Episode 7: Teacup Talks About Ukraine

Teacup, Chip, and Big Charlie talk about the war in Ukraine along with its history and current events as we know them in mid-August 2024. Mix in some Russian economics, geopolitics, and a heaping dose of Teacup patriotism and you get a show that's not to be missed. 

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Episode Transcript

>> Teacup (00:04):
The button there.

>> Big Charlie (00:05):
I just press the button?

>> Teacup (00:07):
Yeah, that's me,
dude. My poor wife, man. She has to sleep next to
me.
Oh, man. hey,
this is. This is gonna be a great episode today. I
think we got Big Charlie on the,
on the keys back there.

>> Big Charlie (00:26):
That's me, right?

>> Teacup (00:29):
We got Chip. Chip, you're super excited. I know you are. Because this
is a subject that is near and dear.

>> Chip (00:34):
Very.

>> Teacup (00:35):
Okay. It's near and dear to me, too.
And today we're gonna talk about
the war in Ukraine, you
know, which started
in, Was it February, 21,
22, 22.

>> Big Charlie (00:52):
Technically even started in January of 2014.

>> Teacup (00:55):
Yeah. Well, if we want to go back to when, Crimea was
annexed. Yeah.
And, you know, probably even before that,
because Russia has to in place all their
shithead people that they used to
sway a people and take over a government.

>> Chip (01:12):
Yep.

>> Teacup (01:13):
but some interesting, updates.
Yeah, I'm super excited about. And I kind
of wanted to talk about that, but I also wanted to get into,
like, kind of my thoughts
on why we're even seeing this in the first
place.

>> Big Charlie (01:30):
On missions, they called
him Teacup.

>> Teacup (01:41):
Listen here. Cause I got some shit to tell you.

>> Big Charlie (01:46):
Now he's telling the boys
what he knows.

>> Chip (01:51):
Wait, what?

>> Big Charlie (01:55):
This is Teacup talks?

>> Teacup (02:06):
It depends on who you listen to.
Honestly, I think Vladimir Putin says
he's out there slaying nazis,
but I don't know how that makes sense. I'm pretty sure
Zelensky's, jewish, isn't it?

>> Chip (02:20):
He is jewish.

>> Big Charlie (02:20):
He is jewish, yes.

>> Teacup (02:23):
All right. I imagine there's more than just him.

>> Chip (02:25):
Oh, yeah. And the ukrainian
military is very. It's quite diverse.
Like, way more diverse than you would think. Especially with the foreign
volunteers.

>> Teacup (02:35):
Yeah, well, it's gotta be, Cause they're like. Like we
said at the beginning of the show, they're fighting a damn war over there, aren't
they?

>> Chip (02:41):
A real one.

>> Teacup (02:42):
A real one.

>> Chip (02:43):
Power on power.

>> Teacup (02:44):
Yeah.

>> Chip (02:45):
Haven't seen that one in a minute.

>> Teacup (02:48):
Well, see, the way
you say that is kind of what bothers me in this
situation.

>> Chip (02:54):
What do you mean?

>> Teacup (02:55):
Because it's not really power on power.
Are, you suggesting that Russia is a power?

>> Chip (03:01):
I think they were.

>> Teacup (03:03):
I don't even think they were.

>> Chip (03:04):
I think that they
were not at the same level as the United States,
but still very. They were a
threat, you know, to a certain point.

>> Big Charlie (03:15):
And, you know, theoretically, they still
have the second largest nuclear arsenal in the
world, whether it's functional,
whether there's another question of water.

>> Teacup (03:25):
Yeah, but, I mean, if we measure
it. If we measure world
powers by nuclear
weapons, China's a world
power.
Okay. And I don't think that too
many people would argue China's stance in the
world.
But Pakistan has nuclear

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weapons. Are they a world power?
Would we consider them a world power?

>> Big Charlie (03:51):
I don't think so, not really, no.

>> Chip (03:53):
Because their manpower doesn't equate
and what they equip their manpower
with.

>> Teacup (03:59):
And I say unto you, Russia
has lost 500,000
troops.

>> Big Charlie (04:06):
Almost 600.

>> Teacup (04:07):
Almost 600. And how many
years of war?

>> Big Charlie (04:12):
Two and a half.

>> Teacup (04:13):
They are not a, power if you base it off of their
manpower even now. Cause I
think when you lose troops at the cyclic rate, and
we can talk about what cyclic rate means, but all my military
fans out there, they'll understand cyclic rate, when
you lose troops at the cyclic rate, you're not
really doing, you're not really doing damage. They

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are, they've taken over some areas, but they're
not, they're not winning a war
like that. And I think, I think Russia
applies like, world War two era
tactics.

>> Chip (04:49):
That was their glory days and that's what they
didn't really advance after World War
two in terms like, with doctrine, because they were
like, well, it worked that time. We were able to defend the
motherland.

>> Big Charlie (05:02):
They're doing what they've done for centuries, which
is you come in, you destroy
everything and just sweep in behind it with
massive numbers.

>> Teacup (05:13):
And you can see it because like I had said earlier, you know,
they, with how they took over Crimea, they had to. To
implant personnel.
Little green men to sow doubt and
discourse amongst that population
in order to do what they did. And they have
the Donbas right now part of

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it. There are russian people
from Russia that have moved to
that area and have set
up Life there. It's a war zone.

>> Chip (05:45):
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (05:46):
Oh, yeah. So they've been building
condos, building apartment building, or rebuilding apartment
buildings as fast as they can and moving Russians from
Russia into Sevastopol.

>> Teacup (05:57):
Yeah.

>> Chip (05:57):
Which we're finding out those apartment buildings
are not very well built at all.

>> Big Charlie (06:02):
Go figure.

>> Chip (06:03):
like, you know, when you put up a building that
fast with guys that are not trained because you sent the train guys
to die, you know, it,
you're not going to have a good product at the end.
Like, videos are like, people that are living there
now are like putting videos on the Internet where they're like, oh, yeah,
look at my new house. And you're like, you know, two days

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later they're like, oh, my electricity doesn't work in
my brand new apartment.

>> Big Charlie (06:27):
oh. My neighbor's bathtub just fell into my. It fell
through the ceiling into my bathroom.

>> Chip (06:32):
Oh, yeah. I started walking to the kitchen and my foot went through
the floor. Like, I mean, that's what you're gonna.

>> Teacup (06:37):
Get when you're like russian building shit.

>> Chip (06:40):
And you sent the train guys to die. It's like you just
started taking guys off the street, like, all right, go fight
for your country.

>> Teacup (06:48):
I'm really interested in this because I.
I'm a warrior. I've spent my. The
better part of my adult Life
in the military and,
war zones, working in war zones and
stuff like that. now that those days are

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over with for me, there
is a new generation of
young men that
are going to be coming up
and having to deal with this bullshit. And this is why I'm so grateful
that you're here with me, chip, you
underaged bastard. And I love
you.

>> Chip (07:28):
Look, I'm not that underage. I'm just in that weird middle part
that we get in, in the US where it's like you're an adult,
but not really, like you're an adult, but you can't do the
adult all the adult things, yet you're a junior adult.

>> Teacup (07:40):
Yeah, sure, sure.

>> Big Charlie (07:43):
A vice adult.

>> Teacup (07:46):
But I'm wondering because
right now all we're doing is
supplying, some weapons. I think we supplied some
aircraft. Now, I think they have f. Don't know if we're the ones that
supplied the aircraft.

>> Big Charlie (08:01):
No, the Dutch. Let's see. Who is it?
Dutch? The Norwegians, the
Belgians, the Danes, a bunch
of european, northern european countries, mostly nordic countries. Nordic countries
are providing the aircraft and they're a little bit
older model of f 16s. Now, they've done
some upgrades on them to bring them
more up m to date before they supplied

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them. And then, we're supplying the
munitions. I mean, we're supplying the Amraams and the aim
nine. I, think initially aim
nine m m model sidewinders. And we're
supposedly going to provide the
newer aim nine x sidewinders,
which are a really cool missile. along with,
you know, we've already been providing the

(08:45):
harm, you know, anti radar
missiles, we've been providing jdams, we've been
providing. We're going to provide j dam ers, the extended range
glide bombs.

>> Teacup (08:57):
I think all of this with the expectation that it's
not to be used against
territory. Yeah. And then that puts
us to where we are right now because.
And I'm gonna be honest, I think that
you. I think what's happening right now,
I'm a soldier. I was a soldier, fought m

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in Iraq.
We were fighting an insurgency.
And I like watching the news and I get all
my info and stuff from all the talking heads, the generals and
stuff of my time and m
I think we should listen to them. Cause those are all very smart
guys, but I think

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those guys don't know how to fight an
insurgency. And I think that's what
Ukraine is. They're like fighting for their
lives.

>> Chip (09:50):
They are, yes and no. It's like,
because when I think of an insurgency, right. I think
of a lot of small unit stuff. I think
of, you know, a lot of you're focusing
more on, like, taking out, you know,
leaders, stuff like that. When we're talking
about Ukraine, you're talking about not taking on leaders,
but like taking positions, you know, and,

(10:12):
yeah, armored.

>> Big Charlie (10:13):
This is armored combat. I mean, they're running around with Bradley's
and Bradley's and leopard ones and
challengers. Two hundred and sixty four s and all that.

>> Chip (10:21):
And you're talking about, you know,
nearly, you know, matched
opponents in terms of gear there in
most, most places.

>> Teacup (10:31):
Yeah. When I was in Iraq, I'll say it like
this, so we can kind of relate it. When I was in
Iraq, it's an
insurgency. You're fighting an insurgency.
the same was true in Afghanistan. You're fighting an
insurgency there. And so they
weren't well funded. They had real shitty
equipment, but they had missiles and rockets and.

(10:54):
They had bombs and they made bombs and they had
missile launchers from vehicles. They
made those fucking things. Just
because they have shitty equipment and they're
underfunded, I think, doesn't mean that
Ukraine still isn't an insurgency,
because right now, and I. And the reason why I say
it is because they are using small,

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small group tactics. You
know, I watch some of the videos you send me.
And a lot of that small group tactics stuff,
they're moving in with like, a van of guys
to go into a position and then hold
a position. And what's happening in
Russia right now? I mean, I don't know how big
that element is, but it's not a very big

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element. Pregogian walked
into or marched through Russia with
like, a battalion sized element. Battalion
for us is six to 800
guys, roughly.

>> Chip (11:53):
Yep.

>> Teacup (11:53):
So,
these aren't real big numbers. I'm not looking, we're not
looking at like, world War two or Korea, where you had
trenches and you had
10,000 troops
on this line here with 10,000 troops coming from
this area. China was sending in millions,

(12:14):
Right?

>> Big Charlie (12:14):
No, it's not like that.

>> Chip (12:15):
I mean, you do that anymore with drones and all that. It's like, if you have that
many.

>> Teacup (12:18):
Guys, and this is the other thing, the technology, and
I'm glad you said it, the technology that's being used
is really the force
multiplier. So, like, Ukraine doesn't have
the numbers that Russia has clearly. I mean, Russia
has lost 500,000 people. I don't know how many. How many Ukraine
lose?

>> Big Charlie (12:36):
nobody really knows for sure, and.

>> Teacup (12:38):
We'Re not going to say it on.

>> Big Charlie (12:39):
This show anyways, the guess is that their loss
rate, they're doing somewhere between
three to one to five to one against the Russians.
So for every ukrainian
casualty, there's somewhere between three and five russian
casualties. And the
Ukrainians, have gotten very good at

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casualty evacuation, and their medical system is very,
you know, battlefield medicine is very good. So they're.

>> Teacup (13:04):
You're seeing repeat warriors.

>> Big Charlie (13:06):
Repeat. You're seeing guys missing limbs who've gone back
to the fight. the Russians, on the other hand, are
doing what the Russians always do and
abandoning their dead and abandoning their wounded. And
you're even seeing, if you really start looking in telegram and all,
you're seeing pictures. You're seeing videos of guys who
have been brought back to russian aid stations
who were left out there so long

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with wounds that the wounds are infested
with. With, corpse fly maggots.

>> Teacup (13:34):
Oh, well.

>> Chip (13:34):
And even, like, you know, the. And the
soldiers know it now, so.

>> Teacup (13:39):
They'Re like, they don't want to fight.

>> Chip (13:40):
They don't fight, or they don't themselves. And if they get. Yeah,
if they get hit, they could get hit, and they'd be, you know, while
most, you know. So my buddy's been shot a
couple of times. Every single time, he was good.
Like, he was, you know, he's had the first time.

>> Teacup (13:54):
All right, well, let's caveat that, because our buddy is fighting
for who?

>> Chip (13:58):
For Ukraine.

>> Teacup (13:59):
Okay?

>> Chip (14:00):
Yeah. So. And he.

>> Teacup (14:02):
Everybody knows what side we're on over here.

>> Chip (14:05):
but, you know, he. From what he
told me, like, when the first time he got shot, he
said he never feared for his Life. He was just like,
man, this is gonna hurt. He's gonna suck for a minute.
Versus these russian guys are like, they get hit in
a area that's less
vital than where my buddy got hit, and

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they're instantly like, all Right, I'm done. And they'll shoot themselves.
They'll hold it. They'll take, you know, pull a grenade and just hold it next to
their head, and that's.

>> Teacup (14:33):
That's great. I just wish they would do it before they got to the front
lines of I wish they would do that before
they got to the front lines.

>> Chip (14:40):
They're just. If they try and do it and fail,
they're probably getting shot by.

>> Teacup (14:45):
I'm encouraging the Russians to commit suicide.

>> Chip (14:48):
At their home, surrender, and then
go fight for the Ukrainians.

>> Teacup (14:53):
That's right.

>> Big Charlie (14:53):
That's happening to some. To a limited extent, but
it's surrender. Add themselves to the, you know, add
themselves to the exchange bank so that
the Ukrainians have more Russians that they can exchange for
ukrainian Pows.

>> Chip (15:05):
And then you get to go home.

>> Big Charlie (15:06):
Yeah, you go home. Well, maybe. Apparently some of
them, they get.

>> Chip (15:10):
Or go back to the front and they get. Do it again.

>> Big Charlie (15:12):
Yeah. They get picked up and they get sent right back to the front line.

>> Chip (15:14):
But you get the two for one special.

>> Teacup (15:16):
So it's real interesting, you know.
Now back to how this started. You know,
Vladimir Putin says, hey, we're gonna go and say some
Nazis. Well, there's Nazis there.

>> Chip (15:28):
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (15:29):
The story keeps changing.

>> Chip (15:30):
It does.

>> Teacup (15:31):
It changes.

>> Chip (15:32):
Yeah.

>> Teacup (15:33):
His story changes more than I changed my underwear.
I'm just kidding.

>> Big Charlie (15:38):
I don't wear a conversation with sweetness about
laundry.

>> Teacup (15:42):
I said it. I don't. I'm just joking. I don't wear
underwear.

>> Chip (15:48):
Anyway.

>> Big Charlie (15:49):
TMI.

>> Teacup (15:50):
Just joking again. Got him.
But
he says, you know, we gotta look at. He also says, we
gotta look at the history that those Ukrainians are actually
Russians, which isn't true. I mean,
unless you were looking at recent history when that was part of
USSR. But if you look further back, Ukraine has always

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been.
Their own people. They have their own culture, their
own customs, their own way of
doing things.

>> Chip (16:19):
That would be like Britain waltzing into India and
being like, all right, you're ours now.

>> Big Charlie (16:24):
You're ours again.

>> Teacup (16:25):
They did that.

>> Chip (16:26):
Well, I mean, but, I mean, military might, and
I, you know, putting on the map, saying, this is great
Britain, not India anymore, and I won't
go deep, deep, deep.

>> Big Charlie (16:36):
You know, we don't need to have a long conversation about history. But, I mean, the
history is. Kyiv is
older than Moscow by hundreds of
years.

>> Teacup (16:45):
Yes.

>> Big Charlie (16:46):
And the. And, you know, the.
What we now call Russia was the Grand Duchy of
Muscovy. It wasn't Russia. They didn't
take the name Russia until after they had conquered
Ukraine, who were historically the Kievan
Rus. And they said, oh, we
like this name. We're now going to call ourselves the

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Rus. We're going to assume, you know,
take over their culture.

>> Chip (17:10):
Well, and that name carried a lot of,
like, power with it.

>> Big Charlie (17:15):
Well. Cause the Rus were Vikings,
kind of.

>> Teacup (17:20):
Like real men instead of these little bitch ass Russians we see
today.

>> Big Charlie (17:23):
Yes.

>> Chip (17:24):
not the malnutrition. I was going to
say things and, yeah, my brain just stopped braining for a
second, so.

>> Teacup (17:32):
And I asked you a question earlier. I
said, who is the largest grain
producer in the world?
And I think at one point
it was Ukraine. And I don't think it was that long ago
or they were in the top three.

>> Big Charlie (17:48):
I think they've always been. They are the breadbasket of Europe.

>> Teacup (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, I. And so, and so
when, when Vladimir Putin says some jackassery
like, hey, we're here, we're gonna, we're gonna get rid of
the nazi revolution that's happening in
Ukraine and get rid of their nazi,
jewish, weird president, I
don't know, who.

>> Big Charlie (18:10):
Was an entertainer on russian tv.

>> Teacup (18:12):
Yeah, it makes no sense.
and then you also find out, and this is more recent,
you find out that they have huge, huge
oil reserves and natural gas reserves they've
got.

>> Chip (18:24):
That are still untapped.

>> Teacup (18:25):
Untapped. They just found out about them.

>> Chip (18:27):
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (18:28):
Oil, gas, iron, all sorts of other, you know,
nickel, other ores. They're a whole. That whole
Donbas region is
rich with mineral resources. which is
why he wants it.

>> Teacup (18:40):
Which is exactly why he wants it.

>> Chip (18:42):
And he knows that if he got his hands on
that and was able to somehow justify it to the rest of the world, and
then, you know, wait for the world to forget,
right, he would be. He and his country
and his oligarchs around him would be
rich. Insanely rich.

>> Big Charlie (18:59):
Rich.

>> Teacup (18:59):
Er, rich.

>> Chip (19:00):
Er, even more insanely rich. Unfathomably
rich.

>> Big Charlie (19:03):
Well, there's already a thought out there that Vladimir
Putin may actually be the wealthiest man in the world.

>> Chip (19:09):
It depends on how you measure it. Yeah, well, because if you measure it
as, he owns the country, but.

>> Teacup (19:14):
Yeah, he owns every business,
every. Talking
about the oligarchs. Those oligarchs are not
oligarchs. So they don't, they don't have their wealth
without him.

>> Chip (19:27):
Yeah. Cause they get paid by the government, which is,
in the end, run by him.

>> Teacup (19:33):
Like, you, you can't be, you can't own a
business without him. He has. This guy approves
everything, and it's run.

>> Chip (19:41):
Very much like a mafia in that regard.

>> Teacup (19:43):
A lot of the reason why this is super interesting and important to
me is because, I
really hate the Russians, and I want to see them
get destroyed every step of the way. I don't like them.
And I really. I
was kind of, I kind of
was indifferent before. But a few

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years ago, and I don't know if you guys remember
this, but a few years ago, it came out
that Putin was paying
Taliban to kill soldiers.
And our, illustrious
president at the time,
you know, was like, so what? Yeah,

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we kill people, too.
Well, ah, hopefully we kill Russians. Those are the bad people.
Hopefully we're the good guys, which
might happen soon. But because I love my country
and I love the armed services and all that stuff,
I worry about
Russia taking these people's freedom,

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which I want them to have their own freedom. I want them to be able to do whatever
they want, just like I want the Russians do whatever they want,
except for invade and take over another country.

>> Big Charlie (20:54):
Yep.

>> Teacup (20:54):
It's not necessary.

>> Chip (20:55):
We figured out those borders a long time ago.

>> Teacup (20:58):
But my position is,
is that Vladimir Putin has no
leverage with a lot of the
world going to ev and the bulk of the
russian economy based off of its oil. Oil and natural
gas, and coal. And the
EU is moving away from business with them. And

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I think Vladimir Putin is trying to get
leverage by taking over the
breadbasket of Europe.

>> Chip (21:49):
Well, that, And he also knows that
for the past few years,
he has not been a
favorable character inside his own country. He used to
be. He used to be the pinnacle of manliness, the pinnacle of
whatever in that society. But in the last few years,
as you know, Russians have suffered more from

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poverty. They're like, look, this dude doesn't know how to do
this anymore. So I think another thing was he wanted to
save face. He wanted to try and, like, do something, you
know, like he needed to do something
drastic in order to make himself look better. And if he
could go and win a war, you know, and be like, I'm
uniting what? We're russian people, you know, I'm

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rebuilding, the russian empire. Well,
that would probably make him, in his own country, look very
good.

>> Big Charlie (22:36):
Think of him as, not as a president or even
a dictator. He's the czar.

>> Chip (22:42):
Yeah, yeah.

>> Big Charlie (22:42):
And he wants. And that's one of his things. His
legacy that he wants is that he has. He rebuilt
the russian empire. And you can't have the russian empire
without Ukraine, because
the brains of the russian empire and the Soviet
Union.
Were Ukraine.

>> Teacup (22:59):
He's even. He was even born in Ukraine himself,
was he? I think so.

>> Big Charlie (23:04):
No, he was from St. Petersburg.

>> Teacup (23:06):
That's what I read, that he was born in a town in
Ukraine.

>> Big Charlie (23:10):
We have a handy.

>> Chip (23:11):
It wouldn't surprise me, to be honest.
I mean, like, but, you know, we, Unless his name.

>> Big Charlie (23:17):
Crap.

>> Teacup (23:18):
People put all kinds of things out there. I could be mistaken.

>> Chip (23:20):
Well, I mean, Hitler was from Austria
and, Was it Stalin was from
Georgia, so.

>> Big Charlie (23:27):
No, doctor Google says. Doctor Google says his place
of birth was St. Petersburg.

>> Chip (23:34):
Well, yeah, that's a fun fact for those of you listening
that didn't know that the. That Hitler was
actually from Austria, even though he wanted to build
a great german empire. And,

>> Teacup (23:46):
All right, let's talk about that guy.

>> Chip (23:48):
Fine, fine. Okay. I didn't.

>> Big Charlie (23:51):
You didn't need today's evil, not yesterday's evil.

>> Teacup (23:53):
Yeah. Jesus. Although I
think it's all linked.

>> Chip (23:57):
It's all one big long book.

>> Teacup (23:59):
And I agree with you in that we can see
that evil and maybe be able to
prevent it.
and we've yet to do that,
but they have. Vladimir Putin has
such a grip on
the people in that country. and
I'm back to what's happening

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today. The Ukrainians are finally
making incursions into Russia, and they're, like, holding russian
territory now.

>> Big Charlie (24:26):
They are about 1212 hundred, I heard today
they're up to about 1200 square kilometers.

>> Chip (24:31):
So they're taking 200 a day.

>> Teacup (24:32):
And this is great. And I, you know, I'm gonna be honest. I don't
know about, like,
you know, I don't have never won against, I
said Ukraine's an insurgency. I think they
are, because I think.

>> Chip (24:47):
I can see the argument there that it.

>> Teacup (24:49):
I think people are going to say, oh, well, no, they're not insert.
Because insurgencies have negative connotations.
But you have. Hear me out.

>> Chip (24:58):
You have, it's an insurgency, but the insurgents are good this
time.

>> Teacup (25:01):
They're good. They are artists,
schoolteachers, farmers that have traded
in whatever tools they use for their original
crafts, for guns. And now they're all
hitters.

>> Chip (25:14):
Mm. They're all hitters. My buddy was a musician. Yeah.
guitarist, so.

>> Teacup (25:18):
And they're doing all these things with,
like, honestly, at the very
beginning, not the best equipment.

>> Chip (25:26):
Yeah. Not, they had old soviet air stuff.

>> Big Charlie (25:28):
Bunch old soviet era stuff. We sent them, we held them
off.

>> Teacup (25:32):
Long enough spares to get some of the bullshit
that we gave them to fix. The bullshit that they had,
that old soviet eradic
crap.
That the Russians are now realizing is
crap, and everything they have is crap. And they
are a crap country with.

>> Chip (25:48):
Crap people, and all they've got is a
lot of people, which even now they're starting to realize those people ain't
many.

>> Teacup (25:55):
M nobody is volunteering to fight in their army. That's why they had
to go to the conscripts.

>> Big Charlie (25:59):
Well, they say they are
recruiting because they're, because there's some little
vagaries of russian law here. They are only
allowed to put contract soldiers
into the ukrainian theater, so they have
to actually recruit these guys, and
they're having to pay them increasingly large
signing bonuses to get them to come fight.

>> Chip (26:21):
And caveat with that signing bonus of, you
have to be in theater for six
months or whatever. Most of these guys don't live that long.

>> Teacup (26:29):
That's great.

>> Big Charlie (26:30):
Yeah, good.

>> Teacup (26:30):
They don't need that. Good that. They are
gullible fucking losers. Their
money isn't worth a fuck. The ruble is
trash. It's only worth a fucking Russia. They
can't even flee Russia and go somewhere. They take their 1200
rubles or whatever. They got it. Every other country
would piss on that.

>> Big Charlie (26:49):
Well, their, interest rate,
the central bank just raised their interest rate. I think it
was 18 or 19%. Trying to stay,
trying to get a handle on the inflation. You know,
the government is pumping so much money.

>> Teacup (27:03):
It's a closed system with a 20%
inflation rate. That's fucking crazy.

>> Chip (27:09):
Yeah, well, and even when
their friends aren't even trading with them, like, China has already
kind of pulled away from them.

>> Teacup (27:16):
China does not want anything to do with this.

>> Big Charlie (27:18):
No.

>> Teacup (27:19):
Now, if Russia, this was the scary
part. I think, you know, kind of in the, in the middle
of the last two, three years is
where Russia was making those gains,
maybe a couple summers ago.

>> Chip (27:33):
Technically, they are still making gains
slowly. They are, but they're.

>> Teacup (27:39):
When you lose 1200 miles or kilometers of your own
country.

>> Chip (27:43):
Yeah.

>> Teacup (27:44):
You know, and I'm gonna be honest, I think the, I think the
Ukrainians, I think every military age male, they should just shoot
them. I didn't, like, drop just
I would take 60 millimeter mortars and just
hip fire those fuckers.

>> Chip (27:57):
Oh, my God.

>> Teacup (27:58):
M into the damn residences because, you.

>> Chip (28:00):
Know, I, and I would teal, I would.

>> Big Charlie (28:04):
Those are war crimes.

>> Teacup (28:05):
No, that's not true. There's military age males in there in the fighting
positions, fighting.

>> Chip (28:09):
He's starting to sound like a Russian.

>> Big Charlie (28:11):
You are so fighting positions
like, what's actually been happening is because the
Ukrainians are, in as they've been going into
Kursk have not been just
bulldozing and blowing up everything.
The Russians that are in there, a bunch of them, because it was a border
area, a lot of these, there's actually been some
funny videos of these little old babushkas

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popping out, talking to the ukrainian soldiers in Ukrainian
because. Yeah, they remember, you know, they
spoke Ukrainian as a child.

>> Chip (28:40):
They very well might be from there.

>> Big Charlie (28:42):
Yeah. But they, they're talking to
them and they're like, you know, one of them is really funny. Two of them, they
were trying to get somewhere and they were like, can you give us a
ride? We really, our legs hurt and we've got a long way to go
still. The guys are like, we totally would give you a
ride, but the back end is full of ammo. I don't have any
space.

>> Teacup (29:00):
I only got to save this for your brother.

>> Big Charlie (29:03):
But the Russians that are still there,
they're indifferent. They really are. They're. It's.

>> Chip (29:09):
I've seen them waving at the guys.

>> Big Charlie (29:11):
I heard. I actually watched a video where you could hear them saying, slava,
Ukraine, to the Ukraine.

>> Teacup (29:16):
And part of his, I think part of is what Chip was alluding to
earlier with them being the russian
people don't really like
Putin. He says he won 80 something percent
approval the fuck outta here.

>> Big Charlie (29:29):
No, it's all fake.

>> Teacup (29:29):
It's all fake. It's all fake. We know it's fake.
The only people that don't. Yeah, the only people that don't know
it's fake is some of these Russians. Some of these
Russians.

>> Big Charlie (29:39):
But I mean, most of the people, it's gotta know.

>> Chip (29:41):
They just don't want to believe it, that it's all fake.

>> Big Charlie (29:43):
But for them, it's the old. It's the old russian new boss,
same as the old boss.

>> Teacup (29:47):
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (29:48):
It's been this way for thousand. For a thousand
years. If it wasn't the czar,
it was the communists
acting like the czar and the boss.

>> Chip (29:59):
But when are they gonna realize, how long is it gonna take for them to realize
that the new boss always sucks.
Every single boss, same as the old boss. Thousand
years. The new boss has always screwed you over.

>> Teacup (30:10):
And it's. What I don't understand is how you keep, like, going
for that Life. Like, how
at, what point do you realize that, you
know, having somebody lord over you for
as long as they choose to does not
work out for you.

>> Big Charlie (30:26):
It's a cultural thing. They. They just don't.
That's just the way it's always been. It's the way
it will always be well.

>> Chip (30:33):
And I have a theory if you.

>> Big Charlie (30:36):
Life is just easier if you got somebody else telling you what to do
all the time.

>> Chip (30:39):
I have a theory about why that is today.
I think that throughout with all of
those leaders, right, their main way of
suppressing like
outside thought like that of, well, this guy sucks,
we should pick a new guy. They just killed him, took him out of the
gene pool. So for a, that for a thousand years,
they've basically bred people who are just like, eh,

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whatever, it's the same guy, whatever
that people that are born with that
mentality.

>> Teacup (31:08):
All right, speaking of these people that are stupid and
will vote against their own self interests,
we got a lot of republicans
in our own congress, because like,
everything you're saying right now, sounds like you support
Ukraine's efforts. Sounds like that you want to
help Ukraine and their efforts.

>> Chip (31:29):
I have helped.

>> Teacup (31:31):
What do we, what do we say to these fuckers?

>> Big Charlie (31:33):
We had to talk him out of going over there.

>> Chip (31:36):
I almost did. I was talking to a recruiter for the
third brigade.

>> Teacup (31:39):
I, remember talking to chip about this a
little bit and, you know,
I would put money in his
little gofundme or something if he did. I'm going to be honest
with you, I would, support him in his
endeavor. It's dangerous, though. It's a dangerous
life.

>> Chip (31:57):
I know that going in, see, and I still wish I
could.

>> Teacup (32:01):
I love that. Just make sure you have that same energy
for your own fucking country.

>> Big Charlie (32:06):
But I'm just looking forward to the beach party in Crimea when it's all
over.

>> Chip (32:09):
See, but I feel like if we did, that's like,
it seems so rude because it's like you
didn't do anything. And now all look at this american just showing up
like, yeah, so, so.

>> Teacup (32:22):
All right, cuz you're a young man, you're the, you are the
fuckers that would have to
fight something like this.

>> Chip (32:30):
I want to.

>> Teacup (32:30):
Okay, people
your age range.
So I'm really, I'm glad to know
that you support freedom.
Like that makes my pants a little tight,
but TMI, man.
But I want to know

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how are we going to keep this going? Because like
I said, there's a lot of people, mostly
Republicans, some
Trumps, I think all the
Trumps, ah, would rather support
Russia and their endeavor.

>> Chip (33:09):
firstly, among my generation, that
mentality, even among the guys in my
generation that I know that are, you know,
more Trump supporters, they don't agree
with that. Almost all of them that I've talked to about this
are like no. If the opportunity arose, I
definitely go fight against Russia.

>> Teacup (33:28):
I know. But if you're, if
you're a supporter of Trump or you're a supporter of
the congresspeople that are against
sending arms to Ukraine or against Ukraine and even
becoming part of NATO at some point,
if you're against that and those
numbers succeed,

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then what? How do you prevent that from happening?
How do you change that mind?
How do you deal with the conflict of being a
supporter of those people like Donald Trump or
maybe one of these other Republicans that
is against it? How do you
reconcile that?

>> Chip (34:09):
I don't know if you can, because
from my eyes, it's a very
simple equation of, you
know, someone who's willing to
just use power over people and wants that kind of
government or someone who wants freedom
and democracy. And I see that as a good versus
evil. And I don't think there's much you can

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do there.

>> Teacup (34:33):
I mean, and I only say this because this is, this should be a
concern because people who
think that Russia should be allowed
to succeed in their endeavors,
you know, people like Tucker. Tucker Carlson people
like, I really hate him.

>> Chip (34:50):
Well, imagine, I don't hate many
people.

>> Big Charlie (34:54):
I wish we'd prevented him from coming back from Moscow. That would have been
nice.

>> Teacup (34:58):
You notice Vladimir Putin doesn't keep
everybody like, that would have been a dude. His
tiger. Carlson comes from a very wealthy family. They would have
probably paid a lot of money to get him back.
Probably, probably not.

>> Chip (35:11):
But it was more valuable to Putin to
send a traitorous american home to
go spread more of his virus than
to keep him there.

>> Teacup (35:21):
Yeah. And that's exactly the case. And it works in that
situation, I think. but here in America, see,
this is why, this is why Tucker Carltail what a
bitch, huh? Getting
shit talked to by Vladimir Putin in Russia. And you
can't say nothing because he'll
kill you.

>> Big Charlie (35:39):
don't drink the tea.

>> Teacup (35:40):
Yeah, yeah. So you gotta sit there
and, and he was, you know, building it up to
be like a real interview.

>> Big Charlie (35:47):
Yeah, I'm gonna ask the tough questions. No, you're not.

>> Teacup (35:50):
But the point of this is because he was, Putin
was alluding to a history,
a history between Russia and Ukraine, where Russia
was the daddy that cradled
Ukraine.

>> Chip (36:02):
M.

>> Teacup (36:04):
And I think in that same interview, I think he
also stated that
Alaska has a history
with Russia.

>> Chip (36:14):
He did do that. And it
started a wildfire in us politics for that week because everyone was
like, does that mean he, because he said he
wanted to restore the borders of the russian empire.

>> Teacup (36:25):
If, if you are a person
that says, you know what, I think I might agree with
Vladimir Putin and say that
Ukraine historically are
Russians. Why not bring them back together?
I wonder.

>> Chip (36:41):
That would also mean Estonia and, yeah.

>> Teacup (36:43):
I wonder, though,
what they would say if Vladimir Putin said
that Alaska is historically
russian. Now he, after reuniting
Russia and Ukraine, he wants to reunite Russia
and Alaska. I wonder what we do then.

>> Big Charlie (37:01):
Well, he didn't say it, but
some of his media
surrogates on russian state
television RT did.

>> Teacup (37:11):
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (37:12):
and there were some, there was.

>> Chip (37:13):
A, oh, with that little like map thing, arrows.
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (37:17):
And there was this map somewhere that they, they put up on the
screen that had Russia going from Alaska,
from the canadian border with Alaska,
all the way over to, through
Poland. Poland, because pole parts of Poland at
one point were part of the russian empire
and all the way up through, in and including Finland, because

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Finland was part of the russian empire at one
time.

>> Chip (37:41):
Well, and even like, they, there was another.

>> Teacup (37:44):
What happens when the Italians want to redo their
empire? What happens when the British want to do
theirs and the Mongolians want to do theirs and the
Chinese want to do theirs? What happens
when the Mexicans want to
do theirs?

>> Chip (38:00):
They tried that.

>> Teacup (38:02):
no, well, you know, it didn't.

>> Chip (38:05):
Go very well for them.

>> Teacup (38:06):
I know. There was a different time, though.

>> Chip (38:09):
True.

>> Teacup (38:10):
you had people who were in office that
would have fought in that, and that did fight in
that. Ted Cruz is not fighting
any fucking Mexican for fucking anything.

>> Chip (38:21):
He's just like, oh, that sucks.

>> Teacup (38:23):
Yeah, well, we don't really need Texas. That's what he would
say. You know,
they're a fucking welfare state anyways.

>> Big Charlie (38:31):
Well, and you know, before World War
two, that's the way it was from the dawn of time up
to World War two. It was
strong, strong country take over weak
country. Right. And it was after World War two that
we established the so called rules based
order.
Of glo. And that was

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supported and was, was kept in line
by global trade ties
and the United States Navy, because it's
the United States Navy, ensures global trade
works.

>> Chip (39:05):
And that's why military, the
large web of military allies
throughout the world.

>> Teacup (39:11):
All right, say that one more time. It is the United
States who the.

>> Big Charlie (39:15):
United States Navy is.

>> Teacup (39:17):
What keeps the peace, is what keeps.

>> Big Charlie (39:19):
The peace and allows global trade to happen.

>> Teacup (39:21):
Are you telling me that there is an
organization that
takes in tax dollars because that's the only
way they can do it to protect the entire
world?

>> Big Charlie (39:34):
Pretty, much.

>> Teacup (39:36):
You're telling me that Donald Trump doesn't pay taxes.
You're telling m me that apple doesn't pay taxes? You're telling me
that Google doesn't pay taxes. Folks.
Chip, you're a young man. They'll send you to fucking
war.

>> Chip (39:48):
But they won't pay for it.

>> Teacup (39:49):
They don't want to pay for it. They don't want to fucking pay for
it. Fuck these people. Tax the rich, eat the rich.
But, this should really be
concerning,
because there's these
nationalists that are afoot.

>> Chip (40:07):
I don't see them as real nationalists, though.

>> Teacup (40:10):
No? No. Well, listen, I know that, you
know that, big Charlie knows
that, and, I'm pretty sure one c knows it.
Cause I'm, not gonna sit here and argue. She's probably smarter than all of
us.

>> Chip (40:21):
Yeah, probably.

>> Teacup (40:22):
I'm, not gonna.

>> Chip (40:23):
Actually, not probably. I know she is.

>> Teacup (40:26):
The point is, is
they claim to be nationalists. Nationalists
tend to focus more on
their nations and less on the rest
of the world, which is exactly
what some people would
want. Some leaders would want powerful

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nations to do.

>> Big Charlie (40:50):
Isolationism is what you're talking about. And
isolationism is what got us. Got us World War
two.
And got us world War one.
Yep.

>> Chip (41:02):
Every time a country turns itself inward, and I
see it as the country stews, it's like when you
sit in your room and you just sit there and you're all mad
about some problem.

>> Teacup (41:12):
And I loved the way.

>> Chip (41:13):
And by the time you come out of your room, you're just mad.
Way more mad than you probably should be about that problem.

>> Teacup (41:19):
I love how you just applied
an everyday thing in Life
to world politics. And I'm not
laughing because, like, I think people
think world politics is this
astronomically complex issue,
and it's, in my opinion, it's fucking

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not. They're people. You're
people. We're all people. We all have
wants and desires.
Hopefully we have a little bit of empathy to go along with all
that bullshit. And we
can recognize, the people that we are,
and we don't do jackassery like Putin. That's why I love
to see them Russians die instead of, like, they can go

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against. They can go against
whatever order was given to them. They don't have to go to
Ukraine and fight no wars in Ukraine. If they're. If
they're going there and getting shot in the leg and smoking themselves
anyways, fucking stay home. Let Putin
friggin, radioactive kill you or something, you
know? I don't know. You put some radioactive bullshit on your
doorknob.

>> Chip (42:24):
No, the water will kill you on its own, full of legs.

>> Teacup (42:27):
I just don't.

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I don't see a positive outcome for
him in this.

>> Chip (42:59):
Oh, no.

>> Teacup (43:00):
And I think pergosian led the way.
And just in case anybody forgot who that fucker was,
he was a dude that ran a
contracting company that was pretty
successful in Russia.
They were trashed. They were trashed. They sucked at their jobs for
people that don't understand.

>> Chip (43:17):
That's Wagner PMC, private military company. They were the
main ones fighting the grunt work in Ukraine
until they Pergolzion.

>> Big Charlie (43:26):
Got smoked, especially around Bachmut. And they were
the only.

>> Chip (43:29):
In the hardest places.

>> Big Charlie (43:30):
They were the only unit that was seeing any success.

>> Teacup (43:33):
Any success. But Pgrosians best
success was marching to
Moscow. He showed
Ukrainians the way. That's how you defeat
Putin. When Pragosha marched to
Moscow, he was welcomed
through a lot of these fucking towns. Most of them, most of
them nobody. There was no real

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effort to stop him.

>> Chip (43:57):
He actually picked up new guys along.

>> Teacup (43:59):
The way, he picked up new new heroes along the
way and then stopped when he got to Moscow. And
the interesting part to me is, is that,
you know, the horseback
riding, shirtless,
real man, Putin, that Donald Trump wishes he
could be. I hate that fucking Donald Trump. That

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fucker fleda.

>> Chip (44:20):
Yep.

>> Teacup (44:21):
He fled Moscow first. He left
his duty. He left his
position and fled out of fear
for his own life.

>> Chip (44:30):
Yep, he hit it. Hid in the Kremlin, refusing to
meet with Pergosian after Pergosian asked multiple
times to sit down and talk with him.

>> Teacup (44:38):
So Ukrainians, Ukrainians, he showed you the
way. Take some 60.
Some fucking rounds and hip fire those fuckers
into the Kremlin.

>> Chip (44:48):
That I'm down for, into the Kremlin. I would pay to
watch that.

>> Teacup (44:52):
And I guarantee you, if you get fucking
Putin and, some of them
oligarchs, you got to kill some of them oligarchs. Actually, all of them.
They're all pieces of shit. And then just like, do
something different in that country. I mean,
you can do something different.

>> Big Charlie (45:08):
The problem that we have, the country.

>> Chip (45:10):
In terms of resources, is so rich that if
they had a good leader behind the wheel, who would also
then be willing to.

>> Teacup (45:17):
Are you telling me there could be more wealth for more people?

>> Chip (45:20):
Crazy.

>> Big Charlie (45:21):
Probably the only way that happens, though, is if Russia
as we know it today breaks up into individual
countries. Because what?
It's too big. The geography is too big.
Honestly, right now, the Chinese could
walk right across their border with Russia and take
all of Siberia.

>> Chip (45:39):
There's nobody there.

>> Big Charlie (45:39):
All of they could take back Vladivostok because that used
to be theirs. That's outer Manchuria.
They could walk right across the border because all
those troops are over in Ukraine now. There's no
border guard, there's no nothing over that seaport.

>> Teacup (45:54):
Right.

>> Big Charlie (45:54):
A lot of ostoc over on the Pacific side.

>> Teacup (45:56):
They do actually have a navy there, though. That's the bulk
of their navy is.

>> Chip (46:00):
There, but their navy is not functional.

>> Big Charlie (46:02):
Yeah.

>> Chip (46:03):
it's not.

>> Teacup (46:06):
By sea.

>> Chip (46:07):
Drones, by remote control
boats. You know how they started making those?

>> Big Charlie (46:12):
They.

>> Chip (46:12):
No lie. Started buying the, those really cheap
remote control boats that you can get at any toy store.

>> Teacup (46:18):
Just bought them super cheap and strapped.

>> Chip (46:20):
C four to the top and then.

>> Big Charlie (46:22):
Scaled it up to jet skis.

>> Teacup (46:23):
That's why.

>> Big Charlie (46:24):
Then scaled it up to something, you know, more like
a skiff. You know, a skiff.

>> Teacup (46:29):
Yeah, that's why I like when, when, like, seeing.
And they did they, the Russians, do they
have, the Donbas, they have,

>> Big Charlie (46:37):
They've got Donetsk and most of
Luhansk, part of Donetsk,
part of Zaporizha, part.

>> Teacup (46:44):
Of Kherson regions, so. And this is, this is all on the eastern
coast, on the Black Sea.

>> Big Charlie (46:49):
Black Sea. The Azov Sea.

>> Teacup (46:51):
Yep. And, you know,
obviously Russia had Crimea in 2014,
and this is part of the reason why I said, you know, they're just doing
this for the food. They took the port first.
So they could control all the ships coming in and out of there.
so really it was about money and I think,
and you control the food, you control the

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masses, you know. Well,
knows that.

>> Chip (47:15):
I think they also took Crimea because they knew that if they could
break through the border with the strength that Ukraine was at
there, they could just go as far as they wanted.
well, which is why that's
the reason that I see they stopped there was because it
also is like they got as far as they could. There was a
natural stopping point there. Well, and they also
wouldn't look like absolute warmongers.

>> Big Charlie (47:37):
Crimea was important for the Russian Navy because
their primary port. They were leasing
part of the significant portion of the port of
Sevastopol from
Ukraine.

>> Chip (47:49):
Oh, I forgot about that.

>> Big Charlie (47:50):
And so, because that was their accent, that was their main
port for the Black Sea, which is how they get to the
Mediterranean for influence in the
Middle east and all of that. So
for them, taking all of Crimea was simply a matter
of, you know, this is our nate, this
is our naval base for this, for this

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region of the world, this region of the empire. It was their only
warm water port. Because all the rest of their ports are all
cold water ports. Most of their ports. They're up
in Murmansk. You know, their main submarine
base is up in Murmansk. Or they've got St. Petersburg, which. Oh,
yeah. Hey, NATO expansion, they couldn't even if they wanted
to right now, they could. Couldn't even sail out of St. Petersburg

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because they could be under blockade in a half a second.

>> Chip (48:34):
But only, half a second.
You think they wouldn't have them under a blockade the moment the
ship starts moving?

>> Big Charlie (48:41):
Perhaps I was giving a little credit. Might take
a little. Little response time.

>> Teacup (48:46):
See, I can't give them any credit, you know, because they talked all
this shit like them being a world power, but world war
powers don't lose 500,000 people in two years.

>> Chip (48:54):
Well, I just want to, actually, I want to. I want to thank the
Russian. I want to thank the Russians for showing us
themselves. No, because
they. By lying about how
strong they were to us,
they made us so much stronger. Because we were like, fine,
if you say you can do that, we'll just do better. and then they were

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like, oh, yeah, you can do that.

>> Teacup (49:16):
We'll do it better.

>> Chip (49:17):
We were like.

>> Teacup (49:20):
Way longer than they thought.

>> Big Charlie (49:22):
I forget what it was the, like when they. When we developed the f
15 fighter, right. I forget
which plane it was in response to, but they put out this.

>> Teacup (49:30):
Was it the mig.

>> Big Charlie (49:31):
It was one of the MiG, the MiG
25, maybe.

>> Chip (49:35):
I don't remember.

>> Big Charlie (49:36):
27. Anyway, I wasn't alive. 27. They basically,
they were like, oh, yeah, here's our new jet. They take it to
airship, european air shows, and show it off. All the stuff that
wicked could do. And we went,
okay, we need something to counter that.

>> Chip (49:49):
so.

>> Big Charlie (49:50):
So Northrop Grumman goes, we can do that. I
think it was Northrop Grumman. And they came up with the f 15.
And the f 15 turned out to be the best
fighter in the world. 104 to
104 to nothing so far.
And then, you know, they came out with the next thing, and we went,
okay, we came up with the f 22, the
scariest fighter.

>> Chip (50:11):
They were lying.

>> Big Charlie (50:12):
And lo and beholden, they were lying
the whole time. And we've come up with all of this
equipment, tanks, the Bradley fighting vehicle,
all this stuff
to counter their claims. And their claims were
crap.

>> Chip (50:28):
And what's even better is now our stuff is getting to be used,
and it's working just. It's working better than we thought it.

>> Teacup (50:34):
Was going to because they lied for some
things. The Russians the Russians do have,
the. Some, capabilities
and, affecting
the communication systems of some of
these.

>> Big Charlie (50:47):
Yeah, yeah. The electronic warfare
that's been fair.

>> Chip (50:52):
Both sides have that now.

>> Big Charlie (50:53):
Yeah. I mean, that's part of what made the Kursk offensive so successful
so far. As the Ukrainians led, all of their lead
units were just blasting. Ew.
So that. And the. And they knew
electronic warfare. Yeah, sorry. And they
knew that the russian troops in the area
didn't have the ability to counter it because they

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weren't equipped the way the guys in further south
were. And so that's part of how they've just been able to
walk in there.

>> Teacup (51:20):
And then I think sometimes too, like, as an
american, Right, as a person
that comes from a country who
was,
you know, a colony
not that long ago, really, you
know, ah, we were mistreated

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colonists, although my family
wasn't in this country until the
late 18 hundreds.

>> Big Charlie (51:47):
Yeah, mine too.

>> Teacup (51:49):
but, you know, still our
forefathers, you know, this is our country.

>> Chip (51:53):
So I'm the only one directly connected to that in this room.

>> Big Charlie (51:56):
This is the only one directly related to anyone who was
fought in the revolution.

>> Chip (52:00):
But that's the beautiful thing about America, people. We
let people in. We don't kill them.

>> Teacup (52:05):
So I think, like, as that,
you know, seeing from our perspective,
somebody that wants freedom, somebody wants the ability
to live their lives, run it how they
see fit. I
don't understand how you could not
side with the Ukrainians.

>> Chip (52:26):
Well, what's crazy, too, is that the Republicans have
historically been the,
I guess, more aggressive and more like, willing to go to
war. And, for whatever reason, because they're
talking, their main talking head there said,
donald Trump, we don't like this.

>> Teacup (52:43):
You know, he's, Vladimir Putin's personal cock
garage.

>> Big Charlie (52:48):
Have you ever seen the, like, the videos from when he,
when he and Putin were in some, you
know, private meeting and they come out
and, you know, Trump is usually all looking all
cocky, right? He came out of meeting with the. There
was a, there's a great video out there of him coming
out from meeting with Putin.

>> Teacup (53:07):
Was that when he kicked everybody out except for Putin's translator?
And was that the main.

>> Big Charlie (53:10):
I don't remember, but I mean, and, and Trump just
looks defeated. He just. His head's
down.

>> Chip (53:17):
Oh, and he was actually. Yes.

>> Big Charlie (53:19):
And you're like, oh, he just went to the
principal's office.

>> Teacup (53:23):
Yeah, he's probably not going to be able to
get Trump tower Moscow. Or
maybe Vladimir Putin's not going to give him any more
underage girls when he goes and visits
anymore. I don't know. Trump's a pedophile.
yeah. So
when I see this,

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I'm super encouraged.
People fighting for their country, you know,
I like seeing
young men like yourself. You get excited about this and you
want to see these people be successful. I care about you, so
I don't want you to just run off there.

>> Chip (54:03):
I came to the conclusion that I would probably get in the
way for a while before I figured
out because, you know, most of the guys that are over there
from the US or whatever have combat experience,
mostly veterans. Yeah. And I would give
for a while.

>> Teacup (54:17):
I know a few guys that went.

>> Chip (54:18):
Over there and not being able to speak the
language.

>> Big Charlie (54:22):
And, hey, if you're an f 16 driver, if you're a retired f
16 driver, they're looking for them.

>> Teacup (54:26):
Yeah. Yeah.

>> Chip (54:28):
That would be so cool.
Old f 16 guys that.

>> Teacup (54:34):
M that's out of a book, dude.
That's cool.

>> Chip (54:38):
Like, that'd be cool.

>> Big Charlie (54:39):
Flying tigers back in World War Two, before we got
involved in southeast Asia, they had, they had a bunch of
american pilots that went over and fought and flew with
the Chinese. they flew with the
Brits, the Australians,
as the flying tigers.

>> Teacup (54:56):
Here's the thing. When you're, when you're getting all this
equipment, because like we said earlier,
a lot of those people are, they're not military.
They are now. They're all fucking hitters now.
But at the beginning they weren't. They got in the way like
you. So you need
people to come over with this
equipment or, you know, I think we got training

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programs happening for some of this stuff or.

>> Chip (55:21):
Oh, yeah.

>> Teacup (55:21):
Or our allies have training programs for this. So these.

>> Chip (55:24):
Well, So I forget which politician it
was. It was one of our politicians said that we do have,
like, not operatives because they're not doing
operations, but like trainers over
there.

>> Big Charlie (55:36):
Advisors.

>> Chip (55:37):
Yeah. That are training people.

>> Teacup (55:39):
Sweet.

>> Chip (55:41):
Basically all of your ukrainian special forces
are trained by a mix of us, the Brits and the French.

>> Teacup (55:48):
That's a good mix to have training.

>> Big Charlie (55:49):
And they're doing a lot of the primary, primary
training, boot camp kind of stuff over in Poland.

>> Teacup (55:55):
And they. And honestly, they should be written. Those,
those countries are all. They share
borders with each other.

>> Chip (56:02):
Mm

>> Teacup (56:02):
Russians. On to them next.

>> Chip (56:04):
Well, and, like, states,
like, all that.

>> Teacup (56:08):
Help should be coming. And then we talk
about Victor, or
bond.

>> Big Charlie (56:14):
Oh.

>> Chip (56:15):
hm.

>> Teacup (56:16):
That sorry sack of shit. He's, he's
Putin's other cock garage.

>> Chip (56:22):
I'm gonna start using that now cocked garage.

>> Big Charlie (56:25):
That's a new one.

>> Teacup (56:26):
Yeah, they.
Although I think they're still doing stuff. Like,
they're not. They're not giving weapons or anything like
that.

>> Big Charlie (56:35):
He's trying to play both sides because,
you know, he sees, the writing.

>> Chip (56:39):
On the wall that they're gonna lose. But he also. He's
like, just in case Hungary is.

>> Big Charlie (56:44):
An EU member, Hungary is a member of NATO.
But at the same time, he, like,
he blocked the. I think
there was like, there was some. I think it was like six and a
half billion of aid that the European Union was going to
give. And he blocked it the
other day. And, I mean, so he's like, he's playing both

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sides, which I don't understand.

>> Chip (57:07):
Because it's like, you. You're in NATO.
Like, to see the writing on the wall.

>> Teacup (57:12):
Victor or bonds addicted, put in power
by Vladimir Putin and some of the
oligarchs in Russia. I know, but in order to have a.

>> Big Charlie (57:21):
I think he's been in power, like, 30 years or something,
I'm just like.

>> Teacup (57:25):
Well, he did lose that election.
Didn't Orban lose an election that wasn't there?

>> Big Charlie (57:32):
No, no, no. There was a. It was,
the european parliamentary elections.
His party did not get the majority
of seats to represent Hungary in
the european parliament. So there's some writing on the
wall that his days may be numbered, and they should
be.

>> Chip (57:50):
All these dictators are going down, dude, and I'm
down for it.

>> Teacup (57:54):
I don't. I came here to talk about
Ukraine. but
Orban's a player in this. He's a
scumbag.

>> Big Charlie (58:04):
oh, the guy in Slovakia, too.
Oh, who's that guy? He just got elected in
Slovakia, and he's Putin's bitch,
too.

>> Teacup (58:14):
Big.

>> Chip (58:15):
Charlie.

>> Teacup (58:18):
You'Re gonna get in trouble. You're not gonna be able to hang out with me.

>> Chip (58:26):
He's all about, like, the geopolitics and the
logistics and all that, versus. I'm like, nah, I just want to see
these guys go down.

>> Big Charlie (58:33):
You know, logistics wins wars, and,

>> Teacup (58:35):
The politics and logistics of it. He's not
wrong. That's. Honestly, that's the most important
part, because, like, we wouldn't. We wouldn't be
here if Russia
really did have a real
election.
You know, they don't have that. We wouldn't be
here talking about this if,

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you know, Vladimir Putin, Washington, I don't know,
because that other guy that they
were switching, Medvedev. Yeah, he's
a scumbag, too.

>> Big Charlie (59:07):
He is. And they did that because they had to
put on the air that there was a constitution that was.
So Putin became prime minister, Medvedev
became president, and then they,
amended the constitution to allow Putin to
serve for Life.

>> Teacup (59:24):
Right?

>> Big Charlie (59:25):
And so he got air quotes,
elected to be president again and has been ever
since. But the
funny part was he was actually put. Put in
power by, Oh,
crap. I just had his name in my head. who's. Who was the president
of the Russian Federation initially? No, right after the
fall of the Soviet Union. Oh, that guy Yeltsin.

>> Chip (59:47):
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (59:48):
Yeltsin picked
Putin to be the next leader because Putin was this
sort of unknown KGB agent.
And he just goes, you know, head of the.

>> Teacup (59:59):
What's this guy? What's the worst he can do?

>> Chip (01:00:01):
Yeah.

>> Big Charlie (01:00:02):
And he just goes, yeah, what's the worst this guy can do? Okay, you're it. And
Putin goes, really, rubs his hands together and spends the
night as.

>> Chip (01:00:08):
All of his little KGB brain cells are like, what can I do with this
position?

>> Big Charlie (01:00:11):
Yeah, he's been there for 30 years.

>> Teacup (01:00:13):
It reminds me of like a Stephen Miller
type or a, or a Bannon type.

>> Chip (01:00:19):
Is it bad that I don't know who either of those people are?

>> Teacup (01:00:23):
Well, yeah,
well, kind of. Because, like, how do you
prevent Putin
from happening in your own country if you don't know
the people that are trying to make
a dictator in your own country?

>> Chip (01:00:40):
Well, because when I see a dictator, I
feel a sickness that, also
brews a rage inside of me.

>> Teacup (01:00:47):
So. But
we have.
We have to understand how. And I'm glad you mentioned
how he, how he came to be. He was A.
Vladimir Putin was a KGB officer.
I was unaware of Yeltsin. Just like, kind of like
throwing his name out there. But,

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we have to. We have to understand how this stuff
happens because we got to protect against it. I'm m
happening in our own country. And, you know, we
see project 2025. We talked about it on the last
episode. and that, and then we look at some of
the supreme court cases that have happened recently.
and so, like, they are kind of like

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how Russia took Crimea first.

>> Chip (01:01:31):
Mm

>> Teacup (01:01:31):
Like they're setting up the
bigger thing. They're getting ready for the bigger
thing. So, yeah, it does. It
does cut me a little bit when you don't know who
the fucking players are, buddy.

>> Chip (01:01:44):
Well, now I'm gonna have to go do research. I'll do my homework. It's
all right.

>> Teacup (01:01:47):
All right. I'm gonna be done for tonight.

>> Chip (01:01:49):
Okay.

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Slava Ukraina

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Slava Ukraina

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