TFTS E30 : Storytellers - Elder Head Football Coach Doug Ramsey

On the latest episode of TFTS Storytellers, the guys begin their GCL Football preview with Coach Ramsey from Elder High School.  Coach Ramsey talks about the upcoming season, his favorite players, and some of his best stories from Elder football history.  


Check out Coach Ramsey's story on this episode of Tales from the Script.


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Episode Transcript

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Good evening, fellas. Rolling throughTwitter today, I saw something that really
caught my eye, and it wasit was somewhat breaking news, I guess,
and people were all over it andthe fact that basically our guy number
nine for the Bengals, Joe Burrow, is basically put in an application to
be the new commissioner of the NFLwhile also playing quarterback for the Bengals.

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Did you guys see this? No? No, I that he likes to
wear sunglasses in the public areas becausehe likes to look at people and he
thinks that's weird. Well, butdid you see that? So he was
also over and where was it SouthernFrance, Monaco or whatever that was.
I was going to say, getoff the runway and get in the freaking
building and start breaking down some filmbud Okay, but but this this is

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actually more football related. Okay.So he came out today. I think
he was on uh, pardon mytake or what a PFT or whatever the
not PTI the other one, theother one. But he was on a
podcast this morning, and I guesshe said that he believes the NFL needs

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to make two drastic changes to theirschedule. Number One, they need to
instill not one bye week, buttwo bye weeks. I like it.
I've heard him say that before.Yeah, right, But the second bye
week he said should be a leaguewide bye right around week thirteen. Okay.

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There's two things that will come ofthat. Number One, by adding
by shutting down the league, there'sactually three things. By shutting down the
league for an entire week, youyou add in a week of recovery for
all the players who have played twelvegames up to that point and are banged
up. Okay, so they'll befresher for the for the last month of
the year. Number Two, it'llpush back the super Bowl, which I've

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been a proponent of this forever.Why do we play super Bowl on a
Sunday when people have to get upand go to work the next day?
Stupid? So what it'll do isit'll push the super Bowl back to the
Sunday of President's Day weekend, whenpublic servants like Martin and myself who work
in the banking industry, and oureducators, Pat, You're still going to

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be out there selling toilet paper,God bless you, on a Monday.
You told us off air that juston a Saturday. Just make it no
but here's what he said, playthe Super Bowl on a Sunday when a
lot of people are off on thatMonday makes perfect sense. The third thing
that he thinks should happen, andthis is going to lead me into my
other discussion, is the fact thatwe all know the Pro Bowl is just

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a mess. Like they have askills competition. He says, I if
you really want to get the peoplethere, get the athletes there, have
it during that thirteenth week by weekand now he says, he believes that
the athletes will want to show upsimilar to that, similar to the NBA
when they have in season tournament,they have in season skills. What do

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you guys think. I don't likethe Pro Bowl at all, Like I
don't even like it, like justget rid of it. In my opinion,
I don't think it serves a purpose. But I do like given a
second by week standing the season outof nothing else. They're talking about adding
games and getting rid of preseason games, and that's that way he said that
you can't. I mean, thehuman body can only take so much.

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These guys already have a lower lifespan, They have catastrophic you know, injuries
that over the course of time.I mean, it's it's not good what
these guys do their body so thatto give them the ability to just relieve
some of that stress that the body'staken. That I mean they're Yeah,

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I like I like the fact thatthey're at least having the conversation. He
and Joe Burra said it's because it'sbecause they're talking about adding the eighteenth game.
And he said, if you're goingto add the eighteenth, you need
to have two bye weeks, whichI totally agree with. Yeah, I'm
fine, I'm fo it. I'mfine with the week thirteen. Don't do
the the All Star Game. Didyou guys see that the college All Stars

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used to play the Super Bowl winningteam? You guys, we talked about
that. Yeah, we've talked aboutthat before the pond. Now speaking of
here's the second part of my mymy topic here that I wanted to discuss
with you guys. Just this pastweekend, Major League Baseball All Star teams
were released next Tuesday night, MidsummerClassic All Star Game. I've got some

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feelings on this. I've got somethoughts on it. I'm curious to what
you guys feel. Number One,do we still need a Major League Baseball
All Star Game? Is it necessary? The bat one? Growing up?
The growing up? I love theAll Star Game because you got it never
you never saw the change. Younever saw al righting, you just you
just proved my point. Yes,that's as the question everybody. Everything's on

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TV now and you get a chanceto see both leagues and the interleague play.
I still like the All Star Gamebecause it's the best versus the best.
I tell you what. A lotof for me, like the tie
and the way that they do things. I like the fact that it matters.
Do we really need it? Though? Do we really need it?

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Let me interject on this one.Uh yeah. I think baseball and football
are completely different sports. The footballall start chance just because of the toll
that takes on your body with baseball. There are so many purists out there
that really get into the like theAll Star Game. When you watch it
every stadium, then every All Stargame that I can ever remember watching the

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city that weekend is passed. Thecolors and dollars that brings to that region
is huge. I mean, thinkof all the coffee shops and the waitresses
that are going to make extra moneythat weekend, right, for that reason
alone, I think keep the BaseballStar Game. I love what it does
to the local economies. When theRuds had the All Star Game here,
yeah, downtown was electric. Yeah. We've experienced it twice nineteen eighty eight

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and twenty fifteen. Yeah, andI wasn't aither one of them. And
I really like it When it's ina small market like this, it just
helps. Like having it in NewYork to zoo, I'm sure you can't
get in out having it in Boston, I mean, how are people going
to get to the stadium. They'regonna they're gonna have to stay in hotels
two hundred miles away, you know, and take you know, public transit
in but really our market? Butreally are they because airbnbn? But no?

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I mean, but what I'm sayingis like, is it any different
at Fenway? Fenway seats? Whatpat you know this twenty seven thirty five
thousand something like that on. Yeah, So I don't know who the local
economy it is because at Fenway you'vegot to pay two hundred dollars even park.
It's just like you know, Imean, just the infrastructure, like

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have it at Milwaukee, Cincinnati,hevn and Pittsburgh. Give some of the
smaller markets and get some of thoselocal economies a chance to make some coin.
I like the Baseball Star Game,Marty. That's why we have you
on this pod because I totally nevereven that thought never even crossed my mind.
The whole economy, the whole youknow, vibe of the city,
never even crossed my mind. Iwas just thinking, like Pat, was

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we see those guys, like theReds just played that. The Yankees and
the Tigers. Now that's a wholedifferent that's a whole different set of circumstances.
They sweep the Yankees, they getswept by the Tigers. But we
as Reds fans, some of usjust got done seeing the National League players.
We just got done watching three gameson TV with Aaron Judge, you
know, King calling himself out therefor the Yankees. Like, what are

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your guys thoughts back at back?What I mean is, what are your
guys memories of when we were younger, into good old days of All Star
games. White shoes. I canremember the white shoes for some reason.
I the Reds always wore black shoesgrowing up. They had those right low
tops and it was just ugly.Looking, and then they got a chance

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to play on the NL team.And if you remember, I mean the
Reds were loaded just growing up.I mean they were always in the All
Star You had Bench and Perez andbut do you remember them? Pad,
be honest, do you remember them? You were only big red machine.
You were four years old. Man, come on, don't be that guy.
No, I'm not that that guy. I'm not that guy. I'm

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gonna say that. Like, butdo you I mean Foster, I remember,
yes, I remember what I remember. It is fifty. We were
of the age like say ten ortwelve. I can just remember my dad
bragging about how that All Star Gamehad nine Reds players. They could have
they could have just filled the CincinnatiReds that year, Marty, right,
you know they tried to. Theytried to make a trade for for Veda

(08:45):
Pinston or who was the picture fromthe A's And He's like, blue Reds
were so good already this and wecan't stack this team like this. No
one else will have a chance towin. Chubb Feenie, Yeah, yeah,
you know, I thought you Ithought they were going to go Pat
hold On, I thought you weregoing to go. Pete Rose running over

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Ray Fosse. Yeah, yeah,no, early memories. My early memories
was I can't I can remember beingon vacation. I always feel like vacation
and watching that game. It wasthe one game that you knew you had
to watch because very few of themwere on TV. If you wanted to
see Kyle rip Jr. If youwanted to see Coyle Ripken Jr. Right,

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I mean for me, if wewanted to see Alan Trammel. Right.
These are the guys in the eighties, Robin Paul Mallador, Kirby Puckett,
and there were and there was rivalriestoo, right, the rivalry has
gotten I mean, yeah, Ithink there's still rivalries inside your league.
But when when the National League was, I felt smaller and like we had

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those rivalries with the Dodgers, andyou're like, oh my god, now
the Dodgers are on our team forthat day, and you got a chance
to root for a Dusty Baker,you get a chance root for Davy Lopes,
you get a chance to root forthose guys a Steve Garvey, a
Pedro Guerrero on your squad that wouldn'tbe on your squad for that day because

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cool, oh is he Batten sixth. Let's go right, And so that
was cool. I think I thinka lot of technology has made this not
as exciting, and it's more aboutstats, and it's more about all those
different types of metrics that people getreally excited about, not me. There's

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a picture floating around social media thelast week or so, and it's of
the dugout. I think it waslike nineteen seventy eight or seventy nine National
League All Star team, and itwas Dave Parker in the all gold uniform.
It was Mike Schmidt in the Phillieslight blue, it was Steve Garvey

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and the padres like it was justclassic uniforms and you look at him,
You're like, holy hell, lookat the talent sitting in that right there.
It's crazy crazy for sure. Yeah. Do you remember the punch cards
ah vote for All Star games?Yeah? That when people wouldn't vote,
you run around and you'd grab theirsand you'd punch in all your favorites and

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everything stuff in the ballot boxes.There's a great I think I told you
guys about this one podcast I listenedto about the NHL All Star Game from
a few years ago, and uh, I'm gonna find it real quick.
But it talked about if you justgoogle, go to go to Hockey's All

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Star goon is what it's called.G o o ed. Oh. Yeah,
we talked about this or they puthim in there. It was a
great story. It's a great story. Something checked it out that, Yeah,
it's a great one. Welcome toTales from the Script, a bad
app Cincinnati high school sports podcast thatfeatures local coaches and athletes. You're your

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host, Frett Schneeber, Pat O'Connor, and Martin Eisley. All right,

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guys, Marty Eisley here the night'sguest on the pod. He's been a
high school football coach here in Cincinnatifor I think over two decades. Overall
record of like two hundred and sixteenand I think one hundred and two if
my math is correct in my research, two state championships. Been a head
coach with the same program this wholetime, coached his kids, had his

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boys all come through the program.Recently, it's in the GCL. Highly
respected head football coach at Elder HighSchool with over two decades cultivate aided a
tradition of excellence in sportsmanship. Underhis leadership, they've constantly been super strong,

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you know, just a great program, showcasing discipline players. His commitment
in developing student athletes is just crazy. How many players he's gone to put
in Division one, Division two,Division three, and several in the NFL.
Known for his ability to inspire andmentor of these young men on and
off the field. Like to introducecoach Doug Ramsey, Thanks for coming on,

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coach, Thanks for having me coach, WELC coach Now Martin's now,
Martin's research is usually ship. Ishe pretty close on some of those things?
Yeah? Actually I think he is. He talked about my son's recently
played. I got all three ofthem coaching. Now, so wow,

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how do you screw that up?Martin won't say that, right, that's
a the Belichicks. Oh you canfinally like yell at your coaches and have
them not get pissed off and quit. They can't quit, that's right,
I guess. Oh, so whatare they coaching? That's Peyton. Peyton

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coaches and quarterbacks. Uh, he'skind of been charge of the passing game.
Uh. And then Tanner, myoldest is is working with the fullbacks
and and and tight ends. Andthen uh my youngest, Drew is is
with the receivers, so, butDrew and Tanner will also work with the
JV team. Got now are teaching? Sorry sorry Mark, Yeah, Peyton,

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Peyton is a teacher. Teachers atSycamore, all right, Uh,
I mean coaches basketball there, butthen coaches football here. Uh. But
Drew still in colleges that you see, and and and Tanner's is not a
teacher. But that's that's two ofthe reasons we've got because you guys asked
earlier, you know, you Marty, you asked earlier about if I'm still

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in the building at seven o'clock,and uh, yeah, because we we
we have to practice in the eveningjust because of guys like them. That
Pat McAtee's another guy that's that's nota teacher. So we've got a few
guys on staff. It just makesit easier for those guys to to get
here in the evening. You know, Doug, back in the day,
I used to, uh, youknow, help out on JV a little

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bit while I was still you know, coach at varsity and you know,
just kind of sharing duties and everything. And I was always I was always
amazed at how many young guys youhad coaching freshmen and JV and they were
a lot of your former players.What is it about the older program that
makes those guys want to come backand really help out and get into the
the coaching ranks when as we know, I mean you look around, it's

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hard to find younger coaches these days. Yeah, yeah, we were lucky
with that. I think there's acouple of reason. I want obviously,
with the fan support and all thethings that coun football is important, you
know. And and I think theother thing too, is is we try
to have a I don't know programin which guys have fune and I think

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and we talked a lot about givingback, and I think guys they like
that opportunity to come back and bea part of beginning. Some of them
do it for a year, someof them do it for two years.
Some of them, you know,have been here for thirty years now,
you know what I'm saying. Soit's it's a lot of things. I
just think that it's it's it's aspecial place. I think guys are really
you know, they they there's alot of you know, people talk about

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that it's purple thing you wouldn't understandit's all these things there. I think
there is something to that that thereis a real brotherhood here in which which
guys have a great experience when theywere here, and then they want to
give back. And if giving backis being a part of football program in
which they enjoyed playing, that's that'sthat's what they do well. Coach has
a testament to how you treat peopletoo, Like if you if you ran

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a program that didn't treat people rightand didn't do things the right way,
you wouldn't have these people coming back. Trust me. Yeah, well,
some people say, some people wouldnot agree with that. And that's necessarily
because I'm I'm you know, here'swhat I get after our guys. But
I think our guys respect that becausethey know I've got their back. I'm
trying to have them perform at thehighest level, to be a good person,

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to do all the right things.And I might get mad at you
sometimes it's not because I don't likeyou, but I have very high expectations
for you, man. And Itell you, if I have higher expectations
for you than you have for yourself, and you've got a problem. And
I think a lot of kids thatthey respect that they don't mind the fact
that that that we get after thema little bit and push them in a

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right direction. And you'll see thoseguys come back. And they're kind of
the same way with the players.You know that they hold the players to
a very high standard. Doug.I find it hard to believe that you
actually get after your coaches on thesideline. I've never seen you do that
in all the years of coaching againstyou and on film, I've never seen
you light up another coach on thesideline. That's hard. That's a falsehood

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there. Now, those guys thehigh standards too, where you can your
brother can attest to that a littlebit. But there's guys that you know,
I do and and I think here'sthe thing that those guys understand too.
It's it's it's a heat of themoment, you know, when when
game's over, practice is over,we're in here, they're making fun of
me because stuff and set to them, and you know, and and and

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and obviously at that point in timethey have to take it. And but
but it is it's you know,I am I'm I'm I would be a
hard I admit I'd be a hardguy to work for because I do,
I do have high expectations and becauseagain it goes back to the kids.
You guys better be doing it thebest that you can to put our kids
in the best position to win.We can't make them win. We put

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them in position to win, andthen it's up to them to perform and
have have those opportunities. And soi'm i'm I'll get after them. If
I don't, I don't think thingsare going the right way. So coach
I It reminds me of a storyabout jumping on coaches and and getting on
players, and I think Bill Walshwas an excellent motivator. Uh talks in
one of his books about how heused to jump on coaches on purpose,

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in which that would a lot arrivedand kind of raise the alertness of his
players. So, thinking about BillWalsh, do you have any coaches that
you love model like really kind ofrespect out there? You know? For
me, I think, well,first I got to start with the guy
that coached me in high school andKen Minor, you know, can he

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he. I learned a lot Ithink from him about how to treat people,
you know, more than anything,and how to treat your teams and
and and and and that. SoI think starting with him, but then
you know, I think I've gotto meet a lot of of college coaches
through this job. I think MarkMark d Antonio was a guy that then

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I had a lot of respect for. Again just and he was a hard
guy. He got after people.But I think he had a great respect
at Sherada of Northwestern. I alwaysI thought very highly of him in the
way that that he did things andran programs and was in a situation where
he didn't have the same thing aseverybody else. You know, it's a
little hard to recruit guys in Northwesternit is Ohio State and and but still

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had a lot of a lot ofwinning seasons. So there's there's so many.
Urban Meyer was a guy I remembermeeting very young urban Meyer when he
was an assistant coach at Notre Nameand then working his way through and you
know, it was always a guythat you know, just he was always
about motivation. You know, howdo I motivate a guy? Coaches?

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How do I motivate coaches? Andhe was a guy that I think,
really for me, the way heheld coaches accountable is kind of the way
that I am it's it's it's thoseare your position guys. You take care
of them, You have a relationshipwith them. They shouldn't be screwing around
in school. You know that thatthat's on you. You're you're you're part

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of mentoring them in their life.So just guys like that I think are
big amazing. How you could bethe greatest x's and those guy and have
a mind, like you know,just off the charts in terms of you
know, being able to dial upthe right place. But you got to
be a part time psychologist sometimes too. Just to motivate kids. Coaches,
you really got to push the rightbuttons at times to be a successful head
coach. Button pushing is huge becausebecause you know, again like I'm hard

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on people, there's you know,it's the whole that we treat it.
But he's saying, no, wereally don't treat everybody's saying because some kids
don't. Some kids react when youwhen you tell them how good things work.
You know, some kids react betterwhen when you you put your foot
up there butt you know, theyneed a kick and things like that.
And you you got to get toknow your place, and I think that's
the whole thing too. And allthis is because you kind of had a

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relationship with your players that they theythey know that you care about them,
and then in turn they care aboutyou. And if you get after them
and and and things, they understand. It's almost like a parenting thing,
especially at my age now, althoughI'm getting closer to being their grandparenty,
but it is, you know,it is. I think our guys,
well, you know, they they'llthey'll go to position coaches first, but

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if there's really something important that they'llcome to me, you know, because
they know that I that that thatI care to switch it to just some
some football stuff like more x'es ando's and your philosophy. And I always
like asking coaches this. You know, you're an offensive coach. All three
of your sons came through they wereoffensive players. You can tell. That's

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kind of in your DNA thing.When you're when you're coming up with a
game plan or no practice script,are you trying to focus on what you
guys do really well and perfect whatyou do? Is your core for that
team, the bread and butter stuff, or do you spend more time looking
at your opponent and trying to findtheir weaknesses and coming up with a script

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that will explete what they do poorly. So I think that's a I think
I think it's both. I thinkfirst of all, we're about this is
what we do, and we gotto be really really good at and and
and so we'll give you as manydifferent looks of formations and things like that

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because we want you adapting to towhat we're trying to do. But at
the same time, we're gonna lookfor people in our system to go after,
like if we feel like that corneris a week player, or you
know that safety doesn't feel quite thesame way, or rown or just different
things that we can do to people, we will definitely do that, but
it will be in the framework ofwhat we do. You know, we're

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not We're not gonna jump each weekand go from hey, this is we're
gonna throw the ball sixty times thisweek, and then next week we're gonna
we're gonna throw the ball ten times. We got we've got core values and
what we believe in and what wethink, and we're you know, we're
pretty conservative. You know, we'rewe're gonna if we can on the ball,
we're gonna, we're gonna, we'regonna run it and run it and

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run it and run it. Youknow. But but then obviously things that
you have to be able to dothings off of that. But but I
think it's a combination. But forus, I think the first part more
is we got to be really good. We have to have something to hang
our hat on that we believe inthat we can do. We have to
be good at it. Coach acouple of things here. As you're talking,
it makes me, you know,it kind of sent a trigger off

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of my brain. You mentioned UrbanMeyer, and I think he was like
the first guy when he got youknow, the beat. This is twenty
years ago, and he got theBowling Green job and then went to Utah
and then Florida and Ohio State,and he was really big about equating the
numbers and using the quarterback in therun game. I've coached against you since
nineteen ninety nine, two thousand,whatever it was, and you guys weren't

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always a quarterback run team. Youknow. When I think back to early
two thousands with Bradley Gladayer, youwere you're more pro set type stuff,
and then you kind of went toa wide open, you know, of
an empty type deal. And nowover the last I don't know, six
seven, eight years, it's beenheavy quarterback run game. Is that because
of the effect of what urban Meyerkind of brought to the football world or

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is it just what you guys havebeen blessed with as far as ability goes
and talent at that position. Well, I think it's it's one he went
that I study. I spent timeeven when he's at Utah flew out and
spent time in tall was up inBowling Green a few times. And I
think his ideas in the quarterback rungame really did influence, you know,

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what we do because we actually startedin two thousand and one was the first
year that we really started running thecourt. We we had Keith Boulder at
quarterback. Oh yeah, and sothat was that was one, I think
the best team we ever had.We lost in the regional final and and
but we we really got started withthe run game. And then when the

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next two years when we had Bandyplaying at tailback, we did ron flooring
ran the ball a little bit,but not you know not, I think
I remember. I think I remember, like the state championship game, you
guys ran Florian quarterback ice Oh himquite a bit in that game because there's
two reasons. Bradley was hurt couldn'trun and Rob and Rob couldn't raise his

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right arm, his shoulder, thethroat. Luckily, we got the lead
in that game, and it wasjust let's let's let's hold on. Yeah,
but yeah, what the and thenand then we want you're right.
Then, for a little while wehad quarterbacks who who weren't runners. And
I think the way the game haschanged. You know, I'm a firm
believer if your quarterback is not mobile, you're in big trouble. Your quarterback

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got to get out of trouble.And and then you think about the run
game, the numbers game. Youknow, you get that extra blocker now,
you know. And and so wewe obviously love a lot of our
po stuff with our with our quarterbackruns and and so you're really try to,
you know, spread the field andand what are they going to take
away? You know? Last year, you know, we were blessed with

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a pretty good running quarterback and andand and so we took it back.
Now, a lot of people,a lot of the other fans that I
liked that there was a one guyhe said a group of fifty seven grads
that had a petition to get mefired because they were running the quarterback too
much. But uh, you knowhow that goes. But but you know,
it's it's an advantage. I mean, I wouldn't want to have to,

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uh to do that all the time. And in some ways it's fun
because you can get really kind ofcreative with formations and things that you do.
And but but I do think thatthat you have to have some mobility.
I just know that, you know, coaching against you guys playing that
three three stack and you've got thatextra safety, you know, you usually

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uh usually one of the sand Usboys number twenty nine is sitting down in
there and that that that weak sideboundary, that week side hash and it's
hard to get to him. Andthen playing against Steve's you know Steve's defense
over at Saint X where where theyalways have one of the Hungley boys number
four, who's sitting in there inthe middle. It's hard to get those
guys. If you don't run thequarterback, you're running the ball up hill

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because you're there's an extra blocker inthere that you're just an extra tackler that
you can't take care of. Andthank goodness we had we had a running
quarterback with Zach Brandam, and wewere able to do that to attack both
you guys and Saint X. Andthat's the only it's here to that or
you've got to take shots and thenyou're facing a lot of third and fifteens,

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right, And is that's the youknow the thing we're you know,
we're not always blast Oh I'm notjust talking about us, but in high
school in general, you know,always blessed with with great offensive lines or
you know this this this tellback that'sgoing to be a big time Division one
player. So you've got to you'vegot to find different ways better because you
do have to run the ball something. There's gonna be games you have to

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run the ball. And so howare you gonna do that. Are you
gonna run triple option or are yougonna be a quarterback run whatever it is.
You have to find a way tobe able to run it with in
your quarterback be involved in it.Now, Coach, you said something about
that nineteen fifty seven team wanted tosecond guess you, now, are you

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guys still doing Dad's Club? Anelder? We do? We do?
Yeah? You one of the fewteams few teams from schools that still do
that. Yeah. It's funny becauseevery once in a while I'll get a
phone call or an email saying,how do you guys do this dance club
thing? And I'm like, don'tdo it because so so walk me through

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this because every once in a while, like I'll hear from friends, Yeah,
out with the dance club. ButI'm like, so, like,
is it just a film? Then? Like the coach is talking about this
because like I understand like how itstarted it was film, but what is
it morphed into or is it justthat are you sitting there taking questions?
And is it? Like the show? Go ahead? So so we start.

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I come in and and and I'llsay a few words about about the
So it's this Tuesday night. Wellthat's the thing. I don't like,
it's Tuesday talking about last Friday's game, you know. So I'm already trying
to move on to to the tothe next game. But you go in
and and we we you know,I talk a little bit about then we
show the film and I try topoint out good plays that kids made,

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you know, and try to explainsome of the things that we're doing try
to explain how hey, you know, this isn't our p O. This
is a look here, this iswhat we should have done here defensively,
what are we trying to do?So I tried to, you know,
try to educate a little bit aboutwhat we're doing. And then one of
the film's over, then I justkind of, uh talk a little bit

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of you know, if we gotan injury here or there or whatever,
and then talk about the next thenext opponent and and and what they're going
to be like. And if it'snot, it's really not horrible. It's
just I think just a little bitextra time, you know, because now
I'm here two or three more hoursthan I normally would be on a Tuesday

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night. And you said something thatreally kind of uh sparked something. Was
the fact that you're educating. AndI love that because there are so many
times you're using language in that inthat you know, meeting and a dance
club and you're sitting there saying,this is what we're looking for, and
that might get rid of some ofthose guys who have no fucking clue what

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they're talking about or what you're lookingfor, and or they think that they
play grade school football, or hey, they watched this on a Saturday or
a Sunday, and this is whatwe should be doing. Wise, Doug
doing that, and this is explainingthe X and o's it a little bit
better. And that's because it's notone of those things around bashing players or
pointing out bad play. Yeah,it's about a way a kid did well
and here's what we're trying to maynot have worked, but this is what

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we're trying to do. There wasa couple of years ago and I tried
to really pumped this guy because heasked he you know, he asked a
very simple question. He's like,coach, you talk about cover two and
cover three? What's the difference?You know? And I and I explained,
and I and I looked a him. I said, you know what,
I'm glad you had the best questionbecause probably another fifty guys in this

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room have no idea either, butthey won't admit it, you know.
So so yeah, it is youtry, you try, and if you
spend it time and listen, Iwould hope you can learn something when you're
in there. But I don't knowif people are listening years ago, is
you know, listener doesn't know.My brother has been an assistant coaching elder

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for I think his first year mayhave been your first year, Doug.
This will be his twenty eighth year. So yeah, So as a young
as a young guy, my brother'scoaching there. I wasn't involved in anything.
So I went to dance Club acouple of times just so I can
throw peanuts at him from the back. And the only thing I remember are
the cold cuts. Man, therewas a deli tray of all those weird
old lunch needs like pickle loaf,pepper loaf. The first time I've ever

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taken a bite of freaking leg what'sthat nasty as Limburger cheeseburger cheeses I took
a bite of the Limburger cheese sandwichwith mustard onion on. It was gonna
vomit. That's all I remember aboutdance Club is there was some classic old
West Side nasty ass salami, sweatysalami. Yeah it's changing a little bit

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now. It's still some cold cuts. But then they have nights where guys
will uh uh no, no,smoke some pork shoulders or do some stuff
like do it's hey, boys,we're in We're Inns from the script coming
live from Dance Club US. Talkabout your seniors and and what you guys

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are expecting in terms of the squadthis year. We're hoping to do a
little bit of a GCoL preview witheach of the four teams. So no
more than you know, we're notgonna spend all night on, but talk
about this coming this upcoming team,upcoming years, very inexperienced. I'll start
with that offensive. I'll started onthe offensive side of the ball. You
know, when you when you look, we've we've we've got the two kids

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that shared time at tailback back.We've got Bradon bowing back at tight end,
and that's that's maybe path We've hadat played a little receiver here and
there. So uh we Uh hewas a good kid. I had to
spend a little time with him lastyear. He's a great, really good

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he's really I think the leader ofour team. You know, high expectations
for him. He's already committed touh to play at Miami. You know.
So he's got he's got a goodtalent, big kid and and uh
you know so so he's he's kindof our leader. So it's gonna be
one of those things that I mean, we graduated all five offensive lineman from
last year, you know, sowe've got a battle at uh you know,

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at quarterback, we've got a seniorand Eli Roden and then we've got
a all Moore and uh and inCaden Eestepp and and those two guys are
going to battle it out and uh, you know kind of see how how
we go with that. But uh, I think, really I think this

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offensive group will probably be better nextyear than this year, just because we're
gonna play a lot of underclass whenwe can end up playing two maybe three
sophomorees with about six juniors, youknow, quite possibly with this group.
So uh so it'll see. Ithink it'll be one of those those feels
that there's gonna be a learning curve. And so uh I talked about Eli,

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well, his dad, Jay uhRoaden is going to be our our
defensive coordinator this year, and andI've already informed him that the first part
of the season is on you.You've got to keep teams in check.
I don't know if we're gonna bescoring forty two points a game to start
the season off, So we wegot to play. We've got to play
good defense. And and we've gotsome guys defensively, you know, Maddix

(35:58):
Arnold and and Georgia could do Leewho've both played a lot of linebacker for
us. So we've got some somekey calls there in the middle. But
again up front and that corner,there's a lot of inexperience. We don't
have anybody that really played significant downson the d lineback, Uh, no
one that really played significant downs atcorner, you know. So it's uh,

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it's it's uh, it's it's experience. And and today today was our
first real day of of of apractice. We kind of save our stuff
for July. And it's at theend of practice I talked about I said,
you know, the coaches were justkind of like we seemed a little
tentative with a lot of things today, And I think that's just because there's
so much inexperience. You know.One, we've we've changed our defense,

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you know, we're we're we're we'regoing to be a fifty slant and angle
team now and and so there's youknow a little bit of a learning curve
there. Things that guys have neverdone before. Only having a couple of
starters back on offense, you know, So you know, today was was
kindind of like, you know,guys were moving a little slow, And
I think it's going to be abig learning curve for Board A S group.

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But I do think there's just somepotential, you know for a pretty
pretty pretty decent squad. You know, like, well the scrimmages tell you
a lot or do you kind ofapproach scrimmages is you know, we're gonna
we're going to really keep our startersin for a series or two, not
getting anybody heard, give some someguys that might not be number one on
the depth chart and opportunity to earna position, or are you going to

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have to take scrimmages now to getreps? Because scrimmage are they're always important
to us, but this year willbe especially true. So, you know,
our first scrimmage Lakota West, youknow, so you get to find
out a lot of things there,and our second scrimmage is gonna, you
know, is going to begin stillkill. So we played in the playoffs
and and and I think they're goingto be I think they're going to be

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a pretty competitive squad. Issue.They were pretty good at the end of
last year, got a lot ofguys back. They've got a couple really
quality players on defense, you know, So so it'll be a good both
of those games. Will we testfor us and we will use, definitely
use our guys because shoot, evenat that point we may be sure our
quarterback is, we may still haveto just we've got to play everybody.

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Let the quarterback get get equal repswith with all the starters in there.
So yeah, the scrimmages will behuge. Yeah, and you open up
Week one against pretty talented with rowsquad who I know has a first year
a new head coach. But Ithink they've got a little bit coming back
from last year having a pretty talentedthey do. And I will say that
one guy's not coming back and I'mnot to see christ Henry junior league that

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was okay helps, but yet theystill have another receiver who is name states
me, who's a four star widereceiver though. So they've got a stud
uh there, and uh, they'vegot a couple I know, they've got
an outside linebacker, defensive end guythat's committed to U see and and and
some other So they've got a becauseit's quality team for sure. And then
the coach that's head coach, thatwas a defensive coordinator last year, so

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he's comforted to kids. Not muchas changing. I believe they hired a
uh one amount Saint Joe's assistant coachesto be their offensive coordinator, so uh,
I'm sure they'll be uh, there'llbe a good test to start the
season. Coaches. This one ofthose typical elder schedules where you play six
of your first seven games at thepit close. We've got seven seven at

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home. Oh my god. Itwas supposed to be six home for away,
but Springboro called one of the flipflop, so we were we were
there two years ago, home thispast year and we're supposed to go up
there. But they called and oneof their league games got changed. They're

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like, we got to keep firstguys with five and five. So we
were like, okay, that's oneof us. We'll go seven. Yeah.
So we got to travel all theway with the way to Withrow and
all the way to Nip to playMolar. So that's that's not big.
But then what what I don't likeabout, like just today's schedule and where
the GCL is is you might havehome games put your planning team from it

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could be from wherever around the freakingregion, and they don't bring people.
It's just weird seeing you know,as a kid Friday Nights Man, every
stadium was packed. You're playing allcity teams and it's just a little bit
weird. Now, what's your takeon, I hate to play all these
out of town teams. So Ihate. I don't like it at all.
It's it's but it all goes tothe Harbon system and the way we

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we choose, the way you makethe playoffs, and and so it got
people trying to create schedules for mediocritybecause you still make it, you know
what I mean. So so youthink about the great rivalries that have been
lost because of you know, theplans. You know, Hope kills an

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elder. You don't don't play anymore, and and and I'm and I'm part
of that. But you know,there's a couple of years that we we
we didn't make the playoffs last yearor a few years back, and we
played them. They were zero toten. We missed making the playoffs by
like zero point two points. Ifthey win one game, we're in,
you know. And so so sometimesyou know, like Moeller doesn't play Sycamore

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anymore. Lasal's not playing chle Rainall the time. You know, you
you you know you used to beWyoming and Roger Bacon play and all these
games. But you don't. Youdon't have that because and then and so
these bigger leagues and things are goingto nine league games, yeah, correct,
MC nine league games, right,they had one non conference right,

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so you right, that's the onlytime. And so it's it's and we're
obviously we're down to three big schoolsbecause we can't get a Bacon to play
us anymore. You can't get aPercell. You can't. You know,
used to when I started here inthe late eighties, right, we played
we played Woodward and West Hide,we played Bacon and Purcell, and you

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played the three league games and youhad Oak Hills, you know what I
mean. And the schedules for setnot every year every year. And now
you're you're you're fighting to to uhto uh find the team out of Virginia
or find a team out of Floridafor Week eight to come up and play.
I don't I don't like it.I don't you know, the days

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of of playing on Friday night.I don't like playing on Saturdays, you
know, but the days of theFriday night rivalry, of Friday night league
games, when when the league actuallyreally really meant something like we we say
it means something today, But we'reall positioning for the playoffs, you know
what I mean, Like it's it'sit's not, it's not it's not what

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it used to be. You know, it's in. And I don't know
what the right number is to takefor the playoffs. You know, the
four I liked them became too difficult. Eight was it bad? It's to

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me, I don't know. Igo between four and everybody. You know
what, let's just say to heckwith, let's go that way. You
can play whoever you want to play, and you're still going to be in.
I think I think Indiana does itbest. I really do. I
mean, they play I think it'seight regular season games and then your ninth
game is your first round of theplayoff game, and everybody goes into playoffs,

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and so you have you have aneight team sectional, and I think
they seed them after like week sevenmaybe, and so then they have a
drawl and you know, these arethe eight teams in your sectional that you're
going to be competing against every year, but everybody's in the playoffs and so
you can go if you want to. You know, if you want to

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take a shot and play it.Play a team in an upper division or
in a lower division, it doesn'tmatter because you're not worried about the Harbon
points and everything. And I justthink it would make make scheduling so much
easier for teams like the GCL schools. Yeah, yes, I I think
it would be more fun. Ithink a kid at Oak Hills or a
kid at Coleraine, or a kidwould love to play a home and home

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with Elder or Moler or ex erless out. You know what I'm saying
that those would be Those are fungames. It's kind of why you do
it, you know what I mean. It's it's supposed to be fun.
It's supposed to be competitive, it'ssupposed to be pop Yeah, I mean,
come on, that's better than that. I mean, not not to
play a team week eight from SaintLouis, right, That stinks and we're

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we're you know, that's unfortunately,we're we're stuck in that so much.
Now are we play We're playing ateam from Maryland this year and a team
from Michigan. I think that's it. I think we've wont I think we've
only got But then you know,and then you have the Saint Ed's game,
which when we play, that's notThey don't bring very many people down

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here. And when we go Burnplay it's it's it's like a it's like
a fresh speaking Yeah, what's thenumber when we get When we get Steve
Speck on the show, I can'twait to ask him how in the hell
they managed to bring their entire programto Chicago. A couple of years ago
when they played that Loyal team,they brought their freshmen. Their freshmen traveled

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with them and played a freshman gameon Saturday morning up in freaking Chicago.
I just want to ask, logisticallyhow they made that work. If you
just had a keyword, I thinkit's a logistics company. That is the
big booster that. I'm serious.I was thinking logistics that you said logistically,
how do they do it? Ithink I think somebody footed the bill,
but most schools aren't able to dothat. Hey, Doug, while

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we're on the topic of plane,he's out of town teams. We had
Tom Bolden On last year he talkedabout when when Hoover his first game at
Cole Rain, he played against Hooverand and Burns out of South Carolina.
Who are some of the great teamsthat you guys have faced? Who are
some of the memorable athletes and things? Good question. God, That's why

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I'm here, Pat, That's whyI'm here right up. Who were some
of the great teams that you facedthat maybe that the average listener hasn't heard
of? Well, the I thinkthe best team that we ever played was
back in O two, Warren Centralfrom Indianapolis was absolute. I think they

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had twelve or thirteen D one guyson that team. Then we played,
Uh, what's that school out therein northern California? Uh? No days?
Is it Davis? The one theone that won With all the teams
that was that was a machine.I've never seen an offensive line run,

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counter and veer option and just itwas. It was unbelievable. Uh,
Saint Thomas Aquinas from from Florida waswas was an unbelievable team. But I
tell you that the most memorable thingwe played Miami Central probably about twenty seventeen
eighteen, and we're playing it's it'sa tight game. We knock out there

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starting running back. We're like,oh right, yeah, knock out their
second running back. Okay, thirdrunning back goes in. It's Dalvin Cook.
You know. So it was likethat's their third running back was Dalvin
Cook. He was in sixth grade. But I think if I remember right,
the first two guys also spent timein the NFL. So it's like,

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oh, we played teams I thinkreally memorable. We played Charlotte Independence
at Nippert and that was part ofthe Ohio. Yeah. And and they
they had one hundred and eight gamewinning streak coming in here, and and
and we had played Kyle Rudolph wasa tight end, and we had a

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fourth and twenty one and we throwone up to him and got it.
We go on to score and winthe game. And that was a but
that team had some hand some players. Then I was I was on the
receiving end of a couple of thoseKyle Rudolph completions on third and twelve,
you know, over the kills.One. He was pretty pretty good player.
Yeah, he was pretty good.It was hard to cover. Let's
just say that. And then Cash, what was the team We played a

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team just in nineteen from uh alwaysforget their name, Clearwater Academy. So
they're down in Clearwater and they hadkids from all over the place. They
had five or six kids who didn'tspeak English because they're from French Canada,
you know, French part of Canada. And because there was actually one kid

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that that played and the pit twoyears in a row. He played for
a Canadian team his junior year andhe played for a Florida team is his
senior year. But but this teamwe won. We won sixty two fifty
six. I remember that. Andand they they had to bault into the
game and they're you know, driving, And I looked one one of our

(48:55):
coaches, like, we scored sixtytwo to night, we're going to get
beat and we got a pick andand and one. But I will say
that that has been fun. Youknow some of the teams that you I
don't want to do it four orfive times a year, you know,
maybe once a year, once everyother year to play some of those teams,

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because your kids do get an opportunitythat to play against some some some
guys that are going to go onand that that are going to be playing
at Alabama and Ohio State and Clemsonand some of those guys go on and
and and and play in the NFL. So it is. It is fun
in that way, but just sometimesit's too much. Okay, you say

(49:37):
you want to do it, butlet me give you a bit of advice.
If if I amg Ever calls hangup, just hang up, don't
don't take the call. If Iamg Ever says they want to play out
or just hang up. Which isa good story because there's a guy who
brokers games and I won't mention thisname, but he's from New Jersey and
the year that lets out played justa couple of years, right, He's
trying to get us a plan andI said, look, we weren't.

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That's not who we're not in thatworld. We're not. That's not who
we are. Yeah we weren't either, but yeah, no, no,
no one in Ohio. I don'tknow, but hey, Bishop Sycamore wasn't
it. But this this this guybroke in the game. He called me
a coward for saying, no,I'm like, we got guys, we

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got our guys from the West Side. You know, we're going up and
play. We're gonna have some goodteams and some really good players. But
because they tried to play, theywanted to play US in twenty and fifteen,
and we said no. The nextday Tommy Kramer, who was playing
tackle for US, went They calledhim and asked him if you wanted to

(50:45):
transfer away. Oh yeah, that'ssome stuff that happened, Doug. I'm
telling you, we could have puttogether a g CL All Star team and
we wouldn't have played. We wouldhave been within forty of them, right.
It's it's not when you when yougot plugs from all over the country
that are all four or five starguys. The collection of talent on the

(51:08):
field. That night, they rolledout for warm ups and I'm standing next
to Pat McLoughlin and he said,Brett, we're in trouble. I said,
I could have told you that backsix months ago when you scheduled we
wind up, said, what wereyou thinking? I went to a lot

(51:30):
of elder games over the years,obviously to my brother's a coach, and
I can remember being at the pitonce and you guys were playing against st.
Ed's no idea what the year was, but it was the year that
that uh a rookie Nakamura. Thatname sounds familiar. Two thousand, two
thousand and three thousand, had noidea who this guy was. Walking into

(51:52):
the stadium watching that game, Iwas like, what. So we played
them in the state finals and hethey played at Moler Saturday, and I
went to to watch the game.Martez Williams knocked him out of the game
on a pump return and he hadwhat forty five tackles in that game.

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I mean it, every tackle byKnockamore, he tackle by knockamorey. So,
Dougas It's the only reason we beathim because we knocked him out of
the game late in the game.Because so said, in that state final,
we told our receivers every time thatwe were running the ball that Bradley
was getting the ball. Both receiversyou run at knockamoury yep. Those corners

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can try to tackle all they want, but you guys, you we have
to at least get in his wayso he's not making tackles for two yard
games. That guy was a yeah, he was. He was a freak.
Yeah. The good ones. Uh. Maurice Clarette was another guy you
guys played against back in the day. He was fun to watch. He
was. That was a So weplayed them. We had a home with

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them, so we played them inon the ninety or two thousand. We
went up there in two thousand andI remember that. I remember pregame and
it's always it was way before we'djust gotten there and he's walking on the

(53:21):
field. All he had on washis his his pants, game pants,
no shirt, and I'm like,oh lord, we're in trouble. And
he probably he did a pretty goodnumber on us that game, and he
we but Ricky Brown had a latekickoff return for touchdown made it close.
Then the next year they came downhere and and one, like they said,

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I thought was our best team,and I think we held in about
twenty three yards rushing or whatever.And then in two he was gone.
But that's who we played in thestate finals and two then they had a
couple of Paris on our team.To think about that, he went from
being the stud running back his juniorsenior year at Warren Harding to be in

(54:05):
the freshman stud running back on thenational championship Ohio state team against that Miami
team that had like the defense,every every defensive player got drafted. I
mean that shows you how how muchof a stud that guy was. Yes,
yeah, you've seen some good onesover the years. Dog coach Doug,

(54:27):
I got a question for how'd youget involved in coaching. I'm always
curious to see what what career pathand well in your career and how you
got into teaching and coaching and whowere your influences. Yeah, it's interesting
because I really have no desire.So I I went away to play football
at Louisville and I was in inbusiness program, and you know, things

(54:49):
didn't work out. I stopped playingfootball, I transferred back to UC,
got into history because I was gonnago to law school. Ken Minor,
my high school coach, called meup and said, hey, can you
help out. I just, youknow, our junior high needs somebody.
I know you're in school, youcould, you know, And I started
to do it, kind of fellin love with it, and for two
years and then and then Tom Grippagot the job at Elder and the Grippers

(55:15):
were from reading. You know,I knew his brothers really well. He
calls me up and says, Igot I got a position, come over
here and call plays for the JV. And then I really really kind of
fell in love with it. Andthen so of course then I got a
degree in history that's meaningless and becauseI'm not going to law school now,

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but you're a historian technically, right, yeah right, yeah right, you
know elder football history, that's whatit is. So then I went and
I got certified to teach and kindof got lucky. Somebody left here in
around nineteen ninety around Thanksgiving, Ibecame a long term sub and I've been

(55:58):
teaching here ever since. Uh kindof work. And you're teaching history,
I teach. I teach world history, and I have a geography class.
Gotcha? What's your favorite part ofhistory? What I don't teach? My
favorite part of teacher I'd love tobe doing. I was uh uh my
kind of what do you call yourmajor in it? And I was a

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I was a revolutionary American guy.That was That was my favorite time period
with that. But now with theI've been teaching world history for the whole
time i've been here, so Ican't remember give Hi Matt Eisley some of
my history notes when he was gettinginto teaching, and uh, I used
to teach and my Revolutionary War.Uh test, there was this the toughest

(56:42):
test to give all year coach.I thought this one guy was cheating the
first like first three or four,you know chapters. So I said,
screw this, I'm mailing the sonof a bitch. There's no way that
he's gonna be able to do.So the question was the test was one
question, just tell me how theRevolutionary War started? And it was the
son of a bitch question. Youhad to have all these points and all
the acts and everything else, likethat, tell me how I got here.

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And then I couldn't wait for thiskid to put in this his test,
and this thing was front back,front back. I looked at him.
I reddit like, this was purpose, like, dude, you don't
pay attention to class. You sleepall the time. Tell me how in
the hell you're acing my class rightnow. And he goes, I'm just
smart, man, I'm just smart, dude. I And I was like,

(57:27):
god damn it. I was likeI thought, like you know,
I was, you don't want tocatch anybody cheating. But there was no
way that this guy's getting a's andlike he's falling asleep and uh is,
But no, that's a great partof history, right there, great part
of history. Hysterical. Wow,coach. I was just reading some some
stats from the Media Guide from lastyear. Your Elder in football is going
into its one hundred and second year, which is incredible. Right overall is

(57:52):
a program six hundred and forty fourwins and you've got two hundred and sixteen
represent thirty three thirty four percent thewins in Elder High School. Like,
that's a pretty incredible stat to thinkabout it. That school has been around
for one hundred and two years,but I've almost been here for thirty three
percent. So this will be yeartwenty as a head coach. So yeah,

(58:17):
it's it's you know, and it'sbeen with that when you look at
those things, it is it isreally cool to look at that. And
and I think what I like aboutit more than anything is is we've we've
done things, you know, theright way, and we've we've we've challenged
ourselves. You know. It's notlike we wracked up two hundred plus wins

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against cupcakes, you know what Imean, some really good teams and and
and that's what I think people alwaysask about our kids. It's like,
you know, you play these theseteams, how do you know, how
do you guys do. And Isaid, well, you know, our
our kids are really tough. Ourkids enjoy that, you know, they
they they people, all them Theycan't win this game, and it's it

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becomes a challenge. And I thinkthat's I think that's why I love this
place more than anything, is thatit's just the mentality of you. You
might be bigger and faster and stronger, whatever, but we're we're going to
compete with you. Even if youbeat us most of the time. You

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know, you've been in a gamewith us, We're going to fight our
asses off and it's going to bea physical battle. And I just I
just have a great appreciation that sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old kids understand
that that that's how you succeed inlife. That just you know, being
a competitive person that has a littlebit of mental toughness can take you a

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long way. Yeah, we're lookingI'm looking at this. Uh, this
is going into last year's game versusLASAL, which is where you know WORLSU
guys and this one volunteer he putstogether all these stats, but in the
past ten meetings prior to last year'sgame. Uh, it's uncanny Elder and

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lasaur five and five. The pointsscored two hundred and forty six for Elder
two hundred and forty for the South. Rushing touchdowns Elder had twenty three,
Lasal had twenty. Passing touchdowns Elderhad ten and South had nine. You
know, even the average rushing yardsper game, it's uncanny how close you

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average those numbers over that. Now, not every game was closed, but
but you've been down there. Thesegames, those are those are those are
good football games, like we saidat the beginning, in some horrible weather,
horrible it's gonna be rain and snowand wind blowing one hundred miles an
hour whatever, But they're gamie.Like the last year's game was was was

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a class you know, that wasa great game. You go back a
couple of you the COVID game therewas just you know, those are just
they're just great, great games.In nineteen when we were in the state
finals, that is the best gameI've ever coached it. Well, now
one the state championship in D twoand that game was you know, we're

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going for two at the end ofyou know, like it was we don't
get it and lose a game,but you know, and I think you
know, as a coach, youknow, you remember losses obviously, you
know, I hate losing more thanI like winning all that kind of stuff.
But at some point you look backat games like that, you're like,
man, that was a pretty awesomegame, you know, even if
you didn't win that game, becauseagain, it was it was about it

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was about kids competing at a highlevel, you know, and and and
finding a way to do things.It's just I don't I think that's why
coaching in our league is so great. Doug, you're mentioning all these games.
Don't forget about the twenty seventeen gamein the driving rain storms out when
you guys are driving and you hadthe ball for the last I think four

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minutes of the game. It waslike thirty minutes of real time in life,
Like there was a penalty. Eldergets a first down, it's third
and ten, there's a defensive holdingit, Elder gets a first down.
You just kept chipped and it's pouringdown. I mean, folks listening,
you have no idea the weather conditionsthat these kids played in that night.
It was sideways rain, and neitherteam would back down that those games were

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so much fun to coach in andplay in. Yeah, because that's the
what if. If we ever changedthat and move that that game from I'll
be happy in some ways that it'smoved up, because that's a hard game
before the playoffs starts. Oh yeah. But the same time, I think
I will miss that Week ten game, you know, playing Arrival, And

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it means so much to the kids. I mean because they grow up on
the West side of Cincinnati playing againsteach other. They've known each other since
third and fourth grade, and Ialways on the weekends. Yeah yeah,
like like they're friends on social media. And I used to I used to
tell people like doing a scatter reportfor the elder game was easy, Like

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I just put the names up onthe screen, and they knew who they
were. They've been playing basketball andfootball against them for for six seven eight
years. You're right, It's likeI always ask a kid, I say,
is this is this kid tough ornot? Yeah? Or no?
Or you know what I mean?Right right with them, it's it's so
yeah, that's the toughest part ofthe pods. Coming up for the next

(01:03:42):
few minutes, We've got a littlesegment called nine for ninety all right,
strap in and put you on thehot seat. What this is? Ready
to go a rapid rapid fire firstthing that comes to your head. You
know, I have no idea whatO'Connor's got planned, but I guarantee it's
something absolutely freaking ridiculous. But well, I'm nervous. I'll tell you.
Yeah. Well, and I thinkthat now that I know that you're a

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history guy, I might get ridof question seventy eight nine and really gets
to the heart of the matter ofof what you think of John Adams versus
b Franklin. And I'm on theAmerican stuff. Now, yeah, that's
just the world history. First question, give me your mount Rushmore of quarterbacks.

(01:04:25):
Uh, frank is gonna be weird? Fran Tarkington, Damn Marino,
Joe Montana, and Tom Brady.So why which one's weird? Fran Fran
Tarkington. I mean just because incredible, that's incredible, that's all. That's
great. He wore purple, Hewore purple, and he is kind of

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what our little quarterbacks. Yes,yes, he's a running quarterback. You're
right. Yeah, he was undersizedand you know, just like our five
foot nine, five foot ten quarterbackrun around make place. Okay, let
me ask you this, who wouldyou rather have coached him? Er Lamar
Jackson, Oh Jackson. I loveFrank Tarkin, But Lamar Jackson. The

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stuff you can do with that guy? Who another guy that wore purple or
wears purple. That's right. Soin your mind this goes into the question
number two, very well, bestrunning quarterback of all time? Jackson?
Lamar Jackson of all time, ofall time? I mean, he just
would. What he can do isjust he's a freak. It's absolutely freak.

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Yes, And I'm thinking of Urbanand I'm thinking of Tim Tebow and
everything I love played the game,Michael Vick. But Lamar speed is just
is just it's Changingam Newton is seventyfive rushing touchdowns, which Cam Newton is
another guy. It's different. Himand Tebow were one style of I'm gonna

(01:05:59):
run you over. Ye. Lamaris like can you catch me? Yes?
All right? Question number three,what high school stadium or what what
stadium do you love coaching in?And it doesn't have to be high school
besides the pit, I can't saythe pip. I will say in this
area. I love when we getto play at Nippert. I think every

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stadium is awesome. If I hadto say a high school stadium. We
don't get to plan too money aroundhere. But uh, I I like
playing. I like Planet Acts.I just I like I like how much

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their fans hate us. And it'syou know what I mean. I just
really it's it's it's it's it's it'sa it's a it's a really good atmosphere.
There's nothing better than the silence aftera victory over there. Silence is
definitely I don't want to but whenwe went for two and overtime and won
it, that was just you know, places going crazy. We score and

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within five seconds people are leaving.You know, that was walking, That
was that was That was very enjoyable. And it's such an easy parking lot
to get out of too. Yeahright, yeah, now you're now you're
playing against Moeller at Nippert this year. Now are you They got rid of
the skyline Crosstown where we're invited.Yeah, then wouldn't let let you see

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hosted anymore? You know, youcan get some million dollars a play,
but you can't have high school teamsplay in your stadium. That's another you
know, When did they get ridof that? It's been with five or
six years now, Yeah, Ithink so. Yeah. All right,
question four, So far you're doingreally well coach, so far you get
today? Awesome? If you're goingto one concert, who would you be

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listening to? Uh? Eric Church? All right? What were you with?
He was at River Bend one lastyear. Yeah, I thought I
saw you down there were rock androlling. Huh. Yeah, I'm a
big fan. I just think he'sa he can do a lot of things

(01:08:15):
that a lot of country. Hecould sing any style good. What was
it was the band that Rodenberg said, we had John on the dirt the
Dirty Heads Dirty that sounds that soundsabout like god reggae rock bands. He
saw them at Red Rocks in Colorado. All right, now that's that's a

(01:08:39):
bucket list I've got. Well JohnJohn travels every weekend. I don't know
if you if you see like anyof his social media stuff that he was
just up at Yankee Stadium I thinklast week with his family, travels every
I don't know how he has timeto coach his kids. Yeah, right,
must be nice. I guess stillin New York. So maybe that's

(01:09:00):
like maybe you know, okay,okay, all right. Coached question for
five most talented player you've coached,Well, nepotism. It's funny, you
know, say, I would sayDrew is the best all player ever coached,

(01:09:25):
even though he couldn't get individual scholarship. But I would say the boy
I get in trouble in this onebecause obviously how Rudolph was was really special.
Tommy Kramer was dominant, dominant.Uh yeah, I think between those

(01:09:48):
two guys, if you just saidthe best player at their position, Joe
Royer was was pretty was pretty phenomenalas well. Uh, I'm I'm I'm
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna say, Kyle, I just have to say,
I think you're I think you're safe. Yeah, you're safe because his
name is on the weight room.So you're you're You're good there. I

(01:10:09):
see, I see what you're doing. I'm you know. Uh six are
you a cook? And if youare, what are you making? I
am a cook. I love tocook. Uh what do you want?
I'm a I love the smoke,big grill guy, got my blackstone?

(01:10:30):
Uh? Probably are you making smash? You make a little love botch.
Although I think I think my kidswould say they'd rather have breakfast on the
Blackstone or uh stir fry over thethe burgers. But uh probably if anything,

(01:10:50):
they'd asked me to make jumpalayah overover anything. Oh, I gotta
try that. I gotta try that. Yeah, I'm I don't do any
things. I coach football, andI cook and I walk and then everything
else is with my family. SoI think there's a I think there's a
T shirt that says I coach footballand smoked meat. I need that one.

(01:11:15):
We actually have kind of competition.We'll do coaches get because most of
everybody in here is uh, theylike to they like to do the same
thing. So everybody has to bringa smoke meat whatever to a party and
so that's a good time. That'sgood. Uh. Question seven, ticket
to any sports game in the history. Where would you be sports game in

(01:11:41):
history? I would probably have toI don't enjoy going to sporting events today
because I think fans are out oftheir minds to probably go back in time.
And that's what I'm going away from. I think one of I think
it would have been cool to seewhen when when NC State won the NCAA
basketball tournament, Oh yeah, againstGeorgetown. I think that would have been

(01:12:09):
pretty pretty cool thing to see JimmyB. Yeah, Jimmy B. I
think yeah, you know, I'venever really thought about that in the past
things too. There's so there's somany cool opportunity to see in NC State
obviously would rank up there and beinga part of that magic. Uh,

(01:12:29):
going to any of those basketball games, I mean we I mean I remember
when the regionals were at the Coliseum, right Indiana and Steve Alford were there
and that was l s U yes, yes, yeah, to see yeah,
to see some of those those guysplay. I think it would have
been pretty cool to when you lookback now, it's to to to go
to when when Magic Johnson and LarryBird played in the NCAA Final. I

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think that would have been that's youknow, as a hindsight thing where you're
like, what that would have been? That would have been awesome. Yeah.
Uh. Travel. Where do youwant to go to or where?
Where's the best place you've been to? The best place I've been to?
Probably just as far as Sheer Beautyis is is Aruba. I want to

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go to. I want to goto Ireland. My wife's more of a
beach person. So you know,it's always kind of a fight. Now
I got her, she went,she's willing now to travel out west somewhere.
So that's that's getting there. Yeah, yeah, and and and and

(01:13:39):
and I'd like to go up tothe New England States. It's weird.
There was a time I would haveloved it. I wouldn't do it today
and probably from my point, butI would have loved have gone to Rush
at some point in time. There'sa guy who coached coached his son and
this I said, the coolest cityhe'd ever been in was Moscow. I
said, just it was really asa really unique place. But obviously war

(01:14:03):
day but even now. No,no thanks on that one. But yeah,
Ireland. I think Ireland is mynumber one right now. Ireland cool,
Ireland be cool. Uh. Lastquestion, you're off the seat.
Favorite sports movie? Favorite sports?Well just because of the kids, and

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I love Little Giants, you know, the fullest movie, uh for for
kids? As far as I don'tknow, I know what Martin, what
would you say, coach? Rememberthe Titans Man? Remember that Tightans is
one of the best movies. Iit was that was it was good.

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I'm not saying it was bad.But I don't know. Yeah I would.
Yeah, I'm thinking I'm not abig movie guy, so this is
this is kind of a this isa tough one. That's a really tough
one. Yeah, this is Iwas watching I was watching Rudy last night,
and that one was that one alwaystouches. Oh oh, now,

(01:15:12):
come on, the best the bestof sports movie is Hoosiers. Okay,
there you go. There you yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's
want to end on their coach.But by the way, Rudy was off
sides in case you were one hundredpercent under, Rudy was off sides for
being seen years ago. What's seenyears ago? I'm at the bank and

(01:15:33):
this dude is wearing a hickory likeletterman's coat. I think I told the
story once and I was like,man, that's a pretty cool jacket.
Where'd you get to that at?And he turns around and looks at me
right in the eyes and goes,I'm actually Jimmy Chitwood And I was like,
no way. It was like,now I'm just messing with it.
Did I think it was Channel twelve? Did they did that start? I

(01:15:55):
thought that was a great that waspretty pretty you know this guy's are all
they'll give it free. Olds thatwas going to tell their story again and
that was that was good. Uh, coach for being a member of I'm
qualifying. For getting up a hotseat, you get a twenty dollars gift
card to Broken the maskift Remember that'syour best place to get your form aware
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(01:16:17):
but congratulations, coach, thank you, thank you. We'll have to buy
a cold one of the Golden fleesoon. Coach. Best of luck this
year especially, uh you know,stay healthy. You got a meat grinder
of a schedule. Sounds like yougot a lot of young kids, young
guys playing. Part of the magicis keeping them on the field, right,
so you know you gotta you gottasometimes think about practice schedules. I

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mean, it's a lot of challengesgo into that that can't be appreciated enough.
So, uh, best of luck. And you know, I can't
thank you enough for coming on andthanks coach. I didn't know what to
expect, but this is pretty good. Thanks for enough. Let's let's go
around the room. Marty, Well, after that interview, what did you
learn tonight? Well, a long, long time ago. Uh my brother,

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who's been an assistant coachair for twentyeight going into twenty eighth year,
told me a while back the onething about Doug and the program is that
every decision that he makes, hethinks about what's in the best interest of
the kids. He makes decisions basedon what's going to give that the kid
and the team the best experience.He's a pretty selfless guy in that regard,

(01:17:25):
and it just reinforced that about Doug. I think he really does.
He's in it for the right reasons, you know what I mean, Like
there's a lot of coaches that havea me me me mentality. You know,
it's my name in the paper.You know, I'm gonna I'll never
see these kids again after they getout of this program. So yeah,
he's in it for the He's oneof the good ones. Football coach Mike

(01:17:48):
marg I'm glad you brought that upbecause earlier on the pod we talked about
Tom Bolden and Rush propes, whohe faced. If you go back to
our episode almost a year ago,I think it was last year in July,
but we had Tom on and thedifference between your rush probes, which
is exactly what you said. Ithink it's you know, his story is
well documented. It's me me me, I'm the I'm the face of the

(01:18:10):
program, I'm I'm on MTV andtwo A Days and all that, versus
somebody like Doug who's really good friendswith with Tom Bolden and those guys you
know, and we could just namemany many more coaches, but they do
like you said, they do itso it's in the interest of the kids,
and that's why we have those guyson because they're enjoyable to talk to

(01:18:33):
highlighting the programs and just to hearwhat he had to say about the dudes
that he played against. Dalvin Cookwas the third best third running back,
third best running back on the team. He's like, oh we got this
third best. Oh god, it'sDalvin Cook. I mean, just to
hear some of the dudes that theywent up against. And yeah, I
mean, we all understand the plightof the GCL South and trying to find

(01:18:55):
opponents, especially in the last fifteenand twenty years, and you have some
special opportunities to get some amazing talent, to find some uh and to play
against some just flat out studs.And that was kind of cool to listen
to and the success that they hadand they that outerhead against them. Yeah,
I was just, uh, itwas good, It was it was

(01:19:15):
good. Here's what I learned.He not only coaches football, but he
smokes meat. Yes, yes,you gotta have interest outside of your profession.
And he doesn't come across to meas a big golfer. You know,
we didn't. We didn't. Wedidn't bring that up. We didn't
broach the subject. But you gotto have something else to stimulate your mind

(01:19:36):
and and and just experiment with.And he's all about using the blackstone and
the smoker and and the grill.Love love. I need a smoker.
I need to get That's the onething that's missing that I tell the seers,
Like, I mean, my drinkingwould just get out of control then
if I get a smoker, butthe hell of it, I get a
Today. My nephew is in afraternity down at UCS and Delta. Think,

(01:20:00):
are you going to do it again? Are you doing it again?
Smoking? He asked me to smokea pig for the fraternity house in the
fall. If your nephew, ifyou're fifty years old and your nephew says
will you come to my fraternity andsneak answers yes, yes, back to
back years. Give us the datewe will be there. We'll be your
uh the Tank, quality Control thequad taste testers. No, We're just

(01:20:25):
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