Survivor AU Season 12 Season Finale!

The end is here. Who won the title of Sole Survivor and was it deserved? The Tally the Votes trio have thoughts and feelings on this remarkable episode.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Good lights, good day, good day, and welcome to our
finale covering It's a good day. It's a good day.
It was a good week. It was a great episode.
It was a grand finale. Welcome here, tally the votes.
It's the season finale of Australia Survivor Brain versus Bron
two and we have officially crowned another winner. Here to

(00:50):
revel in the post win glory are my two Survivor
bestie is David and Christie. Hello you two.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, so many thoughts, so many feelings. So it's just
so charged up. I mean, you know, it seems like
every year of AU starts like there's so many people
and it kind of drags the first like six episodes
and I'm like, I don't think I'm gonna like this year,
and by the end I'm so into it and this
year yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
And it's like you need all those people at the
beginning that you don't even remember at this point in
the game, like you couldn't name any of you, you have
no idea, I.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Mean off before you actually started remembering people, but you
needed them.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
They're like the jagged parts that like that like knock
off and make the actual gems like start to move
forward so you can see them.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Do you know what you're saying is that they're like
the sand pebbles put in the rock polisher exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
They have to. They are polishing them so that they, oh,
they come to the surface and you go like, oh,
these are the players we're gonna like.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think of them more. I think of them more
as pawns in the chess game. Yes, small and gone
and bye bye and no one really cares.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Occasionally one of those bottom feeders quotes all over the
other side.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It's been known to happen, and I gotta say, I like,
absolutely love that when this happens, Like the rise of
the Nerd storyline is just one of my absolute favorite
things in the world. In reality television, I think it's
safe to say a handful of our favorite wins have

(02:29):
been the underdogs, the nerds, the ones that get counted
out right at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm pretty sure you and I have the same favorite winner, right, absolutely,
ultimate nerd.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yes, and that would be that would be Ian, Right,
are we sharing this?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Absolutely? We are that one?

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Fine? Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Ian Terry on a Big Brother also Cochrane on Us
Survivors one of my all time favorite wins and now Miles.
Miles is also right there on the top for me.
He I didn't love him right at the beginning. I
wasn't quite sure, and him, by like the third episode,
I was like, okay, okay, this is okay, I get it.

(03:11):
I like this kid. So but it was a rollercoaster
of a finale episode. The final two episodes really were fantastic.
So we're gonna just zip through the first before the
finale just said that we're all on the same page,
a little bit less play by play, but we really
start out with Zara saying that she has an opportunity

(03:32):
to finally say her piece after tribal, and it doesn't
work out for her in the long run. But I
thought that what she did coming back from that tribal
was really good in the sense that she kind of
laid her hand out and was like, I did this,
Keelan so that you could see this, and Miles, I
did this so that you would see this. In aj

(03:52):
this she directed her move with some sort of reasoning.
Like I said, it wasn't gonna work at the point
she was at, but it was still smart. It was
it was still smart way to handle it. Her and
Aj decide that they're going to go for Miles. Zara
believes that her and Miles will go for Aj, and
Aj and Zara think that it would be it should

(04:16):
be Miles unless he unless he wins the idol, and
there's wins the community wins the immunity. Yes, the mean
that's when things get really complicated, because as every fantastic
end to Survivor goes, it's like, there's the one person
that we're going to get rid of, and they have
this one chance to get the immunity, and they do,

(04:40):
and they.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Do this maybe like production is paying attention and gives
them an advantage or a slight.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Edge or I don't know, or a cool breeze on
their face or you know.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
And I think that that could be part of it.
But also there's possibility that when they do win that immunity,
they may they may have a couple options for an
edited storyline, and then they choose that storyline based off
who wins the community.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
And then it gets kind of retro ret plan in
the episode. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I like that, Yeah, because it gives us a really
good like.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
And when you are editing television, not.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
When you can not when you have a rewind.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Sure, so we know this happens, so if we edit
it this way.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, exactly. It's like this was the question.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
About with a j and uh Zara talking about throwing
out Caitlin, and there's probably conversations with Zara and Miles
talking about throwing out cal and yeah probably, so you're right,
an awful lot of time, and even on Survivory, you
when it's on three times a week for approximately yeah,

(05:55):
it's still you know, it's it's four days six days
of life is stilled down to just over three hours.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yep, I think before I forget, because I keep thinking
this every week. That just editing in general on the show,
and the.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Music choices that yep.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean, it's been so great these last two episodes,
especially the last episode.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
The music and editing.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Just well done, guys, yes, so well done.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
So good.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And this final challenge though at first glance, I'm like,
oh my god, they're really going to do a relay
for this challenge like bah Boring, except it was actually
pretty damn fun to watch. Miles really gave it everything
he had, so they had the it is like in

(06:47):
three parts, so they had the rope, and we've seen this,
We've seen variations of this so many times. Big Brother
uses it a lot too, where it's like, do you
have enough rope to reach the goal of the key,
and then they have to get the tiles to climb
up the side of the plank, and then they had
to balance those four balls into that platform.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
That platform was.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Ev it was.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
It made me angry looking at it. I couldn't at first.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Okay, so as I was first watching it, I guess
I didn't understand that.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Those holes were actual holes. And then the one that
was along the handle part, yes, how do you get
around that?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I don't know it was yes, because at first I thought, oh,
that's where the ball is going to have to go
in and stay. But then it's like, oh my god,
that's an actual hole to the ground.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
But the funny part is when the balls were dropping,
they were almost always dropping off the sides. They're only
a couple of people.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, yeah, because they were trying so hard to stay
away from the holes.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It was so stressful to watch. I didn't love it.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I could kild it.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I did love watching Zara just try to make contact
one time with her her sandbag spinning thing.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
But before we moved to the sandbank, do you think
that when Kayln went for it with the rope and
came up short, that that's where he lost the challenge?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
And it's gotta I mean it could have been. It
could have been if he would have.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Just if he would have unthreaded, If he wouldn't have
done that, he would have probably stayed with Miles.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
He would have given him a little bit more time.
But he wasn't tremendously behind Miles. He just I just
don't think that.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
He but he would have been ahead if he would have.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I think it's a combination of he didn't well because
Miles ran out and had it right off the bat,
Kylen still followed him in that point and then had
it wrong right. But that part that's a hard competition,
Like that balancing thing. I think it's one of those
things where you have a knack for it or you don't.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
The beginning of this tower and untangling the string was
like did you see like it? So they're all evenly sized.
Age is pretty pretty tall. He can kind of get
over the bar fast. Dara, she could barely get over
the ding dang bar.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
She's so tiny.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
I know she had a hard time getting up the bar,
a J had a hard time getting underneath his r.
It's like Miles was just like the right fit, like
the Three Little Bears for right fit just right.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
And we didn't we didn't say Jamie's Jamie's falling down
on the job. The episode title was fired Up, all right,
fired Up and decurred on date forty four and forty five.
For U US Survivor fans, Yes there is a forty
four and forty five in this game.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Mm hm, yes there is a long time now mail
forward is at this point the US Survivor Survivor contested
have been home Girls three weeks.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
And this is why Australia Survivor has more people that
drive Lamborghinis every season as the people playing the game.
Because you kind of have to be top boss sent
your job to take that much time off work now.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Or living in a van down by the river or living.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
A van down by the river, I mean whatever, you're
gonna be up here, you're gonna be way down here
either way, you need the time to stay out there
because that's what probably another two weeks on top of
what they're already there for their sequesters sosh, that's a
long time away from home.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
My favorite part of the entire challenge was at the
very end when Miles won and Zara was like, oh shit,
that's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, knew she sort of knew it was over.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think with the competition she or the conversation sorry
that she had with AJ, and AJ kept going like, well,
I don't even want to think about it. I don't
even think about Miles winning. I don't even want to
think about it. She was like, I'm screwed. That's AJ four.
I don't want to talk about it because I will
change my plan. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Zara knew it, she knew she was screwed the second one,
but I was excited. Were you excited? Were you like, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I well, okay, because I really at that point thought
that Miles really wanted to take Zara. So I was
kind of, you know, like happy that he wasn't going
to go home for them. But I was like, dude,
you you lost your person. You're not gonna take her.
I mean, in the end, you know, foreshadowing, but when
you're looking ahead and you're planning, I think Miles did
want to sit next to her at the end.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
YEA, But clearly he didn't because voting for her.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
I think it's an idea. He certainly plodded around in
his head.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean, he was bitter because she didn't go along
with him on the five.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I'm not entirely sure. I mean, until we see exit interviews,
I'm not entirely sure what his train of thought was
on not taking her versus either one of the guys.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
When you voted, His voting confessional was, Zara, I gave
you an offer at the last tribal.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
And you should take it. Yeah, So I think.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
I mean that.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I mean, maybe that's just because you got to say something,
but I feel.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Like that's just like putting a sticker on something, like
they're here this this move could be your million dollar
or half million dollar move, because you're looking, you're setting
up who's going with you in the the final step,
you know, So there has to be more to it,
just than I gave you this offer and you said no,

(12:32):
if she's the best option, you're gonna take her. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
I just didn't think that anyone was afraid of Zara.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Do you figure that Miles didn't much care who he
ended up with at the.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Final I think that care.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Between do you think you know what?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Okay, you know what. I'm gonna take that back. I
would assume outstanding the Zara choice, that he would care.
He's a thoughtful person. He's got to think he has
a better chance with one or the other. But then
I see that he cut Zara, so maybe maybe he
did it. Maybe he was like, I got this either one.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
He was so used to playing from the bottom that
he's just like whatever, or maybe he was just like
maybe underdog.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
There's always there's always the people who you know, you know,
go up against the best and beat him. Or if
I don't, then fine, there's always those those players who
don't want to take the goat along with them.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, it's a curious thought.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I been a pretty good game, so I don't mean
to say that. But she I don't think she was
winning if she got to the final two.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Although although you never know.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, I mean there were a lot of there were
a lot of girls on that tribe that I think
maybe could have persuaded Maybe they that Zara could have
persuaded them. I don't know. It depends on how mad
Laura still is. But like I said, I feel like
Laura would be like you did me dirty, here is
the fire. I just I just don't think that she

(14:04):
would like not pick Zara because of that, you know
what I mean, Like, I don't think she would be
bitter about it. I mean, she's I think they all
have a level bitter, but at the end they want
to pick the right person.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
More bitterness that I thought, or a little bit a
little bit the cameras.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
But guys, maybe maybe they are a little bit well
Miles and Zara contemplate a j and Zara making fire
and up until tribal votes, it's really like it kind
of seems like all parties believe that it would come
to fire, you know, but then in the end Zara

(14:46):
is centaury. So it was like, did you guys just
like to talk about it? Is this like Rocks, is
this like you just thought maybe it would be fun
to talk about.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Zara's said in her jury thing that she was kind
of happy that they had like put her out of
her misery.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
She didn't have to try and make fire.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yes, jury villa i okay Aj said to Tzara because
she she kind of kind of went at him a
little bit when he was sitting at his table, and
he said, look, he said, he said, Miles was voting
for you, Caylen was voting for you. And he said, now,
you and I could have voted for Caylan, and that

(15:32):
would have meant that you would have had to make
fire with Caylen. And he goes and Zara, he said,
no offense, but I don't think he would have had
a shot of beating him at fire. And he said,
then I would have burned my root to the final
two because Caylen, because I made him make fire, wouldn't
take me.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, once someone gets in there, even if you don't
like the move they made me think they betrayed you,
once they explain that I literally had no other choice,
like I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It makes you think she seemed to understand it, but
she seemed no less.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
For well, nobody in y'all.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
But nobody likes to put their trust and faith into
somebody for any amount of time, even on a game
where you know, even if you might have contemplated not
being faithful to them, it still sucks. It still sucks
when you get that close and you don't get closer,
but I mean, I'm sure at this point everybody is

(16:29):
pretty hunky dory, you know what I mean, Like now
that their space, they've been home, they've had their regular
life and shower, you know, back with their family around
trusted people, and you got to think about that psychle
like the psychological part of it too. When you're not
around those people that you trust without even thinking about
trusting them, You're always having to think do I trust

(16:51):
this person? Do I trust this person? Every day for
fifty days, Like, yeah, that's gonna be mentally exhausting. Even
if you are sitting.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Under of these games that especially the one the Big
Brothers and Australians were where they played longer, it's gotta
be super tough.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, that is a that's yeah, that's a mental challenge
for sure. So all right, so we've got Zara going
three to one and then we're going to go to
our finale episode. The beginning of this episode had such
gorgeous beauty, show beautiful, like impressive, impressive show. Yeah, and

(17:36):
then like they're talking about like people of the past
and most of them like who huh what?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Oh rich I forget about you?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like yeah, I know, right, like somebody who was such
a familiar face for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
And what's his name? All just straight around like idol.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Just yeah, you had Nash and Max and.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And uh and then the who likes the bird people's
hats of reason and then tell people, yeah there was
no that was stupid.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
You never read the words.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Because just because he played the monumentally stupid game doesn't
mean I can't like him.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
No, I mean that's fair. But then it means that
I can find a little It means that I came
a little bit like you less.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yes you do. I don't know if that's real.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
That is not the huge deal.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah it was, he was.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
It was just like, why are you so eager to
tell him the next tribal?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Shut up so many interesting people that I was glad
to see.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
At the end.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Then you busted out at the end and you tell
people and they go they got an extra funny story.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yes, it was funny hearing Miles say that that he
played too hard at the beginning and he recognized it.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Mm hmmm, yep, he was able to what's the word
go for.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
It pivoted, I'm going to get the friends thing so
I can flash it on the screen every time we
think it is.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
It is the the word pivot, and Miles was able
to do it a lot because he was chaos and
didn't care. He was just gonna go, go, go, like
we're just gonna throw it at the wall and see
if it sticks, and for him it did more often
than it didn't. So we've got these gorgeous beauty shots

(19:38):
the inner thoughts from the remaining players, and then we
get to our final challenge and we have the friends
and family visit. Okay, Christy, I need to know all
your thoughts about meeting Kaylin's mom.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, So if I didn't love this kid more, right,
And they're like, they go the other should have their
loved one come in. She's the last one to come in,
and so of course, and he says, bring her in,
so you know, what's a girl? And I'm like, who's
it gonna be? And then it's his mom and I'm like,
of course.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
It's of course it's a mom this guy.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Uh boy.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
She seemed real happy to see him, and as any
mom would know, I'm sure you know, I'm sure she was.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
And it was mutual. You could see he was pretty
happy to see his mom.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I thought she was awesome. Now the other two were duds.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I'm sorry about my life. I'm sorry. But I
thought like Ali, like Miles's buddy, was hilarious because A
J's guys all like, dude, like root your guy on
a little bit. Like he's like, oh, you can't do it, Miles.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
He seems like, listen, here's the thing. Miles is already awkward.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
That's the reason he didn't play such a great social game, right.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
But it was kind of of understandable when you go like, oh,
but he's way less awkward than these friends are even
so yes, oh so I laughed.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I thought that was so funny like that he had
to be told like now this is where the whole
flying to Somemoma thing, like this is why you're here.
You what route him on right now?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
You were bad TV at this point, dude.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
So when Miles was the first one out, does that.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Mean that was his fault?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
We could I you know what, if I was friends
with Ali, it would be it wouldn't be his fault
from here on out until eternity.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I have to say it. When we get to these
AU final challenges and they're always endurance challenge, yes, and
I bet you to still have him going back to
watch season one's final challenge, despite my almost begging for
you to do it.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
So I'm going to get the time, but so sureously
it's fifteen minutes. No, I don't want to watch it
like that, no spoilers I want.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
But it's well because the whole game changes. It's amazing
owner seen it. But anyhow, there's always these final challenges,
these monumental endurance challenges, and I can't tell you how
compelling I thought the challenge was. In the same week,
the Jeff Probes comes out talking about US Survivor and
says endurance challenges are bad TV.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
It's not you know, it's just lazy writing Probes things.
It's just like, it's not.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Exactly what you want to watch in Survivor, right.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I think what Probes thinks is is that they are
at a set location. They probably have a limited amount
of time they are allowed to record in each of
the gameplay areas. But rather than coming clean and saying
these are the rules that we have to abide now
because production decided this is how we were gonna do things,
and so we're not gonna have endurance because we don't

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have recording time available in the evening for these things
that run long. It's said he tries to sell every
day New Rule as a positive spins you know, and
why it makes Survivor grits.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
And then some of the some of the AU ones
went on like I don't know, yes hours.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
And I'm just gonna tell you right now.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
The production staff for AU, they are hungry. They want
to show you what they can do.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
And this last episode proved that.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Like I said earlier, the editing to the music choices
sound was amazing. Uh, even the set like walking in
for that challenge.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
And it just looks like they just learned to thicket
of bamboo. And then you see this horrible setup that
they have.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh I know, it was like a beautiful torture chamber, right,
it was absolutely torture.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
It was like jungle torture.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Do you think this one was worse than the one
where that George was in when it was like coming
coming down and compressing you.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
And I don't know if it was worse. I think
it was in the same realm of hell though, Yeah,
you know, I think one of the one of the
things that was great about this specific challenge was that
it did appear to be so low key, but with

(24:12):
the three players that were up against each other, that's
where the dramatic dynamic really was. You could have taken
three any other three players from this game and put
them there and it wouldn't have been as good.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
No, this was j L pulling and the next one
popped up? What was that that was?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
So that was a lot, but I could see like
would have been a beast in this challenge.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Well, I'm not saying somebody wouldn't be good at this
challenge or give it everything they had, but when you
are dealing with these three pep these three players that
had been working off of each other for the majority
of the season, that each of them had such a
different game where they created this triangle of protection around

(25:06):
each other, and now these three friends are having to
go against each other in this kind of competition, it
was great.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Drama could take the next level. I'm sorry, Christie. The
next level being were these the most three worthy players
to be in the final three?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I truly believe so much.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
I believe that too.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I mean, I think I think you had the best
strategic player, you had the most clever, sneaky player, and
you had the best physical player yep. And I just
I don't see how anybody can make it arguing that
somebody else someone Sometimes the most worthy player gets voted
out at four, right, they almost.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Seem a lot, they almost always do. But that that's
what's great about this trio because they literally are the
like outweit outplayout last, Like each of them owns that
one part of that title. Like it is. It's been
years on any Survivor franchise that I've seen the final
players all like, oh, I don't actually know who's gonna

(26:06):
win this, Like from one second, I think it might
be this person, and then the next second I might
think it's this person.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
That's why the jury videos were so crucial this season, Yeah,
because you wanted to see, like, what are they thinking
the challenge?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
And the challenge was really winnable by anybody, although it
seemed to me that right after we started watching it,
it seemed like obvious Miles.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Was going to drop Yeah yeah, yeah, well and he
had like he had the if you if you look
at it, like it got harder because the the separation
of the pegs, not just that the pegs were worse.
But at the beginning, AJ was doing pretty good because
he's so long legged, yeah, right, whereas Miles had to

(26:50):
start stretching right up.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
But at the AJ was hurt because he had the
biggest feet. Yes, and did you see he had his
feet on there and his feet were like a half
way to the ground.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Production AJ, because he has his feet wrapped. That's not fair,
and he I think that's why he was so confident,
and because he literally was not getting down from.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It, I thought, But I wonder, I wonder had.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
His feet wrapped too, didn't he? Because I think they
have open sores on their feet.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, that's what I'm guessing.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
But the amount of times that AJ said I'm literally
never getting down. I'm literally never getting down.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I think he kept saying that because I think he
was hurting right off the bat. And where you've got
Kaylin who just goes into like you know, he starts meditating.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
He was going to go for a minute.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, but he meditated on that last change.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I didn't think was going to make it.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, but he is. He meditates his way out and
and and AJ talks when he's in pain or nervous.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yes, but his mom. But Kaylen's mom immediately said to
them like, oh Kaylen. He was like, I'm not going
to make a fuss. I'm gonna be quiet, yes, you
know anything, because that's his zone. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
But she was gonna like do we need to talk
it through son, whatever you need, and he was like, nope,
just gonna be quiet.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah. So you know what Miles for starting out kind
of rough anyway, he didn't step down for two hours, Like, yeah,
I can't stand in a line for two hours, guys,
I'm like, without whining and compining, you know, like two
hours on these pegs.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Can't stand in line with a super warmarked for ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You're right, I can't. I have no patience for a line.
I absolutely don't.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
I'm out here.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I just can't do it, Like I'll think about eating
it instead.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
You can't do lines, but you can't just open it
up and eat it in line makes it.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
They make sure you pay for it then.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, like you can, but you do get some
lucks and history has taught me anything. They look at
you weird, but these guys are like they're fighting for
everything they have. Miles stays up for two hours. I
do like where AJ is telling Kielan like, listen, whether
you step down or no, I'm taking you.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
I'm doing that big brother bargaining.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, but I think I think he did it the
wrong way. I think he should have said, Kaylan, if
you tell me you're taking me, I'll step down. I
trust you that much because you're my brother. And you
know what, if Cayln would have made that commitment AJ
steps down, he would have had to take him, and
I don't know why he didn't try.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I also have to say something else about the challenge
because the loved ones was there and Aj. This was
the episode where I really thought AJ slipped into some
kind of slimy manipulation and the first time was right here,
because he starts, you bet oh, Caitlin's mom, let me

(29:51):
let me tell you and let me give you all
of these these things to tell you how how what
a great sun you up?

Speaker 4 (29:58):
He is great. Everybody loves him. I mean, but meanwhile,
Miles is down there. Gun.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, he knew exactly what he was doing. He was
literally making the case to Miles of you know, you
cannot take him.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
This guy's gonna win it the end.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was a super way to do it because.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
It was skeezy. He used his mom.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
He was He complimented his mom and said she did
a great job raising aside.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yes, I mean like you cannot do something that you
could have done just talking to her.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
There was and I feel like, yeah, I didn't care
it was Skeezy. I would say that it could have
been his mom, his brother, his dog, It doesn't matter
who would have been there. He would have said it.
Because I think that this was really reflective of when
they won the Luxury Challenge and they were all sitting

(30:58):
around and eating and miles with them and they started
kind of like dropping the conversation about who had the
idol and but they were like, but we're not going
to tell you what to do, and then they were
like kind of advertently getting everybody to agree to do
something they didn't think they were going to agree to do.
It felt kind of like that, except except the thing

(31:21):
is is that aj Aj is really really good at
getting the compliments to people, but occasionally he just goes
just a tea's tiny bit too far, just a teeny
tiny but just like a little a little like like
you too far of BSh. And then you're like, wait, wait, drips.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
There's like some saliva that drips off of it, and
you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, like it's all shiny. It's really good most of
the time, but once in a while, I.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Think I think part of that is his poker background,
because yeah, yeah, he doesn't have to be around people
for forty eight days. It's a couple hours, right, so
it doesn't wear on you.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
And also like manipulate people in the game. Fine, this
is he like us a person who's not in the game,
and that.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
They're there.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Game play whatever game you want to play. I'm just
saying this is what made him a little skeezy.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
This was definitely the car salesman coming out.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Sometimes he's very charming and you go like, oh, sometimes
it just seems.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Than I thought I would have loved.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Though, if after all of the like, Keelan's so great,
everybody loves him, Mom, you did it. This is a
reflection of how great you have raised him.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
You know. I think, sure, my husband yelled over the TV,
why don't you marry him? Then?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
But if he would have just looked at Olie and
been like, hey, Allie, Miles is fine, okay, see, then
that would have been fantastic, This is all right. But
I do think that Aj was doing some chatting to
try to manipulate the situation in the moment, and some

(33:12):
chatting because he was.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Just we're going to see it bigger a little bit later.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
But at this point he still thinks Kieland is not
seeing through him, that Kayla doesn't see through him.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, I mean, I do love everybody.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Over Klan's eyes completely, which he.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Had that everybody thinks that Keilan's just two nights and
smiley to see an ounce of reality around him, and
I do kind of love that they're not really seeing
that he does know what's going on around him.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Do you think this plays out any differently now? Not
the immunity outcome obviously, but let's going into it, or
even the events that happened in the episode before. Had
Miles not made the move at Aj, would they have
taken fulling out instead of I think yes.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
I don't know, because Aj was already telling us that
Keelan was his number one. He was going with.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
If if Sara stays, AJ wins that challenge probably and
then he takes Zara and he wins.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think that Zara might have won that.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Challenge Okay, who did I think she takes agent. She
certainly doesn't take miles.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
She might have. That's yeah, that she may have done.
I mean she was in a lose Losse situation. I
feel like she was definitely closer to a j overall.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Obviously she felt really betrayed by his vote because it
was clear at the don't you agree, trist at the villa.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, she seemed upset, but every single person had something
to say to the person that came in after them.
It seemed like that was the trajectory of each villa.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I mean, who who was it who came in and
everyone was just happy. Okay, Kate. Everyone loved Kate. It
did better like Kate.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yes, everybody loved to Kate.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Talk about Kate's wonderful dress at final.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Travel well we will when we're all that, you bet.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, it was like it was like.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Spark It was sparkly.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Also, I need I need to say that at the
end of this challenge, can we say like it takes
some nerve to fight that hard in that final challenge,
you slip, you fall. I mean, AJ's feet were the
most unnatural color a foot can be and still be
attached a J's foot was starting to look like Alexandria's

(35:46):
foot on nineteen twenty three. I was looking really gross
and bad, and I'm telling you he falls, but then
Kila jumps down.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You had frost fight. Ca Oh, that was so sweet.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I promiz like I also was a guess what, I'm
not even hurting.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I'm still staring at you.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
I couldn't been up there a long time, so it's
a good thing you dropped. And maybe that makes it
feel better aging that going like I could have been
at stage. No, dude, Kailan won't come down.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
He wasn't coming down. But that's one of the really
great things about Kailan's personality is that he wasn't going anywhere,
but he wasn't sitting there talking smack at a j
and being like braggadocious, you know, just like I'm not
gonna say anything, and then I'm gonna pick your corpse
up the floor to your friend.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
You didn't think You didn't think that was like heartfelt.
You didn't think that was legit. I felt it felt.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, I think it was absolutely hard thought.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
He was like he fought like a warrior. He can't walk.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I'm gonna help you Yeah, No, I absolutely think it
was heartfelt. But I'm just saying that's what you know when.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
They carried that, when they carried Maximus out of the col.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
But it's it's just one of the glorious things about
a personality like Kilan is that he knows that he
can do all of the things, and he's so confident
that he could do things, he just shuts up and
doesn't talk about how he's going to outdo the things.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, he's not braggadocious, but I think at this point,
or it seemed to me that, and I don't know
if you guys were getting this vibe, it felt like
he was gonna pick a Ja's day and they were
in vote.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Okay, well, I am going to keep no point.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I don't know this, but I really.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Sat with I really sat with the I'm not sure. Well,
I'm gonna i'll give you my train of thought like
how it went, because it went all over the place for.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Like, I'm gonna is this a time for a commercial break?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you after we have our five
second break.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
First, I want to point out Helan's win was his
seventh community in a single season, breaking his own record.
Of the sixth that is a survivor record in all formats.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I don't think it.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I think I don't think it'll ever be beat.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
If you think that we have a nearly fifty episode
or we're forty.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Eight right now, forty eight US in Australia and it's
never happened.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Ones around the world, unless there's like a hundred day
that even the Bolden God did that.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's a breakable record.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I think it's okay, time anyway, let's do a.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Five second break for commercial and then we're gonna come
back and talk about what we think. Kilan was thinking, Okay,
I think that's five seconds, all right. So my my
train of thought here was that, okay, he's making faces

(38:56):
that say like I'm struggling with who I'm going to pick,
because he did promise each of them at one point,
it seemed like he had a longer held promise with AJ,
so the chance like yeah, like day one, right, So
I felt like for loyalty's sake, I could see where
it would be AJ. But then I thought to myself,
I think Kielan understands that he's won these challenges, but

(39:21):
he needs to have a big strategic move and the
only way he's going to have that is if he
cuts the biggest threat in the whole game.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yes, and.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Let's where what conclusion he came to.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
But at this point I really felt like a J
thought he was okay. He did.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I believe that AJ thought he was okay for.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
The game he Jeo video. The only mistake he truly
made in the game in his mind was trusting can
You know what.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
That's a bitter betty, but I don't think he trusted
him throughout the entire game.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I trust him there just as much as he got
Kaylen there.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
But he's He's right, the Christie. The only real mistake
he made in the game was trusting that Kilan was
going to take him.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Great can he because he he would have very likely
manipulated Miles into taking Kaylen out FO he may have.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
But I would say that is the one real true
mistake he made in his game was at the end
he trusted that no matter what, Klen was going to
take him.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Because he made him and thought he was thought he
was dumb. The can was a big dummy every no
matter he says.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
He says in the jury video, he goes, Caitlyn's way
smarter than you think, and he's hiding his intelligence.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Then why did he But he still thought he.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Was because he thought Caitlyn was a loyal guy and
was going to take him along.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna come in here and say
I think that a J not trusting Klen had nothing
to do with one is a opinion. If Kaylan was
I think AJ was that fuck that full of himself,
that he was that safe. I don't was his friend.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
He was telling his friend right like, oh, I'm okay,
I'm good, I'm totally good.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
This is not worse case scenario.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, but but picture AJ going to Miles before the
Zara though, and saying, Miles, if we vote out Tzara,
then Calen's going to win the Final Challenge and he's
going to pick whether it's you or I going if
we vote out Kaitlin, you and I have the odds

(41:36):
on chance of winning the Final Challenge, and we could
take each other or not. But the point is we
got a much better odds of winning it, and I
think he would he could have definitely had he wanted
to sway Miles. I think he could have.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I will argue that I don't know Miles would have
been swayed in that because the realistic view of it
is the reason why there was any threat for z
being at the end to begin with, was that Miles
and Aj both believed that she would be equally as
good as Kaylan at winning an endurance challenge against them,
but that Kilan was more trusted, especially on AJ's behalf.

(42:16):
And if you look at Zora like she Zara betrayed
one one ally after another after another after another after another,
like Aj was like maybe maybe I'll cover you, maybe not,
but he he was not, like Zara was like right
there at tribal we were just talking about it last week,

(42:37):
where she could be like, yes, your plan's definitely better
for me, I'll do that, and then she goes not
writes down something else. I just they trusted Caylan Moore.
I think Miles believed that he could talk Kilan into
keeping him. I think Aj believed that that he was
gonna be safe with him no matter what.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
You know why I think that is.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I think it's because every single time he had a
conversation with somebody, why he was so liked, every time
he had a conversation with somebody, He listened to them,
He listened to what they had to say. Oh he
he just would just you know what I mean, the
like people he was giving his opinions to really.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Was Aj right? Mile? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
And when you think someone's totally listened to you and
like understanding that they're agreeing, they're not correcting you, They're like, oh, okay,
they're seeing it the way I'm seeing it.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Okay. That's why I.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Think that the loudest radar that Aj and Miles both
had was at each other. That's it. They both thought
they could probably trust Kaylin, but they did not trust
each other. I think they knew that because both of
them knew I'm not gonna win against you. They both
had that thought. So whoever it was is the third person.

(43:52):
They just had to think, maybe I can trust them
a little bit more than I can trust Miles. I
can trust him a little bit more than I can
trust Aj.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Do you think go ahead?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
So going into tribal like walking in, you think he
knew he was sending Aj home because he.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Pulls them over for that little side chat.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I think that he he's I think he's.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
AJ to give him the sign that it's gonna be okay, Yes,
it'll be.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
I think that he, like earnestly, was struggling with it
because he I think, on one hand, he he knew
the level of promises that he had made to AJ.
But on the other hand, he knew that if he
stood a chance against that jury, it wasn't going to
be against AJ.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
And up to this point right here, AG's everything that
that beginning of that episode, of first half of the episode,
AJ was so cocky.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
It was like all like turned up to eleven. You know,
he was like before.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
But even on their like little reminiscent beauty shots at
the beginning of the episode, as you said, Miles, was like,
I had a really rough start. I did this, I
did this, and as like, I play this game perfectly.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
I played the game. I've never been the stream survivor
in the universe.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
The end, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Their little side chat had AJ looked at him and said,
we've been together since the beginning, and if you cut me,
I just don't know that I can ever forgive that.
And I gotta be honest with you. Do you think
that would have changed the outcome?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I think maybe it would if it was.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Then Caylin's whole I'm seeking an approval for this.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Is ball maybe, but you know what it would have done.
It would have really soured the jury against.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Him, Against all.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Thought, I think they soured because Slee's ball number two
moments Tribal where where Aj decides to try to manipulate
k Kaylen again and just the whole your heart, your heart,
trust your heart, go with your heart.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
You know, in your heart, your heart. I mean the
amount of times you bring he says it. It's like
he's trying to brainwash.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Just go with your heart. Yeah, he didn't say he.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Doesn't want to go with this heart. I know he's
gonna I trust killing he's gonna be just go with
your heart.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
You know, he's the goodest boy. He's the goodest boy,
and he is gonna go with his heart. And right
before that, I do kind of like how he was like, Okay,
sure you did this, but like Miles, like I did this,
but like Miles broke all of these records. And then
he just goes down Miles's like resume of record breaks,

(46:41):
and I was like, damn, was he tracking this the
whole time he.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Was making it? Up, though some of those are not
even verifiable. The most weeks played from the bottom, like
how do you how do you even judge that you're
not voted out?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I don't know you. I thought that part was I
thought that part was kind of brilliant in the sense
that he was like, he has to sell himself at
this point. He knows have to make a choice. He's
gonna have to make a choice, so he's got to
make Miles look like the bigger threat.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
It looked like when he started saying that, they were
kind of like like, oh, he's it's too much.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
He's laying it on too thick. That's too gross.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Now I want to ask you he ultimately, as we
all know, he picks a J to go home and
Miles grew up against him in the final two. Did
he make the right ball? Yeah, and I don't think,
knowing what we know now, he one.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Vot I would like to see it the other way,
because I'm gonna say it. I think A J was
a bitter bitch. There you go.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
That's for this large scorge he got over to the jury.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Brian, it was not me this week. Be bitter at Christie,
you know, for all.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
His I'm fine, I'm fine, it's all great, it's fine.
As he was leaving, fine fine, Seine, love you, love you,
and Kaylen's like whatever, He's just like it's fine. I
mean he wanted to. I think he wanted to punch
Kaylen at that moment. It was so fake and phony.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
And then he's leaving and then you watch his jury
thing and he's so discombobulated.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
He cannot even.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
He was in shock.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
He could not believe that Kaylen didn't.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
He really did truly believe it. But I think that
I would be curious to see what the numbers would
be otherwise. But I don't if I don't believe Kyl
would have won over a J, I still don't believe
Kaylen would.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
But at least he wouldn't have had him over there
bad mouth in him. Because I'm gonna tell you, I
am for I from watching it again tonight before we
record it. AJ did not help him. He did not
help his friend at all. I think.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I think I think was in a no win situational.
Was was flying Kobeyashi Maru mission, and he was scenario.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
When they started tribal Klin made the way better opening statement.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
It was by far better.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
He got out voted seven to one, and it might
have been it might have been six, it might have
been five three.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Against their face, they could not believe he be such
a good for himself.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I will say this, His opening statement was great. Miles
was fine, but Kalyn's was really good. I was really
impressed with it. Like Brian was saying, everything following that,
the closing argument, the things following that, he couldn't quite.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
No, he could.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
He struggled portraying what his game was. Us as viewer editing,
we could see it.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
For the editing, Yes, where he's saying all the things
he did. They showed the little clip of him saying
the things he was saying. They made the case. They
made a case for him.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yes, he did absolutely good. And us as viewers, we
have the window where we could see how he played
his game and where where detrimental moves included him, or
where he had information someone else didn't have. We could
see all of that. His job was to make sure
the jury could see that, and he just couldn't do it.

(50:21):
Everything Miles Dad did was allowed and in everyone's face,
and that he didn't have to explain it. It was
already stuck in their hands on display.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I was like, and over here, you'll see my entire
game on display. Would you like me to explain anythings
right here?

Speaker 4 (50:34):
You saw it all? It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
So we're now now that we're moving on to the
final trying to win the pitches.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah. I have to say I thought ages opening was
or I'm sorry, Keeln's opening was okay, and I thought
Myles was probably a little weaker. But then it was
like it was like watching Scooby Doo and Kaitlin reaches
back and rips his face off and suddenly he's the
evil guys and he had nothing good to say, and

(51:02):
he like couldn't answer the questions and he had this
smirk on his face like he was like he was
doctor Evil. I don't know what happened to this. All
he had to do is continue being the sweet guy
we saw season.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I think his face was a reaction to the faces
that he was seeing on the jury, and he was
super smiling, and then he as you know, and then
he did his first opening statement and they were like oh,
and then someone asked him a question.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
And it was like, that's a tough question.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
But his body language was awful. He looked, he looked angry.
He looked.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
But more arrogant than a J. Gave me a break,
wasn't a factor. He was arrogant.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
He said, I don't see a place in my strat
I played a strategically perfect game.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I don't see a lot of strategy.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Well, he did clearly at his flock, because he got
only one vote, and that was probably.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Because I would like to I would like to offer
a thought.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Absolutely is a strategy law.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Here's the.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Game that are not strategy.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
But here's a question. Do you think that this came
into play for the jury at all? AJ gets his chance,
they have all their questions and and then AJ asks
his question. Now, this is the the closing argument of
a J. I think may have played some detriment towards
Kielan's game because he did give a little crap to

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Miles' statement saying it was a little bit delusional with
the dragons. With the dragons, but he did at one
point say in in his in his words, a shield
is something that you eventually drop off. But you kept
your two biggest shields to take all of the hits
for you. Uh, your best allies are the ones that

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you think you can and beat but can't. So he
he was pointing out all of these little flaws where
keel and speech was was like missing some important things.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
He said, yes, you had shields, but like you're supposed
to let google of those shields at something.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Well, it says who that's the thing. He didn't rebuttle him. Yeah,
that's AG's a point. Oh you're supposed to drif He
would have.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Had a good argument against that, but he didn't.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
He kind of dropped my shields. You were of no
threats to me. You're sitting in the jury.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
But unfortunately, unfortunately, when you're saying this to a jury
and not saying it in front of yours that have
watched your whole game, right, they say, oh, yeah, you
have had miles in a j there the whole time.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
You know what I want to hear a viewer comment
that I completely agree with our friend says, I don't
think anybody on the jury changed their mind at the
last tribal, and I agree. Everyone voted the way they
decided to vote before they walked. I don't believe any
maybe changed.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Maybe I don't know until I've talked that is I
feel like every journey.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
That was starting for Miles. Yeah, because he listed Paullie Pollie.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
And pull dancing Miles, there were gonna.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Be flick either with your telegraphing to Miles about all
of your p.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Who you're voting Ryan, I feel like so, I feel
like there was a large portion that had a pretty
damn good idea who they would check over the other person.
But I do think there might have been two or
three not not a wind change enough of people. But
I think there were some people who were earnestly waiting
to hear what the responses are before they made up

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their mind. Maybe no minds changed, but I think maybe
not changed, but chosen.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
And you know, remember when Mark won and he did
the whole thing about how I stayed in the water
and I kept my I kept my head down to
hide my sighs and to just stay off people's radar.
I just don't think Calen. Calen's speech didn't have that
much thought to it.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
He wasn't he wasn't able to protray I mean, I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Mean a gablers people who wanted the final pri.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yes, his his opening statement did because he did explain
that I'm just smiling, easy to get along with. I didn't,
you know, outside of physical Yeah, it doesn't seem like
I really but I'm you know, I'm not really doing anything.
You know that's like freaking anybody out. But meanwhile, I
was bringing all this information to I think he did

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well at the beginning.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
He did.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
He sold himself as being I was a threat in
the competition, but nowhere else to make me feel better.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
It's fine. I can believe what I believe.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And I think I think, I think Logan he has
their minds made up.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Video he watched the got him give it Kaitlin given
his speech and he goes, oh, they're all realizing he's
not dumb, right, Oh yeah, I thought.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I thought his opening speech was I think his opening
speech was good. He just he fumbled it from that
point and just couldn't.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
And he does speak like a scientist because Brian brought
it up the whole repeat repeatable thing, guys, that comes
from science.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Can be proven unless it's repeatable.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yes, and he's right, saying that your game was repeatable
does not sell that it's the best game in the
season next to Miles. Yeah, because it I mean look,
if Miles says, yeah, my game's not easily repeatable, but
I did it. I was able to do it. You
just look yourself.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
All on the journey, not a single one of them
wanted to take Miles out. They did, but not then,
but then that, and then they all said that he's
he was a big target the entire game, and no
one took him out.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
And here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
He said that he should have mentioned telling j LP
not to say he was a hat on that puzzle. Right, No, no, no,
he could have.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Told that story.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
For sure. I thought, hello, unless he was just I
don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
You're biased, but you almost went wire to wire for
the first.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
That would have been great.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
But no, weeks and weeks ago, I said, oh my god,
what if he's being done with them? And so I
was really glad that he was playing done with them,
that that was part of his strategy.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Whether they appreciate or.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Not, I do feel like a lot of them were
a little butt hurt that they think he's fake because
he didn't show them that he was smart and knew
what was going on.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I'll tell you this, you're faked, You're not stupid.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I will say that if I was sitting on that
jury up to the point where Kilan and the three
of them walk in, Kilan cuts a j my head
would have been like, Oh, he's gonna win. And then
the opening my brain still would have been like, Oh,
I think I'm gonna write down Kiln. I think because

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if I didn't know none of that, yeah, blow my
mind right, I would be surprised enough or be like
holy crap, okay, But then all of the follow up
statements after that, I really quickly started losing interest in
Klan did and the flashbang show of Miles was back.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
These questions that should be illegal.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Did you notice that the only vote that Keven got
was from the spire Fighter, who appreciated the physical accomplishments.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
But she was playing she was also playing a similar
game as Kaylin. Let's be honest. She would sit there
and listen to people and they were talking. She would
smile and.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Go oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
But she was doing what she wanted behind the scenes,
so maybe she recognizes games.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Yeah, that was the game.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I'm also just gonna go out on a limb, and
I'm going to go out on the limb and say
because after her vote out, she was talking about how
she really only likes playing a nice game and being nice.
I don't think she liked Miles or AJ You're yet.
I don't think if.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
You're game is having people like you and be nice,
You're not gonna like the person yeah making the moves
who don't much care what anybody?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
That's what I'm saying. She didn't know what Rocks was.
She doesn't understand the game. She don't nice people. She
just voted for a friend, you know, if she was
a gamer in this situation, unless it was previously greed
and occasionally I do think there is jury's that say
please throw a mercy vote for somebody. I just don't

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think she understands the concept of the game, and she
doesn't like Miles and AJ.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Okay, okat, no, Christy go you go person.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Want My biggest fear is right now, though I would
love to hear it, and guys, I'm gonna cry so bad.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
I'm gonna be the most heartbroken person ever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
If this ever comes to Fruition, I'm sure we'll hear
about it on the Facebook or something.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
If if it turns out the Kilnson massive asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
That would be sad. It would be said, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Think he is, though, But but this was an amazing season.
I the very very first week when we were supposed
to pick who we wanted.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
I looked and Miles was by far the glaringly obvious
Christie pick. None of us took him because for me
it was too obvious, and I said to myself, Chrissy,
you're the person you pick never ever wins. You pick
the nerdiest most.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
And the fact that he was pick your friend, a
Dungeon and Dragon Dragons player, and like all, I was like, oh,
this is my dude, but I thought, no, don't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
So I thought, you know what, he'll be a good,
well rounded player.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
My place was I don't know who the hell any
of these people are. I don't know I'm going to
possibly vote for them. I haven't even read their pre
interviews that one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
But this year's Golden Trophy for County the votes predictor,
goes to Jamie Joe and her second pick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yes, but I would like to say that my second
pick came before Merge. It was long before merged, so
I feel pretty good about it. And I'm sorry David.
But the way that I have this written down is
at a vote of five to one, Miles is their
sole survivor and Jamie Joe can celebrate another winner's pick. Yeah,

(01:01:41):
because you're not doing so well over on No, I'm
not doing good on the US picks. I am not.
I'm going to clean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Time and we're going to grab some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I'm going to clean sweep at the end. You just
watched my final three are going to be at the
final three and then I'm gonna get all.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
The I get to you know what, I I almost
got there this year. I've never been this close first pick.
Are you kidding me? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
You you were.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I guess you just really like him and I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Have to like, I mean, the chances of going I
think we have. We only had it happened once. Was
the Xavier was the only wire to wire.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Pick right Taylor? Okay, Taylor was my winner's pick for
a big brother.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
So so it it's never happened to me. Side don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I would say it never happened, but I have a
bad never happened, that's what she never happened allegedly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Oh no, because I think last year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Was that what it was?

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
No, you picked George last year, right, and I picked v.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Oh, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
No, not last the year before that, the Georgia Ferris,
I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Oh no, I think we about it. Last year. I
picked what was the little I pick dude's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Name, Raymond.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I pitched Raymond last year. I think he didn't really good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I picked he did really good. And I think Kobe
we did good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
The Joker the year before that, I always picked the
weird dude. Miles should have been my dude from day one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You picked Kirby last year? Yeah, yeah, she was. She's
she's a good player. I was, she wasn't she's not
on the world yep.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah, and she's gonna be on versus the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
So she did so, yeah, she's awesome. So I'd be
happy to see your play.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
So feel need to jump over and watch these other
these other countries shows so we know who the people are.
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
But before we moved to that, I have a have
a I have another question I want to ask. Okay,
so there were there were eight people on the jury? Yeah? Yeah,
of that, who aimless? Three you'd like to see play again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
On the jury?

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Y age is gonna be way too busy doing all
the nineteen eighties porn shows.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
With that hair, I would still say I have time
to come back. Okay, I would say a J Polly,
and Lord Lord help me. I think maybe Zara, Okay,
Logan is the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
She better never ever come back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
No, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
She said something in her some sometime these last two episodes.
I can't remember. I clocked it and then I forgot
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
But she just said something that was really just shut
up Logan. It showed that she still doesn't that is
not self aware.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
But they can't know what it was. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I'm fairly certain David's gonna say Kate.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
I will last.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Christy's first.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Kate cannot come back either, and not anybody who didn't
stay at jury.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
So we have to pick three from just the jury.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yes, and then I have Brian. I'll put him on.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
So Kaylen, Kaylin and Miles can't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Correct, not and not for this exercise. And if you
and if you want honestly say you don't don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
I don't And I'm not picking. I don't think I'm
picking Polly because I think he would be like I
think he would be better his next game around. I
think he was smart enough to have learned a few things.
But like anytime that man is prancing through the water,
I am there for it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
No, that's why I say on Polly Stake, I think
I think he would do much better. He would learn
a lot, and I think he would.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
I think Polly Sarah would probably be good too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Yeah, I know Kate. Isn't he lose many people's throats?
She was able to slice just standing right up close
to her.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
You know what's the other girls? Nay care Karen? Maybe
Karen Karen?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah, if she, if she could let go of like grudges.
I kind of think she's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
I think she's a little I think she's kind of
funny her facial expressions. So I think she could come
back just to be maybe the one that gets booted
by George.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
You know, here's three. Here's my three. A j because
I think he played a great game and I'd like
to see him play again. I'd love to see him
play against George and kill each other.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Yes, he entered George this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yes, and Paulli because he's got a frankly grindie energy
that is vibe with I don't I don't know why.
I just think it's because it's a good energy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
It's because the man can walk into a room wearing
a disco ball for a shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Effect.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Right, it's kind of amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
And then and then here's the one that's going to
shock the four or five people who.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Logan Logan and I already said she can't go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
And you know why, especially because Survivor needs villains. We
need villains, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
We need villains, David, Logan's not a villain. She's just
a whiner. She's not a villain. I would say that
the only villain sitting up in that jury is a j.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Yes, because here's the problem with Logan.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Uh, you might not like her, but it's not because
she's a villain. She's not self aware enough to actually
be a villain. Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
I think she is, though, but I also think I
also think we saw growth for villain from where she
was to where she ended up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Okay, hold don I'm gonna put an argument out here. Okay,
let's like, let's look in the world of like the
or film, comic books, film, the literature. When you have
a villain, a few things are required. A villain has
to have some capability of strategy. Yes, they have to

(01:08:23):
have some capability of like having strategy, having long set
goals or a long con, a long game, different plot
points of how they're going to take somebody down, and
they're going to toy with whatever they're taking down. These
are the things that make a great villain. On the

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flip side, you have somebody who's just kind of an
a hole, and that's someone who gets mad because their
name gets written down. So they get vines and they
have no plan or plot point and they just keep going.
I hate them. They have to go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
You know what, villains don't think their heroes. They accept
the fact that they're villains. Logan thinks she's a hero.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
There you go, Yes, but she might kind of Umbara
Christy is a hero.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
What's upon a time?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
But yeah, okay, I would like to point out that
Brian and I agree on two out of three. Brian's
wrong in the third.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
But you're disgusted by Claren So, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Mean because because I think I think she had a
lot of good three weeks and then she became a
bitter Betty for the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Of the Logan did maybe I think that I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
So maybe I'm reading it wrong. I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I don't like the idea of AJ coming back only
because he will be a first boots to wait, but everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Everybody thought George when George came back, everyone thought George
would be a first boot and he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Oh, I just don't. Just don't think you could do it.
I think he I think he need a bigger break.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
O'Brien is just giving me joke materials.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Okay, this is pretty good though, because he says that
Miles one being the anti logan on the bottom and
cheerful about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
It, and I just haven't on the bottom joke and
I'm not going.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
To make it bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
He's he's a bottom bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
He said that several times. He said that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Because he did, he say he was like a bi
tribal sexual poll dnswers.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
They were like kind of flirty.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
I kind of felt like maybe there could be a
spark there. I don't know, Okay, maybe he can get.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Him give him some.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
First of anybody kind of grossed out when Aj was
like rubbing his back bowles or whatever they are.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
They're scars, I think, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I don't know. They look like they're raised moles.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
They know, but they're long and stuff. I think they're scars.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
I feel like I want to know the story. Like
Chris goes it kind of looks like he was bit
by a shark, but.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
I thought it looked like something something, yeah, something definitely like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Okay, like let's stay though, Okay, could you I don't
think they were raised.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
You think they were just like, oh, they were raised.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
But sometimes you get those kiloids the way things scar.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Yeah, yes, but could you imagine if you're on Survivor,
let's just throw this out there and like, you have
some scars. You don't you probably don't talk about them
a whole lot, but at the end you could be like, Plus,
a shark tried to eat me, I survived a shark attack.
Survivor was nothing. I feel like that's something you could

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pull out of your hat that not many people could say,
I survived a shark attack. Oh I'm very I'm very
pleased with the win. I mean not just because it
was my.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Pull it off. If you never told me weeks ago
that it Miles would be, I'd have been like, oh,
how was he going to do it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Yeah, and yeah, so much fun the whole time, you know,
with the exception of the one Tim where we saw
him talking about knowing he was going to have to
cut a j and he had some feelings about it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Yeah, well, he had a feelings about ending anyone's game.
He knew how help men, how much the people still
wanted the ones that were there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yes, so, but overall, Bray, I'm gonna have to ruin
one of these people's dreams or something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Overall, he still had enough of a competitive edge the
entire time that it didn't him hold himself back. He
just went forward fully, and uh, it was a lot
of fun. It was a lot of fun watching him dance.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
It didn't matter that he fell out that last last
it sure did it. He was like, Okay, I get
to send my buddy Ali over here while you guys
did this up.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
I'm still gonna win this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Don't worry, Allie won't do a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
I thought, Miles sheer Joy when he won the game
was fun. Yes, yeah, you know, I just thought that's
refreshing because it was just he was very authentic. It
wasn't I didn't feel like use.

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
Camera or I think he was authentic the whole game,
don't you No, I think some of it was some
of it was a put on I think when you're
playing from the bottom, you can just be like, you
know what, who he was unafraid to die?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
You know, can do anything right, and so you know
he just he would do all this stupid stuff. Figure
and for sure he's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Gonna go home all the Survivor bucket list. Yep, he's
getting it done now. But here's a thought for you,
because you know how they're like, they were really supportive.
I mean, even though Aj did try to do some manipulating,
because he's got to try to do what he can
at the end of the game. All in all, I
think that these three men really truly are friends. Like

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I really think they do care about each other. And
all I can think about was when Ali was sitting
there watching this challenge, I was like, oh, Ollie realizes
he's the fourth wheel now, like like, oh, these are
Miles's new best friends. Allie, you got some work to do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Oh Ali, you're you're not invited. You're not invited to
the Dungeon Dragons game.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Or some girls.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
That a.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Yeah they can they I might have flight Dungeons and
Dragons sotally fair.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
I'm sorry, Okay, this is a blast of the past,
but this is exactly what I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
I want to see if either one of you gets this.
This agent walks into this final tribal and he has
the most ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Hair of somebody who's ever had hair.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Okay, it is like Jerry curled up. It's nineteen eighty four,
and all I can see is the guy who's delivering
the groceries to the girl's house. He's dating, but he's
kind of hot for the mom in Balley Girl, right

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he looks what was that guy's name, Steve?

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
You know, I want to rewatch girl. I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Just like Steve, I like your daughters, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Whenever I think of whatever I in the moms, whenever
I think of Bally Girl, I think of the song
I Melt with You, and that's all I kind of remember.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
And Nicholas Cage, the entire soundtrack is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
That's what I remember the song.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
But the oh, there's there's so many other good songs
in there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
That hair that hairdoo, though, is like it's all the rage,
Like everybody's got that hairdo right now. I like, Yes,
it's very popular with the twenty something year old men,
and they'll go out and get it perm.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
I've not seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
They will get it perm to look like that, and
us onliners who are old and like to make fun
of such things are have started referring to that haircut
as the Blanche Deborau because that is like some very
old lady stylin. It's very like nineteen nineties.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I don't know, you know, you know nobody. I haven't
seen it here, but maybe I live in God's I
do too. I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
I've seen it the youth group. The kids come walking
out of the youth group ministries with the haircut. It's
it's everywhere. You're gonna see it everywhere. Now, this is
gonna be like, this is gonna be down there in Missouri.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
I don't want none of that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
No, it's gonna be like David. You know when David
was like, what's the deal with dark eyebrows and bleached hair?
And we're like, dude, it's been a thing for twenty years,
that's what this is. And now he sees it everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Oh, I do everywhere I go.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Yeah, you were educated that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
I mean like Dury United Saturday saw a show and
it's a screen grab.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
It's like a like Star Trek wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
It was? It was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
The news start. We have another but that is not
as jelly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
This was to like, I don't know, something weird, Okay,
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Want to make another call out to UH, to Dennis
and Brian, thank you for you know, taking the recommendation
and joining us for the Survivor You Ride this year
and and and next year. We're all going to work
on Mandy and get her to watch YEP. Finally, and finally,

(01:17:39):
as much as I hate to do it, thank you
for Scott for providing some feedback and joining us. I
always value you know, he loves the show as much
as we do, and it was nice.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Yeah, we haven't seen what he thought.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Well to check it out, and I will say, guys, Mandy,
I believe that I have got her set and committed
to watch at least the au versus the world. She's
a very very busy lady, so three episodes a week
is not take a thing right now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
He'll just get busier. So, like you know, it's hard
when you have teenagers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
But the King of podcasting officially endorsed our endeavor and
he's invited us back to his castle in Scotland. Well, yes,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Ahead and read why don't Jamie wanted to go ahead
and read his comments so that when this goes out
as a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
He says, thank you for the recommendation I have. I
had tears and joy. Great season. I love you guys.
The King of podcasting endorses your endeavor. It invites you
back to my castle in Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
And on and on Facebook. Our friend Dennis said, one
of the most entertaining seasons of survive of any survivor.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
It really was. It really was. Miles was so much
fun to We've never seen such a well balanced final three.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
And it was so it was so satisfying. It is
I was so happy either way.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I just feel like the the finals for a U
are so much more satisfying than US anymore. And I'd
love to rank at US, but it just, for whatever reason,
whatever the secret sauce is in AU, it seems like
edge of the seat stuff. I got spoiled this week
and this morning it was still more excited for the

(01:19:29):
finals than I was the last four seasons of the US.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I mean, I don't know. If it's the music, I
don't know, if it's the editing, I don't know. If
it's stories, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Think it's the production over right. You're listening their production company.
They're they're yes. I mean sometimes you can say, okay,
the caliber a player might change per season, per season,
but the production company knows when to cue the music
to make you feel something, knows to edit to make

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you follow for the heroes and the villains, the what
storyline they're telling you. They they have everything lined up.
They know how to tell a story.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
They have this one part of the score that's almost
like like it's so menacing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
And and it's like, yes, US doesn't have that. It is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
It is a fantastic It is more dramatic. It is
a fantastic uh score. I love like when it's time
to vote. One of my favorite things is just where
the the the drawn out sense of voting where they
make eye contact with JLP. He makes eye contact with

(01:20:44):
them and then he gives them the go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
It's like a gentleman's agreement.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
It's just now, it's these little things like that that
pull you into that story. And yeah, it's top tier
production for a reality television competition. It's really something for real.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Is a post does more by doing less?

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
He does more standing there with his arms crossed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Ye, and you know it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Well, and it's kind of funny because if you were
to go back I actually did. Speaking of Brian, I
sent him a montage this last week and it's just
a montage of Jeff being a snarky, smart ass the
way he used to be. And it was like, I
don't recognize this sense of humor because it's gone now,

(01:21:50):
Like it's not the same thing, but you know who
it is a lot like is JLP? Because JAILP watched
The King of Survivor to see how am I going
to host the show? And some of the best things he's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Hosting the show like did in the first fifteen seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Yes, yes, And that's what this needs, is like you said,
he can just stand back with his arms crossed, laugh
at the appropriate time, or be like okay, well he
gets excited too.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
But Jeff feels like he has to be part of
the show.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
He's Jeff sometimes Phil sporced, right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
I think at some point I say something here to
fill this void you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Well And and Jeff spent twenty years being the face
of Survivor. There wasn't other survivors there wasn't other hosts
they tried was the face of Survivor, but now he
literally is the face.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
I don't always see the first all right, He's always
gonna be, you know, we love him.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
He's but you know, sometimes and no one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Can ever argue regardless, could go on forever, be honest,
regardless of what the opinions are of the show or
how things are produced. I can't always say it is very,
very clear that Jeff still is in love with that show,
even if it's not the way we would be in

(01:23:21):
love with it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
But of course he is, Jamie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
You know what bothers me by Jeff and I And
I'm critical, and I admit it and probably overly so.
And some of that's some of that's play and some
of that's real. But the reality is in Stephen King terms,
I'm going to say, Jeff has forgotten the face of
his father. He does. He has forgotten what makes your

(01:23:44):
Vivor wonderful?

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Yeah, very I can't put it any better than that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
If you've read those Gunslinger books, you know what I mean.
He's forgotten where he comes from.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Me Because I'm telling you, you bothers just who you
were guys, I will send I will send it just
age though.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Do you think it's just age? No?

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
No, I think it's I think I think he was
a better host than he is a producer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
I still blame Mike White there there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
That could be a thing. You're right, but don't you
think he's Like? How old is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Jeff eight hundred and thirty four?

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
I mean, okay, so which is not old?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
People?

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Listen, you just had a big birthday, and I know
you're feeling pretty good because you've been working out and stuff.
But but it just seems like five years makes a
big difference.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
And I'm thinking, like maybe at sixty, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Know, he's sixty three years old.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Sixty three sixty three, so he's six years older. So
he is he's having old. Let's just be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
He's like eleven years older than me. So I'm yeah,
I'm thinking, I know my high stations.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Guys, he's the same age as my dad and they
have the same birthday? Do they that Jeff Prost might
be my dad?

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Oh? Twenty three?

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Okay, So I gotta do I gotta do this. We
need to go ahead and once again close for five
seconds now and we're back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Okay, all right, it's a it's a finale. We can
pause and we can come back like it's nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
And now I think we need to switch gears and
talk about we can talk about something that's coming up
in June.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Yes, yeah, June twenty seconds. Actually I have it on
my calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
I get it on mine too, Jane twenty seconds, so
between them, and then we'll miss each other a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Oh yeah, I think it'll be.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
It'll be in the pit's over. Seven is over, Yep,
it's almost. I gotta go watch this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Studio is still on. And if you want to laugh
and you like Seth Rogan, but.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
If you do not like Seth Rogan's laugh, don't watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Well, I like it, but if you like Seth, you
could probably put up.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Did you guys start the the John hanone? The yes?

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
And I really enjoyed the first episode. I think I'm
gonna love this shows.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
It's called You Your Friends and Family or Friends.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Three episodes of Handmaiden's Tales.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
So yeah, I can't watch that this season. I'll wait,
I'll catch up later. I'll watch it some other times.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Let's talk about what Let's talk about the people. Coming.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Oh, okay, go ahead, Australia Verse okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
The world we have for the Australian tribe. The Golden God.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
David the new five point six million dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Winter prepped off his major victory.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Question though, was this film before or after that show?
Because I want to know if him and par were
going in his buddies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
It happened it was filmed in September, Jamie, So I
don't know when the other show was filmed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
It had to have been after.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
It had to have been by how they act when
they mis dealing No Deal Island, I feel like they had.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
To each other.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
That's an interesting thing that will form. Right there.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
We have she's divorced, is he? Is he single?

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
I don't know she's she's announced herself.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I thought, yeah, I thought that she don't care if
they have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
If you have a chance the Golden God, you become engaged.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
They had really good chemistry.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
Yeah, such good chemistry.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Anyway, gold I think it's because they both used their
shiny smiles to woo people into submission.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
They both have more than her smile.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Yeah, but that's the only thing that the guys on
the show will talk about out loud while being recorded, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
We have we have King George and his dad.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
He said he's coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
And his and his shirt with Douglas and I am.
I am here for you, King George. You go boy
his cloak.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I would like to refer to that Douglas shirt as
his Douglas cloak, as he is a king.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
We have Kirby coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I'm very excited to see her. I watched her fall
in love with the game. She didn't even completely know
until she started playing it, and she grasped a hold
of that game and started figuring it out. Yeah, really
fun to want.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
So she's smart. Smart.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
We have we have Janine coming back. She played a
great season when she played. We have Luke Torri Absolute
Survivor augend.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
See these are ones I gotta go watch.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
He's awesome. You're gonna love him. You're gonna love him.
He's a he's half broad and half joker.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
All right, Okay, I mean we have we have our.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Our old friend Shawnee returns.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Because of course, do anything else other than Beyond Survivor,
because this like her fifth time or something.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
Well, no, she says she was on Champions Versus Contenders
All Stars.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
In so four times. So she's gonna be on your
fourth Yes, gotcha, she's there, Sandra right, Well, I mean
that's a lot for ten years, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
And returning also is uh is Sarah who played on
twenty and seventeen. Yeah, she's one of those great what ifs.
I think she was voted out around eight, but great
player and I think she could make noise. Now let's
talk about who's coming back for the world. We have

(01:30:06):
our own Suri fields.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Which is like sheet.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
She needs to get with George right away, the two
of them, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
No doubt. We have Poverty who's coming back? That might
be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
We was with Suri right in the Widows Brigade.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah, they've played together, Yes, I'm looking right now. Well,
they played together Liken and Heroes and Villains, so twice
they've played together.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
That's what I mean. I think. But and I think
Tony's played with everybody there too.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
Okay, So what if the two of them and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Then the Golden God and George get King George get
together and the four of them make an alliance?

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
When that amazing?

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
That would be a steamroll, is what that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
The last Jamie just threw it out the last. The
last US survivor is Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Tony was not long for the Traders World. Let's hope
he gets a little more of a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I think he's gonna vibe pretty well with the Australian player.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
He's the first two time winner. Correct, no, right, no, No,
Sandra was the first two times.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
He's the second.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Never, he's the second two time winner. He won the Big,
the Big All Winners season and and and coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Representing the world is Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
No, not that one, that one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Rob from Islands of the Secrets and it doesn't stay.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Where is that must be New Zealand, New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
And then you have.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
I'm so excited to listen to him talk next to
the Australians. I am so excited to listen to an
Australian and New Zealand are talking. Okay, but maybe not
the South Africa. Then, whoever the person is, it's in
the New Zealand. I want to hear the two accents
talking next to each other so that I can pick
it apart and be able to do both of those accents.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
Distinguish.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Okay, well we have Tommy and he's playing from somewhere,
so the wiki is in a language I can't read.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
It's from They filmed in Malaysia, Finland, Finland.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, yes, I forgot there was
a Finland.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
Excellent. He's it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
What's his name, Tommy uh man man Nin, I'm going okay.
And we have we have Lisa from Survivor Thailand and
we have no joining up.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
That was a New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
That was a New Zealand, the New Zealand season. Yeah,
I think that's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
The Thailand one, yes, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
We have joining us from Survivor Quebec Cats, so I'd
be interested. I hope they're going to have like some
videos on these folks because.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
It's interesting that we have AU versus the world, but
realistically it's a U and US versus the world because
AU and US are they're both stacked with young players.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
They have well, I have a feeling we haven't watched
these others. I have a feeling these are the biggest
people who've ever played their version of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Sure, yeah, there's like one of them from each country
we have.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
How many?

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
There's seven ausies Okay, there's only three and the three US,
so it's okay, okay, it is It's like the world
versus Australia, so so so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
In other words, if the tribes are separated EU and
the world, the world actually has an over US. They
could they have the majority they could put on.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
But the US has the biggest grouping within the world
if they start.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Right, correct. But but the other four aligning against in theory.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Yes, there, and they're gonna go, Oh, she's she's so fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Where she doesn't speak Finnish.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
But Tony they'll want to get rid of.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Yeah, we're getting rid of this.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
Guys. What is he doing?

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
He's over there? Is he building a spy shack? He's
gonna go He's gotta go. Well, he knows I mean,
he's a major US fan, so he knows all the players,
he knows what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
If they played in another country, they probably knew of
the show from the US.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Oh sure, yes, but but he's definitely George is gonna
have him all clocked. He knows how Tony plays, he
knows how Three plays, he knows how Park plays. I
would love for him to play with Srie. I see
him trying to work with Park.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Yeah, so we don't know yet. How many episodes we
know it was it was filmed over sixteen days. Yeah,
so I would imagine there's going to be multiple double votings.
So I'm thinking this is going to be an eight
to ten episode season. I'll be surprised if it's longer

(01:35:41):
than that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
So yeah, I think it'll run for a month.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
Do you think I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Feeling like two months. I'm feeling like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
The players for sixteen days.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
I mean, is it gonna be on three times a
week like like a U in which case, in which
have four weeks of stock, you could have twelve episodes you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Would have to have you'd have to have.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Twelve boots, right, you need twelve boots, So that's twelve episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
With a boot let it so it'd be three a week,
four weeks to three. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
It says that it's supposed to start June twenty second
and we'll conclude on July ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Oh, so they ain't gonna be three episodes a week.
Then it's maybe there's gonna or maybe it is three
episodes a week, well three weeks, nine episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Yeah, maybe, I don't know. You're mathing. Do you see
how quickly I'm like what it not a time, I'm
out the numbers, I'm out. Just take your word for it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Why did you let us know how many, Jamie?

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Don't we have something else coming up after that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Big brother? Oh yeah, we got our big brother around
the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Oh yeah, I'm all there for it. I mean I
meet my ten bot pis.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Yeah. I need to check out this weird show that
I keep sending you guys things. I gotta I just
I just need to look at it. I just need
to see an episode. I need to see what well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
I've got to watch it now because Mandy actually sent
me a message and demand.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
Its really way the first one we wanted to send us.
I was like, I don't even know why this would be.
But then the second one, I got to get out
of this house or whatever it is trying.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
To stop each other and I'm not a fast runner,
so I think I might have to do like that
one guy tight.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
In the drash can.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
I love the one guy that says, I just it
was like a thirty mistake because I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
Did you start watching that? But she's insisting just watching
it many I'm watching it. I don't know. It has
a good framework for a game, they have to tweak.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Some things for seconds, Edith, because it's like, why would
you ever. The premise is that somebody has a million dollars.
One of the players it puts.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
In they have these boxes, and one night they all
go to the room they're look in the box.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
The person has the million dollars is the millionaire, and
they have to do certain things.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
And stand detected.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
But they always get detected and they get voted out
and they're always trying to get rid of the money.
They wanted to go someone else too early in the
game for them to have the money, so it just
becomes this thing like if you have the money and
you have to ask sketchy, you lose and go home.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
You're losing. I don't know, it might be worth checking out.
There's all sorts of crazy, crazy shows. You know what's
great is that you can start them and go I
really love this, or you can just be like next
and move on to the next one.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
But if we started, we didn't know that was going
to be the thing. It was, yeah, try something.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Exactly, and I can promise all of you that if
we come across the show that we think is great,
and then we suggested to each other, and then we
all start really watching it. We're probably gonna end up
here talking about that show. So it's just kind of
how we work.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
We seem to have like similar things we like, so we.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Did we do ton to get excited about a lot
of the same things. I mean, none of us, none
of us are as excited as David is about a
side phony.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
You would, well, I feel the same way about a
side pony as as somebody have this podcast feels about
the Golden God.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
Who's that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
What are you talking about? Do you feel do you
feel side pony energy with the Golden God?

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
I think that you're I think that you're confusing that
with a twinkle.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Well the twinkle, the twinkle is the side.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Pony God does have a twinkle, Yes, so I have.
And the side to your side pony My things an
actual thing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Oh no, it's a thing. I bet you, I bet you,
I bet you. There's other guys. I bet there's like
a whole bunch of other guys. I bet there's a
bunch of morons on only fans paying the seaside bumpies.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
It's like its own can Is that a specific weird, weird.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
It up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
But Jamie totally knows what the twinkle is twink is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
She's like, yeah, yeah, I get the twinkle, you know, yeah,
you hear it. You can hear the twinkle too.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
It goes, yeah, it does, just like they get a
little thing on there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
That's usually the alert that said it's it actually sounds
kind of exactly like the same danger. Yeah, it's the
same ding that the red flag makes when it pops up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
But ooopsies, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
It's easy to get the two confuters.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Pull this puppy over because someone's getting a little.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
A little choppy. All right, guys, well it has been
a fantastic season. We love the show. We're going to
miss it, we always do, and we're going to be
so excited next winter when it's back on and we
can talk about it again. But as we said, there's
other things that we are going to be here for
before then. But thank you all so much for joining

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Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Out now many. Yeah, we're gonna have a lot. We're
gonna like media dump over the next week.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Yeah, especially when like when do you have like, Yeah,
we will them. It's gonna be filled with it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
And then we're gonna be back in June for a
coverage of Australia versus the World. Uh. And hopefully depending
on the schedule, we might get to have a few
guests visit us for some of our favorite Survivors. We
have a lot of Survivor fan working magic and we
might be able to pull some guests in to help
talk about that season, so don't miss that. And then

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of course we're going to be here for the new
season of Big Brother, all the coverage the last the
eye rolls that the show deserves because it doesn't it
does it, don't take it serious.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
You can find us here of course, but you can
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ninety four percent of the season was fantastic. It's been
a blast. I can't wait to check out Australia versus
the World and Big Brother and I'm gonna miss the
dickens out of you both until then. But for now
we need to say fare well and good night to
our lovely viewers, listeners and friends. So good night everybody
until we cross paths again.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
And a quick call out to Brian Hewitt and Chris
Kelly for our super cool music.