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June 22, 2025 30 mins
When reading this card are you really focused on justice or is it more like revenge?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Try to hold me down. So I became a soul
jerk and downtown and nasty bees attilting me. Oh Lord,
but I you did it doesn't make me list. That

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makes you list to the lord because I feel another
flames going to show you on a Welcome everyone to
Tara Crazy. I'm Dorothy the Beginners series. Today we're looking

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at Justice. Now. You'll find there are two other Justice episodes.
You can look at all of them for a really
rounded out One is right away to explain their card,
his card, his symbology, and again, if you're using that deck,
nobody else should be telling you that a card has
a meaning. He's created an image specifically to tweak your

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intuitive response. The pictorial key to the tarot is his
book about his cards, and he wrote that book and
so it's a really worthwhile thing to have a look.
You'll also notice if you get digital copies of it,
as in the original ones, there are the original images

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which you can have a look at and see if
your cards are different. A lot drop a lot of symbology,
but if you don't understand the symbology, you're just going
to go around learning meanings, and that will really limit
your ability to read cards that will limit your ability
to choose a card deck with dynamic imagery. If I
do say so myself, Dark Growth if a Nation and
the Victorian Taro both designed that if you need to

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have a look at a meaning, all right, fine, but
you shouldn't need to. You should be able to look
at an image and get your own internal response from it,
and it will be in line with the card because
you're being drawn to that image. And so we are
today talking about the Justice card, and there's another combination
of queries that have come up that it's probably worthwhile

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you having a lookout or understanding. That would be pretty
much that. That would be pretty much that. Sorry about that.
That would be pretty much that. When you are looking
at a card like the Justice card or the Major

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Arcana or any bigger cards, please note they are your
spiritual development. They are your personal development. If you get
too many of those, nobody's got time for that. It's
like they're confusing because they don't work together per se.
You can read them together, but specific. Traditionally and to

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this day, the average terrorist, if they get more than
three Major Arcana cards in a single ten card Celtic Cross,
they will pop the whole lot back and consider it
a bad shuffle. Consider that they've made a mistake. It happens,
just like dropping cards is a mistake. It's not an
energetic connection. It's not spirit talking to you. It's called

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mishandling the cards. We've always called it mishandling the cards.
We will always call it mishandling the cards. Now. If
you never think about this, now, we'll never have thought
about it. This is the time double barrel questions. I've
mentioned that before with the questions episodes go on, have
a look at how to ask good questions, because you

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do get better answers, and there is no doubt about that.
And there are examples that I'm going to give you
in the next episode of what the difference of a
question makes when we're drawing the cards and our intention
the whole nine yards, and intention really matters and will
override what's higher on your mind. And this is an

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important consideration, all right. So the intention, if it's to
get good news or to have a positive reading, people
now and again, actually ask me to do that that
say I really like a reading, but I only want
the positive stuff. I refund ther money and say sorry,
I'm not your girl, not because it's nothing positive. But
they're telling me that I need to modify information for them,

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even if it's challenging or difficult. They want a good
time feeling. Go and spend time with your friends. That's
what they're for. Go out and party, go out and
watch a funny movie, a comedy, as opposed to seeking
other person to I want to say the word validate,
but it's incorrect because they are enabling in correct attitudes.

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So back to this querying is the question, was I
want to know what I want and need most? What
I really want in need most? Right now? Now, you
could think that's just a bad phrasing, but we all
understand our own language, whether it's Spanish, Chinese English, key
we English is quite different from American English. So we

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all understand our language and what every word means and
how it fits together. And so when we put those
words together, there is an underlying intention in there that
we may not be completely aware of, but it stuffs
up your card readings. So what I really want can
be completely different to what I really need. And we

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all know what we want, we just don't always know
what we need. So that word really becomes a challenge
in that query, because we don't really need anything unless
we're dying of starvation. And we understand this inside ourselves.
By the way, what were sorry? We don't really need want,
sorry anything unless we are yeah, sorry, we don't really

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need confused, we don't really want anything, or we don't
really need everything that we want is a better way
to put that. Unless we are starving, unless we are
dying of thirst, unless we are in trouble. The rest
of it becomes, well, I just want a cup of coffee.
I don't need it. Right, that's just a reality check.

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So we're looking at the justice card as a beginner's
explanation of it. Because the major arcana get narrowed down
on read it on kora on are possibly Facebook now
but definitely on Facebook when Instagram wouldn't even bother, TikTok
wouldn't even bother. They get dumbed down the major arcana

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to situation, or in other words, they get treated like
another card in the minor arcana, which is completely the
wrong way to read them. And I mean that there
are right and wrong ways to read cards. You'll see
a lot of people saying there's no right or wrong
way to read cards. Yes, there is, and the reason
there is is there only people who don't know that
are not good readers. It's really straightforward. I've trained a

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lot of terrorists and they're all exceptional readers. I pat
myself on the back for that. But I also give
them kudos because most of them came with preconceptions and
no idea really how to read their cards, even though
they were already charging. So why did they come to
my classes, which I don't run anymore. By the way,
online I've got the free Tero bytes. You can have

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a quick sticky at those. But unless somebody sets up
a whole set of class or people or whatever, I
just don't really bother. One of the aspects of that
was they didn't look at the pictures. They had just
about universally learned tight meaning a static meaning for every card,
and they were reading them in so so ways it

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was okay, But also they were not even understanding the
query that they were making, because they'd moved into this
more dynamic idea of I want to know. In fact,
I'd had a student one day who said, I want
to know if my son will be successful in his
career choice, And now she didn't like his career choice.
We're New Zealanders. Military for us is like bottom draw stuff.

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It is not to be lauded, it is not to
be heralded. It is a failure of society. So then
we come back to her really being upset that her son.
She was a healer, energy therapist, she was all about
spiritual awareness and she was very distressed that his son
chose to go into the New Zealand military, which probably
means nothing much, but at the end of the day,
there's an intention. We know that he could go to war,

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we know that he could get shot at, and so
on and so on. So when it come down to it,
asked her if that's really what she wanted to know?
Was he going to be successful? Did that really matter
to her as a mum? What did she want most
for her son? And then she looked at me and
she said, Oh, I really would rather know if he
was going to be happy in his life. That's the
question you asked. It's not about his career choices, it's

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about is he going to be happy? Your own fears
are your own fears that should have no part in
the query that you make. So back to the justice card,
and back to want and need. If you're going to
ask what you need to know, expect something you need
to work with. I kid you not because it might
be something flying under your radar. It might be something

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you've interpreted in different ways because you've got feelings and
there's a tendency to want to blame and so on
and so on. What you want is gratification, and there's
no other way to put that. What we want is gratification.
I want a partner. Why you want sex? Do you
want somebody to share it? Do you want somebody to
enable you? Do you know why you want a partner?

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Do you know why you want a cup of coffee?
Do you know why you want a donut? Even if
you don't really want the donut or don't think you
should eat the donut, why do you want it? Do
you really want takeaways? I can promise you you really
don't need takeaways, so you can only want. So that's
the part that becomes very relevant with the justice card.

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So when you're asking want and need is one question,
it's an impossible answer because though it will be two
completely different things, the need side of any query will
go into long term benefits. Even if it's challenging today.
You might need to get rid of somebody in your
life so that you can grow and develop and move
on and have a better life, a better experience on

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day to day. And that could be a job, not
necessarily a relationship. That could be an experience. You could
catch the same bus every day and as a creepy
person on that barceil train, catch a different one go earlier.
Instead of complaining about that. What you need is peace
of mind hop on a different train. So what if
you've got to get up fifteen minutes or a half
an hour or even an hour earlier. If you feel

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better about your day, it's easy enough to stop somewhere.
Little adjustments like that are so commonly refused as an
option that it's not even funny. I watched a program
talking about justice. Still years ago, there was a British
program about annoying neighbors. It was called and then there
was something else. I think it was about. Was it

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just neighbors? I think it was beyond that. I think
it might have been another thing. Because they were driving
along anyway. So you've got the guy in the show,
the host sitting besides this guy who's written into them
and gone, oh, this happens to me every single day,
blah blah blah blah blah. And so he gets in
his car, he goes and then as they hit this
giveaway sign, because this guy is saying this, this other

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person's doing it to him deliberately. Right, that's the blame
mentality injustice right there. I'm being treated unfairly by the universe,
by God, by this person whoever you want to blame.
The other car pulls up, goes around to roundabout, of
which there are many in England and New Zealand, goes
around the roundabout and ends up in front of him,
so he drives behind him. This guy drives slow. Are

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they going the same trick? He gets stuck behind him,
and he's apoplectic by the time he gets close to
where he can turn off to go to work. And
I could see the incredulous look on the host's face
when he turned to him and he says, has it
ever occurred to you to just leave five minutes earlier?
If this happens at the same time every single day,

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he's not doing it to you. That's how he drives.
And this guy just immediately turned around and went, oh,
not going to do that. Why should I have to?
And that's injustice, Why should I have to? And of
course the answer is you don't have to. You could
leave five minutes later, you could leave ten minutes earlier
or ten minutes later, and that whole angry start to

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the day would disappear just like that. So maybe he
got a lot out of being blaming or being angry.
Maybe he was an angry person and this gave him
a quote unquote justifiable reason to be angry. So what
you need to look at when the justice card shows
up is the full import of it. In reverse, it

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can be problematic because it suggests either a defensive idea
or a lack of fairness and the treatments of others
or another person or even situations now are in the past.
Bearing in mind that the justice are the major arcana
are spiritual concepts. That's what we need to attain, is
what we need to develop. It's what we need to
grow into, or what we need to understand, or a

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dynamic that is within regard that means we are part
of the dynamic. Dynamic doesn't happen without us unless we're
just observing it from afar. For a couple over there
is having an argument. It's nothing to do with me.
My involvement in it is the fact that I'm observing
it nothing more. If I start to get upset about it,
then I should leave. That's it. I should go, just go,

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get out of there, because now you are becoming invested
in it in some way, and so you know that
you are easily influenced by the discussion arguments of others.
So in reverse, we need to think about fairness and fairness.
We've all had an argument with the partner, We've all
done it where we shouldn't, or we've all got angry
where we shouldn't. Whichever way that go, then that's that

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understanding of a lack of fairness because you could get angry.
Did you hear that couple arguing they should just do
that at home? Blah blah blah blah blah. It all
comes down to a very selfish, narrow frame of reference
because you don't know what led to that, and you've
probably been in the same situation, if not overtly, it's
been there. So there's that idea that if we aren't

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thinking fairly, if we aren't thinking about situations and how
we've been treated, or how we've treated others now or
in the past, it will come back to bite us.
And that's the reverse justice. It's not a negative at all.
It's think very carefully, are you being fair? Even when
you're asking about another person, it won't be about them necessarily.

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It could be, but you need to be completely detached
for it to actually be about another person as a terrorist.
And of course I see auras and I've been clearvoyant,
not as an energy therapist before any of that, from
last cent mid nineties, early nineties. I've got to tell

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you that that impartiality, that clinician type mentality is pretty
day to day for me. I can't get invested. I
don't want to be invested because I can't give good,
unbiased information. If I decide as a woman, I'm angry
about that. As a person who's experienced that, that bothers
me and so on and so on, it's just here's

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your information, boom. Now it's up to you to deal
with it. I can give advice, but the advice will
be unbiased, so you may not like it. If I'm saying, well,
the other person isn't necessarily wrong. The other persons doing
what they know, and so on and so on. These
are a factors that you need to understand when you're
reading for yourself in the want zone. It could be
a desire in reverse, the justice reverse that someone else

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suffers a bit because of how you feel about them
or what they did, and I'm going to say, they
didn't do it to you, it's just what they did.
They did it for themselves. Usually that can be the
moment you say, I hope they get their karma for this.
Will they suffer karma? Will they understand how I feel?
All of those are you negatively desiring something for them,

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desiring them to suffer in some way, desiring for them
to have an experience that hurts them so that they
can feel like you feel. Trust me, it's that sort
is an angry thought and more likely to attract pack
karma if you're going to go there cause and effect.
If you walk around with a storm cloud over your head,
things tend to go wrong. You tend to drive too fast,
you get the ticket, and you go, why is the

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world against me? It's not the world. It's your attitude
as you wops on through it. It's never great, but
it's a pretty common attitude. On social media. I've got
to say the amount of times I see this in
spiritual groups is disturbing when they're considering themselves to be
spiritually aware. If you're spiritually aware of karma, the last
thing you're ever going to do is wish any kind

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of harm, any kind of issue for another person. It's
a state. Justice as a state of even mine means
it's not emotional. It's not a card of chewing and throwing.
It's why we have a justice system. It's what we
put a judge in charge of these things for. They're
not emotionally invested. They can see the overview, they're prepared

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to hear all sides before making any informed, informed decision.
So the justice card could be likened to being even minded,
balanced thought, and being open to many different aspects. People
call it karma as a card. Sometimes that's very narrow,

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and it is not about that. Justice isn't about karma either.
Let's face the fact here the guilty get away with
it and the innocent get called found guilty all the time.
It's about that openness of attitude, and it's very hard
to find it in any court of law because we
get fast talkers as opposed to here's all your information.
Make of it what you will. We don't have that.

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We haven't had that for a very long time. So
if we want to look at justice as a realistic
it also has to be inclusive of a variety of
contributing factors, like what led to this moment, what led
to this bad relationship? What was my role in it?
If I drew the justice card? Plus trust me, if

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I drew the justice card and a relationship reading, whether
it's work or personal or otherwise or financial, it doesn't
matter career. It's telling me I need to look at myself.
In here. I've got an example that may or may
not be helpful, but I figet something most of us
go through, and it's what I would call non inflammatory.

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A card dithering in front of you may be an inconvenience,
for example, it's not injustice. If you get angry at
it straight away, you're saying I feel something is unfear
about this straight away. That's it. Understand that your reaction
is about your thinking. It's not about what anybody else
is doing. If you are in a hurry and you

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get upset about them, then we are feeling the universal
whatever it is is working against us and is being
unfair or is unfairly picking on us in some way.
In reality, life isn't all about the annoyed driver in
a hurry. In other words, life is not all about EU.
They should have planned ahead and made sure they had
plenty of time, or at least accept that type timing

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isn't the responsive versability of the person in front of them.
They could extend this to knowing they have done things
while driving that were inconvenient for someone else, at times
making a sudden turn, stopping thinking they were going to turn,
realizing it was wrong, and moving on all the while
with vehicles behind them. At that time, they might have
felt a little bit guilty for a moment, or not

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cured at all. Justice includes all elements of any experience
or creation from the moment it became potential and enmages
before it even started, and the driver's scenario that I've
just given you from the minute the annoy driver got up.
They may have been distracted, spent too long on social media,
or argue with their partner or kids, leaving a tight timing.

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They might have even just got up late to get
where they are going, or they may have got up
at the usual time and not allowed in their mind
that there could be inconveniences if they had to get
somewhere at a specific time, i e. I've got to
start work at nine am. They needed also to be
sure that they allowed plenty of time to get there,
including inconveniences, not necessarily trusting they wouldn't be there, or

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except the responsibility that when they happened, they happen. That event.
The event that annoyed them was the result of a
number of factors that have nothing to do with the
dithering driver had everything to do with timing. One d
per timing as that other driver. If they left five
minutes earlier, they would have missed this dithering driver completely.
In fact, probably would have been in front of them.

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If they left five minutes later, the ditterering driver wouldn't
have had any effect. And here's the rub. In that
kind of scenario, with or without the dithering driver, they
would usually arrive at their destination at the same time
with or without the five minutes involved, or within moments.
They could have problems finding a car park, for example,

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they could find a different type of delay, or they
could suddenly remember as they're going to the car that
they forgot something, can had to get back out of
their car and go back inside and grab it all
taking another five minutes. Karma is really misunderstood. It is
simply cause and effect, which makes that an accurate but
partial assessment in certain queries, but not with the justice card.

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Justice isn't about I've been treated unfairly and therefore justice
means that you must also suffer. That is really not karma,
and it is not the justice card. That is an
angry person's thinking process, nothing more, nothing less than the
dithering driver scenario. They didn't know where they were going,
they were unsure, they were unconfident, whatever it was. How

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much pressure would you like others to put on you
when you're in that position, when you're trying to find
the car park, or when you're in sure, or you
pull out a bit quicker, or don't pull out when
other people want you to. You know, it's just a
common thought, you know, remembering how you want to be treated.
You don't expect other people to treat you the way
you would treat them. That is kind of a spiritual

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bit of bollocks. Really, what you do expect is people
to treat you in a civil and accommodating manner. Isn't
that right? And we expect to be able to treat
other people that same way. Getting angry at a dithering driver,
sitting up their date, shaking your fists, or beefing your horn.
None of those are accommodating. It just puts more pressure
on them. And I want to explain the karmic thing

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because it's cause and effect and it's not retribution or reward.
It's neither of those things. It isn't really rocket science,
and it's not really divine either. So an example might
be and I've used this example a million times, which
has led a number of people to say to me,
have you got the secret desire to kick people? I
did Taekwon? So the answer is yes, I kick you

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on the knee, and you won't like me cause an effect?
Straight out, Where's the karma for me? If I walk away?
There is none. If I don't care about it, I'm
going to walk away and not even think about it.
I might even feel glad I kicked you in the knee.
You never know, because I'm that kind of person. But
if I fix your knee, you will think I'm awesome.
Neither of those attitudes affects me or I just move on.

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If I do energy therapy and a person feels good
about that, I feel good about what I do, full stop.
They move on. Another person comes on to my table,
another person comes for a reading. I carry on my day.
That gone, as far as my mind is concerned. They're
just not even there. And that's something to really take
on board. The longer though, if you're thinking about the

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kick knee and you're angry at me, the longer you
are angry at me for kicking you, the more you
are affected by the act. So your anger becomes your karma.
Do you understand it is your cause and effect. The
cause is me kicking in the knee. I'm not the
cause of your anger. You're still angry. At the end
of the day. There's a moment where you could sit

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there and you could go, you kick me in the knee,
you cow, Why did you do that for? And I
can say that because I don't like you, you know,
and you go, well, there's something wrong with you, and
move on, because that's how I do it. By the way,
nobody's kicked me on the knee. But if somebody is
mean or horrible or whatever. If they get over the top,
which I've had once or twice in life, I honestly
sit there and think there's something wrong with them and

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move on and then they're gone out of my mind.
Practice it, it's really worthwhile, because another person getting angry
at you means nothing to you at all. It's all
them that's thinking. That's your stuff. When you understand that,
you recognize that you are the one who's suffering an effect,

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and your cause isn't them kicking in the knee. It's
your anger, and you're holding of that anger, and that
isn't injustice at all. That is you being you practicing
being unfear or unfear minded about somebody else. But person
leaves you at the end of a relationship. They've ended
the relationship. They might or might not have been kind

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or nice about that, but they extricated themselves. You might realize, well, actually,
they've tried to talk to you about things before, and
you hadn't really wanted to know because you knew inside
yourself this wasn't going anywhere. So you tried to hang on,
and they stuck in for a bit longer, and in
the end they realized there's no nice way to extricate themselves,
so they tell you the hard yards. I'm not into you,
I'm out of here. Sorry about that, chief, Let's go

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no contact because they don't trust you to maintain balance
as a fresh X or as an X. At which
point do you hold anger towards them because they weren't
in love with you and didn't want you in their
life in their future. That's just really, really selfish, and
at some point in the past you already knew this

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wasn't going the distance. See, I don't believe in unrequited love.
I believe in clinging people, though, So we come back
to that. You like me for fixing your knee. How
does that work as a karmic response? Well, now you
know it can be fixed, so you don't take care
of it as maybe instructed, which happens to me all
the time where I've given somebody that's been on my

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table a bit of advice. Plenty listen, but plenty don't
and say, you know you won't need to see me
again if you just do this for the next week
or two and find that they don't do that, but
they come back to see me again. They need to
see me again to fix that knee. Now they like
the experience of being on the energy table pretty much
is what's going on there. But it goes on and

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on until I can say something like, you know, you
can have energy therapy without having body issues. Truly, It's
that straightforward. And so there we have the justice card,
and there we have the interesting aspect of reading justice
for what it is and not turning it into a
vengeful tool in your own mind. And as soon as

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you use the word karma, I'm suggesting you better understand
what karma means rather than applying it. And if you're
drawing cards and you're angry with somebody and you feel
justified in that anger, I'm going to say there is
no justification. You were in an agreement. Things didn't go
well it ended. I had a client many years ago

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energy therapy Speak who had been on antidepressants for years,
and she had got quite emotional as a teenager, and
her mother had got her put onto antidepressants. This is
an American thing, by the way, just don't do it.
She got to put onto antidepressants and she stayed on
those antidepressants until she was in her thirties. She hadn't

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been able to hold down a relationship. She struggled with work.
Although she worked, she struggled with just going to work.
She was not a happy girl for years and years
and years. And then she came to me for hypnosis
and said, I'm trying to get off antidepressants. Hypnotized her.
Yes on, qualified clinical hypnotherapist, hypnotized her. She did a

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series of removals. Right at the start. I always say,
go and see your doctor first, tell him what we're doing,
so he can start reducing your medications so that we
don't have a major body withdraw a shoe, which has
nothing to do with your mind. And so she did that.
They all do that, and then we had her off
in three months, after sorry, three sessions. After about three months,

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she came back and she was so angry she was
fit to be tied. And she was angry at her
mum for putting her on the antidepression. She was angry
at the medical, medical whoever, everybody for holding her in
her antidepressant most because of course that contraindicated after three months,

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pretty much most of them, if you have a look.
And so she was really angry that she had been
literally lost her twenties in her later teenage years into
her thirties through relationships and stuff she couldn't have because
she couldn't connect to people when she felt so different.
Now that she was completely clear, completely clean, and could

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see things for what they were, her attitude was different.
She said, I'm not even depressed, I'm just angry now.
And the advice then was to let go of that
anger or it would ruin the next ten years of
her life. But the truth was that there was at
any point, even though she was medicated, she could have
sought help. She sought it in the end, when she
hit her thirties, she could have sought that help. In

(29:34):
her twenties, she didn't. And so we're all culpable in
our own experience of life, even if we are misguided,
even if we'd been given bad information. We are all
culpable in the choices we make at any time. Because
I have no doubt, and I know a few people
who had mentioned that they'd tried to help her in
the past, had suggested that she might want to see somebody,

(29:58):
not me necessarily, but body and get helpful that to
see if they can't help her get rid of the
depression or get rid of the effects of the medications,
which is what she was struggling with for easily ten
years already. So she spent ten years, and her anger
came from knowing she didn't want them, but stayed with
it anyway. Pretty much what people do in relationships. I'm Dorothy.

(30:20):
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