April 24, 2025 • 33 mins
Host Dr. Teresa A. Smith, Dr. TAS welcomes author and pastor Host Dr. Teresa A. Smith, Dr. TAS welcomes author and air traffic controller Harold Phifer to discuss surviving war, toxic ties, and finding his voice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm doctor Teresa Smith, the host of Talk with TOAs.
Today I had with Nick Harold Feiffert. He's a young
man that's originally from Mississippi that's had the opportunity to
travel the world. He's been in some places that we
don't necessarily want to be in. He's been in the
Middle East as far as the war zones, and he
(00:21):
has had a very interesting career. He's an author, he's
been an air traffic control, he's been an international contractor,
and now he is an author. And so he's got
two books out now. So he is a size and author.
That's where I want to put it. You see it now,
and so today he's going to tell us a little
(00:43):
bit about his journey and also how he's been able
to bounce back from some of the things that he encountered.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
As a young man and growing.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Up with I think it's called an canny and all
the things that he's encountered since being so hand.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Welcome to top of TAS.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thank you glad to be here. How you guys doing.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We are great and I am so appreciative that we
are able to connect.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Maw Harold. I want to jump right in.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Your journey it's not like anything we really hear about
today or every day. You know, at what point did
you realize that your story needed to be shared And
I'm going to say not just survived, but needed to
be shared.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, actually when I was about fourteen, and.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, I knew it was weird, and I felt I'm
gonna write a story one day and never did. And
along with you know, I start trying to bury it,
you know, not doing everybody know, you know, because I
didn't want this sympathy and all.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That as well. You know, one thing I learned, you know,
you know, if you won't pity you, you probably get it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But people want to invite you to the parties and
all that. So I wanted to fit in. So I
was like, I'm gonna kind of squash this, and so
you fed for you know. Many years later, I was
here working in Afghanistan and.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
By camp got hit by suicide obamba.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And in the process, I think I'm going to be killed.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And normally what the Taliban would do they would.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Vomba you know, facility, and then whatever was left they're
come in try and.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Shoot everybody until they were killed.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
So they vombed the place and you know, I'm sitting
there like I guess, I'm there's my nose, got two eyes,
ten fingers still here, and so trying to make it
the safety. Well, while I'm going through all that, my
life started to flashback. And flashback was, you know, back
to my childhood and all the trauma I went through.
(03:03):
And and at that point when it hit me, I'd
always wanted to write a book and I never wrote
that book. And I'm like, I'm about to die and
I never wrote that book. So I said, then, lord,
you let me make it out of here. I'm gonna
write that. You don't write that book. So Chaos, it's
(03:23):
that book, Chaos. How I made it, How I found
piece at a bitch park.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So after I did that, I kept writing, kept writing.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And uh, I said I could do some different and
you know, I start writing, you know, got an alter
ego and wrote fiction and uh so the the follow
up to my first fiction is uh A Fool Indeed,
which is out now, A Fool Indeed under Dean Coney.
(03:53):
And so that got me going out, you know, once
I you know, I made that value.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Oh, I just kind of never stopped.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, now you mentioned the suicide bomber and you saying
to God, if you get me out of this, I
am going to now write this story or start sharing
my truth that you knew at fourteen that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You should share right now.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
In My Bully, My Aunt and her Final.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Year, you focus on emotional wounds.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
How did writing about Aunt Kathie and you know, I'm
gonna say Zion Gate Union backed Church, how did that
impact your healing process?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh? It helped a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
By the time I wrote My Bully, My Aunt and
her Family Gift, I like to have pretty much heal.
But what happened how that book got written with like
say out now, uh, people started to ask me about
the first book, and I Kathy's in the first book
and how weird she was, the way she dominated my
(05:08):
mom and dominate me, And I kept hearing her here.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And now like she needs a book. And I mean,
once again, I had a whole lot of having told
like said, write this book could be easy.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So yeah, So I started to compile all the stuff
that happened with her, and it came up with the
book Surviving Chaos.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, My Bully, My Aunt and her Final Gift.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I want to think I think I mentioned about her
in the first book was about like Kathy and surviving chaos.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
My mom. I'm probably about four or five.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
My mom wanted to buy a car, so she made
the mistake of trying to get Kathy opinion, you know,
you know about the car and everything. So I with
I Cat and my mom and mom test driving you know,
nice car.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know, it was, oh but nice.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
She did a good job, and my aunt cat to
telling her, no, you know, this is not for you,
then took some of the money she had saved up.
So she ended up, you know, after that, going out
buying a bicycle and never you know, never drove. But
once she got to the bicycle, she became the bicycle lady. Anyway,
(06:29):
fast forward, you know from the paint that I wasn't expected.
But after about eighteen nineteen, I bought a car. So
we talked in what fourteen years after my mom first
wanted to buy one, and she asked me if I
weren't teach her to drive, And it hit me, and
(06:50):
not that she was gonna drive or get a car
or drive like she just wanted to learn, and that
it hit me, you know what my aunt had done
to her.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
You know, hmmm, you know, I keep getting chills and
it's not cold, and I keep getting chills. And it's
interesting you mentioned as I was reading My My Billy
and My Aunt and her Final Gift, there's a part
(07:19):
in there where you talk about and I might get it.
I may get it around so forgive me. But you
know you're in Columbus. I think I'm seeing Columbus, and
you were you were gonna get a bike, but then
I think it was something with Jerry, and then you
didn't get a chance to get your bike, and so
you started, you know, finding scraped pieces to make a bike.
(07:42):
I think you called it Frankenstein. And so then when
you tell me again how your mom saw Kathy's advice,
and it seemed like that Kathy was quick to say,
that's say and that's the devil, and then it's almost
like she would use that to then get what she wanted.
(08:02):
And then to see that she basically did the same
thing to both of you. You didn't get your bike
because it might have been her in jailing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Or something, and then she took your mom's.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Money and prevented her from getting told it wasn't it
wasn't the right car for her, took part of her money,
so that prevented her from not driving. But this she
became the bike lady, and then later she's gonna ask
you to teach her how to drive. And when we
talk about generational curses or family dynamics, it's so interesting
(08:39):
to see how you showed and even as you're shared
with us now, how this one person was so pivotal
and impact, acting so many people's lives and then.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Healing right right, Yes, I can't explain her. And the
only thing, excuse me, that makes sense was she raised
all her brothers and most of her brothers, and she
was the oldest and my mom was the youngest girl.
(09:12):
And then she had a brother, Uncle Dan, who was
the youngest guy.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So she really really loved Uncle Dan, and I guess
she stopped loving Mom because I guess Mom got all
the men and she did. Okay, So.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
But they were They would rail on the phone, go
on the phone for hours. Uncle Dan lived in Shreeport, Lucianna,
and we lived in Columbus, So they would always talk
about his youngest child. Uncle Dan talk about his youngest
daughter and never talked about the rest. He had six daughters,
but they only talked about the youngest and my aunt Kathy,
(09:54):
I guess fair enough, Jared was you know, the kid
that she wanted to be mom to, but she never
mentioned the rest of us. So it was a weird dynamic.
But she was color struck for one. And Jerry was
you know, fair skin nice lookingly guy. I mean, I
I give miss crap. He was, and they're outgoing, had
(10:17):
a dynamic smile.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I mean I was.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I was insanely jealous. And it wasn't so much to
look as more of how my aunt treated me, you know,
because I was out going, I was, I was smart,
I was you know, I guess. I mean for a while,
I was doing Jerry homework and I wasn't in school yet.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I should do all this homework, you know. But anyway,
back to Tunka, Dan and Kathy.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
They had this weird bun and it was weird to me,
so so much so that he willed all his possession
to Kathy, and Kathy will all her possession in him.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
What really mattered was the part.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
That that he did more so than aunt Catholic, even
aint Kathy, we weren't her kids, and so do whatever
you want to right well, when he passed first when
he passed.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Of course Kathy.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Got that possession of his house and other you know,
a little small business.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And all other things.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, she wanted to give all those things to Jerry Jamy. Yeah,
so all my which is all within the range of
my age. They were, they were, and that you know,
they got lawyer, had to get a lawyer, and the
lawyer told them they there's nothing they can do until
she passes. And so once she passes, I mean, they
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should be writing a book to you because I hate
to say it, but I think they rejoice.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I can't say I rejoice, and I can't, but I
think they did.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You know, that's interesting, you know, because I think immediately
also the person has to be sick. And it's interesting
that he was not concerned about her too older adults
and they're not in a relationship, a romantic relationships.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That that didn't That would bother me.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
More than the pacing he paced outside all that time
because we didn't like eating out, but.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He didn't. He didn't. It appeared, but we don't know.
It appeared that he didn't have.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Any problems with her sitting there feeding him in a
restaurant full of people.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Think, go ahead, I'm sorry, No, you go ahead. I'm
thinking he probably paid because it's just me.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He probably had built such a persona to his kids,
and he knew if he came in he would break it.
You know, you know, he probably that guy. You know,
I don't believe it eating out. You know, it's a
bunch of mess. I don't know they beating you out
of their money. I don't you know, I don't know.
I never asked him about it, but they told They
said emphatically, he is not coming in, and Cathay said emphatically,
(13:28):
he is. And there was no word exchanged between the two.
We're just sitting there in the restaurant, and she won out.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
All I can say is Catholic was a Catholic guy.
So y'all know, I'm sorry that she was. And if
you got in there, she doesn't put him.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Back to being a little boy, right right exactly. But
you get even more spunky. I told, I told her,
I said their stories that I didn't put it in
the book. That h So you gotta get the bonus part.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So she had a quintupid bypass. We just fired and
I upen to that point. I had never had never heard.
I thought quite.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Drew, you know, the most they do. She had quint tumpet. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So anyway, so she comes, you know, I pick her up,
brought in Memphis, tip with you know, before the surgery,
and you know, pray with the day and the day
out up until the surgery and the whole time though
I never let him the whole time. I'm thinking five,
she ain't even make this. I never heard it. Right,
So the day before you.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Know she uh or right before she went in, I
called the reverend and Reverend Keith, which was eighth koomboom right.
It was like.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It was like me calling your relative and saying, you
told me I need that you would he would give
me money. Like when I called him, it was like
I got the impression of why are you calling me?
What is this about? And I'm gonna explaining. And he
knew me from when I was three or four probably okay,
(15:27):
so he knew I watched. So he didn't say anything.
He didn't say what room she in, He didn't say, uh,
me and the flock could be praying about her. He
didn't say how she's doing. You know, you know, when
it's over, you make sure you give me a car nothing,
(15:48):
So I hang up. I called uncle Dan. No nothing,
same thing, same weirdest weirdess. Blew my mind. He didn't
say room, she in, how long you been there, you know,
let me know, you know, or let me talk to her,
or you know, come when she tells her such nothing
(16:11):
and it blew my mind. Then I called my brother
Jered the Golden Child, and he was count of the
same way.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He would just kind of uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And we all we he had out had a church
relationship anyway, but still, this is your cat. This is
the person that yeah, I mean treated you, you know,
like you were a second comment. Okay, he said, said
nothing in that matter of fact, he hangs up. I
(16:42):
call him back and like, you know, hey, you know,
why didn't you hang up? He didn't say anything, and
I started to go in on him. Hangs up again,
and I was like, it was the weirdest thing, That's
what I'm saying. It's like at that point I felt
like I was missing something. You know, I already had
(17:03):
my opinion about her. When I felt like, the are
any work in her, you know, you know, her weird,
they're weird.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But that goes back to the final not the final chapter,
but one of the last chapters in the book when
when reving Pastor Keith is doing the eulogy, and then
at some point you don't tag team, but it's like
you basically allude to the fact, he let me let
me clean that up. You alluded to the fact that
(17:38):
he knew Unt Kathy m hm, he knew her, he
knew the that was in Kathy, he did.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
You know, so they were you know, I'm not saying
this is what that was happening, but they they had
the faith that God was going to bring her through
that part. I am gonna say that, but they knew
that they were gonna have to deal with uncathod after,
which was in that in the healing and recuperation period.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So I'm just making this out, know what they thought.
So there's no reason for them to be rushing now,
can you understand? Because I'm from the South, you know
what I'm getting. There ain't no reason to be rushing
over there right now because.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
We're gonna have to deal with our cat and we're
gonna take this little reprieve when she's while she's going
through her her surgible prestigure, things are gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Be quieter at the church.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
We might can get some things done that we couldn't
get done.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Character.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I'm just saying, I'm sure that Hell, I know she
probably relates to me.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You've got another I know the type of people.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I've known them my whole life.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
But like I said to the outsider, it's like, oh
my god, he said nobody, and then the one the
Golden Boys, then go hell and hey, well maybe it
was an ad no he hung up. But you know,
but to look.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
At this from another perspective, you have worn many hats,
and you think.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You overcome a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And we've we've we've chuckled about it and and everything.
But it's not a chuckling chuckling matter. But we're on
the other side of it now. You know what part
of your identity has remained steady as you.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You have all these different roles.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know, from air traffic control, you have been an
independent contractor.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And you correct me if I'm wrong, because I think
you were in and I may be wrong. Were you
in the military.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Uh, I've been working with him for about fifteen years now.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, So given all the different roles, what part of
your identity has remained stable as you have continued to
transform into the person that we are talking with today.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Wow, I've been confident, quite confident for one. For sure.
My mom mom and this this is weird though, this
is weird.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
My mom, like I said, schizophrenic. And she would try
to humiliate me every chance she got. And so and
I mean to the point that it was constant, you know,
I mean she would do it. She would talk to
the wall, she would do things, she would do things
(20:46):
in public. So, you know, kids of me. So I
got rid of kids so many ways, to the point
that it's hard to embarrass me. That's been consistent for
a loan.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I made. I maybe shocked or I may, I may,
you know, you give it.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Some thought, but then it's like, oh, well, I'm going
in you know whatever. It's hard to humiliate me because
my mom take all the room on that one, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, How did that help you to navigate the different
the different disruptions that were occurring and even with the
suicide bomber when you were in Afghan aison?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
How did that sort of mindset.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Help you to.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I guess, I want to say, overcome or manage those
different disruptions that were happening.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
With the suicide bomb. Two things happen. It was kind
of like after it's over, after it was over, it's
more like, maybe I should quit this now, you know,
I've done enough, but I don't know. I guess all
the trauma that I did see it makes you put
(22:07):
things in perspective. You know a lot of things that
you think are bad not nearly as bad as you
can you know or you know.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So it helps me, I guess, in a sense, get
up from you know, we all go through some kind
of depression. It helps me get through it, like this
is not the you know, okay, if you all go bad,
so what I've had worse? You know, I never forget.
(22:43):
When I first started my career, we ad to study
a lot, I mean, and I remember thinking, man, I
actually try and study. When I sat home and it
would be too cold because you had cracks in the
wall and in the floor, and you're homery. I said,
they're feeding me. I got a good place to stay.
I can keep studying, you know. So if things like
(23:07):
that's like, you know, I've gone through worse things and
trying to put it together. So yeah, this is not
nearly you know the worst.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
What help you not walk away? But it rides above it?
What advice would you give them to help them to
rise above it? Because you have you have risen above it,
So what advice would you give that person?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
A lot of time we make it worse. I mean,
we kind of know what identified we see it, and
you make it worse sometimes by trying to beat it,
trying to overcome it, rather than just I can quit
and start anew. And we we hate starting over, regardless
of what it is. We always hate starting.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Over, you know, we hate you know, I was you know,
you know I had this this nice car, and now
I got to drive a pinto you know, you hate
starting over? Oh you know I was in this five
hundred thousand dollars house and now I got it. I'm
in a small apartment. People hate starting over.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And it's only life, it's only things and your piece
of mine. It's far value.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
But I think and if something, a lot of times
people wait till they go to their lowers to realize that.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And I'm saying, don't don't wait till you go to
your lowers, and you may not have enough fight left
by the time you get to the lowest.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You know, yeah, but that is so important.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Now if you could could looking back, you know where
you are right now, what would you say to your
younger self, the version of the version of you that
may be still caught and pay in survival or silence?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What would you say to that person?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
State of course, keep believing in yourself. Definitely move away
from Aunt Cathy sooner. It took me a while to
completely move away from her. Two things, and one is spiritual.
I've seen college at Jackson State and I was about
(25:28):
it's my second college.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I went to Mississi State. First at Jackson State, and I,
you know, I was like, man, why can't I find success?
Why can't I you know, because I didn't really want
to go to college for the second term, but I
had to. Didn't have a job at So I asked
myself or God, So what is wrong? You know think
(25:53):
I'm pretty smart and I'm driven, I'm a good person.
What am I doing wrong?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
And I promise you at some point when I said
at some point, we I can't tell you when I
got a boss that said, you don't believe in yourself
and that's how it's And I start believing once I
started believing in myself. I started getting better, you know,
job offers, uh, you know, date, just things just start
(26:25):
to happen. And it was just so weird. Start to
do better in college.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It was just.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Weird and all because I, you know, I didn't believe
in myself. The other one, I said, Leavink Cathy sooner
even though about twelve, and I talked in the book
when the last beating she gave me, I was about eleven,
and I started to put some distance, but I didn't
put enough distance.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But I was about eighteen.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I had bought a car, and then my brother got
no to a fight because he wanted to possess.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
My car because he's Jerry.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
So I finally got the courage and got the better
beat beat him up, not beat him up, but got
the better. Well, all our life he used to beat
me up, and I run out of Cathay. You know,
you know, hey, this dude beat me up, picking on me.
She never said anything, you know, put a band aid
on my wound and send me back, send me back home.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So the first time I got the better of Jerry,
she comes over and she give me this conversation. I'm
about eighteen She's like, you know, who do you think
you are? You're not gonna be fighting anybody around here,
you know. And the whole time growing up, I never
I never looked away when she talked to me, never
(27:47):
rolled my eyes, never looked down, never talked under my brow, never,
you know, gave any aggressive.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Stands anything.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So once she had in this conversation, you know, you're
not gonna do this and you're definitely gonna, you know,
touch Jerry again, she.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Showed me what she should she'll be working with. She
had a third expect And then and that broke me
because I had.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Never been disobedient to her, never, and and that that
just took all the air out. But and then when
you realize you feel bad for I guess that's expecting
better of her. Let's say, from eleven until that point.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
You known I waste all those years thinking there was
something there. You know. Yeah, that that broke me.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
But it didn't keep you down.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
No, I was. I was on my way. Even Reverend
Keith talked about it, like, you know, I support you
going to college. You know, when he he gipt me
into doing the eulogy, so I think he saw it
(29:12):
as wild.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's I'm kind of a minute, probably for attention, you know,
because Jerry was getting in I wasn't, and but he
saw that I had something the net probably could amount
to something, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, And now tell the audience how many books you got,
how they can keep up with you, and where they
can get your book set.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Okay, all right, the big room right now. I've written
about seven published.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Five, okay, And this is my new way. My bully,
my aunt, and he found a gift.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The paperback is definitely on a called book Baby Book
Baby Bookshop, or you can order on Amazon. It's on
back order, so it's gonna take him about two weeks
to get it to you.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But book Baby Bookshop, you get it immediately. You can
get you will get the e book on the audio book,
you can get it immediately from Amazon. My other book
that I got out, I write a pen name and
I hate to share it, but since I'm not there yet,
I have to share my pen name called Dean Coney.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And the first one at the first story.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It's a series. The first one was called for me
thrice Money, Money changes everything, and it's this character he
you know, his woman eyes. He had a lot of
money lost it all and he's trying to go straight.
He's trying to.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Find love and you know, found a new life and
trying to find it, you know, money and uh, the
books take you on that journey and then the the fallo.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Up to that. That one is what's out now A
Fool Indeed, the same character. The character name is Charlie Moe.
He's back and.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Well, he got to take you for a lot of
money in the first book. So he's back trying to
get his money back. But it's going to lead him
on some places he didn't wasn't prepared for. So that
the love of his life. All that's in jeopardy. So
A Fool Indeed by Dean Coney And it's on Amazon, ebook, paperback,
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hardcover and eventually the audiobook would be.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
There, right, And I've downloaded Kathy and the last one
with this young man that you just hold up. I
downloaded that on both of those on my candle, so
I know it's Amazon.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So I downloaded both of those. And how can people
keep up with your hair?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yes, my website is rise Andread dot com probably see
it in the background. Or my Facebook is Harold Fifer
two zero two four, same thing. At Instagram harrow Fifer
two zero two four. I guess you want to go
over the X. I'm at Achi Fighter like Hotel Echo
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Poppa Hotel in India, Fox Trot Echo Romeo Achi Fighters.
It's my handle at Twitter, and like I said, hopefully
you stick with me, follow me, see me on some
of these platform like yours. I'm doing a lot of podcasts,
a lot of interviews, trying to get the word out,
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you know, a few requests.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm loving it. People loving the books, and it's having
a hard time keep keeping the book in stock. Hopefully
the same thing happen with the food. Indeed, I dean't counting,
but more like you're seeing on.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Some the platform, I hope people like and share and
you see me on your social media. I want to
keep spreading the word and I like, I like what's
going on. Having fun with it?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, you know that's what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Have fun with what you're doing, so you're not really working,
and that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And I can tell you, guys, I have been reading
My Bully.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And Her Final Gift, which is like Kathy, She's a
hoop and you will enjoy that book. And I can
only imagine once I started reading the other one our
audience rather, thank you so much for joining us, and remember,
before you go trying to take care of somebody else,
please make sure you take care of yourself first.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I know
I'm doctor Teresa Smith, the host of Talk with TOAs.
Today I had with Nick Harold Feiffert. He's a young
man that's originally from Mississippi that's had the opportunity to
travel the world. He's been in some places that we
don't necessarily want to be in. He's been in the
Middle East as far as the war zones, and he
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has had a very interesting career. He's an author, he's
been an air traffic control, he's been an international contractor,
and now he is an author. And so he's got
two books out now. So he is a size and author.
That's where I want to put it. You see it now,
and so today he's going to tell us a little
(00:43):
bit about his journey and also how he's been able
to bounce back from some of the things that he encountered.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
As a young man and growing.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Up with I think it's called an canny and all
the things that he's encountered since being so hand.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Welcome to top of TAS.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thank you glad to be here. How you guys doing.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We are great and I am so appreciative that we
are able to connect.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Maw Harold. I want to jump right in.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Your journey it's not like anything we really hear about
today or every day. You know, at what point did
you realize that your story needed to be shared And
I'm going to say not just survived, but needed to
be shared.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, actually when I was about fourteen, and.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, I knew it was weird, and I felt I'm
gonna write a story one day and never did. And
along with you know, I start trying to bury it,
you know, not doing everybody know, you know, because I
didn't want this sympathy and all.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That as well. You know, one thing I learned, you know,
you know, if you won't pity you, you probably get it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But people want to invite you to the parties and
all that. So I wanted to fit in. So I
was like, I'm gonna kind of squash this, and so
you fed for you know. Many years later, I was
here working in Afghanistan and.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
By camp got hit by suicide obamba.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And in the process, I think I'm going to be killed.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And normally what the Taliban would do they would.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Vomba you know, facility, and then whatever was left they're
come in try and.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Shoot everybody until they were killed.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
So they vombed the place and you know, I'm sitting
there like I guess, I'm there's my nose, got two eyes,
ten fingers still here, and so trying to make it
the safety. Well, while I'm going through all that, my
life started to flashback. And flashback was, you know, back
to my childhood and all the trauma I went through.
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And and at that point when it hit me, I'd
always wanted to write a book and I never wrote
that book. And I'm like, I'm about to die and
I never wrote that book. So I said, then, lord,
you let me make it out of here. I'm gonna
write that. You don't write that book. So Chaos, it's
(03:23):
that book, Chaos. How I made it, How I found
piece at a bitch park.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So after I did that, I kept writing, kept writing.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And uh, I said I could do some different and
you know, I start writing, you know, got an alter
ego and wrote fiction and uh so the the follow
up to my first fiction is uh A Fool Indeed,
which is out now, A Fool Indeed under Dean Coney.
(03:53):
And so that got me going out, you know, once
I you know, I made that value.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Oh, I just kind of never stopped.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, now you mentioned the suicide bomber and you saying
to God, if you get me out of this, I
am going to now write this story or start sharing
my truth that you knew at fourteen that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You should share right now.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
In My Bully, My Aunt and her Final.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Year, you focus on emotional wounds.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
How did writing about Aunt Kathie and you know, I'm
gonna say Zion Gate Union backed Church, how did that
impact your healing process?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh? It helped a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
By the time I wrote My Bully, My Aunt and
her Family Gift, I like to have pretty much heal.
But what happened how that book got written with like
say out now, uh, people started to ask me about
the first book, and I Kathy's in the first book
and how weird she was, the way she dominated my
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mom and dominate me, And I kept hearing her here.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And now like she needs a book. And I mean,
once again, I had a whole lot of having told
like said, write this book could be easy.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So yeah, So I started to compile all the stuff
that happened with her, and it came up with the
book Surviving Chaos.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, My Bully, My Aunt and her Final Gift.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I want to think I think I mentioned about her
in the first book was about like Kathy and surviving chaos.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
My mom. I'm probably about four or five.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
My mom wanted to buy a car, so she made
the mistake of trying to get Kathy opinion, you know,
you know about the car and everything. So I with
I Cat and my mom and mom test driving you know,
nice car.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know, it was, oh but nice.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
She did a good job, and my aunt cat to
telling her, no, you know, this is not for you,
then took some of the money she had saved up.
So she ended up, you know, after that, going out
buying a bicycle and never you know, never drove. But
once she got to the bicycle, she became the bicycle lady. Anyway,
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fast forward, you know from the paint that I wasn't expected.
But after about eighteen nineteen, I bought a car. So
we talked in what fourteen years after my mom first
wanted to buy one, and she asked me if I
weren't teach her to drive, And it hit me, and
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not that she was gonna drive or get a car
or drive like she just wanted to learn, and that
it hit me, you know what my aunt had done
to her.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
You know, hmmm, you know, I keep getting chills and
it's not cold, and I keep getting chills. And it's
interesting you mentioned as I was reading My My Billy
and My Aunt and her Final Gift, there's a part
(07:19):
in there where you talk about and I might get it.
I may get it around so forgive me. But you
know you're in Columbus. I think I'm seeing Columbus, and
you were you were gonna get a bike, but then
I think it was something with Jerry, and then you
didn't get a chance to get your bike, and so
you started, you know, finding scraped pieces to make a bike.
(07:42):
I think you called it Frankenstein. And so then when
you tell me again how your mom saw Kathy's advice,
and it seemed like that Kathy was quick to say,
that's say and that's the devil, and then it's almost
like she would use that to then get what she wanted.
(08:02):
And then to see that she basically did the same
thing to both of you. You didn't get your bike
because it might have been her in jailing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Or something, and then she took your mom's.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Money and prevented her from getting told it wasn't it
wasn't the right car for her, took part of her money,
so that prevented her from not driving. But this she
became the bike lady, and then later she's gonna ask
you to teach her how to drive. And when we
talk about generational curses or family dynamics, it's so interesting
(08:39):
to see how you showed and even as you're shared
with us now, how this one person was so pivotal
and impact, acting so many people's lives and then.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Healing right right, Yes, I can't explain her. And the
only thing, excuse me, that makes sense was she raised
all her brothers and most of her brothers, and she
was the oldest and my mom was the youngest girl.
(09:12):
And then she had a brother, Uncle Dan, who was
the youngest guy.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So she really really loved Uncle Dan, and I guess
she stopped loving Mom because I guess Mom got all
the men and she did. Okay, So.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
But they were They would rail on the phone, go
on the phone for hours. Uncle Dan lived in Shreeport, Lucianna,
and we lived in Columbus, So they would always talk
about his youngest child. Uncle Dan talk about his youngest
daughter and never talked about the rest. He had six daughters,
but they only talked about the youngest and my aunt Kathy,
(09:54):
I guess fair enough, Jared was you know, the kid
that she wanted to be mom to, but she never
mentioned the rest of us. So it was a weird dynamic.
But she was color struck for one. And Jerry was
you know, fair skin nice lookingly guy. I mean, I
I give miss crap. He was, and they're outgoing, had
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a dynamic smile.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I mean I was.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I was insanely jealous. And it wasn't so much to
look as more of how my aunt treated me, you know,
because I was out going, I was, I was smart,
I was you know, I guess. I mean for a while,
I was doing Jerry homework and I wasn't in school yet.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I should do all this homework, you know. But anyway,
back to Tunka, Dan and Kathy.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
They had this weird bun and it was weird to me,
so so much so that he willed all his possession
to Kathy, and Kathy will all her possession in him.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
What really mattered was the part.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
That that he did more so than aunt Catholic, even
aint Kathy, we weren't her kids, and so do whatever
you want to right well, when he passed first when
he passed.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Of course Kathy.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Got that possession of his house and other you know,
a little small business.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And all other things.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, she wanted to give all those things to Jerry Jamy. Yeah,
so all my which is all within the range of
my age. They were, they were, and that you know,
they got lawyer, had to get a lawyer, and the
lawyer told them they there's nothing they can do until
she passes. And so once she passes, I mean, they
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should be writing a book to you because I hate
to say it, but I think they rejoice.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I can't say I rejoice, and I can't, but I
think they did.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You know, that's interesting, you know, because I think immediately
also the person has to be sick. And it's interesting
that he was not concerned about her too older adults
and they're not in a relationship, a romantic relationships.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That that didn't That would bother me.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
More than the pacing he paced outside all that time
because we didn't like eating out, but.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He didn't. He didn't. It appeared, but we don't know.
It appeared that he didn't have.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Any problems with her sitting there feeding him in a
restaurant full of people.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Think, go ahead, I'm sorry, No, you go ahead. I'm
thinking he probably paid because it's just me.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He probably had built such a persona to his kids,
and he knew if he came in he would break it.
You know, you know, he probably that guy. You know,
I don't believe it eating out. You know, it's a
bunch of mess. I don't know they beating you out
of their money. I don't you know, I don't know.
I never asked him about it, but they told They
said emphatically, he is not coming in, and Cathay said emphatically,
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he is. And there was no word exchanged between the two.
We're just sitting there in the restaurant, and she won out.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
All I can say is Catholic was a Catholic guy.
So y'all know, I'm sorry that she was. And if
you got in there, she doesn't put him.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Back to being a little boy, right right exactly. But
you get even more spunky. I told, I told her,
I said their stories that I didn't put it in
the book. That h So you gotta get the bonus part.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So she had a quintupid bypass. We just fired and
I upen to that point. I had never had never heard.
I thought quite.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Drew, you know, the most they do. She had quint tumpet. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So anyway, so she comes, you know, I pick her up,
brought in Memphis, tip with you know, before the surgery,
and you know, pray with the day and the day
out up until the surgery and the whole time though
I never let him the whole time. I'm thinking five,
she ain't even make this. I never heard it. Right,
So the day before you.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Know she uh or right before she went in, I
called the reverend and Reverend Keith, which was eighth koomboom right.
It was like.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It was like me calling your relative and saying, you
told me I need that you would he would give
me money. Like when I called him, it was like
I got the impression of why are you calling me?
What is this about? And I'm gonna explaining. And he
knew me from when I was three or four probably okay,
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so he knew I watched. So he didn't say anything.
He didn't say what room she in, He didn't say, uh,
me and the flock could be praying about her. He
didn't say how she's doing. You know, you know, when
it's over, you make sure you give me a car nothing,
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So I hang up. I called uncle Dan. No nothing,
same thing, same weirdest weirdess. Blew my mind. He didn't
say room, she in, how long you been there, you know,
let me know, you know, or let me talk to her,
or you know, come when she tells her such nothing
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and it blew my mind. Then I called my brother
Jered the Golden Child, and he was count of the
same way.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He would just kind of uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And we all we he had out had a church
relationship anyway, but still, this is your cat. This is
the person that yeah, I mean treated you, you know,
like you were a second comment. Okay, he said, said
nothing in that matter of fact, he hangs up. I
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call him back and like, you know, hey, you know,
why didn't you hang up? He didn't say anything, and
I started to go in on him. Hangs up again,
and I was like, it was the weirdest thing, That's
what I'm saying. It's like at that point I felt
like I was missing something. You know, I already had
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my opinion about her. When I felt like, the are
any work in her, you know, you know, her weird,
they're weird.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But that goes back to the final not the final chapter,
but one of the last chapters in the book when
when reving Pastor Keith is doing the eulogy, and then
at some point you don't tag team, but it's like
you basically allude to the fact, he let me let
me clean that up. You alluded to the fact that
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he knew Unt Kathy m hm, he knew her, he
knew the that was in Kathy, he did.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
You know, so they were you know, I'm not saying
this is what that was happening, but they they had
the faith that God was going to bring her through
that part. I am gonna say that, but they knew
that they were gonna have to deal with uncathod after,
which was in that in the healing and recuperation period.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So I'm just making this out, know what they thought.
So there's no reason for them to be rushing now,
can you understand? Because I'm from the South, you know
what I'm getting. There ain't no reason to be rushing
over there right now because.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
We're gonna have to deal with our cat and we're
gonna take this little reprieve when she's while she's going
through her her surgible prestigure, things are gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Be quieter at the church.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
We might can get some things done that we couldn't
get done.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Character.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I'm just saying, I'm sure that Hell, I know she
probably relates to me.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You've got another I know the type of people.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I've known them my whole life.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
But like I said to the outsider, it's like, oh
my god, he said nobody, and then the one the
Golden Boys, then go hell and hey, well maybe it
was an ad no he hung up. But you know,
but to look.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
At this from another perspective, you have worn many hats,
and you think.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You overcome a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And we've we've we've chuckled about it and and everything.
But it's not a chuckling chuckling matter. But we're on
the other side of it now. You know what part
of your identity has remained steady as you.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You have all these different roles.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know, from air traffic control, you have been an
independent contractor.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And you correct me if I'm wrong, because I think
you were in and I may be wrong. Were you
in the military.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Uh, I've been working with him for about fifteen years now.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, So given all the different roles, what part of
your identity has remained stable as you have continued to
transform into the person that we are talking with today.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Wow, I've been confident, quite confident for one. For sure.
My mom mom and this this is weird though, this
is weird.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
My mom, like I said, schizophrenic. And she would try
to humiliate me every chance she got. And so and
I mean to the point that it was constant, you know,
I mean she would do it. She would talk to
the wall, she would do things, she would do things
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in public. So, you know, kids of me. So I
got rid of kids so many ways, to the point
that it's hard to embarrass me. That's been consistent for
a loan.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I made. I maybe shocked or I may, I may,
you know, you give it.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Some thought, but then it's like, oh, well, I'm going
in you know whatever. It's hard to humiliate me because
my mom take all the room on that one, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, How did that help you to navigate the different
the different disruptions that were occurring and even with the
suicide bomber when you were in Afghan aison?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
How did that sort of mindset.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Help you to.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I guess, I want to say, overcome or manage those
different disruptions that were happening.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
With the suicide bomb. Two things happen. It was kind
of like after it's over, after it was over, it's
more like, maybe I should quit this now, you know,
I've done enough, but I don't know. I guess all
the trauma that I did see it makes you put
(22:07):
things in perspective. You know a lot of things that
you think are bad not nearly as bad as you
can you know or you know.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So it helps me, I guess, in a sense, get
up from you know, we all go through some kind
of depression. It helps me get through it, like this
is not the you know, okay, if you all go bad,
so what I've had worse? You know, I never forget.
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When I first started my career, we ad to study
a lot, I mean, and I remember thinking, man, I
actually try and study. When I sat home and it
would be too cold because you had cracks in the
wall and in the floor, and you're homery. I said,
they're feeding me. I got a good place to stay.
I can keep studying, you know. So if things like
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that's like, you know, I've gone through worse things and
trying to put it together. So yeah, this is not
nearly you know the worst.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
What help you not walk away? But it rides above it?
What advice would you give them to help them to
rise above it? Because you have you have risen above it,
So what advice would you give that person?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
A lot of time we make it worse. I mean,
we kind of know what identified we see it, and
you make it worse sometimes by trying to beat it,
trying to overcome it, rather than just I can quit
and start anew. And we we hate starting over, regardless
of what it is. We always hate starting.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Over, you know, we hate you know, I was you know,
you know I had this this nice car, and now
I got to drive a pinto you know, you hate
starting over? Oh you know I was in this five
hundred thousand dollars house and now I got it. I'm
in a small apartment. People hate starting over.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And it's only life, it's only things and your piece
of mine. It's far value.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
But I think and if something, a lot of times
people wait till they go to their lowers to realize that.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And I'm saying, don't don't wait till you go to
your lowers, and you may not have enough fight left
by the time you get to the lowest.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You know, yeah, but that is so important.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Now if you could could looking back, you know where
you are right now, what would you say to your
younger self, the version of the version of you that
may be still caught and pay in survival or silence?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What would you say to that person?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
State of course, keep believing in yourself. Definitely move away
from Aunt Cathy sooner. It took me a while to
completely move away from her. Two things, and one is spiritual.
I've seen college at Jackson State and I was about
(25:28):
it's my second college.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I went to Mississi State. First at Jackson State, and I,
you know, I was like, man, why can't I find success?
Why can't I you know, because I didn't really want
to go to college for the second term, but I
had to. Didn't have a job at So I asked
myself or God, So what is wrong? You know think
(25:53):
I'm pretty smart and I'm driven, I'm a good person.
What am I doing wrong?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
And I promise you at some point when I said
at some point, we I can't tell you when I
got a boss that said, you don't believe in yourself
and that's how it's And I start believing once I
started believing in myself. I started getting better, you know,
job offers, uh, you know, date, just things just start
(26:25):
to happen. And it was just so weird. Start to
do better in college.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It was just.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Weird and all because I, you know, I didn't believe
in myself. The other one, I said, Leavink Cathy sooner
even though about twelve, and I talked in the book
when the last beating she gave me, I was about eleven,
and I started to put some distance, but I didn't
put enough distance.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But I was about eighteen.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I had bought a car, and then my brother got
no to a fight because he wanted to possess.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
My car because he's Jerry.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
So I finally got the courage and got the better
beat beat him up, not beat him up, but got
the better. Well, all our life he used to beat
me up, and I run out of Cathay. You know,
you know, hey, this dude beat me up, picking on me.
She never said anything, you know, put a band aid
on my wound and send me back, send me back home.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So the first time I got the better of Jerry,
she comes over and she give me this conversation. I'm
about eighteen She's like, you know, who do you think
you are? You're not gonna be fighting anybody around here,
you know. And the whole time growing up, I never
I never looked away when she talked to me, never
(27:47):
rolled my eyes, never looked down, never talked under my brow, never,
you know, gave any aggressive.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Stands anything.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So once she had in this conversation, you know, you're
not gonna do this and you're definitely gonna, you know,
touch Jerry again, she.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Showed me what she should she'll be working with. She
had a third expect And then and that broke me
because I had.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Never been disobedient to her, never, and and that that
just took all the air out. But and then when
you realize you feel bad for I guess that's expecting
better of her. Let's say, from eleven until that point.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
You known I waste all those years thinking there was
something there. You know. Yeah, that that broke me.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
But it didn't keep you down.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
No, I was. I was on my way. Even Reverend
Keith talked about it, like, you know, I support you
going to college. You know, when he he gipt me
into doing the eulogy, so I think he saw it
(29:12):
as wild.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's I'm kind of a minute, probably for attention, you know,
because Jerry was getting in I wasn't, and but he
saw that I had something the net probably could amount
to something, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, And now tell the audience how many books you got,
how they can keep up with you, and where they
can get your book set.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Okay, all right, the big room right now. I've written
about seven published.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Five, okay, And this is my new way. My bully,
my aunt, and he found a gift.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The paperback is definitely on a called book Baby Book
Baby Bookshop, or you can order on Amazon. It's on
back order, so it's gonna take him about two weeks
to get it to you.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But book Baby Bookshop, you get it immediately. You can
get you will get the e book on the audio book,
you can get it immediately from Amazon. My other book
that I got out, I write a pen name and
I hate to share it, but since I'm not there yet,
I have to share my pen name called Dean Coney.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And the first one at the first story.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It's a series. The first one was called for me
thrice Money, Money changes everything, and it's this character he
you know, his woman eyes. He had a lot of
money lost it all and he's trying to go straight.
He's trying to.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Find love and you know, found a new life and
trying to find it, you know, money and uh, the
books take you on that journey and then the the fallo.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Up to that. That one is what's out now A
Fool Indeed, the same character. The character name is Charlie Moe.
He's back and.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Well, he got to take you for a lot of
money in the first book. So he's back trying to
get his money back. But it's going to lead him
on some places he didn't wasn't prepared for. So that
the love of his life. All that's in jeopardy. So
A Fool Indeed by Dean Coney And it's on Amazon, ebook, paperback,
(31:37):
hardcover and eventually the audiobook would be.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
There, right, And I've downloaded Kathy and the last one
with this young man that you just hold up. I
downloaded that on both of those on my candle, so
I know it's Amazon.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So I downloaded both of those. And how can people
keep up with your hair?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yes, my website is rise Andread dot com probably see
it in the background. Or my Facebook is Harold Fifer
two zero two four, same thing. At Instagram harrow Fifer
two zero two four. I guess you want to go
over the X. I'm at Achi Fighter like Hotel Echo
(32:25):
Poppa Hotel in India, Fox Trot Echo Romeo Achi Fighters.
It's my handle at Twitter, and like I said, hopefully
you stick with me, follow me, see me on some
of these platform like yours. I'm doing a lot of podcasts,
a lot of interviews, trying to get the word out,
(32:48):
you know, a few requests.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm loving it. People loving the books, and it's having
a hard time keep keeping the book in stock. Hopefully
the same thing happen with the food. Indeed, I dean't counting,
but more like you're seeing on.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Some the platform, I hope people like and share and
you see me on your social media. I want to
keep spreading the word and I like, I like what's
going on. Having fun with it?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, you know that's what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Have fun with what you're doing, so you're not really working,
and that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And I can tell you, guys, I have been reading
My Bully.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And Her Final Gift, which is like Kathy, She's a
hoop and you will enjoy that book. And I can
only imagine once I started reading the other one our
audience rather, thank you so much for joining us, and remember,
before you go trying to take care of somebody else,
please make sure you take care of yourself first.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I know
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