May 23, 2025 • 46 mins
In this episode, Rob and Joe recount their return trip to one of the most infamous—and paranormally active—locations in the country: the Pennhurst Paracon and Oddities Expo in Spring City, PA.
From newly opened buildings we had the chance to explore, to the eerie energy that still lingers in the halls, we dive deep into what made this year’s event unforgettable.
We talk about the incredible paranormal investigators and special effects designers we met, the strange and fascinating oddities on display, and our brush with some of the celebrity guests who made appearances. But it wasn’t all smooth sailing—Rob and Joe also discuss the parking chaos that plagued the first day and how the venue handled the overwhelming turnout.
Whether you’re a paranormal fan, a horror junkie, or just love a good haunted road trip, this episode captures the excitement, the chills, and the community surrounding Pennhurst Paracon 2025. Buckle up—this one gets spooky.
From newly opened buildings we had the chance to explore, to the eerie energy that still lingers in the halls, we dive deep into what made this year’s event unforgettable.
We talk about the incredible paranormal investigators and special effects designers we met, the strange and fascinating oddities on display, and our brush with some of the celebrity guests who made appearances. But it wasn’t all smooth sailing—Rob and Joe also discuss the parking chaos that plagued the first day and how the venue handled the overwhelming turnout.
Whether you’re a paranormal fan, a horror junkie, or just love a good haunted road trip, this episode captures the excitement, the chills, and the community surrounding Pennhurst Paracon 2025. Buckle up—this one gets spooky.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
She used to get visited by people at night that
died in the mills.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
There is a shadow figure standing right next to where
the pictures are on the wall that we had just been.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
At about ten minutes ago. Right when we crossed the bridge.
I saw something.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And as I walk into the hallway, I feel like
I see a little girl out of the right corner
of my eye.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dude, I see this fucking man quick one too, like
blink my eyes for three seconds and he's fucking gone through.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
The inn is haunted by three ghosts. He says, there's
the general, there's a little girl.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
All of a sudden, just gets this weirdest feeling today,
just got really cold all of a sudden. It's like,
kinda within a minute of saying that, we see two
blonde hair, blue eyed children.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hear them come up the stairs, but I don't see
the light any here or anything. Ferdie went back down to
get it, and about five minutes later he comes up
the stairs and he's got the light in hand, and
I'm like, dude, what'd you do? You forget the light
downstairs the first time? And he's like, what do you mean?
He's like, I heard you come up the stairs. I
didn't see a light. Peers like, dude, wasn't that wasn't me.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
There's a weird feeling about it. We turned, we walk.
These kids are fucking gon too.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
In the dark forest lies the secret told in broken
stories by those who have bore witness a monster, a murder,
a long forgotten ghost town shrouded in mystery. We're not
just here to uncover these stories. We're here to walk
the haunted Pats, seek out the restless spirits who linger
in these forsaken places, and we want you to come along.
(01:57):
Welcome to Tails, Trails and Taverns. Curiosity to defy his caution,
we venture into the eerie trails, the abandoned ghost towns,
and the old taverns, where echoes of the past still
cling to the air. These are the places others might
warn you not to go to. So lisap your boots,
grab a working flashlight and join us. Together. We'll tell
(02:18):
the tails, hike the trails, and raise a glass to
the spirits, both spectral and distilled, who wait for us
at the tavern's door. Welcome back another episode of Tails
Trails of Taverns. This is the post Paracon debrief, as
we like to do. Obviously, if everybody listened last week
(02:39):
it was the pre para con. We were getting ready
to head out there to Pennsylvania. And last weekend, uh,
we spent the weeknd in Pennsylvania. We got to go
back to Paracon check it, check it out again out
of the Penhurst Asylum with all lovely people that showed up.
There were so many people there this week.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
There was twice as many people and twice as many vendors.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Had to have been, absolutely had to have been.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It was such a zoom. Saturday.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it was a great time though, man, as always
like Saturday. The weather, the weather was good. I mean
it was hot Saturday. It wasn't as hot Sunday, but
the weather was good for it. You know, we didn't
get we didn't get soaked out like we did last year.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, we had a great time. I feel like
it always goes by so fast.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It does go by fast. Yeah, I mean there was
a little issue with the parking on the way in
there on Saturday morning. They kind of closed it off
to one side and it's not the side that the
GPS directions actually take you to, so a lot of
people like us got confused about which way to go in,
and then once we were going in, there was this
weird funnel going on shut everything down for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You remember, Raving said that people were going on Facebook
leaving wicked, nasty reviews.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Bro I believe it. I mean, we were in Phoenixville.
Phoenixville was fifteen minutes from Penhurst Asylum, and it took
us hour and a half or more to get in.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean we were at the gates of Powerkon by
nine five and we didn't get in there until eleven thirty.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's almost two hours.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know. We had VIP tickets, so we were supposed
to get in there an hour and a half earlier
than general admission. We got into at the same time.
As we were walking up, as we were getting ready
to get our ticket stubs and our our lanyards, they
were already the general admission was coming right in behind us.
The early admission part of the VIP pass wasn't applicable
(04:28):
for Saturday for us. Everything else we still had, I
mean access to the buildings, access to new buildings.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Which the tunnel was cool as fuck too.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, they had some tunnel sections open. They had the
industry building at the beginning there that was open, that
was new, So that was super cool to get into.
We went to Gettysburg the day before on the way
up to I say, on the way to Penhurst, but hones.
We drove two hours past Penhurst to go to Gettysburg
and it was worth it. It was worth it. We
(05:00):
could have gone three days ahead of time and still
spent you know, you could spend days at Gettysburg.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Oh yeah, so much to say, so much history there.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So you if you folks.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Want to, you know, listen to our little story about Gettysburg,
you're just gonna have to tune until next week. Sorry,
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, we'll we'll dive into the dive into Gettysburg and
talk about our experience there in the history and everything
next week. This week, para con Man.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Back to Penhurst. Oh and so I know we were
just talking about this before, but we stayed in Phoenixville
and there was the Colonial Theater. The movie The Blob
was part of. It was filmed there, and it was
film in the area. What I was just thinking of
was in nineteen fifty eight, when that movie came out,
(05:52):
Penhurst was still an active asylum.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So that fifteen minute drive away. Those they were, they
were right outside the Penhurst. You know, State Hospital was
still an active hospital back then. They were out there,
they were out there gardening, they were out there working.
All those people were living there, living there. I wouldn't
(06:17):
say living the dream, no, but it was an active
asylum back then.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Probably in its heyday too, probably.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean the fifties were like a day of mental institutions.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So yeah, we met a lot interesting uh well, we walked.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Around like we always do, yep, and then we we
started talking to a lot of vendors and I got it,
like Joe has already mentioned, like we there was twice
as many vendors.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
This year as they was last year.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They really it feels like there was more open spaces
last year, where like this year, every ounce of space
was utilized.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. I definitely felt like it, like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They definitely added more vendor, boots, more, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think they probably had they had bigger celebrities.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They well yeah, I mean they had that guy with
Josh Josh Gates.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, well that guy's fucking line was unbelievable the whole time.
Saturday and Sunday, people were waiting well over two hours
to see Josh Gates. We I didn't go and visit
any celebrities this time.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think part of that was is that I.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Had just done the ct Horfs in Stanford and I'd
spent like five hundred dollars on meet and greets and autographs. Yeah,
and I just did not feel like going down that
rabbit hole again. Because once you saw a business like
going to see these people and getting the meet and
greets in the autographs, dude, you go through money real quick.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, it's definitely expensive when you want to start doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And I think somebody even told me too, like one
of the girls from from Twilight was charging fifty dollars
eighty dollars just for a picture and that's not including
an autograph.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And when I heard that, I was like, fuck that
noise even.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And it's interesting because she played she played a character
in the first movie. It's for Shechelle, right, Chelle. I'm
never going to say her name right the first time.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
She was the girlfriend of the vampire that wanted to
kill Kristen Stewart in the first one.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well you would know man, you watched all those movies.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, yeah, forcefully.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But she only played that character in the first movie.
She was replaced for the second movie.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Did not know that much, did not know.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That, so her character didn't even stay on. Well, the
character stayed on, but she didn't stay on playing the
character for more than She only played that character in
one movie and it was replaced in the next. The
rest of them, And she's still charging eighty dollars for
a picture. That's fine, no, thank you. Gotta make your
money somehow, I guess. Yeah, I don't know what else.
(09:37):
I don't know what else she's from. She could be
very probably with other movies, but they were.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I'm sure that's not her own the fame.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm sure she's got some other acting accolades under her belt.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
It's just I I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Feel like they just had her for that one.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, I was curious to go meet the guy
that played Mike Myers and Rob Zombie ones. But like
I said, it's like I just gone to that Rigama
roll two weeks prior. Yeah, and I just I know
how expensive those fucking things can get, and I just
I didn't feel like going down the road again.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I'm not. Really, I'm not. I don't really care
to meet celebrities, dude, honestly, Like, I'm not, That's not
my thing. I'm not standing in the line just to
shake someone's hand and get their autograph.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean if you, you know, if you're into that,
that's that's great for you. You know, more power to you.
It's just it's not my thing. So like with you
not wanting to do it, I don't want to do
it anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I mean it was cool when I did it with
the Terrifyer cast because I love those movies and my
daughter really loves those movies, right, Yeah, but like, yeah,
it's it's not really my thing either, Joe, to be
honest with you, Yeah, I've gone to many a comic
cons before and been like, oh, there's.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You know Kurt Angle, or oh is somebody that played
in that movie? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I mean it was it is cool to see him,
and I don't mind. I don't mind seeing him from Afar,
you know the same. You know, if you go to
a concert or something you see him up on stage,
that's whatever, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I didn't say this when I met Jeff Daniel Phillips,
and I told him that, you know, the podcasts and
how we're working on a screenplay.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
They got me and him.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Did have a really good tournament conversation. Yeah, yeah, so
that was worth the price of admission. Yeah with that guy,
you know what I mean? Yeah, so you do get that.
I mean, now, I remember one time I went to
a comic con price about eight nine years ago, and
(11:52):
I talked to Jake the Snake Roberts for like thirty
minutes because he had no one in his line at all.
Literally he had no one who's line and it's fucking
Jake the Snake Roberts.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, the guy's a living legend.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Uh So yeah, I mean I have had those type
of experiences celebrities.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But yeah, So there were also a lot of different vendors.
There were people who were selling wares obviously, but then
there were also a lot of paranormal investigator teams. There was,
I mean, what else was there there? There was guys
like cards real quick, Yeah, if you want to start,
if you want to, yah, we'll go through the cards.
Just talk, you know, bring one up and we'll talk
(12:42):
about what we thought.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, so do do do we.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Got Okay, that one doesn't really apply.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
This is the one about the forces.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I don't think that that applies too much.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Beam fist. Yeah, there was this guy selling this special
patent made uh patent hand made flashlight which was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Actually, you put it, you wear it on your wrist
like a watch, and then there's a trigger on the
finger where you can press.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
The button to turn the light on or off.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's essentially a hands free flashlight that he's got.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It's Yeah, it's essentially a hands free flashlight. You can
charge it with a USB cable with a Type C charger,
and allegedly it illuminates up to three and forty feet.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was pretty bright. It had
had what like three different had two different.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Sad angs, one for infrared and one for just normal.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah. I had like a high beam, low beam, the flicker,
you know that, the pulsating light, and then the red light.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
For what it's worth, it was very reasonably priced at
forty dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's all it was. Yeah, I didn't see what the
price was, but yeah, I mean, definitely very cool.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Just because it's like I'm just comfortable with the flashlight
in one hand and like literally when I urbed explore,
which is something that I would that's probably the only
thing I would use.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That being light for.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, it's constantly in my hand. I'm taking like one
hundreds of picture as well. I'm just walking. Yeah, so
I don't it wouldn't be very practical.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
To me, right, But I mean I could see the
use in.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It, Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And it's beamfist dot com. So b e a M
FIST F I s T dot com. Yes, you can
check that out. They're also I found them on Instagram,
followed them and it looks like it's available on Amazon.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Cool, I mean, more power to them.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's it looks like a great product, and I'm sure
there's a there's a market for it, and I hope that.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I wish the guy nothing but success.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So it says a Stealth wrisk w R I S
T and it's an acronym for Wired Remote Illuminating Spotlight Tool.
Very cool. I like, erwy did that?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I mean, I see how you know, you know who
would really benefit from that, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You, one of the urban explorers that you hang.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Out with, m that I'm not just not.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'm honestly like police force and military.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
That would probably yeah, yeah, I mean if you had
if you had a light you could put on your wrist.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, well, while you hold a firearm in the other one,
that could be very useful.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean you can hold them. You can have the
firearm in the same same arm. You get the wrist
light on.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You can see what you're shooting at the dark.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
That's why I said, like for police force and military,
I actually feel like it would be a good.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Good use of equipment.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Probably would, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The next the next place we ran into was the
the n Y S So it was the New York
Haunted History Trail. There's a company that does paranormal ghost
tours in upstate New York. Yeah, and their their primary
attraction is booking the tour at the historic Phelps Mansion,
(17:07):
which is in Binghamton. So that looks pretty cool. If
we ever wanted to venture out to upstate New York
and go check out a haunted mansion. Awesome, I'm gonna
start naming off some other one oddly fascinating.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We sell weird ship. That's when it says right on
the card.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Now it was one of the vendors that had a
bunch of very oddities and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, they're out of Prussia, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And then we got the Boo Crew paranormal.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, so those are the guys he was saying. He
works at uh the Penners Asylum. Yeah, so they were
actually trading work for time to uh to investigate essentially,
and so that's how they that's how they started doing
their their paranormal investigation.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Was that a Penhurst, which is pretty pretty ingenious if
you think about it, if you don't have a lot
of money but you still want.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
To set up a stand.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, and not just that, but you want a really
cool place to investigate that you know is active in
the paranormal. Penhurst is definitely one of those. And I
know it's it's probably not cheap to go there and
investigate all the time, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So there, you know the one, this one I really
want to fall off with this guy because this guy
looked like he was legit. Yeah. Vincent kleinb okay who
was at vince at the Urban Investigation dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So this guy, yeah, okay, this guy.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Pretty much his bread and butter is doing is setting
up urban exploration tours.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, he's also been He's also been on some TV
shows too, Right.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He's been on a couple of TV.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
He's helped a lot of the like the paranormal investigations, and.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
He's worked with with ghost Hunters.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He sets up the the permits and the all the
stuff that they need to get access to go into
the buildings.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, it's definitely something that's necessary in all sharing amal investigations.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But I mean, dude, this guy is a savage man.
He was out of like I forget I think he
said he was from like Missouri or some shit like that. Yeah,
but like, bro, remember when I started rattling all the
all the abandoned places I've been to in New England,
He's like yeah, yeah, yeah, like he's been all.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
So like, this guy definitely not fucking around.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That's definitely a contact that I want to I'm following
him on Facebook, I mean Instagram. Yeah, and just by
going through his Instagram ship, this guy's just seem so
many fucking places.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, he's definitely definitely big time.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, so I definitely want to stay in touch with
that guy because God knows, you know, maybe set up
a sick urban exploration in the near future with him
and do it the right way so we don't have
to worry about the fucking cops kicking in the door,
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Then there was Biab County Paranormal.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, they were another investigatible paranormal activities personal property or
business Gever County. I don't know is that is that
Pennsylvania Beaver County. It doesn't say it in the park.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I have no idea. I don't know what. I don't
know whether they're out of I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
All right, Well, then there was Tap the Taps family,
which was empirical paranormal.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah. I've been seeing them since I followed them on
Facebook and Instagram. I've been seeing a lot of their posts.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Oh they've been kicking since two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, they've been at it for a while. And then
I asked them about how you become a member of
the Taps family and what they had to do. When
they said it was a lot of hoops to jump through,
a lot of ways that you had to prove yourself
and make sure that you know, it seemed like a lot.
I'm not gonna lie, you.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Know what about just like what's something extremely insane in
front of me?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And if I can handle it, can I.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Make it extremely insane?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Like Joe, if they were like yo, if you guys
can navigate one night through and payalist mansion in the.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I don't think those are I don't think those are
quite the hoops that are talking about jumping through, because
I mean, what's funny is like you see those shows
and I always laugh about this. You see the shows
where the people are are cateringel investigating and something happens,
like something makes a noise and they run or they
yell or they're all like freaking out, like you you
(22:41):
went there looking for ghosts? Why are you scared of ghosts?
Just catch just you know.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I've had opposite reactions like what was that? Like, let's
stay in this.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Room, like you know, yeah, I don't know, maybe we'll maybe
we're just weird.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I don't know who is it that they They weren't
there the guys from Ghost Adventures that Aaron. I think
it's Aaron Goodwin. He's the second guy that cameraman or whatever.
I like his reactions because his he doesn't like yell,
he doesn't scream, he doesn't run, but you just see
(23:22):
his mouth drape open and his eyes go wicked wide.
He just gets real quiet, but you see, you see
it all in his face, Like you can see him
yelling in his like being scared of ship in his face.
I always thought that was funny. It's probably the same
face he made when he found out his wife trying
to hire a hitman to kill him.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
He makes like a fucking three stooges face.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, it just goes Yeah, it's like a cartoon jaw
on the floor exactly. But anyways, who else did we meet?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
A hold on, I had to get up, my dog
was acting weird.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
We met Third Eye Event Productions.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay, so this is the girl that does the very
gothic girl with the shaved head that does the special effects.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah. You talked to her for a while, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I did. She's out of Jersey.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
She she actually told me to send her some kill
scenes from the the screenplay. Yeah, and she can give
me some quotes and prices as to what she'd charged.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
For the for like the gore and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Also that that's definitely somebody I want to stay in
touch with.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I remember, I remember the last year when we
went there. There was some place that had like production
companies and that, and I remember being like, you know,
now that you're writing, you've got the screenplay, it's almost done.
It's time to start talking to those people, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah that I I took her card.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I saved it in my phone, and uh, yeah, I'm
gonna start sending her out some kids.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I'm going to send her out the first kill scene.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, just to see because most of my budget is
going to go to fucking the gore, you know what
I mean. So I gotta start seeing where the prices
are going to be so I can come.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Up with a more accurate budget.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So, Yeah, I had a good talk with her.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
She was very open at coming up to Massachusetts and
you know, doing her thing awesome, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Helping us out. So that's definitely a big contact.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The next one was the Long Island Paranormal Investigators. They've
been kicking around since March with two thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, they have some they have some cool places that
they that they've been to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
There they talked about they did a bunch of investigations
in mono talk.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, because we were talking about the stranger things and that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, they were they knew all about it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
They're definitely somebody we want to want to keep in
touch with if we decided to shoot out the Mano
Talk this summer, because that's definitely been on the list
for a for a.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
While now, it definitely has.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, so it'd be nice to kind of meet somebody who.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Knows their way around there and.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Maybe they could show us some things that we normally
wouldn't know to see because we know we've never fucking
been there.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely good.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So, yeah, so when we decided to shoot out to
Mama Talk hopefully this summer, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
We should probably drop.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Them alive, Yeah, we definitely will. Yeah, they had some
good investigations going on, They had some good they had
a lot of good pictures in their booth. Seemed like
they had a lot of good stories.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, they had some spooky ass pictures in their booths
that are very unexplainable.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Then there was.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Another one to get out Aaron Onmo in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh yeah, what did that guy say? He drove like
thirty one hours, yeah to get the Pennhurst. Yep, that's
a long drive, man. But he also said, like you know,
we were sweating Saturday and it was hot, and he's like, man,
this is a cool day for.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Us over and ten degrees.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's like, it's that dead out why you're even sweat
right now?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
But those they were definitely cool. Then the Dark Hollow paranormal.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
What were they out of?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It doesn't say on the card.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I do remember that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Just so many people dig into like Ouiji boards and
like seances and ship.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, okay, they kind of creeped me.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Out a little bit. I don't I don't know if
I want.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
That.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well, you know, with your history with Wigi boards, you know, yeah,
I just I rather than not. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And then another Long Island investigator was Emily Grando's Yeah, Long.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Island Paranormal.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Long Island Paranormal Investigators, So well, I see.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I yeah, yeah, that was the guy that was to
the right over.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I got the vibe this year that there was less
content creators and more people just hawk and ship.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah. I mean, I would say as far as like
paralormal investigative teams, there was probably about the same. There
were no other I don't think there were any other
podcasters there. There were no podcasters intents like there was
the year prior.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Besides Raven, Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He doesn't have a podcast now, but he didn't have
one last year, So I mean it's I don't know
if you would consider that the same or not, because
he I mean, he was there. He sells pictures, he
takes he takes really high quality pictures when he's at yeah,
when he's on an investigation, and he takes great pictures
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to play that he that he's been to, especially the
asylums and the hospitals. And then his bomb also has
some some trinkets and stuff there. I don't really know
what they were. They were like little houses and stuff.
I don't know, the bird houses, elaborate art, yeah, some
of the art stuff, some oddity type art. And then
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of course he does the you know, investigations where he
brings people along to places like the out in Indiana,
the asylums in Indiana and Ohio. He does that, but
then he also does he started the podcast He started
his own podcasts over the over the last year, but
there were no other podcasters who were just podcasters, you
(30:46):
know what I mean. M Like the year before we
saw there were several and there was some that were
actually recording while we were there, you know, live from Penhurst.
None of them, I mean maybe there were other ones
walked around like us. You know, it would be nice
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to be a vendor, but instead we just walk around
with our T shirts and handing out business cards.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah, like the.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It worked, it worked.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, but yeah, I think you're right. I think they were.
We didn't see them.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So then there was another guy named Tom Carnwell who
was really into the UFOs.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, the ufologists, ufo ologists.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
He's written several books.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And he had a big map sitting behind him that
had all the had pins for all the UFO sightings
from in only five years, from twenty eleven to twenty sixteen,
and it just I mean, would you say, like what
would you say? That covered? Like they covered a fair
amount of the map of the United States, right.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
A fair amount of New England was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
A lot many Yeah, new it was crazy. The West
coast was crazy. You could see like there was a
whole bunch out to the ninety eighth meridian whatever that
line is, the middle and then you know, obviously there's
that big space where there's a low population, there's not
as many sightings there. But it was ah, yeah, I
definitely followed the density.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
There's a lot in Florida. Florida too, had a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, And it was just I mean, I was like, really,
that's that's I was like, is that just for those
five years or is that when you did the counting
He's like, no, that was that's just for those five years,
because if we did it for the next five years whatever,
we could probably do the same, it would probably be
about the same. Like, holy shit, that's a lot. There's
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a lot of UFO sightings. I didn't quite realize how many.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, man, definitely a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, but he was, Uh, it was interesting to talk to.
I already mentioned see I have all right, did did
I already mentioned imperiodic.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Uh imperiodical paranormal?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, Okay, I might have double cards here, Joe.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yah. You also have all my cards, all the ones
that I grabbed. Oh, I left the.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Ravin Legends out of Long Island parallel.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Okay, who else?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, let me go through these cards and I'm shuffling,
uh residual.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Haunts Okay, that's one we haven't talked about yet.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
That's all the cards says, and it has a QR
code on the on the thing.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Okay, I don't remember who it was though, sister sinister FX,
this is another one that does special effects.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I thought that was the girl with the Yes, yeah
it was her, same same person.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Same person. Sorry about that. Um now it's beam fisted.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Uh. I think that's it, brother. I think we covered
all the cards nice all right.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, so that's all the people we got cards from.
M hm and uh yeah, I'll have to put a
post or something on Instagram and shout all them out.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And uh there was some weird guy hawking tar angelis
who was originally from Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That guy was that was funny. The guy said that
what did he say that Phoenixville was a dump? And
then but he's the.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He's howking scorpions and tarantulas.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Guy, guy who was breeding tarantula's tells us, oh he
said something. No, he said something about the hotel we
were staying at.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, says if we got hepatitis.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Like, oh you know where you staying in Phoenixville. All
the main stage was surprised you survived, like, you know,
without happatitis or something like that, Like says the guy
who's got fucking tarantula's and scorpions and fucking bugs.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I mentioned the tarantula and the girl would for them.
I'm like, don't he's gonna open the fucking box, don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Oh, she was ready, she was ready to hand you
that thing.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, fuck that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
You're not a bug guy, man.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
No, No, that's a that's a rare breed. I'm not
knocking it. But people who are into that stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I feel like, Uh, that's a rare, rare breed of people.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I don't like. I gotta I got enough of
a problem trying to keep spiders out of my house.
I'm not gonna pay to bring them into my house.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
No, Now with that, what about the uh? What about
the guy with the long beard who was talking to
you about all kinds of crazy shit?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Oh my god, I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I hope I have his card here somewhere, because Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Said he was talking to your ear off about some
crazy ship and you were just like, yeah, I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
It was like an alien fireball that he saw in Wichita, Kansas,
and a cop like shot at it, and the bullets
like when into.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It, but like didn't exit it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
And ship. Yeah, that's fun. It's a fun conversation.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Look, and I mean you gotta you go to a
you go to the para con and an audience expo,
like you gotta suspend your disbelief, you know what I mean.
You can't go in there full on skeptic and just
be like, I don't believe any of this ship, Like,
you gotta you gotta be open minded about this stuff.
But sometimes, man, you start talking to somebody, it's just like,
whoa buddy, what the fuck is happening right now?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah? I feel like that was one of them conversation
as well. I was glad you said to me because
I was going down a wacky road with that man.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You know. Oh, there was one dude, I think it
was the I think it was the Beavertail or whatever,
Beaver County, and I was I don't think I talked
to him because I was trying to talk to him
and some and a woman was up there telling him
all about her all about her experiences. And she was
saying what was she saying? She was saying something about
(38:08):
how she was sensitive, she could talk to ghosts. But
then she had gone in for surgery and when she
got out she no longer had the gift anymore, and
so I was.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Like, like, I just gotta I can go find something
else to do, you know, Go talk to somebody else here,
Go listen to this, Go listen to one of the
speakers or something.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
But how many times do you think, like ghost hunters
and and paranormal investigation and like, how many times do
you think they get approached by people with crazy stories
like that?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I guarantee it's all the time. I mean, honestly, like
most people think that most people when you talk to
him about just goos in general, like a lot of
people don't believe that stuff at all. A lot of
people don't believe about believing bigfoot, aliens, a lot of
the stuff that we talk about, you know, either in
(39:11):
general or with the people that we kind of kind
of hang around with this, you know. But I don't know, man,
I mean, what's well, let me ask you this, since
we're since we're on this subject, what's what would be
a bridge too far for you? Man? Like, as far
(39:32):
as you get to a point somebody says, you're talking
about whatever it is, ghosts, aliens, cryptids, bigfoot, Jersey devil, whatever,
and they say something and you're like, yeah, I don't
believe what what's what's too far for you? What where
do you stop believing and stuff?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I feel I hate to say this, but I feel.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Like with Bigfoot we would have found a corpse or
something by now.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, so you think that big bigfoots to British too
far for you?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
That's it kind of is dude.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I mean at this point, if you see that original
nineteen sixties video, it's clearly a dude inside a suit.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Like, honestly, I've said the same thing about that video,
like there's some other videos out there that are more
compelling that one is just for me that that video
is not compelling for me. I think that guy even
came out and said it was a hoax at some point,
but nobody believed him because they were like, people believe
the video too much.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
So it's like, I feel like with Bigfoot, we would
have found a corpse. Aliens, I don't know, because it's
there's so many theories to Aliens.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
That I don't know what I would believe or not believe.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, I've heard stories that people think that they have
like bases out in the middle of the ocean, and
that's why we can't like find them.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, I've heard those ones before, heard the whole interdimensional
creature thing.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Time, because like if people don't realize like.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Only like allegedly only.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Like twenty percent of the ocean has been explored. Oh yeah,
so there's a lot of ocean, vast ocean that like
we've never seen before or explored. Yeah, so it's very
possible for if if aliens did exist, they could be about,
(41:48):
you know, hundreds of miles off the coast somewhere, or
or even thousands of miles in the middle of the
ocean and you don't even know you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I have been here. I have been hearing more
and more about that the ocean's you know, the alien
ocean theory. I've also heard about the theory that Bigfoot
is more of a what would you call him, an
interdimensional creature or ethereal or something where he's not from
(42:22):
this dimension and that's why we don't find bodies.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
We don't find They say the same thing about aliens though, too.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
There's a lot of theories about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, they see the things I fucking thing about aliens
that they walk amongst us, but they're in like kind
of like ghosts, they're in a different dimension.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Another thing too that I wanted to bring up that
I didn't really notice until after we left pericon or actually, yeah,
after we left PERICN, I was going through all the
social media feeds and I was looking for different people
that we saw, the people that we spotted, you know,
stuff like that. I think there's there's a lot of
(43:08):
drama as far as in the paranormal community, as far
as like people who are legit and people who are
just trying to make money off of it.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Oh yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And so what was interesting is that I feel like
there's I almost feel like there's a ghost Hunter's crowd
and there's a Ghost Adventures crowd, you know what I mean.
I don't know if you you know. The ghost Hunter
show was like Jason Hawes, the Taps family stuff like that.
The Ghost Adventures is like Zach Began's Aaron Goodwin. And
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then Nick Groff and Testagroff were actually part of it,
but they were kind of ostracized. And then they were
there at the Penhurst as the celebrities and guests beef
like they had they had beef with the ghost Hunter.
When they left Ghost Hunters, they had beef with them,
and there's some controversy back and forth, and I don't know,
(44:07):
I wonder if, like we're going to have to at
some point pick a camp, you know what I mean.
Was just thinking the same thing, take a side, do.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
We go way to just stay neutral, to just be
a Can we be Switzerland?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Please? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I like it?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
No, dude, it was it was. It was a lot
to see. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
We did the traditional we went walls to the walls and.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Passed out at like five o'clock in the in the evening.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, that happened again, and it was just it was cool. Man.
Looking back on it now, it's like, god, damn, it
went by so fast.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
But it always does.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It always does, man.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, so hell of one to go to. Man, the
Pennersh Asylum is absolutely awesome. Oh yeah, yeah. We need
to think about going to some other para cons or
audit expos in some other places, but this is definitely
one that I would go back to. You know, we've
done it two years in a row now. I would
(45:23):
definitely go there as a vender. And I mean, it's
a good time. Even if you're just going there to
check things out, to check out the asylum, to speak
with people, to see the celebrities. It's definitely a good one.
It's a big one. It's awesome. If you go next year,
make sure you leave early, get a jump on the
(45:46):
traffic because it was crazy. Oh yeah. But anyways, well
that's it. Thanks for listening, guys. We've had a great time,
and see you on Monday with the horror movie Monday
Review and then see after that. We'll be talking about
Gettysburgh for the next week or.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Two, Yes we will.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Sounds good, all right. As we always say, get out there,
find your spirits. Allo
She used to get visited by people at night that
died in the mills.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
There is a shadow figure standing right next to where
the pictures are on the wall that we had just been.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
At about ten minutes ago. Right when we crossed the bridge.
I saw something.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And as I walk into the hallway, I feel like
I see a little girl out of the right corner
of my eye.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dude, I see this fucking man quick one too, like
blink my eyes for three seconds and he's fucking gone through.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
The inn is haunted by three ghosts. He says, there's
the general, there's a little girl.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
All of a sudden, just gets this weirdest feeling today,
just got really cold all of a sudden. It's like,
kinda within a minute of saying that, we see two
blonde hair, blue eyed children.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hear them come up the stairs, but I don't see
the light any here or anything. Ferdie went back down to
get it, and about five minutes later he comes up
the stairs and he's got the light in hand, and
I'm like, dude, what'd you do? You forget the light
downstairs the first time? And he's like, what do you mean?
He's like, I heard you come up the stairs. I
didn't see a light. Peers like, dude, wasn't that wasn't me.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
There's a weird feeling about it. We turned, we walk.
These kids are fucking gon too.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
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the tails, hike the trails, and raise a glass to
the spirits, both spectral and distilled, who wait for us
at the tavern's door. Welcome back another episode of Tails
Trails of Taverns. This is the post Paracon debrief, as
we like to do. Obviously, if everybody listened last week
(02:39):
it was the pre para con. We were getting ready
to head out there to Pennsylvania. And last weekend, uh,
we spent the weeknd in Pennsylvania. We got to go
back to Paracon check it, check it out again out
of the Penhurst Asylum with all lovely people that showed up.
There were so many people there this week.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
There was twice as many people and twice as many vendors.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Had to have been, absolutely had to have been.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It was such a zoom. Saturday.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it was a great time though, man, as always
like Saturday. The weather, the weather was good. I mean
it was hot Saturday. It wasn't as hot Sunday, but
the weather was good for it. You know, we didn't
get we didn't get soaked out like we did last year.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, we had a great time. I feel like
it always goes by so fast.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It does go by fast. Yeah, I mean there was
a little issue with the parking on the way in
there on Saturday morning. They kind of closed it off
to one side and it's not the side that the
GPS directions actually take you to, so a lot of
people like us got confused about which way to go in,
and then once we were going in, there was this
weird funnel going on shut everything down for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You remember, Raving said that people were going on Facebook
leaving wicked, nasty reviews.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Bro I believe it. I mean, we were in Phoenixville.
Phoenixville was fifteen minutes from Penhurst Asylum, and it took
us hour and a half or more to get in.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean we were at the gates of Powerkon by
nine five and we didn't get in there until eleven thirty.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's almost two hours.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know. We had VIP tickets, so we were supposed
to get in there an hour and a half earlier
than general admission. We got into at the same time.
As we were walking up, as we were getting ready
to get our ticket stubs and our our lanyards, they
were already the general admission was coming right in behind us.
The early admission part of the VIP pass wasn't applicable
(04:28):
for Saturday for us. Everything else we still had, I
mean access to the buildings, access to new buildings.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Which the tunnel was cool as fuck too.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, they had some tunnel sections open. They had the
industry building at the beginning there that was open, that
was new, So that was super cool to get into.
We went to Gettysburg the day before on the way
up to I say, on the way to Penhurst, but hones.
We drove two hours past Penhurst to go to Gettysburg
and it was worth it. It was worth it. We
(05:00):
could have gone three days ahead of time and still
spent you know, you could spend days at Gettysburg.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Oh yeah, so much to say, so much history there.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So you if you folks.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Want to, you know, listen to our little story about Gettysburg,
you're just gonna have to tune until next week. Sorry,
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, we'll we'll dive into the dive into Gettysburg and
talk about our experience there in the history and everything
next week. This week, para con Man.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Back to Penhurst. Oh and so I know we were
just talking about this before, but we stayed in Phoenixville
and there was the Colonial Theater. The movie The Blob
was part of. It was filmed there, and it was
film in the area. What I was just thinking of
was in nineteen fifty eight, when that movie came out,
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Penhurst was still an active asylum.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So that fifteen minute drive away. Those they were, they
were right outside the Penhurst. You know, State Hospital was
still an active hospital back then. They were out there,
they were out there gardening, they were out there working.
All those people were living there, living there. I wouldn't
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say living the dream, no, but it was an active
asylum back then.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Probably in its heyday too, probably.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean the fifties were like a day of mental institutions.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So yeah, we met a lot interesting uh well, we walked.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Around like we always do, yep, and then we we
started talking to a lot of vendors and I got it,
like Joe has already mentioned, like we there was twice
as many vendors.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
This year as they was last year.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They really it feels like there was more open spaces
last year, where like this year, every ounce of space
was utilized.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. I definitely felt like it, like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They definitely added more vendor, boots, more, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think they probably had they had bigger celebrities.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They well yeah, I mean they had that guy with
Josh Josh Gates.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, well that guy's fucking line was unbelievable the whole time.
Saturday and Sunday, people were waiting well over two hours
to see Josh Gates. We I didn't go and visit
any celebrities this time.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think part of that was is that I.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Had just done the ct Horfs in Stanford and I'd
spent like five hundred dollars on meet and greets and autographs. Yeah,
and I just did not feel like going down that
rabbit hole again. Because once you saw a business like
going to see these people and getting the meet and
greets in the autographs, dude, you go through money real quick.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, it's definitely expensive when you want to start doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And I think somebody even told me too, like one
of the girls from from Twilight was charging fifty dollars
eighty dollars just for a picture and that's not including
an autograph.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And when I heard that, I was like, fuck that
noise even.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And it's interesting because she played she played a character
in the first movie. It's for Shechelle, right, Chelle. I'm
never going to say her name right the first time.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
She was the girlfriend of the vampire that wanted to
kill Kristen Stewart in the first one.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well you would know man, you watched all those movies.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, yeah, forcefully.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But she only played that character in the first movie.
She was replaced for the second movie.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Did not know that much, did not know.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That, so her character didn't even stay on. Well, the
character stayed on, but she didn't stay on playing the
character for more than She only played that character in
one movie and it was replaced in the next. The
rest of them, And she's still charging eighty dollars for
a picture. That's fine, no, thank you. Gotta make your
money somehow, I guess. Yeah, I don't know what else.
(09:37):
I don't know what else she's from. She could be
very probably with other movies, but they were.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I'm sure that's not her own the fame.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm sure she's got some other acting accolades under her belt.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
It's just I I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Feel like they just had her for that one.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, I was curious to go meet the guy
that played Mike Myers and Rob Zombie ones. But like
I said, it's like I just gone to that Rigama
roll two weeks prior. Yeah, and I just I know
how expensive those fucking things can get, and I just
I didn't feel like going down the road again.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I'm not. Really, I'm not. I don't really care
to meet celebrities, dude, honestly, Like, I'm not, That's not
my thing. I'm not standing in the line just to
shake someone's hand and get their autograph.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean if you, you know, if you're into that,
that's that's great for you. You know, more power to you.
It's just it's not my thing. So like with you
not wanting to do it, I don't want to do
it anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I mean it was cool when I did it with
the Terrifyer cast because I love those movies and my
daughter really loves those movies, right, Yeah, but like, yeah,
it's it's not really my thing either, Joe, to be
honest with you, Yeah, I've gone to many a comic
cons before and been like, oh, there's.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You know Kurt Angle, or oh is somebody that played
in that movie? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I mean it was it is cool to see him,
and I don't mind. I don't mind seeing him from Afar,
you know the same. You know, if you go to
a concert or something you see him up on stage,
that's whatever, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I didn't say this when I met Jeff Daniel Phillips,
and I told him that, you know, the podcasts and
how we're working on a screenplay.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
They got me and him.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Did have a really good tournament conversation. Yeah, yeah, so
that was worth the price of admission. Yeah with that guy,
you know what I mean? Yeah, so you do get that.
I mean, now, I remember one time I went to
a comic con price about eight nine years ago, and
(11:52):
I talked to Jake the Snake Roberts for like thirty
minutes because he had no one in his line at all.
Literally he had no one who's line and it's fucking
Jake the Snake Roberts.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, the guy's a living legend.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Uh So yeah, I mean I have had those type
of experiences celebrities.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But yeah, So there were also a lot of different vendors.
There were people who were selling wares obviously, but then
there were also a lot of paranormal investigator teams. There was,
I mean, what else was there there? There was guys
like cards real quick, Yeah, if you want to start,
if you want to, yah, we'll go through the cards.
Just talk, you know, bring one up and we'll talk
(12:42):
about what we thought.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, so do do do we.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Got Okay, that one doesn't really apply.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
This is the one about the forces.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I don't think that that applies too much.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Beam fist. Yeah, there was this guy selling this special
patent made uh patent hand made flashlight which was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Actually, you put it, you wear it on your wrist
like a watch, and then there's a trigger on the
finger where you can press.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
The button to turn the light on or off.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's essentially a hands free flashlight that he's got.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It's Yeah, it's essentially a hands free flashlight. You can
charge it with a USB cable with a Type C charger,
and allegedly it illuminates up to three and forty feet.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was pretty bright. It had
had what like three different had two different.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Sad angs, one for infrared and one for just normal.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah. I had like a high beam, low beam, the flicker,
you know that, the pulsating light, and then the red light.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
For what it's worth, it was very reasonably priced at
forty dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's all it was. Yeah, I didn't see what the
price was, but yeah, I mean, definitely very cool.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Just because it's like I'm just comfortable with the flashlight
in one hand and like literally when I urbed explore,
which is something that I would that's probably the only
thing I would use.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That being light for.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, it's constantly in my hand. I'm taking like one
hundreds of picture as well. I'm just walking. Yeah, so
I don't it wouldn't be very practical.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
To me, right, But I mean I could see the
use in.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It, Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And it's beamfist dot com. So b e a M
FIST F I s T dot com. Yes, you can
check that out. They're also I found them on Instagram,
followed them and it looks like it's available on Amazon.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Cool, I mean, more power to them.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's it looks like a great product, and I'm sure
there's a there's a market for it, and I hope that.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I wish the guy nothing but success.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So it says a Stealth wrisk w R I S
T and it's an acronym for Wired Remote Illuminating Spotlight Tool.
Very cool. I like, erwy did that?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I mean, I see how you know, you know who
would really benefit from that, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You, one of the urban explorers that you hang.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Out with, m that I'm not just not.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'm honestly like police force and military.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
That would probably yeah, yeah, I mean if you had
if you had a light you could put on your wrist.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, well, while you hold a firearm in the other one,
that could be very useful.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean you can hold them. You can have the
firearm in the same same arm. You get the wrist
light on.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You can see what you're shooting at the dark.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
That's why I said, like for police force and military,
I actually feel like it would be a good.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Good use of equipment.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Probably would, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The next the next place we ran into was the
the n Y S So it was the New York
Haunted History Trail. There's a company that does paranormal ghost
tours in upstate New York. Yeah, and their their primary
attraction is booking the tour at the historic Phelps Mansion,
(17:07):
which is in Binghamton. So that looks pretty cool. If
we ever wanted to venture out to upstate New York
and go check out a haunted mansion. Awesome, I'm gonna
start naming off some other one oddly fascinating.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We sell weird ship. That's when it says right on
the card.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Now it was one of the vendors that had a
bunch of very oddities and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, they're out of Prussia, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And then we got the Boo Crew paranormal.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, so those are the guys he was saying. He
works at uh the Penners Asylum. Yeah, so they were
actually trading work for time to uh to investigate essentially,
and so that's how they that's how they started doing
their their paranormal investigation.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Was that a Penhurst, which is pretty pretty ingenious if
you think about it, if you don't have a lot
of money but you still want.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
To set up a stand.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, and not just that, but you want a really
cool place to investigate that you know is active in
the paranormal. Penhurst is definitely one of those. And I
know it's it's probably not cheap to go there and
investigate all the time, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So there, you know the one, this one I really
want to fall off with this guy because this guy
looked like he was legit. Yeah. Vincent kleinb okay who
was at vince at the Urban Investigation dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So this guy, yeah, okay, this guy.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Pretty much his bread and butter is doing is setting
up urban exploration tours.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, he's also been He's also been on some TV
shows too, Right.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He's been on a couple of TV.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
He's helped a lot of the like the paranormal investigations, and.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
He's worked with with ghost Hunters.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He sets up the the permits and the all the
stuff that they need to get access to go into
the buildings.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, it's definitely something that's necessary in all sharing amal investigations.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But I mean, dude, this guy is a savage man.
He was out of like I forget I think he
said he was from like Missouri or some shit like that. Yeah,
but like, bro, remember when I started rattling all the
all the abandoned places I've been to in New England,
He's like yeah, yeah, yeah, like he's been all.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
So like, this guy definitely not fucking around.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That's definitely a contact that I want to I'm following
him on Facebook, I mean Instagram. Yeah, and just by
going through his Instagram ship, this guy's just seem so
many fucking places.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, he's definitely definitely big time.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, so I definitely want to stay in touch with
that guy because God knows, you know, maybe set up
a sick urban exploration in the near future with him
and do it the right way so we don't have
to worry about the fucking cops kicking in the door,
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Then there was Biab County Paranormal.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, they were another investigatible paranormal activities personal property or
business Gever County. I don't know is that is that
Pennsylvania Beaver County. It doesn't say it in the park.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I have no idea. I don't know what. I don't
know whether they're out of I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
All right, Well, then there was Tap the Taps family,
which was empirical paranormal.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah. I've been seeing them since I followed them on
Facebook and Instagram. I've been seeing a lot of their posts.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Oh they've been kicking since two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, they've been at it for a while. And then
I asked them about how you become a member of
the Taps family and what they had to do. When
they said it was a lot of hoops to jump through,
a lot of ways that you had to prove yourself
and make sure that you know, it seemed like a lot.
I'm not gonna lie, you.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Know what about just like what's something extremely insane in
front of me?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And if I can handle it, can I.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Make it extremely insane?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Like Joe, if they were like yo, if you guys
can navigate one night through and payalist mansion in the.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I don't think those are I don't think those are
quite the hoops that are talking about jumping through, because
I mean, what's funny is like you see those shows
and I always laugh about this. You see the shows
where the people are are cateringel investigating and something happens,
like something makes a noise and they run or they
yell or they're all like freaking out, like you you
(22:41):
went there looking for ghosts? Why are you scared of ghosts?
Just catch just you know.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I've had opposite reactions like what was that? Like, let's
stay in this.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Room, like you know, yeah, I don't know, maybe we'll maybe
we're just weird.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I don't know who is it that they They weren't
there the guys from Ghost Adventures that Aaron. I think
it's Aaron Goodwin. He's the second guy that cameraman or whatever.
I like his reactions because his he doesn't like yell,
he doesn't scream, he doesn't run, but you just see
(23:22):
his mouth drape open and his eyes go wicked wide.
He just gets real quiet, but you see, you see
it all in his face, Like you can see him
yelling in his like being scared of ship in his face.
I always thought that was funny. It's probably the same
face he made when he found out his wife trying
to hire a hitman to kill him.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
He makes like a fucking three stooges face.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, it just goes Yeah, it's like a cartoon jaw
on the floor exactly. But anyways, who else did we meet?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
A hold on, I had to get up, my dog
was acting weird.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
We met Third Eye Event Productions.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay, so this is the girl that does the very
gothic girl with the shaved head that does the special effects.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah. You talked to her for a while, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I did. She's out of Jersey.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
She she actually told me to send her some kill
scenes from the the screenplay. Yeah, and she can give
me some quotes and prices as to what she'd charged.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
For the for like the gore and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Also that that's definitely somebody I want to stay in
touch with.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I remember, I remember the last year when we
went there. There was some place that had like production
companies and that, and I remember being like, you know,
now that you're writing, you've got the screenplay, it's almost done.
It's time to start talking to those people, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah that I I took her card.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I saved it in my phone, and uh, yeah, I'm
gonna start sending her out some kids.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I'm going to send her out the first kill scene.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, just to see because most of my budget is
going to go to fucking the gore, you know what
I mean. So I gotta start seeing where the prices
are going to be so I can come.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Up with a more accurate budget.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So, Yeah, I had a good talk with her.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
She was very open at coming up to Massachusetts and
you know, doing her thing awesome, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Helping us out. So that's definitely a big contact.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The next one was the Long Island Paranormal Investigators. They've
been kicking around since March with two thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, they have some they have some cool places that
they that they've been to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
There they talked about they did a bunch of investigations
in mono talk.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, because we were talking about the stranger things and that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, they were they knew all about it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
They're definitely somebody we want to want to keep in
touch with if we decided to shoot out the Mano
Talk this summer, because that's definitely been on the list
for a for a.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
While now, it definitely has.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, so it'd be nice to kind of meet somebody who.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Knows their way around there and.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Maybe they could show us some things that we normally
wouldn't know to see because we know we've never fucking
been there.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely good.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So, yeah, so when we decided to shoot out to
Mama Talk hopefully this summer, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
We should probably drop.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Them alive, Yeah, we definitely will. Yeah, they had some
good investigations going on, They had some good they had
a lot of good pictures in their booth. Seemed like
they had a lot of good stories.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, they had some spooky ass pictures in their booths
that are very unexplainable.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Then there was.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Another one to get out Aaron Onmo in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh yeah, what did that guy say? He drove like
thirty one hours, yeah to get the Pennhurst. Yep, that's
a long drive, man. But he also said, like you know,
we were sweating Saturday and it was hot, and he's like, man,
this is a cool day for.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Us over and ten degrees.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's like, it's that dead out why you're even sweat
right now?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
But those they were definitely cool. Then the Dark Hollow paranormal.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
What were they out of?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It doesn't say on the card.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I do remember that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Just so many people dig into like Ouiji boards and
like seances and ship.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, okay, they kind of creeped me.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Out a little bit. I don't I don't know if
I want.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
That.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well, you know, with your history with Wigi boards, you know, yeah,
I just I rather than not. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And then another Long Island investigator was Emily Grando's Yeah, Long.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Island Paranormal.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Long Island Paranormal Investigators, So well, I see.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I yeah, yeah, that was the guy that was to
the right over.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I got the vibe this year that there was less
content creators and more people just hawk and ship.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah. I mean, I would say as far as like
paralormal investigative teams, there was probably about the same. There
were no other I don't think there were any other
podcasters there. There were no podcasters intents like there was
the year prior.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Besides Raven, Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He doesn't have a podcast now, but he didn't have
one last year, So I mean it's I don't know
if you would consider that the same or not, because
he I mean, he was there. He sells pictures, he
takes he takes really high quality pictures when he's at yeah,
when he's on an investigation, and he takes great pictures
(29:59):
to play that he that he's been to, especially the
asylums and the hospitals. And then his bomb also has
some some trinkets and stuff there. I don't really know
what they were. They were like little houses and stuff.
I don't know, the bird houses, elaborate art, yeah, some
of the art stuff, some oddity type art. And then
(30:25):
of course he does the you know, investigations where he
brings people along to places like the out in Indiana,
the asylums in Indiana and Ohio. He does that, but
then he also does he started the podcast He started
his own podcasts over the over the last year, but
there were no other podcasters who were just podcasters, you
(30:46):
know what I mean. M Like the year before we
saw there were several and there was some that were
actually recording while we were there, you know, live from Penhurst.
None of them, I mean maybe there were other ones
walked around like us. You know, it would be nice
(31:07):
to be a vendor, but instead we just walk around
with our T shirts and handing out business cards.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah, like the.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It worked, it worked.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, but yeah, I think you're right. I think they were.
We didn't see them.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So then there was another guy named Tom Carnwell who
was really into the UFOs.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, the ufologists, ufo ologists.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
He's written several books.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And he had a big map sitting behind him that
had all the had pins for all the UFO sightings
from in only five years, from twenty eleven to twenty sixteen,
and it just I mean, would you say, like what
would you say? That covered? Like they covered a fair
amount of the map of the United States, right.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
A fair amount of New England was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
A lot many Yeah, new it was crazy. The West
coast was crazy. You could see like there was a
whole bunch out to the ninety eighth meridian whatever that
line is, the middle and then you know, obviously there's
that big space where there's a low population, there's not
as many sightings there. But it was ah, yeah, I
definitely followed the density.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
There's a lot in Florida. Florida too, had a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, And it was just I mean, I was like, really,
that's that's I was like, is that just for those
five years or is that when you did the counting
He's like, no, that was that's just for those five years,
because if we did it for the next five years whatever,
we could probably do the same, it would probably be
about the same. Like, holy shit, that's a lot. There's
(32:51):
a lot of UFO sightings. I didn't quite realize how many.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, man, definitely a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, but he was, Uh, it was interesting to talk to.
I already mentioned see I have all right, did did
I already mentioned imperiodic.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Uh imperiodical paranormal?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, Okay, I might have double cards here, Joe.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yah. You also have all my cards, all the ones
that I grabbed. Oh, I left the.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Ravin Legends out of Long Island parallel.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Okay, who else?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, let me go through these cards and I'm shuffling,
uh residual.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Haunts Okay, that's one we haven't talked about yet.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
That's all the cards says, and it has a QR
code on the on the thing.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Okay, I don't remember who it was though, sister sinister FX,
this is another one that does special effects.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I thought that was the girl with the Yes, yeah
it was her, same same person.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Same person. Sorry about that. Um now it's beam fisted.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Uh. I think that's it, brother. I think we covered
all the cards nice all right.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, so that's all the people we got cards from.
M hm and uh yeah, I'll have to put a
post or something on Instagram and shout all them out.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And uh there was some weird guy hawking tar angelis
who was originally from Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That guy was that was funny. The guy said that
what did he say that Phoenixville was a dump? And
then but he's the.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He's howking scorpions and tarantulas.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Guy, guy who was breeding tarantula's tells us, oh he
said something. No, he said something about the hotel we
were staying at.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, says if we got hepatitis.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Like, oh you know where you staying in Phoenixville. All
the main stage was surprised you survived, like, you know,
without happatitis or something like that, Like says the guy
who's got fucking tarantula's and scorpions and fucking bugs.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I mentioned the tarantula and the girl would for them.
I'm like, don't he's gonna open the fucking box, don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Oh, she was ready, she was ready to hand you
that thing.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, fuck that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
You're not a bug guy, man.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
No, No, that's a that's a rare breed. I'm not
knocking it. But people who are into that stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I feel like, Uh, that's a rare, rare breed of people.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I don't like. I gotta I got enough of
a problem trying to keep spiders out of my house.
I'm not gonna pay to bring them into my house.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
No, Now with that, what about the uh? What about
the guy with the long beard who was talking to
you about all kinds of crazy shit?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Oh my god, I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I hope I have his card here somewhere, because Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Said he was talking to your ear off about some
crazy ship and you were just like, yeah, I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
It was like an alien fireball that he saw in Wichita, Kansas,
and a cop like shot at it, and the bullets
like when into.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It, but like didn't exit it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
And ship. Yeah, that's fun. It's a fun conversation.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Look, and I mean you gotta you go to a
you go to the para con and an audience expo,
like you gotta suspend your disbelief, you know what I mean.
You can't go in there full on skeptic and just
be like, I don't believe any of this ship, Like,
you gotta you gotta be open minded about this stuff.
But sometimes, man, you start talking to somebody, it's just like,
whoa buddy, what the fuck is happening right now?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah? I feel like that was one of them conversation
as well. I was glad you said to me because
I was going down a wacky road with that man.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You know. Oh, there was one dude, I think it
was the I think it was the Beavertail or whatever,
Beaver County, and I was I don't think I talked
to him because I was trying to talk to him
and some and a woman was up there telling him
all about her all about her experiences. And she was
saying what was she saying? She was saying something about
(38:08):
how she was sensitive, she could talk to ghosts. But
then she had gone in for surgery and when she
got out she no longer had the gift anymore, and
so I was.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Like, like, I just gotta I can go find something
else to do, you know, Go talk to somebody else here,
Go listen to this, Go listen to one of the
speakers or something.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
But how many times do you think, like ghost hunters
and and paranormal investigation and like, how many times do
you think they get approached by people with crazy stories
like that?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I guarantee it's all the time. I mean, honestly, like
most people think that most people when you talk to
him about just goos in general, like a lot of
people don't believe that stuff at all. A lot of
people don't believe about believing bigfoot, aliens, a lot of
the stuff that we talk about, you know, either in
(39:11):
general or with the people that we kind of kind
of hang around with this, you know. But I don't know, man,
I mean, what's well, let me ask you this, since
we're since we're on this subject, what's what would be
a bridge too far for you? Man? Like, as far
(39:32):
as you get to a point somebody says, you're talking
about whatever it is, ghosts, aliens, cryptids, bigfoot, Jersey devil, whatever,
and they say something and you're like, yeah, I don't
believe what what's what's too far for you? What where
do you stop believing and stuff?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I feel I hate to say this, but I feel.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Like with Bigfoot we would have found a corpse or
something by now.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, so you think that big bigfoots to British too
far for you?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
That's it kind of is dude.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I mean at this point, if you see that original
nineteen sixties video, it's clearly a dude inside a suit.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Like, honestly, I've said the same thing about that video,
like there's some other videos out there that are more
compelling that one is just for me that that video
is not compelling for me. I think that guy even
came out and said it was a hoax at some point,
but nobody believed him because they were like, people believe
the video too much.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
So it's like, I feel like with Bigfoot, we would
have found a corpse. Aliens, I don't know, because it's
there's so many theories to Aliens.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
That I don't know what I would believe or not believe.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, I've heard stories that people think that they have
like bases out in the middle of the ocean, and
that's why we can't like find them.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, I've heard those ones before, heard the whole interdimensional
creature thing.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Time, because like if people don't realize like.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Only like allegedly only.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Like twenty percent of the ocean has been explored. Oh yeah,
so there's a lot of ocean, vast ocean that like
we've never seen before or explored. Yeah, so it's very
possible for if if aliens did exist, they could be about,
(41:48):
you know, hundreds of miles off the coast somewhere, or
or even thousands of miles in the middle of the
ocean and you don't even know you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I have been here. I have been hearing more
and more about that the ocean's you know, the alien
ocean theory. I've also heard about the theory that Bigfoot
is more of a what would you call him, an
interdimensional creature or ethereal or something where he's not from
(42:22):
this dimension and that's why we don't find bodies.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
We don't find They say the same thing about aliens though, too.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
There's a lot of theories about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, they see the things I fucking thing about aliens
that they walk amongst us, but they're in like kind
of like ghosts, they're in a different dimension.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Another thing too that I wanted to bring up that
I didn't really notice until after we left pericon or actually, yeah,
after we left PERICN, I was going through all the
social media feeds and I was looking for different people
that we saw, the people that we spotted, you know,
stuff like that. I think there's there's a lot of
(43:08):
drama as far as in the paranormal community, as far
as like people who are legit and people who are
just trying to make money off of it.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Oh yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And so what was interesting is that I feel like
there's I almost feel like there's a ghost Hunter's crowd
and there's a Ghost Adventures crowd, you know what I mean.
I don't know if you you know. The ghost Hunter
show was like Jason Hawes, the Taps family stuff like that.
The Ghost Adventures is like Zach Began's Aaron Goodwin. And
(43:46):
then Nick Groff and Testagroff were actually part of it,
but they were kind of ostracized. And then they were
there at the Penhurst as the celebrities and guests beef
like they had they had beef with the ghost Hunter.
When they left Ghost Hunters, they had beef with them,
and there's some controversy back and forth, and I don't know,
(44:07):
I wonder if, like we're going to have to at
some point pick a camp, you know what I mean.
Was just thinking the same thing, take a side, do.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
We go way to just stay neutral, to just be
a Can we be Switzerland?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Please? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I like it?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
No, dude, it was it was. It was a lot
to see. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
We did the traditional we went walls to the walls and.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Passed out at like five o'clock in the in the evening.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, that happened again, and it was just it was cool. Man.
Looking back on it now, it's like, god, damn, it
went by so fast.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
But it always does.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It always does, man.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, so hell of one to go to. Man, the
Pennersh Asylum is absolutely awesome. Oh yeah, yeah. We need
to think about going to some other para cons or
audit expos in some other places, but this is definitely
one that I would go back to. You know, we've
done it two years in a row now. I would
(45:23):
definitely go there as a vender. And I mean, it's
a good time. Even if you're just going there to
check things out, to check out the asylum, to speak
with people, to see the celebrities. It's definitely a good one.
It's a big one. It's awesome. If you go next year,
make sure you leave early, get a jump on the
(45:46):
traffic because it was crazy. Oh yeah. But anyways, well
that's it. Thanks for listening, guys. We've had a great time,
and see you on Monday with the horror movie Monday
Review and then see after that. We'll be talking about
Gettysburgh for the next week or.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Two, Yes we will.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Sounds good, all right. As we always say, get out there,
find your spirits. Allo
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