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April 6, 2025 49 mins
The Nebraska-based folk Americana trio known as The Wildwoods join me on my #podcast to talk about their new album, “Dear Meadowlark,” an homage to their home state. In this episode, Noah + Chloe Gose speak with me about writing, producing, recording + life on the road. Check it out!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey there, thanks for joining me here in my little
corner of the world. Over to you. I really appreciate
you stopping by and listening or viewing. We're here also
on YouTube as well, and all the platforms where this
gets syndicated, including Amazon Music probably my favorite player out
of all of them. I listen to a lot of

(00:20):
my music on Amazon. It's just a really good format
for me to access a lot of the favorite music
that I listen to whether I'm on those morning runs
or driving into work or whatever I'm doing. Anyhow, I
speak with this wonderful group of musicians. It's actually two

(00:41):
of them from this band called the Wildwoods. They are
a young couple. They are on their fourth album, this
one is called Deer Meadow Lark, and they are from Nebraska.
I don't think I've had anybody from Nebraska on this program.
Now over one hundred and fifty episodes. As we get

(01:01):
into this, now what over four years I've been doing this.
This is now February of twenty twenty five as I'm
recording this. Might be listening to this in March of
twenty twenty five, whenever I released this. Anyhow, I speak
with a really, really wonderful couple and they are so talented.
They can do it all, singing, guitar, violins, all the

(01:24):
great stuff that they can play. And they have a
great new album. It's out wherever you get your music,
check out The Wildwoods. You've got to listen to our
interview to get the exact RL, but you could look
them up. They are just amazing and traveling all over
the country and who knows, maybe the world very soon.
But they are just incredibly gifted musicians who've come out

(01:48):
with this just really sonic album that you will just
absolutely be floored by. It's a really great story and
they're just I can't get over how young they are. Anyway,
they are really on the road to a lot of success.
I really really wish them well and take a listen.
Are you doing this morning? Good? How are you great? Great?

(02:12):
And you are all in your lovely home state of
Nebraska at this moment, or are you on the road?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
We are at home. Our bass player Andy is still
in Colorado. He stayed there a couple extra days and
decided not to drive because there was a huge snowstorm
last night.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So he met a girl at one of our shows
and so so he stayed a few days too.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, maybe, but that's okay. Yeah, Hey that's great. Yeah,
especially Yeah, it's you got to be careful out there too,
so hopefully that will end up pretty good then yeah, yeah, definitely.
So yeah, you're in Nebraska. No, specifically we're in Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
We're in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Lincoln and total natives from that area.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, we sure are more here in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
So I'm fascinating. I don't really meet too many from Nebraska.
May I met maybe one person from Omaha age as
it goes, so you don't really hear a whole lot
much about that. So growing up, how was it there
and how much were you exposed to culture and music?
I mean it's not really rural. I mean Lincoln's a

(03:26):
big city, yeah, people.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I feel like people don't really know that when they
think about Nebraska. They just think about like farmland and
nothing but Lincoln in Omaha cities. And I feel like
we grew up at least no way, and I did
very musically cultured, and I wouldn't have to say that's
because of our parents just putting us in music lessons
and then us also always wanting to be involved in

(03:50):
musical activities. But I will say a lot of our
friends at school, because we both grew up going to
private schools, they were not that into music. We didn't
have a lot of like friends that were doing music
like we were. And I think that's why we gravitated
towards each other because we met when we were fourteen.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So our moms were Catholic school teachers. Wow, so we
just there. Lincoln has like a bunch of these little
Catholic schools that all come together to one high school.
Going when you go into high school, you know, there
wasn't an orchestra at these Catholic schools. Chloe would have
to go to the public school for to do any

(04:34):
kind of orchestra, and there was still band. They were
just they're just you know, seemed to be we developed,
just just trying to work together as best we could
to you know, learn how to play together on our own.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
And yeah, and then Lincoln in places like that, I mean,
and this happens all over the country. It's like the
arts is not really as emphasized as it really should be.
So I mean you had more of those practical kind
I mean in their minds, practical kind of careers. They
try to stare everybody too, we're teachers or your family,

(05:13):
trying to stare you into those so called practical areas.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think so for a little bit. But I will
say both of our parents, especially when we got into college,
and we told them, like for you, it wasn't even
a question, like music was always what you are going
to be doing. And I kind of like went back
and forth with what I wanted to do with my life.
But my parents were pushing me to do music, and

(05:37):
they've always both sets have always been very supportive of
what we do for a living. And I mean, it's
kind of it's the non conventional career path that we've
chosen because we're musicians on tour most of the year,
and that's kind of a weird thing, especially for people
in Lincoln, Nebraska, Like not a lot of people do
that here, so it's probably weird for them to tell

(05:58):
people that we do that that's what their kids do.
But they've always supported us in doing that.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
That's great to hear that, because you don't hear that
about it a lot, especially you know, coming from the
Midwest of Plain States in the middle of the country.
So that's fantastic that they supported you like that. So
how did it all begin for your families? There are
they first generation? Your parents? Second? How did everybody settle
in Nebraska?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
My parents' parents also lived in Nebraska. I guess I
don't know yours too, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I didn't trying to trying to think of the family
line here. I know there were like farmers from gosh,
like Germany and the eighteen hundreds maybe, and then they
moved over to Kentucky and were farmers in Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, that's the typical stories like that. Yeah, because obviously
the agriculture it's very uh stress and neck of the woods.
So growing up though, who inspired you growing up musically?
Who did you stumble upon the local radio stations that
you you came across?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
You go first, you have a cute story, sure, you know,
I uh, you know, my my parents I guess just
like kind of listen to all all kinds of music,
you know, so there wasn't a just one genre of
being played in the household.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
My dad is a huge John Prime fan. Yeah, so
hearing Prime when I was younger, I thought it was
his songs were just so funny and it was kind
of you know, the first time I just remember like
really actually like listening to the lyrics of music, you know,
is when you know, when you're a kid, you know,

(07:52):
you sing along with stuff, but you don't really you
don't really take it in, I guess. And so I remember,
you know, just really loving those John Ryan songs and
just feeling really inspired to try to write my own songs.
And I had been in piano lessons, but I was
unfortunately a very defiant child, and so I would try

(08:15):
to not practice anything my piano teacher would give me,
and I was just kind of obsessed with just wanting
to learn chords, chord progressions and whatnot. And you know,
hearing John Prime and just like hearing, oh, these you know,
these chords are there's like two, three, sometimes four chords involved.

(08:37):
And so I started try writing my own little songs
with that, and then you know, through John Prime, discovering
other folk artists like of course Bob Dylan and Joni
Mitchell and Cosmisils Nash and young.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
You went through phases though when you were younger, like
you were in a huge Beatles phase when I met you.
That was like your favorite band. You also really loved
radio Head, and Weezer. You went through a Weezer phase.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Weezer was my first favorite band, which is, I know,
quite different from what we do, but it is.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I was just thinking that this music is just like
no other and to hear that is really fascinating. But
you know, that's there's always elements of stuff like that
that inspire you and you pick up from that and Weezer,
from the Beatles to Weezer and all that, but that
all forms a nice base for you well.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
And it kind of in the midst of my Weezer obsession,
I came home from some like boy scout camp over
the summer. I was like maybe sixth grade, and my
dad was watching Across the Universe, the movie with Beatles music,
and I remember walking in on the hay ju'de scene.
I think that was just like a turning point in

(09:56):
my life. The song just like grab Meow and it was, yeah,
oh weird.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Anyway, it's it's a it's a true earworm. And I
think that that a lot of people will go back
to the Beatles in our modern day music. It's all points,
most points lead to that and yeah, hey, Jude, I'll
never forget this. So like somebody took the nonn on
out chorus and like looped it. This was when I
was a kid. Beatles had broken up for a couple

(10:27):
of years at that point, but like, yeah, really a
lot of fun. Yeah, definitely, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I think I just wanted to learn every Beatles song
after that, which is really you know, teaches you a
lot about songwriting. Learning other people's song especially the Beatles.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, and Paul mccurtney himself has visited Nebraska as well,
so I hope you would have had a chance to
see him. It's just it's so fun when he brings
all that stuff back up.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
We have not had a chance to see him yet, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Our bass player Andy is a huge Pal McCartney fan
and he's seen him in concert a few times.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, we have yet.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's a lot of songs he does. It's just amazing
he's still keeping it up. It's just very inspirational too
to see that you two get to have a career
in music and go on for decades. And so it
all started for you guys. You met very young obviously,
and how did all this mesh together and where you

(11:27):
are today?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, it's it's kind of a wild been a wild journey,
but it doesn't really feel like it, because we've always
been doing music together. And when we met through mutual
friends because we didn't go to the same middle schools,
and we met the summer before we went to high school,
but we found out that we both live in the
same neighborhood even though we went to separate schools, and

(11:50):
that summer we kind of just met and figured out
that we both played music and then started playing music together.
And at the time, I was only played music with
my brother. That was like the only other person I
knew that played music outside of like school band. So
we would just learn like instrumental songs and go down

(12:10):
to the farmer's market on Saturday mornings in Busk for
a few hours to make some extra money. And then
when we met you, you started doing that with us
every Saturday morning, and from there we started the Wildwoods,
even though and it was the three of us at
the time, but we started it with a different band name,
and we've kind of just evolved over the years and

(12:33):
kept it going.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
How did you come up with the name the Wild Woods?
What's the origin? For everybody who's listening.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
We kind of we kind of remember differently. I remember
just we couldn't drive yet. I think we were only
we were only fourteen time, and Loloye's mom was driving
us around because we were just having a terrible time
coming up with a name, because we our first name
that we chose was slap Happy, which is you know, terrible.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, yeah, maybe a song or something for another band.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't know why we chose that. We used to
like do percussive things on our guitars. I think maybe
that's why.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
But yeah, but I think I remember your your mom
just driving us around and we were just like we're
looking at signs, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
To try to strike up inspiration. And I think there's
a wildwood road somewhere.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
There's like a wildwood road, there's a wildwood lake. There's
there's lots of wildwood around. Colin Lloyd of the December
has a book like Into Into the Wildwood, and so
they were just like lots of wildwood things. I guess
that we kept seeing that. I think I think it
just worked its way into our brains.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
So and you went through school, where did you go?
Did you both go to college? You're basically went straight
up into music.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
So we so we uh, you know, we went to
high school together and then we went to college for
one year and then took a gap year to try
to do music full time. But then, you know, being
eighteen nineteen years old music doing music full time is
definitely not fun all of the time. Oh yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
A lot of hard work.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's fun a lot of the time, but there's a
lot of non fun work involved in it. And I
think that that just was a reality that we faced
in kind of that gap year that we took where
we realized that it was you know, we just didn't,

(14:45):
I just we did. We're not at the place yet
where we felt like we were putting in the work
and it would pay off with it taking off, I guess.
So we went back to school.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, we kind of thought if we didn't go back
to school, we never would, So we're like that was
a good I mean, it was a good year for
us to do some touring and and just kind of like, yeah,
see the reality of what it would really be like
doing music full time. And then we went back to
school and graduated in twenty twenty one, and then from there,

(15:18):
literally on graduation day, we skipped graduation because we had
a gig, but that we started touring right after that.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, and we you know, I think having that realization
that we just like warn't to the place where we
were ready. I guess during that gap here through the
rest of the three years of college, I think gave
us a lot of opportunity to really, you know, work
up more music, you know, just kind of work up

(15:48):
our skills not only in music, but also you know,
in the music business world. And yeah, just because there's
so many, so many avenues that we hadn't even thought
about of things that are just very much important for
being a musician in the modern world. So I think
we were much more ready after graduation. It just gave

(16:09):
us time.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, I think it's so important to do a gap
year these days. It's like kind of been a trend,
but you don't want to make that two or three
years because, yeah, because then you're out of that groove.
So it's good to kind of find yourselves during that say, hey,
you know, you do have a lot of years of
how to use so you know, you could figure it out.
So where did you all both go to school as

(16:33):
far as secondary education and.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
All that went to the University of Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Lincoln, Yeah, popular the school in the States, and.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
That we did kind of look at out of state schools,
you did more so than I did. But then we
we got married during that gap year that we took
at school, and we were just like, this is going
to be the cheapest option, and it's just the safe
because our family's.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Here wouldn't have been able to afford it.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
But and it turned out to be a blessing because
we now we like travel all the time for what
we do.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
And Nebraska is so cheap. Yeah, and so you know,
well then I kind of moved we kind of moved
in together around around I think we were twenty and uh,
I think with how cheap Nebraska is, it allowed us
to save up a good decent amount of money versus
you know, we we have friends that live in big

(17:31):
cities and do music, and of course, you know, you know,
they're they're doing what's what's right for them, but of
course they are the cost of living is higher, so
they have to have other little little jobs here and
there versus kind of back then, I feel like we
were a bit lucky to be here because it was
cheaper to live and so we could save up money
a little bit easier and kind of be more prepared

(17:54):
for a life of touring after after graduation.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, these days, especially where you can
record and everything, you don't have to go to New
York or La Chicago, any of the big cities. You
can really do this from just about everywhere. It's just
where you're gigging, you know, that can make the money
and where you're showing up as you've learned, and you've
already got some time on the road. So how does
it work for you guys as a couple being in

(18:20):
this You're not the first couple to be in the
music business. How do you, guys, you know, work your
time out together, get it all together. You're working and
you're together personally.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good question, because I feel like
a lot of people don't really maybe they think about it,
they just don't ask us. But I think we're just
so used to working together and in this capacity of
like a creative capacity, and I think we make a
really good team in that way, and maybe that's why
it doesn't feel it doesn't feel like a hard barrier

(18:57):
for us. I mean, sometimes it's challenging when we're very
busy on tour, and like all we're doing is working together.
But like Noah has strengths that I don't have, and
the same goat like vice versa. We we just work
really well together. Like I feel like I'm more pessimistic

(19:17):
about things and you're more optimistic, which is a nice
balance because sometimes I'm helping you see the reality of like, oh, no,
we have to do something this way, but then you
are like the dreamer in the team, which is very necessary.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
No I think that we have both developed a very
uh I guess we both accept criticism very well, which
I think is something that developed just because we've we've

(19:55):
been doing this, we've been doing this together for so long,
and you know, we're we're still we're still sensitive individuals,
but that just like I don't think has any Like
we're very much open to each other's ideas, and we've
we've heard of many many bands breaking up because of

(20:17):
disagreements or you know, being unable to take criticism. And
I think that's part of the reason why we've been
able to stay together for so long, is because you know,
being in in such a collaborative group, we just have
to be open open to criticism at all times. And

(20:38):
open to any and all ideas. And I think we've
just kind of have created this system over the last
thirteen years or so where, you know, I think things
are just easy in that regard. I think that there's.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Most of the time, most of the time in terms.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Of like songwriting and on everything else, is there has.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
To be like a level of trust in some capacity
like that we just trust each other to handle things
and that we have the right ideas on certain things. Yeah,
more than like criticism. I don't really like that word
that much like with how we work together, because I
don't think we're very like critical of what each other's doing,

(21:20):
but very open minded.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah. Well, so you figured out very early on who's
doing vocals, who's doing what instruments? How did you learn
all these instruments too? You got all kinds of stuff
on here, violins and obviously guitar. You figure that out
quite early, it looks like. And you all seem to
sing in the group too, most of you do.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, all three of us sing. And I guess when
noahen I met, piano was your main instrument, but you
also played the guitar, and I played the guitar as well,
but not as good, not as good as Noah did,
but violin was my main instrument. And so that's like
when we started playing together. We just were always learning
songs that way, and we both liked to sing. And

(22:07):
I wouldn't say our voices were the best voices when
we were fourteen years old, but we learned how to
grow them together and fit them really well together. And
then Andy. It's kind of unique because Andy went to
high school with us and he was also in choir
with us, and he's very musical and did music in
college for a little bit too, So I think he's

(22:28):
just learned really well how to how to fit himself
into like because he's played with other bands too, how
to fit himself into other bands and be like a support,
a very good support in that way. And I think
that's why our voices work. Really. The three of us
work really well together because we've also done choir since

(22:50):
we were in high school and just know how to
work with other people.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and Andy does the upright bass, and that's not easy.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
No, it's not. And he started. I think that's really
cool because he started on electric bass when he was.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Playing with us from twenty seventeen until twenty twenty two. Yeah,
he was playing electric bass and then just switched upright
back in the summer of twenty twenty two. Right, yeah,
and so he's a but Andy, you know, and Andy's
Andy has adapted so well to the upright bass, and
he was very uncomfortable at first on it, but to

(23:27):
where you know, we when he started playing it was
just for our videos that we would make here at
our house.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Because the upright looked better than the electric bass.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
And then the videos started doing well and we have
we're having more people come to our shows, and people
would seem often disappointed that he wasn't playing the upright
bas and so which he still he would play the
upright then locally, just trying to get it, you know,
get his uh, his his hours in on it, but

(23:59):
still tour with up with electric because you know, the
umpire basis takes up so much space. So he got
this base made by Charlie Chadwick a little over a
year and a half ago, I think, where the neck
like folds into the back of the body, and so
then he was able to start taking it on tour

(24:20):
and I think since then just his his chops has
just become I think he's better now and upright than
he was on electric, which you know that's saying a lot,
because he's great, great player at both.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
So okay, and you're now on your fourth album. This
is unbelievable. His guys are so young. So you got
you already got a discography going here, you got a
good compilation of stuff to play live as well. But
this is the fourth album. Dear meadow Lark, How did
this all come about? And I would inspire that title?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, so are the guy Ben? His name is Ben.
He who's recorded all of our stuff for us since
we were in high school. He recently moved to Los Angeles,
and right before he knew that he was going to move,
he told us and he was like, if you guys
want to do one more project with me, that would
be awesome before I leave. And we, I mean, you

(25:16):
had not even all the songs written yet.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
I emailed him and I said, I want to do
a four song EP before you leave, Ben, And then
he emailed me back and he said, you know, he
asked how many dates we want a book with him?
And then like at the time, I was in the
midst of like writing a few other songs and I
was just feeling overly optimistic maybe and then I told him,

(25:42):
never mind, we're gonna We're gonna record an album. And
then Chloe saw the email that I had sent, said,
you just tell Ben that we're going to record an.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Album because we didn't have any songs.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
You didn't have any songs.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And it was like in a month. No, it was
like I think it was like a month that we
had to get ready for it.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
But I but I told her, you know, I had
the songs. I knew that we could work up the arrangements.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
This is where like the optimism comes in and I'm like,
I don't know if we can do this.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
These are these are my favorite moments. I feel like
I work best arranging like under pressure a little bit. No,
it's the excitement and so you know it quickly arranged.
I mean there were there were like four or five
songs that were completely done arranged. I just hadn't learned
them yet. Yeah, and so just quickly arranged and finished

(26:32):
the rest of the other five or other six and
then we got we got him down. We were happy
with him, and then yeah, we was recorded over over
five days at his studio in Omaha. Which you know,
he Ben used Ben Brody, and he used to be
the house engineer of Studio B at Arc Recording Studio,

(26:56):
which is where is the studio owned by Connor Oberst
and Mike Mogus from Bright Eye, and so we used
we used to do a lot of our stuff there.
But these last two albums we've done in Ben's studio,
just at his house, in his basement, just because he
made it's a you know, it was a pretty small studio,
but he just made such a great space. And being

(27:18):
in a big, huge, professional studio can feel quite overwhelming
and a lot of times makes me feel kind of nervous.
So being in a home setting just feels much more relaxing.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
It does, yeah, And I feel like that setting fits
the music really well because this album, compared to our
other ones, is like a little bit more stripped down
or more organic to what we do as a trio now,
and all of the songs, the whole thing is kind
of about It's about Nebraska. It's about our home state

(27:51):
and just the love that we have, the love and
appreciation we have for it and how much we miss
it when we're on tour, which our last our album
before this one that we're putting out was all about
like touring in the different places that we went on
the road and the people that we met, and just
how awesome and exciting that was those first few years

(28:13):
of us graduating and just getting into music full time.
So this is like Dear Metal Lark. Metal Lark is
the state Nebraska state bird, and it's kind of just
like a love letter to our home.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
The whole album is so yeah, yeah, I love that
title track. It's just you know, your acappella is just
like how you guys really rehearse that. I'm just so
amazed by a cappella how you have that section and
you get into it like that.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
That was a so that was a very last minute edition.
We had recorded the whole album thinking that the second track,
Sweet and Ibara, would be the opening track, and this
was after we finished recording at Ben's and I yeah,

(29:06):
just kind of woke up one morning and was just
thinking that Sweet and Ibara was not the not the
best opening track for the album. I was like listening
through some of the rough mixes and uh, yeah, I
don't know. I just thought, what if we do do
an a cappella thing for it?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
That and we did practice it together like a bunch
before we recorded it.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, just because you know that we have to be
much more. I mean, we're we're already very aware and
very you know, that's kind of our Our whole thing
that we focus on during practices is blending of voice,
trying to you know, blend together as if we were
we were one voice. But that is much more apparent
if if somebody's sticking out too much in an a

(29:54):
cappella track. And so yeah, we practiced blending for that
quite a bit, and just you know, making sure all
of our vowels were couldn't like the correct puzzle pieces.
And we recorded that opening track here at our little
little home studio and then sent it off to bend
a mix since it was kind of a after the
after the fact type of thing.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, and and talk about practice, it must have been
a lot to do a lot of practice with the
violin for poster Child. That's just very heavy on that.
That must have been a real huge exercise.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, I feel like Poster Child wasn't as difficult as
some of the other tracks, like Dear Stranger on the
album and Under the Rug. Those two were the most
difficult ones for me to get down, just because Noah
arranges a lot of the like most of the string

(30:49):
parts for everything. And we went into the studio and
you hadn't even like given me the music yet for
those two songs, so I was like trying to learn
it as I was recording it, and it wasn't working
out that day. I was like, I just need like
a day for me to sit with this. So those
violin parts, I think just for those two songs we

(31:09):
actually recorded at home and then sent the tracks over
to Ben to mix them in the poster. Child wasn't
even though it sounds very epic and big, it wasn't.
That one wasn't very difficult to get down.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
No one, I hear a little bit more of that
country ish feel. I will follow you to well O.
You must have had like some serious country influence as
you were forming as musicians.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I say, I think we listened to a lot
of like Willie Nelson when we were growing up. My mom,
my mom and dad would always play Neil Young, which
I don't know if that's considered country, but.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
My dad's a huge I know, I said John Prime, Well,
he's also a huge Shania Twain fan.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Twain lover Energy. Yeah, she's great.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh yeah, you know the chicks as well, and you know,
Alan Jackson was also another artista has played a lot
around Randy Travis for sure.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So so these artists that that yeah, wouldn't of course,
you know today wouldn't wouldn't really be considered modern country
just because of the direction that country music has has gone,
you know. But I think that was still they were
still coming out, you know, late late eighties throughout the nineties,
you know, still coming out at a time with you know,

(32:34):
very organic feeling or seeming country music. And so yeah,
I think growing up with that and just a multitude
of other of other other genres being heard. I don't know.
I think we pull pull influences from all all sorts
of places. But I think country has definitely worked its
way a little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And it's about Willow a community and Nebraska that you
must you have a lot of memories with that community.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Uh, not, not at all. I think I just had
just the original can It was. It was more like me,
let me try to gather my thoughts here. So Willow
was I just had seen a sign for Willow on
the side of the road when we were driving and

(33:26):
I didn't know that there was a Willow, Nebraska. And
you know, I really liked that that name Willow. I thought,
I think that's just a beautiful word. And so I
wrote it down and I had this I will follow you. No, No,
I just had this this melody that for for a
long time for that song, and yeah, it just had

(33:48):
had fit. And so but I think I think it's
still worse because it's it's less like I'm following you
to a place and more like, you know, I'll follow
you wherever you go, you know. And so yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
So just like a total random inspiration. You're on the road,
you're in Dawson County. It's looking around, ass like, oh yeah,
there's a song. It's just funny how that hits you. So,
like with a lot of artists, do you go old
school start writing down ideas or getting into the old
droid or your Apple and just decide, hey, I'm going
to just write this down and save it for later,

(34:24):
put it in my pocket A lot.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Actually, that's like how most most of our songs get
written is starting with lyrics on my notes app on
my phone.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
But it's not even full lyrics. Sometimes it's just little
ideas like that, like little phrases that you hear, And
when Noah's writing, it's a lot of the time you
do have like the melody that comes first before the lyrics,
even though I know you don't you say it's harder
to write it that way. But I hear him writing
songs and he's like mumbling just words and eventually they

(34:56):
morph into actual words that mean a lot. And Willow
was one of those songs in particular, because it's it's
a love song. It's like very intense sounding, so a
lot of people wouldn't think of it. I guess at
first listen that it's that kind of a song, but yeah,
it's it's beautiful. How just like that one word that

(35:18):
you saw on a random sign turned into like I'll
follow you throughever, like wherever you go, throughout whatever you're
going through, I'm always going to be here for you.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, it fit, I think because I'd written the verses
when we were in a Savannah, Georgia, where you know
there are all these willow trees, yes, yeah, everywhere. Yeah,
I think just driving in Nebraska and seeing a sign

(35:51):
for Willow it just was you know, oh, you.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Know, yeah, you guys get around. I didn't know you
came all this way. I'm in Georgia as well. I'm
in the Atlanta area, so you must go coast to coast.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
It sounds like, oh yeah, yeah, quite often we've we've
made it down to Georgia.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
So yeah, we're actually playing in Atlanta coming up. I
think it's in June sometime, okay.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Of twenty twenty five, so should this go into the
time capsule June to twenty twenty five, you'll come to
the Atlanta area, hope to maybe check you out, and
it should be hopefully a great How is it in
the live shows? Do you get these great responses? As
at very What kind of venues do you play?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, so you know it's small theaters and listening rooms.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
It's been it's been a slow climb for us, just
because you know, we we we started touring in twenty sixteen,
you know, during all of our breaks that we would
have from from school and whatnot. But then twenty twenty
one we started touring pretty much full time, you know,
being out for two, three or four weeks and then

(36:59):
coming back for a week or two it's just kind
of in the cycle since twenty twenty one, and for
a while it was it was a slow burn where
we weren't playing we weren't playing any ticketed shows. And
over the last year has been kind of our start
of or maybe last two years has been ourself.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, we kind of we started playing ticketed shows like
in twenty twenty one when we graduated school. But it
was different then because touring right after COVID like was
a huge thing, was very weird. Like at first when
we went on the road, our shows were great and
people were coming out and like, finally it felt like

(37:38):
we could play a real show again. But then halfway
through that, COVID started to get bad again, so we
went home and we were like, we need to refigure
this out.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
But through the majority of kind of that first phase
of tour and we were doing like three four hour
brewery gigs most of the time, which, yeah, Grace are great,
I love breweries, but brewery gigrew gigs every night is
not the.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
No, you don't ever really do gigs like that anymore
unless we like do something locally for fun. Yeah, but
like the people, now we've been able to sell more
tickets and have really good crowds come out to our
shows because of social media, which like it's a love
hate relationship because sometimes I feel like we're slaves to
the algorithm and just like constantly trying to put put

(38:27):
out information to people, just saying like, hey, come to
our shows, Hey listen to this song. But it also
is a beautiful thing because thousands of people that we
would have never been able to reach just by touring
have found our music and now they come out to
our shows and really appreciate what we're trying to do.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
We had a few exciting moments on this last month
long tour that we just got back from, where we
had just a couple breaking record breaking of our own
of our own record ticket sales. I think we we
had like two hundred in San Francisco, which was we
never had that much outside of Nebraska. And then we

(39:05):
did like three hundred people in Phoenix, Arizona, which was
which is a very exciting, Which was very exciting, and
we we kind of go through these stretches where you know,
there's it feels like there's no like uptick in in
you know, if we're getting our name out there, but
then you know, there's little little strides happening and it

(39:25):
feels very very inspiring and exciting and kind of you know,
keeps keeps us going. I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
They always say that live music, doing it live is
where it's lucrative as far as your business goes. But
like making anything off of streaming or royalties, how does
that all work out for you as a band too,
because do you all split royalties? How does that all
work right now?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
We don't, just because we don't make like very much
at all from streams, and that's our goal this year
is to try to grow that more. Obviously, it all
kind of ties in together because the more people, the
more that people are streaming our music, the more people
will actually come out to a live show as well.

(40:10):
So yeah, that's kind of like been a battle for
us trying to just make more money from that because
that would be very hopeful for us to not have
to tour so much. And then like we've been trying
to also get into sync licensing to like get our
music placed in films and TV shows because that would
just be some nice extra money that's just passive income.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, that would be nice, you know when you're talking
about like incidental music and film TV, all those kind
of productions that that would be amazing. But yeah, I
know it's tough with the streaming gus. The streamers barely
that you can get out there, but like it seems
like anybody could do that these days, so it's tough
to really try to stand out and all that it is.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yea, luckily are you know, our numbers seem to be
going up, and just because our biggest, our biggest platforms
over the last couple of years have been Instagram and TikTok,
And you know, there's always the thing about Spotify, you know,
paying a fraction of a penny, which is which is terrible,
but but we don't make any kind of money at

(41:15):
all from social media, from from our views and stuff
on there, which which to me is much more unfortunate
than how much Spotify pays. But so you know, we've
we've kind of tried to shift our focus a little bit,
not that it's all about the money, but you know
where we're trying to, Yeah, I guess just just to

(41:36):
focus in on I guess different platforms a little bit
more this this year.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
So that's where like I feel like being a musician
feels like work is Obviously, we do it because we
love making music and we love the effect that our
music has for so many people. But there's a lot
of hard work and thought that has to go into
doing this so that we're able to live and make

(42:02):
a comfortable living.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
And how do you get around when you go gig
to gig or is it playing the trains?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Automobiles we've had, We've had a let's see, four different
vehicles we've toured. We've had this, uh, this old gray
Chevy van or no Ford van, right, the big gray one, and.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, that was like a van from the nineties.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
It worked well. The air conditioning stopped working in.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
The summer.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
It became impossible with that, and instead of getting it fixed,
we and that was when we would tour with with
multiple people in our band throughout college. But then after
graduating college or a little bit before, Chloy and I
were driving I think with your mom around on Black
Friday when we came upon this little used car dealership

(42:58):
that had this like twenty eight foot long, like twenty
two feet long.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, it was a small mobile home and so it
just looked like the perfect size.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I couldn't I didn't think I'd ever seen like an
RV that small before, and so we we went inside
and we checked it out, and it was had a
lot of water damage on it and was just in
rough shape. But it was cheap enough and had low
enough miles that we bought.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
It and.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Had it had quite a few issues. It's been pretty reliable.
It still runs.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
We don't tour in that anymore. We like renovated the
inside and so we toured in that and the three
of us were sleeping in it every night, which was
very nice because we could park anywhere and didn't have
to pay for the bell rooms. Yeah, but then recently,
well I guess before we got we have it like
a new van now, which thank the Lord, it's really
nice to a reliable vehicle like that. But we were

(43:59):
stuffed in between the r V and then having our van.
We had a small SUV that we would pack everything into,
and we had a little basket on the back and
there was barely enough room for Andy in the backseat
to sit.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Andy was cramped with his with his upright base.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I'll talk about ya sleeping with your instrument there. Oh
my gosh.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
That was a bad phase. But then you know, we
just got a board short roof forward transit van over
the summer that that has just been a game changer, lifesaver.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
So and you have drums as well. You have caught
that along. That's Harrison on drums, and you also have
the cello with you on the road too.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
So the when we tour, it's just Chloe and I
and Andy, so it's just the three of us. We'd
like to have Harrison join us on drums for a tour,
you know, someday soon. But over since twenty twenty one
or twenty twenty two, yeah, it's just been the three
of us two in kind of as the core Wildwoods.

(45:06):
Harry is involved in a lot of other projects and
uh goes on cruises as well to play in cruise bands,
and so, you know, being living in Nebraska, there's like
only a few really good drummers for you know, one
hundred bands or whatever, and so all the good drummers

(45:27):
are are very very busy with lots of different projects
and so but yeah, hopefully we can we can snatch
Harry up sometime soon to to go on a tour
with us, because I think that'd be a lot of
fun because a lot of a lot of the venues
that we still play, you know, are fairly you know,
not not the biggest places that that maybe drums you know,

(45:48):
aren't the best thing at the moment to have in
our live show. And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, and you're all, well, yeah, that's fantastic. You were
all over YouTube. You got some nice videos out there somewhere,
and in the snow, that's just really an interesting music
video as well, done in the church.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, we did that this past winter. Actually. Yeah,
the microphone company of the mic that we were using
in that video, they the company had sent us that
mic and we've been using it and we love it
for like a couple of years now. But they asked
if we could make like a Christmas video so they

(46:29):
could post it on their social media. And that's like
our only original Christmas song, So we're like, why don't
we just do this one? And that church is beautiful
and they let us use it all the time. We
just go in there and make videos and we had
we hosted a concert in their one time too, And
there's also a really cute animated video to go along

(46:49):
with that song. I don't know if you've seen that
I but Noah did an animation for it. It's like
the Peanuts characters, like Charlie Brown, and it's super cute.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Oh that's awesome. Yeah, Well, hopefully, and best wishes to
all of you and all your endeavors as you go forward.
A great new album, Dear Meadow Lark. Get it wherever
you get music, and you can get it through the website,
and you've got merch on the wars your website.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's the wildwessband dot com. But the album won't be
out until April eleventh, so I think we're going to
get like a pre order link up.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Soon for Yeah, i'd like to get this out before April,
as we're speaking here in late February of twenty twenty five,
so yeah, definitely if you can do a pre order.
It'll be available physically as well, yes.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Uh huh via vinyl, record man and CD.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
So excellent, excellent. And the song Postcards from Somewhere is
that included when it or was that just a bonus
track on certain versions of.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
This it'll it'll be on the vinyl end CD as
well as streaming. That was a single that we released
that we recorded here at home over the summer. That
wasn't supposed to be part of the album, but Chloe
just kind of overruled that and decided.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
That song going on there.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, and in what I just listened to the test
pressing of the vinyl yesterday and that song is the
last one on the vinyl and I think it was
a perfect choice for that, So.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
You win well, best wishes. I hope to see you
here in June as we're speaking now, and best light
and stay safe on the road. It's crazy out there
as it always is, and best wishes. Definitely, thank you.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
So much, Thanks for thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, absolutely, take care, have a good one. Hey, thanks
for joining me here. I had a great discussion with
them and hope as see and hear from y'all soon.
Take care,
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