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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Do the intro. This is your baby, man.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Okay, Well, I'm so used to you fucking doing it.
The killers were fucking demented.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Your paralyzed from the neck down because I didn't have
any duct tape or rope.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And then he sticks the guy's head and the mic awave.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Somebody tried to mess with his daughter, and dad killed everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
If I'm putting the same shoes, I'm probably doing the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I wasn't gonna watch a radio one.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm that's saying a lot considering that he ended up
getting the film band in the fucking.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
New cag.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Fucking diabolical. When you, uh, when you brought this movie
up to me, you said it was crazy, you said
it was absolutely nuts. You also said there's lots of
nudity in the beginning. You're talking about an orgy scene
right off the bat. Yep, So tonight on a horror
(01:07):
movie Monday, brought to you by Tales, Trails and Taverns
is we did the Wickerman, the nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Six, seventy three.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Okay, that's a right good seventy three Wickerman.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Dude. I mean, I've seen a lot of movies in
my life.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah. I think everybody who listened to the show knows
you've seen a lot of movies.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, dude, I am. I mean this is one of
those movies. I remember I was telling you Sunday. But
literally the first like forty five to fifteen minutes of
the movie, you're like, what the fuck is going on
in this movie?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh my god? Just like the dancing and the singing,
and all the weird songs and the may poles and yep,
the the orgy going on in the graveyard, yes, and
the naked woman screaming over someone's grave, over someone's headstone. Yes,
(02:10):
my god. It's it's just it's full on, just psycho
shit from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
What was I wrong though?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
When I said you're gonna watch this movie, You're gonna
be like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Seriously, Like the first I mean, for most of the movie,
you're just going and even when you start to get
a sense of like what's actually going on, you still
have no idea what's happening.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No, like in a good way though, in a good way.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, I mean it comes to the twist at the end,
just comes out of nowhere and you're like, oh my god,
how did this even happen?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's uh, dude, I would you consider it a horror
movie or a thriller.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's more like a psychological thriller than a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I mean, yeah, there is horror, there is killing it.
You know, there's murder at the end, but there's no like,
there's no blood. It's not a it's not a slasher movie, obviously,
it's not. You know, it's a serial.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Ten people get brutally fucking gutted to death.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's not that kind of movie.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
No, I mean, only you think there's one person that's
dead to the entire thing they're trying to find. It
turns out she's not dead, she's you know, only one
person dies in the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But the build up to.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That point, Yeah, it's definitely psychological.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh my god, this movie.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's gotta be in my top ten most mind fuck
movies I think I've ever watched.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
In my life.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, So, so.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Go on, why don't you playing that the movie is
as best as possible.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
We can kind of bounce off each other.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I was gonna I was gonna ask you, like, what,
at what point did you feel like you actually had
the movie down pat like where did you did you
get to a point where you're like, okay, I start
to understand what's going on, like you know. So the
cop goes a cop from Scottish Mainland goes to a
private island run by a lord and he's looking for
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a missing girl, that's the premise. And he gets there,
somebody sent him an anonymous letter saying a girl had
been missing.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
For a few months, Rowan Morrison.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
But it was not her mother who sent the letter
saying my daughter is missing. It's just someone is saying
this girl is missing.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
M h.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And so the cop goes there and he finds the
mother find with another daughter, but the mother doesn't has
no you know, says she doesn't have a daughter by
that name, so she never existed. Everybody he talks to
says she didn't don't exist. He doesn't get any glimpse
of the fact that she ever exists until he gets
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to the school and forces his way into the school records,
before he finally finds out that she does act, that
this person does actually exist. But even though even then
everybody was lying to him saying that she is not
a real person. She never lived. There even though the
girls in the school, even though the school children.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean, the movie.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It's it's a wild psychological thriller. Like you said, it's
a cop that goes there from the main It's an
island off the mainland of Scotland. It's called Summer Summer
Isle or something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, and almost right off the bat, like, Okay, he's
a police officer and she's got authority and all this shit,
but like nobody on the island gives a fuck.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Everybody is so passively aggressive with this guy and could
give two fucks about his authority as a police officer
or anything of that fact of the matter, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And everybody that he meets and talks to is basically
urging him to leave. Again. Yes, from the first minute
that he shows up, because he shows up on a
on a seaplane, throws his anchor out and asks for
a dinghy to come roll out, and they're like, nope,
this is a private island, buddy, get on out of here.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And he's like, as you can see, I am a police.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Officer, right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, we could probably dissect his character too
for a while. The very the staunchy, you know, mainland
police officer and is what is essentially a backwoods pagan island.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, and what makes matters worse is the police officer
is a very.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Devote cat flick.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So he finds this island to just he despises it.
Within the first half an hour or so.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You can just tell that there's no churches there. Even
the graves say like like when he's walking through the graveyard,
it says like nasty, repugnant shit like something. Did you
meet the one grave where it's like he died something
and then was ejaculated all over the thing.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Like he reads the stone.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I thought I thought it cost all that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, it's like, what the fuck kind of tombstone puts
ejaculated on it?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Right? So, yeah, and so the first night he gets there,
he goes to the inn. He goes local inn that's
also the tavern, and tries to get a room, and
everybody starts singing and dancing about the tap that the
inn owner's daughter, the tavern owner's daughter pretty much.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Pretty much, it's it's a joking song about how the
inn's daughter is a slot pretty much.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, and how if you want to bang her go ahead,
she's ready, Yeah, everybody's girl mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And and believe it or not, the man goes to
bed and the girl they come up like down in
the in the tavern. They make this like very weird
trancy like song and she's fully naked in in the.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Next room like bang walls and.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
She she even like So he goes to his room
and he's sang his nightly prayers like on his knees,
and she bangs on his doors, like come on in
such and come see me or something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right, Yeah, she was like telling her to come over.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And she goes into this weird she sings this weird
song trying to like eronate him, and she's dancing around her.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Bedroom but naked, banging on.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
The walls to the beat of the drum to the song.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
How that guy got any sleep in that room? I
have no idea.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And you could tell that like.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
He wanted to, but he you know, he was he's
he's engaged.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Not only that, but he was saving himself for marriage
because he was that devout of a Catholic.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, so you know, it's the one thing. So he
doesn't end up banging her. She wakes him up the
next morning.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
You know, and says, you know, like, why didn't you
come visit me last night?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I was calling for you?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And he's like, you know, I'm an engaged man.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And she's like, oh, that'll stop you a like like
a joke, like who gives a fuck?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
He engages her.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Attitude what happens on summer.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And she's like, no, it's just I don't believe in
that before marriage.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And then she made See.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
When I first watched the movie, I thought she said,
you wouldn't want to be here during mating Day and
I'm like, what the fuck is mating Day?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But she says, it's May.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Day, Mayday because they were ye. Yeah, they were building
up for their their Mayday celebration.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Their May Day celebration.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I mean, Joe, I'm watching this shit right and it's
blowing my mind. And this is what twenty twenty five.
Could you imagine what it was like in nineteen seventy
three when this fucking movie came out?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I don't know, man, I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I mean, I mean people were so much more religious
fact then, dude.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, what's crazy is like what's crazy though, is like
every time we watch a movie from the seventies, there's
so much nudity in them as compared to nowadays. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think, Well, I'm gonna say that Hollywood had two
renaissance eras where movies were just like wild.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And crazy and like they they didn't they really.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Pushed the job of a film, like like movies was
to really push the envelope to the extreme. And I
feel like those two eras were the seventies and the nineties.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, you know what I mean, good bag.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I mean, like bro, like, for example, people like the Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
When did the Exorcists come out?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I don't know, because this is kind of Exorcisist without
the demonic possession of a child.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Saying, because it's got all the paganists.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Uh, you know, it sets it all right.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So the Exorcist came out the same year.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
In nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
People were like passing out in the fucking movie theater
when that movie came out. Like people were losing it,
like losing their shit.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, I don't understand, like religious groups were going.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well, dude, nobody in a movie theater in a movie
up to the Exorcist, says your mother sucks Cox and hell, bro, like,
that's just wasn't by a girl possessed by the devil?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You know what I'm saying, Like that just didn't.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It didn't happen in film films, Joe, You know, yeah,
I mean granted this movie The wicker Man, it's more
subtle there. They're paganists and occultic beliefs are more subtle.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, they start off subtle.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
They stood off very subtle, yet they come.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
On pretty strong once he once you realize that they're pagan.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And then so everybody denies that this girl exists. The
first forty five fifty minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, somebody said he graven. Somebody somebody told her she
was buried in the in the graveyard. Right, yeah, the teacher,
Uh was it the teacher? Was it the ship?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It was the teacher because because the teacher said, because
he said to the teacher, he says, you like all
like he's yelling at the girls all you lie to
me and you're the biggest liar of them all. And
the teacher's like, man, I speak with you outside.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And when when.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
She's speaking to him outside, the cops like, well how
long has she been dead? And he's and she's like
around here, we don't use the word. We like to
think of you know, like when you when you when
your soul leaves your body, it goes back.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
To the to the trees, to the sky, to the birds,
to the world, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
What I mean. And then he gets to the graveyard
and he finds the the guy who's attending the graveyard,
the groundskeeper, and he's just like, oh, yeah, she's right there,
that's her grave. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And did you notice every grave in the graveyard had
a tree planet?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, he mentioned that. He said that, he goes, oh,
I noticed, is a tree in every grave? It's like, yep,
that was part of their religions.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
What's sucked up is so the night prior when he
was at the end, when everybody was getting drunk and
having their singing songs and whatever, that fucking the graveyard,
the graveyard keeper or undertaker, undertaker is the word.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
He saw the picture.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And denied not not knowing or seeing her. But then
when he showed when the cop later shows up to
the graveyard and sees the guy for a second time,
because it's a small eye, you know what I mean,
the first thing he sees, like I noticed there's no
headstone here.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Who's buried here? He's like, called Rowan Morrison.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, yeah, she's there, that's her.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's like he's like, dude, just the night prior, I
was asking if anybody knew it, and you said, like,
you didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, he was passing the picture around. I mean he
looked at the picture and he said, I don't recognize her.
But then but then he asked one who was buried there?
Even though it wasn't her in the you know, underground obviously,
as we find out later after he goes to goes
and sees the Lord of summer Isle, which is also
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a super weird character, very weird. Yes, just what was it?
There was like a bunch of girls out there just
dancing on the grass, naked in.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The topless and nail over fires.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeap, hopping over the fires. And he's like, what is
this teaching? Like why are you you're cool with just
seeing a bunch of young girls out there naked running around?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
His responses, His responses, well, they can't hop over fire
with clothes on, now, can they?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
They'll catch on fire.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
He's like, why are they hopping over fire?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Anyways?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Like obviously you can't you clothes will catch on fire? Duh.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And he's like, what kind of what kind of island
is this?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, that's why he yelled at him at some point
about being a heathen and all kinds of other ship.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And then that's when like the the Lord of summer Isle,
he was kind of like because he brings up like
God and Christianity and he's like, you know, on this island,
we believe the God that you believe in is dead.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah. When he started talking about rituals in the in
the fruit and like the growing, you know, the growing
of their crops and stuff like that, I started to
get the idea that like it was going to be
a human sacrifice at some point.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That was when I was starting to get That's when
you start to get that idea. You start to get
that feeling of like, Okay, we're gonna get there there,
that's that's that's the pagan ritual that we're that we're
working towards. Yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So then he so he does some more investigation.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
He gets permission, he gets permission to dig up the grave.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Correct the alleged grave of Rowan Morrison.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
This twelve year old girl yep.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And when they opened the casket, it's a dead bunny
rabbit inside of it, and the fucking undertaker is laughing
his ass off because.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
I'm pretty sure he already knew. Everybody knew, Yeah, everybody knew.
They were like, that's her, she's bunny, Now, what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So he grabs the bunny, goes back to the lord's
castle or whatever the fuck it was.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was like a castle, Yeah, throws.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
The bunny rabbit at I guess him and his wife
if you want to call it that, or a mistress,
whoever the fuck it was.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, I can't imagine a guy, a weird dude like
that would have a wife. They were just singing. He's
playing the piano, she's singing. She's just a dead rabbit,
just tossed right in her lap.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
And they're still like, they're like, what's the big deal?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Why are you bugging out?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Like, yeah, people, they're like people turn into rabbits sometimes, Like,
what's the fucking problem here? So she's a rabbit now, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But then the cop like he does his own investigation
and he finds out that I guess they had a
bad harvest in the summer of seventy two.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Right, because he finds that, he finally finds the picture
because they had the harvest. They have all the harvest
pictures up and there's a picture of a young girl
and all the all the all the harvest. And then
he breaks into the the cameraman shop, the photographer's shop. Yeah,
and he finds the negatives and he actually, I mean
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good on him to know how to print a picture, right,
like Jesus, that's a lost art. Like, how many people
do you know have ever actually gone into a dark
room and printed a picture from a negative.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I don't think I know anybody.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
This guy, just this guy just does it. He just
rolls in there. I mean he's a cop, so he's
probably got to deal with that stuff. But he just
rolls in the into the dark room, into the photographer's studio,
you know, Gangstert Negatives, finds the one about the harvest,
prints it on a big thing, and finds the picture
of Rowan and a bunch of empty baskets, bunch of
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empty apple baskets.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So they had a terrible harvest in the summer of
seventy two. So he gets the impression that because the
harvest was bad, and Rowan was the picture that she's
the sacrifice two together. Yeah, so they have this big,
this big ritual May Day celebration where they all dress
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up in.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Odds fucking things they would They have.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Like masks of like rabbits and bears and animals, and yeah,
he he ends up. I think it was the guy
who on the end right, he like beats him up
and ties him up and steals his costume.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, because that guy is the fool. The fool has
a mask on exactly, so he steals he knocks him out,
ties him up, and steals the fool's costumes that he
could sneak into the parade exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And he goes to the parade, and the parade takes
them all the way up to.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
This the beach, and.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
He gets a scene and he sees and I mean,
keep in mind.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
They're all wearing very weird.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like all the stuff that you see about like satanic
cults and stuff. How they wear like weird paganistic masks.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Everybody's going to roll the player and not just wearing costume,
but they have to actually play the role in the costume.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Too, exactly. And so he sees he actually sees Rowan,
and he thinks Rowan's going to be.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So he goes into cop mode and grabs this girl
and tries to run away with her, and she's like,
let's go this way, and then like he follows.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Her caves and.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Then it turns out, boom, a double cross.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The girl was in on it too.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
The whole thing was a setup to get him there.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The whole thing was a setup to get the cop
on the island. And the cop is the one who
gets sacrificed.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right because he's a virgin. He played the fool. He
was willing. He went there willingly. He stayed there willingly.
Even though everybody tried to get him to leave. He
stayed of his own accord. Nobody made nobody forced him
to stay, you know. So he did all these things
that the sacrifice is supposed to do to be worthy
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of the sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And in the end, so the double cross is like
a holy fuck. It does turn out that the woman
who owned the candy shop, who had the other daughter,
that was her mother.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yep, everybody, everybody in the town is there.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Everybody in the town was there.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
They take him and they literally put him in a
big wooden wicker.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Man.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, Wickerman's statue, and there's like cows and sheeps and
other animals that they put inside of the fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And the end of the movie they.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Burn them alive while they say some weird chanting prayer
that I'm assuming it is tried to be a cult.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I mean, folks, folks, if if your.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Head's spinning trying to grasp what we're telling.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You, just watch the movie.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
There's really no simple way to explain this movie. I
will say this. It doesn't suck.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It does not suck at all, even though we're like,
we're really all over the place. And I don't know
if if you've got a good idea of what we
just told you, is that fair to say that?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Joe, Yeah, this movie is crazy. And I mean, if
you want to go step further, there was the two
thousand and six remake of The Wickerman. Sorry Nicholas Cage.
I and I honestly thinking about the way Nicholas Cage
acts and the way he can he can do a
crazy person like I can imagine him as this because
he's the cop. He plays the cop.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Okay, so we'll maybe we'll have to circle back to that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
One too.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
At some point because that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Because yeah, I I I do love me some Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, it's some some crazy, some wild Nicholas Cage is
probably that's that's a probably good that's some good TV
right there.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Oh yeah, because nobody knows how to play crazy like
Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
We'll have to We'll have to check that out.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But yeah, but yeah, I mean the Wickerman confusing as
far in the beginning, but it's it's confusing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
In a good way.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And the movie has you hook line and sinker from
the first second to the end of it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh yeah, because you have you have no idea what's
gonna happen. Even if you sat down, even if you
listen to this entire thing and then you went and
watched it for the first time, you'd still be like,
what is happening? Awesome? Man, that was a good movie.
It was a good.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Uh dude, I had only I was when you called
me last week.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I was twenty minutes into it and I was already hooked.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh yeah, you were like your brain was probably exploding
at that point.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, that's why I was like, dude, we have to
do this movie you don't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, all right, well, thank you everybody for listening. Have
a great night. Go watch The Wickerman.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Definitely go watch The Wickerman. And I would We would
really love Joe it is. Please leave us a review
of what you think.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Of this movie. Yeah, we want to hear that too.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I would love to see the reviews on this one.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, let us know what you think of the work
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Man, because it is fucking wacky.