June 18, 2025 • 29 mins
Host Dr. Teresa A. Smith, Dr. TAS welcomes artist and motivational speaker Carlos Walker to discuss how God's words helped him go from prison to global artist.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am doctor Teresa Smith, doctor Tarles. Welcome to this
edition of Top with Tas. Today I have Carlos Walker
with me. Now I refer to him as the artist
because he's a self taught artist. He's an author, he's
a speaker whose journey began and one of the darkest
places imaginable a federal prism.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now, after serving some years.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
For drug related charges, he reignited a gift that he
had when he was a much younger person before he
went behind the bars, and that gift, once he reignited,
really changed the trajectory of his life and what his
mission is now. And so I want him to share
his mission and how he is making a difference in
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his community and how you might be able to help
support his work. So Carlos again, welcome to Talpo TIS.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Thank you for allowing me to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm belid Well, Carlos, kind of go back to the
beginning when you were sentenced, what went through your mind
and what stopped you from giving up completely?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So you said, what went through my mind?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Because they actually gave me twenty three years, I didn't
know what I was gonna do. I've always believed in God,
but at the time it was a little hard. Everything
that I had, everything that I possessed, monetary and drug wise,
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I lost it in one day. So the day that
I went in, I lost over eighty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Dollars worth of drugs and money.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And for six months I cried like a baby.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Look almost every day. I couldn't make this up. My mama.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
She one day, like after six months, I called home
and she told me, boy, if you don't stop crying,
don't call back here.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And I kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Had to suck it up, and I would say that
I kind of heard God said, the.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Only thing, the main thing that you actually owned, you
still possess, excuse this horn. That was my life, and
that was my life.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
And when I realized that I still had life and
breath in my body, I also realized that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Even if I didn't come home till twenty.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Years later, as long as God is with me, nothing
can stop where I was going to become or end
up at.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But as we both know, that isn't the story.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I only did thirteen years and here I am today,
mind blown.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And you know I asked the question you did, ask
me what God?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah? And I see, yeah, what step you can giving up.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I like the way you phrased that, Carlos, because
when I was speaking, as you said, you were really
given twenty three years, but you only thirteen years. I
think about what God did because he helped you to
understand the thing that was most important you still had it,
which was your life. Like now being in a place
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that unfortunately is designed to let me see I want
to say this, Well, how could I want?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, you were in a place that can be quite
a strong woman. I'll say it that way.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
What was that moment or that spark that started you
on this rebuilding up your your life.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So the moment that happened my parents they came to
see me, and I was They were elderly, so when
I got locked up, they was like sixty three and
I think like sixty six sixty seven. And what ended
up happening was I took and my parents came to
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see me. They I thought they was gonna die. They
looked just looked sick.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I had to watch them get older as time
move forward.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
So I went back to the cell and I got
on my knees and I asked God to give me
something that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Helped me make money.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
While I never sell drugs again, and I told God
that if you do, I.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Tell the world about you. And the next thing.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
That happened probably about three about two months later, I'm
walking on the compound. So I had been studying Black history.
So I am gonna say that Black history was a
major piece of my change when I got to understand
that our people had went through too much for me
to be where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But I did need to be where I was at
for my journey.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Not everybody else, but in my journey, or as Joseph
said in the Bible, he said he told his brothers,
you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good, and.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
He said that it may save many.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So when you or when anybody, not just mine, was
just prison.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Some people out here go through their own prisons.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
What is in their minds is going through relationship, it's
going through sickness. And in my journey, I had to
go endure because this is what my pressure was at.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But as we know, pressure creates diamonds. As we all
also know.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Prisons create pearls. You because a piece of dirt don't
do nothing but going to a.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Clam's mouth, and what happens.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It becomes all that saliva or spit that is you
see over top, or that you see as the pearl.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's the beauty of it. It's your journey. It that
that transformed you. And this is what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Now, No, Carlos, I like how you're weaving the question.
This popped in my brain. You're right, we have purpose.
So my question then becomes when you look back now
and of course we understand.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I understand that, and I think you would agree with me.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
You correct if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're in a place now where you understand that the
privilege was a part of your journey to get you
to where you are now.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Now my question is.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I don't want to be radical, but I'm thinking about
it from motherble perspectives. When we encocounter these things that
put us in the in the pit, because I'm going
back to Joseph to work with me. When we encountered
these things that put us in the pit. Of course
we have free will, so we make a decision. But
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are we encountering these and we'll no big picture will
always encounter these things a part of God's plan.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But for those who are putting, who think they're putting
us in the pit.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Is it their way trying.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
To ensure that we pay, for lack of a.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Better word, in our place, Because it doesn't have to
be a white person.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It can be a black person is doing it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No, I said, it could be anybody.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So do you do you? Is that what is happening?
And then we have to be white?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Are black?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Have to be intellectually mindful.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm not talking to i Q when I say that,
but intellectually mindful of what is actually taking place.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I put it this way. I look at life now
that things are meant to be the way they are.
When people or our position happens, it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You don't get the best version of you unless you
have it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Because I heard my brother say recently, he's uh, he
feel for those those who ain't never been through anything,
because if without contrast, you don't know how to appreciate.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So me personally, I look at life this way. Think
of a whole day.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
What doesn't what two parts doesn't doore it a day
consistent day and night.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So if I don't never understand night, I will never
appreciate my day. So while we think it's people, while
we think it is people that are doing things to us.
Sometimes it's also does I'm pushing you to the next
position when you lose a job, God is pushing you
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to a next to another. But your mind is still
on what I had opposed to.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Where is God taking me?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
When with me I was planning on quitting selling drugs
before before I went to prison.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But maybe, hey, in God's size either you're moving to
so more.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I need you to go understand what life is like
for some other people.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
So guess what I can get you to the next
stage where you.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Can help and have a testimony to help others. Because
and one of my favors, I'm gonna say my favorite
verse out of the Bible. It's Revelations twelve and eleven.
And they overcame by the blood of the Lamb and
by the words their testimony. It's your testimony. People who
ain't ever did nothing, they got a testimony. They they can't,
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they don't, they don't see it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But for people who went through something, you got a testimony.
Testimony that can help somebody realize that God still exists.
You can understand from.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
A different part that Hey, without the things that I've
been through, I wouldn't be the person that I am.
My second book is called The Autobiography of the Butterfly,
How the Caterpillar made It Through, and it's about a
butterfly telling it cater pillar story. If you never share
your caterpillar story and nobody get to see how.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Powerful God has been in your life.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
So thank God for all those who may have in
my mind at that time, was hindering me.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I thank God for I thank God.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
For prison today because guess what, Yes, I may have
hurt some people being there, but look at what I
am now. My parents got to see me a better person.
But not only just a better person, A person with
a mission is trying to help save our youth, help me,
not just help inspire, inspire our.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Elderly or anybody around my age. As long as you
got breath in your body.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You can do things that you would you will not
even be able to amasche.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I was I thank you for mentioning that the butterfly,
but I want to go back to walk a mile
in our shoes? What if the welcome out and our shoes?
So when did you realize that you had a series,
that you had a book there, or you had a
work that would make a difference in our community and
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in our youth compise, because again I always liked for
you to see multiple impacts of individuals. You don't have
to just see an athlete. You don't have to be
just a performer, an actor or a performer. There are
so many ways that you can make an impact.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And the more role.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Models they see, the more I think it expands their minds.
So when did you realize that you had something very
powerful in the welcome out in our shoes?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So when the idea came to me one I.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Read the whole entire Bible and I started realizing sort
of stuff. And it was a few other books as
a man thinking by James Allen, thinking grow rich by
I think it's Napoleon Hill. Read these books and it
started changing my mindset. But setting in prison, I heard
God say three things. This was in twenty fourteen. You're
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gonna leave prison early, the world is gonna see your
art work, and that you are a millionaires. And I'm
setting in prison and I'm like, how, but I believe?
So I started believing it, but I started speaking it
back to myself. So fifteen times a day for a
year and a half, I would say, I'm leaving prison
this year. The world is gonna see my artwork, and
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I am a millionaire.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And what ended up happening. It started reframing my mind.
But in prison, they.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Wouldn't allow us to have art shows, and I would
be I would put my art in there, and I
would go down there and I would watch people all
day long look at my art in marvel.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Some of them will be like oh, some of them
be like they would love the art.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And I realized that this is something that I want
to be, is an artist. So while while there, I
ended up writing three newspapers, all black newspapers, The Miami
at Times, the Florida Sentinel, and then there's one called
Aphram in Texas African American. I forgot the name of it,
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but I wrote him in. All three of them put
my art in their newspapers, and I started telling my
sister to them. I said, look, I'm gonna be a
MEI naw. I would tell him over and over over
and over.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
One of my sisters she.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Do newsletters, and she wrote one day she said, I
got tired of hearing this boy said.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That he was gonna be a me now until I
seen his.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Art in the newspaper, and she became, I would say,
my first believer.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And I even had.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
One of my roommates while I was in prison, excuse
my language, he said your artwork ain't gonna be.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Ship and it hurt. But I'm glad that he said it.
But I'm lad for the most part that I did
not believe it. Because I had to believe it, I
would have quit doing that art.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And there is over I would say eleven thousand something people.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That have never that would have never met me, received
my book or that I.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Have somewhat inspired even in their lives right now. What
they always tell me, Hey, I.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Appreciate you, thank you for the words. But it was
God allowing my light to shine.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So this is a lot of mind. I'm gonna let
it shine.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Let it shine, and you get a moment as the
Bible rest it goes with with that it is, and
let your light so shine among men that they may see.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Your good works and glorified God which has been heaven.
So my only, my only influence is.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
To do what I promised God, and that was the luck.
Let the world know how how I got where I
where at?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh, well, you know I try not do to me.
And these ugly cries these days, can you see? It
just touches me. And and I love the fact because
people need to hear this more often that And it's
about a mind shift when you can look back and
be grateful for of what someone did. So when you
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talk about your roommate in physics saying, oh, you know
that ain't gonna be there anybody gonna come look at
this si, how do you phrase it? You didn't take
that in. You use that to continue to fuel you
and motivate you. And now when you you look back
on it, now, that was a part of your journey
to help you get to where you are this moment,
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and eleven thousand plus people who you've been able to
help with your work. So to me, that's something that
I want folks to take away. Don't always get upset
with the people, because you're right, it's that pression that's
the fine meaning that's make in that pump.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Pray for them.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Look, I understand more now when Jesus said pray pray
for those that despite the youth one I also learned
you can't drink poison and expect somebody else to die. No,
you're gonna die because that hate, all that stuff fuels
you and it'll kill you from inside out. But what
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happens is when you learn to use it as fuel,
when you learn to take these things and make it
work for you, you're in forgive them and pray for
What happens is that love that inside you.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
It transitions.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It really done.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Now, now there's probably some folks who are watching that
they may feel that they've lost too much. They've already
lost too much, they've made too many mistakes. What would
you say to that person who feels that it's too
late for them to make a change.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I would tell them to study people.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So the KFC guy, Colonel Sanders, he was in the
sixties when they when he became a millionnaire. They said,
most people who are over who become meanaires.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Don't do it till they fifty.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
These days, yes, you are having young people do it,
but they are immature with it as well. I will
tell anybody grow a plant and know that you're never
you're never too late. When you're meant to bad fruit,
your bare fruit in your season. My brother recently said
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he heard a pastor say this, there's five seasons in
a year, or he says five seasons in your life,
and I was like, I'm thinking, but he says, uh,
one ofus, one of summer springs fall and then there's
due season. You do to babe, to be fruitful and multiply.
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And when it's said it, it wasn't just talking about
babies and the young people.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It was talking about your thoughts and your ideas. We
are like trees. I learned, and I learned this person
that trees don't eat fruit. People do.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
So the tree don't eat the stuff that it produces
people from those trees. And what we're called to do
is be fruitful and be able to help everybody else
from the fruit that be bad. And your season is coming.
So don't give up, because guess what if you give up,
you forfeit everything that God has for you. I refuse
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to give up because, hey, I heard some I've seen
two of the three things that I named off that
I heard. God tell me I would leave prisoner. I
left four and a half years and my artwork. God
told me my artwork. The world would see my artwork.
Right now, my artwork has been that the World Trade
Center three years in a row. I've exhibited in DC twice,
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Baltimore twice, Florida, Georgia, Phillip twice, Ohio. Now I've sold
over twelve thousand copies of the book, but eleven thy
seven hundred.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Been hand to hand and me signing, signing every one
of them.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
But in front of the African American Museum, I have
sold anywhere between eighty five hundred and ninety five hundred
books standing out here in the last four and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
In the last four years. What I can tell you
you can quit if you want to. You will not
reach your due season.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Look, here's the thing called do season in a the
million dollars is called the food of my label.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's not even tell technical for me. I will be
able to do as they treat you and help other people.
I am called and saw you to help other people
that they may be fruitful. But if you give up,
the people that need to see you there won't see
you there because you won't be that.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
When you both already told them they need to do.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Their planning and understand that when they plant, they're not
planning to their keep for themselves.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
They're balanced through for others.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And I think that's a good analogy and it's actually
what we're doing. If you can tell Carlos, if you
could go back now, if you can look back and
tell that younger the younger man, right as he's about
to make the decision to start, you know, selling drugs
or whatever, if you could tell him anything.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Because you know what he says, you know why he.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Made the decisions that he made. Could you tell your
younger self.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Keep going because it's gonna help you later on. Don't stop.
Look do it, Look, do what you're about to.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Do, because if you don't do it, you will not
be able to survive when everything is going to happen
in your future. Look as much is I hate that
I pause into our community, some things are.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It need to be done to get you where you're gone.
The caterpillar, the caterpillar of you going. You look it up.
It is destructive. It needs up everything that is in.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Its way when it's when it's a caterpillar. But then
there's a time that it goes.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Into its cocoon and reinvents itself.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It really it takes off its old It becomes a
new creature, as the Bible tells you, become a new creature.
It pulls off this old body, which is the word
and becomes chilled inside of the.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Cocoon and insidebody it cannot do anything.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
The only thing that it does in the cocoon is
set down. But it's transforming. Know that you are always transforming.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Trust God, trust the process and what I promise you
you'll come out with means.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
But when you do, go back and tell everybody else.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
How God did that for you, because that is what
everybody needs to know. I understand people only have anxiety
because their spirit is weak.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
People are when you learn to.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Build and work from inside out, not outside in. Most
people are dealing with outside in. They're looking at the
physical and saying, hey, things are messed up out here.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And what your physical is telling your mind is or
your mental is.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
That everything is messed up, and it's telling your emotions
everything is messed up.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
But your spirit is too weak to understand. Hole love.
God told me I'm wonderfully and marvelous.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Marvels is marvelous, the maid, I am more than a
conquer When you when you find out that he said,
I will make.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Your name break and you are you dare to believe it.
What happens is.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
You start working from inside out and your spirits start
telling your emotions calm down, Okay, we gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Do this.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It tells your mental Look, God or my spirit just
told me, look, calm down.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
This thing on and then your outside change.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I only learned to be free from where I was
at prison.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I learned, but to be free here as a man
thinking in his heart. So is he learned to rework
your mind, change your perspective. And what God will do
is change your reality.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Because hey, there's two sides to every cone you ever
hears you ever tails. We're gonna call the heads positive,
tails negative. And it's the one I focus on because
I can't see both at the same time.
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I know that you're both there.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
But if I focus on positivity, my whole life changes
to positive.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
This ain't nothing but a computer, and I get to
put what I want to in it.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But if I put choose to look at the negative,
I only see motive. It's you have to to rework
your mind. And all I did, or all God did,
was rework.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
My mind because I learned to apply to principles that
was in the Bible. Whatever you do me, I mean,
I would tell people read the Bible. Look if you're
a Muslim, read the Koran, read your book, learn your
learn what you believe. Now me, I look, I'm a Christian.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I learned what Jesus did, and I start working to
be christ Like.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
That's what it's like.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
That's what it's meant to be a Christian. And a
lot of us don't live. Don't live this thing out now.
And look, I have things that I'm still working on.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
But just drive for me and know that you are.
People will say you're not perfect.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You are for today, just for today, but this moment
you're the best version of youth that you have ever been.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And tomorrow you can't be better. Yeah, in the next
moment you.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Can be better, But for the moment, you are the
best version of youth. Me, I think you're perfect. As
a matter about the floors and what we think. Look
at what God sees. God sees the butterfly, He understands
the caterpillar, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The caterpillar is what has to come, so any and
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Well, you had me tear it up over here, Carlos,
because I love my butterfly.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I have a butterfly jewelry.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Because my whole platform is about transformation and you had
you had me when you sort of walking through the
stages of the butterfly, and I said, parallel to what
we encounter as human beings. You're gonna have to come back, Carlos.
I'm just gonna tell you right now, You're gonna have
to come back. We're gonna have to pick the topic,
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and we just gonna we're gonna roll with that one topic.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You got me.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Okay, okay, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Please tell the audience how they can stay in contact
with you, how they can get your artwork and your book.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Look, follow me on Walker's Underscore gallery too. This is
my main page.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
This is why I post that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I do pretty much everything on you can Actually it's
a Lincoln U up in my bio uh for link treat.
You can purchase both of my books on that. They
are twenty five dollars. I sign them, I ship them
and what else?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
What was the other one? The art?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
So if you want to purchase art d m me
you can call me. I think my number is on
the to you call me.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I Look, I love to talk to people and I
have a lot of artwork.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Now, don't sell the artwork that's in what If? But
what I do do if you like a piece that's
in there, I create you one personally for.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You, because that's that is what I do. I want
to make one of the ones I love. I watched God.
God only make one of one, even twins of one
of one. They just look alike.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Oh that's a whole another story.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh Jesus, that did something to me too.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, he only made one so that let us know
that we got purpose and value.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Look, he broke the mold. One of my friends. He
always said, it took six out of one billion's sperm sells.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You made it.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
You made it. You're here for a reason. Don't look,
don't waste this, and don't get upset at the experience.
I don't care. Look, most people have never had a
whole bad day. You had a bad moment. Don't allow
one moment to mess up your whole day. And look,
remember people are supposed to leave here. We're not here forever.
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My parents passed since if and home, I was here.
But I will show you nurture your relationships.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
If you do got parents and they still here, look,
don't take it for granted, because they will leave. And
if you got children and they leave before you understand.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
That God blessed you with them. Learn and understan saying
that they are here for a reason, and you can
help somebody else with your testimony. Your story. Your story
is the most powerful thing that you have. You are
the main character of this story. Use it. Look the good,
the bad, the.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Ugly, the beautiful, use it because it's all one day.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's all beautiful.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It consists of it, and you need the darkness to
even understand the good time.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So love it.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Well, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think that's a good message to wrap up the
end of anyone's week because weeks, girln't have to be
days or anyone's experience.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's the message to take.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Make that moment, that day the best it could possibly be.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Because tomorrow's not promise.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So nurture the relationships and nurture relationship with yourself too.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So sometimes we'll nurture with everybody.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Else, but we forget that we've got to nurture the
relationship with ourself first.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So I did, thank you, love you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You cannot call us and you know you just laid
the foundation for my sign out. So carl Us again,
thank you so much for being with me. I know
I'm going to have you back. And to everybody that
joined us, thank you also for being with us. And
as you guys know, my sign off is, before you
go trying to take care of someone else, please make
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sure you take care of yourself first, because you can't
do it if you're not taking care of you until
next time.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
By now, thank you too, all right,
I am doctor Teresa Smith, doctor Tarles. Welcome to this
edition of Top with Tas. Today I have Carlos Walker
with me. Now I refer to him as the artist
because he's a self taught artist. He's an author, he's
a speaker whose journey began and one of the darkest
places imaginable a federal prism.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now, after serving some years.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
For drug related charges, he reignited a gift that he
had when he was a much younger person before he
went behind the bars, and that gift, once he reignited,
really changed the trajectory of his life and what his
mission is now. And so I want him to share
his mission and how he is making a difference in
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his community and how you might be able to help
support his work. So Carlos again, welcome to Talpo TIS.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Thank you for allowing me to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm belid Well, Carlos, kind of go back to the
beginning when you were sentenced, what went through your mind
and what stopped you from giving up completely?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So you said, what went through my mind?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Because they actually gave me twenty three years, I didn't
know what I was gonna do. I've always believed in God,
but at the time it was a little hard. Everything
that I had, everything that I possessed, monetary and drug wise,
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I lost it in one day. So the day that
I went in, I lost over eighty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Dollars worth of drugs and money.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And for six months I cried like a baby.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Look almost every day. I couldn't make this up. My mama.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
She one day, like after six months, I called home
and she told me, boy, if you don't stop crying,
don't call back here.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And I kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Had to suck it up, and I would say that
I kind of heard God said, the.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Only thing, the main thing that you actually owned, you
still possess, excuse this horn. That was my life, and
that was my life.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
And when I realized that I still had life and
breath in my body, I also realized that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Even if I didn't come home till twenty.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Years later, as long as God is with me, nothing
can stop where I was going to become or end
up at.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But as we both know, that isn't the story.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I only did thirteen years and here I am today,
mind blown.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And you know I asked the question you did, ask
me what God?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah? And I see, yeah, what step you can giving up.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I like the way you phrased that, Carlos, because
when I was speaking, as you said, you were really
given twenty three years, but you only thirteen years. I
think about what God did because he helped you to
understand the thing that was most important you still had it,
which was your life. Like now being in a place
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that unfortunately is designed to let me see I want
to say this, Well, how could I want?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, you were in a place that can be quite
a strong woman. I'll say it that way.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
What was that moment or that spark that started you
on this rebuilding up your your life.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So the moment that happened my parents they came to
see me, and I was They were elderly, so when
I got locked up, they was like sixty three and
I think like sixty six sixty seven. And what ended
up happening was I took and my parents came to
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see me. They I thought they was gonna die. They
looked just looked sick.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I had to watch them get older as time
move forward.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
So I went back to the cell and I got
on my knees and I asked God to give me
something that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Helped me make money.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
While I never sell drugs again, and I told God
that if you do, I.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Tell the world about you. And the next thing.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
That happened probably about three about two months later, I'm
walking on the compound. So I had been studying Black history.
So I am gonna say that Black history was a
major piece of my change when I got to understand
that our people had went through too much for me
to be where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But I did need to be where I was at
for my journey.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Not everybody else, but in my journey, or as Joseph
said in the Bible, he said he told his brothers,
you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good, and.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
He said that it may save many.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So when you or when anybody, not just mine, was
just prison.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Some people out here go through their own prisons.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
What is in their minds is going through relationship, it's
going through sickness. And in my journey, I had to
go endure because this is what my pressure was at.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But as we know, pressure creates diamonds. As we all
also know.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Prisons create pearls. You because a piece of dirt don't
do nothing but going to a.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Clam's mouth, and what happens.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It becomes all that saliva or spit that is you
see over top, or that you see as the pearl.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's the beauty of it. It's your journey. It that
that transformed you. And this is what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Now, No, Carlos, I like how you're weaving the question.
This popped in my brain. You're right, we have purpose.
So my question then becomes when you look back now
and of course we understand.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I understand that, and I think you would agree with me.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
You correct if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're in a place now where you understand that the
privilege was a part of your journey to get you
to where you are now.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Now my question is.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I don't want to be radical, but I'm thinking about
it from motherble perspectives. When we encocounter these things that
put us in the in the pit, because I'm going
back to Joseph to work with me. When we encountered
these things that put us in the pit. Of course
we have free will, so we make a decision. But
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are we encountering these and we'll no big picture will
always encounter these things a part of God's plan.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But for those who are putting, who think they're putting
us in the pit.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Is it their way trying.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
To ensure that we pay, for lack of a.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Better word, in our place, Because it doesn't have to
be a white person.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It can be a black person is doing it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No, I said, it could be anybody.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So do you do you? Is that what is happening?
And then we have to be white?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Are black?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Have to be intellectually mindful.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm not talking to i Q when I say that,
but intellectually mindful of what is actually taking place.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I put it this way. I look at life now
that things are meant to be the way they are.
When people or our position happens, it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You don't get the best version of you unless you
have it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Because I heard my brother say recently, he's uh, he
feel for those those who ain't never been through anything,
because if without contrast, you don't know how to appreciate.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So me personally, I look at life this way. Think
of a whole day.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
What doesn't what two parts doesn't doore it a day
consistent day and night.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So if I don't never understand night, I will never
appreciate my day. So while we think it's people, while
we think it is people that are doing things to us.
Sometimes it's also does I'm pushing you to the next
position when you lose a job, God is pushing you
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to a next to another. But your mind is still
on what I had opposed to.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Where is God taking me?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
When with me I was planning on quitting selling drugs
before before I went to prison.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But maybe, hey, in God's size either you're moving to
so more.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I need you to go understand what life is like
for some other people.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
So guess what I can get you to the next
stage where you.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Can help and have a testimony to help others. Because
and one of my favors, I'm gonna say my favorite
verse out of the Bible. It's Revelations twelve and eleven.
And they overcame by the blood of the Lamb and
by the words their testimony. It's your testimony. People who
ain't ever did nothing, they got a testimony. They they can't,
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they don't, they don't see it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But for people who went through something, you got a testimony.
Testimony that can help somebody realize that God still exists.
You can understand from.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
A different part that Hey, without the things that I've
been through, I wouldn't be the person that I am.
My second book is called The Autobiography of the Butterfly,
How the Caterpillar made It Through, and it's about a
butterfly telling it cater pillar story. If you never share
your caterpillar story and nobody get to see how.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Powerful God has been in your life.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
So thank God for all those who may have in
my mind at that time, was hindering me.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I thank God for I thank God.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
For prison today because guess what, Yes, I may have
hurt some people being there, but look at what I
am now. My parents got to see me a better person.
But not only just a better person, A person with
a mission is trying to help save our youth, help me,
not just help inspire, inspire our.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Elderly or anybody around my age. As long as you
got breath in your body.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You can do things that you would you will not
even be able to amasche.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I was I thank you for mentioning that the butterfly,
but I want to go back to walk a mile
in our shoes? What if the welcome out and our shoes?
So when did you realize that you had a series,
that you had a book there, or you had a
work that would make a difference in our community and
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in our youth compise, because again I always liked for
you to see multiple impacts of individuals. You don't have
to just see an athlete. You don't have to be
just a performer, an actor or a performer. There are
so many ways that you can make an impact.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And the more role.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Models they see, the more I think it expands their minds.
So when did you realize that you had something very
powerful in the welcome out in our shoes?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So when the idea came to me one I.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Read the whole entire Bible and I started realizing sort
of stuff. And it was a few other books as
a man thinking by James Allen, thinking grow rich by
I think it's Napoleon Hill. Read these books and it
started changing my mindset. But setting in prison, I heard
God say three things. This was in twenty fourteen. You're
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gonna leave prison early, the world is gonna see your
art work, and that you are a millionaires. And I'm
setting in prison and I'm like, how, but I believe?
So I started believing it, but I started speaking it
back to myself. So fifteen times a day for a
year and a half, I would say, I'm leaving prison
this year. The world is gonna see my artwork, and
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I am a millionaire.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And what ended up happening. It started reframing my mind.
But in prison, they.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Wouldn't allow us to have art shows, and I would
be I would put my art in there, and I
would go down there and I would watch people all
day long look at my art in marvel.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Some of them will be like oh, some of them
be like they would love the art.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And I realized that this is something that I want
to be, is an artist. So while while there, I
ended up writing three newspapers, all black newspapers, The Miami
at Times, the Florida Sentinel, and then there's one called
Aphram in Texas African American. I forgot the name of it,
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but I wrote him in. All three of them put
my art in their newspapers, and I started telling my
sister to them. I said, look, I'm gonna be a
MEI naw. I would tell him over and over over
and over.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
One of my sisters she.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Do newsletters, and she wrote one day she said, I
got tired of hearing this boy said.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That he was gonna be a me now until I
seen his.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Art in the newspaper, and she became, I would say,
my first believer.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And I even had.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
One of my roommates while I was in prison, excuse
my language, he said your artwork ain't gonna be.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Ship and it hurt. But I'm glad that he said it.
But I'm lad for the most part that I did
not believe it. Because I had to believe it, I
would have quit doing that art.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And there is over I would say eleven thousand something people.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That have never that would have never met me, received
my book or that I.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Have somewhat inspired even in their lives right now. What
they always tell me, Hey, I.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Appreciate you, thank you for the words. But it was
God allowing my light to shine.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So this is a lot of mind. I'm gonna let
it shine.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Let it shine, and you get a moment as the
Bible rest it goes with with that it is, and
let your light so shine among men that they may see.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Your good works and glorified God which has been heaven.
So my only, my only influence is.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
To do what I promised God, and that was the luck.
Let the world know how how I got where I
where at?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh, well, you know I try not do to me.
And these ugly cries these days, can you see? It
just touches me. And and I love the fact because
people need to hear this more often that And it's
about a mind shift when you can look back and
be grateful for of what someone did. So when you
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talk about your roommate in physics saying, oh, you know
that ain't gonna be there anybody gonna come look at
this si, how do you phrase it? You didn't take
that in. You use that to continue to fuel you
and motivate you. And now when you you look back
on it, now, that was a part of your journey
to help you get to where you are this moment,
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and eleven thousand plus people who you've been able to
help with your work. So to me, that's something that
I want folks to take away. Don't always get upset
with the people, because you're right, it's that pression that's
the fine meaning that's make in that pump.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Pray for them.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Look, I understand more now when Jesus said pray pray
for those that despite the youth one I also learned
you can't drink poison and expect somebody else to die. No,
you're gonna die because that hate, all that stuff fuels
you and it'll kill you from inside out. But what
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happens is when you learn to use it as fuel,
when you learn to take these things and make it
work for you, you're in forgive them and pray for
What happens is that love that inside you.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
It transitions.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It really done.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Now, now there's probably some folks who are watching that
they may feel that they've lost too much. They've already
lost too much, they've made too many mistakes. What would
you say to that person who feels that it's too
late for them to make a change.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I would tell them to study people.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So the KFC guy, Colonel Sanders, he was in the
sixties when they when he became a millionnaire. They said,
most people who are over who become meanaires.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Don't do it till they fifty.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
These days, yes, you are having young people do it,
but they are immature with it as well. I will
tell anybody grow a plant and know that you're never
you're never too late. When you're meant to bad fruit,
your bare fruit in your season. My brother recently said
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he heard a pastor say this, there's five seasons in
a year, or he says five seasons in your life,
and I was like, I'm thinking, but he says, uh,
one ofus, one of summer springs fall and then there's
due season. You do to babe, to be fruitful and multiply.
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And when it's said it, it wasn't just talking about
babies and the young people.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It was talking about your thoughts and your ideas. We
are like trees. I learned, and I learned this person
that trees don't eat fruit. People do.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
So the tree don't eat the stuff that it produces
people from those trees. And what we're called to do
is be fruitful and be able to help everybody else
from the fruit that be bad. And your season is coming.
So don't give up, because guess what if you give up,
you forfeit everything that God has for you. I refuse
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to give up because, hey, I heard some I've seen
two of the three things that I named off that
I heard. God tell me I would leave prisoner. I
left four and a half years and my artwork. God
told me my artwork. The world would see my artwork.
Right now, my artwork has been that the World Trade
Center three years in a row. I've exhibited in DC twice,
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Baltimore twice, Florida, Georgia, Phillip twice, Ohio. Now I've sold
over twelve thousand copies of the book, but eleven thy
seven hundred.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Been hand to hand and me signing, signing every one
of them.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
But in front of the African American Museum, I have
sold anywhere between eighty five hundred and ninety five hundred
books standing out here in the last four and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
In the last four years. What I can tell you
you can quit if you want to. You will not
reach your due season.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Look, here's the thing called do season in a the
million dollars is called the food of my label.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's not even tell technical for me. I will be
able to do as they treat you and help other people.
I am called and saw you to help other people
that they may be fruitful. But if you give up,
the people that need to see you there won't see
you there because you won't be that.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
When you both already told them they need to do.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Their planning and understand that when they plant, they're not
planning to their keep for themselves.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
They're balanced through for others.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And I think that's a good analogy and it's actually
what we're doing. If you can tell Carlos, if you
could go back now, if you can look back and
tell that younger the younger man, right as he's about
to make the decision to start, you know, selling drugs
or whatever, if you could tell him anything.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Because you know what he says, you know why he.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Made the decisions that he made. Could you tell your
younger self.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Keep going because it's gonna help you later on. Don't stop.
Look do it, Look, do what you're about to.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Do, because if you don't do it, you will not
be able to survive when everything is going to happen
in your future. Look as much is I hate that
I pause into our community, some things are.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It need to be done to get you where you're gone.
The caterpillar, the caterpillar of you going. You look it up.
It is destructive. It needs up everything that is in.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Its way when it's when it's a caterpillar. But then
there's a time that it goes.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Into its cocoon and reinvents itself.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It really it takes off its old It becomes a
new creature, as the Bible tells you, become a new creature.
It pulls off this old body, which is the word
and becomes chilled inside of the.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Cocoon and insidebody it cannot do anything.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
The only thing that it does in the cocoon is
set down. But it's transforming. Know that you are always transforming.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Trust God, trust the process and what I promise you
you'll come out with means.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
But when you do, go back and tell everybody else.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
How God did that for you, because that is what
everybody needs to know. I understand people only have anxiety
because their spirit is weak.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
People are when you learn to.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Build and work from inside out, not outside in. Most
people are dealing with outside in. They're looking at the
physical and saying, hey, things are messed up out here.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And what your physical is telling your mind is or
your mental is.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
That everything is messed up, and it's telling your emotions
everything is messed up.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
But your spirit is too weak to understand. Hole love.
God told me I'm wonderfully and marvelous.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Marvels is marvelous, the maid, I am more than a
conquer When you when you find out that he said,
I will make.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Your name break and you are you dare to believe it.
What happens is.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
You start working from inside out and your spirits start
telling your emotions calm down, Okay, we gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Do this.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It tells your mental Look, God or my spirit just
told me, look, calm down.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
This thing on and then your outside change.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I only learned to be free from where I was
at prison.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I learned, but to be free here as a man
thinking in his heart. So is he learned to rework
your mind, change your perspective. And what God will do
is change your reality.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Because hey, there's two sides to every cone you ever
hears you ever tails. We're gonna call the heads positive,
tails negative. And it's the one I focus on because
I can't see both at the same time.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I know that you're both there.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
But if I focus on positivity, my whole life changes
to positive.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
This ain't nothing but a computer, and I get to
put what I want to in it.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But if I put choose to look at the negative,
I only see motive. It's you have to to rework
your mind. And all I did, or all God did,
was rework.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
My mind because I learned to apply to principles that
was in the Bible. Whatever you do me, I mean,
I would tell people read the Bible. Look if you're
a Muslim, read the Koran, read your book, learn your
learn what you believe. Now me, I look, I'm a Christian.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I learned what Jesus did, and I start working to
be christ Like.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
That's what it's like.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
That's what it's meant to be a Christian. And a
lot of us don't live. Don't live this thing out now.
And look, I have things that I'm still working on.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
But just drive for me and know that you are.
People will say you're not perfect.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You are for today, just for today, but this moment
you're the best version of youth that you have ever been.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And tomorrow you can't be better. Yeah, in the next
moment you.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Can be better, But for the moment, you are the
best version of youth. Me, I think you're perfect. As
a matter about the floors and what we think. Look
at what God sees. God sees the butterfly, He understands
the caterpillar, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The caterpillar is what has to come, so any and
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Well, you had me tear it up over here, Carlos,
because I love my butterfly.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I have a butterfly jewelry.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Because my whole platform is about transformation and you had
you had me when you sort of walking through the
stages of the butterfly, and I said, parallel to what
we encounter as human beings. You're gonna have to come back, Carlos.
I'm just gonna tell you right now, You're gonna have
to come back. We're gonna have to pick the topic,
(25:49):
and we just gonna we're gonna roll with that one topic.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You got me.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Okay, okay, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Please tell the audience how they can stay in contact
with you, how they can get your artwork and your book.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Look, follow me on Walker's Underscore gallery too. This is
my main page.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
This is why I post that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I do pretty much everything on you can Actually it's
a Lincoln U up in my bio uh for link treat.
You can purchase both of my books on that. They
are twenty five dollars. I sign them, I ship them
and what else?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
What was the other one? The art?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
So if you want to purchase art d m me
you can call me. I think my number is on
the to you call me.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I Look, I love to talk to people and I
have a lot of artwork.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Now, don't sell the artwork that's in what If? But
what I do do if you like a piece that's
in there, I create you one personally for.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You, because that's that is what I do. I want
to make one of the ones I love. I watched God.
God only make one of one, even twins of one
of one. They just look alike.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Oh that's a whole another story.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh Jesus, that did something to me too.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, he only made one so that let us know
that we got purpose and value.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Look, he broke the mold. One of my friends. He
always said, it took six out of one billion's sperm sells.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You made it.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
You made it. You're here for a reason. Don't look,
don't waste this, and don't get upset at the experience.
I don't care. Look, most people have never had a
whole bad day. You had a bad moment. Don't allow
one moment to mess up your whole day. And look,
remember people are supposed to leave here. We're not here forever.
(27:40):
My parents passed since if and home, I was here.
But I will show you nurture your relationships.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
If you do got parents and they still here, look,
don't take it for granted, because they will leave. And
if you got children and they leave before you understand.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
That God blessed you with them. Learn and understan saying
that they are here for a reason, and you can
help somebody else with your testimony. Your story. Your story
is the most powerful thing that you have. You are
the main character of this story. Use it. Look the good,
the bad, the.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Ugly, the beautiful, use it because it's all one day.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's all beautiful.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It consists of it, and you need the darkness to
even understand the good time.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So love it.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Well, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think that's a good message to wrap up the
end of anyone's week because weeks, girln't have to be
days or anyone's experience.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's the message to take.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Make that moment, that day the best it could possibly be.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Because tomorrow's not promise.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So nurture the relationships and nurture relationship with yourself too.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So sometimes we'll nurture with everybody.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Else, but we forget that we've got to nurture the
relationship with ourself first.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So I did, thank you, love you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You cannot call us and you know you just laid
the foundation for my sign out. So carl Us again,
thank you so much for being with me. I know
I'm going to have you back. And to everybody that
joined us, thank you also for being with us. And
as you guys know, my sign off is, before you
go trying to take care of someone else, please make
(29:25):
sure you take care of yourself first, because you can't
do it if you're not taking care of you until
next time.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
By now, thank you too, all right,
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