June 13, 2025 • 29 mins
A card of letting go but this far more to this 8 than just that.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everyone, and welcome to Tera Crazy's Beginners series, Dorothy,
and today we're looking at the eight of Cups. This
is a card really of struggling to let go of something,
and that can be one thing, or it could be
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a lot of things, or it could be trauma from
the past. So it's really important not to predetermine what
that might be. But if you're struggling in a current
situation when this card shows up, there is the potential
that what you're struggling with now has a history which
has created an attitude or a belief or a thought structure.
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And so while the aid of Cups directs you to
let go of something, it does that in the way
that you're thinking about underlying issues that may be causing issues.
It can still be current. It could be representative of
pushing too hard for something you want and causing arguments
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that causes the argument, by the way, and then you
might get angry with the other person, thinking their resistance
is causing the problem. But no, with the aid of Cups,
you're being asked to look at your own causes, origins
and driving force and admit it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Just admit it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
If I started this, I'm sorry let's call it quits here,
I'll let it go. That's what we talk about. If
you've got an argument that goes on and on and on,
it takes one or two people to hold that. Now
it's not always two, and I think we need to
understand that that one person can keep cycling back to it,
putting the other person in a defensive position.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So this is the aid of cups arena.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Really, it's a feeling card with the aid of cups.
In the Victorian Taro, I've got a try woman standing
at a train station and there is a train and
the question is is it coming or is it going?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Is she getting on or did she just get off?
Kind of a query.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Then there's also a little teddy beer with a return
to sender, and there's a bunch of flowers. Things can
look good on the surface, and we could go after
them because we've got a belief in something that isn't
necessarily reflected in that situation, or it's driven by something
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deeper or further back, and that leads you to the
problem of living in the present, I suppose. And that's
quite quite a bit to do with the eights all along,
all through them, there's that understanding of why is it
that we take a past experience and then apply it
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to a present situation. The idea of experience is to
look at past events, circumstances, how they went, including our input,
and that's what gives us wisdom. By the way, you
can have experience and not gain the wisdom from that experience.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So the aid of cups.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Recently was told by somebody that in their guidebook they
said it could mean serious illness, and it's like, no, no, no,
card can mean that that's just not going to happen.
So you're looking at with the cups, it's always going
to be feeling. And that's also with the hearts. If
you're using the oldest style pips, which I use in
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my decks. That whole understanding of it is a heart
energy isn't about love and romance. It's about feelings. I
feel good today, I don't feel so good with this eight.
It's quite often forlorn, it's quite often sad. It can
quite often be depressive because of holding on to something.
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The other thing is it can be angry because if
you're holding on to a grudge, that's what a grudge is,
holding on to anger over something. That was done previously.
You could hold that grudge for years and it could
affect manifestations in the future, and it can affect how
you manifest things. It can affect your health. So quite
an important card from that perspective when it shows up,
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when it shows up as a daily card, like all
of the terror, they're not intended to be read that way,
so you minimalize what their potentials are. So you have
to follow that backwards to well, what could that mean today?
And that could be just being grumpy over somebody being late,
or grumpy over a coworker not handing over what they
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needed to hand over, or working with you, or a
friend saying they weren't available. It becomes that. But in
the standard order of readings, where a person used to
get maybe one or two readings a year, or even
with my clients, their readings are quite specific towards their future.
They're not daily cards, they're not daily readings. And so
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we take something that's quite complex and we make it nothing,
and that leaves you a problem when you've got something
going on. When you look at again the head of cups,
it's not the card of regret actually, but it can
be a card that suggests that if you don't let
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something go, there's going to be a consequence, especially if
it's in your current life and it can affect your future,
or if it's from your past life and it's affecting
your current life, which will still affect your future. I
want to put this down the track of in relationships,
I really do hear a lot of I always choose
the wrong guy, or I always choose the wrong girl.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You choose the person that's a match on some label
for who you are today. If it doesn't work out,
don't focus on them. If you focus on them, that's
the thing to let go, right. If it's a habit,
let go of it. If you focus on them, you
aren't going to change anything within yourself to create something
better next time. It's not about blame. It's not saying, oh,
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it's all my fault, but it is admissions of where
things might have gone wrong, or where it might not
have been worth banking on, hoping on for commitment and
so on. So it might have been too intense, whatever
it was. But once you do that with this card,
you're being asked, well, if you let it go, if
you find a way to let it go. You can
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create a different path forward, you can create a different
experience because recycling experience is about holding on to a
belief right, It's about holding on to a grudge, It's
about holding on to an ideal. It's about holding on
to a dream, even if you haven't done anything to
earn the dream, even if you haven't done anything to
improve your life in other ways. This card allows you
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to understand there's something you are thinking, feeling, something you think,
you know that you're holding onto and it's blocking everything else.
When people ask about blocks, it's not going to be
a chark or block. That's your body. It's not going
to be uric. I'll see it in the aura, but
not as a block. I'll see it as a combination
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of colors in a particular part of the body. And
it may be quite opaque when I'm looking at auras,
and that's a very very specific thing to see.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
When it comes to the.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Cards, you need to be pretty honest with yourself as
to what it is you might need to let go of.
Quite often, i'll see where there's a problem with a
relationship or this I'm talking about my ex, and nobody
should be asking about the X. By the way, with cards,
there's just you can never validate any of that, you
can never get the feedback, you can never know if
you're right. So it's a roller coaster and you're keeping
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yourself on an emotional roller coaster, and you're focusing on something,
and then you're adding tools to that focus. So probably
not wise. But one of the things that I see
with that very often, as you know, people will advise
them you know, you just need to let go, and
they've drawn the aid of cups. It's not that they
need to let go of the person. The person's gone.
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So the question with that aid of cups in that situation,
if I was talking to a client, would be what
are you holding on to?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What belief? What dream? What goal? Quite often when.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
We feel like somebody's spoken harshly to us, or we
feel like a boss has been dismissive, there's or you're
on social media now you're getting all of these experiences
with strangers that you just.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Don't need to have.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And so when you nominalize the cards by drawing them
every day, it gets very very interesting because you just
get to pick where that might fit. You might observe
something you might experience it yourself, somebody else you know
might experience it. But when you are looking at the
longer range way of reading tero, if you're looking at divination,
which is what they are for, they were always designed
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for that, then you are looking at it's something that
can change your future. I've always seen them in I've
got a book called Learn Taro, and in that preface,
in that part of that book of really put down
that I see the cards as a way to empowerment.
You know, when you're back's against the wall, when you
just don't know what to do, when you're emotionally drained,
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or up and down. The cards can be used as
a tool of empowerment. And that is insight and intuition.
So intuition is what I've learned using my experience, based
on what I've learned and what's going on around me.
That's intuition. God instinct is something completely different. It's a
body response to an environment.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Insight and insight is to be able to look into something.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And when you gain.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Insight into yourself or into a circumstance, into a situation,
into a conversation, then it's a lot easier to find
a level ground, a stable way of working your way
through it. With the aid of cups, we can't do
that because we're focused on a past event. With that,
if we've got to let something go, it means we're
already holding onto it. We're already holding onto it, not
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because of the argument maybe, but because of something that
we've believed in the past that we should have or
should be happening and this moment with this person or
in that environment. So these become the question for the
aid of cups is what is it? And that's the expiration.
I think charo is grateful people who love puzzles and
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love puzzling things out.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And that's one of my loves.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I love puzzling things out, love working them out. And
so when you're looking for something, if it's developmental or
if it's resolving a problem, looking at a problem is
relevant by the way, you know what problems are. It's
not a secret, but applying an idea to a solution,
which may not be winning something or getting back together
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or being with somebody. The solution can be letting something go,
and it can be that going out with somebody for
a wee while what was it yesterday? I read a
person had written, you know that's right. I've been I've
been engaged to this guy for two years and now
he said something, Can we hid an argument? Have I
been wasting my time? I mean, really, how self centered
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is that whole commentary?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And she drew cards on that? Am I wasting my time?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So when it's a use or no answer, secondarily it's
so dismissive of the other person. It's her fiance's supposed
to be a bit more than you know, a click bonk.
And so here we've got not even querying a solution
about what's underlying, what's the underlying dynamic of that argument.
I was just doing a video before this podcast in
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the Deckable app and showing the different layouts that I've
created and that are in the app for the dark
ROAs divenation deck, And that becomes a secondary thing that
we're talking about here. If you're going to draw cards
more often, which people are, now that's just a given.
It's a daily card, is the only thing I've got
a real problem with. If you're going to draw cards
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more often, then you need to make sure that your
draw your lay out, your spread, your query are all
in line with what you need to know, And you
need to also think about what do I want this
information for. If I want this information to develop my
life in some way, if I want this information to
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resolve an issue, whether it's a specific issue or a
repeated pattern. Do I want this information to understand something
better so that I can make a better decision. Those
are really the ways that cards really need to be used.
For the amount of time we're using them in a
modern world, For the amount of times we're using the cards,
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They're not going to make decisions for you. They can't
do that. Go should I, shouldn't I you've got a
use or no right. You'll always do what you were
going to do in the first place. I actually put
a two card split decision draw in the Dark Crows Divination.
Actually I think that one's in for all of them.
I think it's in for the Dark Crows and the
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Victorian Taro. And the point of that one is to
understand that you're querying the making of the decision, not
the result of the decision.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I'll explain why.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Energetically speaking, people keep saying things like, oh, we've all
got free choice, free will. Well, actually, yeah, and we've
got free will except for we don't exercise it most
of the time. So you've got two options, You're always
only ever going to do one of those options, so
you aren't divining a future of the other options that simple.
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So the question becomes, what about option one is attracting me?
What about option one feels good for me? Those are
the type of questions looking for and the same with
option two. And it's to clear your mind. It's to
give you clarity because cars can't make a decision for you.
And again, you can't divine a future path that isn't
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going to be there. When I was learning back in
the nineties, there are all these spiritual types that would
say things like, you know, there are many paths that
you can take, there are many paths that you can take.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
The truth is that isn't quite true.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
There are many options, there are many potentials, but what
you believe, what you hold on to eight of cups,
what you hold on to that becomes the foundation of
how you make decisions and how you make choices, and
what you believe about yourself will determine what type of
choices you make. So as soon as you're asking a
question about why things go wrong for you, or what
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is the problem in this area, or what can I
focus on to make this better? And so on and
so on when the eight of Cups comes up in
response to that, bearing in mind if it comes up
with other cards that could lay context, and it's probably
it's healthier and wiser to do it that way. But
one of the interesting aspects of that card is then
it gives you something to look at within yourself. No
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matter what the question is, I need to let go
of what exactly. You know, if it's a question about
a relationship and the relationship doesn't exist, then I might
not be letting go of the relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I might need to let go of.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The idea that I was going to get married, I
was going to have three kids and he was the
guy that was going to be the father. That might
be what you need to let go of, not the
dream itself as a whole, but that person's role in
the dream.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So it gets quite deep with the aid of Cups. Actually,
all of the cards we can do this with.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
If you want me to go through each of the
minor arcana, I've done very quick run bys in all
of the books with them to try and explain how
they influence in day to day life or what their
influence is. But when you come to the when you
come to really looking at a card individually, like that,
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the depths of them is what you're really after, and
so yes or no is like flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
There's just no other point.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And determining that half your cards are positive, half your
cards negative, and if you don't know or d all
five cards for a yes or no answer, it's just
really wasting your time. But flip a coin, because that's
what you get for yes or no. It is just
a hodgepodge. When you are looking at wanting to understand something,
when you are looking at insight, growth, improving your life,
then the depth of each card and the minor arcana
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is quite significant and they represent that minor arcana represent
our day to date life, the things humans do, the good,
the bad, and ugly, and each card is a potential
to be good, bad, or ugly. When we are looking
again at the aid of cups, when is holding a grudge,
it's ugly. When a person holds a grudge, what.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Do they do right? They do anything they can to
damage you.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
They may talk about you, they may dismiss you, they
may wipe you out of their life deservedly or not.
None of that matters. But they're holding a grudge. And
so the opposite of this card is to what to
forgive and forget right, And to forgive or let go
of something is to accept what it was, what it
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is and decide I don't need that affecting this. Once
you isolate what it is affecting, I don't need that
affecting this in my life anymore. We don't need to
paint other people into our storybook of our own making.
They are here for them, they're not here for us.
I think that's another spiritual concept that gets a bit
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lost when people talk about soulmates. I want to clarify
that it comes from the Hindu faith, and they had
arranged marriages. People didn't meet and fall in love. They
still have arranged marriages, by the way, there's lease of
them in foreign country.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But it's quite a big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And the thing about that was that you build a
relationship with somebody to the point that you have this
amazing depths of commitment to each other. Please note the
word love isn't necessarily in there, and the trust bond
is strong, the supports bond is strong. I had somebody
telling me the other day, which I thought was really beautiful,
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a client, and she says, oh, my mother told me
that she didn't fall in love with dad until she
had me, and I'm their third child.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And so understanding that aspect and life is really vital.
And the whole idea that I get hormonally charged and
I look at somebody and I'm like chemically firing and
that means lover is in the air. No, it doesn't
work that way, because that's where the mistakes come from.
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If you don't wait long enough.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
What is it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
They've got a statistic that the average relationship that lasts
the longest. The longest lasting relationships usually date and go
out for two years before they get married or cohabit.
Two years is long enough to get to know each
other really well. If you don't trust each other and
you think I'm going to move in with somebody because
then I can keep an eye on them, wow, that's
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a fail relationship before you've even started. That's just saying
I don't trust you now, and you shouldn't. I'm not
saying you should, but I'm not going to give you
a chance to earn that trust. I'm not going to
give myself a chance to develop the relationship with you,
So that's set out of cups still in there. My
belief is if I grab you now and yank you
into my life fully, then we can make this work.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's a false belief.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
My belief is if I'm charged hormonally that makes me
feel really up and high and energetic and all the
right things. That means that we're going to make a
love connection over time, and so we may need to
let go of those understandings.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Again.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's a girl boy bad teaching thing. They teach boys
to go out and sew your oats. They teach girls
that it's okay if you're in love, if you've got
feelings for the guy, if you love the guy, then
it's okay because a guy can sleep around and a
girl as a slut if she does. I'm just being real.
That's what the world is in twenty twenty five. It's
no different to what it was in nineteen seventy five.
I was there, so one of the interesting things around
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that well, I was kind of young men, but they
were still formulating that that whole ideal was still there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And it's still there today.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Understanding that the aid of Cups there can be false
beliefs in that card. What beliefs you have that might
be false and having a negative impact and part of
your life. That could be the belief that things will
just work out Okay, yes they will, and then you
get repeated you get shown repeatedly that that attitude doesn't
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work by failures or things going wrong or major setbacks,
and then you don't change it, you don't evolve it.
The aid of clups is that you need to evolve
that that it's a false belief, and by doing that
you are not really in command of your life. You're
not in control of your life. You're not directing your life.
You're just hoping and wishing that things will work out okay,
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whether you have input into that or deserve that, or
have earned that or not. The aid of Cups again,
we can go into the spiritual belief of I deserve
whatever you know.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You deserve what you earn. That's normal. The law of
attraction another false belief. It is a real thing, but
it's not. You focus on something and you'll end up
owning it. It's a you focus on something, you work
towards it, and you'll get what you're focused on. Pretty
much how that works. I've had some pretty serious kickbacks
over time with that one. But the law of attraction
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isn't you know the universe? Look around? What is the universe?
It's enormous. You are not even like ants on the planet.
So if we've got a belief that there's an external
anybody that's going to save us, it's going to make
our life okay when we're not putting the effort into
do it, when we're not adjusting what we need to adjust,
which could be a mindset, a feeling, an attitude, a behavior,
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a way of communicating. If we're not doing any of
those things, what do we deserve exactly? The eight of
Cups is suggesting you might need to let go of that.
You might need to inspect why you believe all of that.
So it's not just the false belief, but there's why
do I believe that. I could believe that because it's
convenient and I'm lazy, and I want to believe that.
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And when things go wrong, then I'm going to get
all spiritual for five minutes, transaction or spirituality, get all
spiritual for five minutes, meditate for a little while, and
then get back into the groove where I picked myself
up and go.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yep, no, no, nope, that was just.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
A false start. I was doing it wrong. Let's keep
going on this. If I focus on it, it will
be mine kind of a thing. There was the old
witch one which probably still runs around, I guess. But
when I had my shop, I had a witch who
was teaching people how to make their book of spells,
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their grimoires, and how to do certain types of spells.
And so I'm very lovely, lovely lady. But her common
common thing she said a.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Lot was there's a rule of threes.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Said, say, there's a rule of threes, and the rule
of threes is if you do one good thing, you'll
get it back three times in your favor. And you
just need to look around the world to know this
is just not true. You can look around anybody in it.
This is just not true. So it's a false belief
that can lead a person and to quite depressive states
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when they get the realization that that's not going to be.
The eight of Cups can come up where you believe,
if I get all spiritual, my life's going to get perfect.
It can come up when you go, if I lose weight,
I'm going to meet the other person of my dreams.
None of this is true, and then the disappointment comes,
and so we need to let it, let go of
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the false belief. You could go, you know, if I'm
going to lose I'm going to be happier within myself,
which will help me in my hunt or search or
desire for a partnership. But somewhere in there we need
to address why I'm doing the weight thing in the
first place. Why am I here? Why am I doing
this stuff? And we may have a false belief about
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that I run weight loss clinics with hypnotherapy and the
amount of people. Let's start by saying, you went on
board and no, no, no, no. You eat because you
want to eat, and your boredom is a reason, because
if you're bored, most people just go and do something,
find something to do. So it's a good question, isn't it.
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That's only one of many types of little falsehoods we
chalig ourselves, and they can be quite hard to isolate,
especially when they're common, especially if you're on social media
and all these other people are saying the same thing,
making the same excuses. So when you draw the aid
of cups, if you're looking for a part of your
life that just isn't moving forward, it's not giving you
what you want or what you need, then we always
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find ourselves back at that idea of what is it
that I need to let go of and why is
it there in the first place. Where does it come from?
Because on the surface, it might be the thing you
need to let go of. It might be something a
lot deeper. There might be this fairy tale dream, you know,
this princess dream where you just marry this golden prince
and everything will be lovely, and then three relationships later,
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by the time you're twenty five and you're thinking, well
that was a bummer.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That was horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then you're there and you're like, where am I
going to meet my soulmate? It's like, well, you don't
meet one, you create one. You might need to let
go of that belief. You might need to let go
of a twin Flames belief. The twin flames belief. Is
it what you think either? Twin Flames really comes from
the Japanese Yin and yang, and that is where a
couple is a perfect match. It's got nothing to do
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with past lives. They don't believe in them. It's got
everything to do with when a couple meets and they
are a perfect compliment for each other.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's what twin flames are representing, the yin and yang,
the masculine feminine principle that fit perfectly together. Go and
have a look at the yin and yang symbol and
remind yourself of that. And so that could be a
false belief as well. While you run these false beliefs
when things go wrong, you're not looking at yourself in there.
Then you're looking at some past life that you don't
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even know is true. You're looking at some past existence
or relationship, and then you start applying titles to them.
You might need to let go of that. You might
need to accept responsibility for what kind of a relationship
or experience another person has.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
With you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know, what kind of relationship, What kind of experience
do they have with you.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
When you are what kind of experience do they have.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I don't know if you could hear that, but there's
a guy outside doing doing trying to do a wheelspin
and thinking he's pretty proud because he went to have
a look at how much rubber he left on the road.
Understanding of when I have a false belief, it dictates
my experience in ways that may not be productive, creative, inspiring,
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or correct or even appropriate for what it is I'm
trying to create. When you are looking at getting a
job and you're thinking, you know, why can't I get
the job that I want?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I had that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I've just finished UNI, I've got a degree, and I
haven't been able to get a job, and the year
I've worked relief work, and so on and so on
and so on, and so my response to that was,
you need to let go of this tiny little box
that you've decided I have a degree and that's where
I'm going to work, when there might be three or
four jobs in any one month of those coming up,
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when you could perhaps go for something like, I can
get any job if I let go of that, and
then I can take my time while I'm earning money.
By the way, income was a big part of that.
She wanted to stabilize her funds while I earned money,
and then I can look for a job that's more
suited to my qualification. If I even would be happy
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to get into that. I had a client a while
back who went and quite deliberately got her self a degree.
This is in Canada, got a self a degree, really
happy with that, got a job, good paying job in
the area that she got her degree, and then at
the end of all of that, she hated it.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So she needed to let go of the belief that
because she.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Had the degree, that she had to follow through and
work in that industry, which she did under advice. And
so she dumped that. And it turns out she's a
very social person and she went into working in bars,
and she also adopted an attitude where she understood that
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the environment you're in every day was more important than
following a pre set idea that is socialized, government incentive
are family oriented, which totally disregards the individual's nature, what
kind of person they are, and what they'd be happiest doing.
So we might need to let go of an ideology
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that isn't really relevant to what it is we want
to do. So I'm Dorothy and this is the aid
of cups, and that understanding that it's a card is
centie of letting go of something, because if you hold
on to it that will create a problem, or it's
the opposite of that, saying this is a card that
tends to indicate that you are holding on to something
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that would be better let go of if you want
to move forward in life. I'm Dorothy. This is Tara
Crazy chowf Now
Hey everyone, and welcome to Tera Crazy's Beginners series, Dorothy,
and today we're looking at the eight of Cups. This
is a card really of struggling to let go of something,
and that can be one thing, or it could be
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a lot of things, or it could be trauma from
the past. So it's really important not to predetermine what
that might be. But if you're struggling in a current
situation when this card shows up, there is the potential
that what you're struggling with now has a history which
has created an attitude or a belief or a thought structure.
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And so while the aid of Cups directs you to
let go of something, it does that in the way
that you're thinking about underlying issues that may be causing issues.
It can still be current. It could be representative of
pushing too hard for something you want and causing arguments
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that causes the argument, by the way, and then you
might get angry with the other person, thinking their resistance
is causing the problem. But no, with the aid of Cups,
you're being asked to look at your own causes, origins
and driving force and admit it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Just admit it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
If I started this, I'm sorry let's call it quits here,
I'll let it go. That's what we talk about. If
you've got an argument that goes on and on and on,
it takes one or two people to hold that. Now
it's not always two, and I think we need to
understand that that one person can keep cycling back to it,
putting the other person in a defensive position.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So this is the aid of cups arena.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Really, it's a feeling card with the aid of cups.
In the Victorian Taro, I've got a try woman standing
at a train station and there is a train and
the question is is it coming or is it going?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Is she getting on or did she just get off?
Kind of a query.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Then there's also a little teddy beer with a return
to sender, and there's a bunch of flowers. Things can
look good on the surface, and we could go after
them because we've got a belief in something that isn't
necessarily reflected in that situation, or it's driven by something
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deeper or further back, and that leads you to the
problem of living in the present, I suppose. And that's
quite quite a bit to do with the eights all along,
all through them, there's that understanding of why is it
that we take a past experience and then apply it
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to a present situation. The idea of experience is to
look at past events, circumstances, how they went, including our input,
and that's what gives us wisdom. By the way, you
can have experience and not gain the wisdom from that experience.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So the aid of cups.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Recently was told by somebody that in their guidebook they
said it could mean serious illness, and it's like, no, no, no,
card can mean that that's just not going to happen.
So you're looking at with the cups, it's always going
to be feeling. And that's also with the hearts. If
you're using the oldest style pips, which I use in
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my decks. That whole understanding of it is a heart
energy isn't about love and romance. It's about feelings. I
feel good today, I don't feel so good with this eight.
It's quite often forlorn, it's quite often sad. It can
quite often be depressive because of holding on to something.
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The other thing is it can be angry because if
you're holding on to a grudge, that's what a grudge is,
holding on to anger over something. That was done previously.
You could hold that grudge for years and it could
affect manifestations in the future, and it can affect how
you manifest things. It can affect your health. So quite
an important card from that perspective when it shows up,
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when it shows up as a daily card, like all
of the terror, they're not intended to be read that way,
so you minimalize what their potentials are. So you have
to follow that backwards to well, what could that mean today?
And that could be just being grumpy over somebody being late,
or grumpy over a coworker not handing over what they
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needed to hand over, or working with you, or a
friend saying they weren't available. It becomes that. But in
the standard order of readings, where a person used to
get maybe one or two readings a year, or even
with my clients, their readings are quite specific towards their future.
They're not daily cards, they're not daily readings. And so
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we take something that's quite complex and we make it nothing,
and that leaves you a problem when you've got something
going on. When you look at again the head of cups,
it's not the card of regret actually, but it can
be a card that suggests that if you don't let
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something go, there's going to be a consequence, especially if
it's in your current life and it can affect your future,
or if it's from your past life and it's affecting
your current life, which will still affect your future. I
want to put this down the track of in relationships,
I really do hear a lot of I always choose
the wrong guy, or I always choose the wrong girl.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You choose the person that's a match on some label
for who you are today. If it doesn't work out,
don't focus on them. If you focus on them, that's
the thing to let go, right. If it's a habit,
let go of it. If you focus on them, you
aren't going to change anything within yourself to create something
better next time. It's not about blame. It's not saying, oh,
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it's all my fault, but it is admissions of where
things might have gone wrong, or where it might not
have been worth banking on, hoping on for commitment and
so on. So it might have been too intense, whatever
it was. But once you do that with this card,
you're being asked, well, if you let it go, if
you find a way to let it go. You can
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create a different path forward, you can create a different
experience because recycling experience is about holding on to a
belief right, It's about holding on to a grudge, It's
about holding on to an ideal. It's about holding on
to a dream, even if you haven't done anything to
earn the dream, even if you haven't done anything to
improve your life in other ways. This card allows you
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to understand there's something you are thinking, feeling, something you think,
you know that you're holding onto and it's blocking everything else.
When people ask about blocks, it's not going to be
a chark or block. That's your body. It's not going
to be uric. I'll see it in the aura, but
not as a block. I'll see it as a combination
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of colors in a particular part of the body. And
it may be quite opaque when I'm looking at auras,
and that's a very very specific thing to see.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
When it comes to the.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Cards, you need to be pretty honest with yourself as
to what it is you might need to let go of.
Quite often, i'll see where there's a problem with a
relationship or this I'm talking about my ex, and nobody
should be asking about the X. By the way, with cards,
there's just you can never validate any of that, you
can never get the feedback, you can never know if
you're right. So it's a roller coaster and you're keeping
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yourself on an emotional roller coaster, and you're focusing on something,
and then you're adding tools to that focus. So probably
not wise. But one of the things that I see
with that very often, as you know, people will advise
them you know, you just need to let go, and
they've drawn the aid of cups. It's not that they
need to let go of the person. The person's gone.
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So the question with that aid of cups in that situation,
if I was talking to a client, would be what
are you holding on to?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What belief? What dream? What goal? Quite often when.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
We feel like somebody's spoken harshly to us, or we
feel like a boss has been dismissive, there's or you're
on social media now you're getting all of these experiences
with strangers that you just.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Don't need to have.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And so when you nominalize the cards by drawing them
every day, it gets very very interesting because you just
get to pick where that might fit. You might observe
something you might experience it yourself, somebody else you know
might experience it. But when you are looking at the
longer range way of reading tero, if you're looking at divination,
which is what they are for, they were always designed
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for that, then you are looking at it's something that
can change your future. I've always seen them in I've
got a book called Learn Taro, and in that preface,
in that part of that book of really put down
that I see the cards as a way to empowerment.
You know, when you're back's against the wall, when you
just don't know what to do, when you're emotionally drained,
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or up and down. The cards can be used as
a tool of empowerment. And that is insight and intuition.
So intuition is what I've learned using my experience, based
on what I've learned and what's going on around me.
That's intuition. God instinct is something completely different. It's a
body response to an environment.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Insight and insight is to be able to look into something.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And when you gain.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Insight into yourself or into a circumstance, into a situation,
into a conversation, then it's a lot easier to find
a level ground, a stable way of working your way
through it. With the aid of cups, we can't do
that because we're focused on a past event. With that,
if we've got to let something go, it means we're
already holding onto it. We're already holding onto it, not
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because of the argument maybe, but because of something that
we've believed in the past that we should have or
should be happening and this moment with this person or
in that environment. So these become the question for the
aid of cups is what is it? And that's the expiration.
I think charo is grateful people who love puzzles and
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love puzzling things out.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And that's one of my loves.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I love puzzling things out, love working them out. And
so when you're looking for something, if it's developmental or
if it's resolving a problem, looking at a problem is
relevant by the way, you know what problems are. It's
not a secret, but applying an idea to a solution,
which may not be winning something or getting back together
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or being with somebody. The solution can be letting something go,
and it can be that going out with somebody for
a wee while what was it yesterday? I read a
person had written, you know that's right. I've been I've
been engaged to this guy for two years and now
he said something, Can we hid an argument? Have I
been wasting my time? I mean, really, how self centered
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is that whole commentary?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And she drew cards on that? Am I wasting my time?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So when it's a use or no answer, secondarily it's
so dismissive of the other person. It's her fiance's supposed
to be a bit more than you know, a click bonk.
And so here we've got not even querying a solution
about what's underlying, what's the underlying dynamic of that argument.
I was just doing a video before this podcast in
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the Deckable app and showing the different layouts that I've
created and that are in the app for the dark
ROAs divenation deck, And that becomes a secondary thing that
we're talking about here. If you're going to draw cards
more often, which people are, now that's just a given.
It's a daily card, is the only thing I've got
a real problem with. If you're going to draw cards
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more often, then you need to make sure that your
draw your lay out, your spread, your query are all
in line with what you need to know, And you
need to also think about what do I want this
information for. If I want this information to develop my
life in some way, if I want this information to
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resolve an issue, whether it's a specific issue or a
repeated pattern. Do I want this information to understand something
better so that I can make a better decision. Those
are really the ways that cards really need to be used.
For the amount of time we're using them in a
modern world, For the amount of times we're using the cards,
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They're not going to make decisions for you. They can't
do that. Go should I, shouldn't I you've got a
use or no right. You'll always do what you were
going to do in the first place. I actually put
a two card split decision draw in the Dark Crows Divination.
Actually I think that one's in for all of them.
I think it's in for the Dark Crows and the
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Victorian Taro. And the point of that one is to
understand that you're querying the making of the decision, not
the result of the decision.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I'll explain why.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Energetically speaking, people keep saying things like, oh, we've all
got free choice, free will. Well, actually, yeah, and we've
got free will except for we don't exercise it most
of the time. So you've got two options, You're always
only ever going to do one of those options, so
you aren't divining a future of the other options that simple.
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So the question becomes, what about option one is attracting me?
What about option one feels good for me? Those are
the type of questions looking for and the same with
option two. And it's to clear your mind. It's to
give you clarity because cars can't make a decision for you.
And again, you can't divine a future path that isn't
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going to be there. When I was learning back in
the nineties, there are all these spiritual types that would
say things like, you know, there are many paths that
you can take, there are many paths that you can take.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
The truth is that isn't quite true.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
There are many options, there are many potentials, but what
you believe, what you hold on to eight of cups,
what you hold on to that becomes the foundation of
how you make decisions and how you make choices, and
what you believe about yourself will determine what type of
choices you make. So as soon as you're asking a
question about why things go wrong for you, or what
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is the problem in this area, or what can I
focus on to make this better? And so on and
so on when the eight of Cups comes up in
response to that, bearing in mind if it comes up
with other cards that could lay context, and it's probably
it's healthier and wiser to do it that way. But
one of the interesting aspects of that card is then
it gives you something to look at within yourself. No
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matter what the question is, I need to let go
of what exactly. You know, if it's a question about
a relationship and the relationship doesn't exist, then I might
not be letting go of the relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I might need to let go of.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The idea that I was going to get married, I
was going to have three kids and he was the
guy that was going to be the father. That might
be what you need to let go of, not the
dream itself as a whole, but that person's role in
the dream.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So it gets quite deep with the aid of Cups. Actually,
all of the cards we can do this with.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
If you want me to go through each of the
minor arcana, I've done very quick run bys in all
of the books with them to try and explain how
they influence in day to day life or what their
influence is. But when you come to the when you
come to really looking at a card individually, like that,
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the depths of them is what you're really after, and
so yes or no is like flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
There's just no other point.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And determining that half your cards are positive, half your
cards negative, and if you don't know or d all
five cards for a yes or no answer, it's just
really wasting your time. But flip a coin, because that's
what you get for yes or no. It is just
a hodgepodge. When you are looking at wanting to understand something,
when you are looking at insight, growth, improving your life,
then the depth of each card and the minor arcana
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is quite significant and they represent that minor arcana represent
our day to date life, the things humans do, the good,
the bad, and ugly, and each card is a potential
to be good, bad, or ugly. When we are looking
again at the aid of cups, when is holding a grudge,
it's ugly. When a person holds a grudge, what.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Do they do right? They do anything they can to
damage you.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
They may talk about you, they may dismiss you, they
may wipe you out of their life deservedly or not.
None of that matters. But they're holding a grudge. And
so the opposite of this card is to what to
forgive and forget right, And to forgive or let go
of something is to accept what it was, what it
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is and decide I don't need that affecting this. Once
you isolate what it is affecting, I don't need that
affecting this in my life anymore. We don't need to
paint other people into our storybook of our own making.
They are here for them, they're not here for us.
I think that's another spiritual concept that gets a bit
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lost when people talk about soulmates. I want to clarify
that it comes from the Hindu faith, and they had
arranged marriages. People didn't meet and fall in love. They
still have arranged marriages, by the way, there's lease of
them in foreign country.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But it's quite a big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And the thing about that was that you build a
relationship with somebody to the point that you have this
amazing depths of commitment to each other. Please note the
word love isn't necessarily in there, and the trust bond
is strong, the supports bond is strong. I had somebody
telling me the other day, which I thought was really beautiful,
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a client, and she says, oh, my mother told me
that she didn't fall in love with dad until she
had me, and I'm their third child.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And so understanding that aspect and life is really vital.
And the whole idea that I get hormonally charged and
I look at somebody and I'm like chemically firing and
that means lover is in the air. No, it doesn't
work that way, because that's where the mistakes come from.
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If you don't wait long enough.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
What is it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
They've got a statistic that the average relationship that lasts
the longest. The longest lasting relationships usually date and go
out for two years before they get married or cohabit.
Two years is long enough to get to know each
other really well. If you don't trust each other and
you think I'm going to move in with somebody because
then I can keep an eye on them, wow, that's
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a fail relationship before you've even started. That's just saying
I don't trust you now, and you shouldn't. I'm not
saying you should, but I'm not going to give you
a chance to earn that trust. I'm not going to
give myself a chance to develop the relationship with you,
So that's set out of cups still in there. My
belief is if I grab you now and yank you
into my life fully, then we can make this work.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's a false belief.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
My belief is if I'm charged hormonally that makes me
feel really up and high and energetic and all the
right things. That means that we're going to make a
love connection over time, and so we may need to
let go of those understandings.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Again.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's a girl boy bad teaching thing. They teach boys
to go out and sew your oats. They teach girls
that it's okay if you're in love, if you've got
feelings for the guy, if you love the guy, then
it's okay because a guy can sleep around and a
girl as a slut if she does. I'm just being real.
That's what the world is in twenty twenty five. It's
no different to what it was in nineteen seventy five.
I was there, so one of the interesting things around
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that well, I was kind of young men, but they
were still formulating that that whole ideal was still there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And it's still there today.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Understanding that the aid of Cups there can be false
beliefs in that card. What beliefs you have that might
be false and having a negative impact and part of
your life. That could be the belief that things will
just work out Okay, yes they will, and then you
get repeated you get shown repeatedly that that attitude doesn't
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work by failures or things going wrong or major setbacks,
and then you don't change it, you don't evolve it.
The aid of clups is that you need to evolve
that that it's a false belief, and by doing that
you are not really in command of your life. You're
not in control of your life. You're not directing your life.
You're just hoping and wishing that things will work out okay,
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whether you have input into that or deserve that, or
have earned that or not. The aid of Cups again,
we can go into the spiritual belief of I deserve
whatever you know.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You deserve what you earn. That's normal. The law of
attraction another false belief. It is a real thing, but
it's not. You focus on something and you'll end up
owning it. It's a you focus on something, you work
towards it, and you'll get what you're focused on. Pretty
much how that works. I've had some pretty serious kickbacks
over time with that one. But the law of attraction
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isn't you know the universe? Look around? What is the universe?
It's enormous. You are not even like ants on the planet.
So if we've got a belief that there's an external
anybody that's going to save us, it's going to make
our life okay when we're not putting the effort into
do it, when we're not adjusting what we need to adjust,
which could be a mindset, a feeling, an attitude, a behavior,
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a way of communicating. If we're not doing any of
those things, what do we deserve exactly? The eight of
Cups is suggesting you might need to let go of that.
You might need to inspect why you believe all of that.
So it's not just the false belief, but there's why
do I believe that. I could believe that because it's
convenient and I'm lazy, and I want to believe that.
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And when things go wrong, then I'm going to get
all spiritual for five minutes, transaction or spirituality, get all
spiritual for five minutes, meditate for a little while, and
then get back into the groove where I picked myself
up and go.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yep, no, no, nope, that was just.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
A false start. I was doing it wrong. Let's keep
going on this. If I focus on it, it will
be mine kind of a thing. There was the old
witch one which probably still runs around, I guess. But
when I had my shop, I had a witch who
was teaching people how to make their book of spells,
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their grimoires, and how to do certain types of spells.
And so I'm very lovely, lovely lady. But her common
common thing she said a.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Lot was there's a rule of threes.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Said, say, there's a rule of threes, and the rule
of threes is if you do one good thing, you'll
get it back three times in your favor. And you
just need to look around the world to know this
is just not true. You can look around anybody in it.
This is just not true. So it's a false belief
that can lead a person and to quite depressive states
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when they get the realization that that's not going to be.
The eight of Cups can come up where you believe,
if I get all spiritual, my life's going to get perfect.
It can come up when you go, if I lose weight,
I'm going to meet the other person of my dreams.
None of this is true, and then the disappointment comes,
and so we need to let it, let go of
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the false belief. You could go, you know, if I'm
going to lose I'm going to be happier within myself,
which will help me in my hunt or search or
desire for a partnership. But somewhere in there we need
to address why I'm doing the weight thing in the
first place. Why am I here? Why am I doing
this stuff? And we may have a false belief about
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that I run weight loss clinics with hypnotherapy and the
amount of people. Let's start by saying, you went on
board and no, no, no, no. You eat because you
want to eat, and your boredom is a reason, because
if you're bored, most people just go and do something,
find something to do. So it's a good question, isn't it.
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That's only one of many types of little falsehoods we
chalig ourselves, and they can be quite hard to isolate,
especially when they're common, especially if you're on social media
and all these other people are saying the same thing,
making the same excuses. So when you draw the aid
of cups, if you're looking for a part of your
life that just isn't moving forward, it's not giving you
what you want or what you need, then we always
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find ourselves back at that idea of what is it
that I need to let go of and why is
it there in the first place. Where does it come from?
Because on the surface, it might be the thing you
need to let go of. It might be something a
lot deeper. There might be this fairy tale dream, you know,
this princess dream where you just marry this golden prince
and everything will be lovely, and then three relationships later,
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by the time you're twenty five and you're thinking, well
that was a bummer.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That was horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then you're there and you're like, where am I
going to meet my soulmate? It's like, well, you don't
meet one, you create one. You might need to let
go of that belief. You might need to let go
of a twin Flames belief. The twin flames belief. Is
it what you think either? Twin Flames really comes from
the Japanese Yin and yang, and that is where a
couple is a perfect match. It's got nothing to do
(25:50):
with past lives. They don't believe in them. It's got
everything to do with when a couple meets and they
are a perfect compliment for each other.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's what twin flames are representing, the yin and yang,
the masculine feminine principle that fit perfectly together. Go and
have a look at the yin and yang symbol and
remind yourself of that. And so that could be a
false belief as well. While you run these false beliefs
when things go wrong, you're not looking at yourself in there.
Then you're looking at some past life that you don't
(26:20):
even know is true. You're looking at some past existence
or relationship, and then you start applying titles to them.
You might need to let go of that. You might
need to accept responsibility for what kind of a relationship
or experience another person has.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
With you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know, what kind of relationship, What kind of experience
do they have with you.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
When you are what kind of experience do they have.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I don't know if you could hear that, but there's
a guy outside doing doing trying to do a wheelspin
and thinking he's pretty proud because he went to have
a look at how much rubber he left on the road.
Understanding of when I have a false belief, it dictates
my experience in ways that may not be productive, creative, inspiring,
(27:10):
or correct or even appropriate for what it is I'm
trying to create. When you are looking at getting a
job and you're thinking, you know, why can't I get
the job that I want?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I had that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I've just finished UNI, I've got a degree, and I
haven't been able to get a job, and the year
I've worked relief work, and so on and so on
and so on, and so my response to that was,
you need to let go of this tiny little box
that you've decided I have a degree and that's where
I'm going to work, when there might be three or
four jobs in any one month of those coming up,
(27:45):
when you could perhaps go for something like, I can
get any job if I let go of that, and
then I can take my time while I'm earning money.
By the way, income was a big part of that.
She wanted to stabilize her funds while I earned money,
and then I can look for a job that's more
suited to my qualification. If I even would be happy
(28:08):
to get into that. I had a client a while
back who went and quite deliberately got her self a degree.
This is in Canada, got a self a degree, really
happy with that, got a job, good paying job in
the area that she got her degree, and then at
the end of all of that, she hated it.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So she needed to let go of the belief that
because she.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Had the degree, that she had to follow through and
work in that industry, which she did under advice. And
so she dumped that. And it turns out she's a
very social person and she went into working in bars,
and she also adopted an attitude where she understood that
(28:55):
the environment you're in every day was more important than
following a pre set idea that is socialized, government incentive
are family oriented, which totally disregards the individual's nature, what
kind of person they are, and what they'd be happiest doing.
So we might need to let go of an ideology
(29:17):
that isn't really relevant to what it is we want
to do. So I'm Dorothy and this is the aid
of cups, and that understanding that it's a card is
centie of letting go of something, because if you hold
on to it that will create a problem, or it's
the opposite of that, saying this is a card that
tends to indicate that you are holding on to something
(29:38):
that would be better let go of if you want
to move forward in life. I'm Dorothy. This is Tara
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