TFTS E27 : Talkin' Baseball with Ross Head Baseball Coach Brad Voegele

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Okay, boys, this Master Sunday. As we record this, I'm not
sure who scheduled a guest on MastersSunday. Uh to bring our guests on
later on at seven pm? Thisthis guest better be top notch because you're
cutting into our you're cutting into ourMaster's viewing time. But to show you,
Martin, the difference, hold on, hold on the difference in quality

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of managing schedules. There there isa guy who who sets up tea times
for a group of golfers, andthat would be me and Patrick Ryan O'Connor.
What time did we tee off thismorning? Seven? Seven am?
Martin? Why did we te offat early so you can be done by

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noon and go have lunch and orbrewery somewhere and then be home in time
to watch the entire Masters exactly?Okay, So but Pat pat schedules a
guy to come on. I don'teven know who he's going to bring on.
I don't know, but he schedulesa guy to come on at seven
pm, right as they're they're gettingready to put the green jacket on.
But anyway, I got the doublemonitors. I'm watching it live on the

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Master's website. I'm good. ButMaxoma's about the tee off. He's actually
taking a second shot at number eighteen. Okay, Okay, Well according to
my it doesn't matter because according tomy monitor, which is a sixty five
inch TV, and then CBS Sports, he's seven strokes back, so it
really doesn't matter. But I diagnoge. But still that's that's fourth of the

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Masters. That's like, that's acareer for some people. Okay. So
so so here's the deal. Patand I were teamed up. We were
we were paired up this morning atSharon Woods, Okay, one of the
Hamilton County Park UH Park District courses. And for people who don't golf in
Cincinnati, you don't know what you'remissing with the Hamilton County Parks. With

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went Woods, Miami Whitewater, theVineyard, Sharon Woods, Martin your neck
of the Woods over at the Mill, you know, went It's and then
that then the small little uh partthree course. But anyway, Pat and
I were talking and I said,here's what we're going to talk about tonight,
golf etiquette. Golf etiquette when you'regolfing with your buddies. Okay,

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so let's just keep it like Okay, it's a bunch of guys, a
bunch of buddies, foursome, eightguys. Whatever, you go out on
a Saturday Sunday. What's the propergolf etiquette? Okay, I mean it's
watching on the TV right now,Okay, coming and with no thought.

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All right. The golf etiquette thatmatters when you're playing with buddies. Okay,
it's not who t's off first,added tea box, the guy with
the lows, that's not it.The golf is that's my first question.
Okay, go ahead, Martin.Golf etiquette is when somebody's putting, get
your shadow out of their line.Okay, shut out your mouth. It's

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it's anything that affect their play.Okay, it's what you want to be
cognizant of. Right. I'm notsaying you're never gonna walk on someone's line
where you're going to get your ballthat, but don't drag your feet or
your putter through their line something thatcould possibly affect the way that they're gonna
approach the next shot. Okay,that's all that matters for me. I
don't care if so if I shotat four and somebody else shot at seven,

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if they want to te up infront of me. Ready, set
golf. I'm cool with that.That's not it's it's just it's just be
cool if I'm putting in your shadowsright in my line, step back,
move right, okay, Because becausehere's where this all came came about.
Today, we are on the seventhhole and Gary the grumpy golf Ranger comes

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pulling up to us, and I'msure Pat, you know doing what Pat
does? Hey, my man,how are we doing this morning? Well?
I'd be a lot better if thereweren't two open holes in front of
you guys. Oh that was hisres twenties. I'm yes, yes,
But here's the deal, Barton.Nobody was behind like we had four of

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our friends golfing right in the foursomebehind us. Yeah, it wasn't like
we were holding anybody up. Guesswho was in front of us? A
threesome who teed off two holes infront of us seven ten in the morning.
Come on? Yeah? How muchfaster does Gary the grumpy golf ranger

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want us to play tippy? Allright? And so when you guys walk
play slow. I've played with you, guys. I mean, we're not
like you guys. Are looking foryour ball for fifteen minutes in the woods
and holding people up. I mean, that's witch witch y. Go ahead,
let's talkbou let. Let's talk aboutsome of these things. Music or

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no music when you play? Okay, that that's another etiquette question, right
there? Music or no music?Are you asking me? Can I answer
this? No? You can't.Of course you can't. Buddy. If
music's good, just don't have itso loud that you can hear it from
across the you know, and andsome people. Example, if I'm playing

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with my brother in law, heis of the opinion that country music is
an abomination. Okay, he hatesit. So if I'm playing with someone
that just hands a certain feeling abouteighties, rap, nineties, don't play
that. Just play something everybody likesand keep the volume at a reasonable level.
Right See, I say I sayno music. I say no music

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because there's going because it's such oflike you're in your head the entire time.
If you like golf, you're inyour head the entire time. And
if someone puts on some Christopher Crossand you're little jam into yacht rock,
and also I'm gonna jump in hisdamn pond, no music. I'm cool
with that too. I'm out ofyou. You enjoyed it this morning.

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Pat, when you said, Ithis is some teeth cleaning music. This
is some I said, what isthat? He goes, you're sitting in
the dentist chair. Christopher Cross comeson, if you get stuck me to
if you copy between the Moon andNew York City, Like He's like,
that's teeth cleaning music right there.So, so, Pat, this this
is interesting because you did not saya word to me. Now, we

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did not have music against our cards. I'm not I'm not. I'm not
gonna be one of those guys,but i am not. I am Typically
I do not like the music becausethere will be like one song or two
songs that you're like, damn,this is not getting me in the mood
too. But but this is fine. I was fine today. I'll be
but like the music today, Martin, Martin, you would have appreciated.
It was straight. It was likean international mix. We had Asia,

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we had Europe, we had theFinal, the final countdown. It was
Pat was just waiting for Gloria's stuffon the Miami Soald Machine to come out.
Well, So, so what broughtthis up? And was Brett,
how many flags do you think youtouched today? Uh? Maybe maybe maybe

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three? Maybe maybe three? Iblwayssay this. It was actually I'm not
a pull the pin guy, likeI if it's in, it's in.
If it's out, it's out.But I'm not he will I don't.
He will lag one up. Andso I'm sitting about fifteen feet away and
he walks up and he kind ofmarks his ball and then everyone else is
like in deep waters, right,everybody else is like fifteen to twenty feet

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away because he lagged up and gotwith him two or three. Oh my
god, this is green balls,I said. I said, hey,
hey, nice green etiquette. Herehe goes what And I was like,
oh, and so this is kindof what brought this up today. It's
like, you gotta grab that pin, bro, and then you have to
ask. You gonna ask. Andyour buddy Chris was like he always wanted

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it in. But that was onething. Here's another one. And you
know when you play at some ofthese courses, with the exception of some
tea boxes are right next to tboxes, and there was a hole.
I think we were on ten,which is obviously sometimes we're close to one
and we were teeing off and theguy's next to us were off at the
same time. Golf etiquette, yougotta clear, you gotta wait. Are
they teeing off the same time?Like it might not affect us, but

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it could affect that. So like, hey, making sure that you look
around and she was hitting. ButI'm coming back to our original point.
It's pace of play and making surethat you play ready golf. Right,
it's not so much as is inthat situation. It's not golf etiquette,
and it's golf awareness. Yes,it's a matter of awareness. Right.
Can I something to one of thethings that drives I'm I'm sure you're gonna

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throw me under the bus here becauseno, no, no, it drives
me absolutely crazy. Is the newthing that you guys have seen, like
like videos on like tiktoks and allthat crap hitting people with golf carts.
Yes, look, it's it's unlikethe young generational kid will be sitting there
hitting a golf ball and then they'llcome up and just ram them with it.

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No, I know, the dumbestdamn thing, and like people doing
tricks and golf carts. Don't getit, don't get it. Now get
it, like most of the timeyou're freaking inebriated the ship, but like
why would like, uh, whatyou doing. Here's what I'll say.
A lot of that stuff. Ithink a lot of that stuff is staged.
And I think it's staged for clicks, because who, like, let's

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be honest, we've all been stupid. We've been on golf trips when we
were in our twenties and our thirties. Nobody got ran over. Nobody,
nobody, Like, I can't thinkof anybody who got ran over. So
I think a lot of that stuffis staged. I think they're like they're
like, hey, man, hityour hit your second shot from the fairway,
and I'm gonna come down out ofthe out of the rough and I'm

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gonna just gonna ram your ass andmake sure you give a little bit of
a jump to absorb the absorb theshock when when the golf cart hits you
like that stuff stupid. Here's here'sanother here's another one little golf golf etiquette
thing. Uh and this is justbeing nice, right, yeah, help
and look for golf balls. Helpingfor golf, yes, I mean,

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but it depends, right, ifyou're left in the and your and you're
playing partner's right. A lot oftimes you'll divide and conquer. Hey,
you take the car go. It'lldepend on It depends on. However,
if you've got a buddy friend thatyou're in like you're helping out like he
could not Probably it's not your golfcart partner, but somebody else, Like,
Hey, you know what, I'mgonna come over there and give him

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a give him a couple of glances, give it a look and see what
we can find together. Hey,what the what if it's match play and
Pat, I'm playing against you,one hundred percent, I'm looking that golf
ball up for you, because ifwe're playing against I'm making sure that that
ball is either not fond found oryou're not dropping one out of your pocket.
I'm definitek okay I one. There. There was like some some golf

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I don't even know who the golfpro was, but he's given a speech.
It looked like it's some sort ofHall of Fame induction ceremony, and
he's telling the story about being inmatch play and he helps. They're like
on eighteen and the guy's playing againsthits in the woods and uh, they're
looking for his ball and he can'tfind it, so he goes on in
places and he goes and I'm standingthe guy, and as soon as I
get one hundred feet out the fairway, hear him yell found it. Next

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thing I know, the ball comesflying out of the woods and it lands
on the green. And now I'mstuck deciding do I tell this son of
a bitch that he's a cheater?Or do I have because I have this
ball in my pocket the whole time. One of those things. Just a
funny story. I don't even knowif it's a true story, but he's
like I was, I was cheatingand this guy even top me. Like

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anyway, it's just funny story.Hey was was that tournament? West Virginia
at Oga Bay? Okay, I'mgonna end on this, fellas. I'm
gonna end on this. Taking offyour golf glove to put the ball on
the green. Taking off your golfglove. Do you need to do it?
Yes, golfing with your buddies.I don't gold golfing. When you

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go golfing, like you're gonna probablystick to the traditions that you normally do.
And yes, like I feel likeyou have a better feel for hunting
without a golf club. I don'tsee any I don't. I don't have
any difference in the field. SoI just putt with it on. I
don't feel I'm not one of thoseguys like that. It takes his baseball
gloves on and off everything, Likeyou know, who is the one reds
baseball player that would like just youknow, mess with his gloves and undo

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it and tighten it. I'm like, now, just hugs on. I'm
leaving it off. That being said, maybe maybe Martin, maybe that explains
why you've struggled to putt all theseyears. That's true. I am a
crabby putter. Maybe I'll just starttaking it off. Welcome to Tales from
the Script, a bad app Cincinnatihigh school sports podcast that features local coaches

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and athletes. Here are your hosts, Brett Schneeber, Pat O'Connor, and
Martin Eisley. It's Sprang Sprang,and it's really hard to get baseball coach

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song the other boys, and it'sweather and it's you get you get banged,
and all of a sudden, youpractice until eight and when you're the
head coach, you've got multiple programsto look after. But so that's that's
kind of why we're recording on theSunday and uh and so when I think
about baseball, I think about thisdude, right, this guy's uh,

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just Johnny Baseball. And when youthink about like the great summer programs in
the city of Cincinnati, storm Clubwas there and then it kind of went
away. And then this guy broughtit back. And hopefully I'm not giving
it away yet. Who this guyis, right, and brought it back.
His nick name now is Bubbs Junior. I don't even know. Don't

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talk yet, don't talk yet,right, lead lead Ross to an amazing
Ross to an amazing record, offto a seven and zero start this year.
My friend Bogue coach, Wow,it's a good get. Pat.

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I mean, I'm a little nervous, a little nervous. Stop it.
Hey, if he's bringing you on, it's okay, because this is the
first guest he's brought on since November, so it's got to be a good
one. We've been waiting for you, nobody, coach. I'm from around

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these parts. I don't live toofar from Ross, and I grew up
over here. Ross is a bigbaseball is a big deal in Ross.
Yeah, it really is. There'salways had a huge tradition a long time,
a lot of a lot of greatbaseball has been played in that community
for a long time. So youknow, how's it been taking over the
reins and what's the youth program looklike? And you know you're off to

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a great start this year. Congratson that. But you know, tell
Us more Man, Yeah, it'sbeen fun the program. The program that
has had a lot of highs.Jason Rettinger did a great job of really
kind of grow on the program.Ray Hamilton had it. Gosh, he's
the only other guy that I canthink of, but Ray's at Lakota East.

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Now he did a great job withthe program. But Rhett has been
a great support of our program.He's still a he's a principal at one
of our schools. So yeah,he had some great teams. Yeah,
and we're just trying to bring backwhat what that was, I mean,
and that was just kind of doingthe little things the right way, playing
the game the right way, beinggreat people. I mean we always we

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talk about those things and and playinggreat baseball. I mean that's that's kind
of you know, just doing theright things. I mean, that's kind
of what we do, that's whatwe pride ourselves on. So if there
were fundamentals vogues that you're kind oflike doing things the right way, are
there certain things that you preach Yeah, no, Yeah. We we do
a lot of moving runners over,kind of the small ball type stuff.

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We'll we'll let guys swing the batsstill, but we do a lot of
button hitting and running a lot ofthose little types, types of things that
you don't see a lot in thehigh school game or even in the college
game now. I mean it's alot of it is trying to hit a
nine run home run, and wedo those and we we you know we
will. We will hit home runs. I mean we've hit a couple this
year, but we try to dothe little things. I mean, we

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bun it today with bases loaded andthe guy had to make a great play
to get to get an out.But we do those things because it was
a four to nothing game, theteam was unraveling. We were playing Edgewood
and they were kind of unraveling,and you know, it's a great opportunity
to to make them unravel more.And then that's why we do it.
And we practice that stuff. Uh, you know, pickoffs, holding runners

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on, that's that's crucial. Youdon't see that a lot in the high
school game anymore. It's you know, again, strike the guy out,
you know, get the guy outat the plate, versus holding on runners,
let the catcher throw the guy out. We we pride ourselves on that
kind of stuff. And that's youknow, the twenty games that we won
last year, you know that alot of those were one because of that.

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The seven and zero start definitely thisyear is because of that. You
know, we played defense too.I mean, we're again the same thing.
I mean, you see a lotof ESPN highlights and home runs and
dingers and chicks dig the long longball, right, but we really pride
ourselves on playing defense. You know, we feel like we're the best defensive
team in the city. And that'skind of what the program has kind of

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been about for a long time,and that's how how Rettinger kind of ran
it as well. So, yeah, we get a lot of kudos from
from past players and and parents andcommunity that come back and say, hey,
you guys are doing it the rightway, and we really enjoyed that.
So hey, Vogues we've had.We've had, whether it's football coaches
on basketball coaches, and we talkabout how things trickle down and whether it's

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trickled down from the NBA all theway down to college in high school,
uh, college football, down downto high school football. Do you see
things from a coaching philosophy trickling downfrom the major leagues down the high school
and you talk about trying to hithome runs or if you think still at

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the high high school level, thatbasically the way to win is to keep
doing what you just described. Yeah, I mean I firmly believe that doing
it the right way. That's doingit the right way is doing those little
those little things. But yeah,I mean you can see, you know,
you see it with the arm injuriesnow in Major League Baseball. I
mean it's trickling down to to theto the high school level and the college
level. I mean, guys aregetting hurt, They're throwing harder than they've

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ever thrown. I Mean, howcan an arm keep up with one hundred
miles an hour. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's are
some that can, but I meanyou're seeing a rise in Tommy John and
in almost every level, and Ijust don't know how you can sustain that.
I mean, you know, wedon't have big arms. I mean,
we've got a couple guys that arein in the mid to high eighties,

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but not I mean we're hitting spots. I mean, that's another little
thing that we pride ourselves on athitting spots and throwing ground balls and can
getting outs. You know, we'renot as big of swinging a mess type
team. And I think that's wheresneves. I think that's where you're going
with that. I mean, Ithink you're seeing a lot of that in
the in the pros now where it'syou know, rare back and throat as

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hard as you can and uh andI you know, I think you're seeing
it a lot in high school now. I mean you're seeing I mean Moeler
has guys that are throwing. They'vegot three guys in the nineties, four
guys in the nineties. They mighthave a crazy Yeah, it's it's wild.
It's wild, and there's that.I'm not taking anything away from them,
but that's a great You've changed completelyfrom swing playing guy like you were

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always like swing for the fences untillike this year, I was that was
all. That was all you dropyour hands, your hands and dropping dropping
drives absolutely absolutely not. You know, I think there are times when you
can, you can get under aball here here and there. But yeah,

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we're you know, we're level swing. You know, just base hits,
line drives. Not the second basement'shead off, left handers knocked.
The short stops at all, hatoff. Don't putt head on in there.
I'd get in trouble for that.But yeah, not the short stop
off. But yeah, it's Imean, that's that's what we that's what
we talk about. So off toa seven and oh start, let's talk

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about what that has been like.Right, You've had some great wins.
Yeah, so talk to me alittle about who's playing well. Uh,
we've got you know, the differencebetween last year and this year. It's
hard to say there's a big differencebecause we won a lot of games last
year, but you know, sevenand oh, we've got one through seven,
one through eight. We're hitting.Actually, in some cases, one

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through nine we're hitting. Last yearwe were probably one through four and then
we dropped off, and especially atthis point in the season, you know,
we're we're one through nine and we'vegot a bench that can come in.
I mean, we got we hadan opportunity today to bring some guys
in and they they handled themselves well. I mean they had quality at bats
and you know, hit the ballshard, had good at bets and walked

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or you know, fielder's choices thatturned into RBIs things like that that you
know, these guys are trying todo and and you know that that's been
the key so far to that tothe start so far, just everybody is
doing it and the pitching has beengreat. We lost three seniors last year
that that through the lion's share ofthe innings for us, and we had

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we had a junior or actually asophomore last year, uh that through and
another junior that through and those twoare our best right now. So,
like I said, we don't havewe don't have the dudes that are throwing
ninety, but we feel like we'vegot you know, five five guys that
can throw it and beat anybody thatwe play, which is fun. Yeah,
that's that's cool. So question justfrom a coaching standpoint, compared to

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a lot of sports, you know, especially sometimes in in football or in
basketball, a lot of times youcan out town. If you've got more
talent, if you've got a coupleof D one kids on a high school
football team and the opposition doesn't thecards are stacked, you've got a pretty
good hand going into that poker game, right, it seems to me,
and correct me if I'm wrong.Baseball can be so nuanced depending on you

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know, your rotation, just withyour pitchers, with how you set your
lineup, with just the way thatyou manage the team itself. So what's
the what's the secret sauce? Like, what do you look at like,
way before the season starts, whenyou're looking at the cards that you're deal
like, what do you what doyou do first? Like, yeah,

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go ahead, I'm sorry, Yeah, no, I sorry to cut you
off there. No, that's agreat question. I think it's again doing
those little things. And we talkabout it a lot. We hashtag itt,
we do all that, we talkabout it after practice, but doing
the little things and practicing those littlethings. I'm a firm believer that you
have to practice everything that you expectthese kids to do. You can't just

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go out there and talk about it, right, you have to practice it,
and it starts in the fall.You know, we don't get a
lot of guys in the fall becausewe've got you know, three sport guys.
We rely on that. But weyou know, we do a lot
in the fall of just kind ofthe six man groups of working on the
stuff that we're gonna work on throughthe season, stuff that we want to
get better at. And that's whatwe focus you know, once we get
into tryouts and the real practices,we focus on those. And you know,

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what are the top things that wewant to do as a team today
or this year. You know,whether it's moving runners over bunts, hitting
and running, you know, defense, things like that, those are the
things and that you're right, itneutralizes the guys that have if you have
six or seven dudes on the team, because you're doing things the right way.

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Now, you're you're gonna lose someof those games, right, I
mean, you're never gonna win allof them. But and that's the great
thing about baseball, But if youdo things, I firmly believe, if
you do things the right way,you know, do those little things effectively,
you can beat anybody on any givenday. So, Brade, one
of the things that you kind ofalready talked about was kind of protecting yourself
from injuries and workouts and things likeof that nature. And they say that

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the team takes on the identity oftheir coach. So my question is how
nice are your kids? Shoulders arethere as nice as yours? Your shoulders
are for you. For those ofyou guys shirtless, there's a picture of
Brand's head and then all you seeis his shoulders as doubts. That's it.

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That's just the mountains. It's thebalance there. That's all I works
on. This shoulders, shoulders.That's all your kids work on too.
It's a it's a what are youdoing squading? Get back on the shoulder,
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media. Hit us up. Soand I think I've seen I follow Ross
Baseball talk a little bit about thoseworkouts. I mean, talk about how

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important those things are in the winter, like like for those of these people
who are like, oh, what'sbaseball like, like when did it start?
Like what's the like the seriousness ofit. It's always serious, but
like what's what's your goals here?And Pat, I want to jump in
on that. You mentioned Sharon athletesand you know, in the size of
your school, Like, how doyou guys go about managing the fact that

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you got guys who are playing footballand basketball and wrestling and baseball. How
do you guys go about managing that? Because that's always a that's a huge
question I think in this day andage. And yeah, I think these
kids are doing way too much inthe offseason. I'm Pat you and I
have talked about that before. Ijust think there's there's so much that we're
trying to pull these kids in onthat you have to be able to share

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that and and it takes a goodrelationship with the head coaches. So myself
and Kenyon are good friends. DavidLane's a basketball coach. We're good friends
as well. I used to coachwith them. So all three of us
work really well together. Like wewe share the practice plans, what we're
going to do off season wise aheadof time. Actually, I just got
an email from David Lane and saying, Hey, this is our these are

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our this is our summer program.This is the ten days that we're together.
You know, we're gonna have alot of baseball guys, a lot
of football guys obviously, and webounce those back and forth and just say,
yeah, I mean, whatever weneed to do because we realize,
the three of us, especially realizethat we need to have those guys,
those three sport guys, two tothree sport guys. It's a it's a
necessity. So yeah, I mean, we work very closely together, and

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us being good friends buddy friends,is very helpful. It's very important it's
very important. But yeah, Imean as far as you know, Pat
your first question, you know itstarts early on. I can't remember the
timing when we're allowed to do stuff, but it's in the fall. I
think it's three weeks into maybe September, September ish summer October maybe where we're

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allowed to to to kind of havelifting and and and off season stuff.
And we've partnered with a company.I can't think of the name of the
company right now, but Carry Currywas a former trainer of ours athletic trainer
and he has come in and createda company that does strength training basically,
so he comes in and works withall of our our athletes, which has

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been a huge plus for us.I mean, it's the kids have grown
immensely. I mean, we've hada lot of freshmen in there that aren't
two sport guys that or aren't threesport guys that have come in and really
gotten bigger and benefited from that.And then we've had guys that have been
with us and then going to football, gone to base basketball and other sports
as well. But that's been ahuge benefit, especially for our younger guys.

(28:33):
And then and the fact that theydo, it is safer, right.
I mean, I'm not a certifiedstrength trainer. I might look like
it shoulders should from your elbows,from your elbows traps, but yeah,
it it helps in that regard becauseyou know you can you can do the

(28:53):
arm care stuff, the stuff thatyou need to do with all of your
guys. And then going back towhat sneves and was talking up before with
the the arm injuries and you knowthat it's a crucial, it's very important.
So having a company that does thatand focuses on that for our student
athletes is huge. And they're gonnastart doing some meal prep and stuff like

(29:15):
that. So I'm I guess myson is going to start cooking at some
point. Hold on, you're sendingyou're sending them follow up real quick.
You're sending them food and like adiet. Well that's that's the next phase
we're gonna start. They're gonna startdoing like you know, diet plans and
meal plans and how to get allyou know, all the protein that you

(29:36):
need meals on wheels at ross.This is amazing. I mean, they're
not gonna they're probably not going todeliver the food, but they're gonna they're
gonna give, They're gonna tell themwhat they need to be yea, yes,
yes, it's great. I meanyeah, the kids. You know,
you see all the stuff on Twitterand on Insta, Graham and all
that crap that you just never knowwhat to believe, and you know,
it's it's nice to have a trustworthycompany that's doing it for us. I

(30:00):
see a business opportunity right now forEli's and I g a to just merge,
merge together and just to be ableto send it out and create a
delivery service. I gotta I gottagive perhaps with the Big Bulls to Big
Bulls is uh yep. One ofour juniors, our junior pitcher slash catcher
is a is a bullock and it'sowned by the Bullocks, So okay he

(30:23):
is uh yeah, so he ispart of the family. We gotta gets
the Hey, folks, speaking ofyou were talking about, you know,
training and all that stuff. I'malways curious from a baseball coaches perspective,
like we'll be coaching football in thefall in October and we see guys going

(30:45):
back to the baseball field and there'sthree or four guys going back to the
baseball field, and I'm like,what are they doing? Like? How
many throws do they have in theirarm? Is there ever an off season
for baseball? And and you know, I'm kind of asking this in a
jokingly way, but seriously, likehow many how many throws do guys have

(31:06):
in their arms? And at somepoint is it detrimental to when you have
to start playing in April? Andmay? Can I ask and brand before
you get into it? And thisis kind of our feeling. Is there
an off season for any sports?No? Go ahead, Brad, That's
fine now. And that's that's thefrustrating part I think is that we again,
we're pulling these kids in so manydifferent directions. And you're seeing it
with the acls, the MCLs,and you know, the the quads and

(31:32):
the leg injuries, and then you'reseeing it in baseball obviously with the arm
injuries. But you're right, Sneeves, I mean, there's no off season
like there. These kids just goAnd you know, I remember this past
year looking on you know, onTwitter, it was December seventeenth or something
like that, and their kids pitchingin Florida and Arizona, and I'm like,

(31:52):
what are we doing here? Yeah? You can't just go and start
throwing, you know, a weekbefore, so that that person, that
kid has probably been throwing for acouple of weeks, three to three weeks
in order to get prepared to pitchin a game, I would think.
And part of it is like partof it's like combines, Like they have

(32:12):
these combines and they have these scoutingthings and in showcases and which I think
is the most most catchphrase thing ofany sport, whether it's baseball or soccer
or you name it. But partof it's a money grab. But these
kids want to go to it.But like how much of that has beneficial
to these Yeah, yeah, there'sgot to be a balance in it.

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I agree. I agree, especiallyfor the pitchers, but also for the
non the non pictures. I meanyou're throwing a ton. I mean,
you're throwing from short You're thrown forsecond, you're throwing from the outfield.
Catchers. I mean, think ofyou know, pitchers are throwing just as
much as the catcher's thrown just asmuch. Yeah, I mean I worry
about that with kids, is youknow, are we putting too much on
them? The showcases? I thinkthere are good things about the showcases.

(32:58):
I think some of those tournaments,you know, the w w B as
in in Florida, I mean thosethose are legit. I mean having opportunities
there in the fall. I knowwith my son, that gave him a
great opportunity to sign and commit earlyand have a lot of options after that
tournament. But I'm also a firmbeliever that if you can play, they're

(33:21):
gonna find you. And I meanthat's part of it, right is being
found. But you know that's Ithink they're going to find you if you
can play. So where do theyfind you? Where? Where do they
find you? Did they find youat the high school season? Do they
find you in the summer season,or do they find you in the showcase?
Or is a little bit of mixof everything. I think it's a
mix. I think it's a mix. I mean some of these tournaments,

(33:43):
you know, I I went toa w w B A in Georgia and
it was amazing. I you know, I'm standing next to Tennessee's head coach,
Florida's head coach, Houston's head coach, just standing. I mean,
just watching my son play and havingthem sit right there watching the same baseball
game. Uh. It was amazing. So I mean, they definitely are
going to those games. But yeah, I mean it's I don't know about

(34:07):
the showcases. I don't know howmuch how relevant those are. I think
I think those are necessary to kindof get your numbers up and to get
to be visible, so your exitvlow, your arm, your arm below
and things like that. I thinkthose are necessary at times. But yeah,
I mean, it's it's crazy.It's a crazy world. I just
I just think we're pulling pulling themand so kids in so many different directions

(34:30):
because they're you know, they're ifthere are two two sport guys, three
sport guys, you know they're notone hundred percent in on baseball. They're
doing other you know, working othermuscles and football and wrestling and basketball.
So it's it has to have astrain. And most of these kids aren't
fully grown, so that that's achallenge too. So so you worry about

(34:50):
that. Yeah, go ahead,So you mentioned your son, right,
Uh, starting shortstop does a lotof great things. Unbelievable player. Talk
a little bit about what it's likecoaching him, and then tell me,
like give me drop some other names. Who else is him? Good years,
good year. Yeah, it's it'sit's it's easy at times and it's

(35:12):
hard at times. Right, AndI always have to tell them have you
grounded him? Have you grounded himyet? Anything? Like we don't talk.
I tell everybody, we don't talkabout baseball at home. We're taking
a third strike. That's it.You're not going out, You're not going
out o'clock. Listen, Let's pretendI don't know you. Let's pretend there
is not a chance that you didnot talk baseball at home. There's not
a chance. I promise you don't. Hey, so those are nice socks.

(35:37):
Those are nice socks. Like areyou gonna go down today? Then?
What are you gonna do? Thatleads to is we don't talk?
So yeah, if you know,because because I've heard that, I've heard
that bogus Like, I've heard thatfrom so many times. And you know
what we leave we're totally coach anduh player, and then you know,
outside the lines, it's just thefather stuff, right, that comes in,

(35:59):
and it's it's it's the hardest thingI've ever done, and it's the
funnest thing I've ever done. Soit's it's a given a take, right,
I mean it's hard because I alwayshave to tell myself, he's you
know what I get. You know, you want to get on him,
right, I do get on himand I and I'm not too hard on
him. I'm definitely not too hardon my mom, probably him than anybody

(36:21):
else, right, Yeah, Imean I but I would be you know,
I always on the field, onthe field exactly. I always have
to tell myself what I would Iget upset at anybody else for that?
Or is it just because it's mykid and I expect more from him?
So I always have to tell myselfthat my dad always reminds me of that.
Is you have to make sure thatyou're you know, when you're communicating

(36:43):
with him on the field, thatyou're communicating the same way that you would
with with you know, another kid. And I think that's very important.
So that it's it's hard. Again, it's hard, but I think we've
gotten used to it. I've coachedhim in travel ball on basketball all these
years, and but it's also niceto have him have an opportunity to not

(37:04):
be coaching by me. So likethe summer, he's not being coached by
me. Last summer he wasn't partiallycoached by me. So it's a good
it's a good mix, but itis I mean it's it's hard at times
for sure. So talking to meabout some other players playing, Yeah,
let's see Nathan b Nate Bray hashad a great year. Nate. Uh,
I know Pat, you know him, Love love Bri Love my boy

(37:25):
Nate. He's had a good year. He had three hits today and he
he's hitting in the four hole andplaying first base. He's a good he's
a good RB guy. He's goingto Mount Saint Joe to play and they're
getting they're getting a really good playerand getting the steel there. Two way
guy hasn't pitched a lot. Heclosed last night or yesterday against Cooper,

(37:47):
but he's he's doing a great jobas a you know, as a great
senior leader. He's been. He'sa great kid. Nathan Jester is another
one that he has really kind oftaken off this year. Last year he's
our third baseman. Last year,we we kind of had a revolving door
there because we couldn't get we couldn'tget guys to play how we wanted them
to play, and that's attack balls, you know, go left to right,

(38:12):
be able to make those those slowroller plays. And he has really
really done a good job, andpart of that is the mobility that we
did in the offseason has really helpedhim. But man, he is,
he's attacked, he's playing a greatthird base. Yeah, so he's he's
he hasn't yet. Last year hewas our closer and we were expecting that,
but he's had a little bit ofback problems, so he hasn't yet.

(38:37):
We haven't needed him yet, butI think he will at some point.
Let's see Parker, Austin Parker isa wrestler. Uh, speaking of
two sport guys. He is oursecond baseman, uh, second team All
City guy yes last year, andhe's really done a good job this year.
He's in in the leadoff spot forUS. Ian Bush is another one

(38:57):
that's had had a good year tostart off. He's a two way guy,
so I think he's struck out sevenor eight today and he's going to
Mount Saint Joe as well to bea two way guy. So yeah,
we've got I mean, we've gotWe've got a lot of really good things
going on right now with our guys. So your situation's a scoch different,
right because not only we got threegenerations of Vogalies in this dugout. And

(39:21):
you mentioned it before, like yourdad would give you advice on things like
that. What's it like coaching withI mean, you know, and I
love your family, but I thinkwhat people would say, like, hey,
your dad somewhat of a Cincinnati Baseballicon. He's been around, he's
been around for forever, and sowhat's that like having him in the dugout.
Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I mean, it's it's a

(39:43):
lot of fun. I think Benenjoys it too, but it's a lot
of fun to you know, wewere close before this, but you know,
seeing him every day. He'll textme, you know, pick up
the phone and call if he's thinkingabout you know, like a pitcher.
He's our pitching coach, so ifhe thinks about something, he'll pick up
the phone and call just out ofthe blue and or text out of the
blue. So it's kind of coolto to be able to do that.

(40:04):
Again, we were close before,but just to have that interaction with him,
it's a little different now. Imean it's in we're in the dugout
and we're you know, and hegets on me sometimes for forgetting too upset.
Does he ground well, you know, it's unny, it's funny.
It's funny. A couple of weeksago, he was after one of our
first games and you know, yougo around and you say, hey,

(40:25):
coaches, you got anything else afterthe game that you want to talk to
the players about? And I skippedor no, I didn't skip him,
he said no. His thing ishe I'll talk to the pictures, you
know, I'll just talk to thepictures. And we give him a hard
time, we say, why don'tyou talk to everybody? But he he
comes back and he says, oh, I thought of something, and I
said, no, too late,you'll talk to the picture. And the

(40:49):
whole team just started dying laughing.And they're like, take his phone away,
take his keys away. So theyeat it up too. But yeah,
yeah, it's been a lot offun. I think it's been fun
for my mom as well. Ithink it's been great to have him back
coaching. Uh. He loves it. One of the things he was worried
about at the beginning was would kidsrelate to him because he's, you know,

(41:14):
been doing it for forty five years. But these kids absolutely love him.
A couple of kids. I wasI saw last night there like I
gotta I gotta text your dad this. I got a text your dad that.
So that that's pretty cool that thatreally they're really taken to him.
You know, it's pretty neat tosee. Hey, Pat, Brad,
one of you guys, I thinkyou need to like give a little bit
of info to our listeners about Brad'sdad, Like, you know, you

(41:38):
brought him into the conversation, butlike there's a whole backstory to this.
It's not like, you know,Brad just pulled his dad out of the
you know, out of the parkinglot and said, hey, I need
an extra guy. Like there's somereal history behind this whole deal. So
one of you guys like like filleverybody in about about your your dad.
Joe Vogley, go go Bradley.Do you want me to go? Well,

(42:00):
he's so he's been coaching, likeI said, forty five years,
started out at Aiken, had somereally good teams there. I can't remember
how long he was there, buthe had I think he had six or
seven guys get drafted out out ofAke and something like that. Something crazy,
something you wouldn't see now out ofAcon, but he you know,

(42:21):
he had some really good teams there, and then he went on to Wyoming,
had some really good teams there aswell, and then he took some
time off to watch me play incollege. And then Pat called him and
said, hey, I want youto be the pitching coach, so Pat,
you can take it from there.And that was probably one of the

(42:43):
I mean just I was very lucky. I think we were sitting around and
we were talking about assistant opportunities andand someone says, you should reach out
to Joe Voge's like, there's nota chance that Joe Vokeley will join our
staff. I mean, like heknows so much more about baseball than I
do. Like this is like thisis gonna be the dumbest thing, Like
he would never say yes, Andhe said yes. Was the luckiest thing
that I ever got, because Igrew not only as a coach, but
I grew as a man. Andthat's and that was probably the coolest part

(43:06):
about that relationship. And so hewas pitching coach there from two thousand and
two, two thousand and three totwo thousand and nine ten when I left,
and then he was head coach andtook him to the state finals and
just the unbelievable man knows so muchabout the game but really tries to develop
the player wholeheartedly. And I thinkone of the things that and here's and

(43:29):
here's one of the best things thatand so what he was coaching at LASAL
one of the things they would havewas like legacy night right. And I'm
not sure if you do that atRoss, Brad, but he would have
legacy night right. And so hebrings all these past players and let everybody
realize, I understand the culture ofwhat the sow base ball is like.
And the thing that I always talkto the players about us he will coach
you. You were in a greatspot luckily for you, he will coach.

(43:52):
You know a lot of these guyswill say, let's roll the balls
out and do these types of things. Like you said, like, what
did your first part of the podcast, Brad? You were talking about we
coach this and we coach that.And I was like, you will be
coached and that is a great,great thing. So yeah, yeah,
he definitely prides himself on that.And and you know the thing that you
always my kids always give me ahard time because I've heard everywhere I go,

(44:14):
I end up knowing someone through sportsor through school or whatever, and
you communicate with them and you talkto him, and my kids are like,
we can't go anywhere with that.You talking to somebody. You have
such a great smile. You havesuch a great smile. I appreciate it.
Adults, it's a combo. It'sjust again, shoulders up, it's
just all. But that was thatwas me as a kid, Like I

(44:38):
always remember going somewhere and now hearingpeople like, you know, I saw
one of his former players from makingthat probably I don't think he even played
a lot. I saw him atEli's ironically, and and he said he
was the most influential person in mylife. Like he just he taught me
a lot about baseball, but healso taught me, you know, how

(44:58):
to be a good person. Soyeah, that's that's that's that's a cool
thing when you go when when peopletalk about that, and when you see
them and they you know, theyreminisce about days at ache and Wyoming or
ear the soyle. Yeah, andwe say this all the time on the
podcast. But but sports, especiallyin my opinion, high school sports,

(45:20):
because kids come into their ninth gradeyear and their their kids, right,
and by the time they get out, they're young men, and it's such
an influential four years in someone's life. Right. And and when you can
take a sport, no matter whetherit's baseball, wrestling, tennis, cross
country football, but when your coachreally takes an interest in you and is

(45:40):
influential in a positive way and theyutilize that sport and they teach those life
lessons that you're going to carry withyou for forever. Yeah, even though
it's like one of those things whereyou know, you could be our age
and you know, old fat guyon the beach, but if you see
your seventh or eighth grade coach whoreally took an interest in you, yeah,
no doubt. Yeah, it's acool feeling. So it really is.

(46:02):
Always remember you'll always remember those people. I mean, you think of
some of the some of your teachersand some of your coaches. I mean
I can rattle off five or sixright now that you know had an impact
in my life. I mean,you'll remember those and and it's you know,
it's about the relationship. Was oneof those you for sure? Yeah,
bet for truck back in the day, beer story for trucking ran into

(46:25):
Brian cott Ill today. Do youremember Brian cott Ill a little bit?
Yeah, he was. He wasmy gym teacher at Saint James a year.
But he's the Edgewood PA announcer reallyactually just played by play. He's
uh, he's like an Edgeward guy. He was a coach head coach there
for a long time, but heplayed with Chris Sexton at Miami. Yeah.

(46:47):
So yeah, but y are youtaking those polaroids in your mind right
now? Because what you have forthe next two years is pretty good for
last year, then this year,the next year. I'm hoping you're taking
those still in your mind, dude, because this is something when you're gonna
be fifty, sixty, seventy yearsold, you're gonna be like, that
was the best damn time of mylife. Yeah, and that's what I

(47:07):
hope you really kind of soak itin. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean
it goes fast, right, itgood time flies, especially in baseball.
It's a quick season. But yeah, I mean we you know, we
talk about a lot about like lastyear. You know, there were only
three teams in Division One that thatwon twenty games. It was Mason Moeller
and Ross. I mean that's duringthe regular season, and there's something to

(47:30):
be said for that. So youknow that we and we don't take that
lightly. I mean, I knowour schedule probably wasn't Our conference schedule didn't
didn't allow us to be as competitiveas those others, but are off our
our non conference schedule is I mean, we've had a lot of people come
up to us and say, hey, I were applaud you for for the
non conference schedule you have playing thebest possibly So yeah, I mean we

(47:53):
we we definitely we know. Iknow that what we're doing is pretty cool.
But and it's the way and thelast it's the wins, right,
but also it's the relationships that you'reforming and you know, the part you
have in the community because like yousaid early earlier, I mean it's a
this is a big baseball community.I mean, we love our football,
we love our basketball, but Imean this has had a lot of We've

(48:15):
had a lot of history in baseball. Yeah, So thank you a for
highlighting Ross Baseball. It's a pleasure. It's so good to have you on
to highlight your program and the kids. But Pat mentioned something in your intro.
Can you tell us a little bitabout the Storm Club experience and that
that's all about. I know.That was uh, you know, yeah,
I'll let you take it from there. Yeah. So we started it's

(48:37):
probably been seven eight years ago.We were with Lancer Baseball and we had
great program. We had an awesomeprogram, and Pat was coaching won the
older team, I guess, oneof the oldest teams, and then I
had the one right below that,and then I had another one with with
my youngest son, who's fourteen now, and we started thinking. We started

(48:59):
talking, was myself, Pat andJoe Crowley that you know, we're starting
to lose kids that feel like theLancer Baseball program is just for lots seconds.
And we started so we started pigeonholingourselves a little bit with getting good
players. And and I remember Patand Joe we're shooting the ship, probably
drinking a bourbon like Pat's doing rightnow, and they said, hey,

(49:22):
why don't we Why don't we thinkabout doing something different? And it turned
into why don't we do Storm Club? And they and I don't. I
hadn't seen Bubbs in a long time. Ran into him here and there sometimes,
but I don't, you know,don't talk to him regularly. So
I called Bubs and said, hey, you know, what would you think
And he goes, I love it. I think there's no other person that

(49:44):
I would like to have take thisthan than you, and and he said,
oh, we're run with it.So we started with six fourteen five
teams somewhere in there. Five orsix teams. Yeah, we've grown it
now, we've had them. We'vehad ten at sometimes, but we're out.
We're we have eight right now.And what's really cool about it is,

(50:04):
you know, we've got really wehave really good teams, and the
teams have the same mindset and that'swhat is a lot of fun is.
And I'm very careful of who Iselect to be coaches. So we've got
a lot of former LESU guys thatare coaching. BJ Keeman is coaching one
team. I can't remember what yearhe graduated. He ended up going to
play football somewhere. He was twothousand and one, two thousand and one.

(50:27):
Yeah, he has one of ourteams. Matt Lacita, who was
another He was one of my teammatesat LASAW. He was sophomore when I
was a senior. Went on topitch at UC. He has two teams
I have the I have the fourteenyear old team, which is now our
oldest team. And then al TonyHornbach, who he came to me and

(50:49):
said, hey, I'd really loveto have a team under your umbrella,
and you know, he came inand now he has two teams this year.
So that's that's what's been fun.And then Curry Curry Cummins has it,
so that's what what what year ishe eighth graders? Is that Connors
grade? So so I have hehas seven. So he's got Connor's kids,

(51:15):
right, Yeah, Connor is Connoris playing. Yeah, yep,
yep. And there's a lot ofRoss kids on that team. So it's
really cool for me to be ableto interact with them. Well it's interesting,
Yeah, you just make this it'sinteresting you say that, Yeah,
because a lot of those RBC kidsI know ended up going over to the
Storm Club and everything. So forpeople who are listening right now who don't

(51:39):
understand, like the history of StormClub, like Martin pat and I we're
fifty one years old, growing upin the hood, like we're talking in
white Oak, Morford Heights, thewest side of Cincinnati back in the day,
Like Storm Club was it man,like you had Storm Club, you

(51:59):
had Knuckles, and I don't rememberwhat else you had Midland, but Midland
was like that was so far awayfrom where I'll tell you what so.
So explained a little bit about thehistory of Storm Club, because it's it's
legit, like it started a longtime ago. And and and to see

(52:19):
it brought back, that's a bigdeal. And and what's cool about that,
Brad is that when we go ontournaments and we'll be in Kentucky and
Brad can tell you in the wherewe are, people were like, oh,
you you're sarm Club. Are youfrom Cincinnati? That you will walk
around that jersey and you get thelightning bolt and you've got you know,
all those cool things, baby blueand people people are excited to see it.

(52:42):
Yeah. People, I didn't wantto didn't want to bring the baby
I love, the baby blues Ilove I wanted What did I really want?
What did I really want to comeback with all baby blue, the
hard hats, hats, hard hats, love the hard hats. For a
while, I thought this is thiswould be really cool. But yeah,
I mean, you're right, Pat, I mean the any tournament you go

(53:05):
to, any ballpark you go to, you're always going to find somebody that
either had a brother, a cousin, a dad that played for Storm Club
or played against Storm Club, andthey all you get a lot of that,
and that's really cool. I mean, in your right sneves at the
at one point it was Storm ClubJTM knuckles and totally forgot about them.

(53:27):
Were a little bit later, theywere a little bit later. Yeah,
they were a little bit later.Yeah, but those were the legit teams
and and now there's four thousand teams. But yeah, to be able to
bring it back, to be ableto bring it back is really cool.
And to see what these guys thathave coached with me have done, you
know, Pat and Joe as well. I mean, it's just it's been
cool to to kind of see it. I don't have to I don't,

(53:51):
you know, I don't tell themwhat to do. I don't I don't
micromanage. I just kind of letthem run, run their and lemonade stand.
But it's truly, it's it's itmakes it nice when you can you
can pick those coaches and so lethand pick those coaches and know that they're
good people and know that they're goingto do it the right way, and
those the guys that I mentioned doit the right way. And you we

(54:12):
you know, we always get complimentsabout how we play. So it's pretty
cool. Yeah, Like I said, the history, it's so much history.
I mean always, when I thinkof Storm Club, I think of
Hobnerfield, right and being sixth sixthgrade, seventh grade, going up there
on a Saturday night. Oh mygod, and the click clack, click
clack, click clack of those wattlespikes walking in, and then the hard

(54:34):
hats and these guys look like monsters. And there I'm thinking, they're really
close to being professional baseball players.These guys are really close to being Then
when you're like eleven, you're likewatching these fastballs com and you're like,
oh my god, there's no wayI can hit it. And then you
you know, you end up playingfor him, and it's just it's just
a really cool experience. And yeah, but but you know, you think

(54:55):
about that, and I remember wePat, you and I talked somehow we
got on this topic earlier today.They used to have a large tournament.
Storm Club would host a big tournamentevery summer, and they would bring teams
in from New York and Maryland andMichigan, and they would bring these teams
in and it was to the pointit was so well established that there would

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be host families around around you know, White Oak and Monford Heights that would
host three or four players for theweekend so that these teams didn't have to
stay in hotels. And so ifyou hosted, you know, a few
players, you were basically responsible forgetting them to Hobner and everything for the
tournament. And you developed these theseyou know, I don't want to say

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lifelong, but these longtime relationships withthe games. Yeah, and it was
a really neat deal back in theday that the Storm Club did. And
I don't remember if that was likeone tournament, if it was a World
Series type deal, I don't know. Brand do you remember anything. I
think it was the Baby Ruth model. Babe Ruth kind of adopted that where

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they had were at any any tournamentthat you went to for Babe Ruth,
you were kind of you lived withsomeone else rather than in a hotel.
So you know, actually, uh, I lived with a family land Screen
was the guy's name, the Greenfamily in Newark, Ohio. He would
come here and and they would staywith us whenever they played here, and

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you know, we did it liketwo or three years, you know,
where we'd go to Newark, Ohio, he'd come here and now he I've
ended up coaching against him and youknow, been pretty close to him over
the years, and you know,it's just kind of I wouldn't have known
otherwise had we not housed him orhe he housed us when we you know,
went to Newark. So it's prettythat's definitely a cool thing that that

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doesn't happen anymore. No, No, because now it's like you travel and
you have to stay in this hotelfor you and you have to pay all
this money. Then you have topay money to get into the park.
Yeah, and it's like why can'twe go back to And this is a
question for you, like why can'twe go back to the way it used

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to be? Like money, money, fashion, that's like that and everything
right in every channel of life,it's all about it, and you hear
it more and more about the multisport athletes and in the time to practice,
it's so hard for you know,I'll get to this point maybe a
little bit later on coach, butlike it's so hard to practice for summer

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baseball, because during that summer baseball, you might leave on a Wednesday or
Thursday to go out of town andthen you use a ball your arms and
everyone's tired and you come back andhow do we work on fundamentals for those
traveling teams? Right? How doyou work on those things? Baseball is
a different animal. High school baseballis a different animal. But like when
you're sitting there for a summer program, I can remember when the coach and

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the guys, when they were alittle bit older, seventeen eighteen years old,
it was hard to get a practicein. And that's one of the
things that I prided myself. Iwas like, we have to practice,
we won't get any better. Yeah, and I look that from you.
I mean I I always said tomyself, it'd be easier to cancel because
of that, for that reason,that all the reasons you just mentioned.
They're tired, they're sore, they'vegot football, they've got soccer, they've

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got all this. But you haveto practice, you know, And that
in those tournaments when you go outof town, that's what really separates the
the guys that have just dudes fromAnd we talked about it earlier, right,
the teams that do it the rightway and and focus on the fundamentals,
it's it's different. I mean youyou kind of level out that playing

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field a little bit by doing that. And yeah, and not a lot
of teams do do the practice.I mean, I just I remember,
you know, one of the thingsI tell all these young guys that come
to the younger coaches of the youngerteams that coach with Storm Club, make
sure you're practicing. Don't play sevengames a week and then go play on
a tournament. Take you know,take two to three days a week during

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the you know, during the week, and make sure you're practicing because it
goes a long way. You know, take a weekend off and practice.
You know, you don't you don'thave to play. I mean, there's
there's so many tournaments now that it'seasy. It's easier to do the tournaments
and then be able to practice twoor three days a week than play a

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meaningless game throughout the week because you'regonna able to get a lot more done
fundamentally practicing. And that's something thatwe've I got that from you. And
that's the thing. And that's thething because you go to these tournaments and
you expect, you know, everyoneto kind of roll on there, but
they kind of work it so youcould stay four nights at a hotel.
Right, They were all, you'reon your fifth game or whatever, and

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it is, it is, itis, It is super super taxing.
But the thing is you'll find sometalent. You'll run into some amazing teams,
and then your team you'll be sittingthere and saying, we don't have
a guy that does that ninety wedon't have a guy that that can hit
them way well compete against them,and you know what we do and then
you know what, because we practice, you find we out fundamentally, right,
We're we're holding runners on differently,we're we're putting on plays and and

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you know what, we're we're morefundamental, and we win those games four
to two or three to two,and it's just all they're really good ball
games. And the parents are like, we've spent the parents that we beat,
we've spent ten thousand dollars a year, and and we we get beat
by you know, someone that's alocal team, a lot of team that
has most kids going to this,you know the same high school or close

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to in the same neighboring community.Yeah, I mean it's you know,
it's like in you know, likepickoffs. We talked about that before as
well, like jam them, jamthem. Yeah, an inside move,
I mean an inside move. Youknow, if you do it effectively,
you do it the right way.I mean, you could. I remember
this past summer, we picked offthe same team probably three or four times

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in the summer. I mean thatwith the sixteen year old team, just
because they're they were just rolling theballs out and hoping to hit a nine
run home run. They weren't worriedabout those those little things. So you
can definitely level of that playing fielda little bit vogues. The one year
that I coached or maybe maybe twoyears that I coach small with Pat,

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I was basically a glorified scorekeeper.You know, I'd keep the book and
everything. But whenever I heard himyell get a guy in second, and
I heard jam him, I'm like, this is a pickoff. We're gonna
get picked off. And I'm tellingyou, our pictures were so well trained.
Our shortstops are second base and we'reso well trained. Like literally they

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would they would rare up and fireback to second Dom, they were done
by three steps. It was awesome. If you do it the right way,
they know it's coming and they're stillgonna get picked off. Yeah,
it's amazing. But I get likewe talk about it's practice, Yeah,
and how how willing are you topractice that stuff? And so I guess
the question becomes, how do youmanage practice? And what do you do

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with practice to not burnout arms,to not burnout legs and all that stuff,
knowing that maybe in the in theweekend you might have to play four
or five games. So so howdo you, as a coach in the
summer go about managing your practice inmidweek? Yeah? Really, I mean
some in high school, I meanwe're really trying to not have them throw
in some cases. I mean,there are some practices that will do a

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lot of throwing. If you're apitcher, you you're you're not and you're
a two way guy basically, andyou threw the day before, whether it
was a bullpen or in a game, you won't throw it all in that
practice. So we kind of putyou on the shelf. You'll hit and
do all those things, uh,or do something light from a throwing perspective.
So we're very careful about that.And that's something that my dad really

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preaches as well, because we dohave you know, we talked about two
way guys, three way or twosport guys, three sport guys. We
got to have a lot of twoway guys as well, and so we
got to have a lot of guysthat can play the field and pitch.
So we got to be really carefulabout that because they're getting a lot of
throws in throughout the week. Sowe just you just have to be very

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diligent about how your practice plan andmaking sure that you that you stick to
it, you know, just notnot doing as much throwing. And sometimes
sometimes we take practices where we don'tthrow it all, you know, just
everybody, because everybody needs it.Our shortstop needs it, you know,
third basement needs the break as well. So so one of the things that
I always thought is you need lotsof buckets. Lots of buckets when you've

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got all that are tired, you'rejust fundamentals, let's work on it.
Might be just hey, we're gonnaturn two, we're gonna bring first base
halfway between first base and second base, and we're just gonna have a ship
ton of buckets out there because wedon't want them throwing. We don't and
it's it's like, hey, we'regonna focus on swings, hitting the opposite
way and situational hitting in that thing. So you get a lot of stuff

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done that way. Yeah. So, uh, brand I got a question,
it's rained like absolute hell for thelast week. What do you do?
What do you do with those howmany how many? How many games
did you have scheduled last week?And how many games did you play?
We had we had five game scheduleor no, four games scheduled and we

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play AID two today and yesterday,so like so through the week. Yeah,
so during the week with all therain, like you can't get on
the field, Like what what doesross do? So we've we luckily we
have the football field is turf,so we can get we have access so
huge, so huge. Yes,we do take advantage of that when we
can, obviously if it's not raining, but I mean the gym, we

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got a we have a great hittingfacility where we've got four tunnels that we
can go to. Uh, wehave other options where we can we can
go hit. But yeah, wewe just try to keep them sharp,
you know, it's there's nothing worsethan going outside for a week or two
weeks and then you have to goback inside. It drains everybody. Uh,

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So you've got to kind of keepit fresh. I mean, we
get we just try to keep themmoving. That's something we pride ourselves on
is making sure that nobody's sitting aroundand we're always moving. Uh. And
we keep thinking short because again,I mean, it's hard to be outside
and sixty three seven degree weather andthen all of a sudden it turns into
a monsoon like it was last week. But it's you just got to keep

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them moving and and you know,maybe cut down practices a little bit here
and there. Yeah, yeah,you're ready to get on the hot seat.
You know what hot seat is?I have no clue. I'm I'm
harvest good Lack. Well, wehave this little called nine from ninety all
right, that's how we end thepod. So we're gonna rattle off nine

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quick banger questions. First thing thatcomes to your head. It could be
anything, all right, lady,Yeah, of course, oh absolutely,
So I got I got the taskof coming up with the nine questions for
you. So right out of thegate, why in the hell do baseball

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coaches where a uniform? Can youexplain it? Do you wear a uniform?
I do? I do? It'sone of it was one what does
this? Why? Why do theydo? Yeah, it's funny. Kenyan
and I talked about this a lot. Or he he he has made comments
that he's gonna suit up one day, which I and I also am fighting

(01:06:15):
to get a headset to be onit sideline, and he told me the
other day he goes, that's fine, I'll just cut the cord, but
you can have a headset. I'mlike, all right, fine, So
yeah, it's it's weird, right, I mean you you you wear baseball
pants as I mean, I'll beforty seven in a couple of weeks.
I mean got baseballs on in anuniform. A lot of guys don't wear

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this. Part of the rules though, right, it's part of the rules.
It is. Yeah, it isa rule, no doubt. In
summer. It's not a rule insummer. It's a rule. You have
to be in uniform. Yes,yeah, coaches have to be a uniform.
Okay, so hold on, I'llexplain this. And this explanation is
coming from Chuck Lowman, former headbaseball coach at Oak Hills High School.

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I asked him this exact question.He said, it is because the coaches
are actually in the field of play. That makes sense to I mean I
could whereas whereas other sports, basketballyou're on the sideline. Football, you're
on the sideline, you get tooclose, you get a warning, you
got to back up. Whereas baseballyou're in the field of play, which

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makes sense. I could probably stillwear shorts and and kakis like pats.
I could probably still do that.I could probably still do that that and
coach third base. Yes, Iprove, We've proven that in summer ball,
right, but yeah, it's Idon't know, I don't know.
I mean that makes sense, sneeps. I mean that that's a good explanation
for it. Okay, so holdon, so hold on, Hey softball

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simil similar sport. Yeah, theydo not wear like friend of the Pod
Jackie Cornelius, Oak Kills High School. She is not out there in sugar
sugar, low sugar. She's notout there in in her game pants coaching.
They get leggings or something like that. Maybe it's because I wouldn't look

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good at leg So are they sponsor? Is softball sponsored? By Lulu Lemon.
Is that the folks I could seeyou because vogues. I think you
were one of the guys. Iremember you get like and I can't remember
how many years ago this was,but you were like frustrated in the summer
baseball program, summer baseball team,and then you wore uniform, the change
things up. You were uniform andI were like, what the we were

(01:08:29):
happy to be in the same tournament. And I'm like, what the hell
are you doing? You're like changingthings up. But I can see you're
such a just story. I couldsee you being Connie Mac out there wearing
a suit. I can see youcoming with the boat tie. Yes,
with the boat tie. Yes,yeah, right, I mean you know
that's how That's how it was.That's how it was, right, I
mean, next question, next questionis along those same lines. From a

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baseball purist standpoint, right, notmuch has changed with equipment. It's a
bat, the balls changed to wouldbat base pants are the same distance?
How would an average ballplayer from erasfrom the past compete in today's game in
your opinion, like, would BabeRuth be a plumber? No, Baby

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Ruth still be able to Babe Ruth, but you get what I'm saying.
Yeah, But you know a lotof people ask that about like Pete Rose,
like would he be as successful amillion a million percent because he would
have adjusted? I mean the VLOis different right than what it was when
he played. You still had guysthat threw hard like Nolan Ryan through hard.
But now everybody's a Nolan Ryan plusand guys like that, like Tony

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Gwinn and Pete Rose and guys likethat will always they're always hitters, right,
They're gonna hit anybody and they'll adjust. They're elite. Yeah, I
mean I I often. I havethought about that a lot though, like
because you see clips of older gamesand guys don't seem to be as quick,
as fast, as as strong asguys are right now. Uh.

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And I think that's probably the biggestchange is guys are just physically just mammoth
now. It's amazing. Arguing collegemy son, same basketball conversation is like,
you know, Jordan was playing againsta bunch of plumbers. I'm like,
no, hold on, wait aminute, you just yeah, so
I agree with you. I justwanted to want to get the figure it

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out right, And I'm sure thereare some guys that probably wouldn't play like
Tracy Jones, probably wouldn't have hada great head of had a long standing
career front of the hold on.He played for five major league teams.
I'm not sure if you know that, folks played for five major league teams.

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He had a good He did havea decent career, though. I
mean, uh, I just Ilove listening to Hiven, Marty. It's
awesome. I don't know why.He's the first person that came to mind.
I mean you just the first person, the first person you just think
of somebody that had a mediocre career, you know that, Paul Householder,
Yeah, Damn Hillard, Wayne Hand, Alex Trevino, Yeah, I mean

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Wayne? What is this random randomRed's day? Okay, go ahead,
Marty. Question number three, lether rip? All right? Can you
name the three lead singers with vanHalen? The three lead singers of Val
van Halen. I couldn't even nameone. You name one? You kid
name Eddie van Halen. I don'tknow. I have no clue. Was

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a big thing. Uh. Ican name two. I can't think of
the third I can name. Ican name is a tough one, not
a lot of people can't come upand I can name Van hagar And and
David Lee Roth. Right, wasthat the best video of all time?
Back with the girls when you hitthe girl in all the Teacher? Uh,

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that one was a pretty good one. What was the one? What
was the song where he was dancingup along the California Beach, California,
California. Oh yeah, that wasthe third one? Was Gary? Was
Gary? Gary? Sharon? Okay? He was from Extreme Hold On,

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Hold On Stop. He was thelead singer from Extreme More than Words Words.
That was our senior trip. Likethat was our senior trip ninety one
Myrtle Beach making out the more thanwords multiple times? How many d bags
were sitting on the beach with aguitar singing more than words like imitating Sharon?

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There was a ton of al right, Next one's multiple choice, multiple
joys not fu. I had tolook this up, but this is a
fact. What is the most consumedcondiment in the United States? Is it
mustard, mayonnaise, or ketchup?It's gotta be ketchup, went on.

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I want to say mayonnaise. It'smayonnaise. I had to look at this.
Yes, I think because of allthe salads the right in the potato
salads. But there are so manypeople calling bs on that. There's scis
number one stomach mayonnaise, like Carol. Carol is one of them. Pat

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You talk about mayonnaise and she wantsto throw jagging if she's that's very surprising,
especially with with you know, hamburgersand French fries. Some people hit
that mail on that burden. Hey, here's a here's a question on a
hot dog. I like where thosequestions go. We're getting on a reverse

(01:13:55):
hit. He's reversing it back out. You got a hot dog? You
ketch up luster? No, brand'sgot a question? No, that's my
question, hot hot dog? Thisboth what you put ketchup on a hot
dog? I'm going mustard all day? Hold on, hey, I go,

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I go. French's a little littleuh littles all day? Are you
putting ketchup on? Other? Way? With seven? You want to you
want to toilet with nuggets? Yeah? Okay? Hold up, fellas tee
time one o'clock local municipal golf course. You come around, the turn is
three fifteen maybe three h five,so you're playing ahead of you know,

(01:14:36):
ahead of schedule. You walk inthe grill. They got them all fired
up. What are you putting onyour what are you putting on your hot
tal gotcha, here's the thing.Depending on the course in the states of
the condiment bar, sometimes you walkup to that thing and they got the
sour crowd. That looks like you'vebeen there for a month. I ain't

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touching that, No, hotal hotdog, ketchup and mustard? What what
are you putting on? Section?And what are you mustard on it?
But if the pika or the relish, maybe it just got changed out.
I'm getting a brought. I'm gettinga brought. I'm loaded it up mustard,
relish, sauer Kraut. I thoughtI go brod. I thought you

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meant, if you're getting a hotdog? What do you exactly though?
No, you're right, I'm gettingif it's if it's a hot dog,
what are you putting on its mustard? Mustard? Us ms, okay,
what if it's a met mustard?What else are you gonna put on ketchup

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and mustard on a met? God, he's so regomended, he's got very
serious meals for wheels. We wantto one of the questions, and this
flows right into it. One ofthe next questions I had was, h
we're going seeds. What what flavorsyour go to seed flavor? I know
you guys, you did your homework. Well, it's a baseball thing,

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and I'm like, I was thinkingabout it because they've got some weird varieties
now like they Yeah, but here'sthe thing. Here's the thing. He
had to come up with these onthe fly because he had no idea who
who Pat was bringing on, becausePat never brings the guests on. True.
That is a true statement. It'sbeen what November. Yeah, I
was thinking of these joined the pot. I was just kind of up the
side writing down. But seeds,I'm gonna I'm gonna have to go with

(01:16:28):
traditional. I like the playing David'sseeds, salty salty seeds, salty seeds.
I do like the ones that arelike sweet and spicy like a mix.
Yeah, those are pretty good too, But I'm not into like the
bacon and the dill pickle and spicydill pickle ranch. Yeah, I'm not

(01:16:50):
salsa. I'm not in that becauseall that's gonna do is make me hungry.
Now, Brad, this kind offlows into the next question, not
just I don't mean to interrupt,but how many turf fields do you play
on in the high school season?Somebody asked me that question the other day.
We have not played on any,but we will. We play Indian

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Hill. Actually we don't play themany. We played Indian Hill last year
at their place. Yeah, sonone really this year. So the reason
why I bring that up is becauseseeds is a no no and that's one
of the you can't do it onturnfield. You can't do it, and
everyone gets pissed when you're like,hey, we'll check you will throw you
out of seeds out here, especiallywhen you go in the tournaments, especially
when you get big emphasis emphasis USuniforms in baseball. Who's got the who's

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got the best unis? In youropinion, I'm a I'm a Dodgers guy.
I'm not. I mean, Ilove the Dodgers uniforms. I think
they're just clean, the white.And then I'm a I'm a big fan
of pen stripes, so you knowI'll go I'll go to the Yankees or
the Phillies pinstripes. I just I'ma big fan of the pin trips.

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What about the orioles? What aboutthe Orioles. What are your thought hat?
I like their hat Orioles classic,right, I've been an Orioles fan
since back in the early eighties.Cal ripkn I mean like that that color
scheme, the white, the black, the orange. I mean that is
a cool color scheme. But it'sit's a great color scheme. It really

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is. And they haven't they haven'ttweaked it all that much. They've changed
the hat up a little bit,but the cartoon oriole character true story.
I can't make this up. Sothis would have been probably June of nineteen
ninety. I remember buying the whiteFanatics hat, the old the Old Fanatics,

(01:18:49):
and then had they had the logoon it and then had underneath it
it had Baltimore Orioles. I hadthat hat for probably a good ten years,
maybe maybe fifteen to twenty years,and literally I wore that on every
vacation and my friends would make funof me and I'm like, dude,
that's my hat. Like that,that's that's my hat. You go boating,

(01:19:10):
you go, you go on vacation, that was my hat. That
was literally the Orioles. Yeah,that was that was my squad. Plus.
Now here's a good story. So, as a kid growing up,
the old sports illustrated posters. Iknow, Martin, Pat, you guys
had these, the old sports illustratedposters. I had these hanging in my
bedroom as a kid. I hada Larry Bird cal Ripping Jr. So

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when my parents moved out of ourhouse, I grew up in and built
their house out in Ross Ross Trailsup on the hill. Okay, not
far from where you are. Sowhen they moved out, my mom said,
hey, do you want your posters? I said absolutely. She gave

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me Larry Bird cal Ripping Jr.They have been hanging in my classroom for
twenty two years. That's I havea post. I have a Sports illustrated
poster of Larry Bird and hanging inmy classroom right now, ringing back the
Yeah, they've been there ever since. They've been there ever since. Yeah,
I had I remember there the EricDavis forty four Magnum posters. Yeah.

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I was a big A's fan,so I had the Bash Brothers with
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Next question, this is this is
somewhat Seinfeld related. This is forPat but who wore number seven for the
New York Yankees, Mickey Mantle.Next question, Seinfeld, guy, I
love, I love you know theepisode I'm talking about George. So he

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was gonna, like he had said, if he ever had a son,
he was gonna name it his sonseven because Mickey Mannle is his favorite player,
right, And he brought it upcasually to a couple that was expecting
a baby. And then he foundout, like a few months later that
they think there's done seven and hewent completely ape ship to go completely realistic
because they stole it from him.Yeah. I never got into Seinfeld.

(01:21:10):
I mean, my dad loved it, but they always watched it, but
I never got into it. I'mmore of a friends guy. All Right,
last question, and you're off thehot seat. If you could change
one rule in high school baseball,you're king for the day. Ohsaa,
you can change one rule about highschool baseball in Ohio? What would it
be? And that is a toughone. No uniforms for coaches. You

(01:21:42):
know that's a good question. BrandWhat about this one? Are there still
rules dressing players for tournament? Yeah? Yeah, you have. You can
only dress a certain amount. ButI don't I think it's increased enough to
where it doesn't matter anymore. Imean most. I think it's twenty one
or something like that. Yeah,we have eighteen on our roster, so

(01:22:03):
we don't there's no we're not goingto run into that. You know,
that's a great question. I can't. I can't. You got me.
I'm on the hot seat. Whatdo you think about the pitch count,
the rules in Major League Baseball,the changes the last couple of years,
the clock, Yeah, the pitchcount, all of it. You know,

(01:22:24):
they go into extros. There's aguy in second base like what.
Yeah, I'm not. I mean, I don't know. I'm more of
a baseball purist, but I dolike that it speeds the game up.
I think the clock does some goodthings. I think it's taken everybody a
while to get used to it,but I kind of like it, you
know. I don't like that thatthe game's being officiated to it. I

(01:22:45):
think some guys, I think,if you're like almost to the second,
guys are really like umpires are reallyquick, and I've seen them at the
college level more so. They're reallyquick to bang a pitcher or bang a
hitter, give them a ball orgive them a strike, And I just
I just that's not the that's notwhy they have the rule. I know
that the rule is to speed itup a little bit. I just I
don't think that I think there needsto be some leeway there, especially in

(01:23:08):
the college game. In the pros, I think they've gotten used to it.
I don't think it took that longeither. I mean, it's just
seems like they're you know, it'sold hat. You know, it really
should be. I mean, there'sno reason for guys to stand out there
for forty seconds and in between eachpitch, or a guy to adjust his
batting glove thirty seven times. I'mnot. I'm not a huge fan of

(01:23:30):
the throwover rule. We actually theythey're starting to incorporate that in in the
travel ball scene. We had afourteen U tournament last weekend that they said
you can only throw over three times. I'm not. I'm not huge on
that. Again, coming from aguy that you know, we pride ourselves
on how we hold runners on.So I would hope that's maybe A hope

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is that OHSA doesn't pick up onthat one, because I don't. I
don't really like it, And alsoI don't know that umpires can track that
right now. I mean, Ijust think there's you know, you're adding
a lot to umpire's plates, similarto in basketball with the shot clock.
I mean, there's so many otherthings that have to go into play,
like somebody has to operate it andthings like that. You're just adding all

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these components that Major League Baseball andcollege baseball have the technology we you know,
high school baseball doesn't, So Iwould hope that they don't get into
that. But I do like topitchclock to some extent. As long as
it's not you know, as longas it's not abused, that's good stuff.
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