TFTS E26 : Some people you can listen to for hours...Storytime with St. Henry head football coach Tim Odom

St. Henry high school in Erlanger Kentucky is a 90 year old school with a storied past . . . except for a football program.  Well that all changed with the hiriing of Coach Tim Odom.  Coach is a storyteller and we could have listened to him speak for 3 hours.  Check out this episode where coach talks about his life as a Buckeye during Earle Bruce's tenure, his football coaching career, his vision for the new football program, and his love of the thrash metal band Anthrax


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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Martin Brett. I'm sitting here.I don't even know what today's date is.
It's the twenty seventh of March.Rule changes were just announced with the
NFL. Oh yeah, a bigdeal. It is a big deal.
Is a big and I don't wantto act like the old man on the
front porch, get the f offmy lawn. But how long is it
before like the game is unrecognizable?Like when I look at the Major League

(00:24):
Baseball game and I look at allthese different rules. I mean, how
long the tackle rule that I haveseen now? And I get it,
like you don't want anyone hurt,But how in the hell? I mean,
this is just becoming asinine with theamount of changes that is occurring for
rules. And I don't know,what do you what do you think?

(00:45):
I don't want to be an ass, but you tell me, Well,
the NFL is obviously doing something rightbecause their market value has just exploded over
the last several years, right,I mean they've gone from from being like
the big sport to by far thebiggest sport. Right, So say what
you want about the rules changes thatthey've made in the past. Everybody's watching

(01:10):
here. It is, it's it'sMarch, and we're talking NFL for a
reason. It's like it is whateverybody's gets excited about. I mean,
what are the what are the broadcastingrights just for the NFL draft? Right,
it's nuts. So they've made aton of rule changes, I think
to try to help the offense.Right, they want to see more points
on the board. They want tosee people, you know, score more

(01:32):
points. Everybody likes a long ball, but you still see games that are
thirteen to ten. Yeah, youknow, so, I mean I understand
what they're trying to do, butthe the hip drop tackle. If you're
a one hundred and eighty five poundcornerback and you got to tackle a guy
like you know, the nightmare,Yeah, I mean, what are you

(01:53):
going to do? I mean,you're just gonna now, you're just gonna
take his knees out. But ifhe's running by you, you're just gonna
let him go. You're just goingto try to grab him and hang on
to his freaking you know, hissleeps. I mean, how do you
tackle a guy if you can't dothat? If you're if it's as small
and a big and I get it, we get it. I'm not arguing
the fact that the NFL is themost popular game in the world and they're

(02:15):
doing something right. But how soonbefore anyone says, you know what,
this game is unrecognizable. How soonbefore we go you're looking at the kickoff.
Now, the kickoff was a jokefor the last two or three seasons.
That's a new rule, right,and I kind of I think that'll
be interesting. Bratt, what doyou think? You're kind of getting excited
over there? That kickoff rule isthe best rule change they could have done.

(02:38):
They could have made because Pat,let me ask you, what did
you do after a team kicked theextra point? What did you Patrick O'Connor,
What did you do when I wasa coach no last two years?
What did you do when you're watchinga game? Nothing? Go to the
bathroom, check my phone, getdisassociated. It was beer thirty for the

(03:00):
next seven minutes. You know why, because after the Pat media break,
kickoff, touchback, another commercial break, there was nothing to watch. Now
they have put that play back inthe game. This this morning, I
was listening to Dan Patrick yep andlisten to these stats they had on Darren

(03:24):
Rizzy, who's the special teams coordinatorfor the New Orleans Saints. This morning
on the Dan Patrick Show, hesaid last year there were two thousand wasted
plays in the NFL because of touchbacks. Think about that. Wow, it's
a wasted play. So one outof five kicks are returned. So you

(03:46):
as the consumer, going back towhat Martin just said, you're gonna sit
there and watch the game. Ifyou're going to the game, there's only
so many plays in a football game. Do you want to see? I
mean, it's the equivalent of takingthe knee on third and twelve. That's
what it is. It's a wastedplay to get to the next play,
which is going to be the punt. So now they're allowing teams to to

(04:09):
basically they're enticing teams to do this. So here's what they have done.
There is a landing zone, sothere's a couple couple of parts to it.
The kicker will be the only personon the thirty five yard line kicking
off or the thirty I'm not sureexactly. I know that, yes,

(04:30):
yes, five. And the reasonthey're doing this because there were so many
kickoff or touchbacks. So now whatthey've done is they've taken the kickoff team
the attacking you know, brads whoare going to run down, who are
going to run down and cover thekickoff. They're going to move up to
I believe it's the thirty yard lineof the of the return team in the

(04:54):
kickery, and so they will bestanding on the thirty yard line I believe,
Now I'm not. It could bethe twenty's okay. So the return
team is going to be I thinkten yards away from them, So it's
basically going to be one on one, one on one, one on one.
They're just going to be staring acrossfrom the guy across from them.
And so now when the kicker kicksthe ball all by himself and the ball

(05:15):
lands, they're enticing the ball toland between the goal line and the twenty
that's the landing zone. Once thereturner catches the ball, the kickoff team
can go down and attack and theblockers can go block for him, but
they can't move until the guy catchesit, right until the ball till the
guy catches the ball. So whatyou've done if they do move before the
guy catches it out a penalty.It's a penalty, yes, okay.

(05:38):
So now what you have done isyou have created another play that's very similar
to a run play or a screenin football, where you've got to work
off of the block, and they'veeliminated all these high speed collisions that are
hurting the product because these guys aregetting hurt. So now what they've done
is they've added an other play intothe game. Now here's where strategy comes

(06:01):
in the fact that you can nolonger have a surprise on side kick,
and everybody says, okay, wellwhat about the surprise on side. You
know how many surprise on side kicksthere were last year? No zero five?
Yeah, well what about the regularon side where it's not a surprise.
So that's now one on side.If you're down in the fourth quarter,

(06:24):
you have to declare we're going todo an on sidekick, and then
it goes back to the old rules, or they're going to line up and
they're going to do it on sidekick, so you have clai you have
to declare it. But you alsonow they've changed it up a little bit.
You can have an unbalanced formation,so you can have more than more
than five guys to one side ofthe kicker. So now it's more enticement

(06:45):
for the offensive. So last yearthere were there or no. In the
last five years, there were fifteensurprise on side. Do you know how
many were successful? Two two twoout of fifteen. So everybody saying,
well, you're taking the element ofsurprise out of No, you're not,
because it never works anyway. Dude, that just shows how big balls that
freaking the Saints hand when they're onsidekicked. Exactly, that's just exactly.

(07:08):
That's even to get an onside kickwhen it's not a surprise, the odds
are pretty astronomical. Right, here'swhat's ironic about all that on the yes
or yesterday. Well, this year, on the year that they're announcing these
changes to the kickoff, guess who'sgoing into the Hall of Fame this year.

(07:29):
Devin Hester of Chicago Bears fame.He was he basically made his career
as a kick returner. And Iheard a story today somebody was they were
going back and doing a flashback.They said, all along when the Colts
played played the Bears, Tony Dungeesaid, all week, lead, you're
all two weeks. We're not goingto kick it to Hester. We're not

(07:51):
going to kick it to Hester.We're not going to kick at the Hester.
Right before the game. They lookedat the weather conditions, he said,
screw it. Kick at the HesterHe ran it back for a touchdown.
Who was better to watch back inthe day, Remember Dante Hall?
Yeah, Devin Hester. Those twoguys are my favorite with men of all
time were Eric Metcalf. Holy crap. If you kids out there listening to

(08:13):
want to watch some highlights, pullup Eric Metcalf highlights. Yeah. Yeah,
but Pat, you're right with withwith the changes a few years back
they changed the rule of Okay,guys in the secondary can't go head hunting.
Well, guess what. People adaptedto it, and now that that's
that's that's the game. So youClint Eastwood sitting on your front lawn on

(08:39):
your porch, Yeah, you gotto learn to adapt. Yeah, I
can change. In high school.What drives me nuts in high school football
in Ohio is the past interference penaltyis that it's not an automatic first down.
If it's third five and you havea flagrant p I, all right,
fifteen yards, third and ten,like, that's the They need to

(09:01):
change that. What do we haveto do now somebody started playing, Well,
I'll tell you the way that theycan get around it is by calling
it unsportsman like conduct. That's howthey can get around it, because I
think I've mentioned it before. Twentythirteen, first game of the year,
Marymont playing Oakwood. We had adominant receiver in Oakwood, couldn't cover him,
and we threw the ball for overthree hundred yards that game, but

(09:22):
they took two maybe three touchdowns awayfrom us as our receiver ran by their
guy and he just reached out andgrabbed him and pulleding and took pass interference
calls. I mean it was thirdand third and fourteen and we're trying to
throw it deep for a touchdown andthey're like, screw it, what does
take a penalty and go on?And you know, but I think,

(09:43):
to me, something like that,if it's a blatant if it's a blatant
play like that, to me,that's on sportsman like conduct. So yeah,
just fix it. Make it automaticfirst. That's annoying. Agreed.
Agreed, But Pat, you knowyou talk about adjusting. Do you like
the pitch clock in baseball? Itell you what I don't like. I

(10:03):
don't like not being able to holdrunners on. I don't like, uh,
limiting what the defensive players can do. I do like the fact that
it kind of reminds. See,I loved eighties baseball. I loved eighties
major League baseball, Browning style,Tom Browning, you're pitching fans, you
got maddocks. It was just somuch fun to watch baseball back then because
you had hitting runs, you hitsteals, you hit all those different things,

(10:26):
and it was so exciting to watchbase running and it almost but like
now, like limiting defensive shifts andplayers not funning and playing. I really
just like small ball. I likethe strategy of it all, and I
like putting pressure on defense, andI like seeing that, and I like
the pitchcock but I don't like notbeing able to throw over. But like
nobody runs. But you've adapted toit, right, you didn't stop watching

(10:50):
that? Fine? Yeah, okay, so guess what. Guess what's going
to happen after three weeks in theNFL season of this this new abbreviated kickoff.
You're going to adapt to it.You're gonna move on there. It's
the hip drop thing that I've gotissue with. Yeah, the hip drops.
I'm not even sure if issue isthe right word. I just don't
understand. You're never going to preventpeople from getting injured in football. I

(11:11):
mean, the hip drop didn't seemlike there were guys every game going out
like you know, uh, Imean ask the Baltimore Ravens after Logan Wilson
got ahold of two guys last yearas them. So what did they say?
Now, hold on, what didthey do with the horse collar tackle?
It was proven to cause injuries,So guess what they did. They
took it out of the game.It's all about safety. You said it,

(11:33):
Martin. The NFL has exploded inpopularity. They're only as popular as
the product that they can put outfor entertainment. And if if you're Derrick
Henry and you're the you're the bellcalfor the Titans and a guy hip drops
and and breaks his ankle, guesswhat their run game has gone to shit?
I get it. I get it. But at the same time,

(11:54):
you're taking guys like Mike Singletary andLawrence Taylor they couldn't play today's game.
These are some of the greats thatwe put up on a pedestal. Tell
me, Lawrence Taylor couldn't play today'sgame. You're saying, you're saying that
the way that they played would wouldhave to do. Yeah, the way
that they played exactly, the killerinstinct part of it. The guys that
were just absolute, you know,just dogs. It's like, yeah,

(12:16):
I'm never gonna You're never gonna seeMike Singletary hip drop someone. Probably not
because he was trying to tackle theguy who was three yards behind him.
Remember that he said, don't tryto tackle the man, try to tackle
the man three yards behind him.Run through the tackle. Last rule chains
will talk about when are they goingto put in a shot clock in high
school basketball? You know, it'sa great question. Never is that ever

(12:39):
gonna happen. Never cost too muchmoney, cost too much money. You
need another official, You need toput in shot clocked, you need to
do all that. It would bereally, really hard. I would love
to see it a lot of Itwould be a lot of gyms, it
would It would change a lot ofshitty basketball. I'll tell you that.
So, uh, it would beIt would be fun. So do you

(13:03):
think do you think it would havehad as much impact as the three point
line did in high school basketball?Absolutely? I mean you're speeding up the
game. Absolutely, you'll have games, You'll have it'll be a different game
without a doubt, no doubt.In nineteen eighty six when they put in
the three point line in high schooland college, it totally changed the game.

(13:24):
Totally changed the game. And itit like we're saying with injury prevention,
if it's going to change the gameand make it a better product,
I'm all for it. Let's doit. Tails from the Script. That
is that is our that is ourgoal in the next year. Welcome to
Tales from the Script, a badapp Cincinnati high school sports podcast that features

(13:45):
local coaches and athletes. You're yourhosts, Brett Schneeber, Pat O'Connor,
and Martin Eisley. Okay, fellaws, Welcome to the next episode of Tales

(14:11):
from the Script. We got aninteresting guest here tonight. A good friend
of mine. I've met this guyabout twenty one years ago, ended up
coaching with him for three years.He is a football coach, another local
guys. That's what we do here. Yep, and hold on you coach
with him. I already feel sorrythis. I think I got it though,
I think I got it. Ithink I already know you don't have

(14:33):
squad. So he's actually a he'sa mower graduate from class inteen nineteen eighty
two. After graduating from Molwar,he went on up to Columbus, Ohio,
where he played football for the OhioState Buckeyes under coach Earl Bruce from
nineteen eighty two to eighty six.After that, he came back and he's

(14:54):
been a high school coach. Hewas the head coach at Simon Kenton over
Northern Kentucky. He's been in aassistant at Mouler at glenn Estie. Most
recently, as we've all got todo, he got the coach's two sons,
Jake and Bow as an assistant outat Lakota West, and just recently,
back in January, he was namedthe inaugural head football coach at Saint

(15:16):
Henry District High School. All right, guys, let me welcome in tim
odom coach. How we doing tonight? Doing fantastic, Brett, Thanks for
having me, no problem, coach. Congrats how pressive resume got there?
I don't know all that, AndI'll tell you this, so I work
probably probably a nine iron from SaintHenry's campus, and I could tell you

(15:39):
the the juice that is happening onthat campus and on those grounds has been
absolutely amazing. The construction. Thereis not a whole lot of fun on
that road, but oh my god, the campus, the juice, what
you're going to add to the what'sgoing on at school is going to be
absolutely amazing, so cool. Sowe're really fired up. We've got a

(16:00):
football committee that's really got the ballrolling about two and a half years ago,
starting to raise money and uh youknow, got a turf field put
in and uh you know, withfootball lines and numbers, and got put
gold post in it. And theyhadn't even announced at that point that they're
really going to do it. Souh yeah, I mean it's it's they've

(16:21):
done it first class and Grant Brandonand Jim Demmler grants to the principal and
Jimmy's the uh uh a d arejust fantastic guys. I've known Jimmy forever.
My dad taught him how to teeththrow a curve in high school.
He pitched at North Kentucky and hepitched at Dixie for dad, and he
taught him out of teeth or taughthim how to throw a curve in a

(16:42):
in a uh four seam fastball.So I've known Jimmy since he was a
kid. But anyway, they they'vedone a great job. We're we got
a beautiful stadium, beautiful facility.We just did some work in our weight
room, and it's fantastic, youknow. I I I was lucky enough
to go over and meet me.I was lucky enough to go over and

(17:03):
meet with Tim back in. Iguess it was a few weeks after you
got hired, and he gave mea quick walk through campus tour. And
as you mentioned, the facilities overat Saint Henry, they are impressive.
I mean they really are. Andjust to have the foresight two years ago
to put that stadium in and togo for a school that doesn't even play
football at the middle school or highschool level, to put lines on it,

(17:26):
to line up for football, toput the goal post up number one,
it's a it's a money generator.To be able to rent the field
out for teams, to be ableto use on weekends, different youth programs
and all that, because everybody knowsthere's a shortage of facilities all across the
city. But then just to havethe foresight thinking, hey, you know
what, maybe someday we will havea football program. Let's go ahead and

(17:48):
do this stadium the right way.They're doing a really nice thing over there,
Yeah they are. You know,it's crazy as the is the impact
of enrollment. You know, allthe Catholic schools are all diminishing remote and
enrollment in one way, shape orform. And we just had our biggest
class, our freshman class coming innext year. It's got like one hundred

(18:11):
I think I think we're at likeone hundred and sixty three kids. Normally
we're at like eighty eighty five.So and we still and we still have
them applying. So I don't know. We we thought we were going to
cap it at one forty nine,but you know tuition. I mean I
I came in, I said,guys, I mean we're Catholic school,
right, I mean we don't haveceilings, we you know, just standing

(18:33):
at the door and give them thetear once the kids walk out out the
kids and give them an extra fivedollar bill every Friday on the way out
the door, right, pile themin, sent them in each other's lap.
Whatever. So anyway, Uh,it's it's been the reason why the
program was put together is because wefelt like it would help enrollment, or

(18:56):
they felt like it would help inenrollment at that time. I mean there's
all other kinds of you know,reasons, but if brass tacks are that
they needed more kids and it's payingoff dividends big time. Yeah, you
beat me to the punch, coachfrom Marty Eisley here, I was going
to ask what the enrollment is currentlybecause it's a coded school. Let's give
a little background to our listeners.Yeah, yeah, I don't know what
year Saint Henry's was established, butit's an older school, right, Like,

(19:19):
give us a little it's it's ninetyyears old, so and it's been
playing at a high level with anysport that it does academically whatever. I
mean, we've got four trophy casesthat are just full of trophies. I
mean, we win at everything.He's not exaggerating, fellas. I mean,

(19:40):
he gave us the tour and heshowed me here's a trophy case,
here's another trophy case, and it'severy sport besides football and but he I'm
pretty confident Tim's going to start addingto it. But yeah, go ahead,
Tim, I mean I just hadno that's it's it's just amazing.
I mean that the cross country andsoccer and volleyball. I mean they're just
stacked in like right next to eachother. I mean, bam bam bam,

(20:02):
bam, bam, bam bam bam, you know, for every sport.
And then we got the same thingfor you know, academic awards,
and you know we've got we werethe only Blue ribbon national Blue Ribbon school
and I think in approxial school innorthern Kentucky for sure, but I think
it might even be in full state. So I mean what it's all about,

(20:25):
right there, coach, Yeah,Yeah, that's awesome, cath A
good tend your to win when yougot kids that are putting in that kind
of work in the classroom me andare going to have some hard workers the
weight room, in the gym andeverywhere else. Right. Yeah, well,
Marty, it's cool that you broughtthat up because we've got ninety year
history of great academics, which isfantastic, like you said. But one
thing I really didn't realize when weuh when I took the job and we

(20:48):
first discussed the size of the school, and it's four hundred and twenty five
boys and girls. I think we'relike a two oho five boy So we're
officially could be a single school,but we know we're are enrollments going up,
so we chose to go to twoA in the realignment. But back
to what I was saying about,you know the academics in the ninety year

(21:08):
history, we also have ninety yearsof basketball DNA in this place. And
I mean I walk around and youknow, I'm six. I used to
be six three. I think aboutsix one and a half now. I
don't know how that happened, butI walk around, I'm looking up.
I mean there's girls walk in thehall that are taller than I have.

(21:29):
There are volleyball players. I mean, we've got I mean, it is
truly a unique place. And soso if I'm a kid and I'm listening
right now, I want to knowa couple of things. Tell me about
I get you get to design theuniforms, in the logo, what you're
going with, coach me, giveme some and all the equipment, the
whole program is all going to bebrand new. It's like even the incoming

(21:52):
kids are going to get brand newgear. Right, Yep, that's got
to be a selling point. Kidsgot to love that. Yeah, So
we've got the four hundred dollars speedflex helmets, we've got the top of
the line, pro level shoulder pads. I mean, every everything that these
guys have bought equipment wise is liketop top notch. And we've also got

(22:15):
all the way down through our middleschool program, which is brand new.
I mean, we're going to playsix, seventh and eighth grade tackle football,
first time in school's history too.So all of our feeder schools fill
into one youth league and we goteighty two or eighty four kids signed up
right now sixth grade through eighth grade, and that and our eighth grade class
is going to be really good.Our eight three classes loaded and you'll take

(22:38):
on like CUPCAF and we travel acrossthe river and who else would you tell?
Who are those eighth graders the juniorhigh program? Who they play?
Oh yeah, so that's we wereinvited to come over across the river and
do like CUFCAF is doing. AndI assume the Cyo League. Yeah they
call it the DSL but GYL Gwhile okay, so anyway, but we

(23:03):
weren't. We didn't really believe thatwe were gonna end up having the kids
that we had. Uh So webasically are trying to play three different divisions
over in three different leagues over herein eighth grade division, seventh grade division,
then what they call JV. Sothat we can get all three grades
played, that'd be great. Now, coach, let me ask you talk
about the ninety year history. Isthere a reason that there wasn't football in

(23:26):
the past. Was it just landor whatever? Was there reason in the
past. Yeah, I don't knowthat history. They were it's a small
school and it's an old it's anold parish church that's been remodeled a couple
of times. I would reckon.But the whole thing K through twelve when
I was growing up, was overthere at the parish campus. So I'm

(23:48):
assuming it was, you know,just landlocked, inner city kind of Catholic
school. You know, it's elshereand Erlanger, you know, working class
families, tough guys Erlanger. Lloyd'sthe the school, which is it's kind
of an urbanized Beachwood. I mean, it's it's a small school. The
community has supported it forever. Theyjust keep reproducing athletes in that area.

(24:11):
So they already had you know,Lloyd doing that, and I think that
it just they didn't think it wasfeasible. But twenty years ago they put
out the new building out here nearthe airport up Commonwealth on the other side
of two seventy or seventy five.And now we you know, we've got
a lot of land with a lotof facilities. And with that, we'll

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as I was introducing you, Isaid that you're a molar grad. And

(25:41):
while I can't take that away fromyou, your roots are not are not
in Deer Park, Silverton, youknow, Madeira Kenwood. Your roots are
actually in Northern Kentucky. You wereone of the I guess exceptions to the
rule. And I don't seem tosay you're breaking a rule, but an
exception back in the in the lateseventies and early eighties when you actually grew
up in Northern Kentucky, lived inNorthern Kentucky and went to More. How

(26:04):
did that work? And and youknow, how did you end up with
More as opposed to one of theschools in Northern Kentucky. Well, it's
kind of interesting that you bring thatup, because we have a youth league
over here, the n K YFLthat's been around forever, and we played
Me and seven other guys played youthleague football for the Fort Mitchell Spartans.

(26:29):
And there was a group called theBengal Tigers. Right, So a guy
by named Dave Gin was a linebacker, running back man even a year older
than my group coming up, playedfor the Bengal Tigers. And I don't
know if you remember that name.Or not. But Dave went to L's
Ale and played linebacker at Less Southand was an All GCL. I think
he started two years there. That'sback when you know, you guys used

(26:52):
to play down at the what wasthe name of that sac stret Yeah,
yeah, that's yeah. That's thefirst time I got to start against you
guys. We played over there,but I got to play the last game
there my sophomore year because I gotcaught up the varsity while these two schmucks
are up in those students. Anyway, go ahead, So anyway, uh

(27:15):
so David went over there and wewere looking for a school to go to,
and uh Cuffcath was terrible at thattime, and New Cath was you
know strong, but they were youknow, on the other side of the
Licking and that just seemed like onehundred miles away. Montgomery felt like it
was closer than Newport. So it'sjust really really highlands. You know,

(27:40):
they're all you know up there ontheir mountain. Then if you can't get
in there, you can't get inthere. So we didn't have a whole
lot of opportunities. And then sowe were all kind of scheduled to go
to Dixie and Dave Browning was thehead coach and then he he left to
start the Scott program. Uh,and they brought in a guy that should
have never brought in and that guywasn't very good. And because of that,

(28:03):
we all decided we weren't going togo to Dixie. One of our
dads worked over near Montgomery and said, hey, I think they got a
pretty good football program over here.You want to check it out. They
were okay back then. Yeah,we showed up and and Fuzzy gave us
the tour and you know, nextthing, we were wearing blue and gold.
And what year did you graduate again, coach eighty two. I'm trying

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to think my father in law wasa freshman coach there in that era.
I'm wondering he may have been goneby then. But Jim Doherty was coaching
teaching at Moeler back in the lateseventies early eighties. He left just before
I came in. Actually, smallworld, So you got but Saint Henry's
the Crusaders. Also, that's yourmassa. That's kind of ironic. Oh
yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. Well, you know, it's funny

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because my brother Steve, who welost in November on Thanksgiving Day. He
was playing at Dixie Heights High Schooland was a really stud linebacker getting ready
to go to West Virginia. Andit's near the end of the season.
It was after practice and I knewhe was leaving and I was going to
end up, you know, lookingfor a head coaching job. And he

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said, hey, big brother,if you know, if you ever got
your dream job, what would itbe. And thinking that, you know,
he's probably think I'd say, likeMulbert, Ohio State or whatever.
And I said, you know what, little brother, if Saint Henry every
started a football program, I'd wantto be a back guy. Now that's
awesome. That was That was thirtyfive years ago, almost to the season,

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because that would have been November.We had that conversation that here I
am so great. So coach,you mentioned that you moller Ohio State and
you know wins were hard to comeby. I would assume, uh,
I joke, I joke. Soyou're building this program, culture everything.

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Tell me like, if you like, what are you learning, what are
your main goals your mission as you'restarting off this program. Well, you
know, I got out of football, out of coaching. I had a
business and a couple of businesses Iwas running, and I got out of
coaching for about fifteen years, andI just kind of felt like something was
missing. So I started falling aroundthe different programs and just trying to you

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know, we're at football. We'reat football gone in the last fifteen years,
especially with COVID and all that.And I was really surprised, not
that we don't have, you know, excellent coaches and guys aren't working hard
or anything like that, but itwas just different. You know, it
was very There was a lot ofvery young guys. The football knowledge that

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we all grew up with our coacheshaving was behind, you know. But
we had guys like, you know, I mean the Middletown's creating a run
and shoot. You know, RoyLucas, who's the run and shoot quarterback
is when I'm coming up, isthe head football coach in Newport High School,
you know. So I mean Iwas lucky to have all that and
you guys were the same way.Well, I made a decision that wherever

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I go program wise, if Iwherever you know, I get, I
get I Land, I'm going tomake sure that you know, I bring
a little bit of the old schoolyou know, football coach. And I'm
not talking about the you know,spitting blood and all that kind of thing.
I'm talking about a really knowledgeable guythat was there for the kids.
And I've been convinced since then,since I've started this journey that you know,

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God put me here to form youngmen, and football, wrestling and
weightlifting is the is the platform thatI use. And so when you talk
about our mission, our mission isto take every young man that comes into
this program and turning him into orhelp his parents turn him into, and

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form him into a first class citizenand a member of the community. We
want him to be great dads andgreat fathers and great sons and employees and
employers and whatever they do, wewant them to strive to be the best.
That's the same thing I did atSimon Kenton when we rebuilt that program.
It was only at Glenn Sty oneyear, but it's what we did
there and that's what we did everyday at Molar. So that's our mission

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is We're here to uh to makeour kids the best versions of themselves.
Now, Tim, you mentioned youknow, the coaching aspect of things.
How have you gone about assembling astaff, because as a two way program,
you're not going to have a staffthe size we had Molar back in
the day when it seemed like wetrip over each other on the sideline.

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There were so many guys. You'regoing to have a small staff, and
you're probably going to have to haveguys that coach both ways. So how
have you gone about vetting assistants andwhat's your staff looking like right now?
Well, right now, we've goteight assistant coaches. I wanted My dream
when I first got the opportunity wasto have three older coaches, you know,

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like Jeff Marksberry, Noel Rash,you know, that guy that wasn't
a head coach anymore, and havethem come in and bring that just solid
you know, they didn't want tobe a head coach, you know,
they didn't want to have to doall the administrative you know work and all
that. But to bring them infor their knowledge, their poise, their
charisma. Uh, and then havethree guys that were going to basically be

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their gas. Three young guys likethe guys I saw on the sidelines for
all those months that I was watchingother teams play, and that they could
learn from those guys and they woulddo every crap job that that those three
guys needed to be done, andthen bring in three guys that were members
of the community, had coached peewee level football, but also had coach

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at the varsity level, and uh, those guys you know, we're bringing
I wanted to bring in to bementors for the incoming kids. And he
transfers any freshmen or whatever, becauseas you guys know, you guys came
out of you know, Catholic schools. I came not only you know,
as a hillbilly across the river,but I went to a public school.

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So you know, if you're apublic school and we're going to have to
have public schools compete with Beechwood,we're gonna have to have those kids here
in our school. You got atransition period when you get to a high
school anyway, but when you goto a Catholic high school, it's a
big deal. So that was theplan. I've got the three guys at
the lower level, and they're fantastic, and they're starting to split up our
freshman class incoming class by three,and they're each one going to have four

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or five kids or not. It'sgoing to end up being about eight kids
to mentor all the way through theirfreshman year, and then they'll turn them
over to the seniors the next yearand they pick up another group. I've
got two young guys, their brothers, Marty and Michael Maloney. Marty's still
the all time leading rusher at DixieHeights High School. I played with his
dad and uncle and at the Spartansand youth football, so I've known the

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family forever. And then I gotDave Campbell, who was the head coach
at Scott but prior to that,he was defensive coordinator many years at Georgetown
and was a part of all theirnational championship teams there. Dave is that
retired know head coach, So uhthat's what we've got. And uh oh,

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I forgot. I brought ron Davistoo. I can't believe I forgot
that. Ronnie and I've played footballtogether when we were five, and I've
known each other forever. He playedit more, was a captain, and
my senior year with me. Heplayed at Eastern Kentucky, was a starting
linebacker. Ronnie just retired out ofhis job and he's going to be our
offensive and defensive our offensive line coach. And uh, he'll be coaching defensive

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linebackers or line one the other.So anyway, I got all guys that
are football, guys that were greatplayers. Uh they've done great things in
the community with you football in thatbut uh, we haven't. I haven't
gone after guys like hey, Ineed a I need a wide receiver coach,
and I need I just got greatguys because we don't know what we

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need right It's we're brand new,like like Pat was saying. So I
just grabbed the talent I could graband and I prayed to God. I
said, God, you send them. You put my old ass here.
I would have been a lot betterthirty five years ago. You know,
it's your job to carry the loadbecause I'm not. This one ain't on

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me. So anyway, he's sendingme people. And it's fantablic Yesterday we
had coaches meeting and Bill Samod whowas a star running back over at Connor
and a really great athlete North Kentuckyback in the late nineties early two thousands.
He is a Boom County sheriff andhe was just talking to a buddy
of his. It's a former FBIanalyst, and you know, a really

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rock solid guy, strong Catholic,he says. Billy says, can I
just come over and be the waterboy? And I had just been talking
to somebody about the plan that weneed managers. Man, why I got
to get this whole school involved,and we need a manager for every coach.
I said, Bill, tell himto get over here, and let's
develop a managerial program. Because thoseguys have better of college experiences than any

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of us had up there getting paid. They're going to the same parties,
hanging out with the same guys,flying the same planes, going to They're
not in there getting laid out thehospital with Jack the knife, you know,
cutting their limit ligaments. All yeah, I said, that's the job
I want, you know what Imean. So anyway, you know,
he's going to come out of thecommunity and help us put that together.

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So that's a long way of saying, we're taking what God brings us.
That's great. And you mentioned thirtyfive years forty years ago. And I'm
not going to bore everybody with anx's and o's. What kind of offense,
what kind of defense. I'm ofthe opinion that in high school you
can win with a lot of differentstyles right, whether you're running, you
know, wing tea or spread themout like Anderson does. You can win

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ball games if you're efficient and youpractice correctly. Right, How had the
practice scripts changed like in twenty twentyfour compared to say ten or fifteen or
twenty years ago. How are youapproaching like what you're going to do in
practice? Uh? You know,it's it's since Brett's It's kind of interesting.
Brett's on the on the line forus because I'm laughing because I know

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I kill him, Kill him,Please kill him. So you know,
I don't want to sound like I'mbeing over confident or anything. All right,
So now coaches out there listening,just hey, just let this go
in one ear out the other.But I think Brett would would would agree
we were about twenty years ahead ofmost of what was going on in high

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school football when we were running theoffense at Moler in two thousand and one
to two thousand and five. Hoot, you're going to make fun of him,
You're complimenting them. That's backfired onme. Well, all I can
say is is that you know Ihad to coach quarterbacks because he couldn't ugly

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center? Right? Who hates quarterbacksand I have to coach him up.
But I was coaching the freshman holdersis what I was coaching. No,
But seriously, it was such agreat time because Brett and I were in
there scheming it up. My dadhe's just going nuts because you know we're
in there putting in this and doingthat, and you know we're hours and
hours into it, and Dad hasalready got his line graded, he's given

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out the Lineman Award. You know, he's walked them through the game plan
for next week. He's tapping histoe on the on the floor, like,
you know, let's get out ofhere. And we haven't even put
down one thing that we're supposed todo. So so we're we're in a
position to where that part of ithasn't changed a whole lot for us.

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We're going to prepare game. We'regoing to prepare for Friday night games pretty
much the same way Brett and Idid it back then. First thing we're
going to do to go back tothe offense defense part. We're playing what
our kids can play. I wentto a clinic, a Swafka clinic back
when Sean Alexander was at Alabama andthe offensive coordinator came in. SHAWNA.

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Than was a sophomore. H camein and did a talk, you know
about what they were doing down there, and they said, uh, you
know, and I had no coaches. You guys all love Sewan Alexander and
he's the greatest. He's the greatesttailback in all of college football. Too
bad we don't play a tailback offense. And I was looked around. I
thought, this is dumbis sob I'veever heard of Boone County will kill you

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for talking like that about but notfor playing Sean right to your audience.
Right, But does anybody ever sayI've got the greatest I got the greatest
general in the world, but youknow what, he's an army guy and
we only fly, you know whatI mean? Dude, you know nobody
does that, right. I gotthe greatest quarterback, but we only panned

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the ball off, you know.So from way back then, I've always
believed that you you do what yourkids can do, you know. And
uh, interesting, when we wereat Moler, we had some really really
special kids, but we had wehad a lot of guys that we're really
working their butts off just to makeit to the starting lineup every week.
So we had to work with themand support them and give them things they

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could do, not ask them todo things they couldn't. So that's the
offense we're going to run, andthat's the way we're going to prepare.
So and so when the football startson Saint Henry's campus, I think I
read for JV next year. Isthat correct? Yes? Awesome? Awesome.
Yeah. So we've got ten JVgames now, and I've got two

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freshmen only games schedule. I'm tryingto get another four. I'm hoping to
get a hold of mcnick and they'regoing to play us in JV ball.
I'm hoping we can get them infreshman ball. I don't know what's going
on in Purcel, but you know, maybe Bacon, you know, we'll
play us a freshman only game.I'm not so worried about our freshman kids
going up against other freshman teams aslong as they're freshmen only, because they're

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all kind of starting right, youknow, they're all learning everything new,
So there's even if the physical GAP'shuge, it's not so huge that our
kids are going to get hurt orembarrassed. So I just want to get
them on the field as much aspossible. So we got an eight quarter
rule and that's what that's what we'regoing to do. The freshmen that are
coming in, what is the majorityof their background? Has it been soccer?

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Has it been nothing in the fall? Has it been prepping for basketball?
Has it been lacrosse? Has itbeen flag football? Like, you
know what kind of client tele areyou dealing with here? Well, we've
got a flag We're starting a flagleague. This is second year we've had
it in the spring. Just togive you an idea. We start April
the tenth with our first set ofgames, and we'll have three hundred and

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fifty six kids here on campus playingflag football every Wednesday night for eight weeks.
We did a fall league two andwe had two hundred and ten or
something like that. In the fallleague. We got eighty kids that are
we're going to play tackle football forus in the fall. Obviously, we're
a basketball school and we've been avery very successful basketball school. Dave Foulsto
is an amazing coach. I mean, I'm just I'm in all of him

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and I think last year he hitsor two years ago it was six hundred
and seventy one wins. I couldbe off on that, but he's had
a ton of wins and has builta great basketball program. They play hard,
they place fast. You would lovethem, Brett. I mean they
get in the lane, they cutoff the baseline. I mean they don't
they get after it. It soundslike you got some pretty good potential wide

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receivers and dvs and that kind.Yeah. You know, so I finally
got out there and started recruiting thosekids, because you know, I've only
been here basically eight weeks officially,and we've been busy getting other things done.
And we've got right now about eightbasketball players that are going to give
football a shot. And we've gota six to seven kid, a six

(43:43):
six kid kid. I got twofreshmen, well, one freshman at six
four, another freshman that's going tobe a freshman at six six. So
I got we got height everywhere,So you know, I got I got
Tyler Derkers who played for US atMouler was a basketball player up in Miami.
I got like four of them.You know, We're going to take
advantage of that where baseball school aswell, so our kids can pitch and

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catch. They can pitch catch andjump, and they're tall, so I
just got to teach them how toplay football. Make it exciting. So
coach, what are the workout rulesas far as springball, as far as
summer when it comes to Kentucky,we get three weeks to have ten practices,
so we're gonna start and win well. And what I really don't know

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when anybody can start. We're startingon April twenty third. We're gonna go
Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday night. The first week, we're gonna do
Saturdays. Can we do a longpractice and we can do a lot of
walk through and just a lot ofthinking and coaching and talking. Following week,
we're gonna go Monday or Tuesday,Thursday, and then on Friday,
we're going to have a youth footballcoaches clinic for all the youth. We

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got like sixty schools now to playeither some type of youth football here in
northern Kentucky. So I'm hoping toget a bunch of those guys there.
Friday, we're gonna have that clinic. The next day we're going to practice.
We're gonna have those coaches on thesidelines watching my coaches put our kids
through drill, and then the followingweek we're going to do Tuesday, Thursday,
and then Friday night, we're gonnastart practice at eight pm and we're

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going to turn the lights on andwe're gonna go to ten o'clock because I
got to get these parents to understandhow to do a football game. So
I get them coached up. Sowe're going to have a tailgate group or
a tailgating competition, and the assistantcoaches walk through there and eat everybody's food
and then pick a winner. Andthat's awesome. So they're probably open for

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any bribes if there's anybody who's goingto listen to this as a parent or
whatever. But you know, it'san event, so I gotta teach them
that too, right because the othersports, lacrosse, baseball, you know,
in high school, they're not theevent that Friday night lights are,
you know. So here's what youneed to do, Tim. You need
to get a hold of n Youneed to get a hold of Ken Brew
and have him come out and bethe guest taster, a guest judge on

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the Best Hamburgers because that was alwayshis stick on Friday nights. When when
when the the Blitz would go,you know, live on campus somewhere,
and they always do a live shotof him eating the cheeseburger up at the
concession stand. You need to geta hold of ken Brew and have him
come out. I think ken Brew, I think it was him that I
saw Like it was once take thelittle drum kit off of the kid from

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the band and strap it over hisshoulders and the dude could play. He
was in those like I was like, oh my gosh, this guy's got
some expirits. I thought it wasjust going to be a gag. He
was pounding those that that uh thatdrum like he knew what he was doing
too. It was kind of cool. Like, yeah, I forget who
he does, but he does someradio on Saturday mornings, and I forget
which one he does, but hedoes rock history. He mingles into rock

(46:42):
history. He knows the stuff.He knows stuff Sunday Sunday Morning Sports Talk
on on seven hundred. Yeah,he throws it, throws some juice.
I like that. Yeah, Igotta bring the g C l over here,
you know, I gotta get thatgal Field. I got you know
what I mean. We're not gonnahave a pit, right We don't have
that. We're not that fortunate.But we got to find some way to

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set ourselves apart and hopefully we canbe the uh, you know, the
leader over here and really bringing youknow, the great you know sausages that
I just you know, when Iwas coaching, we went when I went
to Moler coach, I thought Idied and gone to heaven because you know,
you can go to go to theElder and it's right there in the
end zone. They got the greatestsausages and you know, hot dogs and

(47:24):
things like that, and I'm stuffin my face. I'm going I'm going
in at the in the game attwo fifty, I'm coming out of two
eighty, you know, from fromall and I got to have that here.
It's just yeah, you got toget preached on the sideline smoking cigars.
We got to get you got toget some of that going. They
gets the ingredient though, for thesuccessful tailgate. You know, the biggest

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ingredient is is double us. Right. Yeah, you get a winning program
in there, the people will comeup and there. Okay, that's right.
My job is get them. Everybodyelse got to take care of the
rest. That's tim You may not. You may not remember this, but
two thousand and three or two thousandand four weren't more and we go over
it might have been the first gameat Stexas Stadium. We go over to
Saint X and it was year threeor four, I don't remember. But

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more. You know, obviously theirtheir colors are white and blue and gold
and all that. And uh,we were wearing white pants when we were
over there playing at this one time. And I remember a couple of the
players are like, what the hell, why is there mustard on my pants?
Well, your two sons, Bowand Jake are sitting on the side,

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sitting on the bench pregame stuff oftheir faces with hot dogs, and
they had all these mustard packets theyand they didn't use the ball and they
threw them on the ground. Wasthe players are running by, they're stepping
on these mustard packets and it's squirtingall over the place. And these guys
had mustard stains on their pants.And I'm telling you, Chris Mangers and
I we still laugh about that tothis day. A Bow and Jake they

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were probably at the time they wereprobably I don't know, ten and fourteen,
somewhere down there eight and twelve whateverit was. Your boy was just
they were in hog Heaven. Man. Yeah, yeah, no, that
that makes sense. I wouldn't doubtthat. Well, hey, let's go
back to those times because you mentionedthat, you know, you you had
been you had a couple of businesses. You're not just a football coach.

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But you took your experience at OhioState, your degree there. You originally
got into education, but then youpretty much got smart and to side,
the education wasn't for you and youwent into business. So talk a little
bit about your backgrounds as an entrepreneurand how you've kind of parlayed that and
been able to balance being a businessperson, being a being a boss,

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being an employer, and how thatcorrelates to being a head football coach.
Okay, so, uh, itkind of became just an assess with my
wife and I you know, madethe decision that she was going to stay
home until all the kids were wellinto elementary school. So we were living
off of one, you know,one paycheck. My first year at Dixie,

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I was, uh, I justwas defensive linebacker coach and a history
teacher. And I was a firstyear guy, and I think I made
like eleven thousand bucks and I hadtwo hundred and forty dollars a month in
insurance payments. You know. Bythe time I left Simon Kenton, I
was at football coach, weight roomcoach, head track coach, had wrestling

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coach, running a weight program,dean of students, and I know something
else in between there and I wasmaking like thirty three thousand a year and
I had almost a four hundred dollarsfamily you know, insurance payment every month.
So it was just I just Iwent to Ohio to glenn Estie because
I thought the money would be better. It was a little bit better,

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but not much. I spent oneyear, one year at Moeler as a
as a just a regular teacher andassistant because they had free insurance. But
I only made like thirty three yearthirty two there. And my wife just
finally pulled me to the side.She said, I don't know if you're
realizing this or not, but thisain't working. And uh uh, so

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I got an offer for a salesjob. I was the vice president of
sales because and I was the onlysalesman, which fit me perfect. So
I had one guy to blame.So uh, you know, and I
went into a weld shop, youknow, just as a salesman. I
walked in back into the shop thefirst day, smelled that welding smoke,
and and realized that, holy crap, I got a scare. I got

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a scoreboard, and uh, I'vegot my own effort. I don't have
anybody in front of me or behindme that's impeding me. And I just
turned it into a football game andsold on a couple million dollars that first
year. And and uh, fiveyears later, I had tried to buy
that guy's business. I left hisbusiness, went to another place, try

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to buy that business, because boththose guys were out to retire and they
were eating their cash up. Andboth of them laughed at me. And
then I went and said, well, hell, if they can do it,
I can do it. I wentdown the basement and started a fab
shop, you know, faking untilI make it, you know, subbing
all the workout. I was doingall the invoicing, all the all the
engineering, all that stuff. Andtwo years later I bought both those businesses

(52:08):
for twenty seven thousand dollars. SoI worked out all right for me.
And then the rest of it,I just worked as hard as I could
work and grind as hard as Icould grind, and you know, we
ended up selling that business for agood amount of money. And you know
that's that's the gist of it.In any kind of great like you know,

(52:29):
Heaven's opened up and the angel sayingor anything like that, and just
my wife said, this ain't workingfor me. And you know, my
wife, I'm not going to letthat walk away. So so you know,
I figured, you better get theyou better get the work, big
boy. So that's what I did. How I would have paid to have
been a fly on the wall.When Rita Odem pulled him aside and said

(52:51):
we need to have a talk,I could see that was pretty much probably
a one way discussion right there.One way conversation, yes, ma'am,
somewhere in there. Yeah, coachone of the things. So I left
teaching and coaching and went into kindof the business world. Did some sales
h kind of similar to to whatyou're doing, and I kind of and

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I feel, I know that thelove language that you speak as a coach
is very similar to what you haveto learn in the sales world. You
have to learn quickly how to speakto certain individuals on why they're gonna buy,
why they're not gonna buy, allthose different things. But for the
most part, we are still whowe are. So my question kind of
goes back to, like that history, you know, being a needed to
grad and now you're in charge ofyour own program, not that you weren't

(53:36):
before, but like, now you'restarting this, who are your influences,
Who are your influences you know growingup? And who do you still feel
like? God, I can hearthat coach talking and through me now yeah.
Yeah. So first of all,just to piggyback on what you said,
I believe that every entrepreneur especially,but every salesperson and every manager in

(53:57):
any business. So I to haveto coach high school for fotball for at
least four seasons if you could,and if you take what you learned doing
that to a work site, youcan make it happen. Because you're right,
it's all about people, and it'sabout making people better and it's about
finding victories for everybody. And there'sno other place to get trained better net
than as a football coach. Butas far as influences, you know,

(54:20):
obviously, my dad's will be seventynine in July. He's the head offensive
line coach at Ryle who you know, just got beat by Brian Station,
who ended up state runner up thisyear. He's I thinking like his forty
seventh year or something like that,because he started coaching really young at the
Fort Mettell Spartans. He was avarsity line coach my senior year at Bowler

(54:44):
and he's been at He's been atPrinceton, he's been at Simon Kenton,
he was at Dixie, He's atBolt or Lakota West, Indian Hill with
Row and everywhere he's gone, he'shad at least one you won offensive lineman.
And he's had a handful of kidsor guys playing the pro. As

(55:04):
matter of fact, Ryan Kelly's thecenter for the Colts. Played for Dad
at West and Dad is the onethat talked him into going to center and
that's why he's you know, heended up in Alabama's because he was a
five position player. So Dad,you know, obviously it's a tremendous influence,
especially when it comes to people.You know, Dad has a real

(55:27):
knack for looking at somebody and immediatelyseeing what they can be rather than what
they are. You know, weI'll give you another example. So you
remember Tenant, Brett Matt Tennant.So Matt's a defensive defensive line. He's
a six seven kids sixty six kid, you know, well at least six
y five, okay, and he'sa two sixty two seventy guy, a

(55:52):
little stiff, played high. ButI was going to say he stood straight
up and ran straight up field everyplay. Yeah, he was a pulling
guards dream is what he was.So but anyway, you know, the
defense, the defense didn't want him. I mean, he wasn't going to
play. So Dad said, well, I'll take him. And then Dadda
had to convince his dad that thiswas going to be an okay move.

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And if my dad isn't at MowerHigh School at that time, then Matt
Tennant, as a senior, sitson the sideline as a second string six
foot six, two hundred and seventypound defensive end. He plays for dad.
He goes to Boston College on afull ride, ends up starting three
years in all acc and then playsfor the Saints and for the Dolphins.

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You know, so, Pat,you know, there's my number one influence
right there, you know. Andthere again, you know, Dad was
a fair professional the whole time,and he applied what he learned, you
know, as a worker, tocoaching. But he also applied as he
moved into management, what he hadlearned into coaching to make him a successful
manager. So that's number one ofa long line coach. Give us your

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best, Earl Bruce story that nobodywould know, a great question. All
right, I'll give you. I'llgive you one freshman year. We come
in four days early, and thenthe as everybody does, and then the
varsity shows up. Well, freshmanhad got to do a skit by position,

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so the old line and all theygot to do a skit in front
of everybody, and all the wivesare there, and all the children are
there, and and what have you. And we had been I was a
long snapper and we had been gettingcoached up on punting by coach Bruce,
and it was it was a prettyinteresting watching a five foot nine bulldog with

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you know, a big old bellyat sixty or fifty whatever years old.
He was trying to teach guys howto punt. I mean, it was
pretty hilarious. So I got thewild idea that we would do that for
the skit, you know. Thenand I got the old idea that I
was going to play Earl. SoI really really was very good. I

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probably should have been a comedic actor. And I crushed it. I mean
I really crushed it. Even Earl'swife was laughing. And then uh,
and I looked around and I waslike feeling pretty good about myself until I
caught eye of Earl. Earlo wasn'tlaughing. He didn't see any humor in
that at all. Imagine that.So at that moment, I know that

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Earl was trying to plot to finda way to get a scholarship back and
keep my ass back to the OlbillyKentucky. But I was able to hang
on by my fingernails. And oneof the greatest things that happened to me
Ohio State was going into my juniorRichard junior year. It's a starting center.

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You know, I blew my kneeout and they had to put a
screw in it and I couldn't playanymore. Then we had two other centers
go down, so we're getting readyto get into the season and there's only
one center. So I tell EarthI'll go in and be of the backup.
And uh, when when I gotdone with it. He made me
coach and he said, he said, you're a you're a tough s ob
and uh you need to be coachingand and and teaching people how to do

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that. So uh yeah, Soanyway, that's their old that's their old
Bruce story that nobody knows because everybodyforgot except me. I love it,
love it. Yeah all right,So so, uh, coach, this
is kind of the most exciting partof the show. It's when we ask
you some fast lightning round questions anduh hopefully got you're ready to rock,

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You're ready to roll, and uhwe call her nine for ninety and uh
Brett has got his guns loaded.He is ready to just flat out uh
find the softer side of seers hereand uh get you with some great questions.
So we're excited to uh get thisgoing. So Brett, you ready
to rock? Here we go.Let's let's let's let her roll here.

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So coach practice this is over.You're getting ready to head home and you're
hungry and you need to stop fordinner. You pull up to a four
way intersection and on each corner there'sa Wendy's, a Steak and Shake,
a burger king or a McDonald's.Where are you're stopping? Well, I
go to Steak and Shake and Iget the triple Cheese with pet pickles and

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extra catchup and tomato. Then Ihead over to Wendy's. I get a
frosty. I go to McDonald's andget their fries and probably a big Mac.
And then on the way out thedoor, what was the other one?
Burger King? Oh, burger King. Yeah, I ended up with
with the burger King kids meal soI could got to get the crown.

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Yeah, I love it. Butnow you wouldn't have said perfect answer.
Yes, If you wouldn't have saidSteak and Shake first, I would have
been very, very disappointed. Nowthe best part about it is the best
part about it is this is smartbecause advertising dollars for Saint Henry Football.
All of the have restaurants within amile radius of all fautiful, all four

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of them. But you know,an offensive lineman so win in doubt.
Eat So here. Here's why Iasked that question. Back in the day,
when Tim was saying that we'd beup there and uh and up on
the second floor more and we'd beputting our game plans together on Sunday,
we had a student coach kid namedAlan Hughes who coached for US, and

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it was like every Sunday Tim wouldsay, coach, use, uh you
fly, I'll buy We're going witha steak and shake. Bring us something
back. So we always got steakand shake on Sunday afternoons. That was
great. Okay, here we go. Other than the Shoe. What's the
best football environment in the Big Ten? Yeah, well, the Wisconsin is

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the probably the craziest. And I'dsay I'm not going to say that guys
in ann Arbor because it's it's youcan't say that. Well, it's not
very good anyway, you know,But Wisconsin is all I can tell you
is this, when we're getting readyto run out on the field, Wisconsin
was the only place that I'm lookingat Joe Lukens and Tim Spencer and you

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know whoever else right, all buttoningup their chin straps. Nobody's smiling.
I mean even at the even atMichigan, you know, coming in the
huddle and you're right next to eachother, and they're always at antagonizing you
and doing what those guys do.They're all getting strapped up. So we
come down to the tunnel and it'sjust like rebar like cage over a I

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mean like three quarter inch rebar redpainted red cage. That's I mean,
it's got to be thirty yards long. And then over that is a red
tart just for about the first tenyards right, And I'm like, and
that wasn't there when we warmed up. So they moved that big heavy thing
right there in front of the tunnel. And Earl said one thing. He

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said, when we start run tillyou get to the sidelines, I don't
care if anybody falls down. Don'tlook backwards, don't look whatever. You
get to the sidelines so we can. I'm in the back right because my
first year traveling. So uh,we start running and they're running out and
I'm start running out and I'm goingas fast as I can. And I

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got Kevin Delaney next to me,and he's run as fast as he can,
and uh, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, just like
it had to be, like afifth of Jack Daniel's bottle comes flying over
the reb I mean, I'm justclearing the rebark. It flies right past
me and hits the dude in frontof me in the back of the helmet.
Knock, him down. De Laneytrips over him and I don't look

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back. I don't know what happenedto him. I just know that I
didn't see him till we were onthe plane. But man, I got
in that place. See him fromForrest Gumport. He's running back in the
jungle. H Well, you knowthat place is in sid They never stopped.
It doesn't matter if and we alwaysstruggle with Wisconsin anyway back then,

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but they just absolutely turn it onand it stays on four volume until the
last whistles blown, and if theywin, it stays on, you know,
for a whole weekend. I'll bein Madison for two weeks later this
summer, taking a little some highereducation stuff for my job, and I
have learned to appreciate Madison, Wisconsin. It's a cool little town. Question

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three, the tri state excluded,what other state would you want to live
in? Arizona? Me answer thatfast. There's a reason Festa bulls out
there. And it was an awesomeexperience. We played Pittsburgh, had a
great times, best Bowl game everwent to and me and I had a

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hot rod business for many years andmy wife and I would go out there
to bear Jackson and and do allthat, and we stay up in Sedona
and I just fell in love withit. You ever go to Tombston.
Yeah, Yeah, that's a coolplace. That's a really cool place.
Yeah, real cool place. Andthey got that meteor or asteroid meteor whole

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the crater, the crater downer justoutside of Tucson. That's uh, that's
a wicked place too. It's areally really, really great place to be
as long as you it's not August. What's the worst part time job you
ever had? Uh? Well,I was a pilot so, uh,
I was a freshman. I wasa freshman at Molar and I wanted to

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be a vet at that point.I was an incoming freshman. So they
had a veting area. That gotme a job on Clayburn Horse Farm.
So I was a pilot there.So on Mondays, I pilot this high
and then on Tuesday afternoon. Souh so, uh yeah, you got

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me. That was good, yougot me? I was. I swallowed
the damn hook right there. Well, yeah that was good. Yeah,
that was pretty good. I swallowedit. Yeah, I was good.
Swell it was. It was oneof my yearlingks though, So that was
pretty cool. Yeah, the hewon the derby and and died in training
shortly thereafter. He had been atriple crowner. But I had him as
a yearling as one of my seven, so that was pretty cool. That's

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awesome. That's awesome. On vacation, you hanging out with a swimming pool
or on the beach. Well,with a body like mine, you know,
I'm trying to hang out, youknow, somewhere like on a fishing
charter or whatever, but I usuallywould hang out on the beach. Nice.

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Nice, Who's the toughest player youever coached? Oh? Man,
Well, I'm probably a little biased, but my brother Steve he was.
He was absolutely the And I playedwith a lot of great linebackers, Pepper
Johnson and Chris Bielman being two ofthem, and Stevie was as good as

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all of them. But he wasjust absolutely would look you in the eye
and put fear in you. Andyeah, he was probably the toughest kid.
Nice. Nice. Give me anunderrated music group or artists. Underrated
music group or artists? You know, since I became Catholic, Brett,

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I don't listen to anything it's it'stoo new, if it's if it's eighth
century if it's over the eighth century, so I'm not. I'm usually listening
to Greg Corey and Chance and whathave you. I'm down with. Yeah,
But anyway, under underrated musician ora group back in the day,

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there was a group back when Iwas bouncing the Newport Club up in Columbus,
there was a group called Anthrax thatI thought that they were really underrated.
I bounced a Metallica concert when theyhad to Kill Them All album and

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Anthrax came on before that, andI thought they just killed it. So
now you know why I'm listening togreg Orian Chance. Yeah, that's officially
the first mention of Anthrax. Okay, nobody else did an Earl Bruce impersonation
that's been on here either, Soa bit off. Going back to your

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time coming out of Ohio State,which NFL head coach would you have wanted
to play for, Mike Dicka,Tom Landry, Chuck Nole or Bill Walsh.
Bill Walsh I would have loved,and him being at Cincinnati, you
know, for those years, andnot being not being old enough to understand
what a what an unbelievable value thatwas and how in the world Paul Brown

(01:08:43):
was a genius until that one dayand you chose Yeah, I chose Tiger
Johnson and yeah, but I meanall it was obviously Dicka would have been
a guy I would have just ateup. But uh, to be able
to watch that mind that just thatcerebral picking the thing apart and inventing,
you know, Brad, I meanthat's the coolest thing, inventing, you

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know. Yeah, so it Wolfas a kid and you're playing outside tang
kool Aid or country Time lemonade,orange kool Aid extra sugar orange orange cool
Aid? How much when you madewhen you made kool aid as a kid?

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And I asked my students this allthe time, how much sugar did
you put in into a picture?Uh? I put in I don't know,
probably one, two, three,three of those probably three three cups?
Smokes? What did it call it? A syrup cup? Baby?

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I think we all well, Ithink we all shared the same picture.
It was either like a green ora yellow based picture. And like that
was the best is when you threwup that picture and there was a fresh
thing of kool aid in there andthen you poured it or you went total
rebel and you just chugved it.Straight out of it. And that's that's
when I started hating tea, becausemoms used to throw in the tea every

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once in a while and of thekool aid, and it was unsweetened tea
when you were ready to sweet,to taste that sweet nectar, and it
just blew the tea aspirations of mylife away. I could never do to
an after that, Brett, youdon't mean to tell me that kids today
know what kool aid is. Theyjust get these little tiny, there's a
little tiny single serve packets and putit in a water bottle though right like,

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they don't make pictures of kol aidanymore, do they. Well,
it's all part of a lesson.When we talk about you know, solutions
with salutes and solvents and all that. I make them stand up and tell
me how to make the best pictureof kool aid. So and then I
poke holes and poke holes in theiruh in the deal? Question two about
this? Do they even still selltang? Is that still a thing only

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to the astronauts? Only because youcouldn't add to it? Just you got
what you got. You got whatyou got. Well, coach, you
are officially off the hot seat.Thanks for appearing, you receive a twenty
five dollars gift card to the drawbridgein so I appreciate. That's awesome.
Yes, you got it. Yougot it. That's huge, that's your

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problem. Thanks for tim. Youguys take care of Brett great yet.
I love that dude. Oh dude, we had so much fun coaching together.
Like I'm telling you from an offensivestandpoint, it's from an offensive mind.
Like it was. It was likeI had died and gone to heaven
because he was so creative and henever said no to anything we came up

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with, and it was just amatter of creativity all the time. And
we we, like you said,we played to what our talent allowed us
to do. And that good stuffwe had. We had receivers and quarterbacks
and running backs out the ying Yangand we just we were going five wide

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and chucking it around the yard allnight. It was fun. Which which
one of you, YEAHO said,Hey, it's at St. Saint Henry
there gonna have receivers coming from thebasketball program, because that is so true.
I mean, if he if hewas thrown on, then they're gonna
they're gonna throw it like crazy atSt. He It'll be so fun.
It'll be uh if he's that creativeat that space, and then I love

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the fact that he's he's such agreat culture guy and it's gonna be fun.
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