June 20, 2025 • 57 mins
Sebastian Creator of Polo One of the best Ham Radio Logger program for mobile apps.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come on, there we go. I quick shout out to
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
What is up?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
How are y'all doing? I am doing great. We're making
sure we got green over there, we got green over here.
We're all good to go. It's still seventy eight upstairs.
I started the ac lake to my dismay. But what
are gonna do? We're gonna have some fun tonight. We're
gonna have se Bastion on here. In a little bit.
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We're gonna be talking about Polo and asking all the
interesting questions about Polo and how it came to be.
I'm totally looking forward to it, and windows just drop me.
There we go. That's better. But I'm gonna need a trend,
some water a bit. He is running a little bit late,
and that's fine.
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Up.
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have not doing a newsletter because I got free time
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Speaker 3 (06:17):
Woo.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That's all I had as far as the preamble. But
just wait for a Sebastian to be joining us here
in a moment. He said it'd be about ten minutes late.
It's about that ten minutes time. FTA radio, send it,
do it here. We're getting someone, so I'm looking into it.
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I will probably be posting a link for the sign
up and through Google just get the email street going,
and I promise you, I promise you. Whatever service I
use for this, there will be an easy unsubscribe button
to remove yourself on the list because we get to
too many emails already these days. Douglas gave me a two,
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so that means he's gonna sign up twice. But something
else I really want to talk about. Why I have
a second here. Keep an eye on the channel. I
am humping out Neil from Youth on the Air program
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and they're about to have a Denver Youth Camp and
there's a previous live stream I talked about the youth
camp and they are still in need of support to
help cover some gaps that are coming up and they
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need your help. So I am trying so hard to
put together a fundraiser live stream and we're trying to
do that for Monday. If I can't get the YouTube
algorithm live stream magic to happen for I'm multitasking for
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to to to make it the live stream, there's still
gonna be something happened where you are still going to
be pointing over to the Youth on the Air page.
I'm gonna pull that up now. This window Youth on
the Air and they have a donate page that you
can go over there and help them bring in the
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youth there there. They do this pretty much all at costs.
There is a little bit of fees that they do
charge the kids, but it's minor, super minor compared to
the overall costs of them being there. Youth on the air.
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It helps a fight. Speak the words I type link
boom bam, there's in the chat we we well, definitely,
I really want to help them out, and I think
y'all really want to help them out. So I'm trying
to put together a live stream. It's probably going to
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be a lunchtime live stream tomorrow and depending on what
bricks fall, if we can get the fund the Google
fundraiser all going, we will do it. If not, we
will probably point you to the page and I might
do something special on that line. Let's go ahead and
scroll up a bit. I did see a lot of activity,
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Prep Pam Paul Man dropping, Come on, you can scroll.
Why aren't you scrolling? Prep Pam Paul where is it? Uh?
He gifted there there's a big one prep Pam. Paul
gifted twenty memberships to Tank Radio via YouTube. Thank you Paul,
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and thank y'all who received the memberships. That is awesome.
I thank you so much. And we got done received
one and pretty much everybody in the chat right now
because we're still building here. That is amazing. Y'all are awesome. Yeah,
holy crap, I I agree with that. That is awesome.
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And I got a Windows ding oh but it was muted,
so ha ha. Don't you get annoyed if you hear
Windows alert sounds when you're when you're watching some streams
and channels. I'm like, ha, I know what you forgot
to do. But yes, if you are able to now
and not wait till Monday, head over to the Youth
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on the Air site. You get inception double triple, quadruple Frank,
head over there and help them out. That would be
a very awesome support. And they're doing this to help
get kids interested in STEM and UH and and and
to promote hand radio to the use. Paul's like, there's
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twenty two people in the chat, pretty much thinks they
will cover them. That is that's funny Paul. That is awesome.
That's pretty much all the topics I had to tread on.
What what's going on with y'all? I'm I'm doing good.
I got a new Intendna. Actually I have two antennas.
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I have a new intended to me that I'm gonna
be needing to do a review on why is my
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and that'll be coming up. And then I was loaned
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I totally loved it. And as soon as I'm able to,
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The answer to that is the radios yezu ftd X
ten and the antenna. I got tons of antennas I am,
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but I really do love the infed halfwave antennas and
I use them because they're so easy to set up
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let's so we let me get that together. Boom boom, dual,
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Hey Sebastian, how you doing doing good doing good. Thank
you for joining. Man, It's okay, it happens, it happens.
You're with me, You're safe, and we're gonna have a
fun time. And plus Jason's not streaming today, so we
go as long as we want. Oh man. So uh Sebastian,
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you created Polo. It's one of the best hamming applications
out there. I'm going to rank it in my top two.
I can't choose, but right right now, let me just
say it's the fact my favorite logging applications the one
I kind of used the most recently. When I go
to activate and we were talking, was it over at
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Huntsville not Huntsville, I'm sorry, Dayton Ohio. Yeah, man, And
I was like, I gotta get you on a live stream.
I'm ashamed. I'm sorry I haven't done it already. So
so I kind of wanted to kick off the bat here.
Why why did you want to create a logging application?
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And create Polo.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Could actually log on a phone, which was great, but
Hammer's had a lot of little things that didn't work
for my operating style that would like drive me crazy
when I was operating. So like one day I said, like,
why not start doing my own Like, I had a
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bunch of ideas that I wanted to to see if
they would work, and decided to go build my own logger.
That was about a year and a half ago, in
the fall of yeah, fall of twenty three, and by
March I had a version of the app, the first
public version, and it's been a roller coaster since then,
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trying to make it better, to add features to I've
wanted followed to be an app that lets you do
more than one thing at a time. One thing that
bothered me about every other logger out there is that
you have to you're logging for one contest or one
PODU activity or one thing. But that's not how most
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people do radio, like the Sure if you're a super
competitive contester, you're gonna only work that the contest for
the weekend. But sometimes you're working that contest, but you
also want to see if there's any new DX you
haven't chased in that contest, or you're doing parts on
the air and you're doing summits on the air, or
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you're doing field Day and PODA at the same time.
So like I tried to build Poto Polo from the
ground up as a as a as a system that
would support multiple activities in a single operation, because that's
something that no other logo was.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Doing at the time. That was a big thing for me.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And I know you have been very responsive to feedback
about POLO and rapid updates and and tweaks to the application,
and I find that amazing, especially as a developer. I'm like,
you just fixed that. Yeah, yeah, I'll do that this weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I tried to do my best. Sometimes I do too much. Sadly,
one of like a few weeks ago, there was a
little bug that was bothering me, and I fixed it
and I pushed the release, but the release actually messed
up everything. About two hundred people have downloaded their release
by the time I realized it was broken. So I
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learned to not push updates on weekends. Now that's that's
a new rule.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I personally, I am a coder and I do love
doing projects and things. However, my rule is.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're saying the chat that they aren't getting any audio
from me.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Oh it's fixed, now, it's fixed, Okay, yeah, I fixed
it when when I started asking you questions. Yeah, as
a developer, I do have a rule, and this goes
to projects after ten thirty, I stopped, like I find
the most mistakes I make and then and could be
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the most troublesomes is after like ten thirty, I'm like,
I just want to keep going. I just want to
keep going, and and I just make stupid mistakes. And
also I can't shut my brain off. When I found
come to that stopping point, it's just it's I just
can't turn it off. And finally react to go to sleep.
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I actually in college, I had a nightmare where I
was running around and I was falling through the lines
of cold and trying to run across them, and then
the semi coleen was jumping after me. So after that night,
I have a ten thirty cutoff.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah. No, I tend to work. I used to be a.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Night owl when I was younger, but lately I worked
much better early in the morning. So for POLO, usually
what I do is like wake up a couple of hours,
Like I wake up at six or seven and put
a couple of hours in POLO before going onto the
day job.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But I hear what it's like, you got to know
when to stop.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And the funny thing is that the next day the
problems sold themselves that there there. You need to let
your brain brew and and distilay the problem on its own,
and you will see it right away the next day. Yeah,
it's let me feel yourself banging your head against the wall.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Just stop, go do something else.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Come back the next day if you can, and you
get a chance to kind of refresh and and and
and you stop that train of thought. And sometimes that's hard,
and you come back to it and you're more easily
able to evaluate the path and ask yourself the question
is this the right path to go down? And sometimes
you're like, oh, let's pivot over here, will fast and
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see if this works? And oh, looked it works. I
completely understand. So you release Polo for both Google and
iPhone applications.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yes, I wanted it to work on both platforms.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I use React Native, which is a framework that lets
me build a single code base that works in both.
It also runs on Max with the new sei looking
Apple Silicon processors. Is that that you run iPad apps
and and I'm working. I don't know how soon I'll
be able to push it out, but I'm working on
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a desktop version of Polo will run Windows Max and Linux.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I like this idea, yep, that's the that's coming soon.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And I London to highlight this point real fast. Polo,
even in the mobile stores, is completely free.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Polo is completely free as in beer and free as
in speech. As they say, it's open source, you can
you can build it yourself if you want. You can
contribute preferably. That's the the that's the intent of making
it open source. One reason I also made it open sources.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's a it's an it's a it's an insurance.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Policy against me getting tired on board of doing this
because it means that someone else can pick it up
and continue the project. It's like Paula will not be
abandoned even if I abandon it. There's there's enough people
contributing and getting to understand the code base that they
can they can keep Pola going even if I changed
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my mind and decide not to do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
All Right, we might be going too nitty gritty and
nerdy here, but I just opened up your GitHub. Polo
has already been fought fourteen times, Wow, and fifty seven stars.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, the fortunes people contributing and if you go on
the if on the pull request, stabs on the top.
There's a couple of things coming up that that came
from other people, including the ability to spot other operators.
Oh yeah, not just self spotting. That that I'm going
to merge it for the July release. Oh and work
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on TUSA party county list and rules. That's the the
I think that we have a couple of other things
coming on. I don't have many prs open. There's a
couple from last year that I need to to take
up again and get the contributors to see how to
do it correctly after some changes I did. But yeah, no,
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we got we got people contributing new features, people contributing
especially new types of activities like bunkers on the air
and castles on the air and all these things that
that I'm not into because I don't know, there's there's
not many bunkers of me.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So I'm gonna throw something at you.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Have you thought about trying and perfect I love it.
Have you thought about trying to create an engine, an
engine that will be able to create custom forms and
things so people can put together a template engine put
together a template to help you out, maybe to support
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certain templates that that you can approve the template and
so before put st out to everybody, but maybe some
type of template engine, so I can make a template
for like you said, bunkers on the air, so you
don't have to physically code each one, but after a
temples approved, it will show up in the drop down
menu lists.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So I've made it so that it's it's relatively easy
to code a new activity like that, like if you
want to do breweries on the air. It's not a simple.
The form part of it is actually easy. Gets complicated
is getting the list of references, like getting because a
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bunch of this one reason we don't have I think
it's bunkers on the air.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The worldwide support is.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
For example, the list of references is an Excel file
that has a separate tab for each country. Each one
of those tabs has those different formats and different columns
and different fields. If someone puts that into adjacent file
or a single CSV file, is fine, But we need
and then so I need to code in POLO the
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code that downloads the file puts it on our local
database that parses it that when when you're we need
to understand if the whatever activity lets you do multiple
like quota that lets you do the two first and
three first, but adding an adding a new program like
that to Polo, It's like I can do it in
a couple of hours. It doesn't take that much time.
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If the data is there somewhere, if it if it's not,
then I'm not touching it. It's like that somebody on
the program side has to create that clean database.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay, I I really do love using the app. Is
super simple to use it. I actually have it loaded
on my phone. It did it's not a gripe. But
it did take me a moment to figure out how
to export the logs.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, I knew you were going to go there, because
that's the biggest thing right now that I'm not too
happy with the how it works. One thing I'm trying
to figure out exactly how to do is come up
with a better life cycle for an operation. That's what
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you start your activation, You do your log, and there'll
be a button on the screen that you can press
to close the log to finish the activation. And when
that happens, I don't need to show you the log
entry form at the bottom. I can change that to
be your export or sink options for example, make it
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before when you before starting the operation. It'll use that
space to show you, like to prompt you to add
your part references and whatnot. Once you start and use
it just for logging, and then at the end use
it for sinking and exporting.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You don't have to.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It'll be like the actions you want to do will
all be in the same screen based on where you are,
whether you're starting, finishing, or in the middle of your activation.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
That's a better kind of idea than I had. I
was just going to suggest. You know, if you push
and hold or have the three dots on the logs
at the first screen, then you have an option to export,
so you can just go down export export, export, export.
Because if you're like me, I I just uploaded six
months worth of logs to parks on the air, because.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You do it, you do it once every six months,
quarterly upload pretty much. I mean in my dream is
that also the the buttons you would get when you
close your operation will basically be one button that says
sink that will submit to Poda automatically directly for you.
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That will push it to a club log if that's
your thing, or cure z that will push it to
your your desktop logger. If it's supported that will synk
it to the POLO, the ham to K cloud service.
That all will happen automatically instead of you having to
select the ad I FS and and and do multi
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step operation. Like if if we can automate that for you,
I'm gonna try to do.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It well well. First, the the websites have to have
a a PR that supports auto uploading.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Quota doesn't do yet.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It's it's been on the works for a while, but
there there there's I'm kind of waiting to see if
they do something to make my life easier. If not,
I'm gonna go the the hard way and try to
simulate the upload mm hmm through code.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Would love to.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Have that thing where you finish your activation, your press
one button and you get some some spinning wheel that
says submitting to Quota your good.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Now How I usually upload And I don't know if
this is just me because I'm unique and nerdy. When
I I save the logs, I save onto my Google Drive,
and then later I come home and then I go
to that folder and Google and I pull them all
and then I just drag and drop to the cloud.
(27:20):
Or you can do it from your phone you tell
it to go to a file and then you click
your drive and then it's all the whey.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
The Poda site doesn't let you upload from a phone normally,
but if you if you use.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Tell to use the desktop version and there's and it
shows up, you can do there's there's.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
The first time I was at a park and I
was able to upload the log as I was walking
back to my car, I felt like one of those
action movie scenes where there's an explosion behind the guy
and the guy keeps walking as if nothing happens.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Like it felt like, yes, I have I'm not even backing.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
The car and I've submitted to Poda and it's gone.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I really like how Polo has a lot of shortcut
and time saving stuff. So when when you are at
a park logging, and I mostly using it for PoTA activations,
and I know there's some features around Soda and some
of the other templates you already do support. But if
some gentleman says he's at a park, also, he's a
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park to park. So I hit the P two P
button and I don't have to type in US.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I just type in things I wanted to get rid of.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's just the number, and then from the call sign
you auto fill in US. However, a couple of times
it was Canada. I just put C a dash and
the application was happy enough to grab it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, if you put something, the application will take your
work for it. But also if the call sign was
a Canadian calls and it should have done Canada.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
For you, Yes, it did. I realized that last activation.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I saw that if you put an American call sign
and then you put slash V in will quickly show
the c A or I mean, and like any country,
if you will look at the calls. And there's a
lot of things that happen in Paulo that are based
on the call signs.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Sing if you.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
If you add if you're creating a new activation and
you go search for for the park.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I wish I could show you my screen and we
could walk through this.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't have that, Marri can I can run a
simulator here?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, let me do desktop sharing.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't have many. We'll see what wee can. That
was the wrong buddy, Let's see.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
All right, you should have the ability to share and
let me get the right screen here. Oh I'm upside down. No,
I'll fix it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So but you can see it there on the screen. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
So if I do a new operation and I think
the parks on the air, these are the parks that
are near me right now, it's on the famous yellow
dot on the database. If I want to use a park,
say I want to do a two for that happens
to be the appalation trail. I can search by name,
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and here's a palation trail.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
A lot of people would only let you search by nomber,
A lot of apps will only let you search by number.
Here you can enter appolation trail works, or if you
type a number, it will also filter by that number.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's pretty cool. But if I try here, for example trail,
all the results here are US parks.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
If I come here and change my call sign to
be K to the VE and I go change, there's
no parks nearby. But now I get trail from the
Canadian Parks database. Oh so, like the call sign you
enter in different places makes a big changes what the
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filters and the options you get are. And just like
what you were saying, if I if I enter, if
you press the P two P, you see the little
US grade out here. So if I enter the park number,
it shows it. I don't have to enter type the US.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And the other cool feature if he's like, I'm a
two four A three for after that, you just hit
a comma and then on our space will do it
then two nine ninety six and then and you just
keep going. That's my part number two nine nine six.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
If I hear enter echo off for one delta foxtrot,
you can see that it changed to ees for the reference.
So if I enter numbers now it'll be in a
Spanish a park in Spain.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
That's so cool. And another thing that happen is, for.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Example, if I go on the spots and here's a
good example, alpha delta zero alpha alpha. Erase this alpha
delta zero alpha alpha Bhoom, you see the product park number.
It came from the spot information.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I didn't have to enter it. It fetched it from
the spots.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
If they're being active in the last five minutes, it'll
use that park reference for you.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
The other feature I like is pretty much the same
thing from the spots. You can double click or select
a spot and it auto fields and everything for you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, you tap here and it.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Enters the park number, the frequency everything for you, and
I mean, you probably have noticed the the call sign
notes feature which highlights certain people like if I were
here to enter your call sign show up as tank radio.
You can even click here and start watching your videos
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in the middle of the activation.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That's awesome, very mad. I let me let me, in fact,
let me play the live in summer heat there. I
don't want to get the.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Ads YouTube doesn't I might as well profit from them.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
That list of call science I maintain and it's basically
all of the famous and not so famous YouTubers, TikTokers, instagrammers,
all of the volunteers behind poda and and summits on
the air and the world wildlife, flora and fauna, all
of the people in the polo community that that in
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the discordant forums that have been helpful, they get added there.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I did see, yeah, an activator or two, said the
polo supporter. I was like, oh, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, if let me change this, because I'm show almost
in all bands and see if we're find Look.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Brian is there, oh.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
He said, he's one of the biggest supporters of polo,
and it lets you you can build your own file
if you want to highlight calls that matter to you,
like say, your your local club members, your friends. If
you donate to Polo, you get by the fault, you
get this little coffee cup. It's a it's a way
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to recognize people that have given to Polo, to the community,
to the to the different programs. And let if you're
on the air and you find somebody is like you
can like we saw here, he's the PoTA. Bill is
a Poda Facebook mode. So you see that and say, hey, Bill,
thanks for your work with Quota. There's there's a bunch
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of volunteer people that serve a little thank you when
you when you're running to them. Yeah, and this is
a way of highlighting them.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's awesome. Yeah, and you put a couple of Easter
eggs in there. I got one, Jason has home and
Mike has one. I told you to make him a
sad hamp.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And like Paulo, it has a lot of legal details,
like hold on, this might not be let's see here
it is Michael Smith. It'll say that that the it's
a thousand miles to Wellington, Florida, but if I enter
a park number, it'll be the distance to the park,
not to his home. MM hmm, because now we know
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he's not at his home, so what's the point If
I mark him as portable, it will not show me
the distance because basically he just told me he does
that his cure set information is not relevant because he's
not at home. So there's a lot of little things
like that that that I try to add to the
the app that most of the time you won't even
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notice the app doing.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It, but so seamless and streamlined and it's right there.
I love it. I love it. And also self spotting. Yeah,
that feature alone, that is so awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And I don't know if you know, but you can.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You can do a lot of things like, for example,
you can change your frequency by coming here and entering
the frequency you're activating. You probably notice that the mode
change to SSB as soon as I change it. So
if i'm if I put the FT eight frequency mode
changes to ftaight automatically. If I go into the the
SSB band, it changes if I go into the set.
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So just by changing the frequency changes the mode for you.
You can change it back if you want for for
some reason. But you can also enter the frequency here
and pressing entry it will set it for you. So
most of the time you're activating, you have your hands
on the keyboard. You don't want to have to tap
on this control, tap here, enter the thing, and then
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tap it away. All you need to do here is
tart the frequency you want to go in.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
And if you're just just fine tuning around in the band,
you can instead of putting the entire frequency, you can
put period two three and it will go up a
little bit period two of five.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Same thing. Another thing I hate about all of the
login apps.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Now it's not that I hate loging Apple, but when
it happens to me, it bothers me is that you
have to enter the frequency in either megahars or kilohertz
or herts.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But it's not smart enough.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
So if I type fourteen hundred fourteen two zero zero,
change frequency to four point two hundred. If I tipe
fourteen point two zero zero, it's the same thing. There's
no ambiguity in frequencies on the amateur bands. That doesn't
let you figure out whether the period is meant to
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be megahirs or not. But I can do two hundred
point five and that will be fourteen two hundred point
five I can also change as quickly by putting forty.
If you want to keep it general like that, you
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enter the frequency and you want to sell spot yourself,
just start qrv oh with qus y or qRT and
you will do self spotting with that message.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I'm bad at the QRTE message.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
It's instead of instead of having to come here to
self spotting and entering data and press the button, you're
doing parts on the air and summits on the air.
It'll spot you to all the different services. So if
you if you have if I add a here summits
on the air, yeah, I know I Have'm not locked in.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Then the on a little spoiler, I'm adding support for
thirteen colonies.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I love that event.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Sales spotting.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Oh I'm not logging too sort of watch it's going
to take too long. But basically you will get a
little mountain here on both services with a single tap
or by typing qureb or cure t or whatever I've
been working on doing thirteen Colonies support. Will you get
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full checklists of the special stations you've worked and that
will work even across multiple activations and whatnot. That'll be
ready in time for for the first week of July,
I'm going to be operating as a Kilo two Alpha,
one of the New York operators. I did it last
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year and was a blast, and I'm doing it again
this year.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
How did you get that privilege.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
By asking nicely, by figuring out the program and just
volunteering and and that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I mean it probably held that I got some people
to to kind of like vouch for me, and like
I say, yes, it's part of the like the Hudson
Valley contesters and the extras contesting.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
He knows how to operate, the the.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The the credibility of of having other people vouch for
me help. But I don't know, depending on the state
they might have, your rules will be pick here.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
So that's that's awesome. Let me take a second here
to say thank you to Jason Kuilo Delta to Uniform,
Delta Romeo five dollars super chat. That is awesome, Thank
you very much. That's that's that's so cool. So you
already did a hint at thirty colonies support coming down
the line. Any other features you want to tease us with.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
There's there's so the there's three avenues. I've been working
on three things. The one I already mentioned, which is
the desktop version that's going to take the longest.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I think, what are you writing that in? Is that
also going to be React.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I'm going to be using reacts so I can share
a lot of the code. And the app is built.
Polo is built in a way that that's very modular.
The way I enbition it is kind of like a
VS code or think of this big editor that has
like a core shell functionality, and then it's a bunch
of extensions and plugins that let you do the special
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things you want to do. So those plugins, those extensions,
the code, the code that does PODA in Polo should
run on the desktop version without changes. No, it doesn't
right now, but that's the that's the objective, so that
whatever activ whatever contests, whatever special support we have, it
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should work on both the desktop and the mobile version
with the same code. So I'm using I'm probably gonna
use it. It's a system called torri t a U
r I, which is I don't know if you've heard
of an electron, which is a way of turning like
using web technologies to build desktop apps. There's a lot
(42:25):
of apps. The Discord client is built an Electron for example,
but Tori is a similar to Electron, but it's more lightweight.
So I'm going with that.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I love cross platform technology and applications. I wrote a
lot of code that cross compiled onto Linux on the
Windows onto not Mac Ian. We didn't have anything that
really targeted Mac and also real R toss systems, so
I understand the challenge in writing that code, and especially
(42:57):
for Guy's and other things. And to be honest, some
of these apps these days is very web based. So
like the the the desktop screen you're looking at is
a virtual a web browser.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It's a web browser.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, it'sally it is, so so I'm using that for
the for the desktop version.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Interesting other thing that's coming is a sync service.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
So that that you all the accuses you enter will
get synced to the cloud and you can access them
from any other phone with the same account.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Or desktop eventually down the line.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
And with the desktop and and maybe even like a
web viewer that lets you see your cuss there.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
It'll open up a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Are you're going to try to keep that free because
now you've got to maintain web space and database.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That one will probably be paid. I mean werhaps some
kind of free tier. I want people to be able,
especially to I don't want anyone, anyone to lose cues
like will I will, I will do something like let
you access the last seven days of CUSOs, so if
you lose your phone, you can get your accusas from
their sink service.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Something like that, but maybe maybe make it. It'll probably
be something between twenty or thirty dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's more, that's understandable. Yeah, and and and and to
maintain web services. And I can completely understand that, let's justified.
And then twenty dollars a year, that's not much. Have
you thought about? And I know this is I'm digging
at ther roadmap here, trying to support clubs and multiple
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users logging for a single event.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yes, law, So that one of the reasons that the
sink service is taking me so long to write is that,
of course I overcomplicated what I wanted to do, but
it's it's I want, I want to use the protocol
I'm using for sinking to let you share operations across
many users, so that you say you want to do
(45:06):
field day, the club president will pull up their phone,
the phone set up the operation there on Polo and
pick a many that says share operation that will show,
say a QR code on their screen. Someone else can
come capture the qure code with their own version of
Polo and now that activation, that that activity, that operation
(45:29):
will show up on their phones for this single event,
for the single event. Yeah, so anything they enter there
will be shared with everybody else. But the rest you
don't need to put their accounts or anything else. Like
each person has their own copy of Polo set up
with their own account, their own call sign.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And you can make the sink account to the the
main like a club account.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
And it sinks to the club account, then it sinks
to the cloud of the of the club account.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, and that'll be that. That's a goal. Sadly not
ready time.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
For this year's Fiel Day, yeah, but but definitely for
next years it will be there.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
That's our I love this idea and the streamless, the
the using the QR codes and yeah, that's really well
thought it. I was going with something completely different and
I was like, yes, I like that.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So the qure code and or or you can do
it so that if you're in the same network, for example,
they will discover that someone is sharing an operation in
that network and let you access it there. There's there's
a couple of ideas there to to fine tune, but
it's it's uh, it will be. That's one of the
dreams for me, like to to have people do field
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day as a club with multiple devices as easy as possible.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It's is the is the goal.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
And then the other third big venue of work, big
venue of work is cat control mm hmm. Connect to
your radio, control the frequency so that when you enter
the frequencies as I was doing in that in the
in the screen share earlier, it will change the frequency
on the radio. And if you use the spots and
your tab on a on a spot, it will change
(47:17):
the frequency on the radio. And if you change it
on the radio with the dial, then it will show
up and pull up nice.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I assume that's probably just going to be a desktop feature.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
No, No, that's going to be there on the on
the mobile version.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Right now. I want to do it so you can
for for for.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
The radios that have Bluetooth support, try to connect to
the radio directly m HM, or the radios that have cereal.
It probably is that the serial USB on iOS is
limited access that they don't. You don't have much access there.
Even the certain types of Bluetooth uh won't work. So
what we're doing is a little I thought I had
one here. It's basically a Raspberry Pie is zero running
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a little It's it's not too complicated. It's a little
application that does. It connects you connected to the serial
port on the radio and it offers a Bluetooth bridge
to Pollo using ham lib. So by using ham lib,
we we don't have to go into the details of
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how to control each different type of radios. There's thousands
of different radios and different protocols and Cereal or or whatnot.
So this will use ham lib to take care of that,
and you're connected through the radio and then that uses
Bluetooth to cut your phone. I already have the first
versions of that working on my development environment. I got
(48:52):
it to do to manage the frequency on a on
A seven or five using the the rich device, and
then once that that will be It would require people
to get their own Raspberry Pies. But this is like
a the zero is like less than thirty boxes. An
(49:12):
expensive thing.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Well, it's it's a little side thing, but especially if
you you can integrate handleb just to the desktop application
versions on the desk it yeaheah, so that that would
be beautiful to do. That's so cool. And I'm glad
you said hambleb. I was trying to think of that
library for something else the other day. I was like,
what is that? And I and I forgot to search it.
(49:38):
But now it got that up. That's so cool. If
y'all in the chat have any questions, go ahead and
ask them and I will go ahead and read them
here on the air, I get in the cat control
and doing it via Bluetooth. That's so cool. And direct
integration if you can, if they do support a Bluetooth
connection or like you said, and that bluetooth app on
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its own will probably be pretty cool on its own.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Where where can we find more information about Polo and
and and where's your buy me a Coffee button?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
The best place is Pollo dot ham to k dot com.
That's the official website that has the links to the
app stores so you can get it for your phone.
It has the links to the to the documentation, to
the forums and to buy me a coffee.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
If if you want to contribute to the project, and
lots of people have and it's been incredible to the
support the love we're getting from the community.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
M hm.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
I I like, I don't know if it will be
enough to cover the cost of the same service once
it starts working. But right now, all the I'm I'm
getting enough money to cover the cost of all the
services and expenses that I incur for for doing polo.
It's no no, I mean, I'm working. I work on polo,
but I don't know, ten to twenty hours a.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Week and top of the full time job.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yep, and know the pain I would.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
I mean, it'll be amazing if I could work on
polo full time. But it's like it's it's not there yet.
But but in the meantime, yeah, buy me a coffee.
Is the is a place to go. You can also
do it from inside the app if you go on
the settings. There's a bunch of button, like a nice
colorful button there you can It'll be like an in
(51:34):
app purchase, so you don't it's the fastest way to
do it if you if you don't want the inconvenience
of entering your credit card in a website.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
The the the.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
But like you said, the app, it's free it's it's
if you you can think of it as pay what
you want or or like I'd like to see it
as a tip based software development like I I.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
It is, it's free. You're part of a sport for free,
and if you're able to give give yourself a buyo
some coffee, Yeah, and I want have it.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
But also it's because I want I want people to
be able to use polar too. I don't want people
to have an excuse not to try Polo. I don't
want to put a price in front of it, and
I don't want I know that there's people who can't
afford five dollars in an app like that. I mean
there's people in retirement income doing radio as the thing
that makes them happy. I don't want to have to
ask them to pay for for Polo's like it's not
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a or people in like in many countries that are
not the US or Canada or England, five dollars is
a considerable amount. So it's like, no, just give me
what you want, including just a nice email saying thank you.
That's that's plenty. So like I don't, I don't I
don't want to put a toll booth in front of
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people using Polo.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I love it. I love it, but send me the
money if you're able to. It helps because you got
web pages, you got there is there's there's a fee
to go on to the Apple Store. Does Google have
a fee?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, Google has a like it's it's cheaper. I think
it's twenty five dollars. Uh, and it's those the Apple
Store is about one hundred a year. It's not that
it's it's something, it's affordable. It's not the biggest of
the expenses.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Then yeah, then there's domain there's there's tons of little
costs that they It does build up because I got
websites too and things, and yeah, yeah, it builds up.
I haven't seen any questions here from the chat, so
I think we covered pretty much everything. Sebastian, this this
has been fun. I appreciate you coming on and uh
(53:51):
sharing their time with us and showing us the awesomeness
of Polo.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
No love love doing it. And yes it's it's been
a while since we talked about doing this, and I'm
glad to finally have been on your channel anytime.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
So you have my email address now, so if anything
comes up you want a new feature, you're about to
drop and you want to come on and shout it
from the mountain. Well, my small little hill, hit me up,
and I love to have you.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
I hope you have you.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
I hope you have some some progress on the cat
control soon and then windows most likely.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yes, I love everything about this. Then we'll we'll we
will follow up next year about the club service sink,
because that that's a that's a cool.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
I hope, I hope it'll It'll come out just as
good as I'm envisioning it.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
I know who's going to be happy for that, Mike.
Mike hates doing the desktop and three f JP sink.
Every every year we do it, and it can be
a pain in the butt.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Again, Yes, that's one of the reasons why I want
to do it, not just for Mike. For me, like
setting off multi logging for for a field day, has
always been.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh, I got I gotta share this, Paul has I
gotta put these in a web window. They were talking
in the beginning, Come on, show me in a where's
the brow to to pop up? Open link? There we go,
(55:33):
open link one more and welcome to take radio. This
one talks no way Okay, Okay, okay, so this op
screw I'm sharing. Discord got a click over here. Thank
(55:54):
you for letting me tread water. Discord, Paul made me
Tank Radio baby, and then we got another one and
finally welcome. He's talking and today I'm gonna show you
(56:15):
my field day experience. Play that. That's awesome. I'm saving those, Paul,
I'm saving those. All right, man, hang out for a second.
Let me wrap this up for us. Thank y'all for watching.
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
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How are y'all doing? I am doing great. We're making
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We're all good to go. It's still seventy eight upstairs.
I started the ac lake to my dismay. But what
are gonna do? We're gonna have some fun tonight. We're
gonna have se Bastion on here. In a little bit.
(01:05):
We're gonna be talking about Polo and asking all the
interesting questions about Polo and how it came to be.
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That's all I had as far as the preamble. But
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(09:31):
Prep Pam Paul Man dropping, Come on, you can scroll.
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That's pretty much all the topics I had to tread on.
What what's going on with y'all? I'm I'm doing good.
I got a new Intendna. Actually I have two antennas.
(11:23):
I have a new intended to me that I'm gonna
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and that'll be coming up. And then I was loaned
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I totally loved it. And as soon as I'm able to,
I will be picking up a a pack intenda. Sean asks, uh,
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The answer to that is the radios yezu ftd X
ten and the antenna. I got tons of antennas I am,
(12:12):
but I really do love the infed halfwave antennas and
I use them because they're so easy to set up
and on a poda and I love it. All right,
let's so we let me get that together. Boom boom, dual,
(12:32):
Hey Sebastian, how you doing doing good doing good. Thank
you for joining. Man, It's okay, it happens, it happens.
You're with me, You're safe, and we're gonna have a
fun time. And plus Jason's not streaming today, so we
go as long as we want. Oh man. So uh Sebastian,
(12:58):
you created Polo. It's one of the best hamming applications
out there. I'm going to rank it in my top two.
I can't choose, but right right now, let me just
say it's the fact my favorite logging applications the one
I kind of used the most recently. When I go
to activate and we were talking, was it over at
(13:20):
Huntsville not Huntsville, I'm sorry, Dayton Ohio. Yeah, man, And
I was like, I gotta get you on a live stream.
I'm ashamed. I'm sorry I haven't done it already. So
so I kind of wanted to kick off the bat here.
Why why did you want to create a logging application?
(13:42):
And create Polo.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Could actually log on a phone, which was great, but
Hammer's had a lot of little things that didn't work
for my operating style that would like drive me crazy
when I was operating. So like one day I said, like,
why not start doing my own Like, I had a
(14:03):
bunch of ideas that I wanted to to see if
they would work, and decided to go build my own logger.
That was about a year and a half ago, in
the fall of yeah, fall of twenty three, and by
March I had a version of the app, the first
public version, and it's been a roller coaster since then,
(14:26):
trying to make it better, to add features to I've
wanted followed to be an app that lets you do
more than one thing at a time. One thing that
bothered me about every other logger out there is that
you have to you're logging for one contest or one
PODU activity or one thing. But that's not how most
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people do radio, like the Sure if you're a super
competitive contester, you're gonna only work that the contest for
the weekend. But sometimes you're working that contest, but you
also want to see if there's any new DX you
haven't chased in that contest, or you're doing parts on
the air and you're doing summits on the air, or
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you're doing field Day and PODA at the same time.
So like I tried to build Poto Polo from the
ground up as a as a as a system that
would support multiple activities in a single operation, because that's
something that no other logo was.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Doing at the time. That was a big thing for me.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And I know you have been very responsive to feedback
about POLO and rapid updates and and tweaks to the application,
and I find that amazing, especially as a developer. I'm like,
you just fixed that. Yeah, yeah, I'll do that this weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I tried to do my best. Sometimes I do too much. Sadly,
one of like a few weeks ago, there was a
little bug that was bothering me, and I fixed it
and I pushed the release, but the release actually messed
up everything. About two hundred people have downloaded their release
by the time I realized it was broken. So I
(16:11):
learned to not push updates on weekends. Now that's that's
a new rule.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I personally, I am a coder and I do love
doing projects and things. However, my rule is.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're saying the chat that they aren't getting any audio
from me.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Oh it's fixed, now, it's fixed, Okay, yeah, I fixed
it when when I started asking you questions. Yeah, as
a developer, I do have a rule, and this goes
to projects after ten thirty, I stopped, like I find
the most mistakes I make and then and could be
(16:47):
the most troublesomes is after like ten thirty, I'm like,
I just want to keep going. I just want to
keep going, and and I just make stupid mistakes. And
also I can't shut my brain off. When I found
come to that stopping point, it's just it's I just
can't turn it off. And finally react to go to sleep.
(17:08):
I actually in college, I had a nightmare where I
was running around and I was falling through the lines
of cold and trying to run across them, and then
the semi coleen was jumping after me. So after that night,
I have a ten thirty cutoff.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah. No, I tend to work. I used to be a.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Night owl when I was younger, but lately I worked
much better early in the morning. So for POLO, usually
what I do is like wake up a couple of hours,
Like I wake up at six or seven and put
a couple of hours in POLO before going onto the
day job.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But I hear what it's like, you got to know
when to stop.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And the funny thing is that the next day the
problems sold themselves that there there. You need to let
your brain brew and and distilay the problem on its own,
and you will see it right away the next day. Yeah,
it's let me feel yourself banging your head against the wall.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Just stop, go do something else.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Come back the next day if you can, and you
get a chance to kind of refresh and and and
and you stop that train of thought. And sometimes that's hard,
and you come back to it and you're more easily
able to evaluate the path and ask yourself the question
is this the right path to go down? And sometimes
you're like, oh, let's pivot over here, will fast and
(18:33):
see if this works? And oh, looked it works. I
completely understand. So you release Polo for both Google and
iPhone applications.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yes, I wanted it to work on both platforms.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I use React Native, which is a framework that lets
me build a single code base that works in both.
It also runs on Max with the new sei looking
Apple Silicon processors. Is that that you run iPad apps
and and I'm working. I don't know how soon I'll
be able to push it out, but I'm working on
(19:09):
a desktop version of Polo will run Windows Max and Linux.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I like this idea, yep, that's the that's coming soon.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And I London to highlight this point real fast. Polo,
even in the mobile stores, is completely free.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Polo is completely free as in beer and free as
in speech. As they say, it's open source, you can
you can build it yourself if you want. You can
contribute preferably. That's the the that's the intent of making
it open source. One reason I also made it open sources.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's a it's an it's a it's an insurance.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Policy against me getting tired on board of doing this
because it means that someone else can pick it up
and continue the project. It's like Paula will not be
abandoned even if I abandon it. There's there's enough people
contributing and getting to understand the code base that they
can they can keep Pola going even if I changed
(20:13):
my mind and decide not to do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
All Right, we might be going too nitty gritty and
nerdy here, but I just opened up your GitHub. Polo
has already been fought fourteen times, Wow, and fifty seven stars.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, the fortunes people contributing and if you go on
the if on the pull request, stabs on the top.
There's a couple of things coming up that that came
from other people, including the ability to spot other operators.
Oh yeah, not just self spotting. That that I'm going
to merge it for the July release. Oh and work
(20:52):
on TUSA party county list and rules. That's the the
I think that we have a couple of other things
coming on. I don't have many prs open. There's a
couple from last year that I need to to take
up again and get the contributors to see how to
do it correctly after some changes I did. But yeah, no,
(21:14):
we got we got people contributing new features, people contributing
especially new types of activities like bunkers on the air
and castles on the air and all these things that
that I'm not into because I don't know, there's there's
not many bunkers of me.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So I'm gonna throw something at you.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Have you thought about trying and perfect I love it.
Have you thought about trying to create an engine, an
engine that will be able to create custom forms and
things so people can put together a template engine put
together a template to help you out, maybe to support
(21:55):
certain templates that that you can approve the template and
so before put st out to everybody, but maybe some
type of template engine, so I can make a template
for like you said, bunkers on the air, so you
don't have to physically code each one, but after a
temples approved, it will show up in the drop down
menu lists.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So I've made it so that it's it's relatively easy
to code a new activity like that, like if you
want to do breweries on the air. It's not a simple.
The form part of it is actually easy. Gets complicated
is getting the list of references, like getting because a
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bunch of this one reason we don't have I think
it's bunkers on the air.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The worldwide support is.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
For example, the list of references is an Excel file
that has a separate tab for each country. Each one
of those tabs has those different formats and different columns
and different fields. If someone puts that into adjacent file
or a single CSV file, is fine, But we need
and then so I need to code in POLO the
(23:05):
code that downloads the file puts it on our local
database that parses it that when when you're we need
to understand if the whatever activity lets you do multiple
like quota that lets you do the two first and
three first, but adding an adding a new program like
that to Polo, It's like I can do it in
a couple of hours. It doesn't take that much time.
(23:28):
If the data is there somewhere, if it if it's not,
then I'm not touching it. It's like that somebody on
the program side has to create that clean database.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay, I I really do love using the app. Is
super simple to use it. I actually have it loaded
on my phone. It did it's not a gripe. But
it did take me a moment to figure out how
to export the logs.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, I knew you were going to go there, because
that's the biggest thing right now that I'm not too
happy with the how it works. One thing I'm trying
to figure out exactly how to do is come up
with a better life cycle for an operation. That's what
(24:24):
you start your activation, You do your log, and there'll
be a button on the screen that you can press
to close the log to finish the activation. And when
that happens, I don't need to show you the log
entry form at the bottom. I can change that to
be your export or sink options for example, make it
(24:46):
before when you before starting the operation. It'll use that
space to show you, like to prompt you to add
your part references and whatnot. Once you start and use
it just for logging, and then at the end use
it for sinking and exporting.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You don't have to.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It'll be like the actions you want to do will
all be in the same screen based on where you are,
whether you're starting, finishing, or in the middle of your activation.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
That's a better kind of idea than I had. I
was just going to suggest. You know, if you push
and hold or have the three dots on the logs
at the first screen, then you have an option to export,
so you can just go down export export, export, export.
Because if you're like me, I I just uploaded six
months worth of logs to parks on the air, because.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You do it, you do it once every six months,
quarterly upload pretty much. I mean in my dream is
that also the the buttons you would get when you
close your operation will basically be one button that says
sink that will submit to Poda automatically directly for you.
(25:57):
That will push it to a club log if that's
your thing, or cure z that will push it to
your your desktop logger. If it's supported that will synk
it to the POLO, the ham to K cloud service.
That all will happen automatically instead of you having to
select the ad I FS and and and do multi
(26:18):
step operation. Like if if we can automate that for you,
I'm gonna try to do.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It well well. First, the the websites have to have
a a PR that supports auto uploading.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Quota doesn't do yet.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It's it's been on the works for a while, but
there there there's I'm kind of waiting to see if
they do something to make my life easier. If not,
I'm gonna go the the hard way and try to
simulate the upload mm hmm through code.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Would love to.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Have that thing where you finish your activation, your press
one button and you get some some spinning wheel that
says submitting to Quota your good.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Now How I usually upload And I don't know if
this is just me because I'm unique and nerdy. When
I I save the logs, I save onto my Google Drive,
and then later I come home and then I go
to that folder and Google and I pull them all
and then I just drag and drop to the cloud.
(27:20):
Or you can do it from your phone you tell
it to go to a file and then you click
your drive and then it's all the whey.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
The Poda site doesn't let you upload from a phone normally,
but if you if you use.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Tell to use the desktop version and there's and it
shows up, you can do there's there's.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
The first time I was at a park and I
was able to upload the log as I was walking
back to my car, I felt like one of those
action movie scenes where there's an explosion behind the guy
and the guy keeps walking as if nothing happens.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Like it felt like, yes, I have I'm not even backing.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
The car and I've submitted to Poda and it's gone.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I really like how Polo has a lot of shortcut
and time saving stuff. So when when you are at
a park logging, and I mostly using it for PoTA activations,
and I know there's some features around Soda and some
of the other templates you already do support. But if
some gentleman says he's at a park, also, he's a
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park to park. So I hit the P two P
button and I don't have to type in US.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I just type in things I wanted to get rid of.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's just the number, and then from the call sign
you auto fill in US. However, a couple of times
it was Canada. I just put C a dash and
the application was happy enough to grab it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, if you put something, the application will take your
work for it. But also if the call sign was
a Canadian calls and it should have done Canada.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
For you, Yes, it did. I realized that last activation.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I saw that if you put an American call sign
and then you put slash V in will quickly show
the c A or I mean, and like any country,
if you will look at the calls. And there's a
lot of things that happen in Paulo that are based
on the call signs.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Sing if you.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
If you add if you're creating a new activation and
you go search for for the park.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I wish I could show you my screen and we
could walk through this.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't have that, Marri can I can run a
simulator here?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, let me do desktop sharing.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't have many. We'll see what wee can. That
was the wrong buddy, Let's see.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
All right, you should have the ability to share and
let me get the right screen here. Oh I'm upside down. No,
I'll fix it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So but you can see it there on the screen. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
So if I do a new operation and I think
the parks on the air, these are the parks that
are near me right now, it's on the famous yellow
dot on the database. If I want to use a park,
say I want to do a two for that happens
to be the appalation trail. I can search by name,
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and here's a palation trail.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
A lot of people would only let you search by nomber,
A lot of apps will only let you search by number.
Here you can enter appolation trail works, or if you
type a number, it will also filter by that number.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's pretty cool. But if I try here, for example trail,
all the results here are US parks.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
If I come here and change my call sign to
be K to the VE and I go change, there's
no parks nearby. But now I get trail from the
Canadian Parks database. Oh so, like the call sign you
enter in different places makes a big changes what the
(31:08):
filters and the options you get are. And just like
what you were saying, if I if I enter, if
you press the P two P, you see the little
US grade out here. So if I enter the park number,
it shows it. I don't have to enter type the US.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And the other cool feature if he's like, I'm a
two four A three for after that, you just hit
a comma and then on our space will do it
then two nine ninety six and then and you just
keep going. That's my part number two nine nine six.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
If I hear enter echo off for one delta foxtrot,
you can see that it changed to ees for the reference.
So if I enter numbers now it'll be in a
Spanish a park in Spain.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
That's so cool. And another thing that happen is, for.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Example, if I go on the spots and here's a
good example, alpha delta zero alpha alpha. Erase this alpha
delta zero alpha alpha Bhoom, you see the product park number.
It came from the spot information.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I didn't have to enter it. It fetched it from
the spots.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
If they're being active in the last five minutes, it'll
use that park reference for you.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
The other feature I like is pretty much the same
thing from the spots. You can double click or select
a spot and it auto fields and everything for you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, you tap here and it.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Enters the park number, the frequency everything for you, and
I mean, you probably have noticed the the call sign
notes feature which highlights certain people like if I were
here to enter your call sign show up as tank radio.
You can even click here and start watching your videos
(33:00):
in the middle of the activation.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That's awesome, very mad. I let me let me, in fact,
let me play the live in summer heat there. I
don't want to get the.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Ads YouTube doesn't I might as well profit from them.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
That list of call science I maintain and it's basically
all of the famous and not so famous YouTubers, TikTokers, instagrammers,
all of the volunteers behind poda and and summits on
the air and the world wildlife, flora and fauna, all
of the people in the polo community that that in
(33:42):
the discordant forums that have been helpful, they get added there.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I did see, yeah, an activator or two, said the
polo supporter. I was like, oh, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, if let me change this, because I'm show almost
in all bands and see if we're find Look.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Brian is there, oh.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
He said, he's one of the biggest supporters of polo,
and it lets you you can build your own file
if you want to highlight calls that matter to you,
like say, your your local club members, your friends. If
you donate to Polo, you get by the fault, you
get this little coffee cup. It's a it's a way
(34:28):
to recognize people that have given to Polo, to the community,
to the to the different programs. And let if you're
on the air and you find somebody is like you
can like we saw here, he's the PoTA. Bill is
a Poda Facebook mode. So you see that and say, hey, Bill,
thanks for your work with Quota. There's there's a bunch
(34:49):
of volunteer people that serve a little thank you when
you when you're running to them. Yeah, and this is
a way of highlighting them.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's awesome. Yeah, and you put a couple of Easter
eggs in there. I got one, Jason has home and
Mike has one. I told you to make him a
sad hamp.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And like Paulo, it has a lot of legal details,
like hold on, this might not be let's see here
it is Michael Smith. It'll say that that the it's
a thousand miles to Wellington, Florida, but if I enter
a park number, it'll be the distance to the park,
not to his home. MM hmm, because now we know
(35:32):
he's not at his home, so what's the point If
I mark him as portable, it will not show me
the distance because basically he just told me he does
that his cure set information is not relevant because he's
not at home. So there's a lot of little things
like that that that I try to add to the
the app that most of the time you won't even
(35:53):
notice the app doing.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It, but so seamless and streamlined and it's right there.
I love it. I love it. And also self spotting. Yeah,
that feature alone, that is so awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And I don't know if you know, but you can.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You can do a lot of things like, for example,
you can change your frequency by coming here and entering
the frequency you're activating. You probably notice that the mode
change to SSB as soon as I change it. So
if i'm if I put the FT eight frequency mode
changes to ftaight automatically. If I go into the the
SSB band, it changes if I go into the set.
(36:32):
So just by changing the frequency changes the mode for you.
You can change it back if you want for for
some reason. But you can also enter the frequency here
and pressing entry it will set it for you. So
most of the time you're activating, you have your hands
on the keyboard. You don't want to have to tap
on this control, tap here, enter the thing, and then
(36:54):
tap it away. All you need to do here is
tart the frequency you want to go in.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
And if you're just just fine tuning around in the band,
you can instead of putting the entire frequency, you can
put period two three and it will go up a
little bit period two of five.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Same thing. Another thing I hate about all of the
login apps.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Now it's not that I hate loging Apple, but when
it happens to me, it bothers me is that you
have to enter the frequency in either megahars or kilohertz
or herts.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But it's not smart enough.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
So if I type fourteen hundred fourteen two zero zero,
change frequency to four point two hundred. If I tipe
fourteen point two zero zero, it's the same thing. There's
no ambiguity in frequencies on the amateur bands. That doesn't
let you figure out whether the period is meant to
(37:51):
be megahirs or not. But I can do two hundred
point five and that will be fourteen two hundred point
five I can also change as quickly by putting forty.
If you want to keep it general like that, you
(38:14):
enter the frequency and you want to sell spot yourself,
just start qrv oh with qus y or qRT and
you will do self spotting with that message.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I'm bad at the QRTE message.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
It's instead of instead of having to come here to
self spotting and entering data and press the button, you're
doing parts on the air and summits on the air.
It'll spot you to all the different services. So if
you if you have if I add a here summits
on the air, yeah, I know I Have'm not locked in.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Then the on a little spoiler, I'm adding support for
thirteen colonies.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I love that event.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Sales spotting.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Oh I'm not logging too sort of watch it's going
to take too long. But basically you will get a
little mountain here on both services with a single tap
or by typing qureb or cure t or whatever I've
been working on doing thirteen Colonies support. Will you get
(39:32):
full checklists of the special stations you've worked and that
will work even across multiple activations and whatnot. That'll be
ready in time for for the first week of July,
I'm going to be operating as a Kilo two Alpha,
one of the New York operators. I did it last
(39:53):
year and was a blast, and I'm doing it again
this year.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
How did you get that privilege.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
By asking nicely, by figuring out the program and just
volunteering and and that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I mean it probably held that I got some people
to to kind of like vouch for me, and like
I say, yes, it's part of the like the Hudson
Valley contesters and the extras contesting.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
He knows how to operate, the the.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The the credibility of of having other people vouch for
me help. But I don't know, depending on the state
they might have, your rules will be pick here.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
So that's that's awesome. Let me take a second here
to say thank you to Jason Kuilo Delta to Uniform,
Delta Romeo five dollars super chat. That is awesome, Thank
you very much. That's that's that's so cool. So you
already did a hint at thirty colonies support coming down
the line. Any other features you want to tease us with.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
There's there's so the there's three avenues. I've been working
on three things. The one I already mentioned, which is
the desktop version that's going to take the longest.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I think, what are you writing that in? Is that
also going to be React.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I'm going to be using reacts so I can share
a lot of the code. And the app is built.
Polo is built in a way that that's very modular.
The way I enbition it is kind of like a
VS code or think of this big editor that has
like a core shell functionality, and then it's a bunch
of extensions and plugins that let you do the special
(41:42):
things you want to do. So those plugins, those extensions,
the code, the code that does PODA in Polo should
run on the desktop version without changes. No, it doesn't
right now, but that's the that's the objective, so that
whatever activ whatever contests, whatever special support we have, it
(42:04):
should work on both the desktop and the mobile version
with the same code. So I'm using I'm probably gonna
use it. It's a system called torri t a U
r I, which is I don't know if you've heard
of an electron, which is a way of turning like
using web technologies to build desktop apps. There's a lot
(42:25):
of apps. The Discord client is built an Electron for example,
but Tori is a similar to Electron, but it's more lightweight.
So I'm going with that.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I love cross platform technology and applications. I wrote a
lot of code that cross compiled onto Linux on the
Windows onto not Mac Ian. We didn't have anything that
really targeted Mac and also real R toss systems, so
I understand the challenge in writing that code, and especially
(42:57):
for Guy's and other things. And to be honest, some
of these apps these days is very web based. So
like the the the desktop screen you're looking at is
a virtual a web browser.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It's a web browser.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, it'sally it is, so so I'm using that for
the for the desktop version.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Interesting other thing that's coming is a sync service.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
So that that you all the accuses you enter will
get synced to the cloud and you can access them
from any other phone with the same account.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Or desktop eventually down the line.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
And with the desktop and and maybe even like a
web viewer that lets you see your cuss there.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
It'll open up a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Are you're going to try to keep that free because
now you've got to maintain web space and database.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That one will probably be paid. I mean werhaps some
kind of free tier. I want people to be able,
especially to I don't want anyone, anyone to lose cues
like will I will, I will do something like let
you access the last seven days of CUSOs, so if
you lose your phone, you can get your accusas from
their sink service.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Something like that, but maybe maybe make it. It'll probably
be something between twenty or thirty dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's more, that's understandable. Yeah, and and and and to
maintain web services. And I can completely understand that, let's justified.
And then twenty dollars a year, that's not much. Have
you thought about? And I know this is I'm digging
at ther roadmap here, trying to support clubs and multiple
(44:39):
users logging for a single event.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yes, law, So that one of the reasons that the
sink service is taking me so long to write is that,
of course I overcomplicated what I wanted to do, but
it's it's I want, I want to use the protocol
I'm using for sinking to let you share operations across
many users, so that you say you want to do
(45:06):
field day, the club president will pull up their phone,
the phone set up the operation there on Polo and
pick a many that says share operation that will show,
say a QR code on their screen. Someone else can
come capture the qure code with their own version of
Polo and now that activation, that that activity, that operation
(45:29):
will show up on their phones for this single event,
for the single event. Yeah, so anything they enter there
will be shared with everybody else. But the rest you
don't need to put their accounts or anything else. Like
each person has their own copy of Polo set up
with their own account, their own call sign.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And you can make the sink account to the the
main like a club account.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
And it sinks to the club account, then it sinks
to the cloud of the of the club account.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, and that'll be that. That's a goal. Sadly not
ready time.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
For this year's Fiel Day, yeah, but but definitely for
next years it will be there.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
That's our I love this idea and the streamless, the
the using the QR codes and yeah, that's really well
thought it. I was going with something completely different and
I was like, yes, I like that.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So the qure code and or or you can do
it so that if you're in the same network, for example,
they will discover that someone is sharing an operation in
that network and let you access it there. There's there's
a couple of ideas there to to fine tune, but
it's it's uh, it will be. That's one of the
dreams for me, like to to have people do field
(46:47):
day as a club with multiple devices as easy as possible.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It's is the is the goal.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
And then the other third big venue of work, big
venue of work is cat control mm hmm. Connect to
your radio, control the frequency so that when you enter
the frequencies as I was doing in that in the
in the screen share earlier, it will change the frequency
on the radio. And if you use the spots and
your tab on a on a spot, it will change
(47:17):
the frequency on the radio. And if you change it
on the radio with the dial, then it will show
up and pull up nice.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I assume that's probably just going to be a desktop feature.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
No, No, that's going to be there on the on
the mobile version.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Right now. I want to do it so you can
for for for.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
The radios that have Bluetooth support, try to connect to
the radio directly m HM, or the radios that have cereal.
It probably is that the serial USB on iOS is
limited access that they don't. You don't have much access there.
Even the certain types of Bluetooth uh won't work. So
what we're doing is a little I thought I had
one here. It's basically a Raspberry Pie is zero running
(48:02):
a little It's it's not too complicated. It's a little
application that does. It connects you connected to the serial
port on the radio and it offers a Bluetooth bridge
to Pollo using ham lib. So by using ham lib,
we we don't have to go into the details of
(48:26):
how to control each different type of radios. There's thousands
of different radios and different protocols and Cereal or or whatnot.
So this will use ham lib to take care of that,
and you're connected through the radio and then that uses
Bluetooth to cut your phone. I already have the first
versions of that working on my development environment. I got
(48:52):
it to do to manage the frequency on a on
A seven or five using the the rich device, and
then once that that will be It would require people
to get their own Raspberry Pies. But this is like
a the zero is like less than thirty boxes. An
(49:12):
expensive thing.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Well, it's it's a little side thing, but especially if
you you can integrate handleb just to the desktop application
versions on the desk it yeaheah, so that that would
be beautiful to do. That's so cool. And I'm glad
you said hambleb. I was trying to think of that
library for something else the other day. I was like,
what is that? And I and I forgot to search it.
(49:38):
But now it got that up. That's so cool. If
y'all in the chat have any questions, go ahead and
ask them and I will go ahead and read them
here on the air, I get in the cat control
and doing it via Bluetooth. That's so cool. And direct
integration if you can, if they do support a Bluetooth
connection or like you said, and that bluetooth app on
(50:03):
its own will probably be pretty cool on its own.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Where where can we find more information about Polo and
and and where's your buy me a Coffee button?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
The best place is Pollo dot ham to k dot com.
That's the official website that has the links to the
app stores so you can get it for your phone.
It has the links to the to the documentation, to
the forums and to buy me a coffee.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
If if you want to contribute to the project, and
lots of people have and it's been incredible to the
support the love we're getting from the community.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
M hm.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
I I like, I don't know if it will be
enough to cover the cost of the same service once
it starts working. But right now, all the I'm I'm
getting enough money to cover the cost of all the
services and expenses that I incur for for doing polo.
It's no no, I mean, I'm working. I work on polo,
but I don't know, ten to twenty hours a.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Week and top of the full time job.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yep, and know the pain I would.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
I mean, it'll be amazing if I could work on
polo full time. But it's like it's it's not there yet.
But but in the meantime, yeah, buy me a coffee.
Is the is a place to go. You can also
do it from inside the app if you go on
the settings. There's a bunch of button, like a nice
colorful button there you can It'll be like an in
(51:34):
app purchase, so you don't it's the fastest way to
do it if you if you don't want the inconvenience
of entering your credit card in a website.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
The the the.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
But like you said, the app, it's free it's it's
if you you can think of it as pay what
you want or or like I'd like to see it
as a tip based software development like I I.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
It is, it's free. You're part of a sport for free,
and if you're able to give give yourself a buyo
some coffee, Yeah, and I want have it.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
But also it's because I want I want people to
be able to use polar too. I don't want people
to have an excuse not to try Polo. I don't
want to put a price in front of it, and
I don't want I know that there's people who can't
afford five dollars in an app like that. I mean
there's people in retirement income doing radio as the thing
that makes them happy. I don't want to have to
ask them to pay for for Polo's like it's not
(52:36):
a or people in like in many countries that are
not the US or Canada or England, five dollars is
a considerable amount. So it's like, no, just give me
what you want, including just a nice email saying thank you.
That's that's plenty. So like I don't, I don't I
don't want to put a toll booth in front of
(52:56):
people using Polo.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I love it. I love it, but send me the
money if you're able to. It helps because you got
web pages, you got there is there's there's a fee
to go on to the Apple Store. Does Google have
a fee?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, Google has a like it's it's cheaper. I think
it's twenty five dollars. Uh, and it's those the Apple
Store is about one hundred a year. It's not that
it's it's something, it's affordable. It's not the biggest of
the expenses.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Then yeah, then there's domain there's there's tons of little
costs that they It does build up because I got
websites too and things, and yeah, yeah, it builds up.
I haven't seen any questions here from the chat, so
I think we covered pretty much everything. Sebastian, this this
has been fun. I appreciate you coming on and uh
(53:51):
sharing their time with us and showing us the awesomeness
of Polo.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
No love love doing it. And yes it's it's been
a while since we talked about doing this, and I'm
glad to finally have been on your channel anytime.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
So you have my email address now, so if anything
comes up you want a new feature, you're about to
drop and you want to come on and shout it
from the mountain. Well, my small little hill, hit me up,
and I love to have you.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
I hope you have you.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
I hope you have some some progress on the cat
control soon and then windows most likely.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yes, I love everything about this. Then we'll we'll we
will follow up next year about the club service sink,
because that that's a that's a cool.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
I hope, I hope it'll It'll come out just as
good as I'm envisioning it.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
I know who's going to be happy for that, Mike.
Mike hates doing the desktop and three f JP sink.
Every every year we do it, and it can be
a pain in the butt.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Again, Yes, that's one of the reasons why I want
to do it, not just for Mike. For me, like
setting off multi logging for for a field day, has
always been.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh, I got I gotta share this, Paul has I
gotta put these in a web window. They were talking
in the beginning, Come on, show me in a where's
the brow to to pop up? Open link? There we go,
(55:33):
open link one more and welcome to take radio. This
one talks no way Okay, Okay, okay, so this op
screw I'm sharing. Discord got a click over here. Thank
(55:54):
you for letting me tread water. Discord, Paul made me
Tank Radio baby, and then we got another one and
finally welcome. He's talking and today I'm gonna show you
(56:15):
my field day experience. Play that. That's awesome. I'm saving those, Paul,
I'm saving those. All right, man, hang out for a second.
Let me wrap this up for us. Thank y'all for watching.
(56:35):
I really do appreciate it. Please don't forget to go
ahead and head over to any podcast or app you
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There is four releases a month, sometimes five depending on
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(56:57):
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Y'all are awesome and amazing. Thank you to everyone who
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for this live stream. I'm pulling it up now. It
(57:18):
was Jason, thank you for the super chat, and also Paul,
thank you for the twenty gifted memberships. Y'all are awesome
and amazing. Thank you for watching, and as always, go
forth and conquer.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Say bye seventy three.
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