Jonathan tells Lucy about the shocking stories he and co-author Amie Parnes uncovered about former President Joe Biden's disastrous late exit from the race against Donald Trump in the 2024 election, how he made Kamala Harris beg for his endorsement and how Barack Obama wasn't convinced she was the right candidate.
Lucy and Jonathan also discuss what next for the Democrats, the state of the UK-U.S. relationship under Trump and whether the president is really going down an authoritarian path.
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