TFTS E34 : Storytellers - LaSalle Head Football Coach Pat McLaughlin - Tales From the Script

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Marty Eisley here fellas what uh Brett, I saw you
lift up your yettie.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
What are you sipping there to night?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Pal? Oh?

Speaker 4 (00:06):
This is just real simple. I'm just doing makers and
uh ginger ale, zero sugar ginger ale, real simple.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Nice little little Tuesday, little Monday night bourbon.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Yeah, it's cast bourbon, that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
I mean, well, tonight I am we moved to Mullen
so on the dates.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Its right, I got the streets.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's a it's a big compound. It's gotta it's a
gated community. Uh uh, I'm sipping on old jam O.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Today bringing bringing out your Irish roots.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Well, it's a big day in Iowa, just because you know,
I don't know if you know, the Saint Patrick invented voting.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
So with voting right around the corner, we've.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Got yes in democracy, democrat anywhere, the documents yes.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Buying any unforeseen obstructions, this should drop on election day.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
See. St. Patrick doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
But he was a big big democracy, big democracy.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Marty.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
What about you?

Speaker 4 (01:16):
What what what are you sipping on?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm sitting on a little dark rum tonight. I don't
you know, I kind of. I love bourbon. Bourbon's my jam, right,
but I just, oh, man, I've I've drank enough bourbon
to float a ship, and I've I've kind of gone
through a lot, and I just feel a little bit
better during the week if I just maybe vodka, maybe
something clear.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know, I prefer to sit bourbon on a Saturday night.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
We're all together, something clear, and I'm gonna tell you
you're sipping on dark rum, so make up your mind.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
And start.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, if I were to be sipping, it will probably
be uh, I've got a little well or one of seven.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
So are you a neat? Are you guys neat? Or
are you guys rocks or are you guys mixing?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's just a yes, yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
For me, it depends if it's if it's a really
spicy bourbon and a really it's got big heat to it,
anything like fool proof. We're talking one hundred and ten,
one hundred and eight higher. I'll probably throw an ice
cube in it. But most of the time it's just neat.
I'll just I'll just pour one, maybe two, maybe three
fingers and then just just sip on it, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
So I will say this I have a recent change
in my game time, my game strategy as far as
tail getting is concerned. And it came from a good
friend of mine, Steve Brugman. Steve Brugman, avid concert goer,
really likes rock and roll, really likes anybody who plays
a instrument. And so I asked him. I was like,
talk to me a little bit about your concert coring.
Are you getting after it? Are you getting like you're
drinking a lot of guess now?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
And I'm like why And he goes, I don't want
to miss any songs. And I'm like, so what do
you do?

Speaker 5 (02:57):
He goes, I just have a nice glass of bourbon
before gets me feeling good, and then I'll roll into that.
And I'm like, huh, instead of be drinking like seven
rate beers before game and half the piss pissed like
four or five six times? Right, I started drinking bourbon.
I started drinking bourbon, having a little whisky to It's
just a little bit, just a pinch, right, just a
smoke makes sense, just a snort.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Let me let me ask you this. Let me ask
you this. What's your take on Blentons? Is it? Is
it over? Is it? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Severely overrated.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's good. I really enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
If it was in a regular square tall bottle, it
would be a thirty dollars bottle that you could get
any day of the week. To me, it's very thin
the profile, and I don't want to use big terms
and everything, but it doesn't do anything for me other
than a cool bottle with a little resource on top.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, great marketing because they allocate it, they make it
special to find, and uh, I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's it's very, very good.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
But you know, twenty years ago you could find Blantons
at every liquor store in town.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
And you can make that argument for for anything, and
it comes out of Buffalo Trace. I mean, you can
make that argument about about Buffalo Trace, about Eagle Rail,
or about Weller and now, and I think, what's going
to happen because they invested tons of money into their
distillery and building new rick houses, so they ramped up
the production a couple of years ago. But the problem

(04:26):
is we still got to wait for the aging process.
So it's still going to be another probably two three
four years before all of that stuff hits the market
and it saturates it again, and we're able to to
buy it a good story.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now are they going to do that though?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I mean, but Brett, that's why diamonds are expensive because
they they don't they relegate how much is out there
on the market, and it drive the price up. Like
I don't know if buffalo trace will.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I don't saturate.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
The market to drive to make it. Like it's said,
I don't deal to get a bottle of Blattin's.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Now, yeah it is, But I think what I'm talking
about more is the buffalo trace in the eagle rare.
You know, the buffalo trace you can still get in
the twenty six to thirty dollars range, unless you're in
some jackass store where they think it's like gold and
they're going to charge you fifty eight dollars for a bottle,
And then I just walk out. But you know a

(05:16):
good story. Back in two thousand, it was a summer
of twenty nineteen, me and Miley and the kids. We
went out to the Pacific Northwest on vacation and we
went hiking one day in Mount Rainier and that night,
after hiking, we were in this little town of Packwood, Washington.
I mean, this is like deliverance might have been filmed there.
I mean this was remote little town and there was

(05:39):
a there was an IgA, and we said, hey, we'll
just go to the IgA. We'll get our steaks, we'll
get some potatoes, you know, we'll grill out at the airbnb.
Well right next door to it with this little podunk
liquor store, I mean a little small place. And I
walk in there and I'm just looking around and he's
got ten bottles of buffalo trays lined up on the shelf.

(05:59):
And I was like, oh, oh my goodness. I'm like,
do you always have this much? He's like, oh yeah,
nobody out here buys that stuff. I said, I was
at this place, the party source, four days ago before
we came out here, which is less than one hundred
miles from the distillery, and they had zero buffalo trace products.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Zero.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
The only thing they had was the bourbon cream. And
the guy was like amazed, and I said, I said, well,
I said, if I wasn't flying home, I'd probably buy
a case of it from you, right right.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
The one time I saw well or twelve on a shelf.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I was in Vegas in twenty eighteen or nineteen, and
they had three bottles a well or twelve sitting in
this little poton clicker store and I grabbed them all
and what were they charging form? Regular price was forty
nine or fifty nine?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Wow? Wow?

Speaker 4 (06:44):
You remember we were down in a Deston with Tom
last spring. Remember that they had a bottle down there
at Dston.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
It was a one seven five bottle too, was it?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
It was a big.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Bottle and it was like three hundred and fifty dollars
or something. I guess, Thanks, but nothing good. You know
what it takes, you know what it tastes like, bourbon?

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Bourbon.

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Welcome to Tales from the Script, a bad app Cincinnati
high school sports podcast that features local coaches and athletes.
You're your hosts, Brett Schneeber, Pat O'Connor, and Martin Eisley.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Okay, Fellas, our guest tonight is someone that we all
know extremely well.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I know it.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
No, your wife is not on here, Pat, and none
of none of your kids either. But it's somebody that
we've all spent a lot of a lot of time
with over the years. And you know, the way we
roll in in high school sports circles, that could be
a lot of different people.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
But this is a guy.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Who's a born and raised in Cincinnati. Unfortunately, he was
born and raised on the wrong side of Cincinnati, that
was out on.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
The East Side.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Attended one of the East Side high schools that we
won't mention. I'm sure it'll come up later on. Went
and played college football at the University of Dayton and
after that start in his got started in his coaching
career down at the at Memphis State I believe it
was maybe it was University of Memphis. I'm not sure
when they officially changed their name. But after that he

(08:35):
coached in high school football in Tennessee for a little
while before coming back to his alma mater coach there
for a while before getting his first head coaching job
in twenty fourteen. He's currently in his eleventh year as
a head coach here in Cincinnati. Fellas, you know him
very well. He's the head coach of the Wassule Lancers.
Pat McLachlan, coach, how we doing tonight, doing fans.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
As that's pretty impressive run down there, early.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
That's not for everybody, coach, We don't get that. Every mention.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
You didn't even mention the jewelry that earned in twenty
nineteen either.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
A lot of people that rock state championship rings.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
He's Georgian. He's earned more jewelry than the rest of us.
So we'll get into that, I'm sure. But coach that
was that was no notes. That was just off the
cuff right there.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
So, uh, you know, you know by now we've been
coaching together for how long and then.

Speaker 8 (09:25):
School and then coach.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Against each other and probably for the last twenty years
right or close any.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Pretty much pretty much, you know, I don't.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
If you coach, you would think in thirty four episodes
we would have had you on by now.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Well, you know what, I guess you gotta you gotta
win some games, you gotta do something.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
You know, well, you you know, Martin and Brett are
both of your staff, and I'm sitting here saying, hey,
let's get coach paddle Let's get coach paddle on. And
for some reason, I guess you'd like doc their pay
or something like that. I don't know what what happened.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
I know this, If I docked their paid then they're uh,
they're making their making very much anyway, so.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
We'd be paying.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Let's just say there's something different about this year's version
of Pat McLaughlan in the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
The difference between nine and two and whatever we were
last year.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
I don't know what we were last years combine. It's been
a it's been a long stretch, but uh, I think
it was your your guy coach sh nieber rest in
Peats Mike Leach has said, anything we're doing, it's got
to be hard, right, and so you've got to go
through a process.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
And we've actually all been through it. Hell, all all
three of.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Us have been thrown the last two years, and we're
kind of seeing the rewards now.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, for for full transparency for somebody who might be
a first time listener, Unlike Mark Goldschmidt, who's one of
our most loyal.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Listeners, he's the best.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
He's the best. Hey, Mark, this is this is we're
two for two in two weeks. We put out two
episodes now. But Pat hired me onto the South staff
back in two thousand and seven. Team I've been coaching
at Marymont. I actually coached against Pat in fourteen and fifteen.
Uh Marymont kicked Redding's ass in fourteen and then Reading

(11:09):
came in put up ass in fifteen, and then on
sixteen Pat went to UH went to Princeton before getting
hired at the Sound twenty seventeen. And my son was
going to be a junior on that team as as
we're actually uh Martin son and Pat had his son Wills,
a junior too. But I called or I sent Pat
a text and I just said, hey, I'm available. My

(11:31):
son's going to be playing on your team. And Pat
replied back and he said, I need a receiver's coach.
Come in Monday. We'll talk. It was that simple, and
we've been I don't think we did. I just showed
up in a weight room and you're like, okay, let's go.
It was it was just that simple. But uh, I know.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
You from Bohler and Chris knew you and and basically
was like you're in right, and you said, yeah, okay,
all right, let's go, let's get it done.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
It was literally like a two minute conversation in the
door of the weight room.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
It was that simple.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
So, but Martin Martin is the one of the freshman coaches.
He's the freshman defensive coordinator at will sal and Martin,
you've been doing that how many years now?

Speaker 2 (12:11):
This is my fifth or sixth year ATISAL.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
But you know, like a lot of guys when you
you know, I coached high school football out of college
for four or five years with with coach Rodenberg at mcknick,
and then got married, had a job, had to quit coaching,
and once my son was old enough, I got back
into youth football and you know, coach for eight or
ten years when he was coming up. And then you know,
after he graduated, I wanted to stay involved in some capacity,

(12:36):
and it was either I was either really going to
either become a referee or be a volunteer, you know,
just coach freshman football back in my alma mater, and
I want to be part of a program and just
stay involved in the sport just to try to keep
it going and try to help him mentor kids.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So it's been great, and I you know, it's been
a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
So Pat, you know, you and I have talked a lot.
But as far as your story goes, at what point
did you decide that you wanted to coach? I mean,
was something that was just always there for you or
was that did you have that aha moment or how
did it all come about?

Speaker 6 (13:06):
Well that's a that's a good question. I mean, obviously
I've played in high school.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
And we still haven't said what we still haven't said
what high school you played at?

Speaker 6 (13:15):
Played at Moler, played baseball and football at Moler, graduated
in ninety six. And again, you know it was it
was a good experience, it was a great experience. And uh,
you know you asked me that question that they asked
me that a couple of weeks ago at the at
the Coach Pat Show. But you know, two people that
influenced me very much in my life and what maybe

(13:38):
you want to coach were two coaches that I had
a molder and we've talked about this Aton. You don't
get a better guy than than Mike Cameron. He was
my baseball coach for baseball coach for three years. And
then Brett, you know, coach Client. I don't know if
you was back. I don't know if he was a
coach now.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
He really wasn't around much, but you know, I've heard
plenty of stories about coach Clonne and know all the
great things he did over.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
There, Martin, when you were there, yeah he.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Was no, he was still Moller, but he had come
on right as I was coming out, and you know, yeah,
so we we always scrimmaged him and Roady got along great,
and that was always like a bee scrimmage, Like we
would scrimmage their bes every season. And there was a
lot of collaboration between our programs at the time, so
that was always there. But I didn't coach with them directly.

(14:25):
But yeah, great, great man.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
So those two guys were big influences on your coach.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously my dad, but then
you know, in terms of high school, in terms of coaching,
you know that they coached for forty years a piece,
and there's no telling how many state championships they won.
But for them, I don't think it was ever about
the state championships, and they did it the right way. So,
you know, having them as my coaches. And then my

(14:52):
uncle was a coach too, and he was at the
University of Memphis. You mentioned I was down in Memphis,
so I graduated from Dayton. I knew I wanted to
get into it. I honestly, I always wanted to be
a college coach. Uh that that's the path I wanted
to take. And he called up they had a GA job.
I mean, Brett, I think you were a GA for
a minute.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
And I had.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
I had no idea what it meant. I'm like, sure,
I'll do it. You go to grad school, you get
that paid for fine, And then I got the coach
and worked with some great people. And in terms of
just learning football, I learned more football in those three
years that I was a g at the University of Memphis.
Then maybe you never stopped learning, but I just learned

(15:30):
so much football because that's all we did as a GA.
You know, I remember your you know, you don't get
you always spent nights in the office. You're breaking down tape.
We didn't have huddle.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Back then.

Speaker 8 (15:42):
Everything was on.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
VHS, and then eventually it shifts over to uh CDs.
So you're copying CDs, you're putting the putting the work,
putting the data in, you're sitting in meetings, and it
was a great experience. But then, you know, you see
the dark side of my first year there. The head
coach was ripped sheer and he brought me in and
he got fired. And so I mean, I'm my uncle's there.

(16:03):
And when I go to my uncle and he I said,
what does that even mean? I'm not even sure what
that means. He's like, don't worry about it. Just go
in your office and don't say a word to anybody.
I'm like, Holy, what's going on here? And I'm a ga.
And so anyway, Tommy West and ended up getting the job.
And then you see all these coaches move and move
all over the place, and I just it's not something

(16:25):
I really wanted to do.

Speaker 8 (16:25):
And so I ended up coaching high school in Brownsville.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
But uh, I think I always had that passion in
me to coach where brown.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
You talked about, Yeah, where is Brownsville?

Speaker 6 (16:36):
Brownsville. I don't think Lane's listening. But it's in like
the sticks of Tennessee. I mean, it's like, uh, it
was also a great experience. It's almost like dead smack
in between Nashville and Memphis on I forty Okay, so
if you go to Nashville, take forty west, you run,
you run to Jacksiever to Jackson, Tennessee. Yeah, yep, brown

(17:00):
Builds the next town over, and then Memphis is probably
like an hour fifteen minutes away from Brownsville. One of
my best friends to today got the head coaching job
at Brownsville Heywood High School, Brownsville, Tennessee. And I had
just graduated in May. I think of three with my
master's and they had a social studies job and a
coaching job. He's like, do you want it? I didn't

(17:21):
even hesitate quick story. So I move up there. I
had a jeep, I had no furniture, I had no money,
I had nothing. So all I had I didn't I
didn't have a place to live now today. And so
he's like, hey, the thing is, we don't get paid
until August here. And I said, well, that's a problem
because because I started like I started August first, and

(17:46):
I actually moved up there at the end of July.
And I was like, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I don't have any money. We didn't make anything. I
was making like seven hundred bucks a month as a
GA and we all lived, like six of us live
together in a house. And so I didn't have a job. Basically,
I wasn't getting paid from May until August. I had
a heat that's all I had, and I had some clothes.

(18:07):
And he's like, you can live with me. So I
lived in the fieldhouse, lived with him, lived.

Speaker 8 (18:11):
On his uh, on his couch.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
Another guy took me in and I was like, what
do you know you buy food, I'll just keep tabs
on it. Uh, and then when I when I get
paid and at the end of august' I'll pay you guys.
So I was going there. I was broke, but it
was I loved it. It was a great experience and
obviously you grow from it, you learn from it.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
And that was my first high school coaching and teaching job.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
And heywood, Wow, Wow, that's incredible. That's an incredible story.
You tell you said one of your best friends ever.
You get to know somebody pretty well at that point, right,
that's awesome.

Speaker 8 (18:44):
He was he was a GA at Memphis.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
So like you guys know, like you got you're in
the trenches with coaches, and you guys spent so much
time seven days a week, and we travel and he
became a really good friend of mine.

Speaker 8 (18:55):
His name's Bartstow.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
He's the head coach of Dyersburg High School in Brown
in Dyersburg, Tennessee. Now he's won a ton of games
and we just developed relationship. Went there and coached also,
and heywood with him, and then obviously, you know, your
life changes after that completely.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
You know, coach, you mentioned the experiences of GA and
I lived at Indiana State University, and I sent you
that email a couple of days ago, and it was,
you know, the topic was basically the size of college
football coaching staffs these days yea, and how much it
has changed. I mean when I was at Indiana State,
we had the head coach. We're a Division one Double A,

(19:33):
so I guess that's BCS now or whatever it is
FCS Division one Double A. We had the head coach,
We had five full time assistants. We had two gas
and two quality controls, which were basically all the same
thing that they just got paid a different way. But
you look at the math. I mean we had fourteen
of us and we ran the entire football program. Now,

(19:56):
I bet you if you went and looked at that
list I sent you, which was the University of Maryland,
and how many people were on that list. I mean
that had to be what sixty or seventy people?

Speaker 6 (20:05):
Oh, at least brat, I mean the thirty support personnel,
A thirty plus just support staff, dietitian, nutrition analysts.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Recruiting, yeah, recruiting, and then it goes into equipment and
then football operations and like our defensive coordinator, our defense
hold on our defensive coordinator. He was in charge of travel,
so when we would bust to Springfield, Missouri, he was
the one getting the hotels and the buses and meals

(20:40):
and all that. And I'm like, he's our defensive coordinator.
But that was just kind of factor of the day.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I kind of answered my question. You see this position
director of football operations.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
At places like that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
That's what they do, right, all the logistics and.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yep, yep. So for like that basketball it's a full
time job. Sure.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, the college basketball is opening tonight. Mario mccurio for
for Xavier University, he's the he's the basketball operations guy,
and he handles everything that happens behind the scenes that
doesn't involve basketball.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And so Mario mercurio, Yes.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's a pretty good Irish name.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Irish So coach.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
It sounds like coaching is in your blood. You know,
you talked about your.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
GA days and we also kind of talked a little
bit about the last few seasons and just kind of
struggles and is you know, we're all in a profession
that we're continuing to learn from.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Is there anything that you learned over these last two seasons?

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Uh, that's a good question. I actually, you know, saw
a quote from is it Tony Bennett, the guy that
just retired from Virginia. Yes, you guys better saw this quote,
and I'm like, that's the one thing that I learned
and have learned through coaching. And I think you said, uh,

(21:55):
surround his dad told him, who was a great coach,
you know, before him his dad had said, you know,
surround your surround yourself with guys that you can lose
with before you surround yourself with guys that you can
win with.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
So to answer your question, Pat, it's struggled.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
But the guys that we had around us, the coaches,
and quite honestly, the players, I think they they believe
that they believe. They never they they never gave up.
They trusted the process, and so I did learn.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
I really believe that the.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Guys that we have, the men that we have coaching,
are in it for the right reasons. We trust each other,
we know each other, and the players get players that
you can trust, players that you can go to war with,
players that buy into the process. And Lassau and so
the last two years we really found out who who

(22:48):
wanted to be here? Why Lasau football was important, and
so I just learned it. I don't know if I learned,
but just really that that quote hit me the other
day we went tough years.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yeah, anybody can be, you know, just a front of
the classroom type of guy. When you know you're nine
and one, eight and two and you're having those types
of years, you're ten to zero, and anybody could be
a really good coach then, and it's the person that's
going to really stick to the value of Hey, my
my job is to make these the best receivers, the
best line, and the best running backs, the best line,
whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's my job.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
And whether we're one and nine or we're nine and one,
we're gonna bust our ass until we're gonna make us
the best. And it sounds like the guys that you
got on your staff are embracing.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
That they've done a good job. We got good kids,
like Brett. You've been around Martin, you you guys have
been around it. Uh, Pat obviously, Brady and again Brett
said it earlier, But congratulations, Die Or asked me about that,
thank you?

Speaker 8 (23:44):
Well, I just asked me.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
I think he's a leader, he's a captain on our
football team, But I think he embodies it in terms
of he's worked hard, he's put the time in.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
You know, Mike asked me about Brady, and I'm like,
he deserves everything he's getting because he's worked hard, he's
put the time in, and he strusted the process. He
studied film. I told him he needed to slim down
a little bit. He slimmed down a little bit, and
he's faster and he's moving around and I look on huddle,
he's watching at least two hours of film a week.

Speaker 8 (24:11):
And a lot of guys on our team are doing that.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
And a lot of guy guys on our team they
were doing this when they were sophomores. And that also,
you're gonna get guys as sophomores and juniors that go
through a tough year and they either want to leave.
Until we had some guys that left and that's fine,
that's fine, or you're gonna have some guys that go
I want to turn this around.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
I don't like this feeling. I don't want to be
a part of this. I want to be a part
of the rebound.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
And so the guys that have stuck it out, quite honestly,
you know, they are doing the things that it takes
to be successful. And I really believe that we were
doing the things that it takes to be successful prior
to this. Just I think our talent and our maturity
and the guys that are playing have been playing for
three years now, and it seems like every time we

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have to have a play, right now, somebody makes a play.
Whereas past couple of years, Brett Martin, Pat you guys
were there every time we had to have a play.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
Maybe we didn't make that play. Now we are making
that play.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, sometimes you're just a good enough. You're just not
good enough when you're young, you know. And we talked
about it after the Elder, after the Older game two
weeks ago. You know, we rolled over to Elder in
twenty twenty two and we got curb stopped. I think
it was twenty eight to nothing at half thirty one
seven was the final score. But we were playing the
same guys. It was the same guys were taking the

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field that took the field two weeks ago and went
over to Elder and won, and they just weren't good
enough yet they hadn't you know, think about how many
weight room sessions those guys have gained over the last
two years, and you know, kind of goes back to
the old Beau Schembeckler of those who stayed will be champions.
And you know, you can call a champion whatever you want.
I'm not sure, you know, we haven't necessarily won a

(25:48):
championship just yet. But at the same time, those kids
have stuck it out, those ones who have stayed, like
you said that they wanted to turn things around.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
Yeah, they certainly have. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I remember that game that was Week ten at Older
two years ago, and I think at some point you
had five or six sophomores just on one side of
the ball. Yeah, it was a JV team. I mean
it was not to take anything away from that senior class.
They they gave everything they had, don't get me wrong,
but my point is, no, these guys have played a
lot of snaps, a lot of rsity snaps on Friday night,

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and uh, you know, you can really tell these past
few weeks those seniors have really stepped up.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
So I mean, quick.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Story where you know we're my I have a sophomore
Jackie dresses he dresses on on varsity on Friday night,
and like you talk about a total years ago, these guys.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
Are sophomores and you're going to the pit. It's a
pack house.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
I mean, he was a nervous wreck. He was like
wide eyed sophomore and we're running up. I Bret, you
were there. We're running up going to the locker room
before the game. The whole student sections there is just
like booing us, which is awesome.

Speaker 8 (26:56):
It's gCO football.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
That's a good atmosphere, right him, and I'm.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Like, we're on the field. He didn't know where to go.
He didn't know what to do. This is a sophomore,
wide eyed, and I get your you know what out
of your euro what and he is like almost scared
to death. But he's not ready for that environment. Those
guys didn't have a choice but to be ready for
that environment. As moments like that that prepared us, you know,

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for a couple of weeks ago and then last week.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
So moving forward, looking at the looking at the playoffs.
Here come in as a as a two seed, and
a lot of that was dependent upon beating Elder in
week ten and solidifying the two seed. Had a good
showing last week against Monroe was a good, good, what
I call a program game, you know, one of the

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interesting things that people don't understand and maybe they do
about LaSalle's schedule is they're kind of a victim of
their own success and the fact that Wesal's won you know,
since in the last ten years they won four state championships. Well,
scheduling becomes a lot harder that way. And when it
does become harder, it's it's difficult to find, uh, find
teams that want to play you. And the teams that

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want to play you usually they're like, yeah, we'll play
you this year and a one year deal or two
year deal, we're going to be really good. But to
have those those program games where you can you can
rest your starters in the second half, and we've talked
a lot about the cumulative effect that that has of
all those reps that that starters don't have to play
all the way down it was I guess my point

(28:27):
is it was nice this past week against Monroe to
be up at halftime and get a running clock, and
and what what is the effect that you see that
that's going to have moving forward throughout the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
That's that's a big effect. U. Probably the biggest thing
is that you know, we could see that we were
to see they're fifteen seed, and I had the whole
The message all week was don't don't take it for granted,
don't let them in the game. Get out to a
fast start, which obviously we certainly did. Uh And I'm
proud that we played to our standard. We played our

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we played to our level of football, and we didn't
play down. With all due respect to to Monroe, we
didn't play down to their level. And we played the
football game the way it was supposed to be played
and how we expect to play it. You get juniors
in the game, you get sophomores in the game, It
doesn't matter what the score is. Those guys get valuable
Friday night snaps, valuable Friday night experience. So we played

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every everybody got to play. They got valuable snaps. They
made some mistakes, which is good. They can learn from
those mistakes. And then also you know these guys I
mentioned Jack jack Caleb Dove, who else, Wyatt Award, Alex
Jackson and Brendan Blunk Blucker that these guys are scout teams,
got guys and they don't get snaps on Friday night.

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So this is a reward for them to go out
there and play on a Friday night, and quite honestly,
our offense moved the ball. I'm proud of those guys.
Avier goes and played at quarter five. I think five
tailbacks played and maybe they all five maybe except for
Ice scored. So they get rewarded for coming to practice
every day and excelling in their role in our football team.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, tell me about this upcoming week. He got Kings
in round two. They look like a really well coached
team in a solid program.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
What can we expect out of the Kings Nights?

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Very good team, very well coached. Alex Darvin over there
has been over there for a long time. I think
he was with Andy Old prior to prior to being
the head coach. But very disciplined. They play hard on
offense and defense. And our kids, again, they're smart kids.
They watch the tape, but they can see that this

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team is way better than the team we played last week,
and so it's going to take our best effort, preparation
practice to go out there and be successful. Guys to
watch out for seventy seven. They're left tackle as a
Division one kid. I think he's going to NC State.
Receiver Nate Lyman I don't know. If you guys were around,
you were around. You played to pay attention to high

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school volleyball. Back in the mid nineties. There was a
girl on the team on earthen lines. He was a
great players played volleyball in Miami. Her name was Sarah Yulin.
She went by Scoob. Great player, a great volleyball player,
and her husband played at Miami.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
His name is Joe. I work with Joe Lyman. Joe Lyman, Yeah,
great dude. Yes, he's a player. Number three, his son
is a great player. He's got about sixty catches on
the year. He can go get it.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
And then defensively, number two, I don't know their names.
Number seven's all over the field, eleven's all over the field.
The running back just plays hard in the quarterback and
slinging around pretty good. So it's going to be a
really good football game. We got to play well, continue
to take care of the ball as we've done the
last couple of games.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Give our chance to give ourselves a chance.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
So coach.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
One of the things too, that we were kind of
talking a little bit about earlier was the coaching that
you had. Let's talk a little bit about the coaches
you have kind of their responsibilities and.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Kind of what they do for you.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yeah, you know what, And you talk about size of staff, Brett,
I don't know how it was. Pat you coached high
school for a little bit, Martin you played, and I
go back to Bollard. Coach Foules was probably one of
the first coaches in Cincinnati to have the quote unquote
big staff back in the late eighties early nineties, even

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though maybe through two thousand, what was there maybe eight
coaches in the entire program, and now we've got seventeen.
We've got a bunch of coaches. So freshman staff is
Bill Wee March and James Eccles, Bill Zo's and Martin Heisley.
Excuse me, they all day. I'll do a fantastic job. Great,

(32:43):
great with the kids. They played, the kids play every
kid every game, and most importantly the kids come back
freshman football. I want them to have a good experience
learn high school. As Martin and I were talking about
the other day, it's a long season. They are not
used to school, they're not used to starting jin, they're
not used to going six six days a week. So
it's kind of a fine line on that freshman level,

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but four great freshman coaches. And then on the varsity.
The defensive staff on the back end is Mike Kanig,
been around the South forever, He's a graduate. Cody Smith
k new coaching linebackers. Jim Huxel, who you guys all know.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Huxell.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
He encouraged it very loudly at times, sometimes sometimes very
loudly as a defensive line coach. And then Dion Campbell
also assists on the defensive side of the ball and
he coaches the jv And then the defensive coordinator is
Chris Majors. Chris A second about him, very very unassuming guy,
but a very very intelligent football coach, very very smart,

(33:45):
understands it, calls a great game. Uh, extremely prepared. He's
been a head coach, Uh Brett, I don't I don't
know any other coach other than Jim Barry has ever
won at Norwood High School other than Chris Majors.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, I mean rested that the other night. I mean
when they got they got worked. I guess it was
in ten in week ten and they got they got
blown out. I told Chris, I said, that's just that's
just a testament to what he did over there. And
I told it right to his face. I said, you
were a miracle worker. You were winning playoff games at
Norwood when that is just a graveyard over there. I mean,

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it's it's a very very difficult place to coach. And
Chris did a phenomenal job there.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
So we're lucky to have him have him.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
He's any on any any Norwood football fans, don there.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Tough. We're gonna have one. Uh, We're gonna have one Thursday.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yes, we're straight shooters here it tails from the script.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yes, we were real street, bro, We're real street.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
And then Chris and I actually were on that.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
We were on the same team. We were on the
he's two years old of me.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
We were on the ninety three state championship team at
Bollard together. So I've known Chris thirty plus years and
he went the date. We actually we were actually co
offensive coordinators at Mollard before he left and took the
norm with job so great coach. And then on the
offensive side of the ball, Rob Taylor coaches the offensive line.
Keith Rutger coaches receivers. Jacob Crone, who's new, has done

(35:12):
a fantastic job with our h backs and running back.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
They call him hybrid.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
As you know, Brett and our offense, the w's and
the h's and the y's and the running backs probably
have the most to do other than the quarterback. But
he's done a really good job coaching those guys up.
And then the guys that you don't see. Jeff Weierman
is a Friday night guy. He's up in the box,
he's writing down plays, he puts in data. For example,

(35:38):
he just sent me the other day a self scout,
so he does our self scout, so he sends it
back to me, this is what we're doing on first down,
second down, third down, on huddle. And Brett still does
help out a ton. So you talk about an analyst,
Brett is like an analyst for our football team. He's
looking ahead, he's gathering information, putting this scout and report
together for Kings or for whoever we play.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
And then he just died. Bounce out ideas off of
him all the time.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
So even in a game, the other guys do a
good job, but Brett's Brett called, and he sees it,
and so I've bounced a lot of ideas off him.
For example, he shot me notes the other day of Kings.
He shot me notes of Elder and then I go
back and forth like we can do this, we can
do this.

Speaker 8 (36:20):
I'm not sure about this, and he's like, well what
about this?

Speaker 6 (36:23):
And so Brett, Brett's an analysts and he's done a
really good job, you know, helping our offense out and
taking honestly taking some things away from me as I'm
trying to call the plays and put everything together.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Well, that's that's really nice. I've never heard anybody say
anything nice about Brett, So that's really good. I mean,
an analyst is it's a pretty nice. That's compliment, buddy,
that's compliment. Uh so uh looking into this week, right,
we got you know, you got Kings, which is gonna
be like a formidable foe. The first time I think
I've ever said that in my life.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Now, when are you sitting there?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
And I think I'm gonna steal this from Martin because
Martin typically ask this question every week. Are you are
you taking away place and are you adding plays? Meaning
that on the defensive side of thing? Are you saying, okay,
we're gonna have to eliminate like a bubble screen we're
gonna have to make sure that we're watching out for
this type of play. This isico lead up or on
the offensive side of things, this is gonna work against
their coverage or and this is gonna work against their

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front And if so, how many plays you adding and
like how many plays you're trying to take away?

Speaker 6 (37:19):
That's a good question. So as we as we try
to evaluate the opponent, especially this week, hopefully the hopefully
the King's coach or somebody doesn't listen to this, but
like when you when you look at things you have
to take away. You have to stop the quarterback, quarterback run,
and then you got to stop number three. So we
gotta we gotta find we have to know where number
three is at all times. And so sometimes that means

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doubly Liam that Sometimes that means he's manning him up.
Sometimes that means doing different things, doing different things, getting
different looks.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
And so defensively, we.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
Have our coverage is we might add it a little
bit different coverage here here or there, depending on the week.
If they have a guy like number three that they're
gonna target, target it awful lot, and then we just
gotta become familiar with what they're trying to run. So
for us, it's recognizing the formation, recognizing splits, recognizing an
H back or something like that that might give a

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tell as to where they're going to run the ball
or what play they're going to run out of a
certain formation. So that's what we're doing on offense, and
then we try to identify players first and then plays
as well. Then offensively at this point, at this point
in the season, I think, you.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Know the gold.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
We do what we do, and we have to be
able to do that. We've also got to be able
to find maybe a weakness or something that we think
we can take advantage of on on that side of
the ball. And so, like I said, Brett was sending
me notes, Rob sending me notes. We try to put
it all together. We're not going to come out and
run the wing team. If there's something that we can
add that fits our personnel or a couple of things

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I try to add each week. We've done this for
the last three weeks. Some type of play, some type
of formation. Can we add something off of that, off
of a motion, off of a off of a run
or something like that. Uh, that gives us a little
bit different look and so we've added probably we've added
a few things this week, but it's all within the terminology,
all within the uh, the scale of our offense. We're

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not going crazy and adding new stuff each week.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
And I know that's part we're all talking about.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
We're all talking at the same time, we all talk
about the same time.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
We're all so we just want to jump in.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Man, Yes, so many, so many good questions go ahead.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
So I was gonna ask, and I think I know
what Bretton and Batt would say. We've talked about this
before to other coaches, But talk to me about halftime adjustments.
Are they overrated? Do you make any like it? Is
that the most overrated thing on the planet, or if
people really do that and it makes an impact.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
On the game, say no, all you do is go
up and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and that's it.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
I think it's a little bit overrated, to be honest.
I don't think anybody's going in there and completely changing schemes,
changing coverages, uh if anything. In sometimes I go in there,
I don't think that's the time to go in there
and yell. Though I did yell a little bit this week.
Just because of some things that were going on. But

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we're not yelling at halftime. We're trying to get the
kids calm down. I think it's important to communicate with
the players. We see and then they see what we're
communicating back and forth that we're all on the same page.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Sometimes it's just a tweak here or there with an
inside zone or a route or something where you come
out all of a sudden, we scored.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
We scored twice in the.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Second half out the gate we did. We didn't score
in the first half. It's not like we completely changed everything.
It's just a couple minor adjustments, you know, that we
make or something along those lines. So we've never really
gone in there and just rewritten the entire playbook. Now
we've gone in there and been like, oh, you know what,
we might be in trouble in the second half, but

(40:54):
you know, we're trying to figure it out. But we
don't do a ton of adjustments. Jeff comes in for offense.
Jeff comes in, he's got all the plays written down
and he's going to go these were seven best plays,
run plays, these were seven best pass plays. These formations worked,
and then we try to go back and look at
those and then fit those into the second half game plan.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
You know, I I don't know how many people understand
truly what goes on in halftime of a of a
high school game or a college game. NFL is totally
different because it's so short. And I heard one time,
you know, Pat, your question about about halftime adjustments, Bill
Belichick said, if you in the NFL, if you haven't
made your adjustments by this by the starter middle of

(41:39):
the second quarter, you're done. Like you better have your adjustment. Yeah,
it's too late because you don't have enough time at
halftime in high school. And Pat, I know just from
working with you and going by what you're saying about
what Jeff does at halftime and everything. Basically what we
do is we say what are they taking away from us?
And then what are we going to do to counteract it.

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I go back to what year was it. I want
to say twenty twenty one. We were playing Cold Rain,
and it didn't matter what formation we got in. They
were going to keep both defensive ends on the line.
One of those guys was Ivan Page Junior who's now
starting for the Minnesota Vikings, and the other guy was
number nine, and they were going to keep seven in
the box no matter what we did, and when we

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tried to spread them out, they wouldn't move. So we
just said, Okay, screw it, We're going to play with
two tight ends the rest of the game, and we
started moving the ball on them really well. But that's
the things that you have to evaluate, and I think
we do a really good job of that, mostly because
of the fact that we are so diverse offensively with
our formations and our personnel and all that, that we

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have a pretty large toolbox that we can go to.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
Yeah, sometimes I was saying maybe a too large of
a toolbox, but it is what it is. It's worked
for us. I think our kids know the know the
offense and can make those adjustments to it. Some of it,
honestly depends on how smart your kids are. Can they
what can they handle a halftime? And so we we
have a very smart football team, I believe this year.
And so we can Breck and go up to Patrick
and say, hey, you go up to Brady and say

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if this guy does this, and we're gonna do this,
and this is how the throw is gonna be.

Speaker 8 (43:14):
Like.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
For example, we called basic cook no, No one knows,
that is except for Brett and Hine. Maybe you guys
probably know, but hey, look just we're not gonna say
if we run basic, it's gonna be basic hook Okay,
got it? Boot hit it, you know, for for a
ten or twelve yard game, and that they can do it.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, you know, one of the things.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
And I you know, it's been a while since I've
coached high school football and have been involved. It sounds
like there's a lot of time that's it's invested. What
to the average listener out there, how much time are
you guys putting into Martin. We know you don't do anything,
but like looking at film, looking.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
At film, Like how much time?

Speaker 5 (43:53):
I know that right now, Pat, you're taking up on
a Monday night and you're probably writing down like you're
gonna vote for and everything else like that, which is
gonna be a question later, but like, how much time
are we talking about on a weekly basis to break
down film and to come up with strategy and everything.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
A lot?

Speaker 3 (44:08):
That's good. I think that that's that's a lot. That's
a good answer.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
But I don't ever think about it like that right
as a passion, Like this week for example, I got
other than other than other than coaching and teaching this tonight,
which is fun. This is a blast.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
I love doing this.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Tomorrow night I have the you know, the interview until
that'll go till six o'clock for the pregame. Wednesday night
we got Swapka meeting, and then Thursday night we have
open house. Friday night we play. So I'm walking home
till probably midnight on Friday, and then we're back up
there probably like usually get there about seven thirty or
eight on Saturday morning. We spend half the half the
day up there, and then Sunday we used to meet

(44:49):
half Today I've gone away from that just because because
of how much time and how much time away. So
I used to put in be it with sat out
probably five or six hours on Saturday, five or six
hours on Sunday. And then in addition to watching you know,
probably five to eight to ten hours of film a
week in my free time or at night or in

(45:12):
the mornings. But we've we've started meeting virtually just because
we have all the information. There's no need need to
go in there. And so we have a zoom meeting
on Sunday morning. Put the scouting airport together. I touch
base with Brett and then we do the special teams
and kind of go through the practice schedule and it
just saves everybody so much time. And quite honestly, I
think people coaches do more, they watch more film if

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they don't have to come in, and it was it
was unnecessary with all the technology that we have.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
Brett, we got the film. We get the film on
Tuesday for the most part.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Don't wait.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, most of the time. I mean, if as long
as the opposing coaches will you know, coordinate it with me.
I mean I usually try to send out on Monday
or Tuesday. I'll try to send out, you know, the
film request and you know, film exchange on huddle. Some
coaches are great about it, fly back immediately. Other coaches
it'll take you know, maybe they'll wait till Thursday or Friday,

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and that's their prerogative whatever. But the quicker we can
get the film, the quicker I can have it broken
down and I can have it loaded up for all
the coaches to see, cut it up offense, defense, special
teams and all that. But yeah, I mean, luckily we
were lucky this this this past week kings you know,
we were communicating with them at eleven o'clock Friday night

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after both of our games, and the film was there
when we woke up on Saturday morning, so our coaches
were able to jump right on it. And it's great.
I mean, Pat, you know we've all been around. When
you go back to Okay, well we're gonna meet at
the the BP stage at the corner of the First
and Main Street at ten am and exchange to and

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then you got to drive back back to your school.
Then you got to make copies of it. And if
you're playing out of town team, it's even worse. Now
it's just instantaneous. So it's it's a lot easier now
with all the technology.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
I can remember going out in person and scouting the
week before the team you're playing in person, scouting exchange
tape that night.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
We talked about that Basketball nball anymore do they I.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
Mean some people might do it, but it's I think
it's unnecessary. I don't think you're gaining anything from it,
especially with like we exchange we exchange a raws, so
we exchange exchange depth chart with some teams. So that's
taken care of. Uh, they have what they have this
scene called huddle assists where you can send it off
and that they break it down for you. And so
the game can already be broken down by the time
our kids get it, by the time we get it.

(47:36):
And quite honestly, I think I told Lane I'm going
to scout a game. Uh she, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (47:41):
She probably wouldn't be very happy.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Funny quickly, some of the freshman games are usually on
Saturday morning, but when the g c L can, they'll
work it out and play Thursday night, like you know,
under the lights after school and uh, elder was playing
sat X. I don't know what we maybe week said
and it was at Saint X and some of the
some of the parents and coach are like, he should
you think we should?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Is it worth it to go scout?

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I'm like, hell no, I'm not scouting a freshman game.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
You're out of your mind.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
If the scout a freshman game.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
I was there. I was there for you, for you, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
So.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Coach. I'm a big I'm a big culture guy. Right.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
I love culture, love talking about it, like I think
it's probably one of the most important, if not the most.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Important, part of any program.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
What is something that sets you apart then like the
rest of the schools that are out there, if I'm
like a sixth grade, seventh grader, like perspective student athlete,
that's God, I want to hitch my wagon to Pat
McLachlan star.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
What what would that be?

Speaker 6 (48:45):
That's a good question. I think that uh. And oh, honesty, Pat,
I think that when you talk about culture, it's it's
it's it's very important to have. But I would if
I wanted a kid to come high school or a
parent came to me, I would I would direct them

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to a player on our team, and I would direct
them to Brady or Jami or or Naim or Patrick
or Dre and say, why do you what? What?

Speaker 8 (49:17):
What?

Speaker 6 (49:17):
Why do you like LESU football? Why do you play
lea'sut football?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
What is uh?

Speaker 6 (49:21):
What's different about LASAL football? Why should I send my
kid there? And and and honestly, I think that they
would say, uh, the brotherhood. Uh. I think I really believe,
especially with this senior class, it's probably one of the
closest groups that I've ever been around. You know, maybe
I'm in a different spot now because you know, I'm

(49:42):
I'm a little bit close to kids, But I think
that the culture is good. I think that they trust
each other, they love each other, that they work hard.
I don't think that anybody, uh, anybody gets their feelings
or anybody gets upset when somebody else scores a touchdown.

Speaker 8 (49:59):
It's a it's a team first.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
Mentality, and I really think you see that on the field,
you guys. You guys are all through THESU guys. I'm not,
but I'm gonna have sons they graduate from there. And
my thing is, I want to put a team on
the field that you guys can be proud of. A
team that you look out there and go win or lose.
They play hard, they're disciplined, they do things the right way,
and you're proud to say that that's a LESU football team.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Love a pat coach, pat On on a personal level,
talk a little bit about what it's what it's been
like coaching coaching your son. You know he it's a
really talented freshman player and then yeah, halfway through a
sophomore year he got thrust in and you know he's
taking a lot of shots over the years.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
He's not a big dude.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I don't know if I've ever met it or seen
a tougher kid of his stature of playing that position,
going through the battles and the schedule that we've played.
You know, it's hand to have been senior night. Hand
to be emotional. Talk a little bit about just what
it's been like coaching Pat.

Speaker 8 (51:00):
It's been awesome.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
It's just it's one of those things that you know,
and I had somebody asked me this a couple of
weeks ago, Like I had to learn how to coach him.
I had to learn the relationship, if that makes sense.
I had to learn, uh, you know, and develop and
grow how I coached him, my expectations for him, you know.

(51:24):
And I think I've done a better job over the
last couple of years, uh, coaching him, developing him, maybe
patting him on the back a little bit more, although
I probably don't do it do it enough. But it's
been fun. It's been fun. I'll say this. Uh, two
guys that I have tremendous respect for, Dan Fleming and

(51:44):
then and then Dirk's before uh unfortunately before he passed away.
They both and I don't know if they talked about
this or they they had to have talked about it together,
you know, because because Tom coach Luke and then Flem
coached both of his boys, and they both had different
times came up to me and said, whatever you do,

(52:04):
just leave it at Lea's out. Do not take it home.
You know, you get in the car and you're driving
him home, don't talk about football, talk about his day,
talk about school, talk about girls, talk about something else.
And so that that has stuck.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
With me.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
As I try to develop and grow and coaching him.
I am not going to say that I always do that.
I promise you. We've had some hard conversations at home
in maybe a little bit different space, a little bit
different times.

Speaker 8 (52:35):
After various games.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
But I do try my best to be They said,
be a dad at home and be a coach on
the field, and you have to find a way to
separate those two. And I think I've done a better
job doing that, especially this year.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, and congratulations.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
Obviously he had first team honors this year, first team
GC honors, which is just awesome and one of the
things that and I've got your back on this, one
hundred percent, got your back me yourself. I used to
be a teacher. I'll still call myself a teacher, Brett.
I think teachers every once in a while Martin doesn't teach.
But it's hard. It's hard to turn it off. Crowd rough,

(53:14):
crowd hat, it's hard to turn it off. Coach, pat,
It's hard to turn it off. It's hard to sit
there and say, hey, you're gonna be a teacher and
coach for your entire life. But you can't teach and
coach during the hours of seven to ten, you know,
whenever you're gonna be like so called dad, I'm still
a teacher and coach. I think to my to my kids, right,
and it is like whoever it is. And I love

(53:34):
that advice, like, hey, you know what, I'm gonna talk
about girls, right, And I would love to hear that conversation.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
With you with PG.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Hey, man, I was in the middle of a column
this play looked up and I saw the sweeperes, Like
I would love to hear that.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
That would be that would be a great conversation. But
I mean, that's hard to do. It's hard to do.
It's hard to turn it off, is my point.

Speaker 6 (53:54):
Yeah, it definitely is. And so you know, especially you know,
being a quarterback being a head coach, I don't know that.

Speaker 8 (53:59):
You have for like truly turn it off.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
More of our conversations I think I've centered around how
do we handle things? How do you handle a situation?
How do you handle a bad game? How do you
handle a good game? Right, So, obviously be honest with you.
After Louisville Central, we had to have a really hard conversation,
and I did it at home because you know, I

(54:22):
felt like.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
That was the right time to do it. And so
it's like, hey, we.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Got to reset, we got to reboot. I still believe you,
I still trust you, still love you, but like we
got to refocus on everything that we're doing. And then
obviously at the end of Elder, now I gotta have
a different conversation with him. Now, all right, we gotta
we gotta keep doing this. You gotta what have you done?
And so it's kind of learning a learning process. Has
been a learning process for both of us.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Uh, what would and I don't think anybody this this
is gonna be my last question before I'd turn it
over to probably the toughest questions of your day. What
would be somebody like a fan of your fan of
will South High school football? We what would be somebody
surprised that would be surprised to know about your coach,
like outside of football, right outside of football, what.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Will be like a surprise?

Speaker 6 (55:08):
Oh that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
The story behind the story, the story behind the guy.
What is that?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
What if I told you?

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Yes, what if I told you?

Speaker 8 (55:17):
What if I told you? I have a twin sister.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
There we go, Brett, did you know that?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I think I did. She's a physician.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Is that correct?

Speaker 8 (55:27):
No, she's not a physician.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
She's an acting athletic director. Oh wow, I have a
twin sister that was a really really great high school athlete,
played at Erst Lines, was on the ninety three state
championship team.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Nice he played.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
She was on varsity for four years, four years of
varsity talking volleyball, I'm talking about four years of BARSI
volleyball and went to Fairfield University in Connecticut and she
actually I think was a got an Olympic tryout after
she graduated. So wow, I'm probably like the second best
athlete and the family after my twin sister, who I

(56:02):
am older than by two minutes.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
There you go, there you go. I didn't know that's
that's that's good enough.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Hey, Pat, Before we get you out here, there's one
thing I wanted to hit on with you, and I
think it's made all the differences world or this all
the difference in the world this year, and that is
how you have gone about structuring practices this year. And
I think the proof is in the pudding because South
football is I don't I don't know one hundred percent,
but they're pretty close to being at full strength as

(56:31):
far as health goes. Talk a little bit about how
you've changed up practices, how you've kind of attacked the
whole practice schedule and what it's meant to our kids.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
Well, I mean, again, this goes back to two years
of not seeing the outcome we want. And so every year, Pat,
you're in business. I don't know how you operate in business. Mark,
you're in business. But every year, at the end of
the season, Brett did this. I asked the coordinators, the
offensive corder or defense corner, especiallyams coordinator, and so this

(57:07):
was me. I was the coordinator. Brett wasn't there, but
Brett was there. What are three things that we got
to do better? Like Chris, I need three things this
year that we got to do better, be better at
to help our football team win. And so defensively, it
was pursuit. It was alignment and assignment, and then it
was tackling. So we worked those all the time, Brett
a couple of years. Offensively, what could we hang our

(57:29):
hat on? It was the bees and then we went
out and researched that. Well. This year I had to
take a look at the whole thing, and I spent
a lot of time with Brett, and I said, I
just want to go get practice schedules from anybody that's successful.
So we went to New Palestine, right, Brett, We went
to Palestine.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
We went to.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
North in Indiana close to the Church, northe.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
And Indiana chip Kelly Colleges, pros whatever, and we kind
of put our practice put a practice plan together that
we think, you know, fits us and it has. And
so as you go back and you look at all, right,
what are they? What were the areas of concern for
the South over the last two years?

Speaker 8 (58:09):
Injuries?

Speaker 6 (58:10):
I firmly believe that if Mick O'Connor doesn't get hurt,
Tyree's Price doesn't get hurt, Jamior doesn't get hurt, Walter
Berry doesn't get hurt, Time Brown doesn't get hurt, we
probably win five more games, you know, five or six
more games. I know they got hurt in games, but
was it just too much that we were doing in practice.
Was it too much hitting, was it too much whatever?
So we have completely restructure practice. So what we do

(58:34):
on Mondays as we meet, watch phil and then lift
and then we go on the field for an hour.
We do inside runs, seven on seven and team, a
little bit of individual and just trying to introduce the
new opponent. Tuesdays is a regular Tuesday practice. So our
hard days are are Tuesday. Tuesday we're going to be
on the on the field for two hours. Monday we're
on the field for about what an hour and fifteen

(58:55):
hours and thirty minutes bread. Yeah, yeah, Tuesday we're on
the field for probably two two fifteen. Wednesdays we call
no Sweat Wednesday. We got this from Chip Kelly at
Oregon and then he was doing it with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Both Celics said they loved it. So no Sweat Wednesday.
We watched film and we lift for an hour and

(59:16):
then we go on the field for an hour and
we just wear helmets, so we don't do inside run.
We do individual. We've done a heavy group, do seven
on seven and very light team. And then the kids
are off the field by like four thirty four to
forty five and then they go go recover, and so
it's a whatever they have to do, go get ice.

Speaker 8 (59:35):
We got the new.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
Training tub in there, the hot cold tub. They go,
do stretches, they go do anything that they need to
do to take care of their bodies. Go home and eat,
go home and rest, hydrate, and then Thursday we call
it sprint through Thursday. So Thursday we're playing like a game.
I mean, it is flying around, it's fast, which all
the research shows that you get your central nervous system

(59:58):
going on Thursday. Uh, you kind of get acclimated to
the game. We're running people on and off the field.
We're doing different situations. We're seven seven guys in and
out and that's more like a full speed, full go practice.
And we honestly we we tackle a little bit on
Thursday in practice.

Speaker 8 (01:00:15):
We'll tackle the twoes just so the varsity of the
you know, the ones, can get used to it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
And then on Saturday morning we come in after the game,
we watch film, We stretch, and we do like lactic
acid running type of things. We've had yoga in before.
Sometimes we do weightlifting, and so I think it's really
helped us stay healthy this year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I would I would love to see Fergus Crider do yoga. Yeah,
I would love to see that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
I would love I would love to hear his comments,
coach comments during.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
I think the interesting thing there that I take away
from that is it goes back to what you said
about Chip Kelly with the no sweat Wednesday, and you
just look at the accumulative effect over ten weeks, now
eleven weeks going into twelve weeks by just from an
offensive line, defensive line, and linebacker standpoint, the lack of
physicality on Wednesdays. How many reps you know we used

(01:01:10):
to run ten to twelve inside run reps on Wednesday.
Well just say it's ten. Let's do simple math here,
ten times twelve. You're looking at one hundred and twenty
contacts that aren't happening throughout the course of a season.
I just think it's doing so much to keep those
guys fresher and get them to the gate on Friday
night and you can see the results. It's it's undisputable.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
And I was Brett, I think I sent you an
article the other day the coach at Indiana, Signetti He's
won everywhere he's ever been. He takes he has a
similar philosophy. He said that we're gonna we're gonna be
on the field for an hour and forty minutes. Now
you come to our practice for an hour and forty minutes.

(01:01:53):
Kids are kids are flying around. And then he also
made a funny comment which you know, he said, they
got these things, uh, for the cat scams and X
rays and you know, all these machines that they find everything.
You go to a doctor, you're gonna find You're they're
gonna find something. And so, you know, trying to limit
the amount of hits, trying to limit the amount of.

Speaker 8 (01:02:15):
Of plays of stress on the body.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
As long as they're going through a fast and we're
keeping our kids on the field, our starters on the field. Uh,
and then it really has paid all for us.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
That's awesome, coach. We're gonna come to our last portion.
Hopefully you're ready for this. This is a little bit
uncomfortable right especially with election day tomorrow. You know, Martin's
probably gonna get into just the way he feels about
the politics right now and where everything is going. So
this is our nine for ninety and Martin Isley is

(01:02:47):
the one who's gonna be asking these questions.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
So gear up, bro, gear up.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I know it's I know you're a social studies teacher,
and I know that you're ready for this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
So who knows where this is gonna go. So Martin
will get after buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Thank you, Pat.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Coach, Coach Pat, We're gonna we're gonna mix this up
this week a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Okay, we're gonna do something a little bit different. First
time we've done this on TI.

Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I love this. God, I'm so excited about this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
All right, So it's still nine, but you basically just
have to say real or fake?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
All right? Is this a real name or is this
a fake name?

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
College basketball season is approaching, Okay, we got the Big
East starting tonight, so there's the best names in college basketball,
all right, and you have to tell me if this
is a real athlete's name or it's a fake name.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Okay, I'm gonna start with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
All right, We're gonna start with fat Fat Brooks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Fat fat Brooks. Is that a real athlete?

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Way?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Fat Fat Brooks is a six foot two guard at
the University of Michigan. That's a p h A t
p h A t p h.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
That's nice, right.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Next name Dysquarious Green Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Oh, that's gotta be fake.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
That's fake. That's from the Peel Show. That's from Peen
and Peel.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I was just gonna say this. Have you guys seen
the key? That's where was the one guy from b Yu?
What was his name? John Smith? Was Smith b Yu? Oh?
Jill Martin? Was that fake?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
That was fake?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
All right? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Good? Next name Tennessee Rainwater.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
I'm gonna go real. I'm gonna go real. There's no
way real.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Tennessee Rainwater is a six foot six sophomore at the
University of Utah Tech.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
That is a real name Rainwater?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Is he? And that this is no shot? But like
I does he have some madive American blood of the Rainwater?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
No, he doesn't. Look his picture wouldn't tell you that,
but he very well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Is his dad it's his father, Thomas Rainwater from Yellowstone Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Yes, good question, I'm sure that's his that's his dad.
It's fictitious character, Yes, that's right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Next name Churchill Bounds. Churchill Bounds.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
That's a real name.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
He's a six foot ten guard at Wagner University.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Six foot ten guard, ten forward.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
He's a good Churchill, Churchill, Churchill Bounds.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
Well, okay, so the parents are an educated I mean
the name of Churchill Bounds.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
It's pretty freaking awesome. That's pretty money.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Pretty good, one good, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Next name coach pat uh Jean Jacques Francois Jacques Jean.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Oh Way Many.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
He's he goes by the nickname j J Frankie JJ.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Is that a real name or that's a fake name.
That's a character from the TV show Shorsy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
He's a hockey player on the TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So it's it's fictitious, but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Kind of real because he's on he's on my favorite,
my favorite sports show right now on on Hulu is
called Shores and it's uh, it's like it's hockey. It's
like ted Lasso, but it's hockey and it's completely defened
and it's one of the funniest shows you'll ever see.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
So it's a recommend league.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Did they play in Martin They play in the the
no show. It's the North Ontario Senior Hockey Organization.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
All right, A couple more to get through. We'll do
this quickly. Snooky Wiggington, Snooky Wicked.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Yeah, that's a real name.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Snooky Whittington's a real name. He's a he's a five
foot nine guard Ryder University. Okay, Snook, you wait, that's
in that's in New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yeah, New Jersey Shore Girl, Snookie, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
All right. Jack Marius tech Theratrix.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
No, no way, that's from that's from.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Jack Marius tech Theratrix on the show. He was a
football player from Michigan State. But that is a fictitious name.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Hey, but but seriously, though, what's the difference between that
and Plexico Buris for Michigan?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Not much much at all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I'm sure that's where they.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Got it from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
All right, catch Pat, last one, you're off the hot seat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Uh, Supreme Cook.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Supreme Cook.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
I'm gonna go yes on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Supreme Cook is a six foot nine forwarded Oregon this year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
That is a real name.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
I heard he's an ass kicker. I've heard he's an
absolute ass kicker.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Pat, you were officially off the high Martin for being
a guest here on Taals from the script with the coach,
get himself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Coach Pack got himself a fifty dollars gift card to
ponder Rosa in Mount Airy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Gratulations, coach congratulations, free refills.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Salamar is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yes, it kicks.

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
At least it's not frish. It's right, it's better than fresh.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
I had to give myself a fresh soon quick expiration
date on that. Uh that that that gift card? Yeah, well, Pat,
thank you for joining us tonight. You know, we we
all know how busy coaches are this time of the year.
And you you laid out what what your week is
looking like? Swaftka what we got swaft go on Wednesday

(01:08:45):
night Roger Bacon?

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Gotta go to Roger Bak. You gotta go to Swaft
or else. Our kids can't get on the the old
league team, the old district team. If they can't get
on that, they can't get on all states. So but
it's also good to go see some of those guys.
But that's usually at Roger Bacon and then plug for
the open house.

Speaker 8 (01:09:02):
Let's out open house Thursday night.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
Anybody that wants to check out prospective student want to
come check out the South see our brand new lifting facility.
It should be a great event on Friday night or
excuse me, Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Nice, Well, thank you for joining us. And I know
you're busy this time of year, the way they pull
head coaches not only for media requests for high quality
podcasts like Tales from the Script, but but you have
your own coach Pat show on Thursday nights each week,
and and I know it can't be a lot of fun,
but at the end of the day, it can also

(01:09:35):
be Sometimes you just want to go home and you
get to this point in the season, man, you just
gotta gotta find a way to catch your breath and
get geared up for Friday night. So thank you for
joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
It means a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
And uh, good luck to the answers on Friday night.

Speaker 6 (01:09:49):
Well, you know, it means that we're winning games. So
if we're doing still doing stuff right now, I guess
you guys only talk to winners, and you had RV.

Speaker 8 (01:09:56):
Crouch on and he's winning some games, and now it
means we're winning. So I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
I really appreciate you guys. Brett, I'll being on staff,
Marty being on staff, and Pat, it's been fun to
be around you for the last four years really actually
one of that because I actually had a willing class
my first US right how but uh, I'm looking forward
to Friday night. It's going to be a really good,
really good, uh good ballgame, fun atmosphere, good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
And uh good answers. We can say that to three
grands and we can be homers at this point, no
doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Yes, sir LRD.

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No doubt he's the best in the business.

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