The Keys (S03E22)

Kramer moves to California after Jerry takes back his keys. Meanwhile, Jerry and George find a Murphy Brown spec script written by Elaine. A great season finale that sets up the "golden era" of Seinfeld!

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Episode Transcript

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Talking Seinfeld has brought to you bythe four figure discount network. Why did
you watch him? What did youask me? I still dead? You
get out? Get out? Ineed my fair keys. Oh here's your
key? Did you keep them?I don't want them anymore? Good?
I don't want my keys back fromyou. You don't want me to hold
your keys? Oh you can't betrusted? All right? All right?

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And I don't want you to holdMark good. I won't good. Don't
are these my keys? These aremy keys? Are these I don't know?

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Welcome to Talking Seinfeld, the podcastwhere we discuss everything we know about
the show about nothing. And herewe at the end of season three.
We've made it to the finale.We're here to discuss the keys. I
am Denna, and I am goingwait a minute, I'm I'm looking around
for my keys. Have you gotthem? Where are my keys? You've
never given me your keys? Younever get me your keys either. I'd
one was going around. But itwas a very it was a very nice

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moment. I think it might havebeen the second birthday that I shared with
the lovely Louise. She gave mea key to her house. I'm like,
we're getting somewhere. Did you giveher the key to your heart?
I didn't. I did that likea week into our relationship. And then
yeah, I think next no,I think her birthday. The next one
was like, here's a kid inmy play. You see, I'm not
using that. Well, would Icome to your dump? So? How

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was your weekend? So how youbeen? It was good man, nice
weekend, Thank you very much.So there was a lot of eventful stuff,
mainly involving the lovely Louise. She'ssetting up her room as a as
a counselor for people with emotional issues, but when we've got to turn it
into a nice safe space. We'dinitially bought some furnishure for it, but

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then lou decided she wanted some differentfurnishure for it. We went and bought
it, found it on the onFacebook marketplace. I'm getting hooked on that.
I'm getting done selling shit. Solsold the old TV that had been
gathering dust in the back room,and you know, got myself, you
know, a couple of nice Crispfifties for it. I'm like, sweet,
get ridden and get rid of moreof the junk. If I can

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get some catsny for it. Um, so there was that and the you
know, sort of various events.I cooked a couple of very nice meals
and generally made myself boyfriend of theyears. I no nice times this weekend.
Thank you, Danda. How aboutyourself? I imagine you will run
off your feet. Yeah, fiveyear old birthday parties back to back.
So not back to back, butSaturday out for lunchtime. Five year old

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birthday party had to go there.Then had a family for a barbecue,
which is always nice but maddic.Oh mate, do you I have a
story for you? Actually, holyshit, it just dawned to me Saturday
night. The barbecue caught on fire? What nearly by the fucking house down?
Legit, we're neither the fire extibitioneverything. The barbecue caught on fire.
I just remembered that that's just sortof shot up from the grille or

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was there a problem around the gasbottle or what isn't That is a case
of a perfect case of daddy,daddy brain, my house and the corn
on fire. I forgot about itanyway, So cooking barbecue for my family
right Saturday afternoon, and all ofa sudden, the flames start getting a
bit bigger, and I was like, that's gotta big. Might turn these
down the six it's a six burnedto barbecue, only had two burners on
right. I'm like, pretty big. That flame might turn these right down.

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Flame. I can still see Ican see sort of under the grill,
but it's sort of like it's aflat top one. It's not a
proper grill. It's just a lotof flat I can see in the gaps.
I'm like, that looks pretty bigunder there. And all of a
sudden, look at the back ofthe barbecue and there's just flames coming out
at the back of the barbecue andit's right next to a fence. I'm
like, whoa. So I pullthe barbecue away from the fence and the
flames should start in golfing. Thebarbecue is just on fire, and I'm

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like, my shit, God,turn the gas off. I'm yelling out,
get the EXTINGUI should get the extinguisher. Everyone's inside, the doors closed,
laugh, you're having a good time. I'm fucking waving my arms at
the window. Get the extinguisher.They're like, what, we can't we
can't hear you. I'm like,open the fucking window. Then I pointed
like fire, and I said,Nicholas sort of says something like I think

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he wants something. I'm like,get wish. I'm like doing the doing
the signals for the extinguish. I'mlike, get it, get it,
get it. So they find mymum opened the window. What's wrong,
I said, fire there She goes, oh shit. Nicola runs out with
a blank at fire. Blank like, Nicola, we need an extinguish,
not a fire. I don't knowwhere it is. I'm like, find
it now. She runs in theside, and my dad's out there too.

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She get the extinguish. You finallyeven get it. Sprayed the barbecue
down. Man nearly beat the fuckinghouse down. And it turns out that
it must have just been a bitof fat. Just didn't like all this
it because barbecue. I cleaned thebarbecue that after doing the barbecue was clean,
but then there must have been somethingon the tray, the fat dripping
down the barbecue. Just didn't likeit, and bam, it was off.
Holy it was. It was quitescary. For a moment. There

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was dinner ruined. Dinner was thething. So dinner was had just finished
getting cooking. Dad yells out ofthe window over the door and goes,
how's it going out here. I'myeah, it's all good, it's all
finished. Get me some trays.But by that by the time Dad had
gone in to get a tray,He's looking through the keep, was looking
through the covers for trays as I'myelling at exteen shot exteen. We shot
like it happened bag, just likethat. I was like, what the

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fuck? But man, it wasscary. Yeah, because it was near
the fence. I'm going to burneveryone's house down. Yeah, oh god,
be absolutely hit than neighbor. Yeah. So thankfully the neighbor's next door
wren't home. Um. Yeah,but yeah, so that was a bit
of a fiasco. I kept Idid keep my call though, but I
was just I was just like,fire, Can anyone see a fire right

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there? Come out and help meplease. So that was my afternoon,
and then Sunday morning backed up witha five yearb birthday party again. So
it was very eventful. As youcan tell. You didn't hurt yourself.
Did you're not burned in anyway?No? No, no, I didn't
get burned. No no. Andyeah the food didn't get burned either.
The food was all cooked which wasnice. And yeah, I've just have
not gone near the barbecue since I'vejust left it. Oh bit, No,

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you've been kind of gunshy about goingback and ever using it again.
I imagine that I certainly would.Yeah, I don't know why happened.
I blame myself for something, butyeah, just that must have dripped down
and something splash. Who knows,but yeah, he caught on fire.
But we're here to discuss the keys. As you were saying, an episode
that I found very entertaining. Ihad I wrote down as I was watching

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it. The flows just feels veryconsistent in this. It's very engaging.
It's a very signfeld his story,but it's got a great hook like who's
you know, giving his key tothat keen and going to get that key
in and he needs to get accessto Cramer's apartments that George just to let
him in, And it's just Ithought the whole the whole flow of the
episode just flowed so so organically andjust felt it was just really entertaining.
That was certainly, I mean,it was very hectic in terms of the

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interplay between all of them and whogets what and when, which I'm normally
not that much a fan of youknow, when things get overly complicated in
that regard. But I thought theepisode did a really good job with it.
I mean, I think I wasechoing George's thoughts when you know,
Jerry's talking about someone tells me aboutthis guy, which means you have that

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Oh yeah, how DoD know missthat? I mean that there were times
when it felt to me that itgot a bit overwhelming, and that might
have gotten the way of some ofthe comedy. But luckily the writing is
generally strong enough, and certainly thechemistry between the cast is definitely strong enough
to keep things flowing, as hesaid, very very well, you know,
and even when one part, onequarter of the quartet decides to split

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and go a different way entirely.Yeah, which look at this as just
imagine you're watching this in real time. You don't know what's to come.
This is a season finale. Doyou think it was a good finale to
leave you with the hook of isCramer ever going to come back? Because
this came at a time nineteen ninetytwo, there's a lot of the audience

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the Internet wasn't around, a lotof the audience wouldn't have been reading gossip
magazines and reading what's coming up inthe next season, things like that.
So there would have been a portionof the viewers that they're going, well,
was that it for Kramer? Ishe gone? Is he absolutely?
Yeah? I mean there are acouple of ways you could look out it.
You could say it's either okay,well, Michael Richards might be the
breakout star of Seinfeld, and youknow, this is him sort of gracefully

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making his exit, and it's anice little sort of farewell note him,
like, oh he's out in Lanow and he's got a job on on
on Murphy Brown, his acting dreamhas come true, all that kind of
stuff, and you know, oh, okay, well, if that's the
last we see a Cramer, wellwe had a nice run. But you
know, now we've got our threein New York, and who knows what's
going to happen next. You know, maybe New Middle get folded into the

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group or something like that, oryou know, oh, well this is
um Well they used called a backdoor, well they probably do still call it
a backdoor pilot for you know,a cram a second Cramer exclamation point where
it's like his wacky adventures in onthe other coast, you know, but
clearly didn't go that way. Buteither way, it's interesting, certainly,

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and you're right about the fact,Oh well, you'd have to really do
your homework to find out what's goingto happen in season four of Seinfeld.
You know, this could be very, very interesting. But now I thought
it was a good way to certainlyround out a season. Absolutely well,
this was to me the rounding outof the what idem is the first era

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of Seinfeld. Always thought the firstand three seasons was like its own sort
of era, and season four theshow went in a different direction in the
sense they started incorporating story arcs acrossthe whole season as opposed to just episode
by episode by episode. So inseason four, that's where we get the
Jerry and George getting their own pilot, so it's the show within the show.
That's where that began. So Ifeel like Seinfeld really hit it stride

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in season four. That's where itreally became the biggest show in the world.
In my opinion, season four isreally really sad to take off,
just from not just from a popularityperspective, but also from a writing perspective.
I thought it was at its bestfrom season four onwards, and that's
some good episodes after season the firstthree seasons. But I thought it did
a good job of rounding it out. But also it's placing the it's planting

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the sea that should say for what'sto come. Because Julia Louis Dreyfus has
to take some time off from theshow now because she's giving birth to her
son, Henry, so she's puttingit throughout this so she takes some tom
from the show. So you needa viable reason for Jerry and George to
not be in New York anymore,and it's to go and chase down Cramer.
Yeah, well it's a very goodit's a very good way of putting

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it in a very very clever wayof the show to work around that issue,
so to speaks. So yeah,I mean I'm very keen to revisit
season four. It's been a longtime since I've watched since I've watched those
episodes, So yeah, I mean, it's going to be fascinating seeing how
that plays out. And you knowthat I love that whole show within a
show aspect, sometimes that means thatit's you know, a program is disappearing

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of its own arts. It can'treally think of interesting things to do.
But to the best of my recollection, and it's going to be, like
I said, fun revisiting these episodesafter after such a long time. Yeah,
but to the best of my memoryis so ill did it in a
very entertaining way. What did youthink also of the crossover aspect with Murphy

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Brown, which is something Jerry andand Larry really pushed for, and they
in return they had to go ona show called Love and War, which
was created by the same person ofMurphy Brown, Diane English. I'm not
sure how that show went, butbut they appeared on that show after this
ad as a thank you for havingwho's the start of Murfy Brown. What's
his name again? Kandice Bergen CandasBurgin, That's right, yes, having
her appear on this show. Sothis was an era where crossovers weren't that

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big, right. We were soso saturated now with the Marvel Cinematic Universe
and things like every shows appearing onevery other show When in Nige nenty two
this would have felt like a bigdeal, especially since they were on rival
networks as well. Having Cramer appearon Murphy Brown I think she was a
CBS show. I think she was, and they were NBC. So having
two different characters appeared on because Imean they did it with Friends with Phoebe's

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character she and Ursela, but theywere both on the same network. These
are two opposing networks. That's abig deal, right, I mean they
still they were doing it for along time beforehand, but it just see
it just to me, it feelsmore special in nineteen ninety two than what
it does in twenty twenty two becauseyou see it all the time. Yeah,
I mean, look, it certainlywas happening in nineteen ninety two and
prior to that, of course,but usually, as you point out,

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they were usually on the same network, and it was very much a cross
promotion, cross branding kind of opportunitieslike you like him on such and such.
Don't forget that there's this show also. So yeah, there was really
a commercial within an episode. Butas opposed to this, which yeah,
as you said, two different,two rival networks, it really sort of

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added some degree of I guess realism. Yeah, it wasn't a marketing employee
if it felt like, Yeah,it was more like a story driven marketing
driven Yeah, Yeah, like adramatic or comedic development. Yeah, as
opposed to, you know, someonedoing someone else's favorite. It's like,
well, no, he's gone tola, He's going to appear on a
show. Yeah. The the cheapor the obvious move would have been having

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Gray Michelle up on another NBC sitcom, preferably something that was, you know,
bumped up against Seinfeld on the onthe schedule, but not to be
I'll move around. It's like,okay, so you're really expanding the parameters
of this of this universe to sortof take in the real world. Murphy
Brown was a show that I knowwas huge and big at the time,
but it just I missed it.I completely missed it. I was never

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really that into what I watched youbits and pieces of it. It feels
very much like an um like anold school almost well, an eighties sitcom
um well, which it was tosomething ago, I mean, I'm pretty
sure something like that. Yeah.Yeah. Seinfeld feels very much its own
thing and its own thing that createdother things or inspired other things, whereas

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Murphy Brown feels like your traditional workplacesitcom, the cast of characters that you
that you recognize kind of characters thatyou recognize. Yeah, it's it's a
comfortable it's it's comfort food viewing.I just remember as the kids seeing ads
for it just seemed like an oldpersons show ads for scifel. Do you
think it looks funny? But MurphyBrown is seemed old and it's weird.

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I can't really explain it, probably, but it just felt old. That
wouldn't interest me. Well, yeah, I mean, I say this would
all due respect to Kandasburg, andshe'd been around for a very long time
work as an actor. Prior toLandy to Lead and Murphy Brown, she
had been in movies I think sincethe late sixties. She was kind of
Hollywood royalty as well. I thinkher you know, her father was an

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old time entertainer who was very popularthroughout the twentieth century. Candicsburger was kind
of a Hollywood it girl for awhile, had roles in various things.
And I think this was not herfirst branch out into comedy, certainly a
first branch out at sitcoms. ButI think it's surprised a little bit.
Oh no, she's actually pretty goodat this. But yeah, you're right,
it was like his a familiar faceleading a well worn sitcom idea.

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So yeah, you're right, itwas kind of the thing that your mum
and dad would watch and you wereI feel, you know, a kid
or a young teenager or something.It's like, oh, it'd be nice
to sit up with the grownups andyou know, oh, is this what
adults think is funny? That kindof deal. Yeah, as opposed to
Seinfeldt, which is something you canimagine people who go out to see stand
up comedy, this is the kindof sitcom that they would watch. Yeah,

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because I mean, I mean,Seinfeldt is a situation comedy as well.
But yeah, it feels like avery a different kind of beast or
a different kind of flavor that.So what were your favorite moments from The
Keys, mister Davis. I wantto be careful how much I sort of
talk about here, because it leadsinto one of my trivia questions. I

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love the bit um Jerry's with hisdate and he's talking about you, haven't
you know? I think, oh, I've got to get the kids out
quickly because there's a you know,there's a murderer coming to get me.
And she sort of almost instantly gotinto it. She plays along. I
just that's my favorite as well.I'm like, how fun did that feel?

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You found? You found? Youfound the one ever? Chick just
goes along with that kind of thing, you know, places you in a
child like that's just that's what youwant. So I thought that was a
really neat little bit um some agreat scene when they all go to Crame's
apartment trying to get in, notrealizing the Cramers already split for the coast.

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Wayne Night shows up as newman,smiling up the joint as he does,
and it turns into a bit ofan old style you know, cop
TV show interrogation. Just yeah,and great line delivery from from Night there
where he's talking about it's kind toLala land La God an absolutely kick out

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of that. Just that was very, very funny. I think my favorite
bit though, was not even allthat funny, not even all that comedic,
but the exchange between Cramer and Georgeat the diner and you know,
talking about you a yearn you know, and Michael Richards is it's really good
acting actually because he's not not beingCramer, but at the same time he's

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showing a bit of unforeseen heart anddepth. The substance to the character.
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutelyunexpected levels of depth from Cramer and ye
know, and Jason Alexander plays intothat as well. But at the same
time, they're realizing they're in acomedy and they can hit you know,
the necessary comedic beats and highs andlows or whatever. But no, it's

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it's a scene with actual, actualsubstance to it that's faithful to the show
but also shows something different. Yeah. I was really really taken with that.
But find a fact about that momentthough, so he says, No,
I crave, I crave all thetime. Constant Craving. Katie Lange
song Constant Craving was released in thesame year of nineteen ninety two. I
must have been I was a littlecurious about that what came first, whether

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or maybe it was just one ofthose lovely synchronistic moments when Katie Lange was
coming up the song called Constant Craving, And who's the writer of this was
Larry David. Yeah, Larry Davidwas having much the same idea. I
really enjoyed when they were going throughum A Lane's apartment looking for Lane Scott
looking for the keys anyway, Yeah, he goes let's I pull down this

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statuette and a hidden wall opens up. We've looked everywhere. I don't know
if it'd want a hidden room behinda moving wall, it would be This
is the thing. How do youdisguise a hidden room? You know,
it's going to be a huge fuckinghouse to have a room that people don't
know it's there because like that,because the outside you're like your drew ends

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there, but this is big extraarea over there. Well what is that?
Yeah, you're not having hidden areasin my three being three bedroom California
Bungalow and hern Hill. It's nothappening. It's not that's not viable.
I think I think it's going tobe at least a two story house,
right, so you can hide itunderneath the first story. The hidden room
you reckon, that's a good wayput it. Yeah, how would you
go about sort of approaching your architector your builder and say, you know,

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what I really like is that itis a hidden room? You could
you spell that? Please? No? Next question? All right, it's
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this week's episode of The Blockbuster Brainbuster. Mister Davis, all right, so
this episode originally added May sixth ofnineteen ninety two. To take yourself back
to May of nineteen ninety two,What do you think might have been number
one at the box office? Takea stab at it and then I'll give
you some clues. Well, look, I was. I'll be up front.

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I was horny for most of theearly nineties, and I get the
feeling I was reaching peak horniness aroundnineteen ninety two because I was watching Sharon
Stone in Basic Instinct? Am Iright? You are right? Did you
look it up now? No,I was thinking about nineteen ninety two.
I think about what was hot,thinking about you know, what was hot
in the first part of the yeararound May pretty sure less when Basic Instinct

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was out? Yeah, very verybig. So it was an educated yet
yeah, well done. It wasbasically Instinct was number one at the US
box office. How you guess thenumber two was? It's a movie that
I know you love clue Clue beingthere's a reboot coming out that we've recently
discussed it. You're not looking forwardto It's I'm not looking forward to the

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shitty remake of White Men Count Jump, but I will watch the original White
Men Coun't Jump with Wesleyan Woody andnumber three was woof, there's the clue
air. But nineteen ninety two filmwith a dog as the front as the
title of the movie. Is theDog's Name? Okay? But is it
the first one or is it likeone of the sequel. No, it's

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the first, It's the It's original. Is a big old Beethoven Beethoven,
Yes, correct Beethoven, Yes,the Lord. A few of them love
that movie. As a kid,loved it, It's like it's the perfect
kids movie. I remember watching it. I resed to love the end sequence
the best, when they were beingthe bad guys being chased by other dogs
after they set them free, andI watched it I reckon about a year

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ago, and I was like,this doesn't have the harm that I remember
having, Like I just remember lovingthis movie so much, and I watched
it, I was like, I'mnot really feeling it anymore. It's weird.
Is David covering one of the badguys in Beethoven anything? No,
it's the who's the guy from Let'sPudgy Knows? And he's in Bicentennial?
Man, I should know his name, Oh, Oliver Platt a plate a

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blood? Of course? How doI don't know his name? Over Plod?
Yeah, he's the He's one ofthe Dufuses in the Dufus bad guys
in that movie. One of thelatest. The dog is Beethove. He's
not a Saint Bernard, is he? Here's a say Bernard? Yeah?
He yeah? All right. Somy first question is now I realize I
haven't actually put together any trivia questionsfor this week the Blockbuster Brain Blockbuster Brainbuster,

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but I'll think of one. Inthe opening stand up, what type
of knife does Jerry discuss? It'sthe Ginsu knife. The Ginsu knife,
which I have no idea what aGinsu knife is a sharp Asian knife that
they used to advertise on informercials.Is being able to cut through cans or
shoes. It's like, oh shit, if it's you know, making short

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work of that air Jordan, Imean, I imagine it'll cut my eye
fill it quite nicely. So itwas like the sham wow of knives.
That's the thing I mean, withJerry taking the piss out of it this
way. I was like, oh, Kinsue knife, that's the name you
can trust. But now it's like, oh, I don't know how many
you know? Do you think AnthonyBourdaine would have bought a Ginsue knife,
you know, sitting up late thatno going that's what I need for the

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kitchen, or you know, GordonRamsey or Jamie all the No, I
think was probably suckers like you andI were like, we need a sham
nave in the kitchen. I alwaysthought they were actually like a legit knife,
but maybe I was wrong. Inever bought one anyway. But speaking
of that, yes, Jerry refersto a certain kind of meat as being
very tough in that in that openinga stand up bit. What kind of

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cut was he talking about? Ruby, No, that's a very nice cut.
This was the hoof cut of course. Yes, yes, Now I
remember. My next question is whathave I got? What movie was Kramer
watching that he needed gone for?Oh? He was watching thirty seconds over
Tokyo m trying to think I've everseen I've heard thirty minutes over Tokyo.

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But that's a sign Simpsons episode.All right, what's your next one?
Well, I mentioned before we weretalking about Jerry's data. I don't think
we ever heard her name, butshe said she was from where. Oh
and there's actually a story here startswith K, doesn't it? Is it?
K? No? Oh? No, she isn't Dan from Wichita,

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Wicha. Yeah, so the jokebeing um that she's from Wichita, so
that she wouldn't normally know anything aboutmurders. But then later in two thousand
and five, the b K killeror something was a guy who realized the
BT. Yeah, yeah, sohe was from which he was from there?
But everyone was thought that. Sopeople watching it now think that the
joke is that she was referencing him. But no, ninety ninety two,

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no one had any idea he wasactually from there. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. All right, let'stry and find why. One more
question for you? One more question? All right, all right, here
you what is what is Kramer's secretaryname? On Murphy Brown? His name
is Stephen Snell Schnell but snell Snell. That's correct, Well done, You're
all about it. This week isthe Davi. It's got him all right,

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all right, I can give youone one more if you like hit
me. When Kramer is riding onthe back of the motorcycle, the rider
says he had an accident how longago? Five years? Five years?
Five years? I don't know howthat was my brain. I haven't watched
this episode like two or three daysor to stay there. Apparently that guy
is a notable actor of some kind. His last name is Kramer, Eric

(25:38):
Allen Kramer. Let's see what hehas appeared in. He actually played The
Mighty Thor. He did. Yeah, he's a sort of a relatively buffed
dude with long blonde hair. Youlook at him and then you look at
Chris Hemsworth and you're like, Ican see why they didn't get to Eric
Allan Kramer back to play Thor,but but for the time, and I

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was like, yeah, yeah,this guy looks like he could swing.
Aham. He's appeared in True Romanceand Robin Hood Men in Tits as well.
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fing Your discount link is in thedescription of this podcast. The original air
date of The Keys was May sixth, nineteen ninety two. It was written
by Larry I've written by Larry Charles, not Larry David. It was a
Larry Larry Charles episode. I alwaysmix them up, and yeah, I
mean you'd think it'd be difficult todo that, given that they seem like

(26:48):
fairly different kind of characters, LarryDavid, especially so in the public eye
now. But yeah, I'm likeLarry Charles, no mean Larry plus and
I did well first of all,both Thursdays, Larry. Second, you
know there's surnames, are both likeChristian names. It's going on here as
well, very close. Yeah,and who it was directed by Tom Cherrill

(27:10):
nez. That's right. So westart off with the kinseue knife stand up
as we are discussing earlier, andyeah, perhaps not buying the highest graded
meat if if you need this kinseeknife. So the episode begins with Jerry
waking up for a drink of water, and he's confused as to why his
door is open, what's going onthere? And he realized that the Cramer's
in there. Are you? Areyou thirsty at night? Do you?

(27:32):
Are you a glass of bed bythe glass? Glass of bed by the
water. That would be nice,a glass of water by the bed kind
of person I used to, butthen a couple of times because we've now
that BedHead where you sort of gotthe inner groove where you can store shit.
You know that, you know thosekind of bedheads where you've got like
a like an indentation in the inthe head so you can sort of rest
stuff. That's my inn and groovein the bed absolutely. And I was

(27:55):
putting my drinks on there, andlike he bumped the bed and a drink
fell on my head like midnight duringthe night, and I was like,
I don't want do this anymore,and I'm gonna side table. I'm gonna
side table. Need you get aside table for the bed? Nicholas got
one. I haven't got one onlast side, but but I definitely like
having a drigger watch. Sometimes Iget up it's like three to thirty and
I'm like, I need a drinklike my mouth is so dry. I've

(28:15):
taken to keeping the water bottle nextto the bed. That's a good idea.
Maybe I should incorporate that, bringthat idea into the bedroom. But
yeah, so Crammer wanted some popcorn. He's watching the flick and the leaves
but drops it. Yeah, that'sa bit of that's gratuitous. Michael Richards,
that physical comedy. I don't thinkthat was necessary. Yeah. Sometimes

(28:37):
sometimes you just sort of think itwas fine as it was. You didn't
need to add that little extra bit. Yeah, yeah, this pudding is
perfectly tasty. It didn't need thatextra egg. You have ragged that pudding.
Jerry then races home. Now hehas to go to the toilet,
and he walks in and Cramer's havinga bath. I would be furious if
my friend was doing this as well, because you know, if you're coming
home. There's another reason why Idon't like the idea. People do it

(29:00):
these days in the America. It'sa done thing. But the toilet in
the actual bathroom, it's just impracticalin my opinion, because no one wants
to take a ship in a roomthat people have to go in there and
clean themselves in like like like ifif if I'm going to have a shower,
I'm going to clean myself, I'mgonna be festering in someone's shit stink.
You know that makes a lot ofsense. Absolutely, How would you
feel clean if you're washing your dryingyourself after someone's taking a ship like ten

(29:23):
minutes prior to you having a shower. Well, hopefully they've flushed the toilet
and closed lid, but it's stillstick. You can still smell it though,
like it's it's still lingers a littlebit. And do you do you
not have like the little tin ofbathroom spray that you put on top of
the toilet, but that smells likethat's a scent of It's like someone's spraying
deodor on top of bo you know, like it's still still it's still there,

(29:45):
like the spray and the toilet hasthat distinct smell of shit mixed with
fragrance. Well, then it's goingto be terrible if you go into like
a little smaller toilet that's a confinedarea. But I'm not showering in there,
am I? No? No,you know you're not. Absolutely,
that's the point. I don't,I don't I think I'd be okay with

(30:07):
it. You know, I'm notme And plus, if someone's having a
shower, how do you what doyour ship on the fucking grass outside?
What do you? Yeah? Yougoing ship nature? What are you talking
about that? Everybody does that.I'm really happy the movie was sold out.
Hey, did you ever pretend there'slike murderers chasing you and you're trying
see how fast you can get yourkeys out and get in your apartment.

(30:29):
I'm from Wichitas. There is hurry, hurrying, hurry that was closed.
Did you see the look on thatguy's face? So fast with those keys.

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Unfortunately, Cram is already in therewith a woman who is a person
who I can't actress who appears laterin the show show. Her name is
c. K. Steeple, andshe makes another appearance later in the series,
playing the role of Sylvia in theepisode The cigarst or Indian. Do
you know what her name is inthis episode? Is it Coucci? Gucci?
Well, the subtitles on Netflix whereI watched this had Gucci, but

(31:18):
not Gucci as in House of Guccias in the Presidious fashion label. It
was Gucci as in gub Oh IE got here it was Arnold's bully on
Different Strokes, he was the Gooch. Well did you ever watch that?
Did you watch Different Strokes? No, but the gooch is the name for
the bit of skin between your ballsand your asscrack. Though, that is
true, the gooch or the team. I leaned that from Jack asked the

(31:41):
movie. Yeah, so yes,we I think that's just the case of
the Netflix algorithm where it just sortof gets the auto text and sort of
gets everyone's what they're saying. Ithink it just it's like it's spelt it
how it sounds, when really itshould be g u Cec. I believe
her parents wouldn't have named her afterthe skin between your balls and your ass

(32:02):
crack. Yeah. I thought youwere going to the movie. All right,
that's hand him over what you know? What the keys? I want
the kids. You've lost your keyprivilege to come on? Come on,
I thought you went to the moviewas sold out? How was I supposed
to know what was going to besold out? That's the point, what
point? Just look, just giveme the kids, Just give me another
chair. Don't ask me. I'masking. I'm telling you, I'm serious.

(32:22):
It's not gonna happen again. Yes, it will not give me those
keys. No, let go.Oh great, okay, fine, you
got ahead. Take the kids there. You're gonna regret this, all right.
Yeah. He then gives his keysto Elaine and says that Cramer has

(32:44):
been acting very different ever since heum ever since he took the keys off
him, including knocking on the door, which I've never seen him do to
date. Yet. It was verytimid, wasn't it. It's cream cream
Yeah. But he also like hewasn't angry. He was blaming himself,
and it's almost like the Gil Trippers, like, I know I did wrong,
and that's why I was saying ina recent episode, I can't watch
it, whether it was this showanother show we were doing, where if

(33:05):
you fuck up, just own upto it and admit to it. If
you try and make up excuses,it makes the person who was angry in
the first place even angrier because hereacted this way. Then Jerry is just
kind of like, oh now Ifeel bad. Take the keys back.
Yeah, you want to go backto the way things were, You want
to restore the status quires. Imean, there's annoying as Cramer can be
in terms of you know, crashingthrough the door or you know, taking

(33:29):
your bathtod when you want to youknow, lay a little cable. Then,
um, I don't know. Ithink, yeah, you prefer the
way things used to be. Sohe broke the covenant of the keys or
lancers given back, and Ray doesn'twant to take Jerry's keys back even know
he's offering them to him. Butthen he asked for his keys back.
It's just like, oh, Iwas like, is this is this petty
or is this just how it shouldbe? That's the sort of the theme

(33:51):
of the episode is like are theybeing petty or they sort of just just
living by the code of the keys. I think it's a restoration of balance
as opposed to you know, settlingscores. I think, you know,
you can't have one person with keysand one person without or or you know,
two sets of keys on one thing. It has to be. It
has to be even Stephen anything iswhy did Elane not have the keys of

(34:13):
Joe's apartment? Anyway, I knowit doesn't make the story doesn't work as
a result, but why does Jerryin all these all these characters only have
one set of spare keys? Well, why can't they just gave no,
Cramer, you have assess a spareSetlane, you have a spare set in
case, you know, crammers awayor whatever, like like a plan C.
Yeah, yeah, you needed theextra backup playing was one of that
person's out of commission in a furtherperson but to me cut to Monks and

(34:37):
he's giving his keys to George.And George and Kramer, they're two characters
that I always enjoy it when they'retogether, but they don't feel they don't
seem to match do though they don'tthey don't feel right. They're so did
No, it's not an organic pairing. And that's why, you know the
scenes are you know, usually playedfor a bit of discomfort or awkwardness because
they're both very they're both very talentedperformers. Yeah, and they're able to

(34:59):
sort of spin a bit of goldout of that, out of the fact
that, yeah, we're friends offriends, we shouldn't really be hanging out.
I don't know if there's been anepisode or there's going to be an
episode that sort of talks about that. I actually know what there was.
There was the episode where they realizethat they don't have Jerry in their life.

(35:19):
Then that it doesn't all stick.But then they realize that when Jerry's
not around, they can talk aboutabout Jerry. Remember that when Elaine and
I knew it, Yeah, Iknew it was a sideling gear. A
year YEARN Do I YEARN I year? You year? Oh? Yes,
yes I ye? Often I sitand ye're have you you well? Not

(35:49):
recently? I craved three of allthe time, constant craving. They haven't
yearned. Look at you a crame. It don't start. No, No,
you're wasting your life. I amluck. What you call wasting,
I call living. I'm living mylife. Okay, Like what no kill

(36:10):
me? Do you have a job? No? You got money? No?
Do you have a woman? No? You have any prospects? No?
You got anything on the horizon?Uh? No? Do you have

(36:31):
any action at all? No?Do you have any conceivable reason for even
getting up in the morning. Ilike to get the daily news, George,
it's time for us to grow upand be man. That little boys.
Why I'm going to California. Youknow I got the buck. Yeah,

(36:52):
I think I got a touch ofsomething through acting. But ever since
I was in that Woody Allen movie, these pretzels are making me Thursday,
you got fired, I know,I know the man. I never felt
so alive. Now you're coming withme, No, no, no,
suit yourself. But let's keep thisbetween us. We're keep brothers. Now.

(37:15):
I think I'm really going to goto California. Yeah, up here,
I'm already gone. I got theacting bug and George's to stain has
carried over. Still, these petelsare making me thirsty. He still has
that anger towards Cramer, the factthat he the lie I didn't Yeah,
you got fire, but that Kramer. George wants to be an actor,
but Kramer didn't. You sort offell into it. That's that's kramer'st thing.

(37:37):
He falls into all these things whereGeorge has nothing going on his life
and nothing ever seems to work outfor him. Yeah. Do you think
George wanted to be an actor?I think he just sort of wanted someone
to point at him and say you, I think I noticed something about you
that's interesting. Yeah, but I'llpluck you out of the crowd. I
think I think that's what George wouldlike. I don't think he'd necessarily want
to. I don't know if Yeah, based on what this scene as saying,

(38:00):
I don't know if he necessarily wedon't know what he wants. Maybe
George doesn't know what he wants either, But I mean, but I think
he wants to be recognized as you'vegot something, young man or man,
and I can see it. Youcan't see it, but I can see
it. I'm going to take yourpotential and I'm going to polish it and

(38:20):
shine it. Yeah, I thinkthat's why. I think that's what it
is with George. But you're rightabout the whole thing. I mean,
yeah, about why you Kramer,Why did someone notice you? Yeah,
the jealousy, I think it's rivenfrom jealousy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
George and Elaine have got here nowhave a very confusing discussion about who
gets whose keys. And this isat the moment we're just discussing before.
I'm like, I don't know what'sgoing on here, but I'm just gonna

(38:44):
yeah, I don't know what's happening. I'm sure it makes sense. Yeah,
Like you know, the just thegist is that everyone has to have
the certain stead of keys because thatperson's got their keys. That's basically it.
Yeah, the confusion is the point, I don't think. But also,
you know, just to maintain abit of equal librium within a group.
Someone's yeah, no, one canbe unfairly advantaged here. Everyone's got

(39:06):
to have at least one thing.And George picks up the Manila folder.
It's like, well, that's goingto be something because they wouldn't point that
out. I would haven't pick upsomething it was not going to play into
later in the episode. So hepicks it up. She's like, take
that, leads it alone. That'smine. It's kind of rude, like
just going through someone's house and pickingup their ship like that. I would
never think to do that. Ohgod. Yeah, Like if someone's got

(39:28):
like a fold on the table,picking up and opening it up, it
could be a fucking could be porn, it could be anything. Don't touch
their ship. Even if your friendsdon't go through the style, even if
you're a friend, you should neverI'm always even one. I could be
at my best friend's house and I'llstill ask if I can go into their
fridge. I know the answer isgoing to be yes, but I still
ask anyway. Oh of course,yeah. Even the friends don't have the

(39:49):
longest time me man, I'm justgonna grab a drink right, Yeah,
I'll be like yeah, oh yeah, good. You know it's okay,
but you're just you're just gonna makesure if you weren't raised in a barn,
you ask, yes, Jerry,he wants to Cramer's keys from George,
but he's not there. This iswhere we get the Newman moment you're
discussing earlier. Oh by the way, sorry, just just to rewind just

(40:13):
a little bit. Uh, JuliaLouis drivers about just all this, all
this confusing. She just sort ofmuttered, I've got to get some new
friends. Yes, yeah, isvery funny. Yeah she all she does
really hits more at least girlfriends.Anyway, Cramer, hello boys, oh
man, are you looking for someone? Don't play coy with me now when

(40:37):
I'm not in the mood. COI, I'm not being coy? Is she
being Ki? Yeah? COI you'rebeing Ki? Who listen tiny? I
want to know where Kramer is andI want to know now I got and
hit me sign felt like I witnessessent around George George. I'm even Cramers.
We're gonna have to do this thehard way. Where's Gramer got to

(41:00):
pick me up? We're trying tofind out what happened to Kreamer. You
want to know what happened to Kreamer, I'll tell you what happened to Kreamer.
He was ticked off about the keys. Yeah, that's right, about
the keys. So he got abad rap, bad rap, Yeah from
you me, you heard me.So he packed the gripping. He split
for the coast La La land Laythis moment, like what Wayne Knight's dialogue

(41:25):
isn't punchlines. It's not really like, it's not witty or it's not necessarily
funny jokes. It's just the wayhe delivers the lines that the newly character
is based off delivery it more thanactual having actual jokes in the dialogue.
I think they recognize what a secretweapon or even just a weapon they have
in Wayne Knight, who the expressionsthat he pulls and the inflection that he

(41:49):
puts on a certain dialogue. Yeah, he's able to just spin it.
It's like, well, you're justfun to watch, aren't you? Or
you're so surmamie that it's entertaining.So yeah, yeah, I mean they
got lucky when they got Wayne Nightin. It's always nice too, when,
like Judge, one of those guyswhere he's not a big dude,
but he knows he can beat upnum as he picks on him, and

(42:10):
even George joins in, like I'vegot witnesses. George churned around and then
grabs the lane. They're gonna beup, They're gonna be be up.
But yeah, so he explains thathe's gone to La La La land and
Cramer's on his way listening to music. What was he listening to? Some
sort of heavy metal? It soundedlike, I don't know, I don't
know if this was an actual shoutout or visual reference or whatever. If

(42:32):
it is, it's really obscure.Yeah, there's a bit in Signs of
the Lambs when you see Buffalo Bill'sfirst victim and the girl who winds up
in the in the pit and she's, you know, driving the car and
they got the camera right and theright on her and she's singing along to
American Girl by Tom Petty. Andfor some reason I thought, this looks

(42:53):
like it's shot exactly like that,and it's the music is not exactly the
same, but it's sort of similar. Yeah, And that was only a
year prior, and it was abig, big movie. I'm like are
they sort of paying tribute here oris it just a big stretch on Guy's
part. It's a big stretch onGuy's part. I think it could be
because they paid tribute to um tothe Manson Gang later in the episode.

(43:17):
That's true. We'll get to thatwhen we get to that, absolutely,
because I wouldn't mind having a quickchat about that. But yeah, I
mean, I wasn't sure what hewas listening to. I don't think there
was any like a particularly memorable song, just you know, always odd just
oh, it was pretty odd scene. Michael Richard is sort of gnawing on
stuff and when he oh, it'sa bit gross. I don't want to
be looking at this for too long, And we basically get a throughout the

(43:40):
episode, Cramer story essentially becomes Peewee'sbig adventure looking up with all manner of
new new mates. Yes, I'vecome up from commercial, and Jerry's blaming
himself the fact that that he's left. I can't believe I shouldn't have taken
the keys off him and a Lane, So throughout the episode we get them
dropping in swear words, so shesays complete bullshit. She actually says the

(44:01):
full bullshit. Oh, she's sortof like bullshit, sort of mumbles it
out, but you know what she'ssaying, the trails offered around h I
think, yeah, yeah, Inever should have taken his keys away.
He drove me to it. Ihad no choice. He wouldn't take him
back, Elaine, you saw it, Remember I said, take the keys

(44:22):
back. He wouldn't do anything.You saw it, didn't you see it?
Yeah? Yeah, I thought,I mean complete. No, what'd
you say? Nothing? I didn'tsay, Oh you didn't see it?
Yeah? I saw it. Isaw it. I saw I saw it.

(44:44):
Yea. I heard you say somethingthere. I didn't say anything.
I'm calling Kramer's mother. I don'tknow what you said something. I heard
something. You know. And we'veall had that moment where you know,
like, for example, Nicola mumblesomething. It's usually me saying something.

(45:05):
Nicolas say what'd you say? AndI'll go what? And that's my that's
my way of giving myself an extrathree to five seconds of thinking of something
that rhymes of what I just saidthat sounds believable enough that she might buy
it. And yeah, I've donethat once or two. I mean,
and usually not even swearing. It'sonly just like a really dumb gag that
I'll say to myself, okay,and and if I get called out and
I'm like, yeah, nothing becauseyou don't want to really repeat it because

(45:29):
it's like why did I even saythat? Yeah, But usually it's me
being smart about Nikola, like Nikola, yeah she's done something, and I
know that I'm right, and I'mlike, yeah, gona be what you
saying. But they call Kramer's mom'slistening to opera. I do have the
notes somewhere in my notes here.What she was listening to. Music Kramer's

(45:51):
mother was listening to in the backgroundis Vestia Giba Giba put on the clown
suit from Paliachi. This blew mymind. Not long ago, there's a
there's an old joke about you know, Oh, it's from Watchman. Do
you know you know the the comicbook in the movie, in the TV
series Watchman, everyone wanted to goto It's fucking raw shacked everything after Yeah,

(46:15):
well this is this involves raw Shark. And he's sort of saying,
oh, there's this old joke.A man goes to a psychestrian says,
oh, I'm so depressed. Lifehas no meaning. The psychiatrist says,
well, the great clown Paliachi isin town. Go see him. He'll
cheer you right up. And thepatient burst into tears and says, but
doctor, I am Paliachi. Idon't know any any sort of edge lord

(46:38):
now sort of does these days.But I'm always a psycher for a good
Paliachi joke. Except Paliachi is actuallyplural for clown. It's clown's er.
Yeah, anyway, that's a that'sa fun but useless fact that you can
then drop into any dinner table conversation. Tell him Guy sent you. They're
like, why are you listening tothat podcast? Just listen to tune out

(47:00):
when guys on. So she's drunkout of her mind calling Kramer. She
drunk of her mind, so toget no help there, Kramer tries to
hitchhike there. Jerry then gets home. He writes home without the keys.
He needs his keys. He's likea fuck, now I don't have my
keys. Now I need Kramer tobe over the hole with my keys.
So he calls the lane, getsno answer. I got yeah, this
is so nice. He's having nomobile phone, having to find a phone

(47:22):
booth. Yeah, yeah, Ihad to break a date with this girl
one night back and probably around thistime, around nineteen ninety two. Yeah,
uh, And I had to finda phone. I was a bit
late anyway, got her answering machineand she didn't get the message till the
next day. Nothing more came ofthat, but at least you had the

(47:45):
backup, like the proof that youcalled before the date happened. That is
true, That is true. Yeah. Yeah, It's just weird, like
we're in an ear now where we'relucky takes that we can cancel things and
get away with it, where cancelingthings will would have been a lot harder
back before. Resolutely Yeah yeah,like Kramers now in the back of the
bike and you get the whole.Just to me, I thought it was

(48:08):
just Larry Day. It just seemslike a Larry David bit where you can't
see the guy's face. It justas she was just Larry David, just
sort of like running on for aspill, you know. I couldn't fill
my face and I lost lost thenine and I had to put it back
in the soccer and just felt itfelt like a Larry David bit. I
thought it did, And it wasso weird that this is a guy who's
no not a star or even thatwell known. But you know, if

(48:30):
if they'd shown his face, thenI imagine at least fifty percent of the
orders and will go, oh thatguy. That's probably why they didn't.
Maybe maybe because because they don't theydidn't want They wanted to be some sort
of random bike he They don't wantedto be an act of the people knew.
Maybe I don't know, then whyhire that actor? That's a good
point as well. Yeah it's odd. I don't know. Maybe your friends

(48:50):
with Jerry and you wanted to beon the show. He knows. Yeah,
Cramer spooked out by this as youwill be on the back of a
bike with no helmet on in thisstory. Feels bad now, But letting
a Lane, letting him to aLance apartment and they have a fight,
you want to fight, it justescalates. I gottakay you. I've been
thinking about it. I just don'tfeel right about letting you into a LANs

(49:12):
apartment. Don't feel right? Whatare you talking about? You know I
shouldn't have let you the Cramers.Now you want to go into a Lance
She entrusted me with the spare keys. I can't just let you in.
What is the big deal? Justbecause you have someone spare keys doesn't entitle
you to break into their apartment.That's the reason you took away Cramer's keys.
First of all, you aren't evensupposed to have a Lane's keys.
You're supposed to give them back toher so she can give them back to

(49:32):
me because she has mine, sotechnically those are my keys. Yes,
Well, if you would never takenyour keys back fro Kramer, he never
would have taken his back from youand given them to me, and which
cause I would have had to takemine back alone. Well, I want
those keys, George, give themto me. I want to He's a
kidd, Stop it, George,given to me. No, I'm not
giving. They don't want to getphysical. You want to fight? Do
you want to fight? I'll fightyou face. I've never had a fight

(49:55):
fight with any of my friends everin my life. I'm assuming if we
did get over it straight away,but I've never come to fists with a
friend, even when alcohol was involved. I remember again, probably around this
time, around the nineties, youknow, in my in my early twenties,
and you know, going out anddrinking a bit I was at a
party one night and probably my bestfriend, or at least certainly one of

(50:19):
my best friends, was really drunkand I think thought that I was making
eyes at his girlfriend and just youknow, absolutely went me. And I'm
like, dude, what the fuck? But you're worst of all, you
know, first of all was me, you know. Secondly it's like,
you know, I wouldn't put amove on your girlfriend. The land,
What is going on? What ishappening the priorities of like late teens.

(50:42):
Yeah, I mean, nothing came, but it didn't take a swing.
But he did sort of grab youknow, grabbed lapels, and I'm like,
oh, you really want to godon't you. No, we're not
doing this her seriously, No fancier, but Cram is now in the back
of the van. The evil ogretook back the magical keys from the handsome

(51:04):
young Prince. Oh no, hedidn't take back the keys, no way.
Yes, and then the handsome youngPrince was cast out into the cruel,
cruel world. Oh man, whata bummer. That ogre dude is
pretty cold. Huh. It's calledgot to taste something, Cramer. If
that ogre dude pulled that crap onme. I'd damn, my god,

(51:29):
my god, that's what I do. Yeah, yeah, that'd be funny.
Hey, now you can drop mehere. Hey, what's the rushman?
Well, you know I gotta begoing claimer. Have you ever killed
a man? What do you think, Junior? Do you think these hands
they've been soaking an ivory liquid eyes? Well, don't leave, Cramers,
stay with us. Oh you knowso much about the world. He needs

(51:52):
you, please, Clamer, really, Clamer now starting we're actually about to
do. In an upcoming episode ofGoing Down to South Park, it's about
Charlie Manson breaking out of prison anda Christmas special basically Charlie Manson. And
even they pointed at the end ofthe episode, they're like, this is
pretty funked up that were sort ofcelebrating this guy. They're not celebrating him

(52:15):
here in this episode, but evenlike giving his story any form of attention
just seems wrong to me in acomedy as all things. I know,
yeah, I wasn't. I wasn'tbothered by it, but you think about
it, it's like, there's peopleout there that were murdered by these people
should be Really, I didn't reallyview it as a Manson family kind of

(52:35):
thing. I just thought it wasa Van Filippies. It was meant to
be. Apparently they even looked likewho they were. Okay then, oh
I guess. I mean I justknew it was some real wild overacting by
that main hippie. Oh yeah,but you get that in sign felt sometimes
we pointed it out, like,I know, you really liked this,
and remember the scene where the itwas the cashmier coat and she's like when
I was a little girl, Ijust wanted cash, and I was like,

(52:59):
it just felt so over the top. But that's kind of what this
is here. Oh absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, you're right. I mean,
look, it's memorable whether or notit actually works. I'm not undersensual,
Yeah, I just yeah. Itsort of came away from that bit
going not so much about okay,well that was the substance of that scene,
was like, okay, well thatguy just realized they had a few
moments on screen and just went forit. Yeah that added nothing. Really,

(53:22):
those both of the moments with themotor bucket, they didn't really add
much. They seriously let them out. It wouldn't have mattered to me.
It was not killer mostly fellow.Yeah, I mean, I think you've
got to have those little bits tosort of break up. Yeah, he's
on this epic journey across the country. Yeah, none of them really,
I mean, none of them reallyadded up. They will. I didn't

(53:43):
mind them, but no, Ithink the real meat of the episode is
Yeah, there's sort of the keystuff. Yeah, you're right. So
they arrive Adelaide and Jerry explains theexplains the story, maybe because it's the
crock of ship. So George doingthe art, the mumble of the swear
words. I heard something. NowCramer is in a truck. Watched this
and I was like, is thisgoing to be what's the chick from Peewees?

(54:06):
What's her name? Large Marge?This is gonna be a large Marge.
And it turns out it wasn't,which is a shame. But yeah,
basically she lets him drive. Iwas just like, flexible, damn
good goaling. Yeah, but it'svery irresponsible truck. Eh, yes,
yeah. Just I cannot double clutch. I can't even single clutch. No,

(54:27):
I just can't clutch clutch. Myclutch moments, I'm no good,
no good at clutch moments. New, I'm not good in the clutch.
Um so now I found the truckdriver kind of sexy. Am I am?
I weird fanta sexy as Cramer sayssomething about a woman behind the wheel
of a semi trailer or whatever,but um without at a lanes and they

(54:51):
find her. Murphy Brown spec script. I watched this and I thought,
I feel like this is something thatguy's really gonna relate to, because I
feel like you would be person thatwould have written a spec script at least
once in your life, or hadthe idea for some spec scripts in your
mind, like we do it.We do it occasion with the Simpsons podcast.
You know, some Simpsons ideas forepisodes. But I feel like you
would have sat down at least onceand written some form of a script for

(55:12):
something that you that you enjoy.Not so much speccript for a show,
but look more like a remake ofa movie that I really liked and thought
or that didn't quite work, likehere's hell, I would do it.
Give us an example, which movieactually The Running Man? You know the
Anamal Schwartz anyone, Yeah, whichis based on um on a novel by

(55:34):
Stephen King, but he wrote itunder a pen name, and yeah,
I read it ages ago when Iwas a teacher, I, Oh,
my god, this is so great. There's a really fantastic book. And
then a couple of years later,oh, they make it, and I
watched a this isn't like your RunningMen book today bear a different worst adaptation

(55:54):
ever, this is I just don'tthink it's a very good movie. And
the fact that it's sort of messedwith a book that I really liked.
Time to get back to the tapereader and your marriage really didn't. He
typed it out and you mailed itto his fan club. So Stephen King,
mister King, mister King, I'vealready sent this to Stephen King.

(56:17):
Now I'm sending the mister Schwarzenegger lea, you guys can collaborate in a more
constructive fash. Apparently now I'm goingto do a new remake of The Running
Man Edgar Wright they did. Whywouldn't they be rebooting a movie they've already
made. Why wouldn't they be Whywouldn't you do that? Don't come up
with anything new, just come upwith something that seems new. But Disney

(56:38):
Disney just like, let's not makenew stories. Let's just turn cartoons into
real life. That don't make money, and it did. It's incredibly sad.
I haven't. I only saw abit of the trail of the Little
Mermaid. It's not really my bagwhether it's in cartoon form or real life
one. But I mean they hadI was seeing, you know, screen
caps of one next to the others, like the animated one, bright,

(57:00):
beautiful, colorful, this one drabbers. Fuck. Yeah, well that's just
fun. That's just movies. Now. Everything he's drabbers. Like even like
superhero movies, they're drab and dark. I guess what, I guess maybe
Marvel movies they're more bright. Buteven like the latest ones, it's like,
oh, you're going down to DCRoute a bit, now, Marvel,
what are you doing? Yeah,I mean, even if you do
have a lot of sort of multicolored neon and stuff, yeah, it

(57:22):
still feels a bit dim. It'slike you've got colors, but the dim
version of colors. It's odd.Yeah, weird. What is weird though,
is that you know, I wasraised on the golden ear of Disney
animate I reckon like Disney late eighties, early nineties is sort of like one
of the golden ears of Disney animation, right, that's what one percent was,
Yeah, a little Mermaid through towhat have been what had been the

(57:44):
end of maybe Lyon King? Wasit the last one? Like yeah,
oh maybe Hercules. Some people likeHercules. You see Hercules? That was
maybe I was? Was I too? While they came out and what ninety
eight wasn't it ninety eight Hercules?I think so? But they had sort
of like a string of like Iknow a lot of people like Perkohondas,
I sort of missed a pokerhuntas thing. But like you had Hercules, you
had um not hunch Lion King setsuch a high bar that everything after that,

(58:08):
which isn't bad. I mean,I think you've got like Hunchback,
Pokahonas, Hercules, and Tarzan Milanas well. Oh and Milan. I
think Milan is probably the most wellregarded out of that bunch. But Lion
King was such such a big deal. Yeah, that after that was going
like it's good, let's not LionKing. By the way, if you

(58:28):
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He actually sang the last half ofbe Prepared in The Lion King. He

(58:49):
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if you want to support us hereat the four Finger Discount Network. But
getting back to the episode, sothey find them, they find the spec
script and this is where Elaine walksin. If you watch here, it

(59:12):
looks like Jerry's almost breaking character inreal life because it's just one of those
classic sitcom moments where you're doing somethingnaughty and the person you're doing something naughty
about comes into the episode. Itcomes in the into the scene and that
are standing behind, Like I lovethose moments where they're still going on and
on thinking that they're not getting caughtand the person's just sort of standing there.
That's just get those moments very oftenand sign felt where it just felt

(59:34):
very classic sitcom. You're right,it was good. It was good.
They've got such great chemistry, allthese people. Yet and they're all such
you know, individually telling people thatare naturally are going to have moments where
someone's taken by surprise and breaks.Yea, even if only not even breaks,
just cracks. Yeah, yeah,it's just cracks, smirking. Yeah,
it's always good to leave those momentsin. But even she's angry what

(59:55):
you thought it was funny? Butthey all agree that's trying to give all
the keys back to Pad. Enough, they're so angry at each other and
they realize, wait, who's thiskey? Like, it's just it's just
gotten so out of hand and Idon't know whose keys what anymore. I
mean, it's a nice payoff becausethis thing has all been so convoluted.
It's like, oh, well,they're just confused his way as we are.
Yeah. Yeah, we're now cutinto Cramer in California on roller skates,

(01:00:20):
listening to which song is the Davis? He's listening to California Girls and
naturally a nice visual touch here aswell, And it's not even a gag.
It's I don't know. It mighteven just be natural. He's got
a big scab on his knee.I don't know if he's so I've got
that as well. I'm feeling likehe's done a couple of takes and he's
fallen over scun his knee, andthey've gone back and done it again.
Yeah. Yeah, but I meanit ties in because Crane is such,

(01:00:45):
you know, he's so loosey gooseyand his physical stuff. He's unsteady on
his feet even when he hasn't gotwheels on him. Yeah, So if
he's got wheels on him, yeah, he's probably gonna take a dumble or
two. You wouldn't be surprised ifMichael Richards deliberately fell over and scraped his
knee for the sake of just havingthat detail in there, even though you
wouldn't even really, even though theydon't acknowledge it, just to have that

(01:01:07):
detail there, just like you said, fits the Cramer character. It does.
Joey and Elena out in Joe's apartmentwatching Murphy Brown and talking about how
those writers make a lot of money. Let me tell you a bit about
show business, honey, and she's, oh god, what an ass?
What do you say? And thenwe see Kramer on Murphy Brown as Steven

(01:01:28):
Snow, the joke here being thathe wasn't fired as her secretary. Correct.
So I've read that the running gagwas always that she had a new
secretary every episode they got fired orsomething. That's what I'm thinking. It
was a running gag that, yes, she always had a new temp.
Elene Eline, it's Cramer. Creamer'sa Murphy Brown. Cramer's Murphy Brown.

(01:01:53):
Hi, I'm Murphy Brown. Youmust be my new secretary. Good morning,
now, miss Brown. I'm StephenSnell Snell. Well, hello,
mister Snell stupid. Are you familiarwith this computer system? Oh? I'm
familiar Stephen Snell. I know people, and I have a very good feeling

(01:02:16):
about you. And we end withthe end of the stand up about the
keys to start up a plane,which I thought was quite funny, like
shit, the keys, you canbelieve it, you know? And absolutely
Again that is the end of seasonthree and what I deemed the first mini

(01:02:38):
era of siinfowld. I feel likegoing forward now we're hitting peak sciinfowder.
Season four is where the show reallytakes off in a real creative sense.
So I'm very excited to sink myteeth into season four of Sciinfold. Yes,
what do you think of season threeoverall? Guy, Like, did
you enjoy? I think there waslike there was more good then there's a
couple episodes where it kind of wentbut overall, I thought this was a

(01:02:59):
very still early sign felt but they'restill they've really fleshed out these characters now.
He can tell that by this pointthey know the show's going to be
a big success. Yeah, Ithink we generally regard this show as so
consistently good or having such a consistentlevel of quality that you know, the
occasional hiccup is maybe a little morenoticeable. Yeah, you know, but

(01:03:21):
nah, look, I mean it'sit's it's a show that certainly knew what
it was about and how it wasabout it, you know, from an
early stage, but got more certainlygot more confident as it went along to
the point where it was able,as he pointed out, when we get
into season four that it's trying newthings and maybe branching out a little bit
or you know, stretching different muscles. But yeah, season three one was

(01:03:43):
very yeah, just just confident andjust that's It's something that you that I
certainly appreciate from any you know,work of art or entertainment. Just the
feeling that you're in good hands andthe people behind the wheel know what they're
doing, and they're even confident enoughto make what they know what they view

(01:04:04):
as an error. But try somethinga little bit different. Yeah, you
know, it's so easy, particularlyfor sitcom, to just go, you
like this, do well, here'sanother server vanilla ice cream. Occasionally these
guys will throw a little bit ofrocky road. With this show being such
a big success by the end ofseason three, right, everyone's talking about
Scienfeld. It's a big deal.It took some guts from Larry and Jerry's

(01:04:25):
point of view to start adding thearc of the show within the show,
to completely somewhat change the format likeit was still it was still the same
format, but to add a storythat was like an ongoing saga that's changing
the show quite a lot. Andto do that on the show that's already
a formula's already a success. Takesguns. But that's what they wanted to
do and it paid off for him. Well, you know, things don't

(01:04:46):
move forward unless, you you know, make a few changes. There's only
so long that you can just,you know, keep swallowing the same stuff.
There's only so many times again,have ice cream for didn't? Yes?
All right, guys, hope youenjoyed our review the Keys, and
hope you enjoyed talking Soil up untilthis point. We'll be seeking our teeth
into season four in the coming weeks. Look out for that. But this
has been a review of The Keys. We're looking forward to getting into The

(01:05:09):
Trip part one and part two avery entertaining episode of Seinfeld. But for
now, mister Davis, any finalwords for those incredible listeners out there.
I heard something. I'm not sureI had, but I heard something