh stop it.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Just to be clear, I could get FSD for free
with credits, and I have not.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Rich Man addiction. It is a real problem, folks.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
No, it's like as far as content is concerned. Also,
the R two would would do way better.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
So what I'm hearing is Randy hasn't seen anything from
Legacy Otto or anything else. Outside of Tesla that has
tickled his fancy. You keep on fantasizing about startup companies
with very low price to use vehicles.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
That don't make sense.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
No, that's not true. And I'm still saying my ways
with the Model line a gas truck that do everything
that I need.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
But that's also not true. On my behalf, where did
you buy, Randy?

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Stop? What did you buy something? Did you not buy something?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
No? Jew was about to say something.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Oh, the plan is so I cannot you know, we
are not going to sell the Model Why because we
got such a great deal on it. It sounds however,
if it stops working, a decision might need to be made.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Sticking a screwdriver up in mentioned we charged it to
full yesterday. This is just keeps on charging the full,
you know, just throw out another battery.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Throwing your cigarettes under the car every day.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Just say think about Chevy bolts.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Have those thoughts. Just like when.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
The why eventually goes put, when the Why says goodbye,
When the Why says goodbye, we're going to have to
make a decision based on what vehicles are available.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Are you expecting it to happen the next day or two?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
No? I think it'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
It's still under warranty technically, even the new battery. How
long I have Let's see, it goes to one hundred
and twenty thousand miles and we're at eighty so.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I've got a little while knd of say, how'd you
catch up to me? But you didn't take it to
eight I bought it used. Yeah, but the three did
catch up? Oh yeah, you beat me and Randy after
like a year and a half of ownership. Randy, what
were you going to add?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I'm at eighty seven thousand on the three.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Wow, it's almost ye hang on, I don't know what
I'm at.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Somehow I was the last one here to buy an ev.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I'm at sixty eight thousand for the three.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
I'm at eighty one thousand for the Y Dang.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I'm at forty two for the model Why? Okay, my model?
Why is currently? Here's an update I got, Actually I
got a few updates.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
So this is what we asked at the game of
the podcast.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
No, I'm not going to give you those updates. I'm
giving you different updates. Uh, we don't have the model
why right now as of recording this, and that means
also as of tomorrow, we don't have it.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
You don't have it? It's uh, it means whatever you
want it to mean.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Randy, stop beating around the bush. What's going on? It's
in service, that's my guess. That's me at the end
of the week. Oh is it the new wheels? Getting
the entire so.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
The model? Why? Actually both models? Man, that's I.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Got Brandy first of all, and talking. You have a
king introductions, you have a body, and you have a conclusion,
and I also have given.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And I also and I also have a cliffhanger. I
have a fait, and I.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Have just talk about what have you done?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
No, I'm not gonna I changed my I'm I'm going
to talk about something completely different but relevant.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
We drove the lot of y off a cliff Mike.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
It's so we are uh I almost said suing, but
that's not the right word. We are filing a claim.
We are filing a damages or something. Oh, you tell
the story, please, you got it?

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Getting to the point he filed an insurance claim because.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
No, no, no, no, no no no no no no
go ahead, no, but you please tell the story please?
I got.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Or whatever this is I'm done waiting. I'm done waiting
as well.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
That's fine, that's great, because the part I want to
talk about doesn't involve waiting. We are going after the
city or the county that Brittany knows the answer to
that one. Because our cars have been under services of
sorts at least eight to ten times this year from

(54:28):
road damages like nails and stuff like that in our tires.
We have paid at this point thousands of dollars entire repairs,
and we you know, my wife being the the paralegal
that she is, and looked into some stuff. Long story

(54:51):
short on that we can file claims with the county
or the city, depending on the jurisdiction. Oh, we are
doing that to be made whole thousands of dollars and
that is not an exaggeration. Luckily, we have documented everything.
We have receipts for everything, and we have notes from

(55:14):
Discount Tire stating as such that these industrial nails are
ruining or and we have to replace them. You can't
just pass them. We have to keep replacing replacing them.
And we don't have the model why right now. Because
outside of all that, two separate occasions somebody has hit

(55:39):
the model hy and we took it in to the
same Like, it's very hard to get a certified Tesla
service shop out here to work with insurance and do repairs.
But nonetheless, we do have at least one that's relyingle

(56:00):
well that we've been using. So the car got dropped
off today. Tomorrow morning we're gonna be picking up a
rental so she can have a vehicle, which I don't
know why because she's furload, so what's the point. But
so yeah, so, but no, it's good to have two
vehicles to guess around stuff like that. I was like, great,

(56:20):
put us in elucid, put us in literally any ev
that we have, and they're like, you're gonna get a
Nissan Ultima. Oh. It was like, damn, that just blows.
But not even I would have. I would have. I
was like, you gotta at least have a Prius.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Why Ultima? What is gonna do to you?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
It's it's not what we paid for the car I've
ever seen. It is the most car. That's so funny.
So our cars have been not natural, no hail or
snow or anything else that they were warning us that
could happen in Colorado. No, just road construction, and we

(57:09):
never know exactly where it's happening because I don't get
notified about the little tire pressure until the next morning.
I'm like, naturally, and it's always the same freaking tire
rear passenger. Like eight out of ten times that's been
the case, or six out of ten, I will it's
it's it's I am not embellishing when I say it's

(57:32):
happened at least eight, I think ten times combined with
the Model Y and the Model three that we've had
that so we've spent hundreds and hundreds up to thousands
of dollars now out of pocket to get our tires fixed,
to the point where like I'm like, this doesn't feel ethical,
this doesn't feel right. I feel like we could do
something about this and behold, uh, it's a process.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
So anyway, I'm glad your wife is pursuing that because
that's I think the thing to do. That's an outrageous
amount of tire repair.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
However, here we go.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
He did a simple Google search and looking at AI
over you on Google.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, Alvin Ivanhoe AI, as we all know what.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
My family calls it. I thought it was cute, so
I'm gonna bring it.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I get so.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Alvin says that Tesla does offer the monthly wheel entire
Protection membership in Colorado. Have you considered that membership?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
No, because we're actually we didn't get on the tire
package because we haven't had too many tiresh. I guess
we have had. We probably should sign up, but we
kept getting windshield cracks. So we signed up for the.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Tesla Windshield uh program, which is twelve dollars a month.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Yeah for that to me after I got mine replaced.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Oh they did. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
I left it unanswered because it never really happens to me.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Okay, it's pretty I'm not that unlucky for us. It
happened like twice or three times within a year, and
each time it was like one thousand dollars, So we
were like twelve bucks a month. We'd have to not
have a cracked windshield for something like eight or ten
years before it would be cheaper to I was like,
we're probably going to have a cracked windshield in the
next eight to ten years, So we subscribed to that.

(59:32):
Not again, not that that is the solution. Obviously, the
solution should be the city reimburses you for the expenses.
And hopefully stops dropping freaking nails and screws everywhere. That
would be ideal, but that could be a potential band
aid for you.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I don't know I had something I will. I said
no to me considering it because I one hundred and
twenty seconds ago, I didn't know that existed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Was it never offered or I guess you know you've
been getting repaired at No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I have not gone through TESTA for anything. Everything has
been outsourced through other people's insurance companies. Because the ones
that have hit us they're at fault. We use their insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
They the tires get done that like in America's Tire
or something like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
That exactly, and when that's done, that's like, oh, it's
thirty bucks. So the thing is like every time we
have the tires ensured, we have a warranty or I
forget what they called it, but basically or whatever. Yeah,
there's something where it's a one time payment of thirty
five bucks or something like that, thirty nine something like that,

(01:00:41):
and you pay it again the next time you go
back in to replace it. So we've paid hundreds of
dollars just doing that, not to include the actual tire.
We've we've paid our replacing all because it's pay for
the set. It's the set that you're paying for, right

(01:01:04):
but at one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Point in which is not an option to me, that's
not a possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It's never going to be a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Do you want since apparently you need a spare time?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
I got so distracted.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
No, I don't want your truck, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I'm not trying to get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
But okay, well, I mean you offered I thought, I don't.
I feel like just get off. No, No, we can
go back to that. My points made.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
We just we're pursuing what's going on. I appreciate you
giving the beginning, the middle, and the end to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I only wanted to take an hour so that way
that we can have, you know, consistency throughout this this
show of this program today.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
So yeah, this program. I like. Our program brought to
you by uh no, we don't do that. Brought to
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Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
That's our officials, brought to you by stream yard, powered
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Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Does having all of these tire issues that you wish
you had a spare in your repeat?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I think I'm so enraged. I don't care about the spare.
I care more that like nothing's getting done in the
city side, that this keeps happening. And I mean a
spare would help, but a spare meaning it's like like
a fifth wheel or one of those temporary tires, because
there is a difference, and I don't want the temporary

(01:02:51):
tire the donut around.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah, and or I guess by your description you don't
actually need to replace the tire until or you don't
know that the tires damaged until the next day. At
that point the car is at home, you can check that.
I guess it might be difficult trying to roll out
of the driveway realizing that you then have a punctured
tire and then roll back in and get that fixed,

(01:03:22):
especially if you're just got plans going somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah, that has happened so many times. I was supposed
to go to the airport, it didn't work out. I
had we had dinner plans one time that didn't work out.
I h the mountain times I was late to like
go pick up my kid because of it. Like so
many times, it's been like an actual issue and I'm like,
all right, well, let me take the other car, so
like that's why we use one or the other. And

(01:03:48):
I feel like, I don't know, I can't prove this,
but I feel like our vehicles are being targeted because
the Yaris is unharmed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Never I thought you said that you had an all
e V household.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
In Colorado, but the Yarts isn't in California.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
How do you know then? How do you know the
yards isn't being targeted.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Because Michael I had the yardist this year. It's just
since July it hasn't been here anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I wonder if it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Something to do with the type of tire.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Well, of course, I honestly, it's not even there. It's
it's somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Put a heck, somebody put a hex on me because
they're like, oh, he's an Elon lover. Get him?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Did you did you park on some burial ground at
some point?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I think this house was built like on the Navajos
or something like something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
On the nov Well, technically that's probably it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Or you know, Cheyenne is like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
There's you should burn something. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I tried. I tried burning stage appropriate burns, Chevy Jen one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Or Jen two, Chevy Bolt Randy and just let it
do its thing ill spontaneously canbust eventually, and uh, I
offer that as a sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I got the sage I was about to say, like,
I'm gonna feel really bad if I have to say
the joke again, because I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Know I could tell you you thought I was laughing
at both of your jokes, but you both lended it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
How diplomatic trying to trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
You, should you should run for office?

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Drew?

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
No, I'm too honest. But would a spare tire be
a variable for you on a future TV? Or is
it like, eh, are you are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Again? Is this a Tello question that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
You're not telling you? What's Tello? I don't know what
you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Shut up. I find out every every I said, episode,
every video I'm outside of my work Tello, which is
a startup company by the way. And then I'm like, yeah,
I know, I've known for the last year.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
I feel like everyone knows about us now. It's not
even like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
No, they'll know about you when auto Focus gets their
hands on whatever you got. Oh we're going just a
backup here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Auto Focus got to check out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Terra, dude, and he'll froze over.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
They didn't die yeah, no, but he.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Didn't have anything innately wrong to say, just like it's
not outs production. You know wat it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Oh yeah, I did, either of you watch review?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Absolutely, that's what I'm talking about. Art it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Maybe he was extremely centralist, he was center just is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
He was the most Andrew Yang guy I ever met.
And somehow I'm getting a thousand dollars a month now,
that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
He brought up some valid concerns about like the solar
dash being too shiny, too reflective, which is a valid like, yeah,
that's the problem. I actually had the same issue on
the Lucid gravity the hood. Even though it wasn't on,
it was still very reflective and it would go right
in your line of sight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
I was like, it's also reflective center screen in a
tesla unless you put a film on it. It can't
be that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Blinds me every day in the winter now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Sometimes I literally put my hand on the screen, yes,
because I can't see.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
You never do that. Does that have the problem because
he's not driving because his tires are oh right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
No, because I have as whatever on these prescriptions, so
nothing nothing in the way there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
I need that. How do I get that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Go to Costco?

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
You know, tera could probably fit a spare.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Yeah, it's and it's the only spare that could replace
thirty three of the wheels on the vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Oh my, but you get of the pothole whenever you're driving,
That's true. It becomes harder.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
To wait, Mike, say that again. Give me that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Pothole when you're driving.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
An apt terror or period.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Or because you have three wheels and you got a
wheel in the middle and wheels on the side, maybe
if you're really careful, you could you have to right
it between two wheels. It takes I'm getting used to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
But I thought about I never thought about potholes until
I lived out here, and and pothold pot potholes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
It is the Achilles heel to everything that like, every
time I hit a pothole, I I dialogue. I lose
faith in humanity just a little bit. I'm like, whoever
designed this? I hope I hope you stub your pinky
toe tonight. I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
This is why there's so many Rivians there, because the
Rivians have spares, don't they have like suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Wheels to you are on this spare.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Spare, Like, who else has done it? What other I
guess the lightning has a spare, but it's a lightning.
What's wrong with that? They stopped making him, did you hear?
Because no article that I read was I think it
was the supply and or they wanted to focus on
their gas and IVY while they were or sorry, gas

(01:09:34):
and hybrid internal combustion engine and internal combustion engine assisted
with EV Uh, wow, we're gonna get in so much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
This never happened under Biden.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Just oh. I know he wasn't a perfect president, but
the Biden era felt so much more uplifting for EV.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Was It blows my mind that it was doing well
under Trump as well, and then all of a sudden
him and his boyfriend broke up, and now all of
a sudden we all got a punished for it, Like
why is that our issue?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
It's like, so Elon got political and now our franks
get wet. You're what.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
The base model? Why it doesn't have a weather proof
frunk anymore? Doggy frunks for more expensive?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Thanks Elon, but hey, that's just a theory, a TV theory,
and guy's not even making content anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
That's right. Quit now you're quit making content?

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah, that's right, I mean when the ev spaces. Yeah,
this is hard, is that we got to go on
a hybernation.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Why are you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
So optimistic?

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Because I had a great time checking out the e
X thirty and ninety, and there's a bunch of stuff
to talk about that we didn't touch on this podcast.
Maybe we'll touch in the future. But has never looked
more complete.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
That's what I wanted to say about the Auto Focus review.
Like the floor mats.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Did they polish them up just for Marquez?

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Probably? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Yeah, there's no more ripples. It looks it looks stocked,
It looks like a car that would be delivered. I
was just like, I want that. That looks sick, that
looks awesome. I'm still waiting. I haven't canceled my pre
order yet. I haven't. Oh yeah I have one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I still have my APTURR reservation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Out of principle, I will never pre order anything ever again.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Yeah. Same.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
I learned my lesson with the RAM fifteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Oh yeah, I learned my lesson with you guys in
your canoes or your whatever else you were doing California,
whatever you did with Maybe maybe it was the sock.
I think I think it was just okay, whatever it was.
You guys were you guys were drinking some California contaminated
water and you're like, have you heard about this thing?

(01:12:23):
Walmarts endorsing it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
I've learned so much more about Canoe in the last
couple of months. It's insane. Haven't they been dead for years?
They have? But I figured out why. It's a lot
of other stuff that was going on, but investigative journalism apparently.
I realized it's getting late.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I want Johnny Harris over here. It's got you know,
the next great scoop?

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Canoe was cool. Yes, they were neat. I still want
Canoe to come out with their product.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Hey, did you know? My god?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
I feel like he's streaming more as a political podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
You know, people are getting pardoned. So that George Santos guy?

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Why is Trevor Milton behind me?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
What is that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Truck? No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Wow? How wait? Wait? Wait? Is that from the diner?

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
That's cool?

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
That's no, this is Look at that wheelbase, Mike, Look
how closed the wheel.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
This is great cyber compact as you can.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
But does it smell.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
This is the Wolverine edition.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Does it smell like regret? So the diner was good
experienced though, right, so people people who are Mike got
even know if you know this. Maybe you do, I
don't know, but uh, I was in California back in
July for the bows out in La specifically, uh for

(01:14:08):
at all. No, that's not the part. Shut up. I
Drew had tried to talk me to going to the
diner when I was there as it was opening, and
you did. Yeah, oh, Drew. You might not know this,
but you try to talk me into going to the
diner back in July when it opened, and I, uh,

(01:14:32):
I really wanted to go, and I didn't, so I forgot.
I was trying to go with it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Oh oh, you bring up for President so much. I
thought you would have left the diner.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
The Tesla bot that can't scoop popcorn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
We love Tesler. Yeah, at the White House tent sale,
come get your whatever happened to the roads?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Oh dang, he's right, I did texting him.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Oh gosh, Yeah, that's a lot of scrolling.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Man, good memory, Randy. You remember all my texts, even
to other people. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I know I remember a lot more than that, sir, But.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
I have no intention on going to that place.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
That's that's fair. It was very expensive and no, that
was the only negative. It was it was delicious food.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I'm surprised that you guys didn't want to good time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
That's how I couldn't lie. I I love to complain
about Tesla. I'm very good at complaining about Tesla, but
I can't lie that that chicken sandwich was incredible, as
were the tellosive fries.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
I'm oh my god, I have to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
That's true. And the smell.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
You guys don't get to smell what he's smelling right now?

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
But are you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Is that it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
No, it's just a natural bus.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
I don't have to a natural. Do you natural? About you?

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
But it almost made me like it gave me that
nostalgic glimmer of hope that I used to have back
in the early twenty twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
That was like Tesla's cool. Oh yeah, remember when Tesla
was like cool and like the fun brand. It felt
like that again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
The rebel, the misfits, the square pegs in the round hole,
the one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Different lights ran too. Your apartment, yeah in Malibu.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
I've never seen the office on such a large screen.
It was incredible, But then you upload the video and
you get all the comments and you're like, oh, yeah,
this is Tesla.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Now wait what does that mean? What did I miss?

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
It's just internet like you, it's become a very political thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Am I political? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Every turn?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Mondanie for mayor twenty five, that's his name.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
I don't have any idea what you're talking about. Podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Yeah, one of those final finals. These are both the
wrong podcasts are their final thoughts? Uh, before we wrap
this up?

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I am right, I'm reading you call right now?

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Are you looking up the comments?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
And the test of seventy five cents per kilobot hour
is criminal? I actually agree that is that is absurd.
Was it because you went there like at two o'clock
in the afternoon or what was that about?

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
I don't know if that was peak pricing? But uh, my.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Credits you rich. I haven't referred to anyone in like
six months, by.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
The way, because he's full of credits. That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
It's like this will become a meme. It's like Drew
at the end of the year, Tesla is terrible. Don't
buy any of these cars. They're just January first.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
So he's on the best options. Don't you want it?
In bloom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
They sure to hit the referral coats and get a
shout out on the next video, and.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Then when I hit the ten, it goes back to
the hate.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
This is a terrible company.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
I can't believe I said this as a joke. And
then my friend then I open up the YouTube APT
to read your comments and the guy I was talking
about who's running from mayor uh it came up as
a recommendation at the bucking here thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
It's listening. Obviously, that's not how that works.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
It is how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah. Is that why your is your battery dying so
quickly on your phone because it hears you so quickly?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Yes, no, it's I was twenty six wrong podcast on
my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
It is why we got to just put the podcast together.
I don't want to act like I'm saying hi to
you twice. Hey, so what's been new to you since
last year? Week?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Wink? Whatever, daytime, nighttime it is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
My wife just told me to be quiet

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
And with that on that to see you all later.