August 20, 2024 • 31 mins
Lunden Roberts is a former basketball Star at Southside High School in Batesville, Arkansas as well as a Division One college star at Arkansas State. She received a degree in Criminal Justice and Psychology at Arkansas State and was later accepted into the CSI graduate program in Washington D.C.
Lunden is better known as the mother of Hunter Biden's daughter Navy Joan Roberts. She is also the author of Out of The Shadows: My Life Inside the Wild World of HUNTER BIDEN.
This interview will introduce you to the real Lunden Roberts and correct many of the lies that have been told about her by the MSM.
Lunden is better known as the mother of Hunter Biden's daughter Navy Joan Roberts. She is also the author of Out of The Shadows: My Life Inside the Wild World of HUNTER BIDEN.
This interview will introduce you to the real Lunden Roberts and correct many of the lies that have been told about her by the MSM.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's time for that little podcast down in Texas, the
Tea Party Power Hour with Mark Galar.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome to the Tea Party Power Hour. I am your host,
Mark Gallar. My very special guest today is London Roberts.
She's here to talk to us about her new book,
Period is Out of the Shadows, My life inside the
wild world of Hunter Biden. Let me tell you a
little bit about London. London was an all star standout
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in high school basketball. She wanted to play at first
for I want to say, was it Western ye, Illinois, Illinois,
thank you? And then sorry, this one I have. Then
you went on to You went on to play for
Arkansas State, and in addition to that, you have a
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degree from Arkansas State in criminal justice and psychology. Got
out of college, worked for your dad for a while,
then you were accepted into a very very prestigious graduate program,
the CSI School in Washington, d C. And it was
there at one point that you met Hunter Biden at
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a at a party at Rosemont Seneca. And I think,
I think that that seems to be what you're most
known for, but there's a lot more to you than that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Once again, you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
To talk to us today about your book Out of
the Shadows, Life Inside the Wild. I think that's a
good word word of Hunter Biden, London, welcome to the show.
It's a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Thank you, thank you for having me. It's good to
be here.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So I did a purposefully long introduction because I felt
like you're being misrepresented to the world.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There are people out there.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Who are representing you as a stripper. They claim Hunter
Biden went into a strip bar, slept with you once,
it was a one night stand, and then you had
Navy Jones Navy Joan nine months later. And they also
make you at time sound like a bit of a
gold digger. And let's knock that myth out of the park.
You come from a very you come from a very
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successful family with a successful business and a family of
some financial depth, and you don't need Hunter Biden's money
at all, and that's never been what this is about.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
In fact, you allowed.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The paternity payments, if you will, to be reduced from
twenty thousand a month down to five if Hunter would
agree to have a zoom meeting with Navy once a month.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He's actually doing it once a week to credit.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But this has never been about money for you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No, it's it's always, you know, been about accountability. And
that was the main thing when when it first came to,
you know, the point where you know, I just had
a child and I felt like telling no one who
the father was was protecting maybe, And then you have
a child, you become a mother, and you realize it's
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her that needs the protection. You know, it's her that
needs the protecting. And one day she's going to ask
who her father is, and am I supposed to tell her?
I can't tell her, So you know, I thought, you know, no,
it's this is my story to tell. And you know,
I wanted Hunter to take accountability. It wasn't about how
much she chooses to pay, It wasn't about any of that.
I wanted him to take a DNA test, and I
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wanted him to take accountability for a child that he
fathered and a child that he knew he'd fothered. And
that was that was the biggest That was the biggest
thing for me throughout all of it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, one of the things that I know hurts you
was the fact that at first he didn't want to
take accountability and that this thing was being described as
some kind of a one night's stand the resulted any pregnancy,
But the simple fact is it wasn't a one night's stand.
You've got a million text messages in phone call records
that prove you were in a relationship with this guy
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for a rather extended period of time. How long were
you How long were you in?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
We were We were on and off roughly a year,
and you know it was around the time that you know,
he'd be more on with Hallie and then when he's
off with Hallie, I would be around. And you know,
it was kind of one of those relationships because Hunter
was in a dark place and he you know, he's
been very candid about his addiction during that time, and
so you know, he had the personality of an addict.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
He's here and then he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And I grew to be close with him very I
trusted him, he trusted me.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I worked for him. We developed a.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Friendship over time that you know, the first five chapters
in the book, I think talk about the night that
I'm meeting and not only the friendship that we developed,
but the relationship and how I fell in love with
him and and why, and you know, the good, the bad,
the ugly, the funny times, the funny stories we have,
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the the good stories we have in the heartbreaking stories
that you know we have during those those times, but
no Hunter. It was disappointing because Hunter was somebody that
I had grown to care about and grown to love
and to hear it just be you know, I don't
have any recollection or to you know, not take accountability
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for a child that he knew that he had fathered.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It was.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It was heartbreaking, and you know, throughout the book there's
all those times and you will see all those heartbreaking
times and you know, I don't think I'm the only
woman out there that's gone through a situation like this. However,
it's just been made so public and you mix media
in with it. You know who Hunter is as the
first son like it. It just it throws a lot
of you know, other controversies and obstacles in there as well.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You must have felt like you were living in a
fish bowl for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, actually described that, and feel like I'm in a.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Fish bowl because it's.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's crazy and it's I've always had a really private
life and I've enjoyed that. I'm proud of where I
come from, you know, not a lot happens here in Arkansas,
and then you're thrown into this public eye and this
public life, and it's overwhelming. The anxiety, it can get
the best of you at times, and it's it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I grew up in Bryan Kolt Station, Texas, right next
to Texas A and M, So I know exactly. I
know exactly what you're talking about when you talk about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I was actually in college station a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
We could have done the interview. Oh well, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Speaking of all that pressure now that Joe Biden has
decided not to run for a second term, do you
feel like maybe some of that pressure is going to
be off.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I hope, you know, I can only hope. It's a
lot when you're connected to the President of the United States.
You know, my daughter is one of the first grandchildren.
Although she may not be treated as one, she is one,
and you worry, especially living in a red state, you
worry about her safety. Yeah, wy, I worry about her immensely.
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You know, every mother worries about their child, but to
the extent of this is is just crazy. And you know,
at night time, we have a whole routine that we
go through, and I'm sure it's completely different than most
other family's routines, but like Navies used to it, we go,
we put guard dog sticks up on the door, and
you know, we make sure all the lights, we check
all the windows, We go above and beyond for our
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security and the security system that we have. We barricade
ourselves in a room with plenty of guns hidden that
she can't get to them, but I can if needed,
and I've had to several times. I've had to get
those guns out in the middle of the night because
you know, there's there's been threats to threats made to
her and to me because of who her grandfather is
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and who her father is.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I mean, if you have a problem with Joe Biden,
go out in public and make a public statement, don't
go after one of his grandkids.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's so cowardly.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That is sae it is, But you have people out
there that actually will do that and then like use it,
you know, as like some publicity stunt or something to
take down a first grandchild. And that's it's sad. It's
sad that there are people like that, but there are.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think it's sad the way you're being I don't
mean to steal on this too long, but I think
it's sad the way you're being presented to the public,
or I should say this portrayed. I mean, there are
a lot of great things about you. You were an
all store athlete the Pride of Batesville, Arkansas, and you
know you went on to you went on to college
and you were an all star there as well. And
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you know you have a degree in criminal justice and psychology.
You were accepted to a prestigious graduate program, even though
you decided ultimately that wasn't what you wanted to do.
You also worked for Rosemonts Seneca and they still you know, stripper, stripper, stripper,
that's all I hear. In fact, you did an interview
and I don't know when you did this, but it
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just posted on YouTube. The one I saw it posted
two months ago and it's inside edition and saw and
this is I'm going to let you hear.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What they said. They actually say they're quoting your book. London,
whose memoir Out of the Shadows goes on sale in August.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Matt Hunter Biden in twenty seventeen, she was working as
a dancer at a gentleman's club in Washington. Now they
actually say that you wrote a book stating that you
met Hunter Biden when you were working at a Jentlenes
club in Washington. I mean, that's just not true. I
read the book cover to cover. That's not in there.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
No, and then and you'll have a lot of that,
and I it's like I told People Magazine the other day.
You know, media has their narrative that they want and
a lot of times, you know, they're not whether they
fix it or not.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
That's that's what they say.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But I think my story and my book has is better,
is better than their narrative that Actually I didn't I
didn't know about that until after it was done. There's
several interviews that you do that people. You know, another
thing people don't understand with media, not everything's live. So
like doing an interview, she asked me questions and I answered.
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And then when it was you know, all broadcasted and
I watched it, I thought I was I.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Was kind of taken back from it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I didn't know that that that was being said.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, at the time, well, it's an outright lie.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
If they said they read your book and you said
you worked at a gentleman's club when you met Hunter.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
That's a lie. I mean, there's a word for that.
It's called a lie. And you never you never said that.
I'm here as a witness.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I was fortunate and blessed to get an early copy
of the book, so I've already read it from cover
to cover.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I know it's not there. So where do they get that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think they just wanted to say the word stripper
because they thought it would bring more views.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And you know, I think that was the whole, you know,
narrative that the media wanted. I think they thought that
that made the story so much better.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, he was known, let's be fair.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He was somewhat known for hanging out at gentlemen's clubs
like Empire, and so it doesn't sound impossible, but it's
still a lot. And I mean, it's one thing for
them to just get it wrong, to say that and
just get it wrong. But when they say she just
wrote a book where she says that she was met
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Hunter when she worked at the General, that's a lie.
And I think it's disappointing that you know, people gain
your trust, you're kind enough to do an interview like
you're doing an interview with me today and then they
deliberately lie. So anyway, I've said all I'm going to
say about inside.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Editions line, but thank you.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It ticked me off. I'm like that.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm a protector every time I see somebody that's like
I feel being unfairly treated, and you know, I wouldn't
run out and set the record straight.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
So hopefully well, and I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know, media and stuff, people think that I want
to put my story out there to be in the spotlight,
and I don't do that. I have like this overwhelming
anxiety of being in the media and it just like
I can't deal with it and I won't look at it.
So really, the only way I even know about that
is because I was told I I didn't watch all
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of it. I've seen bits of it and I can't.
I just I can't watch them and I can't listen
to them, just because it gives me so much anxiety.
And the reason for the book isn't to put myself
out there, but it is to tell my story and
so one day, you know, my daughter can be proud
and know that her mother stood ten toes down.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
If I'm not here to tell my story.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
She'll have it in her hands to read herself, and
she'll know who raised her, and you know, she'll know
the person that I am. And although maybe he said,
she said, she'll know what's true and what isn't by
the book because she'll know her mother.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And that's, you know, my biggest obligation.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
And you know, I think there's also different parts of
the book that I think people can resonate with that
that people do go through these situations, and if it
can impact anyone's life in a positive way or help
make it change in any way, then then a story's
worth telling. And you know, I put the anxiety and
everything aside solely for that and my daughter, and I
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want to.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Say something else about you raising your daughter. I think
you're doing a fantastic job.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
There's a question here.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You are welcome, very welcome, very deserved the compliment. But
there's a quote in the book that says a parent
who loves their child won't teach them to hate the
other parent. And I know so many divorced couples that
spend all their time running down their ex to their kids,
and yes they are hurting their ex in a way,
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but they're hurting their children much worse, you won't allow
that game to be played. In fact, you kick someone
out of your house who was saying negative things about
your grand your excuse me, your daughter's grandparents in that
side of the family. So you've done a great job
in not just talking about that but actually walking the walk.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I think, you know, one day, my daughter's going to
see enough on the internet and everywhere else about her parents,
not just her father, but you know, everything that's been
said about me, and she's going to see.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
All of that someday.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And I've always said if one day she hates her father,
and she will hate him because of what he has
done or what he hasn't done to.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Her and their relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
On my behalf, you know, I want her to know
that she comes from a place to love. I never
want her to be ashamed of where she comes from
or who her grandparent is. Whether there's different you know,
political views in the world, and I get that, but
I want her to be open, open minded and resilient
and you know, forgiving of people and kindness. I want
to instill those traits in her. And I can't do
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that unless I teach her, you know, teach her how
to give people grace. And if I don't stand for
those things and I'm not those that person and show
her those qualities itself, then you know, how am I
to expect her to be that person's And I truly
believe that, you know, tearing the other parent down to
the child does nothing but hurt the child, because that
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child comes from both of you, and that child doesn't
want to hear all those negative things and see those
things that you know.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I mean, someday my daughter will see.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And we need to take a quick break to do
a little business with America, and then we will be
right back with London Roberts. And we are back with
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London Roberts, the author of the book Out of the Shadows.
You mentioned things Hunter has done and hasn't done. Has
that meeting between Navy and Hunter taken place yet, like.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
A physical meeting? Yes, in person, No it has not.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I'm disappointed because I thought when I read the book
that you guys were very much headed in that direction
and that would happen soon.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, the book ends with that, you know, that redemption,
and that's you know where we were when I finished
the book.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
And there's always but there's always that hope.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You know, throughout the book, I think I kept hope
that he would show up during my pregnancy, or hope
that he'd show up after I had her and make
things right, or hope, you know, that through the legal action,
that he would step up and do the right thing.
And I was always constantly let down but relied on
my face to get through those times.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Today it's it's not something that I would, you know,
take away from her, but it's always it's always been,
Like I said, well, however she feels about him will
be solely based on him and his actions.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
One of the things I also like about the book
is that you don't blame Hunter entirely. You take blame
yourself for some of the bad choices that you've made.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That takes one heck.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Of a person from a character standpoint. So congratulations on
being able to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Thank you, Thank you. It's you know, it's accountability.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
If I want Hunter to take accountability, I have to
take accountability for some things that I've done wrong too.
And again I have to I have to show that
and and be that example for my daughter.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now, in the beginning, when you were a younger person.
You had a bit of a penchant for the bad
boys from what I can tell. I mean you said
that you saw Ted Bundy. I'll remind the audience he's
a serial killer one on television and you fell in
love with him. Then, of course there was Hunter Biden.
The first night you met him, he was doing drugs.
It was he wearing parrot underwear at that time or
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is that another Yes, he.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Was that night he was wearing a box parrot boxer.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Brief okay, and they had parrots on them. Because at
one point in the book you call him a parrot
wearing a hole, and I was thinking, what the hell
does that mean? You know, I even asked my wife, honey,
do you know what a parrot wearing.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
A hole is?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And she's like no, And then I remembered the underwear,
so I assumed that he liked to wear parrots all
the time.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
No, it was just it was just from the first night,
because you know, you see a man with all this
paraphernalia in front of him, wearing these brightly colored parrot
boxer briefs, and you you would have thought run like no,
I'm intrigued, like I'm drawn to it. And you know
I talk of being young, dumb and rebellious, and I
had so much empathy for him and the place that
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he was in, and you know, I wanted, I wanted.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
To be there for him.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And I knew he was a broken man, but I
fell in love with that broken man.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Not you and I.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I just I empathized everything that he was going through
and I wanted, I wanted to help. I wanted to
be there no matter what he was doing or where
was that Like, he was somebody that I was just
really drawn to.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, you know, some guys have that kind of charm.
And then after Hunter, there is the guy that I
know it's not his real name, but you call him Brock.
He's an MMA fighter, and you know, every time he
got drunk, he became very belligerent. And you know a
lot of women the first time that happened would have
kicked him out and said, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
We're done.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But you put up with them for a long long time.
So whether it's Ted Bundy, Hunter Biden or the MMA fighter,
you seem to go out and find these bad boys.
If I guess you right now, you're about.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Thirty three, thirty four, I'm thirty three, Yes, thirty three.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I have a son thirty three and a daughter in
law thirty three. So I I'll say this from a
parental standpoint. I would hope that by now you can
give the the London six years ago. If you went
back in time, you would have some good advice you
could give her.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You know I talk about with the Mma fighter. I
was with him and I put up with him. He
used the paternity suit. You know, he was perfect until
the paternity suit, and then all of a sudden he
relied on the same coping mechanism that Hunter did, and.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That was addiction.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And he he didn't turn into the best person. But
the thing was he was he was always really good
to Navy. He was really good to us. And there
was never those episodes until after Navy was in bed,
you know, except for there at the end. But he
never really acted out in front of Navy or ever
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put her life in jeopardy until there at the end.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But he was always so good to her.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And I felt like that I had failed Navy in
the fatherhood department, and I thought the best thing that
I could do is give her a dad that's good
to her.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Whether he's good to me or not, as long as
he's good to her.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, I know that Navy is a very smart little girl,
and I determined that by listening to the questions that
she asked you for someone to age, she's asking very
probing questions, very relevant questions, and I know they're going
to get harder to answer. How much is how much
easier would that be if Hunter would step up again?
He stepped up when he started doing this. I mean,
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that's that's great, that's a good first step. But if
Hunter would actually start having a face to face relationship
with her, meet with her from time to time, well,
of course.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It would be easier for I wish he would answer
the questions that she has.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
But I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's like the other day, she sees Donald Trump on TV. Huh.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
And you know, a few weeks back, she said, Mom,
is that is that my grandpa?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And I said no, And I said are you talking
about him on the TV?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And she said yes.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I said no, I said, that's that's Donald Trump. And
she said I thought my grandpa was president and she said,
I said, well he is. I said, but this is
a former president, you know, I said, they take turns.
You know, I try to make it, you know, so
she knows that it's not President Forever type thing. And
so then fast forward to the other day. She looks
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up his mom, is that Donald Trump on TV?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I said, uh, yeah, sure is.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And she sat there for a little bit and I'm thinking,
how can I change the channel?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Who put this on?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And she goes, hey, mom, I said yes, And she said,
I don't think I'm ever going to meet my grandfather
who's the president, And you know, my heart just breaks.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And I said you don't. I said, well, how come?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And she said, because if he's as busy as that
guy is, I'm never going to see him. Like that
guy's everywhere. Well I started laughing. I'm like, yeah, of
course he's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You're in Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But I said, I said, you know, maybe I don't
know if you'll ever meet your grandfather. I can't promise
you that you will. But I can't promise you this.
Whether you do or you don't, it's God's will. And
if you don't, God has a reason for you not
meeting him. And if you do, then God has a
reason for you to meet him. Either way, it's God's
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will and it's it's whatever God means to happen, we
are in the place that we are in today because
this is where God had us in this moment, She's
kind of sit there and she shook her head and
she said, Mommy, you know who I really want to meet?
And I said who and she said my daddy. I
said you do, and she said yeah, I just want
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to give you one hug. And you know that as
a mother breaks your heart. And I said, well, honey,
it's just like I said before. If you do or
you don't, that's up to God and we will put
that in his hands. And she shook her head and
kind of goes on. But it absolutely breaks my heart
as a mother because you know, I can't imagine having
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a child and not being in its life. And I
know it's gut wrenching to Hunter.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I know it is.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I know that you know he has so I just
I don't understand it. But it's heartbreaking for me because
it's like I said, you know, hell hath no fury
like a woman scorned. But they don't tell you about
the hell hath no greater fury than a mama whose
baby is being scorned. And you know that's my baby.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, I'm hoping, you know, I mentioned the fact that
Joe wasn't running for reelection now. I in my head
as I was reading the book, I was thinking this
was written while Joe was still going to run for
a second term, and perhaps Hunter somehow felt that actually
meeting Navy in person, the media might get wind of
it and it would be this huge public spectacle that
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might somehow hurt his dad's bid for reelection. But with
that out the window, I would hope, you know now
that there are no political concerns in terms of how
it might affect his dad running for office, I would
hope he'd be more agreeable to it. I got to
tell you, I read this book. It tugged at my
heartstrings the whole way through, especially when you were mentioning
things that Navy had said. But there was another conclusion
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I came to, and that is, this is just a
horrific story so far has a somewhat happy ending with
the Zoom meetings, But this would be a really interesting,
compelling story even if the father of the baby wasn't
Hunter Biden.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, yeah, and I believe so too.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's like I've said, like I feel like it can
resonate with and relate to so many different people who've
gone through situations like this, and you know, it just
so happens that, you know, Hunter is the first son,
so it's more public. And if that gives me that
platform to tell that story, to help those people that
are in situations like this and know that they're not alone,
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you know, I think it's worth telling. And I get
plenty of messages, you know, from mothers all over the
world that are just like some people tell me how
it helped them through their times, and and it you know,
that was before my book was even written. That was
just them telling me, you know, my situation and standing
up for my daughter led them to do the same
or gave them strength during their weakest times. And I
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truly believe that women like that that read this book,
it could it could really, it could really impact them
in their mindset.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
In the book, you mentioned that your dad was going
through prostate cancer.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
How's he doing.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
He's actually doing really well.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He is. He's cancer free and you know, still running
around being the boss, and him and Navy are actually
pretty tight. He goes above and beyond for her, where
she's his only granddaughter. He's got all other grand boys
and so she has him wrapped around her finger.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
As she should.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, that's that's that's fantastic. Well, I've used up all
the time you promised me, so I have to. I
do want to ask one last question.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay, yeah, ok?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That is is there anything we've missed? Is there anything
you want the world to know about London Roberts that
we haven't covered. I've tried to do everything I can
to make sure they know who you really are and
not just think of you, you know, as some kind
of a gold digging stripper, which infuriates me.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And let's say this too.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
The reason that happened, a lot of people said, well,
she wasn't on birth con control because she wanted to
trap him. You know, I read that and you your
birth You were on birth control, but tell us it
failed temporarily because of an anti antibiotic you were taking
was lessening the efficacy of the birth control pill. It
was interfering with the efficacy. So you were on birth control.
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This was not like I'm gonna I'm going to trap
a wealthy man and none of the none other story
adds out because it's like they say, he came in
you met him that night, y'all slept together and made
a baby. So how much time did that give you
to get off of birth control? You know, I mean,
it's a it's a stupid it's a stupid scenario. But anyway,
that is true. Back to the original question, though, is
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there anything about London Roberts, or a navy or a
hunter or any of the story that we've missed that
you want to make sure the American people actually.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Are aware of?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, I think the book speaks for itself, okay,
And I think I think that it speaks volumes if
if people would go out and read it, I think that,
you know, it's it's kind of like my.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
My pastor read it. I gave I gave him a copy.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And you know, he's a simple Arkansas man, and he
was in his sermon the other day and he said,
if you haven't bought London's book, you need to. And
he said that, you know, he read it in two days,
and he said, I laughed, I got angry. I cried,
I mean, there's a lot of emotions in the book.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And he said, but but.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
At the same time, I think that I think it's
a good it's a good story for for everyone to
learn from and anyone could learn anything from it and
different parts of the book because there's so many different parts,
but you know, it's it's about I think a big
part is giving that forgiveness, whether it's asked for or
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whether it may not even you know, be deserved.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It's not your burden to bury or Carrie.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, and it is your burden to burry, but not
your burden to carry. And and you know, I just
I hope that I hope that my story can help
someone else out there who's gone through the similar thing.
And you know, I'm going to continue doing what I
can as a mother for Navy.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I think the beautiful part of the book is how
Navy's appearance in the world changed you, changed your family,
made them much more to day. I hope it improved
your relationship with your mother, because I know she was
very critical of what happened at first. So it just
seems like Navy came into the world and brought a
lot of good with her when she did, she.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Did, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And in the final pages, I finally write a letter
to Hunter, and you know, I say she brought what
we not only I needed, but the world needed more
of love.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
M I think it's great how she says I love
you all the time and calls everybody honey.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Oh my gosh all the time twenty four to seven,
especially like if she gets anxiety or anything she's in
like a moment where she doesn't always usually Mama, I
love you.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I love you too.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Maybe you're okay, everything's fine, but yeah, she she does
all the time.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well, London, thank you so much for being on the
show once again, everybody. The title of the book is
Out of the Shadows, My life inside the wild world
of Hunter Biden. And if you'll take a little parental
advice from someone who's enough to be your dad, stay
away from those bad boys please.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah, well you know now that's great and live
and you learn that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Sometimes it just takes us a little bit longer than others.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
True.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And by the way, support I don't I keep saying
to let you go, but to support you know you
liking the bad boys. Uh. There was a poll done
at one point I think Jeff Fox really talked about
this where they pulled women and said, you know, what's
the word you associate with the type of guy you
like the number one word was dangerous. So you're not alone.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You're not alone. Thanks for being here today. I love
the book.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I've enjoyed the interview and I wish you very much
successful the book and with your clothing line that's coming
out well.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Have a great day you too.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
You've been listening to the Tea Party Power Hour with
Mark Galar.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Y'all come back now you're here.
It's time for that little podcast down in Texas, the
Tea Party Power Hour with Mark Galar.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome to the Tea Party Power Hour. I am your host,
Mark Gallar. My very special guest today is London Roberts.
She's here to talk to us about her new book,
Period is Out of the Shadows, My life inside the
wild world of Hunter Biden. Let me tell you a
little bit about London. London was an all star standout
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in high school basketball. She wanted to play at first
for I want to say, was it Western ye, Illinois, Illinois,
thank you? And then sorry, this one I have. Then
you went on to You went on to play for
Arkansas State, and in addition to that, you have a
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degree from Arkansas State in criminal justice and psychology. Got
out of college, worked for your dad for a while,
then you were accepted into a very very prestigious graduate program,
the CSI School in Washington, d C. And it was
there at one point that you met Hunter Biden at
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a at a party at Rosemont Seneca. And I think,
I think that that seems to be what you're most
known for, but there's a lot more to you than that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Once again, you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
To talk to us today about your book Out of
the Shadows, Life Inside the Wild. I think that's a
good word word of Hunter Biden, London, welcome to the show.
It's a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Thank you, thank you for having me. It's good to
be here.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So I did a purposefully long introduction because I felt
like you're being misrepresented to the world.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There are people out there.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Who are representing you as a stripper. They claim Hunter
Biden went into a strip bar, slept with you once,
it was a one night stand, and then you had
Navy Jones Navy Joan nine months later. And they also
make you at time sound like a bit of a
gold digger. And let's knock that myth out of the park.
You come from a very you come from a very
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successful family with a successful business and a family of
some financial depth, and you don't need Hunter Biden's money
at all, and that's never been what this is about.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
In fact, you allowed.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The paternity payments, if you will, to be reduced from
twenty thousand a month down to five if Hunter would
agree to have a zoom meeting with Navy once a month.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He's actually doing it once a week to credit.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But this has never been about money for you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No, it's it's always, you know, been about accountability. And
that was the main thing when when it first came to,
you know, the point where you know, I just had
a child and I felt like telling no one who
the father was was protecting maybe, And then you have
a child, you become a mother, and you realize it's
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her that needs the protection. You know, it's her that
needs the protecting. And one day she's going to ask
who her father is, and am I supposed to tell her?
I can't tell her, So you know, I thought, you know, no,
it's this is my story to tell. And you know,
I wanted Hunter to take accountability. It wasn't about how
much she chooses to pay, It wasn't about any of that.
I wanted him to take a DNA test, and I
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wanted him to take accountability for a child that he
fathered and a child that he knew he'd fothered. And
that was that was the biggest That was the biggest
thing for me throughout all of it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, one of the things that I know hurts you
was the fact that at first he didn't want to
take accountability and that this thing was being described as
some kind of a one night's stand the resulted any pregnancy,
But the simple fact is it wasn't a one night's stand.
You've got a million text messages in phone call records
that prove you were in a relationship with this guy
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for a rather extended period of time. How long were
you How long were you in?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
We were We were on and off roughly a year,
and you know it was around the time that you know,
he'd be more on with Hallie and then when he's
off with Hallie, I would be around. And you know,
it was kind of one of those relationships because Hunter
was in a dark place and he you know, he's
been very candid about his addiction during that time, and
so you know, he had the personality of an addict.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
He's here and then he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And I grew to be close with him very I
trusted him, he trusted me.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I worked for him. We developed a.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Friendship over time that you know, the first five chapters
in the book, I think talk about the night that
I'm meeting and not only the friendship that we developed,
but the relationship and how I fell in love with
him and and why, and you know, the good, the bad,
the ugly, the funny times, the funny stories we have,
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the the good stories we have in the heartbreaking stories
that you know we have during those those times, but
no Hunter. It was disappointing because Hunter was somebody that
I had grown to care about and grown to love
and to hear it just be you know, I don't
have any recollection or to you know, not take accountability
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for a child that he knew that he had fathered.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It was.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It was heartbreaking, and you know, throughout the book there's
all those times and you will see all those heartbreaking
times and you know, I don't think I'm the only
woman out there that's gone through a situation like this. However,
it's just been made so public and you mix media
in with it. You know who Hunter is as the
first son like it. It just it throws a lot
of you know, other controversies and obstacles in there as well.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You must have felt like you were living in a
fish bowl for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, actually described that, and feel like I'm in a.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Fish bowl because it's.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's crazy and it's I've always had a really private
life and I've enjoyed that. I'm proud of where I
come from, you know, not a lot happens here in Arkansas,
and then you're thrown into this public eye and this
public life, and it's overwhelming. The anxiety, it can get
the best of you at times, and it's it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I grew up in Bryan Kolt Station, Texas, right next
to Texas A and M, So I know exactly. I
know exactly what you're talking about when you talk about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I was actually in college station a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
We could have done the interview. Oh well, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Speaking of all that pressure now that Joe Biden has
decided not to run for a second term, do you
feel like maybe some of that pressure is going to
be off.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I hope, you know, I can only hope. It's a
lot when you're connected to the President of the United States.
You know, my daughter is one of the first grandchildren.
Although she may not be treated as one, she is one,
and you worry, especially living in a red state, you
worry about her safety. Yeah, wy, I worry about her immensely.
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You know, every mother worries about their child, but to
the extent of this is is just crazy. And you know,
at night time, we have a whole routine that we
go through, and I'm sure it's completely different than most
other family's routines, but like Navies used to it, we go,
we put guard dog sticks up on the door, and
you know, we make sure all the lights, we check
all the windows, We go above and beyond for our
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security and the security system that we have. We barricade
ourselves in a room with plenty of guns hidden that
she can't get to them, but I can if needed,
and I've had to several times. I've had to get
those guns out in the middle of the night because
you know, there's there's been threats to threats made to
her and to me because of who her grandfather is
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and who her father is.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I mean, if you have a problem with Joe Biden,
go out in public and make a public statement, don't
go after one of his grandkids.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's so cowardly.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That is sae it is, But you have people out
there that actually will do that and then like use it,
you know, as like some publicity stunt or something to
take down a first grandchild. And that's it's sad. It's
sad that there are people like that, but there are.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think it's sad the way you're being I don't
mean to steal on this too long, but I think
it's sad the way you're being presented to the public,
or I should say this portrayed. I mean, there are
a lot of great things about you. You were an
all store athlete the Pride of Batesville, Arkansas, and you
know you went on to you went on to college
and you were an all star there as well. And
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you know you have a degree in criminal justice and psychology.
You were accepted to a prestigious graduate program, even though
you decided ultimately that wasn't what you wanted to do.
You also worked for Rosemonts Seneca and they still you know, stripper, stripper, stripper,
that's all I hear. In fact, you did an interview
and I don't know when you did this, but it
(09:32):
just posted on YouTube. The one I saw it posted
two months ago and it's inside edition and saw and
this is I'm going to let you hear.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What they said. They actually say they're quoting your book. London,
whose memoir Out of the Shadows goes on sale in August.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Matt Hunter Biden in twenty seventeen, she was working as
a dancer at a gentleman's club in Washington. Now they
actually say that you wrote a book stating that you
met Hunter Biden when you were working at a Jentlenes
club in Washington. I mean, that's just not true. I
read the book cover to cover. That's not in there.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
No, and then and you'll have a lot of that,
and I it's like I told People Magazine the other day.
You know, media has their narrative that they want and
a lot of times, you know, they're not whether they
fix it or not.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
That's that's what they say.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But I think my story and my book has is better,
is better than their narrative that Actually I didn't I
didn't know about that until after it was done. There's
several interviews that you do that people. You know, another
thing people don't understand with media, not everything's live. So
like doing an interview, she asked me questions and I answered.
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And then when it was you know, all broadcasted and
I watched it, I thought I was I.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Was kind of taken back from it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I didn't know that that that was being said.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, at the time, well, it's an outright lie.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
If they said they read your book and you said
you worked at a gentleman's club when you met Hunter.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
That's a lie. I mean, there's a word for that.
It's called a lie. And you never you never said that.
I'm here as a witness.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I was fortunate and blessed to get an early copy
of the book, so I've already read it from cover
to cover.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I know it's not there. So where do they get that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think they just wanted to say the word stripper
because they thought it would bring more views.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And you know, I think that was the whole, you know,
narrative that the media wanted. I think they thought that
that made the story so much better.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, he was known, let's be fair.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He was somewhat known for hanging out at gentlemen's clubs
like Empire, and so it doesn't sound impossible, but it's
still a lot. And I mean, it's one thing for
them to just get it wrong, to say that and
just get it wrong. But when they say she just
wrote a book where she says that she was met
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Hunter when she worked at the General, that's a lie.
And I think it's disappointing that you know, people gain
your trust, you're kind enough to do an interview like
you're doing an interview with me today and then they
deliberately lie. So anyway, I've said all I'm going to
say about inside.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Editions line, but thank you.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It ticked me off. I'm like that.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm a protector every time I see somebody that's like
I feel being unfairly treated, and you know, I wouldn't
run out and set the record straight.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
So hopefully well, and I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know, media and stuff, people think that I want
to put my story out there to be in the spotlight,
and I don't do that. I have like this overwhelming
anxiety of being in the media and it just like
I can't deal with it and I won't look at it.
So really, the only way I even know about that
is because I was told I I didn't watch all
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of it. I've seen bits of it and I can't.
I just I can't watch them and I can't listen
to them, just because it gives me so much anxiety.
And the reason for the book isn't to put myself
out there, but it is to tell my story and
so one day, you know, my daughter can be proud
and know that her mother stood ten toes down.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
If I'm not here to tell my story.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
She'll have it in her hands to read herself, and
she'll know who raised her, and you know, she'll know
the person that I am. And although maybe he said,
she said, she'll know what's true and what isn't by
the book because she'll know her mother.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And that's, you know, my biggest obligation.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
And you know, I think there's also different parts of
the book that I think people can resonate with that
that people do go through these situations, and if it
can impact anyone's life in a positive way or help
make it change in any way, then then a story's
worth telling. And you know, I put the anxiety and
everything aside solely for that and my daughter, and I
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want to.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Say something else about you raising your daughter. I think
you're doing a fantastic job.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
There's a question here.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You are welcome, very welcome, very deserved the compliment. But
there's a quote in the book that says a parent
who loves their child won't teach them to hate the
other parent. And I know so many divorced couples that
spend all their time running down their ex to their kids,
and yes they are hurting their ex in a way,
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but they're hurting their children much worse, you won't allow
that game to be played. In fact, you kick someone
out of your house who was saying negative things about
your grand your excuse me, your daughter's grandparents in that
side of the family. So you've done a great job
in not just talking about that but actually walking the walk.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I think, you know, one day, my daughter's going to
see enough on the internet and everywhere else about her parents,
not just her father, but you know, everything that's been
said about me, and she's going to see.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
All of that someday.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And I've always said if one day she hates her father,
and she will hate him because of what he has
done or what he hasn't done to.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Her and their relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
On my behalf, you know, I want her to know
that she comes from a place to love. I never
want her to be ashamed of where she comes from
or who her grandparent is. Whether there's different you know,
political views in the world, and I get that, but
I want her to be open, open minded and resilient
and you know, forgiving of people and kindness. I want
to instill those traits in her. And I can't do
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that unless I teach her, you know, teach her how
to give people grace. And if I don't stand for
those things and I'm not those that person and show
her those qualities itself, then you know, how am I
to expect her to be that person's And I truly
believe that, you know, tearing the other parent down to
the child does nothing but hurt the child, because that
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child comes from both of you, and that child doesn't
want to hear all those negative things and see those
things that you know.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I mean, someday my daughter will see.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And we need to take a quick break to do
a little business with America, and then we will be
right back with London Roberts. And we are back with
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London Roberts, the author of the book Out of the Shadows.
You mentioned things Hunter has done and hasn't done. Has
that meeting between Navy and Hunter taken place yet, like.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
A physical meeting? Yes, in person, No it has not.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I'm disappointed because I thought when I read the book
that you guys were very much headed in that direction
and that would happen soon.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, the book ends with that, you know, that redemption,
and that's you know where we were when I finished
the book.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
And there's always but there's always that hope.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You know, throughout the book, I think I kept hope
that he would show up during my pregnancy, or hope
that he'd show up after I had her and make
things right, or hope, you know, that through the legal action,
that he would step up and do the right thing.
And I was always constantly let down but relied on
my face to get through those times.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Today it's it's not something that I would, you know,
take away from her, but it's always it's always been,
Like I said, well, however she feels about him will
be solely based on him and his actions.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
One of the things I also like about the book
is that you don't blame Hunter entirely. You take blame
yourself for some of the bad choices that you've made.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That takes one heck.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Of a person from a character standpoint. So congratulations on
being able to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Thank you, Thank you. It's you know, it's accountability.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
If I want Hunter to take accountability, I have to
take accountability for some things that I've done wrong too.
And again I have to I have to show that
and and be that example for my daughter.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now, in the beginning, when you were a younger person.
You had a bit of a penchant for the bad
boys from what I can tell. I mean you said
that you saw Ted Bundy. I'll remind the audience he's
a serial killer one on television and you fell in
love with him. Then, of course there was Hunter Biden.
The first night you met him, he was doing drugs.
It was he wearing parrot underwear at that time or
(18:19):
is that another Yes, he.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Was that night he was wearing a box parrot boxer.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Brief okay, and they had parrots on them. Because at
one point in the book you call him a parrot
wearing a hole, and I was thinking, what the hell
does that mean? You know, I even asked my wife, honey,
do you know what a parrot wearing.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
A hole is?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And she's like no, And then I remembered the underwear,
so I assumed that he liked to wear parrots all
the time.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
No, it was just it was just from the first night,
because you know, you see a man with all this
paraphernalia in front of him, wearing these brightly colored parrot
boxer briefs, and you you would have thought run like no,
I'm intrigued, like I'm drawn to it. And you know
I talk of being young, dumb and rebellious, and I
had so much empathy for him and the place that
(19:05):
he was in, and you know, I wanted, I wanted.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
To be there for him.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And I knew he was a broken man, but I
fell in love with that broken man.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Not you and I.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I just I empathized everything that he was going through
and I wanted, I wanted to help. I wanted to
be there no matter what he was doing or where
was that Like, he was somebody that I was just
really drawn to.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, you know, some guys have that kind of charm.
And then after Hunter, there is the guy that I
know it's not his real name, but you call him Brock.
He's an MMA fighter, and you know, every time he
got drunk, he became very belligerent. And you know a
lot of women the first time that happened would have
kicked him out and said, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
We're done.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But you put up with them for a long long time.
So whether it's Ted Bundy, Hunter Biden or the MMA fighter,
you seem to go out and find these bad boys.
If I guess you right now, you're about.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Thirty three, thirty four, I'm thirty three, Yes, thirty three.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I have a son thirty three and a daughter in
law thirty three. So I I'll say this from a
parental standpoint. I would hope that by now you can
give the the London six years ago. If you went
back in time, you would have some good advice you
could give her.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You know I talk about with the Mma fighter. I
was with him and I put up with him. He
used the paternity suit. You know, he was perfect until
the paternity suit, and then all of a sudden he
relied on the same coping mechanism that Hunter did, and.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That was addiction.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And he he didn't turn into the best person. But
the thing was he was he was always really good
to Navy. He was really good to us. And there
was never those episodes until after Navy was in bed,
you know, except for there at the end. But he
never really acted out in front of Navy or ever
(20:52):
put her life in jeopardy until there at the end.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But he was always so good to her.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And I felt like that I had failed Navy in
the fatherhood department, and I thought the best thing that
I could do is give her a dad that's good
to her.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Whether he's good to me or not, as long as
he's good to her.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, I know that Navy is a very smart little girl,
and I determined that by listening to the questions that
she asked you for someone to age, she's asking very
probing questions, very relevant questions, and I know they're going
to get harder to answer. How much is how much
easier would that be if Hunter would step up again?
He stepped up when he started doing this. I mean,
(21:32):
that's that's great, that's a good first step. But if
Hunter would actually start having a face to face relationship
with her, meet with her from time to time, well,
of course.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It would be easier for I wish he would answer
the questions that she has.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
But I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's like the other day, she sees Donald Trump on TV. Huh.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
And you know, a few weeks back, she said, Mom,
is that is that my grandpa?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And I said no, And I said are you talking
about him on the TV?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And she said yes.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I said no, I said, that's that's Donald Trump. And
she said I thought my grandpa was president and she said,
I said, well he is. I said, but this is
a former president, you know, I said, they take turns.
You know, I try to make it, you know, so
she knows that it's not President Forever type thing. And
so then fast forward to the other day. She looks
(22:27):
up his mom, is that Donald Trump on TV?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I said, uh, yeah, sure is.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And she sat there for a little bit and I'm thinking,
how can I change the channel?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Who put this on?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And she goes, hey, mom, I said yes, And she said,
I don't think I'm ever going to meet my grandfather
who's the president, And you know, my heart just breaks.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And I said you don't. I said, well, how come?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And she said, because if he's as busy as that
guy is, I'm never going to see him. Like that
guy's everywhere. Well I started laughing. I'm like, yeah, of
course he's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You're in Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But I said, I said, you know, maybe I don't
know if you'll ever meet your grandfather. I can't promise
you that you will. But I can't promise you this.
Whether you do or you don't, it's God's will. And
if you don't, God has a reason for you not
meeting him. And if you do, then God has a
reason for you to meet him. Either way, it's God's
(23:22):
will and it's it's whatever God means to happen, we
are in the place that we are in today because
this is where God had us in this moment, She's
kind of sit there and she shook her head and
she said, Mommy, you know who I really want to meet?
And I said who and she said my daddy. I
said you do, and she said yeah, I just want
(23:43):
to give you one hug. And you know that as
a mother breaks your heart. And I said, well, honey,
it's just like I said before. If you do or
you don't, that's up to God and we will put
that in his hands. And she shook her head and
kind of goes on. But it absolutely breaks my heart
as a mother because you know, I can't imagine having
(24:04):
a child and not being in its life. And I
know it's gut wrenching to Hunter.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I know it is.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I know that you know he has so I just
I don't understand it. But it's heartbreaking for me because
it's like I said, you know, hell hath no fury
like a woman scorned. But they don't tell you about
the hell hath no greater fury than a mama whose
baby is being scorned. And you know that's my baby.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, I'm hoping, you know, I mentioned the fact that
Joe wasn't running for reelection now. I in my head
as I was reading the book, I was thinking this
was written while Joe was still going to run for
a second term, and perhaps Hunter somehow felt that actually
meeting Navy in person, the media might get wind of
it and it would be this huge public spectacle that
(24:52):
might somehow hurt his dad's bid for reelection. But with
that out the window, I would hope, you know now
that there are no political concerns in terms of how
it might affect his dad running for office, I would
hope he'd be more agreeable to it. I got to
tell you, I read this book. It tugged at my
heartstrings the whole way through, especially when you were mentioning
things that Navy had said. But there was another conclusion
(25:15):
I came to, and that is, this is just a
horrific story so far has a somewhat happy ending with
the Zoom meetings, But this would be a really interesting,
compelling story even if the father of the baby wasn't
Hunter Biden.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, yeah, and I believe so too.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's like I've said, like I feel like it can
resonate with and relate to so many different people who've
gone through situations like this, and you know, it just
so happens that, you know, Hunter is the first son,
so it's more public. And if that gives me that
platform to tell that story, to help those people that
are in situations like this and know that they're not alone,
(25:53):
you know, I think it's worth telling. And I get
plenty of messages, you know, from mothers all over the
world that are just like some people tell me how
it helped them through their times, and and it you know,
that was before my book was even written. That was
just them telling me, you know, my situation and standing
up for my daughter led them to do the same
or gave them strength during their weakest times. And I
(26:16):
truly believe that women like that that read this book,
it could it could really, it could really impact them
in their mindset.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
In the book, you mentioned that your dad was going
through prostate cancer.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
How's he doing.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
He's actually doing really well.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He is. He's cancer free and you know, still running
around being the boss, and him and Navy are actually
pretty tight. He goes above and beyond for her, where
she's his only granddaughter. He's got all other grand boys
and so she has him wrapped around her finger.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
As she should.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, that's that's that's fantastic. Well, I've used up all
the time you promised me, so I have to. I
do want to ask one last question.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay, yeah, ok?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That is is there anything we've missed? Is there anything
you want the world to know about London Roberts that
we haven't covered. I've tried to do everything I can
to make sure they know who you really are and
not just think of you, you know, as some kind
of a gold digging stripper, which infuriates me.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And let's say this too.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
The reason that happened, a lot of people said, well,
she wasn't on birth con control because she wanted to
trap him. You know, I read that and you your
birth You were on birth control, but tell us it
failed temporarily because of an anti antibiotic you were taking
was lessening the efficacy of the birth control pill. It
was interfering with the efficacy. So you were on birth control.
(27:40):
This was not like I'm gonna I'm going to trap
a wealthy man and none of the none other story
adds out because it's like they say, he came in
you met him that night, y'all slept together and made
a baby. So how much time did that give you
to get off of birth control? You know, I mean,
it's a it's a stupid it's a stupid scenario. But anyway,
that is true. Back to the original question, though, is
(28:03):
there anything about London Roberts, or a navy or a
hunter or any of the story that we've missed that
you want to make sure the American people actually.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Are aware of?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, I think the book speaks for itself, okay,
And I think I think that it speaks volumes if
if people would go out and read it, I think that,
you know, it's it's kind of like my.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
My pastor read it. I gave I gave him a copy.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And you know, he's a simple Arkansas man, and he
was in his sermon the other day and he said,
if you haven't bought London's book, you need to. And
he said that, you know, he read it in two days,
and he said, I laughed, I got angry. I cried,
I mean, there's a lot of emotions in the book.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And he said, but but.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
At the same time, I think that I think it's
a good it's a good story for for everyone to
learn from and anyone could learn anything from it and
different parts of the book because there's so many different parts,
but you know, it's it's about I think a big
part is giving that forgiveness, whether it's asked for or
(29:12):
whether it may not even you know, be deserved.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It's not your burden to bury or Carrie.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, and it is your burden to burry, but not
your burden to carry. And and you know, I just
I hope that I hope that my story can help
someone else out there who's gone through the similar thing.
And you know, I'm going to continue doing what I
can as a mother for Navy.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I think the beautiful part of the book is how
Navy's appearance in the world changed you, changed your family,
made them much more to day. I hope it improved
your relationship with your mother, because I know she was
very critical of what happened at first. So it just
seems like Navy came into the world and brought a
lot of good with her when she did, she.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Did, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And in the final pages, I finally write a letter
to Hunter, and you know, I say she brought what
we not only I needed, but the world needed more
of love.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
M I think it's great how she says I love
you all the time and calls everybody honey.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Oh my gosh all the time twenty four to seven,
especially like if she gets anxiety or anything she's in
like a moment where she doesn't always usually Mama, I
love you.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I love you too.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Maybe you're okay, everything's fine, but yeah, she she does
all the time.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well, London, thank you so much for being on the
show once again, everybody. The title of the book is
Out of the Shadows, My life inside the wild world
of Hunter Biden. And if you'll take a little parental
advice from someone who's enough to be your dad, stay
away from those bad boys please.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah, well you know now that's great and live
and you learn that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Sometimes it just takes us a little bit longer than others.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
True.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And by the way, support I don't I keep saying
to let you go, but to support you know you
liking the bad boys. Uh. There was a poll done
at one point I think Jeff Fox really talked about
this where they pulled women and said, you know, what's
the word you associate with the type of guy you
like the number one word was dangerous. So you're not alone.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You're not alone. Thanks for being here today. I love
the book.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I've enjoyed the interview and I wish you very much
successful the book and with your clothing line that's coming
out well.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Have a great day you too.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
You've been listening to the Tea Party Power Hour with
Mark Galar.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Y'all come back now you're here.
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