TFTS E36 : Mark Porter from ScoutingOhio.com - 247 Sports - Bucknuts - Tales From the Script

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, everybody, welcome back to the twenty twenty five
version of the Tales from the Script podcast. It's been
a minute. We do apologize. Life has gotten the better
of us over the past few months. To our to
our rangving fan out there, it is singular, right, guys,
there's probably not too many single digits for Suroud.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're a number one fan and he claims he's a
number one fan. Shout out to Eric Gagnan. It was
nice spending the the evening at the the Sports Day.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
With Eric a couple of months ago.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's it's it's.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Been that long.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
So yes, Gags, we're back. We're back, here for you, buddy,
We're here for We are back, and we apologize. There's
been a lot going on in all of our personal lives,
and let's give an update.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Let's give an update like what has held us from
from recording content for our loyal listener, like Pat, what's.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Been going on in your world?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, for me, it was a little bit of moving
things around with my youngest son who's going to be playing,
uh playing at the next LEFE level and trying to
figure that out. High school basketball was kind of getting involved,
and there's just a lot of life happening at this
point in time. With my youngest, it's going to be
a complete empty nest. And then I have to introduce
myself to my wife again and try to figure out

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her name. And you know, we're gonna have to figure
it because it's been Skyline for two nights a week
for the last four years and now now I thank
you Mark. Have they sponsored anything yet gold Start? Yeah?
What did they do? That's right? We did that grave
case for that one for that one teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
A couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah. So that's what's been going on with me, Martin.
What's been going on with you?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I got a new job. I started a new gig
in December. Actually, my old employer brought me back somewhere.
There's where they call those a boomerang employee or rebound
employee es. Yes, So just busy getting the land of
land there and waking up earlier and go to bed later.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
But all good.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
I'll get in the hood.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
If you like it.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Oh yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Where FCN Bank and headquarter in Brookville. So it's about
a thirty five to forty minute trive.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Which is closer.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
You know, it's closer to Blue Ash from where I
was going was theres a pizza Pizza pet I know,
but they're not open during lunch. Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
They got pizza in a bag. It's amazing. I know,
I haven't it's in a bag. And that Mexican and
the new Mexican place up there.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, in Mexican Joint there's it has a skyline in
two Mexican restaurants in this little town.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
They lead the.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
League in emmodium sales per person.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
I swear to God that.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, Georgia's pharmacy sells the hell.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
No, I'm just place up there. We went up there
on a Friday and it was fun. It was really good.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, there's a new one of the old one.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
I can't remember the name of them, but it's the.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
New one, the new one. I'll find it. I'll find it, Ratt,
What give me a full report.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Back in Throughout the month of December, my my my oldest,
my daughter Hannah bought her first residents by a new
condo over in Wilder, Kentucky. So spent time moving her
in over there, brand new facility by Fisher Homes. Really
nice complex. It's going up and so moving her in
and doing some of the dad duties.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Uh, installed a backsplash, ceiling fans, you know, changed out
some switches, added some dimmers, just all the little handy
band stuff and.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
You know, oh absolutely absolutely the light switch on and
the freaking garbage dispose.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's gonna start. Yeah, so you knows, man, Yeah, a
man's man.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I've been doing some of that stuff and so it's uh,
it's been good.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Uh So now you mentioned empty nester, like we are
officially an empty nester.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
My son, Keene, he's been out ever since. He he
never even came home from college. He just stayed down
in uh Lexington, Winchester area, farming down there and got
my daughter off the payroll. Now, so it's uh, we
are an empty nest. Although we are watching her dog
off and on as she works multiple ship.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
That is a such that is such an older parent
thing to do. Oh yeah, I mean my dad's right
here and dar heard dogs right next to me at
the door waiting waiting to go out.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
So it's it's it's good, it's good. It's it's fun.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So let me now, buddy, that's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
So that's that's what's been going on with us and
that kind of explains why we've been kind of in
the bunker, so to speak, for the last four months.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's hard to believe.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I think what was it was was Pader last guest,
or maybe it was Jared Lougan Bill.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't know. It was mid to late November. But uh,
it's been it's been a minute, as the kids say
these days, right.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, and and for all you listen for that, for
that listener that we have out there, we have completely
got back to it. We're we're really excited to launch
the twenty twenty five version and give you content on
a more frequent basis. We're promising another one at least
before October. So we're really excited, uh, to make this

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commitment to you. So we're fired up. We're fired up,
for sure. It's uh, we got some good ones lined up,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
We got some uh some of these in the in
the tank and the can as they say, and so
it's it's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
But uh, what what does what doesn't? I think it
means like we're done, Like we're done. It's things are.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Cooked, right, got some I'm not I think that's.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
A film film film, little nugget film reference, film reference
in the can.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So Pat, we were talking off air, and you've got
to you've got a couple of things that are just
burning your your.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Okay, yeah, burning your mind right now? What do you
got to get off your chest?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
And I I think it's I think it's absolutely elluting.
And I'm not gonna be the old man on the
front porch because I just talked a little bit about
or he'd been empty completely, completely, one hundred percent. But
like name of Cinderella this year, not that there. It
hasn't been one of them in the years, and I
feel like that's a little already played. We have four

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one seeds for only the second time in the tournament history,
making this And do you see a future where like
this is maybe the first time that I haven't had
to watch Usually it's must see TV like the NCAA
Tournament and still something I'll turn on. But I'm like, ah, man,

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it's just not as good. So what you're saying, you
know the players, you don't know the teams. It's all
new teams every year.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Right, That's part of it.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
But I think the other thing you're saying, too, is
that even like my two of my favorite nights are
Friday or Thursday and Friday of the Sweet sixteen when
you get four quality games. Yeah, but a lot of
times that Sweet Sixteen game on a Thursday night, you'll
get a George Mason, a Virginia Commonwealth.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Name them who? Yeah, Kent State, like Kent State with
Antonio Gates years ago.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Like, you get those guys and they're trying to make
a run to you know, to the Elite Aid and
then if they get an Elite eight game, who knows,
they might end up in the Final four, which has happened.
Fau happened? What was it?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Last year? The year before?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So I think I think that's what you're selling. Coastal Carolina,
Florida Golf Coast is what I meant. Sorry, Florida Golf Coast. Yeah,
now Coastal Carolina, that's another one if you want to
go down that road.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
They won the College.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Baseball World Series a couple of years ago. Is that
going to happen anymore? Are we going to see a
Coastal Carolina win? Or is it going to be Florida,
Mississippi State, Texas?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
LSU is going to be this prevent.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
A freaking wealthy alumni from one of those colleges. Like
picture a dude with like Mark Cuban's money who graduated
from a Xavier to say, you know what, I'm gonna
freaking buy a national championship for I want to see
Grambling playing Notre Dame in a bowl game, like they
could do that. There's nothing preventing the open market from
doing that too, right.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay, So so you're saying that that's going to be
these one one offshoots every once in a while where
you're going to have the power comp for instance, SEC,
Big ten, Big twelve with all of this football money,
have the to the equivalent of the Yankees, Matt's Cubs,
Dodgers just well five, we talk in urnament, which which

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sport are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Here? We talking about football. Were talking about fasts, faring.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I'm compared to basketball, to what is going on in basketball,
to what is going on in the Major League Baseball?
Because right now my Xavier Muskies are the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, but why why can't they get a wealthy, wealthy
benefactor to say, I'm gonna pile a bunch of money
and I alway get the five.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Best players they absolutely can't. But I don't think that
it's that they're gonna have that yearly annually like year
of a year commitment. You're not.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, I mean you could if somebody said to you,
what was the final four and twenty eleven?

Speaker 5 (08:53):
I could.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I have no clue right now, but I'm gonna name
eight teams. I'll say UCLA, Kansas, Duke, Michigan's State, and
I guarantee it it's those blue bloods were in it,
with maybe one other offshoot, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Don't think I see we put that pat. Let me
let me throw this out at you. You mentioned Xavier.
Xavier this year finished fourth in the Big East, right, Yeah,
finished fourth in the Big East. They made the tournament.
How different is that to what they've been in the past.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Now, I know that they they would make they would
make runs the sweet sixteens, But isn't that so isn't that.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Similar to where Xavier's kind of always been?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Now? I guess my point is this every year, like
in years past, and this is again the old man
on the on the front porch kind of routine here,
is that in years past, you would kind of have
an idea I can't wait till next year. We've got
a sophomore that's gonna be really good. This junior is
gonna be better, JP mccurra. These guys are gonna be

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They're gonna be a year older, a year wiser, that's
just going to be so much better. And then this
year everybody's going everybody gets reloaded. Right, So are you
telling me it's a problem that they don't have anybody
on the roster right now?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Is that a problem?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Scooch? No, I mean seriously, because in the I use
in the same boat you has zero players on the
roster right now.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Zero They either graduated or they transferred.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
And I think the worst part about NAO for me,
like what which I think affected that the kids and
student athletes the most in a negative way is the
conference realignment and the fact that you know U c
l a Is traveling to the East coast for freaking
middle of the like the.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
College and the spirit that's a whole other problem.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
The conference re alignment thing is for as what's ruined
a lot of I think the image of the sport.
For me personally, I got no problem with kids making
a dollar instead of the universe I don't either.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
I'm cool, I don't.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Anybody that does, and like whatever, I just felt like
what it's done to the I mean, the Big East
basketball used to be like my favorite thing in the
world to we'll watch. It's completely gone, you know, so
I yes, And the same with football. I mean, I
don't understand how Rutgers, Maryland and USC are in the

(11:17):
same Conference's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yes, well yeah, I mean it's so different than the
Atlantic Coast Conference. Miami plays cal I'm not a geography major,
but that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
The Atlantic Coast Conference, the agency and.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
How it's trickled down to the high school players who
aren't getting those opportunities because you know, if you're your
Division one program.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
We'll couple that later on.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
How many players? How many players the portal open on Monday?
How many players do you think are in the portal
right now.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
For college basketball? All of them?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Over it out.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's over one thousand at that point. Last year there
were six, So is it now?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Here's the thing? Is it nil?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Or is it just the free transfer rule, the ability
to transfer without penalty, It's gotta be it.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, the opportunity to play I agree, with both. I
think the ones that we care about is the nil right.
And so the rules that I heard, and I'm gonna
footnote old Keelan dan here and I liked his take.
Moving from mid major to major or from major to
mid major, you can, you don't have to sit out. However,
if you'd go from UCLA to Auburn, you have to

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sit out. A here, there shouldn't be this. Hey, I'm
gonna buy myself a championship if you want to improve
your status in order to Hey, I want to challenge
myself with better players, you know, try to step myself
up from a MAC to at SEC. Hey, that's no

(13:03):
sit out. You don't. You're saying that, you're saying it
should be that way. I like that role. That's that's
Dan Cronin's role. And I saw that rule. That's what
he would do that. Yes, okay, So take who was
the uh who was the guard for Xavier who transferred
to USC.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Last year?

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Just so guys a song point? Yeah, I know you. Yeah,
but but in that in that rule, no, in that
rule he would be going from Xavier to USC Big East,
big ten, he would have to sit for a year. Yeah,
I don't know. There's there's there's so many ways to

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look at it.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I mean, yeah, I know, I get it. How about that?

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Have you been paying attention to the kid who was
the corner back at UH Wisconsin that signed as n
I L deal. He was a freshman, had one year
on team, signed his NI L deal and it was
a two or three year n I L deal, and
then tried to transfer and the team said no point.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh yeah, they put put the they put the block
on it.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
He's stealing them, They're stealing him. It'll be interesting to
see if that court case has ramifications down the road.
But yeah, I don't know. How about I know we've
talked about this on the POT before, and let me
bring this back up. I'm advocating it all right.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Is this about do you happen to perform at a
at an open nighte Nike.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Relegation, the bottom two teams in the Big ten should
go into the MAC and the top two teams with
the MAC get bumped up to the Big Ten.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Do the same thing with the Big Sky, do the
same thing with.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Uh Yeah, sun belt sun Belt, we go into the A, C, C,
A SEC would go into the Sun Belt.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
So you would have like sister like brother and sister conferences. Correct. Oh,
I like it. I like someone, and I was something here,
and I I.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Was going you create feeder schools, and I always going
to create feeder schools where you're going to have a
Miami of Ohio feed Ohio State, You're going to have
a Bowling Green feed Michigan.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, it's what it's. Here's what it was back in
the day. Okay, it used to be that Bowling Green.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
They would they would have a high school.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Kid that they wanted to sign, but they knew that
he wouldn't qualify academically, so they would put him at
Butler County Junior College and they would hide him there,
and they'd hide him there for a year or two,
knowing that, hey, we're going to take you as soon
as you as soon as you graduate from JUCO. And
so it ended up being a feeder program. I could
see that, and and it might go it might go

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both ways, it might go up and down. So let's
say Ohio State over recruits kids, which they've done.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, they take a legacy, which I don't know if
they do anymore, but you know, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
You over recruit a kid and then after two years
you got to have that tough conversation.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
It happened with me, guys, it happened with me, like
I wasn't good enough and so they had to kind
of have a talk with me.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Injuries played a role in it, but you know, sometimes
you got to tell a kid say, hey, man.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Like you're not good enough to play here.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
You're just not good enough.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
But I got a spot for you.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I got a guy who used to be on our
staff who's now the offensive coordinator at Ohio University or
at Miami of Ohio or Bowling Green or wherever, and
they'll take you.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
They'll take you tomorrow. But at the end of the day,
here's what I'll say. Okay, at the end of the day,
it's all about the kid and what's best for them
to have the best best experience, their best college experience.
Because you only get one go round at this You
only get four or five years. I like to say that,
but it might be six or seven. Who knows anymore,
the way the rules are, but you only get one
go round.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
And so these guys who are like, okay, I got
I got two dudes in front of me that I know,
I'm not going to beat out.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
I'm out of here.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like I want to go play college sports. I want
to play basketball, I want to play football. Yeah, and
that's you can't fault him for now. And there's that.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
There's kids now too, like the young fella from Winton
Woods cam Calhoun, who I love. I coached him in
seventh and eighth grade.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Started at Michigan freshman year, got to wear that uniform
and had a great experience. Went to Utah last year
as a sophomore. Started was all league. I think all
the field time and tape in the world, and I
think the Nils just got to the point where Okay,
now he's in Alabama. But he went from three different

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schools and had a great experience at each. But he
kept moving because I think the NIL is getting good
for him.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I got no problem with that.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know, I mean a go get it if he can.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Here's what I'll say. Imagine if this was around thirty
years ago.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Could you imagine the money the people that we know
or us, what we could have made back in the
day these I mean, it's ridiculous, Like they're making millions.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
We might have made three thousand.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Dollars, would have been like a million dollar.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
Welcome to Tales from the Script, a bad app Cincinnati
high school sports podcast that features local coaches and athletes.
You are your hosts, Brett Schneeber, Pat O'Connor, and Martin Eisley.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Okay, fellas well, I'm I'm excited to bring on our guests.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Tonight went went down a little bit of a different
road here.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Our guest is is somebody that is probably the pre
eminent voice, I would say, in the state of Ohio
when it comes to high school football recruiting and if
you're the parent of a high school player, no matter
what grade it is, if you are a player, if
you're a high school coach, if you're a college coach,
he's the guy right here because he's the source of.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Most of the information. He runs his own website. It
is called Scoutingandohio dot com. And I am happy tonight
to bring in the one and only you.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Don't have shit. I'm happy to bring in Mark. Mark. Welcome,
and it's good to have you on here.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I know you got a wealth.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Of information and we wanted to kind of kind of
rout of your cache here A little bit and get
a lot of this information out of you.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, it was a heck of a nice intro, but
that's essentially what I do. I essentially put out a
report for college coaches. The high school players get to
be on the website for free, so it's a good
deal for them. And then really I like to think
of myself as a grand assistant, where I'm doing a
lot of the grunt work for the college coaches, a
lot of the organizational work. At the end of the day,

(19:58):
I I try to just speak grease for the wheels
of this system.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I can't. Let's go right out of the gate.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
I imagine because of social media and technology in some aspects
it's gotten easy to organize that stuff. But another side
of it is with all the kids that are maybe
the transfers from more.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Prevalent now, is it keep you busier?

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Like how because you've done this for a while, I
know the website, you've been around for doing this for
I would to say as early as like twenty ten.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
So yeah, two thousand and five was the first year,
so this is actually going to be twenty years, which, yeah,
if if you've followed us that long, it makes me
feel old never would have believed it to last this long.
There's a lot of forced gumping me whereas at the
right place at the right time, and just dumb enough
to keep going with it at certain times. And it's

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kind of worked out. And you know, as the times
have changed, you know, as easy as it is to organize,
and there are so many systems you can use to
do that stuff. Now there's a new crop of players
every year, a couple thousand players, and it's like the
male it just keeps coming. And you know, the guys
like me try to stay on top of it. And
hopefully I can provide some sort of a cutting edge

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to this process where coaches know when they get into
the Scouting Ohio database, the latest players should be in there.
And that means the youngest players. I mean, not only
are we looking at the class of twenty twenty six,
it's twenty twenty eight, and there's even some eighth graders
that pop up you have to kind of know about.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
That was gonna be my question, how low do you go?
This is like you know, the old limbo, how low
do you go?

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah? Now, I think the industry and the internet would
like you to think it starts in sixth grade, which
it doesn't, and it doesn't I'm just already.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
What about baby Baby Gronk Mark we've seen Baby Gronk
on social media.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, you know what, that is such a great example
of what I'm talking about. You know, what you do
at the youth levels doesn't translate to what you're gonna
do with grown men on the field. And there's a
lot of dads and I call it the tuning up
of a player, where you can tune up a six
year old or you can tune up an eight year
old and he can dominate his competition, and it would

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present itself to maybe someone who's not as astute that
you know, this kid could be great where you're just
taking advantage of other eight year olds who don't know
what they're doing yet. And as this gets, you know,
you know, into their teenage years. And I just saw
a Baby Gronk video the other day. Hey, it really
seems like things are starting to even out with him.

(22:30):
And if you guys remember there was a kid in
the Super Bowl a couple of years ago that ran
out and handed out the game ball and he was
like a big time flight football player. I just saw
an update on him where he hasn't gone onto a
varsity field yet, and I'm sure he will. But a
lot of this younger success doesn't translate now. It doesn't
mean I won't start building a database and start knowing

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the names, because if they're not a big time player,
they'll end up a D two or D three or
something like that. Which you know, my clients are not
only you know, the Big Ten and the Ohio states
of the world, it's also the mount Unions and places
like that to play D three football.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So Pat likes to do that.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
He signed up once for like a fourteen or twelve
year old karate instruction class. So who could dominate these
kids and beat the crap out of them?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know, we were all at the same experience level.
We were all at the save experiences.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
SI.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
You all had ziety years.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I get Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Well, Mark, let me ask you this. You said you've
been doing this for almost twenty years. Give us a
little bit about your background and.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
What possessed you to go in and become the voice
of recruiting of high school football recruiting in a football
crazed state like the state of Ohio.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I think the only way it would work, and I
used the word for us gott but almost on accident.
I grew up in Canfield, Ohio, played high school football
there and and then I got to play football at
Kent State. We were not very good there, but you know,
a lot of coaches came through and that that turns
out to help me later in life. Before I knew
a lot of coaches. But when I got done, I

(24:05):
went back to coach at Campfield and as the players
that I coach needed highlight films. Back in two thousand
and two or two thousand and three, this was basically
before YouTube, and there was a father in town, Jean Banana,
who had technology to put videos on the internet, and
it was dial up And if you gave me your video,
I'd upload it at night and I would tell you,

(24:27):
if you're lucky, tomorrow morning, this will be online and
you can watch it while you buffer. And people told
me then, no one will ever watch these on their phone,
No one will ever, you know, do that, you know,
be as advanced as we are today. And that day
has obviously come. But it was the right place, the
right time. I never ever once came out of college

(24:49):
or anything. It said all I want to be this
scout or the voice of football. In fact, it was
more about that I had DVD technology and we can
put an arrow over the player back in the day
where that was cutting edge, and then as the times evolved,
I hope I've stayed with it. But twenty years later,
I mean, kids on their phones are you know, uploading

(25:10):
videos and the quality is HD and it's just comes
so far in so many years of it that way.
But at the heart of it, I learned to be
a football scout. And there was a scout in Ohio,
John McCallister, who was the you know, the old timer,
and he had some work ethic to him and everywhere
he went, I tried to be and tried to match
his worth work ethic, and you know, to be in

(25:32):
this business when people like you guys are going to
ask me about players. I don't see all of them,
but I see a lot of them. And if I
don't see him in a game, I see him in
a camp, or I see him in a combine, or
I see him in a high school workout or a
seven on seven. So I do my best to put
my two eyes and and really my job, Like I said,
I'm a grad assistant. But my job is really to

(25:54):
bear witness, go stand next to Matt Ponatowski and make
sure he's as tall as he he's listed, you know,
and and and really legitimize things like that. And I
know that's a mister football and obvious name, but.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
From our perspective, it doesn't matter how tall.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
That it is.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
And I say that because because we've had to compete
against him now for three years and we've got.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Another one coming up, so you know what, I totally
get what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Sometimes you just sit the nail on head. That's the
story too, where I will go and say exactly what
you said. Hey, I went to go see him, but
size is irrelevant on this one, you know. And I
try to save people a drive. You know, there's a
great looking tight end on a Minster and hey, you're
gonna have to make a trip out there, or you
know what, you don't have to make it out to
Saint Henry this year, or you know, I hope that

(26:42):
I'm a good enough grad assistant where I can you know,
be a time saver and and you know, shoot coaches
in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Now Marvel Market, it's a former g assistant myself.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Okay, I appreciate everything you do because I was a
grand assistant in Indiana State back in the day, and
I remember getting stacks.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Of tapes of the of coaches who'd be out on
the road.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
They'd come back in and they're like, just just put
an eye on this for me before before I take
it into the into the staff room.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
So I totally get what you're saying, Martin. Would you
have to say there?

Speaker 4 (27:10):
But I was gonna say that had to be a
pretty good feeling when you were just getting started to
There's there's something about you're giving kids a chance, right
who may not have otherwise gotten one. So that had
to be a pretty good feeling just from a really
film I don't want to say filmthrop it, what's what's
the right word where you know you're really doing a
lot for kids.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
When I started, I was making films for kids I coached,
so I didn't want to charge them. And a lot
of guys that you know, I coached with wanted me
to make films for their kids, and I didn't want
to charge those kids. But that was the predominant business model,
is charged the kid a couple hundred dollars, charge of
a thousand dollars. It was through John McCallister and realizing

(27:51):
the colleges would pay and could I come up with
some sort of system and a website where they would
pay enough where the kids wouldn't have to And like
you're saying, you do get a good feeling, Hey, I'm
helping this, but I never want to say I'm taking
credit for the kid's talent. There's enough handlers or jock
snippers in the business that would put insert themselves in
the process. And then it would say, you know what,

(28:13):
I'm at Ponatowski a scholarship. That's you'll never hear me
say that. If I was to do it right, maybe
he would be in my system before he had any scholarships,
and I would know about him as a freshman, and
that would be how I, you know, could help things
out and maybe get him invited to cancer, you know.
And he's a real but the greatest example because he's

(28:34):
one of the best players in Ohio. But there's a
lot of kids farther down in the trough that, yeah,
you do kind of help them, Like you know, a
kid that's in a different school, you know, maybe not
as popular as Molar Molar is not exactly the greatest
example because they get a lot of foot traffic.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Now, Mark, if you don't mind me asking, is this
your full time job now?

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, is this what you do full time?

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Yeah, it is. It's been for twenty years really now
really the caveat and that is uh, buck Nuts has
also been a side hustle or a side job where
the two kind of go hand in hand. You know,
when I'm out there covering players, I of course run
across all the Ohio state prospects and I have video
and photos and you know, Bucknuts we cover those guys

(29:15):
a nauseum to the normal fan where we really go
in deep and Bill Kurt Look does a great job
there and then you know, the Bucknuts is a different
avenue but almost like this that we do podcasts. And
you know, there's a lot of different ways to you know,
put your irons in the fire and make this work.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
And the reason I ask, the reason I ask is
because when I met you back on I don't know,
December tenth, whatever it was, it was on a Wednesday
night for the Local Football Coaches Association their recruiting night.
And every year you're there and you're living up in Youngstown.
I'm sitting here thinking, man, if you're if you're down
in Cincinnati on a Wednesday night, and I'm thinking, to

(29:53):
see you have to go to work the next morning
or something like. But you're very dedicated to the fact
that I see you every single year. You come in
with your black and green T shirts and you're talking
to the coaches and your feet are on the ground.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
So I was very curious.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
That whether or not this was this is what you do,
and obviously it is, and you do a great job
at it.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
So we gather hundreds of names from those recruiting nights.
Like you're saying, it's weeks of going back to work
the next morning and doing the follow up, and like
you're saying, and when you were a GA and they
would stack the vhs or the DVDs on your desk.
The part of this business that's the toughest is it's
real time. I watched probably two thousand videos this year,

(30:35):
and all of them are three, four, eight, ten minutes
where you can't get away from putting that time in,
you know, And you'll sit there in the morning and
try to watch a couple hundred quarterbacks and you'll get
through fifty and you're like, I don't even get through
the day. And you know you're spending a whole week
just watching quarterbacks. So there's a lot of real time
film studying there. That's that's unavoidable. And again the college

(30:59):
coaches do it, but they want you to narrow it
down for him. You know, don't send me all two hundred,
give me that top twenty. And if you've been doing
this long enough, they trust you that your top twenty
is done. Biased is in the ballpark, and you know,
maybe they're not in the exact right order, but you know,
Mark has gone pretty close.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
And that's awesome. My question, Mark, what would you tell
parents who are listening to this now you know you've
got a freshman who wants to go on to or
a sophomore that wants to play football at the next level.
What advice would you give them? How would you tell
them to start their their bio and how would they
do about that?

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Yeah, I just spoke at Masslin and it was a
fifteen minute talk. And if I could try to reduce
that fifty minute talk into your answer is be patient
and relax and enjoy your son's career. Because I think
too many parents stress out with every play, every game.
They're sending out clips and they're putting clips on the

(31:59):
internet every week, and they're always wondering is this gonna
be the one? And they're they're anxious about you know,
what camps do I send my kid to because you know,
I don't want to I only get one chance to
do this and I don't want to hurt my son
or miss something. But that mentality leads to them being
taken advantage of by people, and people leading them in
the wrong direction. And and you know, getting into their

(32:20):
checkbooks pretty easy. Uh Scotty o'hios free, and there's other
free things that I would recommend you do, but the
stuff that's paid I would be very leary of. And
that's why you have a high school head coach. He's
usually the point man who can you know, shoot shooting
the direction because a lot like me, he's got probably
twenty years of seeing these you know, scams and all

(32:41):
Star games come and go, and I mean, guys, we
we could, we could go in this forever. With all
Star games you've got to pay for Is that really
an all Star game when you're paying.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
To be in it?

Speaker 5 (32:52):
An All Stargram after your senior year. Yeah, like when
someone says, hey, I want to play in this All
Star game after my senior year because I want colleges
and noticed me. It's like, you just played in twenty games,
and if those films weren't good enough, rotating in some
All Star game and getting twenty plays isn't gonna be
the you know, thing that tips the scale in your favor.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
You go ahead right along those lines. What's what's your
take on like the seven on sevens in this like
you know, they're just so prevalent now, like great question mark,
Can you get a scholarship from seven on seven or
is it?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
I got I got mixed feelings about it myself.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Yeah. So I have a son who's a quarterback, and
we've done a couple seven on sevens, and initially I'm thinking, boy,
I got a quarterback who's on the ground floor of this.
I keep hearing that the seven on sevens in Florida
and these other state states are what's separating athletes and
this should level the playing field, and that was the hope.

(33:55):
I'm not exactly sure having been to a couple of these,
and here's what Here's what I want to say, is
we see on TV, on ESPN and the NFL Network
that they're playing these seven on sevens with the national
competition and the quarterbacks going to the USC and the wide
receivers going to Texas, and it's real fun for those
fan bases to watch the future stars play each other.

(34:19):
So I think other kids think that if they play
seven on seven, that's going to be the end game.
They're going to be playing in these big, you know,
tournaments and on TV and get more notice. I don't
think that's exactly how it's going to work out. I
think there's about one hundred and fifty d one kids
in Ohio, and not all those kids are skill kids,
meaning quarterbacks and receivers and dbs. So to build these

(34:43):
seven on seven teams, there's only going to be probably
four or five teams in Ohio that have kids with offers,
you know, and maybe only a couple of teams that
have kids with the Big ten offers and the Ohio
State offers. So there's only a few teams that fit
that category of playing on esp are playing on the
you know, in Pylon or some of these bigger tournaments.

(35:04):
The rest of it should be developmental football where kids
are going to be paying to play in these tournaments,
much like the AAU structure. The problems that I see
are it's all dime defense where the middle linebacker is
a corner, and it's all coverages that are really strong
coverages that you're probably not going to get away with
on a Friday night too often. Now for quarterbacks, I

(35:28):
like that, Hey, throwing to someone who's just you know,
snapping open is thrown to someone who's just snapping open, okay,
And there's something for the quarterbacks and receivers, I guess.
So I wish that the kids were playing more with
their high school coaches and in their high school offense
and their high school structure.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
The All Star feel of it is you have kids
learning new systems and they might always get to practice
with the same guys, and some kids are flown in
just for the tournament, and you know it's not exactly
is developmental as you would think would be. I mean, I,
for I have a younger kid, so I took a
real developmental aspect to it, like let's learn about this stuff.

(36:07):
Where there's a there's an All star you know, dream
team aspect to it also, so uh, I think in
that as we get closer to June, the high school
teams will all sync up with their own teams and
you'll see the high school seven on seven's you know
where you're playing, uh lisal versus Mole or not an
All star team from Southwest Ohio versus the Northeast Ohio

(36:30):
All Star team.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
So Mark, it's it's it's it's in its wild wild
west forum right now.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
But there is some good and some bad. I can
tell that, you know, we you know, people out there
are excited about it, but probably some kinks we got
to work out. I think there's a lot of fifteen
yard penalties that aren't being called with tawning and a
lot of clips I see online where kids are pointing
and talking trash. For in a high school game, that's
your fifteen yard penalty and the coach you know, clamps

(36:57):
it down. Or right now with some of these AAU coaches,
they little let some of that fly and the refs
are letting fly, and you know, it becomes a brand
of football that becomes a little wwe more than you know,
a discipline structured football.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, Mark, For people who don't understand exactly what we're
talking about with seven on seven. There's literally leagues and
tournaments out there, whereas for the older listener people think
seven on seven okay, you know, like you said, Lasal
goes and meets up against Lakota West, and is your
high school team. Two weeks ago, on a Saturday morning,
Martin and I rolled into Lasal's parking lot. We had

(37:34):
a staff meeting in the eight o'clock a football staff meeting.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
The parking lot was packed at eight am, and I'm like,
what in the hell is going on out here?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
And I start looking at license plates. I saw Illinois,
I saw Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I saw twelve U Mark it was twelve you yeah,
it was fifth and sixth grade.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
And I'm like, I'm like, it's March fifteenth, Like, what
the hell are these people doing right now traveling to
play a game at I mean, I'm not a geography major,
but if you're coming from Minnesota, that's a good ten
to twelve hour drive.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
And there's all these cars in the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I don't know, maybe all old school, and maybe I'm
sitting here thinking it's baseball season, it's a cross season.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I don't know, but man.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Like the assistant ad was up there and I was like,
I kind of gave him one of these and he
was like, well, they called us up with an ungodly
amount of money. The rent of the field in the
stadium for seven hours on a Saturday.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Hell yeah, bring it, Okay, let's do it. Really but
it was interesting.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I mean, you see these kids out there, and you
see the coaches, and they all got their matching uniforms
and their tights, and.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
They got more flair and more flash.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And I mean, if if I'm running a sporting goods store,
I'm bringing a trailer and I'm parking it right in
front of the gate, and I'm selling wristbands and headbands
and shoe bands and every band you could possibly think of,
because you're gonna you're gonna become rich on these kids.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
And it's I don't know, it's.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm guilty as charged.
Where my kids and you know what, and it's everybody's kids,
But I'm gonna go through my eyes. But we all
have kids that have played AAU tournaments, and we've all
had kids, whether it's soccer, girls, softball. That industry is booming.
My kids had a really great flag football league here

(39:24):
in town yy FFA, and the league president, Elliott Giles,
was a trestle wide receiver in the Hall of Fame
of Youngstown State, so he has some credibility. And he
put together all star teams. And we've traveled to Vegas
and Orlando and Tampa and Rhode Island and Boston and
Michigan and Pennsylvania and New York. I mean all summer long.

(39:44):
We do two or three tournaments through their whole youth
and exactly what you're saying, it's a little bit of
a circus.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
The perspective of the parent is so important. Where I
tried to preach everyone I was with this is develop
and this is like our summer vacation where our kid
can go with his friends and after games we go
to the beach and do go karts and you know,
you kind of make it where the football is just
the three or four hours in the morning, and you know,
you do that for two days, but there's all also

(40:13):
a couple of days of fun. Now that's my cop
out because a lot of people are there for blood
and they're there to win, right and they're there because
they think that if they win, some college coach may
hear about their ten year old and it may lead
to a scholarship. Or if they dominated ten years old,
that is prelude to them dominating at twenty three years old.

(40:35):
And you know, what they're seeing now is just a
preview of what we're all going to see when they're
playing for Penn State. So that attitude clashes with you know,
development and fun. And whenever we've won some national championships,
we've had some bad days. There's a lot of lessons
in there, a lot of development. But the circuit has

(40:57):
come to town. And you said it, the uniforms and
the other things, you know, and you know what, we
were trying to go to nice places where there was
a beach. I know, the sALS great and everything, but
I wouldn't want to send my weekend it was out,
you know, I don't know if there's a beach for lake.
I mean King's Islands not too far. Maybe you could
get over there and have some fun. There's that's usually

(41:20):
like a hot spot like that that makes the trip
worth absolutely.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Pat Pat's got a really nice yard. You could put
a nice slip and slide in the Pat's backyard.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Down the hillside. You know you could, you could do that.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
And I think we are all in that position. We're
all parents. We're all trying to do what's best for
our kid, and like everyone sit there and says, hey,
would you spend X amount of dollars to make your
kid that much more noticeable, that much more Yay, this
is good. This bat's gonna make all the difference. This
glove is gonna make all the difference. Hey, And we
get everybody is going to do that. And so the
business that is there, the market that is there for
to improve your your your son's opportunity to play. And

(41:54):
I guess Mark, this is my question. Has nil affected
the business at all because of what is going on
with high school recruiting and more people taking the you know,
the college sophomore instead of the high school junior or senior.
Has it affected the business at all?

Speaker 5 (42:12):
You know, at the end of the day, all those
kids that they're taking from other schools and taken from
June Juco's, they all came from high school. So you're
never going to circumvent pulling the kids from their roots. Now,
the COVID bubble and the extra year that I think
hurt the numbers for high school kids more than anything

(42:32):
else where. I track that stuff, and usually about one
hundred and thirty five kids in Ohio go FBSD one.
But during those COVID years it did drop down to
like eighty. Now the past couple of years were back
to normal, So I think we can get away from
saying that, you know, the nil and the transfer portals
affecting kids, because there's still eighty five scholarships for every team.

(42:55):
Even if it's a game of musical chairs and a
bunch of the older kids switched sheet switch seats, there's
still twenty thirty. You know, newcomers from high school coming
up to all these teams. Some teams can take fifteen,
but other teams can take thirty. So the high school
number should be the same. And the good news is
everything works out the way it should at the end

(43:16):
of the day. Where if you were a kid that
ended up at Ohio Dominican or as Echelind or Tiffin,
go dominate that conference for a year and be the
player of the year or be first team All Conference.
And I can guarantee what's coming. Go be the MAC
Freshman of the Year. Sure you're gonna be in the
Big ten. Yeah, you're gonna write your own check the
next year, where that wasn't the case for many years.

(43:38):
You know, Big Ben played in the MAC and all
these great players, their whole career was in the MAC,
where those guys now would definitely get there. In the
same thing, if you don't produce, you go to a
big school and you're not a producer, your third fourth string,
you're hitting the eject button. Yep. You're back down to
the Tiffin or the Hio Dominican and you're playing there

(43:59):
and you're going to get your righteous you know, outcome
of what should have happened. Uh, it's not a smooth process.
It's a little bumpy and awkward, but that seems to
be you know, in my heart or hearts. I can
pretty much tell kids, guys, you're gonna end up where
you belong one way or the other. So, yeah, it's
very healthy, Mark, it's a pretty healthy perspective. Mark.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, Mark, Mark.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know, you talk about the MAC and I always
kind of you know, if if you liking it to
college basketball and you're talking about majors and mid majors,
I think most people would agree that MAC is like
a mid major level.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Have you seen or do you project a A I
don't want to say this a decrease in signings of
players to the MAC level coming out of high school
because what I'm saying is like, are are they going
to like you're you're saying that they're going to end
up where they belong? Is a kid who's a player
of the Year at Tiffin going to go to Bowling

(44:55):
Green or a kid who's just not good enough at
Michigan State going to go down to Bowling Green?

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Do you think the MAC?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Because here's what I'll say, pat Son. I'm gonna use
pat Son as an example. I've done this for a
long long time. Pat Son is a MAC caliber player,
but did not get any any real MAC offers when
he should have coming out of his junior year going
into his senior year. And I just think from my perspective,
I think it's because of what I just said of
players going up and down. Do you see that as

(45:24):
a trend or am I just imagining that? Are they
waiting till the point?

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Yeah? Yeah, that's a little bit. That's what the MAC
is right now is it's the ree Tread League and
what in Youngstown State. It's a better example. If there's
one hundred and thirty five kids going D one and
Youngstown State was FCS, so technically they would probably get
one hundred and thirty sixth best player, the one hundred
and thirty seventh best player. They couldn't beat the MAC schools. Well,

(45:51):
when we were only sending maybe eighty kids to college,
they were now picking at eighty one in eighty two
because so many portal players were going places. They were
getting a better quality high school kid than they've ever
got before, because oh, these schools aren't taking high school kids.
And like my original statement was, all these great players

(46:13):
they came from high school. So you know, you can't
just ignore them and say, oh, we're not going to
recruit high school anymore. Someone is taking those kids and
they're getting a better quality player. So I think the
MAC is getting a better quality high school kid if
they can stick, stick with them and develop them, hide them.
And you're seeing the other and we're coaches want and

(46:37):
don't want to put out the preseason All American Team
because they don't want their kids to be evaluated and
picked apart before they you know, can really get some
benefit out of them. So you're right, there's and there's
no way to quantify this. It's just it's a it's
a school by school and a staff by staff type thing.
Like we're at Kent State. We may need to take,

(46:57):
you know, a bunch of college ready players, and we
really can't gamble on high school guys that we need
to develop. And there may be other schools that are
satisfied with their starters and they say, let's keep taking
these young guys because we have a few years to
develop them. So it's case by case, but at the
end of the day, things should work out.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, what's your take on historically? And I followed this
for a long time too. These colleges that I'm going
to use two as an example that come to mind.
Toledo in Illinois, they offer everybody in the country. It
seems like they have more offers, and there's websites to
track how many offers are out there, and you're probably
one of them.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
But they they offer everybody, and.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
It's almost like throwing the spaghetti at the wall and
see what sticks.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
In the whole concept of a committable offer.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Can you talk a little bit about that, because I
don't think a lot of people understand Okay, hey, I
got this offer, but is it a committable offer? Really?

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Love?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
And then you got pat That's what I'm.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Here for, man, come on, you know long enough so
but then you got others schools who they're really selective
on how many offers they put out, So can explain
that a little bit.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Yeah, it's really a gray area that you know, truly
is tricky to explain without exposing secrets and hitting ideas,
which I'll kind of give you what's going on there
is Sometimes a kid won't come to your camp for
you really to evaluate them unless he has an offer,
and you kind of have to offer him and say okay,

(48:29):
and you kind of put like a contingency in it,
but no one really repeats it. Like, hey, if you
come here and run that four to six, you say
you can, this offer is good. But if you come
there and you run a four to eight, this offer
is no good anymore. You understand that, right, and the
kids are like, Okay, I'm gonna run my four to six.
I have the offer. It's contingent on what you know.
And the same thing with you know, there's other contingencies

(48:50):
that your GPA needs to be right. I think one
of the biggest bogus offers out there is when colleges
will offer kids that are under a two point five
or under whatever, where they know that kid's never going
to get into school, but they'll do it but to
entice him to get good grades, or because they know
he'll never make it. Hey, we'll throw it out there
to you know, make you guys happy, but we know

(49:12):
you're never gonna get in here, so you're never gonna
be able to, you know, cash in on it now.
The other thing some of these schools do is to
heat people up and say, hey, at the quarter position
quarterback position, we're only taking one, but we've offered eight.
And usually the eight they offer are really good and
they almost kind of heat them all up, or hey,
the first one commit gets it. The rest of you

(49:33):
you're out to you know, see or whatever, and that
usually gets someone to pop and jump on the offer.
They usually do that with younger kids. And if you
think about it from maybe a max full perspective, and
you know, maybe it's Toledo. If you are for a
sophomore that you think are going to be an Ohio
State kid in a year or two. That kid doesn't

(49:53):
usually know that that he's going to be that scene
in that you know light in a few years. If
you get him to commit early, he might have just
stolen where. He may commit to you as a sophomore
because he thinks that you know, offer is not going
to be there, and he may be way better than
you do because he never got fully through the process
to be evaluated, you know where. Sometimes a couple year

(50:14):
later you lose them because someone else says, hey, that
kid's way too good for that mask. How did they
get him, Oh, he committed as a sophomore. They heeded
him up early, and the parents got afraid, and you
know whoever they they jumped all over, which is very understandable.
There's a lot of schools that coaches will do favors for,
you know, so like a moler is very credible, and

(50:35):
if the coach there says, I have a young guy
that's really good, they'll offer him, you know, and they'll
put an offer out really early, and those offers start
to add up. And the thing you have to pay attention.
So if you're a kid with one of them from
a school that has a bunch out there, is how
many kids have committed in my position because at a
certain point, once they take a quarterback, every other quarterback

(50:56):
offers and they'll avoid once they get three or four linemen,
the other twenty five linemen all on void. So it
is sort of a weird game and it's a kind
of a cat and mouse thing of why they're doing it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Mark, is there a person? Is there a player that
sticks out? What's can you hear me? Is there a
player that sticks out? Is there a player that sticks
out in your twenty years of experience that you sat
there and you felt like you knew this player is
going to be a ball or wait till this guy
steps up and maybe a hitting gem that you knew
about in your back pocket that you couldn't wait to
get to the next level and you saw him explode.

(51:32):
Was there a player that you kind of thought that
you knew about his talents before anybody else?

Speaker 5 (51:39):
You know, I get that a lot, and I think
I change answers or whatever. But Marshaun and Lattimore for
Glenville was a kid early on that was like, oh
my gosh, you know, like where is this kid gonna
end up? And he certainly was like a lockdown corner
in the NFL and at the tip of the spirit
in the NFL for a couple of years, I think,
before injuries got him. But there's also been players the

(52:02):
other way where I saw a player at Union local,
Colt mckibbitts, when he was a young player, and he
was an awkward six', five probably two hundred and twenty pound,
kid AND i left THINKING i wasted my time driving
down there to watch him. Play he went on To
West virginia and he's been an offensive tackle for The
niners for, like you, know seven or eight years. Now

(52:24):
so that goes both. Way and that's WHY i kind
Of i'm so pragmatic about rankings and this, process and
you really don't ever, know even when you think you.
Know there's that great scene From moneyball where you know
they he tells, That, Scott i've seen you tell people
you know and you don't. Know AND i really took
that the heart doing. This whereas with the Information i'm given,

(52:48):
TODAY i can make the best decision with that, information
but every reserve right to change my mind six months
from now or a year from, now because life happens
to these, kids and you, know some the work, ethic the,
grades the. Girlfriends so many things come into play that
it's not as cut and dry as just ranking kids

(53:08):
and giving them stars when they're sixteen years.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Old, yeah all, RIGHT i got to ask the question
mark BECAUSE i know our listeners are going on. Here
but if you, tell if you want to tell me
to f, OFF i totally, understand BECAUSE i don't think
it's a fair quot. Question all, Right, Cincinnati, Columbus, cleveland.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Who's got the deepest talent pool our listeners want to?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Know and it's not a fit air question BECAUSE i
don't think you can answer, it BUT i want to
give you a chance to tell me to f.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Off, no it's it's such a simple. Answer it's not
going to satisfy your, uh your craving for, like, hey
this is the best. Area it's population, drived you, Know
like we're up here In youngstown and we don't have
A DIVISION i school in the entire, area and we
only have Two division two schools And youngstown used to
be a powerhouse of producing. Town on the population In

(53:58):
cleveland isn't nearly what it is In columbus For, Cincinnati
so It's columbus For. Cincinnati based on, population and then
year in and year, out you'll have the team that
just stands out like a sore thumb that could beat up,
everybody and then that area, claims you, know the, best
and the next year it's somewhere. Else So i'm not bailing.

(54:18):
Out and there's no like clear trend Where cincinnati always
has like Ten power five guys And columbus only has
three or. Four that number flip, flops you, know back and.
Forth But columbus And cincinnati are by far the two
towns that provide the most. Punch and it's because they
have so Many division one, schools and not Just division one,

(54:40):
schools but powerhouses where football's, important cultures, important traditions. Important
those things really add. Up so, yeah and there's a
ton of respect For.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
CINCINNATI i know this this might be a little bit off,
topic but there's rumors from down here it might be
more relevant up there that The catholic schools are starting
like THE, ocac The Ohio catholic something conference With Saint,
Vincent Saint.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Mary's uh that would be that would be athletic. Conference
that's that's what THE ac stands.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
For oh my, bass that wouldn't make sense with.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
IT i know you need some.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Help thought it might just be a football only conference.
TOO i wasn't sure if it was across all. Sports
but there's rumors about an eight team conference Between Saint
francis The, sales And Columbus Youngstown, Cardle Mooney urstline all
forming an. Alliance is there any truth to that or
is that just all.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Rumor there's truth to, it BUT i don't know if
it's fully come, together because that's like hurting, cats you know.
THAT i think they all want to do, it and
they need to do it because they all have trouble.
Scheduling you. KNOW i think you may feel, like at
least In, Youngstown mooney And ursuline have trouble getting people
on par with them and no one wants to go

(55:56):
take a butt, whip and so they don't schedule it as.
Easy so it'll be nice if you had some natural.
Partners you, know it makes a lot of. Sense but
in high, school that travel time REALLY i think freaks
out the parents and sometimes the coaches were do we
really want a three hour bus ride after? School and you,
know go play a game when we're kinda not our

(56:17):
freshnest best. Self it may provide an advantage to home.
Teams it's definitely been talked, about AND i actually heard
recently that it may fall, apart but they also heard,
that like you're, saying it could come together and solve
a few. Problems so UNTIL i guess we all see,
it it's like the you, Know bigfoot isn't really out.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
There. Yeah, yeah parents are traveling. ANYWAY i, mean you're
going To, louisville you're going To, Indianapolis you're traveling, Anyway
so it doesn't matter we're going To, youngstown which is
maybe forty five minutes a long, farther and it's in our.
League they'll do.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
It.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
YEAH i don't think that that THAT'S i, MEAN i,
MEAN i, mean that's the everybody's facing that problem scheduling
with those those, tough those tough, teams unless you're in
an eight nine ten team.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
League, yeah the question, becomes the problem becomes if if
it's only, football then that's okay because you only play
once a week and it's on A friday. Night, true
the problem the problem becomes when it's A tuesday night
and it's.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
For A jv baseball.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Game you, Know like that goes back to the old
days of THE, gmc When Lima senior was in THE
gmc and you had you Had hamilton And fairfield and
all the schools of THE gmc prince they went every
name them and they had to drive To lima for
A jv volleyball match on A tuesday.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
NIGHT i, mean that's that's a different.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Animal, yeah that was football speaking only. Correct, yeah, yeah yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Mark let me ask you, This, okay In, OHIO i
think one of the hidden gems Is division two college.
Football can you talk a little bit about it and
the opportunities they're, available because you, know, everybody everybody looks,
okay you Got Ohio, state and.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Then you got THE, mac and we talked a lot
about THE, mac and.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Then there's a ton OF d three schools with THE.
Oac BUT i think one of the levels that goes
was kind of, unspoken a hidden a little bit is
the quality of football in The Great Lakes Valley conference
in Those division two.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Schools.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
UH i WISH i could like play some clips from
Some division two coaches that have talked to me about
this where they are so quick to point out the
transfer backs they are getting and the quality players they're
getting from a lot of these other, schools and it
might not be the Entire ashland roster Or finlay, Roster,
Tende tiff and roster that Has division one, talent BUT

(58:34):
i can guarantee and that earning twenty two there's at
least fifty sixty percent that could go play FOR max
schools or better maybe playing The big. Ten SO i
and this is coming from a guy who played in
THE maac twenty thirty years. AGO i think the level
of ball At division two right now IS mac level
from ten to fifteen years, ago where, wow they are catching,

(58:55):
up and it's because of the. FACILITIES i, mean there
are indoor facilities in those. Conferences now we had a
seven on seven At ashland's indoor facility and it's as
nice as you KNOW mac. FACILITIES i, mean so the
money that's going into those programs is being really used
wisely to bring football. Forward Uh and, again go to
dominate for a year In division two and you're gonna

(59:18):
get rewarded for it because people have respect for what
you just. Dominated it's not an cake league or like
what people may think WHERE i think there's too much
of THIS d one or bust mentality for a lot
of people and they don't understand the opportunities that are
available at a lot of other. Places AND i tell you,
What uh go watch A d three football game that

(59:39):
guard maybe five eleven or five, ten but you may
lock your socks off and at that. Receiver red receiver
may only be five, nine one sixty, five but he
freaking flies and.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
They might Be pierre Gar he might Be Pierre, garson
right like you just don't.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Know SO i mean it's people mistake. That, okay the
starters on those teams what funnels to the starting lineup
with some quality football and you got to put some
respect on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
It Mark southwest? Area who is who are some of
the up and? COVERS i know we've already talked, about you,
know a blue chip Of Matt. Onotowski who are some
of the other people that you're watching in The southwest.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
AREA i knew we would get to, that SO i
kind of tried to pull up a list AND i
AND i don't know how many gating area.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
That we're kind of teasing, you just Like i'm glad
that you're kind of talking about like the scene behind the,
scenes so our cameras could maybe turn it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Off jews is legit for. Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Yeah and from a guy from Northeast East, Ohio i'm
not sure where the categorization of South West ohio. Ends,
again sometimes do you do you Include Hubert Heights, wayne
and like that's a whole group of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Town is absolutely we have a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Couple we have a couple of listeners pretty much from
LIKE i seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
South, Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
And SOMETIMES i, think you, know it's like ONCE i
go past like The lakota in that middle area that
that kind of divides the. Two so as a, SCOUT
i kind of divided up a little there, first IF
i do anything you. Want Jamiir brown At Hubert Heights
wayne is as special as a receiver As i've, seen you,
know with the like Borderline olympic speed at a young.
Age he really is. Good Jacob, clapper the linebacker At SAINT,

(01:01:19):
x has as many offers as. Anybody. Yeah, Yeah Landon
myrie the tight end At. Princeton and there's no order
to these. Guys i'm just kind of going. Off SO
i think might be by School Trotwood madison With JaMarcus
whish and his younger brother and this there's gonna be
More troutwood Guys Jalen mercer And Winton woods class the
two twenty seven defensive end linebacker and In Winton, WOODS i,

(01:01:44):
mean how many kids are out of there right? Now
tons of. Them I'm Damn thomas The Lakota. West uh
tell you. What anderson has a couple of young. GUYS
i think one of them was just offered By Ohio state.
Yesterday The higgins. KID i believe In higgins uh taft is.
LOADED i Like Daniel volmer At saint X. Now Sean

(01:02:05):
alston is one of the kids At. Anderson patrick O'Brien
is a big offensive lineman and down At. Moore you
know he's six seven listed AT i, mean.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Any names on guys you only have to play against next, year?

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Please, YEAH i say some of you, Guys i'm sure
you have missed the emotions when you see it's, like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
OH i love.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
It, no that's not. MAN i love.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
It Mark madden it With. Row they've got a handful of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Kids another, guy we got to play it next.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Year another, guy we got to play it next.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
Year, derek you're you're in an. Elder the other, guy
we got to play it next.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Year good good.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Family. Yeah the quarterback of when when was. Bright Shawn
brown has come a long way and at six five six,
six he's going to be someone people have to. Do
that's ALL i. Mean, Yeah Indian Hill devil And daniel
is a kid THAT i just watched a month or
so ago that's starting to pick up some. Offers uh,
WELL i MEAN i have probably seventy kids here list

(01:02:59):
OF i, MEAN i could go on all. Day i'm
sure all these kids would love to hear their, names
but those are power five type. Kids AND i didn't
even THINK i Listed Matt. Ponatowski he's the you, know
one of the best players in the. State and, boy
IF i just talk about him for a, second he
can rip the, ball.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
He can like and.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Yeah And i'll try to give an example of something
that's unique about him IS i saw him. Play they
threw a very standard bubble screen and it hit for
a touchdown for. Seven. Yeah and What i'm gonna get
to is the snap was back there so. Quick his
operation time is so, quick his fluid motion is so,
quick and the ball is so. Quick i'm gonna guess

(01:03:42):
that it got there a half second to maybe a
second sooner than a lot of quarterbacks would get that out?
There what the right? Placement where the now that the
receiver got it so much quicker he hit? It were the? Blocks,
yeah we're setting up at the perfect, time and you
see ball screens and blown up all the time because
the ball's floating out there the operation times garbage and

(01:04:05):
kids are defeating blocks and on their way in by
the time the ball's getting. There so it's a nuance
like that That why is a quarterback like that so? Special?
Now what makes it even more? Special as that play
got called, back they ran the exact same play, again
it went for like forty five yards were a bubble
screen almost becomes routine and unstoppable when it's executed at

(01:04:26):
that high of a. Level and that's just a very basic,
throw not to mention the missiles he's firing other.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Places, Yeah, mark you've done this for a long time
and you've seen a lot of. Guys two, questions.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Where does He where does he rank amongst the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Guys you've evaluated over the, Years and where do you see?
Him where do you project? Him because what people don't
understand is he's he's a top round draftable baseball guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Too so in your heart of. Hearts where do you see?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Him not that you can look int your, crystal but
if you, could what do you think he's gonna end up?

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
DOING i, mean so you have guys Like Mitchell trubisky
And Joe burrow and Even Deshaun KAISER nfl quarterbacks just
looking through this list a little bit to kind of
see who stands. Out but so when you say, it
even Tav In Saint clair going To Ohio state last,
Year ponatowski doesn't have that physical six' five frame that

(01:05:26):
like jumps off. The tape if that kid's walking through,
the mall does anybody know he? PLAYS football, i mean
he's got the young baby face and, he's real, you. Know,
polite yeah he fits in with every other kid at.
The mall but you you watch him play and he
fits in with these other specimens LIKE that i just kind.
Of mentioned there were his throwing ability in the spin

(01:05:49):
on his ball and the rkcams are second to none
because of that. Baseball arm you know that that that
that arm. Is live it's as live as. Any Arm
ohio state has a quarterback, Right now, julian SAYING and
I think ponatoski's hut from that, same mold even A
brock party type of mold where you know that he
might be on a better pace Than a brock party

(01:06:10):
where it's such a precision passer out of a normal,
sized frame which six to two. Six' one he's the got,
some hype but he's never gonna walk in the room
and everyone's gonna say there's a starting quarterback of you know,
whatever team, so uh throwing Him with i'm trying to
look for a comparison in here that kind, of fits,

(01:06:31):
You know it's. IT'S hard i DON'T think i have my,
most recent like all time quarterback list. Up here, just
yeah well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
That's good that's that's a pretty, strong list especially From,
the southwest and we, you know it's it's, you know
player dominated a lot of you. Know coaches, as coaches
we all coach the high. School football a lot of
times we talk about the x's, and o's but it's
not necessarily the x's and. The o's it's the It's
the jimmy's And. The joe's so it's awesome that you're
out there giving him a giving them a. Strong rating

(01:07:01):
and now we come to the fun part of our,
our segment which we like to call our nine for
Ninety and martin's gonna lead us down this fun, Little,
journey mark where you're gonna weigh into some of the
more tougher Questions that mark can come, up with at
least in the last. Three minutes so we Apologize. For,
mark yes so we apologize for where. This Goes, So, mark.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Yeah this is just a fun, Little. Segment marky i'll,
Be honest i'm really good at asking. Stupid questions it's
one of The things i'm. Gifted with it's sort of
like a, you know the way an artist works with canvas.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And paint That's how that's how We get he evaluates bank,
loans too he asked.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Stupid, questions yes totally, all right right out of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
The gate.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Jeans, are khakis which were. More comfortable i'm not a.
JEANS guy i, like them but they're just not comfortable khakis.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Or jeans you know it's because you haven't got these
new STRETCHY yes i are. Out there. They're, sweatpants yeah the.
Stretchy jeans the stretchy jeans are definitely different than the
old school leaves taking notes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
LOVE it i gotta get myself a pair of those.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
All right you're at the, concession stands your favorite high.
School stadium you're a soft. Pretzel guy are you going
for the? Hot dog.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
It goes for the?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Hot.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
DOG yeah i feel like that's a more daring decision
sometimes because there's been a few ride Homes where, i've
said shouldn't have got that? Hot, Dog YEAH and i
don't think the prets will ever do that. To you
but you go, to enough you go to enough, concession
stands you'll run into a bad. Hot DOG but i
always go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Hot dog you don't go, ketch up you, Go, MUSTARD
right i mean You're not we're, Not toddlers we're not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Called.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Ketchup hey while we're on the topic of high, school
games are you typically one game? A night are you
going into an area and you're going to try to catch?

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Multiple games how? Are you how are you? Attacking?

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
This yeah so me picking my weekend is Like rain
man in, the Casino where i'm trying to find a
game where there's only twenty minute drive to, another game
so AT halftime i can go to. Another game So
on THURSDAY nights i try to get. Four, teams saturday
during The day i'm Hitting Like Akron city League Or Dayton,

(01:09:17):
city league and it builds up into like is there
a six? O'clock game is there a seven? O'clock game
AND then i get Two on, saturday night and then
Of course i'll get Two on. Friday nights so it
gives my reach of ten weeks or fifteen weeks a
lot more players under. The bell AND again i just
want to stand next to some. OF them, I mean,
I like i'm not gonna give anyone a final grade

(01:09:38):
ON what i saw in two quarters because the variance
is just. Too high i'll catch someone who will off
six catches and, a Half and i'll catch someone where
a ball doesn't get thrown. Their DIRECTION so i try
to be fair.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
With, that okay, all right, next question we're gonna stay
In the we're gonna stay in the food topic for.
A moment favorite. International cuisine if you're eating out of the,
rest front Not consider. American food you Go, In, Chinese,
indian italian. International cuisine, eating, out.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Boy getting on food with me Is really i'm as
picky as like a six. Year OLD if i DON'T
if i ordered off the kids menu at, Every restaurant
like as soon as you Said international, I'M like i
don't even know what. International means did they have chicken?
Fingers there you did bail me out with SPAGHETTI because
i would do spaghetti and? Meat bowles, so yeah if

(01:10:30):
you're Gonna consider italian, in, THERE yeah i bail out.
With PIZZA but i am my wife has to go
to all those places you mentioned with her friends because
that's Not where. I'm headed, Sor right Spotify.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Or pandora what are we listening?

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
To? Anyway? YouTube yeah YouTube music IS where. I, WENT
yeah i do want to. Membership, there yeah it's. Serious,
radio yeah if you're in the, car lot do you recommend?
ANY podcasts i you KNOW what i just told my?
Kids TODAY did i listen to a lot Of those.
DATELINE NBC's i listened to a lot of the Roasts
From comedy central and back in, THE day i listen to.

(01:11:07):
OF medians i have. Different phases we're all listening to
live concerts on, you know, YouTube music where if you're
a nineties guy you can go back and see all kinds.
Of CONCERTS and i really acoustics shows when you're in
the car as MUCH as i am driving there entertainment

(01:11:28):
system of different things to get in phone calls and
catching up with, you. Know coaches, But yeah I'M surprised
i have the two you mentioned or TWO that i haven't,
gone TO because I think i have them in so
many different forms with The stuff i'm. Already Doing, Good
stark what?

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Are we what are? We driving what kind of car we?
Whipping in what?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
We?

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
GOT yeah i drive An old tahoe for all. The
games drive something that when you park in as many
parking LOTS as, i do and you know you're gonna,
get dinged that you don't walk out to the car
and mad you. Get dinged, You KNOW like i have
learned my Lesson, with yeah, the MILES and i probably
shouldn't drive a truck with all the MILES that. I do,

(01:12:08):
but uh being a bigger guy, and safety you know
you're driving somebody you do. Get tagged you want to
be in something that'll that'll keep, YOU alive.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
I hope, All right next, Stupid, Question mundane but, you,
know travel what's your favorite place? To vacation or, you
know if you had a gun to your head and
you're in the witness relocation program he had to move
for a year with, a wife where would you pick
to spend.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
THAT time, i think like anybody on the water or
on a golf course something, like that that's something where
you can hide and, you know have your hobbies nearby
where you wouldn't be locked down into a house. Witness
protection that's a great question of like would? Go there specify?

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Would you would you if you're going to, do that
would you go south or would you? Go west like
would you rather Be in florida Or like Arizona?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Or colorado, YOU know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
I Don't i You're Like north Carolina On lake norman
seems to be the best of. All worlds it doesn't
get too, hot hot it doesn't get. Too cold you
get that that nice lake. Down THERE and i had
some friends Down In north carolina line. Of that they
got me oriented with that area and. Some family so
that makes it a real with the golf courses and

(01:13:19):
lake in.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
The, Boat yeah I'm more i'd like the lake light
more than the beach life.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
For.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
Sure, YEAH yeah i mean it's gonna. Get you If,
it's january you want to. Go south if it's, You,
know july you know you don't want to be anywhere
near some of. Those places.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
All right, two more this is an. Easy one i'm
shopping for lazy boys right Now because i'm not happy
with my my. Chair. Situation right but if you're gonna
hunker down for five hours On a saturday and watch football,
all day are you in a recliner or are you
going to get a? Comfy couch where'd you rather be
where you can stretch out of the couch or you
want your feetback and hit that leather big brown? Or
recliner WHAT should i?

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Go?

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
WITH yeah i, have BOTH and I think i find
myself in the recliner more BECAUSE once i go what
horizontal in, the couch there's no more football.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Being watched, all right this is the, toughest question and
you can go back and forth, on this but give
us give Us Your Ohio Sports. Mount rushmore you got
a name Four, from, Ohio right the Obvious is lebron
because you Know. He's lebron he maybe the greatest ever in.
That sport i'm gonna give you that one as. A

(01:14:25):
layup you cannot even pick him if you don't. Want
to but give Us Your Ohio.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
Mount, rushmore boy That's really THAT'S how. I mean i'm
drawing a blank because that palette is so Big and
i'm so buck nuts ORIENTED where i can only Think
Of ohio state players, right NOW because I think i've
been brainwashed to think if they Go To notre Dame Or,
penn state they're sort. Of Dead to Ohio or michigan.

(01:14:49):
Or whatever fair the four best with the circle and
to strike through anybody, THAT yeah i Mean. IN youngstown
I Mean maurice Brette And corey stringer were the first
couple of guys that come. To mind is, You know.
Buckeye favorites, AND uh i mean it's almost UNFAIR when

(01:15:09):
i get that QUESTION because i can only, do, football, like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Yeah we Should Put jack nicholas.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
In there, oh, YEAH yeah I mean i would have
To put jack, in, There Right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Hey, martin martin why don't you just give Him Your?
Mount rushmore?

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
ALL right i mean you already have. TO there i
Wouldn't done jack nicholess coming JUST because. I would, i
mean this is a tough QUESTION where i would HAVE
had i would have had to have known this before
the podcast to Sound as dallas, in here because not
even Sound like i've. Been, drinking martin go ahead and
Mention Mentioned. Paul brown Go Put paul brown. In there
now you're up to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
Three there in, THIS question I, HAD lebron I, HAD
jack I Had, Jesse Owens, Pete Rose Ken.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Griffy Jr pete rose was.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Written down would You Put jason kelce? In?

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
There?

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
OH wow I mean I thought travis had a better than, You. Know,
JASON yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
I mean both.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
Of, THEM yeah i mean maybe more of. A household
and that, might yeah it might just be Dissing, offensive
LINEMAN because I know, jason was, you know one of
the best of this thing for. A While but travis
is the. Home run, you know that's a great that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Great.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Question UH and i always get beat up by those
questions because, you know it's like Picking The miss america
that's blonde or brunette and they both want to go out.
WITH you, i, mean really can you? Be wrong so
it's really it's.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
REALLY tough, i mean You Got, orlando pace you could
throw him. IN there, i mean you got all kinds of.
Crazy ones, So, Well, mark hey we appreciate. This man
this has.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Been awesome hopefully our listeners have gained a lot of knowledge,
from THIS because i just think from the recruiting standpoint
And when pat kicked it off about you, know what
what you would tell parents and potential potential.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Recruits themselves this has.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
BEEN awesome, i, mean YOU'RE like, i said, you know
introducing you're the guy as far as the, eminent voice
as far as being an expert in. This field and
it's a lot of things that, you know if if
you got one kid or you got two kids and
you've never been through, it before you. DON'T know, i
mean it's it's a. Different world so we really appreciate
having you on and Are now I'm gonna i'm gonna

(01:17:22):
take a. Step forward you got the combines. Coming up
what does that look like? For you i'm sure that
first Week of may when all the combines kind of
take off.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
And everything what does your travel schedule look like?

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
For, that yeah that you're talking About the, may showcases
which is the new trend for the past couple of
years where the colleges will go from high school to
high school and watch the kids work out for two Weeks.
IN may i pretty much go pick an area that
DAY and i go to every, single One so i'll Be.
In cincinnati, excuse, me UH but i think those have

(01:17:54):
been great for. The kids it's great for. The team
it's great for the town to see all those coaches
come in and then right after the same thing Happens
in june on the, college Campuses where i'll be somewhere
pretty much every Day in june watching kids work Out
For ohio State or Toledo or ken OR wherever, i
am and trying, to find, you know the next freshman

(01:18:14):
or SOPHOMORE that i don't. Know about, you know LIKE
if i can't get to somewhere on, you Know on,
FRIDAY night I hope i run across.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
The kid in, THE summer i was On. More, Kids,
well mark we. APPRECIATE it, i mean this has. Been
awesome i've been trying to get you on for a
WHILE and i don't know if you just looked at us,
and said there a bunch of SLAPTICKS and i don't
want to waste an hour with these guys. Or NOT
but i was finally able to halt till you Back
in december and get you and we worked it into.
Our schedule, and hey we haven't been the greatest that

(01:18:43):
it scheduling the pods, and everything but.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
We finally got.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
You on this has.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Been awesome we really.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Appreciate it real, Good dude Good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Get brett he's doing it. For reason there's a lot
of people out there that do that stuff for, you know,
for money, for ego for all the. Wrong reasons he's
seems like a good bad.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
But you KNOW what, i mean twenty years ago he
decided this is going to be. My livelihood this Is
what i'm going. To do, AND so, i mean we.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
All, have jobs and we all put effort into, our
jobs and we all get. A paycheck he's out there
hustling signing up the. College coaches he's signing up the high.
School coaches they pay a. Subscription, fee funny, You know,
and yeah it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
FUN job, i mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
What do you get? To do you get to look
at high school film. ALL day, i mean and he
doesn't charge. The players, to me that's that's key. Right there,
you know he doesn't charge.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
The players you go on to Scout in ohio dot
com and they create their, own profile and that profile's
out there and it's there for all the college coaches to.
Go see and so if somebody's not familiar, with it
if you click on, a pick pick. A Player martin
eisley class of twenty twenty seven at you know whatever.

(01:20:00):
High school you look, at it it's got all your information.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
You do you would be up?

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
How many how many series would you be able?

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
To give, Oh god i'd, be heard so i'd be.
First play i'd be hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Kidding, me no. You could you could get through the,
first series. Couldn't you it would have to be free.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
In it it would have to be, three out it
would be three.

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