Luigi's Mansion and Evil Dead: The Game - #48 Talk About Games

In this episode of Talk About Games, Ryan and special guest Tony from Hack the Movies talk about Luigi's Mansion and Evil Dead: The Game! Thanks for watching Talk About Games, where Mike Matei and Ryan each bring a game to the table and talk about them every Friday! They'll cover everything from retro classics to indie titles to modern new releases. It's a discussion about video games by lifelong fans.

Episode Transcript

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Time talking about games. Yes,we talk about games. Let's not Hello

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and welcome to another talk about games. I'm Ryan. Oh, hey,
Hi, I'm Tony. How's itgoing? Can I help you? I
mean, I'm doing the episode today. You're doing the episode. Yes,
that's great. Do you even havea game? Yes? Yes, I
have a game that's based off sometapes I watch. Because I talk about
tapes and you talk about games.Oh you're Tony from Hack the movie.

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From the movies. You might haveheard of me. You might have been
on my choke several times. Reallywell, anyway, I have a game
that I'm going to talk about today, and that game is Luigi's Mansion.
Yes, yeah, And I thinkthis is a really interesting game because this
is a GameCube launch title. Cameout in September of two thousand and one.
I remember that I didn't have aGameCube, but like, I feel

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like all my friends who had aGameCube had this game. Yeah, and
you know they had this game becausethere was nothing else to play on the
GameCube. It's it's really it's reallyinteresting because I don't think that the GameCube
launch was particularly bad, but there'sso many things that are conspicuous by their
absence. Okay, so if eitherof a Mario or a Zelda game came

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out with this, everyone would havebeen fine. But Luigi's Mansion comes out
in September of one, shortly afterSeptember eleventh. I want to mention three
days later and a like a weekbefore my birthday. If we wanted to
keep this a little labels at thehappiest Birthday. But it was before my

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birthday, right, and then wewait until July of two thousand and two
before Mario shows up. That's Sunshine, right, Yeah. Yeah, and
that's not like at the top ofmany people's Mario game lists, you know
what. I bought them the SuperMario three D All Stars, yeahck from

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a while back, and I actuallyplayed Sunshine for like the first time,
and it's actually fun. But yeah, I kind of wanted to just skip
the Super Mario Galaxy. You know. One of the things that that UM
Sunshine suffers from is at that timein video game of history, it was
like collect Athon. You know it'scoming, you know, on the heels

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of N sixty four games like BanjoKazooe and um just so many games where
it was like how many things canyou collect? Yeah, and the red
coin collection in Sunshine is a majorslog. Yeah, it is, like
I like doing it in Mario sixtyfour, but Sunshine, I can't.

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Yeah, it's just too much.It's too much. It's too much.
I think that like the red coinsin sixty four like very localized, like
it's like, oh, I getit, I get the star, I
go. Yeah, in Sunshine it'slike, oh, you gotta go up
here and all over, and there'sit's kind of a paint paint in the
butt. But the other thing isyou wait all the way until December to

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put out another Zelda. Yeah,yeah, Yeah, it's weird those two
weren't ready. I guess they thought, like Luigi's kind of like Mario.
It's in that world, right,But I guess that wasn't enough for people,
And no, I don't. Idon't think it was at all.
And then when Windwaker comes out,it's like this compromised cartoony yeah that has

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since become beloved. Is that Itfunny how that happens, these things that
like because we talked about this withmovies on our channel all the time.
There's these movies that come out andeveryone hates and then years later you find
out it's like, oh well,we actually really liked it, just everyone
else hated it. But they growthese big fan bases, and I think
that app of the wind Waker.Yeah, so now Windwakers like cool,

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like you're allowed to like win Waker. But let me tell you, way
back in two thousand and two,people did not like people didn't like it,
um And I think that Nintendo wasreally scarred by this whole Luigi's Mansion,
Mario, Sunshine, Zelda, thewin Waker experience because they never did
it again. You mean they didn'tthey make sequels to Luis. But Week

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the Week comes out. You have, right, you have Twilight Princess,
you have Twilight Princess. The Switchcomes out, I have Breath of the
Wild. What was the what's itcalled paper? Mario was on WE right,
Yeah, like Mario was on WE. It was early on, but
it wasn't the launch type Galaxy.You waited a bit, yeah Galaxy.

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Yeah, that was a bit.But they had like everybody was like,
oh we sports, wee bullying.I'm gonna get drunk and play we bullings.
That really was the whole, Likelike like the Week came out,
like right, before I went intocollege, and that was like most of
college. I just have to say, I'm not a big drinker. Yeah,
but the only time I was everblackout drunk was playing we Bowling on

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I just woke up. It wasit was I bought my first house and
I had people over. I wereplaying we Bowling and I had like way
too much. Yeah, like Iprobably should have like seen a professional.
And I wake up afterwards in myhouse that I own and everyone is gone.

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Everyone, No one stuck around tomake sure you're okay. Well,
and I'm just laying with a weemode in my hand, like what just
happened? Because there was like I'venever had like missing time or anything.
Oh my god, it's it's it'shappened to be very rarely, mostly in
college. It hasn't. It hasn'thappened outside of couple. Well, you

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have to remember this is two thousandand six. It's been a while.
Yeah, it's been a while.Solis Luigi's Mansion. So Luigi's Mansion is
a Nintendo survival horror game, Yes, which I actually so, I didn't
own the GameCube. I didn't havethe game, and I remember a lot

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of my friends talking about it andnot liking it, but at me as
like a horror kid who also likedMartin, Like, yeah, I loved
like the Haunted House stuff a Mariasixty four M. I heard about the
game. I'm like that sounds awesometo be honest, Like you're going around
a mansion like fighting the booze andwhat I'm like that, Yeah, that
sounds pretty cool. Well, what'sit. What's interesting about it is early
on, like the booze. Really, the booze are the worst part of

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the game, So we'll get tothat. So you start playing the game
and you walk into the house andyou get startled by a ghost, and
Luigi is like very nervous, likeeven prior. You know, he's not
tough like mar yea yeah, AndProfessor Egad comes So this is one of
those games where we introduce new characters. Yeah, that happens a lot with

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these Yeah, while Luigi and Daisyand all those other ones. So Professor
Egad comes in. Professor Egad says, uh yo, I need you to
to Mario's stuck in here. Hepretty much just like exposition dumps on you
would you say Mario is missing?Oh you know, I was gonna say,
non, since Mario is missing,has Mario been caught more slipping than

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the minutes? Right, that's thethe issue. So you know, Professor,
he gets his guts you're a ghostbusternow, Luigi and gives him the
poulter Geist three thousand. Okay,And I'm gonna tell you, like,
this game from a graphical standpoint isone of the few times in my memory
where I remember gaming really moving forwardgraphically. Yeah, the GameCube is significantly

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more powerful than the n sixty four. Yes it is. And it is
the last time that Nintendo had abit of a supremacy. Like people could
argue that Xbox more powerful versus GameCubeor whatever. But you know, the
GameCube is definitely more powerful than thePlayStation two. Now I recognize, yes,

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now, years later I recognized that. But I was like a PlayStation
two kid. I now I nowrealized, like graphically and whatnot, the
PlayStation was probably the weakest. Yeah, but um, but it was the
best seller. It had, itwas the best seller. It had a
ship ton of games and everyone hadyeah you know, yeah, um,
and and you know, the GameCubewas hamstrung by the fact that I had

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those tiny discs. So there werea lot of games that were single disc
on other consoles and then they weremulti disc on on GameCube, and that's
a problem. But Nintendo was soworried that they were going to fall prey
to the problems that Sega did withthe Dreamcast and with the Saturn and the

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Sega ced Even before that, therampant piracy, right, the piracy in
the prior generation Nintendo was kind ofinsulated from because of the N sixty four.
No, but them going to theirfirst disc based system, they're like
oak frap, Yeah, because theydid have a lot of piracy. I

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have a friend of mine, umwho's a little older than us. He
was big into like the mod chippingstuff in the nineties, so he would
like just pirate his games and copythem. You know what's funny. Nowadays
you can get a raspberry pipe Picoand you have to solder five wires and
download a thing online. Yeah,and you could play every GameCube game on

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the GameCube and GameCube emulation is supereasy now. Yeah, so the Dolphin
emulator, So you could play thisgame, you know, not that you
should, No, you shouldn't.I just don't do that, but you
know, you could easily download thisgame and about five minutes and be playing
in it on a Dolphin emulator.But you shouldn't should you shouldn't do you

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shouldn't do that, but if youwanted to, But if you wanted to,
like I wouldn't stop you. We'reletting you know that. So if
you see someone doing that, youjust wrap them out. Yeah, yeah,
you can tell. They'll pop aNintendo what you're doing with that sodder?
And I here you're playing GameCube right, so um, yeah, so
you're going around. It's Survival Horror. It has the rooms. The control

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of this game is amazing because it'sthe first time we start playing with the
sea stick and you control the PoulterGus three thousand with the sea stick.
Yeah. So the ghosts will goleft. You gotta stay with them as
you're going. And the ghosts allhave a life bar at the bottom and
usually like on them. And usuallywhat you end up doing is you need

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to stun them, so you flashthem with the flashlight okay, and then
you switch and you use the Poultergusts to suck them in. Okay.
Unlike being a ghostbuster, there's notraps. Yeah, it's the trap and
the proton beams more efficient. Really, yeah it is. Yeah, but

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you also have a way to gointo first person mode, and I think
you'll appreciate this. Yeah, it'sthe game Boy Horror. So you know
the game Boy color logo. Yeah, it's it says game Boy Horror on
the bottom of him. And whenyou do that, you go in the
first person mode and there might belike little mouse holes that you can click

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on, or if you do iton mirrors, you may warp back to
the beginning, or you may needto do that to like kind of hunt
out a ghosts. So that's kindof like your PK emeter. You know.
That sounds pretty cool And I kindof want to play this game now
because I never actually sat and playedit, like, yeah at length.
Now, this game isn't just connectedto survival horror games like Residant Evil and

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things like that. It is alsoconnected to the Warrio series in a weird
way. The scoring system of thisgame is money okay, because Warrio likes
and much like the Ario, Warriodoesn't appear in this game, But much
like the Warrio Gameboy games, yourrating at the end is defined by how

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much money you are able to takeout of this mansion and you get just
ransacking the mansion. You're sucking,aren't you. I'll just imagine like an
exterminator comes to your house and like, oh Mary, I'll get rid of
those bugs, and they just liketake your TV and stuff. I remember
it's his mansion. It's Luigi's mansion. Okay, okay, right, all
right, so he makes sense inheritedor what have you. So he's stealing

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from himself, but he's also stealingfrom all of these lost souls as well.
So the the morality of it isambigu. Yeah, it's questionable,
but you know you're going from roomthe room, you're finding keys, you're
fighting ghosts. A lot of theghosts have backstory, the portrait ghosts,

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and when you get them, youcollect them in the game Boy Horror and
then you can see their story likemaybe it was the father or the mother
or like the first big bosses,the baby. Okay, so you fight
most of the ghosts in the mansion, but much like um uh, Pokemon

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arcis a game from here, whenyou fight the big bads, you end
up going to like an arena andit's way more like a like a video
game. Battle and less like anexploration horror. Why they did that?
Are the villains just like too bigand the mansion's very claustrophobic, right,

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so, like, you know,it kind of lose that, you kind
of lose the reason why it happens. Halfway through the game. It just
starts happening. But in the firstone, the baby comes up to you
and the baby is like you're toobig and shakes the rattle, and then
you fight him in the crib,but you're like tiny and the baby's gigantic

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um. The sound design of thisgame is really good. The music is
iconic in a way that a lotof survival horror games don't have, because
it does have a soundtrack, itdoes have a theme, it does have
like things that a Mario game wouldhave, but then it has a lot
of things that like a horror gamewould have as well. But the ghosts

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are all very lighthearted. The anxietyand fear kind of comes from Luigi freaking
out. The scariest thing in thegame is Luigi freaking out. Yeah,
you're like yeah, because I mean, think, how scary can a thing
in a Mario game like really be? Really? They all look kind of
cartoony and fun. Even even Boojust looks like it looks like the Ghost

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of Kirby or something. There's notmuch progression in this game, but there
are elemental abilities, but you canonly hold one at a time. There's
fire ability, of water ability andability, and there might be like a
ghost that has a frozen heart,so you have to shoot them with fire
watcher water. You know, it'syou need ice for different things, like

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there's a situation where you fight adog ghost and he has a water bowl
and to get him to come out, you shoot water and the bowl.
So you know, the elemental abilitiesare primarily used for puzzle sobbing. But
I was gonna say so the PoulterGece three thousand is little vacuum. The
Poulter Gust three It doesn't play similarto like the water cannon and like Sunshine.

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It's like it's like resistance. Theghost will the ghost will go over
here and you got to pull theall their way. Okay, because I
thought it maybe one of those thingsthat they were being made at the same
time. Do they play similarly butyou just kind of lock on Okay,
But I would say the visuals thetwo games you can tell that they finally
had like those morpha bowl surfaces.Okay, yeah, right, like the

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liquid in um in Sunshine or theectoplasm in this. You know, I
would say that the water ability umlooks a little like the flood does,
okay, but not the Yeah,but not like that. Man. Oh
and I want to mention that ProfessorEgad, who gives you the Poltergeist three

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thousand, gives Mario the flood inOh, it's the same SunShot. Okay.
So they introduced the character, thena year goes by, then the
character's back, but then you neverhear from him ever again, even in
the Luigi Mansion sequels. You know, I think he's probably in the sequels.
Okay, yeah, So there's atwo, there's a Luigi's Mansion three.

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And then this had to have done. I mean, I guess because
it was the everyone, but ithad to have been like critically like not
a claim, but it was criticallyacclaim. It was Okay, I thought
it was amazing. It's just overallit didn't sell consoles in the way that
a mar or Zelda game would be. Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha.

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It would have been a beloved gameif it was if they were flipped.
No, I agree, yeah thatwould have. Yeah, people have
been like, oh wow, butit's like the greatest tech demo for the
GameCube. But the problem was therewas literally this game comes out with Super
Monkey Ball and Rogue Squadron. Thoseare the three games that are worth buying.

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There's like Tony Hawk and stuff,but they were on other consoles.
So you get Rogue Squadron, youget this, you get Monkey Ball,
and then you wait over a year. That's a tough way. That is
a tough way for a Mario gamefor the next game that you know,
for the next big title. Yeah, it's like, imagine if you had

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a summer without Blockbusters. I've hadmany summers without Blockbusters, you know Blockbuster.
Yea, no, you're right,you're right. Well that we almost
had a summer without any Blockbusters Scottversus Kong save that. But um,
yeah, no, you're right.That is like that is a tough waight
for like a big game. AndI think a lot of the kids that

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you know we're making YouTube videos today, um or twenty somethings, I should
say making YouTube videos today don't realizehow shaky the GameCube was when it was
new. It was not you know, going well, yeah it was um
because I was there. Uh yeah, there are people were all excited for

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the PS two and Xbox. Likeyounger kids like the GameCube, Like my
little cousin love the game. Likethat's when I would play the GameCube the
most, when I would go tolike hang out over there. But yeah,
like teens and up, they likeunless they were like hardcore Nintendo fans.
Yeah, they weren't like super thrilledabout it. Yeah, you know,
you know GameCube was very much likethe peak like Nintendo is for babies

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system. Yeah not that like ifyou look at the catalog, really on
balance, like like when all issaid and done, the GameCube actually has
like a pretty good balance. There'sgames like Eternal Darkness, there's you know,
but then this game wallet explores alot of like horror tropes, like

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it doesn't hit hard enough yeah toengage like a like an edgy teen.
Yeah, you know I would have. I would have thought it was like
fun, but I wouldn't have Likenow, I'd probably enjoy more, but
at that period of my life,I want to play like actual horror games.
Yeah. Um, so we gotto talk about the booze, because
the booze are probably the worst partof the game. All right, So

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we got these fun bosses, wegot the portrait ghosts, we got the
elemental attacks, we got all thiscool stuff. But then, much like
wind Waker with its water collection,it ends up being there's these fifty booze
that show up in areas you've alreadycleared. All right, it's one of
those, all right, and thelittle your little game boy horror like vibrates

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when you're near them, and thenyou gotta look and reveal them. And
they're all like some of the someof the toughest enemies in the game,
and they don't um stay in oneroom, so now you're chasing them all
over the place and it just becomeslike this tedious because they have too much
health. They're all over the place. It's like, I really need to

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not be doing this. Yeah,do they still do the thing where they
like turn invisible if you look atthem? No? Well yes, okay,
but they all have like names,like like like punny names, like
there's one named underboo Undo. Okayyou know what I mean? Yeah,
yeah, Like it's it's I don'tlike that they have names because now I'm

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thinking, You're like, now,I'm just like thinking of like what they
did in their life. And thenI'm like everything in this game has a
name, and you can go intoa game Boy Horror and see all the
names and what they're doing. Theyhave backstories either. Now, yeah,
you are like this like eternal soulkilling. What do you do with them?

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Once you sucked them up? They'renever heard from again. That was
the moral question about the Ghostbusters.It's like, wait a minute, what
do they do with it? Theyjust leave them there? Like, I'm
very glad we live in a realitywhere there's not ghosts, because it gives
you all kinds of unanswered questions.You know, I'm constantly be I say
that there's no ghost on my show, and most of my cost will tell
me I'm wrong. So it's niceto see someone who believes the same thing.

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Hi, right, Yeah, Also, you had a great shirt color
going on here. Oh yeah,it's been a shirt. It's a targeting
Oh yeah, we're both wearing likeblue hy we're here on teal Talk.
Look, I bought real quick aside. I bought this for my dad,
but it was the wrong size,it was on the wrong hanger. When
I went to return it, theydidn't have a size, but they had
one in my size, so Iended up buying one for myself. Wow.

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And that's why I have banana shirtnow. Anyway, the boos the
boot, so there's fifty of them. They're paying in the blot. They're
like the one part of this gamewhere it's like, could this game just
be over? Are they like theRiddler trophies and Batman games? No,
because like, yes, okay theyare, but like, this game is
short. There's only four areas,so they like padded it out padding.

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I do hate padding in games,Like yeah, it's it's really frustrating.
Um and you could tell they werescared of how short the game was.
Yeah, because they added a secondquest where everything gets shuffled around. Okay,
now I didn't have a chance toplay that, but um, I
do think that it having a secondquest is like a cool throwback to like

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like anyesque games and things like that, which is nice. So overall,
I mean, this is like thebest playable tech demo for any system.
The transparency effects on the ghosts,the late fluid effects on water and ectoplasm
and stuff. The environments are somuch better than prior consoles. It's really

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impressive and it was a great titleto get with the GameCube. And it
was smart releasing in September because Halloween'slike the next month, so it fits
with the season. So yeah,right, yeah, So I mean I
recommend it. And you know,I know we were making the jokes about
emulation before, but you know,it could be hard to find a working

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GameCube, but the GameCube emulation isexcellent that they not like repackage this or
put it on the Nintendo Store,I don't believe. So okay, no,
but I mean you could go andget the Luigi's Mansion three. Okay,
that's out there, so there areoptions to experience the game, but
I think like the original has acharm and simplicity yeah to it that uh

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like, you start playing the newergames and you have Guigi and you could
turn into and I saw that helike turns into Flubber or something, right,
and it's like, if you don'twant to mess with that, you
could just play this and it's kindof like a very like straight across example
of the game. The one thingI remember most about Luigi's Mansion is our

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good friends over at Mega sixty fourwhen they used to do those in real
life prank videos. They were dress. They went to like a hauntic ghost
tour in a house and they hada guy just like Luigi with the with
the tiny vacuum and I think heyou gotta show the video. I think
he gets kicked out because he keepsrunning the vacuum while they're doing a ghost
tour. It's like the most thatwas my favorite thing from Luigi's Mansion was

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that Mega sixty four video. Luigijust works in the mansion. Nobody else
sees anything. He like knocks onthing. It does the voice, but
I think it's the vacuum is wherethey're like all right, buddy, and
everybody remembers the Mario Rio because helike, he doesn't really have that many
variations. Oh he doesn't like Sothere's a lot of that. So get

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ready for a lot of Luigi goinguh and Mario. You know, but
you know, you'll you'll get intoit. You gotta kind of look at
it with a nostalgic lens. Yes, as many of these games are,
yes, right, yes, um, so what do you got? Well?
I brought in a new game,a new game based off, we
don't do that here based off anold property. Sure that's still around.

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Has a new movie on the way. Apparently I played the new Evil Dead
the game. That's cool. Itjust came out by let me see who
put this out, Saber Interactive,And it's part of this ongoing like this
new trend of these asymmetrical survival horrorgames. The big ones are like Dead
by Daylight by Daylight Friday the thirteen, which was my favorite until they weren't

(25:55):
allowed to update or anything anymore becauseof an ongoing lawsuit. Oh, the
guy who wrote the first script lookinto it. It's a mess, but
that was my favorite. But there'salso like this was more of a shooter,
but like Predator Hunting Ground where they'relike they're survivors and a killer and
it's a multiplayer. So this isthe latest in that. I have to

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ask you a question because this islike a selfish question since we're on the
topic of Evil Dead. Yes,do I need to watch Ash Versus the
Evil Dead? Oh? I highlyrecommend. It's a good Do you enjoy
the original trilogy? Sure? Yeah, I would say, yeah, definitely
watch it. Yeah, it's onlythree seasons. You can bene it pretty
quick, so it's done done.It's done done. It didn't But so

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people are mad because the series endson a cliffhanger. But if you watch
the other movies, yeah, Armyof Darkness not so much. But the
original ending was they all end oncliffhanger. So it's kind of appropriate that
like Ash's story ends on a cliffhangerbecause his whole life has Yeah, I
it's got some like the funniest,coolest things in that show. The horrors
really good. The characters are reallygood, which I want to talk about

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because they're actually in this game.So this game I was telling you,
Now, this might not be likethe record or anything, but when I
put this game in the opening logo, let me show you all the things
here. Sorry, this would havebeen on the laptop if the laptop decided
not to reboot. We are lookingat things. Did you know that there
has been seven different laptops featured onthis show. For a while there,

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I was just changing them. Iwould go in another room and I would
get a different laptop and put itin front of Mike, just so so
evil Dead. The rights to theseries are kind of split between multiple different
studios. And actually Asher's Evil Dead. They don't disregard it, but they
weren't allowed to reference Army of Darknessdirectly. Okay, you'll notice that in

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the thing We're like they mentioned timetravel and stuff, but they can't tell
you the specifics. So the gameopens up and it's a big collaboration between
Renaissance Pictures, Studio Canal and MGMuh and even Stars and there's even more
companies within that uh And this islike the first time these companies have like
got together to work on one thing. Nothing from the remake is in it,

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but I'm sure DLC down along theway they'll eventually work them in there.
Remake. Off the top of myhead, I can't remember. Oh
wait, it would have been.I think it's Ghost House, which is
Sam Raimi's company. Fact check meon that. But I think it's his
company because they also produced like theremake of The Grudge and stuff like that.
So it wasn't one of the companiesthat was named in the I don't

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think so. I don't think so. I'd have to do well because they
didn't include it. I didn't lookit up right, But no, it's
it's very similar to a lot ofthose other games m where you know you
have the group of survivors, yes, and then you have like the dead
Yites Yes, and I want tosay the survivors. They get most of
the cast back like the original ofthe girls from the original three Bruce Campbell

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obviously because he's done playing the characterin live action, but he said voiceover
he's fine with because he was inDebt by Daylight also, and they get
the characters from the show like Danade Lorenzo, who I have a video
with on my channel years ago andco Pop. Watch my video Dana de
Lorenzo to know the origin of theFunko Pop and what happened. Um and

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Pablo from the show are on it. So it's a really great cast.
You have several different Bruce Campbells.You could pick from old man, the
tough guy one, the young one. But basically, how how a regular
mission goes. Okay, you knowyou're the survivor, so you're on the
map. You have to find piecesof a map which will then bring you

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to another map, and then youhave to get a dagger, and then
you have to go to a placeand expel the dead Yites from the world,
like you got to kill these threebig demons while other dead Ights are
after you, and then destroy thebook and they're done. And then if
you're playing the Dead eight, you'regoing around the map is the you know,
the invisible camera you're that you're goingaround the map. You're setting up
traps where dead Yites can come out, and they like there's different types of

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that. There's like literally skeletons andevil Ash from Ry of Darkness. Yeah,
then there's like Henrietta and more normallooking dead Yites, and then there's
like the creepy the TV show isone of the creepiest demons ever. It's
like this pale demon with no eyesand these like his mouth is pulled up,
yeah, and his gums stay still, but the rest of his body
shakes. It's the most disturbing thingyou can play, is that guy.

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And you're basically you're just trying tostop them from getting to the book.
And like there's cool things where,like, you know, there's supply crates
where you can get cool weapons.But if you're a Dead eight and you
get there first, you can leavetraps. And one of the traps is
Ash's hand or the tiny ashes fromArmy of darkness. Um, yeah,
and I think it's a good timebecause I haven't really found a game that

(30:44):
I liked as much as Friday thirteenth, r Like Dead by Daylight. I
jumped into that a little too late. It's it's funny. Dead by Daylight
kind of one that it did battlelike the day we're doing this. I
think they just released the Attack onTitan expansion, which I played that game,
Like, how does that work?Right? Like, I guess they'll

(31:06):
figure out how, but I wassurprised by that because there's like the Titans
and the Yeah, I don't knowhow they're doing it if anything is possible
for Dead by Daylight. Now.One thing I was annoying about Dead by
Daylight I think I paid for somelike DLC characters, but then I think
they're not available anymore because they werelike like I think the Stranger Things characters
are out of it. Oh,I think. But um, this is

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the closest I've gotten to enjoying somethingas much as Friday the thirteen. But
this sounds like it's more active thanDead by Daylight. Like Dead by day
Light, you're kind of like power, like you're just running around. Yeah
no, no, you have likeactual weapon, Like there's not like an
invincible killer in't it. Yeah,I guess except for the dead Eye.
But even then, like if youkill like you can possess if you're the

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demon, you could possess a deadeye, and if they kill your body,
you could just collect energy and goingto another one. Yeah, but
you're right because like Dead by Daylight, you can't kill the bad guy.
You can kill Jason, but it'ssuper complicated, right, Yeah, but
there are different game modes because Iknow a lot of people that are kind
of getting tired of these type ofgames, right, which is not a

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good sign for the upcoming Texas Chainsawgame, which is by the Friday thirteenth
people. But I think they tookthat into account because there are like single
player missions right where you can unlocknew stuff and they're actually fun. They
play kind of like how because theytried this on Friday thirteenth. They made
these single player missions, but theywere like scenes that you had to act
out and it was like kind offun, but it's not really what you

(32:37):
want it. Yeah, these area lot more fun. The first one
is a little too hard, Iwill say that, and I'm bad at
video games. I know that,but the first mission is really really too
hard no checkpoints. Yeah, andthen I could go on for a while.
That's frustrating because like early on,when you're playing a game and you're
not good, yes, which we'reall not good when we play game and

(32:59):
ye spend an hour of your time, you die, and you're like,
why would I ever play this gameever? Again? It took two streams.
I played with my cousin the firsttime, she's a huge Evil Dead
fan. Yeah, and then Ifinally beat at the second time. It
took over an hour, but itreally was the lack of checkpoints, which
I guess could be challenging, butlike, not for this one. How
is the online play or like peoplelike ridiculously good or is it? You

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know, as much as I played, everyone has seemed pretty even. Yeah,
there's no I don't think there's anyonewho's like, because it's still relatively
new, there's no one who's likesuper amazing at it yet. Yeah,
I think it plays pretty well.But like I said, there are options,
so you could play with like anAI team, or you could play

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completely AI, or you could dothese single player missions, and I think
they just added an exploration mode,which is to walk around. Well that's
the thing. So it's actually kindof smart because you can walk around and
study the map and know where togo. But to keep it entertaining,
even though there's not this one onebig evil force, they do literate full
of dead eyes. So it's actuallya cool way to like if you want

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to, if you get like achainsaw that you weren't able to get in
the regular game, you can justtest it out, like knock all these
people out. It's a lot offun. Um. The one crazy thing
is they do work in like theTwo Nights from Army of Darkness. Yeah,
and it's so there is a thereis a medieval castle map, but
a lot of times you're playing onthe other map. So it's so weird
to see like Eric the Red likerunning around with like a clock and what

(34:29):
are he's got like a shotgun?Like that's a character and never in a
million years I think I would seewith that. Yeah, but no,
I think people should really give ita shot. It has everything I like
from those previous games. I thinkit doesn't really well, still doesn't really
feel the void left by Friday thirteenth, But yeah, I'm excited to see

(34:50):
what happens, because you know allthese games they release in DLC promising updates
and things they are they are soI mean, say of people about the
Evil Dead remake, I don't knowif you ever saw that. It's fine,
it's actually pretty decent. Yeah.I can see like a lot of
people discovered Evil Dead from that movie, so I can see them working in
at some point. But there's anew movie coming out, Evil Dead Rise.

(35:10):
I think it had its first itlike screened recently. I don't know
when it's coming out, Okay,so I'm sure they're going to add more
stuff to that. It's it's interestingthat I always saw Evil Dead, Army
of Darkness, all those games latemovies as cult films. They are that
were like a small fan base thatwas over here, not like too small,
but not like they try to go. So the first two were definitely

(35:34):
cold films. Yeah, and thenI can think they got big enough because
the third one is distributed by likeUniversal, right, so they were probably
like, let's pump more money intoit, let's do it, and then
I think it was a big flop, but then that ended up becoming a
cult film as well. But mypoint is that I felt like the series
wasn't huge, but then we startedseeing like Ash versus Evil Dad, and
we're starting to see all these likenew films and remakes and games and licensed

(35:59):
crap. Well, I will saythis, I think it's the early two
thousands, like this is by likethis is signed by the entire cast.
They like the Evil Dead is knownfor having like ten thousand different special editions
of each movie. Yeah, andthose were all coming out. McFarland was
putting out the toys the movie Maniacseries with Ash there, and they did

(36:20):
start doing video games. They dida horrible one on PlayStation one, which
I think James and Doug played.Yeah, but there were two for PlayStation
two, and my favorite was EvilDead Regeneration. I don't know if you
ever played that one. I haven'tlike ted Ramy is his little demon side.
That one's a lot of fun.But yeah, I think of the
two thousands, with the Internet andeverything and people finally discovering it is what
really blew it up. So whoare the big horror antagonists? Oh,

(36:45):
you got like like these types oflike in general, like if you're talking
about horror as a genre, whoare the big horror antagonists, it's easy
to make a list, right becauseyou got Jason Freddie. If you're all
like Slashers, it's like Jason Freddiethat if they're pretty big list. Now,
horror protagonist that's harder. That ishard, Yeah, because they're usually

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like they're usually final girls, butnot all of them are like action here,
like Ripley is like even but shedidn't become that Told the second movie.
Yeah, um, yeah, you'reright, there are like ashes like
and even he didn't even become thatTold the second movie because he's kind of
a freaking whimp in the first.Yeah. Yeah, you're right. There's

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not many like action I guess JamieLee Curtis now, right, but even
then they had to like they didit once and then they did it again,
they rebooted it. But yeah,you're right, there's not a lot
of huge, like action protagonists thatare this popular. Exactly. It's like
Ripley and him, like that's it, and then maybe Jamie Lee Curtis.

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Yeah, it's like it's like aunique take on the genre to have that
type of character. Yeah, right, because you look at horror, horror
is the opposite sit of power fantasy. Yeah, right, you're right.
You're right. It's by definition.So even though you know these movies and
these games subvert that, they're undeniablyhorror. Yes, yes, which which

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I think is is pretty crazy.Um. I wanted to ask you,
do you asymmetric games or a typeof social game? Do you think that
is that? Like you like socialgames? Does is that like your primary
game like to play or you meanlike playing online with people? Yeah,

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like the idea like like this gameis greatly enhanced by playing with friends.
Yes, I had not played itwith like a friend yet, Like my
cousin was there as I was playingit. We switched on and off.
Okay, but no, I diddo that a lot with previous games.
Right, mostly Friday thirteenth, Iplayed with friends, and then I also
screened that children who were also playingit because they took off on a boat

(39:00):
and left me behind. Oh Igot I got real heated on Friday a
voice chat and does unprotected voice chatit does. That's that's fun. I
was getting like there was it's probablyin my stream. There was a one
guy who was getting real mad becausehe was like super into it and like
he was like trying to get everything. But like because of that, he

(39:22):
kept leaving the group and getting attacked, and he kept yelling at us for
like not being there to help him, and like, yeah, it's like
we don't. We don't play atyour pleasure. Yeah, bro, Like,
you know what's weird about this one? You don't straight up like die,
Like you bleed out and then youdie, but then your spirit hovers
because then someone on your team cancollect your soul go to an altar and

(39:45):
provide you which I don't think I'veever seen before. Usually it's like you
bleed out and then you die.That's kind of cool. It really sucks,
especially if the rounds are long.Yeah, if you just die and
you're just sitting there like, oh, I guess I can get it,
go get like a soda or likea coffee or something. Yeah. Oh
but it may be over soon,so I guess I can't. So I'm

(40:07):
just gonna sit here. I'm justgonna sit here and spectate everyone else.
It's the worst. Yeah, younever want to do that. Yeah.
I mean, if anything, Iguess, like leaving this option for you
to be urvived is what gets peopleto stop it from turning off. Yeah,
yeah, because they're having times inthe other games where I'm like,
well, I'm dead, I'm exitingthe game because you can't come back.

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But I guess it's their way aroundit. They're like, no, no,
hold on, you might come back. You might come back. Probably
not, but yeah, that's allI have to say about it. I'll
probably be streaming it more on Twitch. I want to see what other stuff
they add to it, especially withthe new movie on the way, I
don't want to see how they incorporatethat. But for now, I think

(40:50):
it's a lot of fun. Iwasn't intending to do Luigi's Manage, but
I jumped into it and I waslike, oh wow, there's a lot
here. There's a lot more herethan I remember it just being this silly
little launch title. It's actually quitefun, and I like Nintendo's take on
horror, if you could call itthat. But this is the part of

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(41:58):
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(42:45):
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