July 14, 2025 • 31 mins
On this episode of Horror Movie Monday, Joe is joined by longtime friend and Cape Cod native David Paton to dive deep into the legendary 1975 thriller that made us all think twice about going in the water—Jaws.
Together, they break down the masterful suspense, the behind-the-scenes challenges of filming on the open ocean, and the infamous technical issues with "Bruce," the mechanical shark.
Plus, David and Joe share what it was like growing up on the Cape in the aftermath of the film’s cultural tidal wave, and how Jaws shaped both local lore and their own perspective on horror.
Whether you're a seasoned fin-fearing fan or watching for the first time, this is one ride you won’t want to miss.
Together, they break down the masterful suspense, the behind-the-scenes challenges of filming on the open ocean, and the infamous technical issues with "Bruce," the mechanical shark.
Plus, David and Joe share what it was like growing up on the Cape in the aftermath of the film’s cultural tidal wave, and how Jaws shaped both local lore and their own perspective on horror.
Whether you're a seasoned fin-fearing fan or watching for the first time, this is one ride you won’t want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Do the intro. This is your baby, man.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Okay, Well, I'm so used to you fucking doing that.
The killers were fucking demented.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Your paralyzed from the neck down because I didn't have
any duct tape or rope.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And then he sticks the guy's head and the mic awave.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Somebody tried to mess with his daughter and dad killed everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
If I'm putting the same shoes, I'm probably doing the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I wasn't gonna watch the Rago once.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm that's saying a lot, considering that he ended up
getting the film banded in the fucking New.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Cag fucking diabolical. Welcome back to another episode of Horror
Movie Monday with Tails, Trails and Tavern. So I've joined
at this special episode with my buddy Dave Patton from
a who grew up on the Cape with me, went
to high school together, and he lives in Tennessee. Now,
(01:04):
So Dave, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Man? Just living the dream man? So right now?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, So for this episode, since Jaws just reached its
fiftieth anniversary June twentieth, came out nineteen seventy five, we
decided to do Jaws and since you know, you also
lived on the Cape as a young man, figured out
you were a good one to come in. I know
you love movies as well, especially horror movies. Oh yeah, yeah.
(01:33):
First thing, man, I know you just watched the trailer.
So watching the trailer, man, what did you what did
you think about that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know, it brings back memories. I like how how
it was suspenseful without too much giveaway. I mean right,
literally literally, it's just like the first scene with Susan
back when when it's pulled into the water, and I
mean that right there is just enough to hook you. Like, dude,
(02:05):
I gotta see that movie.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Right, It's just so like it's so quintessentially seventies too,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it very much takes
you back to that time immediately, absolutely so. I mean
such a great, such an iconic horror movie Jaws was,
and yeah, even from the trailer, you could tell it
was going to be it was gonna be a hit.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, definitely, I bet I Cape Carter's probably like had
to see it too, you know, like it's filmed out.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
There right, knowing that it was filmed on Martha's vineyard
out in the water. Yeah, so in the summer of
nineteen seventy five, a film hit theaters that would change
movies and beaches forever. Jaws, directed by then twenty seven
year old Steven Spielberg, wasn't just a box office smash.
It was a cultural phenomenon that invented the concept of
the summer blockbuster. I mean, we all grew up with
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it being a smash hit anyways.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A yeah, yeah, that's the thing. That movie come out
before we were born, and I think even as a kid,
I must have watched it one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh. I mean it was when I was going through
high school and going through the film class, and even
even some of my other like the cartooning class with A. Sullivan.
It was talked about NonStop. Yeah, johns was always always
in there. Set in the quaint fictional beach town of
Amity Island, the story begins with a terrifying scene a
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young woman goes for midnight swim and never returns. Her
mangle remains washed ashore, and it's quickly determined that a
shark attack was the cause, but town officials, particularly the mayor,
are reluctant to close the beaches, afraid it will ruin
the Lucrative Summer Tourist season. I remember hearing a story
about that first scene when what was the actress's name,
I know, you know it line. Yeah, I remember hearing
(03:50):
a story about how when they went to shoot that
original scene, they had a camera underwater when they were
doing it, like either following her or from underneath or
something like that, and they filmed the whole thing of
her getting pulled back back and forth because they used,
you know, ropes and conventional stuff to kind of pull
her back and forth. And apparently all the shots all
you could see was there snatched the whole time, so
they couldn't use any of the underwater footage.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, they kind of dropped the ball there, so they
should just sent her in there and or underway, right.
He went full commando for that scene. You can still
kind of even in the trailer. It's funny, you say,
because in the trailer, you know it's. Yeah, I don't
want to sound like a pre Pubs in twelve year old.
You know, if you pause it just right, or if
you look hard enough, you can see it, you know
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what I mean. But you can see it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's funny. So enter Chief Martin Brody played by Roy Schneider. Yeah,
a city cop is still adjusting a small town life.
Brody is the first to push for closing the beaches,
but he's overruled by political pressure. It's a fateful decision,
and more attacks follow, each more gruesome than the last.
As fear spreads, the bounty is placed in the shark,
bringing amateur hunters to the island, resulting in chaos. But
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when a local fisherman named Quint, a grizzled World War
two veteran with a vendetta against sharks, offers to catch
the beast for a price, the town accepts. I love
his character too.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh yeah he is he you know, he's like the
quintessential old school cape cut fisherman too. Hi, Robert Shaw.
He's just a great actor. And I loved him in that.
I really did, Joe. They did. The town wouldn't accept
his offer until until the carnage, like they needed more
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carnage because the mayor, Murray Hamilton there just you know,
you know, wanted to like sweep it under the rug.
It's like, yeah, it's just a little boys, just some
girl on the beach, you know, it's let's open the beaches,
you know, you know, fourth of July. Carnage ensues, and
it's like, all right, let's hire Quint to kill Shock.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Now let's go after him. Yeah, now that all the people.
Now that people can get killed over and over.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Once the boy Scout leader gets eaten up in the pond,
as all right, more merit badges.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, So Brody Quinton marine biologists Matt Hooper played by
Richard Dreyfus, set out aboard the rickety boat Orca to
kill the hunt to hunt the killer, and what follows
is one of the most intense third acts in cinema history.
The trio faces mechanical failure, personal conflict, and of course,
the massive, terrifying shark, larger and more cunning than any
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of them expected. One of the most iconic moments happened
in the film happens when Brody, spotting the creature's side
so the first time, backs into the cabin and says,
you're gonna need a bigger boat.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I mean, how many times have you quoted this movie
line in your life?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh? Shoot, a thousands, even here in Nashville. I live
in Nashville, way near the ocean, and I still I'll
still quip that every now and then in sometime oddball.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Situation, right, there's some random.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, it never goes out of style.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I never has Now. As the shark relentlessly attacks the orca,
each man is pushed to his limits, Quin meets a
grizzly end, and just when all seems lost, Brody personally
the sinking mass of the boat, fires a rifle into
a pressurized air tank lodged in the shark's mouth. The
result the beast explodes in a bloody finale, and Brody
paddles back to shore, alive but forever changed. From John
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William's iconic two notes score to the minimalist horror forced
by a malfunctioning mechanical shark, Jaw succeeds on atmosphere tension,
atmosphere tension, and pacing. It wasn't just a monster movie.
It was a masterpiece in suspense. With a modest budget
of nine million and an endless series of production problems,
Spielberg turned what could have been a disaster into a
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defining moment in American cinema. Jaws grossed over four hundred
and seventy million worldwide and remained the highest grossing film
of all time until Star Wars. Took the crown two
years later, and that George Lucas Today, fifty years later,
Jaws remains a stable of horror, thriller and blockbuster history
and is the reason many people still won't go into
the water. What an awesome movie was, especially given everything
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about the shark and all kinds of other stuff that happened.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I love you know, I love how it was
scary without having to be scary, you know what I mean,
the defensive scary. I mean you get maybe thirty seconds
of complete shock visuals, you know what I mean, Yeah,
maybe a minute top, So you get to see Bruce
the shock I think. I think that's you see him
when he eats the boy scout guy in the pond,
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then he pops his nose up to sail, and then
in the end where where he's eating Quinton gets blown up.
I mean, that's about it, and the rest of the
movie is just it's brilliant how how he was able
to create that effect without, you know, with minimalization of
the shark, because like you said, they would have nothing
mechanical failure with it anyways.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Right, Yeah, So that brings up a couple of good
facts about the movie. The shark name was Bruce. On set,
the mechanical shark was nicknamed Bruce after Spielberg's lawyer. Bruce
was notoriously difficult to work with, constantly breaking down and
causing long delays in filming. So yeah, I think there's
another one on here that talks about how the original
budget was four million and it shot up to nine
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million over the course of the movie being shot because
of all the all the setbacks. Yeah, and then, like
you said, the shark was originally in the film much more.
Spielberg had originally planned for Bruce the shark to appear
on screen far more often, but due to technical issues,
he had to limit its appearances, which ended up increasing
suspense and fear, making the movie even more terrifying.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, he hit a home run doing it like that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I mean seriously, like he went from you know, imagine
what would have happened if the shark had been in
there more. You'd be like, Oh, it's just the shark.
It's still going.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, that's the thing. I mean, you know, at a glance,
if you've ever seen that shut like you know, like
if you like like after the movie was made, I mean,
it really does and looked like a great wete.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know, it seems like a mechanical shark exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I mean, and he moved so slight. I mean a
shacks move really fast. And like the scene, like I
keep going back to that scene in the pond with
the uh, the boy scout guy there, you know, the
shock slowly swims up and then turns his body sideways,
and it's like, dude, shocks don't do that. But to
say a tip, it's like it's still awesome, right, like
(10:27):
you was, Sam, It's it's it was great, great with
the shacks.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah. Another fact, the Indianapolis monologue was mostly improvised. So
Robert Shaw's haunting monologue about the sinking of the USS
Indianapolis was largely rewritten by Shaw himself and partially partly improvised,
adding martional depth and horror that wasn't originally in the scripts.
So again this goes back to Robert Shaw. How good
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of an actor he was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, that was brilliant acting on his part. And the
other thing about it is he was drunk and he
had a raging alcohol problem. I've heard that, yeah, And
I mean, you know, most of his scenes when they
shot him, he was inebriated, and I mean the way
he pulled himself together to to do you think he
was really there? I mean that was just just brilliant
(11:15):
method acting on his on his pad and uh, it's
it's believable. I mean, if I didn't know his you know,
his acting career and everything, I would have I was,
you know, I think he really was on the Indianapolis, right.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean it seems it sounds so real.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You tie in the uh, I mean the musical score
for that movie, which you know, like you said, it's
like two notes, but they they are just the sound
effects of everything that they tied into it. I mean,
it adds that little level of suspense that just makes
it so much more awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah. Yeah, that brings up another another fact about it.
John Williams score was nearly a joke. When composer John
Williams first played the iconic two note theme for Spielberg,
the director laughed, thinking it was a prank. Of course,
it later became one of the most famous pieces of
film and music history.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And another one that we all quote often. Oh yeah,
don't taught you get down to Craigville Beach, go skinny
dip them with one of the local girls in the
water stack out.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I know, it's so creepy to.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Man Veteran's beach where there's like literally no waves or anything.
The water's calm as splash you know, I'll bring it
right into your arms.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Voice tricks of the trade. Another fun fact, the mayor's
suit has anchors on it. Murray Hamilton, who played Mayor Vaughan,
wears a suit covered in small anchor designs. It became
a subtle symbol of how tied he was to the
town's economy and why he didn't want the beaches closed.
I mean that's I could see that. I don't remember
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that detector.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
He was another brilliant actor, notrri from playing a dickhead
though in most of his movies. Yeah, he was in
The Amityvilljarre a small part as a priest, and even
as a priest he was a denial. I don't want
to jump off jaws, but just like like when it
comes to to sidestepping or you know, down playing Murray Hamilton,
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then he deserves an Oscar for it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, he sounds like he was, Uh, he was kind
of type cast in that role.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, he looks the pat I'll give him that, right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So the movie was shot in the real even the
actual ocean. It was not on a set. Most of
Jaws was filmed in the open ocean off of Martha's Vineyard,
which made production extremely difficult. The water's unpredictability caused boats
to drift, cameras to sink, and equipment to fail. Obviously,
that's that's got to be extremely difficult. Yeah, just film
on the ocean like that.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Massa's vinyard. It's the water isn't as
calm as they look.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, I mean, and I don't know how many other
movies were filmed out in the open ocean like that.
I would I only go to like water World being
filmed in the open ocean. I don't even know if
it was, Like, didn't most of that because that most
of that set sank at one point, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, that thing sank constantly. Yeah, you know, I think
that that contributed to I think they had like a
ridiculous budget, well not budget, but I figure had like
like a quarter billion dollar, which was an astronomical sum
back in ninety four ninety five when it come out.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, but it wasn't it wasn't a blockbuster either. It
was a fucking tank terrible.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It was terrible. The only good thing about that movie
was seeing Jean triple Horn fare ass. That's it. Rest
of that movie was just this is stupid. Why am
I watching this? Uh? Kevin Toss, No, he's got no
passion in his acting, like he's like he's he's bland
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as toast everything I see him. Man, I don't why
he's busy. I know, right, Even Robin Hood couldn't even
do a British accent.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Because unlike some other Robin Hoods, I can speak with
an English accent.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And carry always should have had that role, man, it
should have carry the brideless forever in my heart.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Also, a real shark was used in one scene. So
for a shot involving a cage and a thrashing shark,
the production team used real shark footage film in Australia
a little this is so funny, A little person in
a scaled down cage was going to be used to
make the shark appear bigger, but the shark destroyed the
empty cage instead, making for a spectacular unplanned shot that
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made it into the film.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah right, you.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Don't know how some of that stuff is just dumb. Luck.
Well that's that's not what we were after. But this
is way better, is right.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So that scene when what is it Richard Dryfer is
supposed to go into the cage and the shark destroys it.
That's actually a miniature cage.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I mean, eat your cage and a little person.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
They were supposed to put a little person in it,
but the shark destroyed the cage instead.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The little person's like he wasn't in the cage.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I know, seriously, right, damn. I didn't know that the
character quint was inspired by a real shark hunter. So
Robert Shaw's character Quint was inspired by a real life fisherman,
Frank Mundas, who hunted great whites off Montauk, New York.
Munda's later claimed Spielberg owed him royalties.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I love that. Once the movie comes out, they all
come looking for their money. I know, right, yeah, wait,
that movie made four hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Hey I was Quintey. Yeah, Hey, that's my character. I
said all those lines.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Spielberg gave a tough and outside I'll feed you to
the sharks. Let me alone.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I think we already talked about this one. The movie
had a modest budget that exploded. Jaw's original had a
budget of four million dollars Due to delays problems with
Bruce de Shark, it balloons a nine million, which was
massive at the in nineteen seventy five. Despite that, it
become the first summer blockbuster made over four hundred and
seventy million worldwide.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Made him an icon in the industry.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I mean seriously, and at twenty seven years old. Dude,
that's freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You know, it's crazy is it wasn't his first movie,
Like I think his first movie was a movie called Duel. Yeah,
it's a movie again. It's literally I mean it was.
Dennis Weaver was like pretty much the only guy in it,
you know, and he had like some some side actors
we call Metra's or whatever. For a bit. It's just
like two hours of this dude, a little plymouth duster
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scamp getting chased through uh to the mountains by a
crazy trucker that he passed on a highway. But you
know it's funny because when Jaws gets when the shock
gets blown up the uh he used the sound of
the truck in the end of the truck when the
truck goes off the cliff and gets wrecked. Yeah, he
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used the affect of that in Jaws, when Jaws was
sinking to the bottom, all that roaring and stuff. He
took that. He clipped that from the movie Duel and
put it on Jazz.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It didn't work. I mean it sounded cool. I picked
up on it by accident, like a few years back.
I was watching Duels, one of me and my father's
favorite movies. Yeah, that sounds just like the Shock when
you got killed and jump. You know. You know me,
I got doing my homework on like Google or whatever,
and yeah, that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Figure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, Oh, it would have bothered me if I didn't
look it up.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And then the line You're gonna need a bigger boat
wasn't in the script. That famous line, delivered by Roy Schneider,
was ad lived on set and became one of the
most quoted and iconic lines in movie history and perfectly
captured the mounting terror of the moment. So yeah, like
we talked about earlier, man, everybody, if you've seen that movie,
especially anybody who lives near the ocean at some point
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in your life, I say, at some point. But a
lot said you're gonna need a bigger I said that
the first time I took my boat out in the
ocean and got tossed around by by waves and ship
and like, I'm going to need a bigger boat.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Man, Roy Schreider to another another. The acting in that
scene was superb. I mean, I don't know if they
caught the shock out at him without him knowing, but
he like that. He genuinely had that look. And you know,
I like it's done the point out, but I like
when the piece of chum it bounces off off shucks nose.
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He's jumping in the water and big hunk of fishes
mouth bunces right off Cruse's nose. The puzzle He's got
that look of fear, looks like the cigarettes about the
fall right out of his mouth, like whoa hey and
uh back then all slowly. Yeah. I mean, acting was
so much better back in those days. I figured a
lot of it. I think a lot of it goes
back to them. You know, a lot of those guys
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back in with theater actors first, you know, yea, yeah,
I think it's like almost like being Julliard trained and something.
They just get that that better technique. Now, I'm not
crazy about this method acting crap like Jared Leto does.
I think it's foolish?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, some other stuff from the movie. I kept seeing
news articles about the Orca, about the rebuilt Orca boat
coming back to uh, coming back to Martha's Venue for
the night for the fiftieth anniversary. Do you hear about that?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
No? I miss that.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They made a replica of the Orca and it's in
Martha's vineyard.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I believe, oh man, getting homesick already. I love kid,
I love going to the Cape. I missed every June July.
I missed the Cape. I don't know why. You know,
it's you know, the traffic, the tourists and everything we
used to piss and moan about. More teenagers. I miss
all of it now.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I told my wife the other day, sell my soul
and move back to Cape cub I don't think my
soul could afford the cost of living.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So I remember my teacher there, John Sullivan, used to
tell this story about how he was in the movie
theater watching Jaws, and some woman sitting behind him kept
going on about every time they showed the boat, she
kept going on about Orca. What's an orca? Why is
it named orca? And he turns around, it's like orca
the natural predator of a shark, a killer whale. Got
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shut up.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Every theater's got one right right back in seventy five,
he was probably like, you know, I paid fifty whole
cents to see this movie. Shut up. I took my
family to the movies to see a movie last week.
It cost me sixty dollars though for three of.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Us sixty dollars. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That's another thing like right there when you think about it,
that movie shut up to four hundred. Yeah, that movie
made four hundred and fifty million in the box office,
and like the average price of a movie ticket in
the seventies with like fifty cents a dollar maybe a
dollar fifty. Yeah, that just shows you, like how many
people actually went out and saw that movie. It's it's
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an incredible an incredible peak, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, So I found this article. The Orca, its name
emblazoned on the stern of the replica as it was
fifty years ago, was reunited with the waters of the
Island by the Martha's Vineyard Shipyard, where a team launched
the boat after a truck from Florida and then a
Steamship Authority ferry carried it to the island. It's definitely
a site to see, said Josh Brown, employee of the
Martha's Vinyard Shipyard, who helped reunite the Orca with the Atlantic.
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After passing some tests run by the boat builder behind
the project, Michael Sterling, the Orca began to make its
way to the Oak Bluff Harbor to Slip sixty four,
where it will await viewing from the public as part
of the weekend's highly anticipated fiftieth anniversary celebrations. This is
definitely back back in June. The Orca replica project got
his start nine years ago and began as the shell
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of a Vinnie Cavanaugh main lobster boat from the nineteen sixties. Sterling,
a jaws enthusiast as well as a marine carpenter with
nearly forty years a boat building experience, began working on
the replica as a passion project at Sterling Marine Carpentry
in an organization based in Florida. Over time, the project faded,
the boat was left in Sterling's garden in Fort Lauderdale,
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quickly becoming a nuisance to his wife. But with the
upcoming fiftieth anniversary, Sterling happened to post a picture of
the forgotten project in the Jaws fiftieth Facebook group operated
by Michael Fulcher, who was in the process of organizing
and sponsoring a celebration in the anniversary of the film.
After seeing the potential, Fultra immediately knew that he needed
Sterling to finish building the replica and bring the Orca
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back to the island where it was born. After Fulcher
reached out, Sterling and his twelve year old son Jack
got back to work creating the bowl of Orca on
the island that the island remembers from fifty years ago.
So this was just a guy who was a lover
of Jaws and decided to rebuild the boat and brought
it out there for the fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's a hell of a passion project.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So yeah, it looks like they just brought it out
to the Martha's vineyard. Yeah, hung out with us for
a little while, had the fiftieth anniversary celebration.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's cool, and you know, next year that boat's gonna
be sitting in his driveway again, right, his wife's gonna
be pissing the moaning about it. Yeah, oh yeah, that's that.
I was back home. I take my family to see that.
It would have been fun and maybe I could rent
some mopeds again. Masters venue. You know, you know, you
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know that that scene when the shocks going into the pond,
Yeah were my old man. He took me in Frannie
out there for a job we're supposed to do. And
the second I saw my mother in the van, I
looked at frais we ain't working today. Sure enough we
get to the job.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
My father's like, oh gee, you know the spoor, these
splores aren't ready. I'm gonna call the store tell them,
you guys go do whatever you want. You know, afraid
he read it. You know, we rented mopeds and anyway,
I don't want it straight too far from from Jaws.
But the scene with the pond is I actually jumped.
The kids were jumping off the bridge. I was like,
(24:59):
I got jump off this bridge. It feels like a
right of passage. You know. I've always been a bridge jumper,
and uh I ended up doing like three or four
Tish Framestead of Getting Mad. He's a two clock. I
want to ride up to Gayhead, go to Gayhea. It's
a mile away. You know, it's not like it's not
like you're gonna get lost on Massis vineyards, right, but
it's you know, it's cheesy to talk about at the
(25:21):
same time, like it's like you know that Jaws experience, you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Know, Oh yeah, yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
That's awesome movie history.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, and I know there's still a lot of those
places obviously that the film was was filmed that still exists. Yeah,
probably pretty cool to see. I'm sure there's like a
tour or something you can do. Pas.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Last time I was watching, I was seeing things, as
you know, you see like the the Island Queen coming
in on the coming out and the cop I always
forget what the name of the cap area is, but
you see it coming in and it's just like, you know, yeah,
I've seen those. I've been on those. You know, you
have the timeloading loading up for whole and kind of
(26:01):
a movie mistake there, because you know, any any any
kid caught, he knows what's holds in town. It's not
New York. It's all right, Steve, you're on a tight budget.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I get it, yeah, made up the island. But yeah,
all right, man, Well what do you think as a
as far as recommending this movie of People is a definitely.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I would recommend everybody sees it, anyone who hasn't seen it.
I mean, especially like these gen z people like my daughter.
I had to literally forced my nineteen year old to
like suit with me and watch it when she was
like sixteen. And luckily she you know, she relented. I
cost him twenty bucks, but she was and she enjoyed it.
(26:44):
You know. You know, like I said, it's a movie
you'll never never get old. I mean especially even now,
like in a whirl Force CGI and you know everything's
made by computer now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I mean, the proctical effects were still yeah, hold up,
you know they I mean they never get they never
get too old. Practical effects. Stuff that's real looks better
than stuff that's fake.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah. And the suspense, the suspense alone, you know, it's like,
you know, the world now is just so relying on
jump scares, you know. Yeah, and what do you call
it predictability? I mean horror movies today it's just so predictable,
you know, So it holds up. You know, I got
you know one more thing about Jaws and no one's
(27:32):
two things actually one, you know when they find ben
Gat in his boat and out in the ocean, Mad Hooper, Yeah,
and look righter there, and uh, Richard Drivis goes under
the water as a hole in the boat and Ben
Gard in his body like kind of like goes did
he have a heart attack from fear or did the
shot kill him? Because it's like, how the hell did
(27:54):
the shot kill him? And he get back on a
boat been bothering him for years. I was like, he's
got a look a fear, So I'm thinking maybe he
had a hat attack.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
He might have, or did he because was the boat
the boat was sunk er, was it still flowing? I
can't know it was.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
It was like it was taken on water like there
was a hole in it, but it wasn't sucking like
like six inches above the water line. Still.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh yeah, I was gonna say maybe he drowned, but
I don't know. Maybe he hit his head on something
and drowned and yeah, maybe something like that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Either way, I mean he did.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And the other one is the U, the so called UFO.
You ever seen the UFO on that I've heard about that. Yeah,
it's either a meteor or a UFO or a shooting star.
I personally, I think it's just an effect Spielberg kind
of inserted in there. Yeah, but yeah, you know that's
that's a it's a cool it's a cool talking piece
(28:50):
for some people, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Very interesting. Yeah, So uh yeah, that's it, man, Dave,
thanks a lot for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
My pleasure. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know, my my co host is busy making a
horror movie himself. So yeah, you got to do this,
and I wanted to do. We haven't done a horror
movie Monday in a few weeks because we've kind of
taken the summer off, but I wanted to get one
out there, and uh, I thought Jaws was a good one,
especially with also just a side note from what I understand,
the Seals are starting to come back to the Cape,
(29:21):
which means the Great Whites are also coming back, So
Jaws might be more of a reality than the fiction nowadays.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You know, I wanted, I shure, Yeah, I was thinking
about that. I was like, you know, we when we
were kids, Great Whites were never, like, never a problem.
No one even talked about them. Yeah, I think our
biggest worry with like sand shacks, you know, virtually. I
mean you could probably wrestle a sand shack, you know.
But like the last ten years now, great whites have
been like an issue.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They've been coming back.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, But like you say, maybe
we blew out of real life jobs. I'm playing a
real life want to take care of it. I'll volunteer
for the job. I'll take that, guys, Mark, HOWE get
some barrel? There you go, a couple of cases in
the arrogantic.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Absolutely, Thanks man, thanks for joining us. Hope you have
a good one and we'll see on the next one.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Okay, Well, I'm so used to you fucking doing that.
The killers were fucking demented.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Your paralyzed from the neck down because I didn't have
any duct tape or rope.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And then he sticks the guy's head and the mic awave.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Somebody tried to mess with his daughter and dad killed everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
If I'm putting the same shoes, I'm probably doing the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I wasn't gonna watch the Rago once.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm that's saying a lot, considering that he ended up
getting the film banded in the fucking New.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Cag fucking diabolical. Welcome back to another episode of Horror
Movie Monday with Tails, Trails and Tavern. So I've joined
at this special episode with my buddy Dave Patton from
a who grew up on the Cape with me, went
to high school together, and he lives in Tennessee. Now,
(01:04):
So Dave, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Man? Just living the dream man? So right now?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, So for this episode, since Jaws just reached its
fiftieth anniversary June twentieth, came out nineteen seventy five, we
decided to do Jaws and since you know, you also
lived on the Cape as a young man, figured out
you were a good one to come in. I know
you love movies as well, especially horror movies. Oh yeah, yeah.
(01:33):
First thing, man, I know you just watched the trailer.
So watching the trailer, man, what did you what did
you think about that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know, it brings back memories. I like how how
it was suspenseful without too much giveaway. I mean right,
literally literally, it's just like the first scene with Susan
back when when it's pulled into the water, and I
mean that right there is just enough to hook you. Like, dude,
(02:05):
I gotta see that movie.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Right, It's just so like it's so quintessentially seventies too,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it very much takes
you back to that time immediately, absolutely so. I mean
such a great, such an iconic horror movie Jaws was,
and yeah, even from the trailer, you could tell it
was going to be it was gonna be a hit.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, definitely, I bet I Cape Carter's probably like had
to see it too, you know, like it's filmed out.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
There right, knowing that it was filmed on Martha's vineyard
out in the water. Yeah, so in the summer of
nineteen seventy five, a film hit theaters that would change
movies and beaches forever. Jaws, directed by then twenty seven
year old Steven Spielberg, wasn't just a box office smash.
It was a cultural phenomenon that invented the concept of
the summer blockbuster. I mean, we all grew up with
(02:57):
it being a smash hit anyways.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A yeah, yeah, that's the thing. That movie come out
before we were born, and I think even as a kid,
I must have watched it one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh. I mean it was when I was going through
high school and going through the film class, and even
even some of my other like the cartooning class with A. Sullivan.
It was talked about NonStop. Yeah, johns was always always
in there. Set in the quaint fictional beach town of
Amity Island, the story begins with a terrifying scene a
(03:28):
young woman goes for midnight swim and never returns. Her
mangle remains washed ashore, and it's quickly determined that a
shark attack was the cause, but town officials, particularly the mayor,
are reluctant to close the beaches, afraid it will ruin
the Lucrative Summer Tourist season. I remember hearing a story
about that first scene when what was the actress's name,
I know, you know it line. Yeah, I remember hearing
(03:50):
a story about how when they went to shoot that
original scene, they had a camera underwater when they were
doing it, like either following her or from underneath or
something like that, and they filmed the whole thing of
her getting pulled back back and forth because they used,
you know, ropes and conventional stuff to kind of pull
her back and forth. And apparently all the shots all
you could see was there snatched the whole time, so
they couldn't use any of the underwater footage.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, they kind of dropped the ball there, so they
should just sent her in there and or underway, right.
He went full commando for that scene. You can still
kind of even in the trailer. It's funny, you say,
because in the trailer, you know it's. Yeah, I don't
want to sound like a pre Pubs in twelve year old.
You know, if you pause it just right, or if
you look hard enough, you can see it, you know
(04:34):
what I mean. But you can see it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's funny. So enter Chief Martin Brody played by Roy Schneider. Yeah,
a city cop is still adjusting a small town life.
Brody is the first to push for closing the beaches,
but he's overruled by political pressure. It's a fateful decision,
and more attacks follow, each more gruesome than the last.
As fear spreads, the bounty is placed in the shark,
bringing amateur hunters to the island, resulting in chaos. But
(05:00):
when a local fisherman named Quint, a grizzled World War
two veteran with a vendetta against sharks, offers to catch
the beast for a price, the town accepts. I love
his character too.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh yeah he is he you know, he's like the
quintessential old school cape cut fisherman too. Hi, Robert Shaw.
He's just a great actor. And I loved him in that.
I really did, Joe. They did. The town wouldn't accept
his offer until until the carnage, like they needed more
(05:32):
carnage because the mayor, Murray Hamilton there just you know,
you know, wanted to like sweep it under the rug.
It's like, yeah, it's just a little boys, just some
girl on the beach, you know, it's let's open the beaches,
you know, you know, fourth of July. Carnage ensues, and
it's like, all right, let's hire Quint to kill Shock.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Now let's go after him. Yeah, now that all the people.
Now that people can get killed over and over.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Once the boy Scout leader gets eaten up in the pond,
as all right, more merit badges.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, So Brody Quinton marine biologists Matt Hooper played by
Richard Dreyfus, set out aboard the rickety boat Orca to
kill the hunt to hunt the killer, and what follows
is one of the most intense third acts in cinema history.
The trio faces mechanical failure, personal conflict, and of course,
the massive, terrifying shark, larger and more cunning than any
(06:22):
of them expected. One of the most iconic moments happened
in the film happens when Brody, spotting the creature's side
so the first time, backs into the cabin and says,
you're gonna need a bigger boat.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I mean, how many times have you quoted this movie
line in your life?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh? Shoot, a thousands, even here in Nashville. I live
in Nashville, way near the ocean, and I still I'll
still quip that every now and then in sometime oddball.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Situation, right, there's some random.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, it never goes out of style.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I never has Now. As the shark relentlessly attacks the orca,
each man is pushed to his limits, Quin meets a
grizzly end, and just when all seems lost, Brody personally
the sinking mass of the boat, fires a rifle into
a pressurized air tank lodged in the shark's mouth. The
result the beast explodes in a bloody finale, and Brody
paddles back to shore, alive but forever changed. From John
(07:23):
William's iconic two notes score to the minimalist horror forced
by a malfunctioning mechanical shark, Jaw succeeds on atmosphere tension,
atmosphere tension, and pacing. It wasn't just a monster movie.
It was a masterpiece in suspense. With a modest budget
of nine million and an endless series of production problems,
Spielberg turned what could have been a disaster into a
(07:43):
defining moment in American cinema. Jaws grossed over four hundred
and seventy million worldwide and remained the highest grossing film
of all time until Star Wars. Took the crown two
years later, and that George Lucas Today, fifty years later,
Jaws remains a stable of horror, thriller and blockbuster history
and is the reason many people still won't go into
the water. What an awesome movie was, especially given everything
(08:09):
about the shark and all kinds of other stuff that happened.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I love you know, I love how it was
scary without having to be scary, you know what I mean,
the defensive scary. I mean you get maybe thirty seconds
of complete shock visuals, you know what I mean, Yeah,
maybe a minute top, So you get to see Bruce
the shock I think. I think that's you see him
when he eats the boy scout guy in the pond,
(08:35):
then he pops his nose up to sail, and then
in the end where where he's eating Quinton gets blown up.
I mean, that's about it, and the rest of the
movie is just it's brilliant how how he was able
to create that effect without, you know, with minimalization of
the shark, because like you said, they would have nothing
mechanical failure with it anyways.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Right, Yeah, So that brings up a couple of good
facts about the movie. The shark name was Bruce. On set,
the mechanical shark was nicknamed Bruce after Spielberg's lawyer. Bruce
was notoriously difficult to work with, constantly breaking down and
causing long delays in filming. So yeah, I think there's
another one on here that talks about how the original
budget was four million and it shot up to nine
(09:18):
million over the course of the movie being shot because
of all the all the setbacks. Yeah, and then, like
you said, the shark was originally in the film much more.
Spielberg had originally planned for Bruce the shark to appear
on screen far more often, but due to technical issues,
he had to limit its appearances, which ended up increasing
suspense and fear, making the movie even more terrifying.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, he hit a home run doing it like that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I mean seriously, like he went from you know, imagine
what would have happened if the shark had been in
there more. You'd be like, Oh, it's just the shark.
It's still going.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, that's the thing. I mean, you know, at a glance,
if you've ever seen that shut like you know, like
if you like like after the movie was made, I mean,
it really does and looked like a great wete.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know, it seems like a mechanical shark exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I mean, and he moved so slight. I mean a
shacks move really fast. And like the scene, like I
keep going back to that scene in the pond with
the uh, the boy scout guy there, you know, the
shock slowly swims up and then turns his body sideways,
and it's like, dude, shocks don't do that. But to
say a tip, it's like it's still awesome, right, like
(10:27):
you was, Sam, It's it's it was great, great with
the shacks.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah. Another fact, the Indianapolis monologue was mostly improvised. So
Robert Shaw's haunting monologue about the sinking of the USS
Indianapolis was largely rewritten by Shaw himself and partially partly improvised,
adding martional depth and horror that wasn't originally in the scripts.
So again this goes back to Robert Shaw. How good
(10:51):
of an actor he was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, that was brilliant acting on his part. And the
other thing about it is he was drunk and he
had a raging alcohol problem. I've heard that, yeah, And
I mean, you know, most of his scenes when they
shot him, he was inebriated, and I mean the way
he pulled himself together to to do you think he
was really there? I mean that was just just brilliant
(11:15):
method acting on his on his pad and uh, it's
it's believable. I mean, if I didn't know his you know,
his acting career and everything, I would have I was,
you know, I think he really was on the Indianapolis, right.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean it seems it sounds so real.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You tie in the uh, I mean the musical score
for that movie, which you know, like you said, it's
like two notes, but they they are just the sound
effects of everything that they tied into it. I mean,
it adds that little level of suspense that just makes
it so much more awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah. Yeah, that brings up another another fact about it.
John Williams score was nearly a joke. When composer John
Williams first played the iconic two note theme for Spielberg,
the director laughed, thinking it was a prank. Of course,
it later became one of the most famous pieces of
film and music history.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And another one that we all quote often. Oh yeah,
don't taught you get down to Craigville Beach, go skinny
dip them with one of the local girls in the
water stack out.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I know, it's so creepy to.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Man Veteran's beach where there's like literally no waves or anything.
The water's calm as splash you know, I'll bring it
right into your arms.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Voice tricks of the trade. Another fun fact, the mayor's
suit has anchors on it. Murray Hamilton, who played Mayor Vaughan,
wears a suit covered in small anchor designs. It became
a subtle symbol of how tied he was to the
town's economy and why he didn't want the beaches closed.
I mean that's I could see that. I don't remember
(12:55):
that detector.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
He was another brilliant actor, notrri from playing a dickhead
though in most of his movies. Yeah, he was in
The Amityvilljarre a small part as a priest, and even
as a priest he was a denial. I don't want
to jump off jaws, but just like like when it
comes to to sidestepping or you know, down playing Murray Hamilton,
(13:20):
then he deserves an Oscar for it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, he sounds like he was, Uh, he was kind
of type cast in that role.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, he looks the pat I'll give him that, right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So the movie was shot in the real even the
actual ocean. It was not on a set. Most of
Jaws was filmed in the open ocean off of Martha's Vineyard,
which made production extremely difficult. The water's unpredictability caused boats
to drift, cameras to sink, and equipment to fail. Obviously,
that's that's got to be extremely difficult. Yeah, just film
on the ocean like that.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Massa's vinyard. It's the water isn't as
calm as they look.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, I mean, and I don't know how many other
movies were filmed out in the open ocean like that.
I would I only go to like water World being
filmed in the open ocean. I don't even know if
it was, Like, didn't most of that because that most
of that set sank at one point, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, that thing sank constantly. Yeah, you know, I think
that that contributed to I think they had like a
ridiculous budget, well not budget, but I figure had like
like a quarter billion dollar, which was an astronomical sum
back in ninety four ninety five when it come out.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, but it wasn't it wasn't a blockbuster either. It
was a fucking tank terrible.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It was terrible. The only good thing about that movie
was seeing Jean triple Horn fare ass. That's it. Rest
of that movie was just this is stupid. Why am
I watching this? Uh? Kevin Toss, No, he's got no
passion in his acting, like he's like he's he's bland
(14:55):
as toast everything I see him. Man, I don't why
he's busy. I know, right, Even Robin Hood couldn't even
do a British accent.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Because unlike some other Robin Hoods, I can speak with
an English accent.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And carry always should have had that role, man, it
should have carry the brideless forever in my heart.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Also, a real shark was used in one scene. So
for a shot involving a cage and a thrashing shark,
the production team used real shark footage film in Australia
a little this is so funny, A little person in
a scaled down cage was going to be used to
make the shark appear bigger, but the shark destroyed the
empty cage instead, making for a spectacular unplanned shot that
(15:39):
made it into the film.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah right, you.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Don't know how some of that stuff is just dumb. Luck.
Well that's that's not what we were after. But this
is way better, is right.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So that scene when what is it Richard Dryfer is
supposed to go into the cage and the shark destroys it.
That's actually a miniature cage.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I mean, eat your cage and a little person.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
They were supposed to put a little person in it,
but the shark destroyed the cage instead.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The little person's like he wasn't in the cage.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I know, seriously, right, damn. I didn't know that the
character quint was inspired by a real shark hunter. So
Robert Shaw's character Quint was inspired by a real life fisherman,
Frank Mundas, who hunted great whites off Montauk, New York.
Munda's later claimed Spielberg owed him royalties.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I love that. Once the movie comes out, they all
come looking for their money. I know, right, yeah, wait,
that movie made four hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Hey I was Quintey. Yeah, Hey, that's my character. I
said all those lines.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Spielberg gave a tough and outside I'll feed you to
the sharks. Let me alone.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I think we already talked about this one. The movie
had a modest budget that exploded. Jaw's original had a
budget of four million dollars Due to delays problems with
Bruce de Shark, it balloons a nine million, which was
massive at the in nineteen seventy five. Despite that, it
become the first summer blockbuster made over four hundred and
seventy million worldwide.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Made him an icon in the industry.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I mean seriously, and at twenty seven years old. Dude,
that's freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You know, it's crazy is it wasn't his first movie,
Like I think his first movie was a movie called Duel. Yeah,
it's a movie again. It's literally I mean it was.
Dennis Weaver was like pretty much the only guy in it,
you know, and he had like some some side actors
we call Metra's or whatever. For a bit. It's just
like two hours of this dude, a little plymouth duster
(17:34):
scamp getting chased through uh to the mountains by a
crazy trucker that he passed on a highway. But you
know it's funny because when Jaws gets when the shock
gets blown up the uh he used the sound of
the truck in the end of the truck when the
truck goes off the cliff and gets wrecked. Yeah, he
(17:55):
used the affect of that in Jaws, when Jaws was
sinking to the bottom, all that roaring and stuff. He
took that. He clipped that from the movie Duel and
put it on Jazz.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It didn't work. I mean it sounded cool. I picked
up on it by accident, like a few years back.
I was watching Duels, one of me and my father's
favorite movies. Yeah, that sounds just like the Shock when
you got killed and jump. You know. You know me,
I got doing my homework on like Google or whatever,
and yeah, that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Figure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, Oh, it would have bothered me if I didn't
look it up.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And then the line You're gonna need a bigger boat
wasn't in the script. That famous line, delivered by Roy Schneider,
was ad lived on set and became one of the
most quoted and iconic lines in movie history and perfectly
captured the mounting terror of the moment. So yeah, like
we talked about earlier, man, everybody, if you've seen that movie,
especially anybody who lives near the ocean at some point
(18:55):
in your life, I say, at some point. But a
lot said you're gonna need a bigger I said that
the first time I took my boat out in the
ocean and got tossed around by by waves and ship
and like, I'm going to need a bigger boat.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Man, Roy Schreider to another another. The acting in that
scene was superb. I mean, I don't know if they
caught the shock out at him without him knowing, but
he like that. He genuinely had that look. And you know,
I like it's done the point out, but I like
when the piece of chum it bounces off off shucks nose.
(19:36):
He's jumping in the water and big hunk of fishes
mouth bunces right off Cruse's nose. The puzzle He's got
that look of fear, looks like the cigarettes about the
fall right out of his mouth, like whoa hey and
uh back then all slowly. Yeah. I mean, acting was
so much better back in those days. I figured a
lot of it. I think a lot of it goes
back to them. You know, a lot of those guys
(19:57):
back in with theater actors first, you know, yea, yeah,
I think it's like almost like being Julliard trained and something.
They just get that that better technique. Now, I'm not
crazy about this method acting crap like Jared Leto does.
I think it's foolish?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, some other stuff from the movie. I kept seeing
news articles about the Orca, about the rebuilt Orca boat
coming back to uh, coming back to Martha's Venue for
the night for the fiftieth anniversary. Do you hear about that?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
No? I miss that.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They made a replica of the Orca and it's in
Martha's vineyard.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I believe, oh man, getting homesick already. I love kid,
I love going to the Cape. I missed every June July.
I missed the Cape. I don't know why. You know,
it's you know, the traffic, the tourists and everything we
used to piss and moan about. More teenagers. I miss
all of it now.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I told my wife the other day, sell my soul
and move back to Cape cub I don't think my
soul could afford the cost of living.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So I remember my teacher there, John Sullivan, used to
tell this story about how he was in the movie
theater watching Jaws, and some woman sitting behind him kept
going on about every time they showed the boat, she
kept going on about Orca. What's an orca? Why is
it named orca? And he turns around, it's like orca
the natural predator of a shark, a killer whale. Got
(21:17):
shut up.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Every theater's got one right right back in seventy five,
he was probably like, you know, I paid fifty whole
cents to see this movie. Shut up. I took my
family to the movies to see a movie last week.
It cost me sixty dollars though for three of.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Us sixty dollars. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That's another thing like right there when you think about it,
that movie shut up to four hundred. Yeah, that movie
made four hundred and fifty million in the box office,
and like the average price of a movie ticket in
the seventies with like fifty cents a dollar maybe a
dollar fifty. Yeah, that just shows you, like how many
people actually went out and saw that movie. It's it's
(21:57):
an incredible an incredible peak, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, So I found this article. The Orca, its name
emblazoned on the stern of the replica as it was
fifty years ago, was reunited with the waters of the
Island by the Martha's Vineyard Shipyard, where a team launched
the boat after a truck from Florida and then a
Steamship Authority ferry carried it to the island. It's definitely
a site to see, said Josh Brown, employee of the
Martha's Vinyard Shipyard, who helped reunite the Orca with the Atlantic.
(22:21):
After passing some tests run by the boat builder behind
the project, Michael Sterling, the Orca began to make its
way to the Oak Bluff Harbor to Slip sixty four,
where it will await viewing from the public as part
of the weekend's highly anticipated fiftieth anniversary celebrations. This is
definitely back back in June. The Orca replica project got
his start nine years ago and began as the shell
(22:43):
of a Vinnie Cavanaugh main lobster boat from the nineteen sixties. Sterling,
a jaws enthusiast as well as a marine carpenter with
nearly forty years a boat building experience, began working on
the replica as a passion project at Sterling Marine Carpentry
in an organization based in Florida. Over time, the project faded,
the boat was left in Sterling's garden in Fort Lauderdale,
(23:04):
quickly becoming a nuisance to his wife. But with the
upcoming fiftieth anniversary, Sterling happened to post a picture of
the forgotten project in the Jaws fiftieth Facebook group operated
by Michael Fulcher, who was in the process of organizing
and sponsoring a celebration in the anniversary of the film.
After seeing the potential, Fultra immediately knew that he needed
Sterling to finish building the replica and bring the Orca
(23:25):
back to the island where it was born. After Fulcher
reached out, Sterling and his twelve year old son Jack
got back to work creating the bowl of Orca on
the island that the island remembers from fifty years ago.
So this was just a guy who was a lover
of Jaws and decided to rebuild the boat and brought
it out there for the fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's a hell of a passion project.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So yeah, it looks like they just brought it out
to the Martha's vineyard. Yeah, hung out with us for
a little while, had the fiftieth anniversary celebration.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's cool, and you know, next year that boat's gonna
be sitting in his driveway again, right, his wife's gonna
be pissing the moaning about it. Yeah, oh yeah, that's that.
I was back home. I take my family to see that.
It would have been fun and maybe I could rent
some mopeds again. Masters venue. You know, you know, you
(24:18):
know that that scene when the shocks going into the pond,
Yeah were my old man. He took me in Frannie
out there for a job we're supposed to do. And
the second I saw my mother in the van, I
looked at frais we ain't working today. Sure enough we
get to the job.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
My father's like, oh gee, you know the spoor, these
splores aren't ready. I'm gonna call the store tell them,
you guys go do whatever you want. You know, afraid
he read it. You know, we rented mopeds and anyway,
I don't want it straight too far from from Jaws.
But the scene with the pond is I actually jumped.
The kids were jumping off the bridge. I was like,
(24:59):
I got jump off this bridge. It feels like a
right of passage. You know. I've always been a bridge jumper,
and uh I ended up doing like three or four
Tish Framestead of Getting Mad. He's a two clock. I
want to ride up to Gayhead, go to Gayhea. It's
a mile away. You know, it's not like it's not
like you're gonna get lost on Massis vineyards, right, but
it's you know, it's cheesy to talk about at the
(25:21):
same time, like it's like you know that Jaws experience, you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Know, Oh yeah, yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
That's awesome movie history.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, and I know there's still a lot of those
places obviously that the film was was filmed that still exists. Yeah,
probably pretty cool to see. I'm sure there's like a
tour or something you can do. Pas.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Last time I was watching, I was seeing things, as
you know, you see like the the Island Queen coming
in on the coming out and the cop I always
forget what the name of the cap area is, but
you see it coming in and it's just like, you know, yeah,
I've seen those. I've been on those. You know, you
have the timeloading loading up for whole and kind of
(26:01):
a movie mistake there, because you know, any any any
kid caught, he knows what's holds in town. It's not
New York. It's all right, Steve, you're on a tight budget.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I get it, yeah, made up the island. But yeah,
all right, man, Well what do you think as a
as far as recommending this movie of People is a definitely.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I would recommend everybody sees it, anyone who hasn't seen it.
I mean, especially like these gen z people like my daughter.
I had to literally forced my nineteen year old to
like suit with me and watch it when she was
like sixteen. And luckily she you know, she relented. I
cost him twenty bucks, but she was and she enjoyed it.
(26:44):
You know. You know, like I said, it's a movie
you'll never never get old. I mean especially even now,
like in a whirl Force CGI and you know everything's
made by computer now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I mean, the proctical effects were still yeah, hold up,
you know they I mean they never get they never
get too old. Practical effects. Stuff that's real looks better
than stuff that's fake.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah. And the suspense, the suspense alone, you know, it's like,
you know, the world now is just so relying on
jump scares, you know. Yeah, and what do you call
it predictability? I mean horror movies today it's just so predictable,
you know, So it holds up. You know, I got
you know one more thing about Jaws and no one's
(27:32):
two things actually one, you know when they find ben
Gat in his boat and out in the ocean, Mad Hooper, Yeah,
and look righter there, and uh, Richard Drivis goes under
the water as a hole in the boat and Ben
Gard in his body like kind of like goes did
he have a heart attack from fear or did the
shot kill him? Because it's like, how the hell did
(27:54):
the shot kill him? And he get back on a
boat been bothering him for years. I was like, he's
got a look a fear, So I'm thinking maybe he
had a hat attack.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
He might have, or did he because was the boat
the boat was sunk er, was it still flowing? I
can't know it was.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
It was like it was taken on water like there
was a hole in it, but it wasn't sucking like
like six inches above the water line. Still.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh yeah, I was gonna say maybe he drowned, but
I don't know. Maybe he hit his head on something
and drowned and yeah, maybe something like that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Either way, I mean he did.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And the other one is the U, the so called UFO.
You ever seen the UFO on that I've heard about that. Yeah,
it's either a meteor or a UFO or a shooting star.
I personally, I think it's just an effect Spielberg kind
of inserted in there. Yeah, but yeah, you know that's
that's a it's a cool it's a cool talking piece
(28:50):
for some people, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Very interesting. Yeah, So uh yeah, that's it, man, Dave,
thanks a lot for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
My pleasure. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know, my my co host is busy making a
horror movie himself. So yeah, you got to do this,
and I wanted to do. We haven't done a horror
movie Monday in a few weeks because we've kind of
taken the summer off, but I wanted to get one
out there, and uh, I thought Jaws was a good one,
especially with also just a side note from what I understand,
the Seals are starting to come back to the Cape,
(29:21):
which means the Great Whites are also coming back, So
Jaws might be more of a reality than the fiction nowadays.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You know, I wanted, I shure, Yeah, I was thinking
about that. I was like, you know, we when we
were kids, Great Whites were never, like, never a problem.
No one even talked about them. Yeah, I think our
biggest worry with like sand shacks, you know, virtually. I
mean you could probably wrestle a sand shack, you know.
But like the last ten years now, great whites have
been like an issue.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They've been coming back.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, But like you say, maybe
we blew out of real life jobs. I'm playing a
real life want to take care of it. I'll volunteer
for the job. I'll take that, guys, Mark, HOWE get
some barrel? There you go, a couple of cases in
the arrogantic.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Absolutely, Thanks man, thanks for joining us. Hope you have
a good one and we'll see on the next one.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
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