Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III - A Failed Pilot for a Slasher Franchise - That Bad Media

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Now I have a question before weget into things. Obviously, it's it's
been a minute before we you know, since we sat down here, things
have changed since we sat down herelast time. How does East Coast Gabe
or EC Gabe for short, differfrom La Gabe and Texas Gabe? And
will you be channeling Texas Gabe forour our source subject today? So I

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specifically live in in Delaware. Theabbreviation for Delaware is D E O D.
I'd like to think that I wentfrom being the Gabe to Doug Gabe
dead Gabe. And so for anyonewho has been watching us or listening to

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us for a while, you knowthat I already went through a move once
I moved from Texas to La.Then after some time out there, Yeah,
I really missed Legabe. He justhe wasn't afraid to be himself,
you know. And now I'm sittingon the floor of my new apartment,

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getting ready, getting ready to talkabout one of two movies named Leatherface.
In this case, this is LeatherfaceTexas Chain Time Asker three not to be
confused with Texas Change Chainsaw three D, which is technically a sequel but not

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the second direct it's a direct sequelto the original, sort of like the
movie that we're about to talk about, Texas Chainsawn Masker three, because that
is also a sequel to the firstone, presumably ignoring Texas chains On Masacar
Part two. Yeah, it atthe very least it acknowledged. It does

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not acknowledge what happened in Texas ChainsawMassacre Part two, which is I mean
barely, but it barely acknowledges thefirst movie. How do how do we
even get into this film? LeatherFace Texas Chainsaw three not to be confused
with either Leatherface or Texas Chainsaw threeD Yeah. I mentioned this to you

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off air, But somehow this franchisehas a worse problem with titles than the
Halloween movies. Yeah, yeah,I don't know. When you have that
kind of stiff competition from a seriesthat you know, stole their names for
several of the films from the PinkPanther movies and you're not doing as well
as them, I think you're introuble. It's I mean, it's all

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over the place, just like thefranchise. I mean, the movies and
the things that they play off ofare so all over the place that you
know, even just talking about thismovie has the potential to confuse us and
and get us talking about different aspectsof different movies in this franchise, the
one that came after it, theones that came before it. It's it's

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just a bit of a mess.I do want to adjust the elephant in
the room though, because last timewe were on this channel, this was
not what it looked like. Thisis not what the name was. We've
we've been doing Patreon episodes as weprepared for what this Not That Bad looked
like moving forward. We hope everybodylooks or likes the new look of everything
so far obviously, same logos,same us, different everything else. New

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day that we're releasing these Fridays isthe day for Not That Bad from this
point moving forward. And we gota technically a new home here on the
That Bad Media channel after we wentthrough our rebrand, a new home,
a new residency, a new coastfor me, and now finally Connor and
I are on the same coast,the East Coast. Thank god, that

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will work. Wonders for our scheduling. Folks don't want to peek behind the
curtain too much here but Jesus,I'm very happy about this. So,
like you said, it's difficult tofind a spot to sort of poke the
skewer in to talk about this movie. I want to bring up something first
though, what is your familiarity withthis and and sort of your feeling about

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the franchise as a whole, becauseTexas Chainsaw Massacre is a little it can
be divisive for some Ore fans,I mean, in my opinion, disrespected
at times past the first film.So what are your what are your thoughts
on the franchise, maybe even sometimesthe first film? I mean, there
are there are skeptics out there.So this is actually the first time we're

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talking about this franchise on the mainchannel. We have talked about another Texas
chains On mask for film. Onour Patreon. We talked about the prequel,
not leather Faced, the prequel tothe original film, Texas chains On
Mascer at the beginning, the prequelto remake, not the reboot that came

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out from Netflix. No, theremake of the first three remake starring Jessica
Bield. So let's actually just kindof lay out our thoughts on this franchise.
Now, I've alluded to this probably, but the Texas Chain Time Masker
in nineteen seventy four. The originalis a sacred movie to me. It's

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it was a formative viewing experience.The first time I saw that, it
rocked my world. It's one ofthe only movies to not only truly disturb
me but left me speechless. Atthat point, I had been growing up
on monster movies, like hammer horrormovies, so this was I think my

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introduction into you know, that adultworld of you know, more hardcore horror,
dangerous horror, and was really agateway for that. So it's one
of my favorite movies of all time. I know some people complain that it's
dated or that some people I've heardcall it a fluke oh because they think

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that Toby Hooper is not worthy ofthe title Master of Horror. Without getting
into that too much, I justcouldn't disagree more. I think the fact
that they keep going back to thewell of this franchise, despite all of
the bizarre starts and stops they've hadat making it into a franchise, is

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a testament to the staying power ofthat original film. So that's the first
movie, and from there we havea true choose your own adventure, not
just in storylines, but tones,you know, directions, characterizations. It's
crazy because even when they had atrue hit, like a true hit on

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their hands with the remake, theycouldn't even they couldn't even capitalize off that
there was the prequel, and thenit really petered out from there. So
the question is could this have beena franchise because this movie we're about to
talk about, leather Face, TexasChant to Ask For Three was very much

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an attempt to turn it into aslasher franchise, akin to Freddie and Jason
and Michael. Yeah, and Ithink from this point we should just refer
to this as part three. Iknow it's technically not Part three. I
think this is gonna be easiest forus to reference. Yeah, I don't
know, man, this is aThis is a This franchise is a tough
one to talk about. I thinkfor any horror fan who enjoys this franchise,

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especially as much as I do,it's a difficult one to talk about
because, on one hand, Ilove this franchise like I love it so
much. It's not held as highfor me as like you know, a
Halloween or a Nightmare on Elm Street. But I'd put it on par for
me, probably with Friday, ifnot slightly ahead of it in some ways.

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And that's sacrilegious in the horror community. But talking about the franchise,
the franchise, original movie, Yeah, franchise as a whole now, original
movie for sure, I can't touchit. I'm an infamous original Friday the
thirteenth hater in a way of saying, it's not a terrible movie, but
it is not what people say itis. I think we should just dive

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into this movie. Just talking alittle bit of background. I don't want
to bore the people with it.But this movie was released in nineteen ninety,
directed by Jeff Burr, who wouldgo on to do Pumpkinhead two Rest
in Peace. By the way,New Line Cinemas commissions they buy the rights
to the Texas changed. I askbecause you know, a Nightmare on Elm
Street had more or less run itscourse. They wanted a new franchise,

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so they tried to do that afew times with a few different characters.
Yes, they did mostly too tragicresults. But they hire Jeff Burr,
who was you know, he wasa B movie director. He said he
was the fiftieth person off of thejob, and I believe he was fired
at some point and had to berehired because nobody would would direct this damn

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thing. You. Peter Jackson wasoffered this job, and had he accepted
it, I guess this would havebeen his first time working with vigil.
Morton said, Yeah, that's aninteresting This is also the first, if
I'm not incorrect, this is kindof the first Texas chainsaw massacre movie of
two. I guess that would thatwould feature an actor who would eventually this

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would not be the cause of theirrise to fame, but it would be
a stepping stone in their rise towhat they would later become. Of course,
the next film would do so withMatthew McConaughey. This one with yes
absolutely. So we starts, ofcourse on a on a road trip,
a road trip that is so awkwardthat I would have to imagine that leather

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Face was a relief from now.Can you clarify this for me? So
it's a road trip between this couple. I think they're together. They're still
together. Yeah, so they're togetherfor now. She is going away at
some point and they are not goingto be together when she goes away,

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and the insinuation is that he doesn'ttrust that they will get back together when
she comes back, and she isjust saying she needs some time away truthfully
unimportant to the plot of the movie. Yeah, she needs time away from
this guy, which is why they'retaking a road trip from California to Florida.

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You know, taking a road tripis a classic setup, and it's
not one that I'm gonna shot onfor being too cliche. But you gotta
do more to let us know whatis the significance of this trip. It's
sometimes screenwriters really confused, like arguingfor draw So, yeah, they think
that that they're inviting us into theworlds of these people by having them argue

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and bicker and to talk back toeach other. And that man that she's
with looks like an adult child,you know what I mean, Like he
has seems like he looks like thegrown up but not grown up version of
the kid from a Christmas story.They felt like like if I could compare

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it to something that isn't done alot in Horror, at least not to
my recollection. It's almost like theyou know, the the hot girl and
the friend zoned guy friend you knowwhat I mean, Like there's no there's
no there's no semblance of a relationship, but it's clear that they're familiar with
each other. It's like there's thereis a discons that there is a one

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sided thing going on here. Andyou know what, I brought this movie
here. You know, I've beenI've had this movie on my list on
my list for for things to coversince pretty much the beginning of the show.
But I have a major complaint rightnow, is it Do you not
feel like it was backwards to startthis movie? We open up with them

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in this well, you know onceonce we get to them, they're in
this one after we see leather Facemake his leather face, right. Originally
they were also going to show himunmasked to see that he had a deformed
face, and they scraped that andthen they use that for the remake,
which, honesty is a move thatI I don't love and I'm pretty glad
it is not in this movie.But that's a sidebar. Yeah, And

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for this one, I think thatwas a great way to open it.
It almost reminded me of that Halloweenfive opening with like the Pumpkin. It's
not quite the same but it's agood way to set the tone for the
movie. Score aside, which Iknow we'll get to as we talk about
this movie, But the first timewe get into the car with these people,
right, and we're supposed to getthis the sense that like and based

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on the story they've set up byI'm not making anything up, this is
this is spelled out by them betweenthe dialogue. She is the one that's
sort of uninterested in the relationship,and the guy is the one that's kind
of desperate to keep it together,upset that things are kind of not her
idea right road trip. Not onlywas the road trip her idea, but
he is the one uninterested with hisheadphones on on the drive there. I

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think this movie wants to think thatit has a human element. I think
because, like, let's be real, in the original text, Changsaw Massacre
the great movie that it is.I mean, there's no personal drama to
really invite the audience. I mean, these are j just college kids on
a road trip, right. Thething is it's off putting from the start,

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YEP, and you feel trapped inthis car with them, And if
you've ever been trapped in a situationwith an arguing couple as I have again,
like Leatherface can only be a relieffrom all of this. And the
guy Ryan in particular, is sooff putting that I actually thought that they
were setting him up to become avillain, you know what I mean.

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Like I didn't think he was gonnabe one of the Sawyer family members,
because how that makes sense. ButI would think almost that he would like
he might be the one to ditchher, you know, like you know
that point where like she has toditch him because he gets stuck. I
thought he would be the one torun from her and eventually get his comeup
ince, you know, which isinteresting. You know when that happens,

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I wrote down in my notes,So this is not the coolest chick of
all time, you know, it'sjust and she has a little bit of
a growth throughout the movie, andthe actress is slightly competent. But yeah,
for the most part, we havegood characters throughout this movie. For
we have fantastic We have some fantasticcharacters. We actually do we have like

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amongst his franchise, we have someof the best. I would agree to
It was weird for a movie thatstarts out so unassuming. Yeah, but
can I talk about a scene thatI liked back then and I liked now.
I would love to hear it thatthat mass grave excavation? Yeah,
where did this come from? Likethis is so eerie and yeah, watching

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those guys in their hazmat suits,it almost felt like we took a detour
to the Blob remake. It felta little more like X Files to me.
I don't know if it was justlike the lower kind of lower budget
of the movie. I don't knowif that was what it was, but
such a cool scene to throw inthere, and it sets I like it

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because what it does is if themovie is going to exist in a world
where you could reasonably watch it withoutseeing the first film, right, Like
I believe it tried to do that, and I don't know if they did
it consciously, but with the openingcrawl that they had and everything, like
you could reasonably watch this without seeingthe first one, it sets up a
true It gives a visual of thetrue like presence of Daniel that these people

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were in and the scale of ofof how dangerous these people are, and
it really it feels like it's almostout of a different movie. If you
didn't have the rest of this movieto go. You know. Now,
if I were that, if Iwere that couple, though, I would
see that and just do a bigol' u turn and drive right back to
California. Yeah, but it seemslike a red flag, honestly. I

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mean, going through Texas itself isprobably a red flag. No, I'm
joking Texas people. Somebody who dida road trip through Texas. Obviously,
I'm from Texas. I'm from Houston, which is East Texas. But on
my move from California, me andmy wife did a road trip and we
drove through all of Texas to getto Houston, so from from west to

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east, and I saw some things. I saw some things on that trip.
Luckily, though, after this greatscene, it doesn't take us too
long to get our next great scene, in my opinion, because eventually they
show up to a service station andwe get to meet two of my two
of honestly my favorite characters in thefranchise, tex Sawyer, portrayed by Vigo

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Mortenson and the MVP of this movie, Alfredo Sawyer. So I wrote down
in my notes right Ken for isthe MVP of this movie, and we'll
get to Ken three. Yeah,but then a few scenes later I scratched
that out and said, Alfredo TomEverett. Yeah, Tom Everett as Alfredo
Sawyer is the fucking MVP of thismovie. The guy carries the load.

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And don't get me wrong, Ithink Vigo Mortens's performance and this is actually
like really good. I think MatthewMcConaughey when you watch him in Next Generation,
you know, you can kind ofin some scenes you can kind of
see how this guy could be big, but like, you know, a
lot of it is like, oh, this guy has the look of a
movie star, right, like VigoMortensen when you watch him in this movie,
Like he's got a lot of subtletiesto his character that really helped kind

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of show who this guy is.I really liked his performance. I think
I think all of the villain's performances. I think all the actors bring that
kind of those those great touches totheir characters. And I think I'm not
sure how great these villains are onpaper, but there's something but the actors

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that bring them to life, andespecially watching their chemistry together. And you
know what, I want to includeJennifer Banco in that the returning to the
show Jennifer Banco, who is inThe New Blood. When we covered that
movie, she plays the younger versionof our of our main psychokinetic character.
In this one, she plays thelittle Girl. I don't believe she even
has a name. I think she'sjust called the little Girl. I was

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even surprised by her, like sheshe didn't do a whole lot after this,
and she's not acting now to myknowledge. So Viga Mortsten, he's
such a striking looking man. Imean he's not pretty boy handsome in the
way that McConaughey is right, he'snot gonna yeah starring in you know,
it's like an unconventional handsome you know, like a like a Benedict Cumberbatch or
something, you know, like somethinglike that. Yeah, women find a

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way to to like these strange lookingguys when they have this this sort of
quality about them, and he's gotit. And I feel like he has
it in this movie. There's youknow, like even this first kind of
scene where we meet him, he'sjust he's he's trying to get them to
give him a ride back home,and you know, basically baby firefly his
way into their car and uh,he he doesn't get the opportunity to But

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like his disappointment and like the waythat he comes across as a good as
a good guy, like you know, you kind of get this sense of
like mystery about him. But hedoes a good jobs. There's a version
of this movie where he he couldhave been a good guy. It could
have been he could have been thehero of the movie, and that would

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have worked just as well, becausehe plays both those sides equally well.
Glad they went through they did,because mal treat to see him play such
a disturbing character. But you know, he really raises the bar of this
movie. And if for nothing else, you know, we can all be
thankful that this helped give him astepping stone. However, big Hog or

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small right or at least wasn't aroadblock. Yeah, at least it wasn't
a roadblock for him. At leasthe didn't sue the makers of the film
to stop him from re releasing it. Yeah, but but I mean,
even if he did, we wouldstill have the performance of Tom Everett as
Alfredo Sawyer. Oh you don't damnme what who We both at this point

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have acknowledged as the MVP of thismovie. Immediately movie. Oh my god,
immediately shining in this his character makesme upset alone that we didn't get
a sequel where he somehow survives.Because, let me tell you, the
moment you see this guy to theto the last moment you see him is
a treat. It's a delight.Everything he says is great, even just

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the small thing you know, I'mgoing to share it. You a real
good name, don't you worry about. He's got it. This way of
talking, that's so good. Asthe movie goes on, it gets even
better. There's a really funny scenewhere ken Free confronts him in the forest,
and I've I absolutely that's my favoritescene in the entire movie Clash of
the Titans, because going head dead, Oh my god, it's so good.

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Let's uh, let's get into leatherFace himself, the titular character.
Finally, the titular character. Ihonestly don't know how popular of a character
Leatherface was at this time. LikeI don't even know how many people knew
the name leather Face. It's hardto contextualize back then. I think from
what I remember, the second moviewas was fairly successful on like home video

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release when it came to I thinkwas a modest success overall. I mean,
it didn't light the world on fire, and I think there's a reason
why they went this soft reboot directionand not not try to make a direct
sequel to that movie. But youknow, Leatherface, you know, he

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started in two movies compared to FreddyJason Michael. You know, they were
making movies like year after year,and they were like really proving themselves as
movie stars. Where does Leatherface actuallyrank in your favorite villains, like your
favorite slasher villains, movie villains?Where where is he up there? For

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you, you know, movie villains. I mean, there's so many different
types of movies. I usually don'ttry to loot to group. I try
to do movie villains by genre.I would say it's in the same place
that the franchise is for me,tied for third. I like Jason Voorhees
a lot, but I like Leatherfacejust as much. Honestly, I like

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what I like about both of thosecharacters is that there's similarities between them,
you know, as far as likeyou know, they're just sort of these
yeah formed shrieks. Especially when youlook at that second Friday the thirteenth I've
always said that I feel like theywere actually trying to emulate leather Face more
than Michael Myers. I think theytook elements from from both of which is

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what I think. That's why Ithink I like Jason is because because he's
kind of both of them. Youknow, he's kind of a bit of
Michael Myers, a bit of leatherFace and a bit of his own thing.
And I think I'd like leather Faceso much because he's a versatile character.
You can set up his lord toreally be anything, and it kind
of works, you know, whetheryou want to make him just your sort

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of generic, you know, runof the mill slasher, like they did
in the newest remake of Texas ChainsawMassacre or the newest reboot rather version,
I would argue they did that inthe remake. I think people get away
he did it. Hearing me saythat, it wasn't as egregious as I'm
making it sound. They just theystripped him of a lot of his eccentricities

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as far as he distinguishes him fromhis fellow Splashure icons they wanted to go
away from. So Toby Hooper hashas gone on record to say that that
the first film and the second filmwere very much like uh, there was
a lot of dark humor in them, and and part of that is Leatherface's
eccentricities. I think, you knowhim screaming and yelling and you know,
putting on lipstick and all that stufflike and I think with the remake that

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they wanted to just be straight lacedand like, we are making this guy
into a scary thing. I don'tthink that they still incorporate some. They
do some. I believe it's respectful. They strike a good balance. I
like this leather Face, which isimportant because Leatherface is he's actually my third
too. I think if the sequelshad been able to sustain what made him

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so damn effective in that original movie, he'd he probably he'd probably be higher.
I feel like they only really nailedthe character once, and we've seen
these very interesting variations on him eversince. Obviously, like in the second
movie, you have a really goofyyeah, almost like a yeah, almost
like a comic relief version, likehe's not fool, like he's still got

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scary things about him, like,but hey, he's still threatening. I
mean, he's he's more dangerous inthat movie than in the first one.
Oh yeah, for sure. ButI to me, it's like, that's
like the Patrick Starr version of theOther Face. You know, I never
thought of it that way. That'sreally good. I mean he he even
like had he he develops a littlecrush, like a little schoolboy crush on

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our on the Final Girl, which, by the way, she's in this
She's got an uncredited cameo in thismovie. Only bit of connective tissue between
the third and the second. Now, Carolina Williams says in her head,
she's still playing stretch. They don'tcredit her that way, right, And
this is actually she's returning to theshow too. She was in our Patreon

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episode on Leperchawn three, so tworeturning uh two returning actors. Of course
she's She's in both of our favoritehorror movies of all time, Rob Zombie's
Halloween Too. Thank you for beingthe one to bring it up this time
so that I don't be scared alittle this gang played out because it's the

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fifteenth anniversary, so we are notwe are not dropping that ball now.
No, maybe maybe we'll see alittle bit more about Rob Zombies Halloween two
this year. Who knows, Maybemaybe the time is coming. But I
so Leatherface in this movie. Iwant to I want to say something about
him that I think is really cool. I like that. Okay, So

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I don't like that we don't getas much of him as I think.
I would like us to have peoplethat he's the titular character right now.
And people have called this the blandestleather Face. I don't agree with that.
What I what I do think isthough I'm really surprised more people don't
talk about the fact that I reallythink they capitalize on this guy when they
do show him. I mean,we still have some of the eccentricities about

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him, right And I want totalk about that in a second, because
we get a really cool and funscene like a break from our madness if
you will, at some point inthis movie that I think is really cool.
But first of all, the lookI mean, Greg Nikottaro was I
believe the lead effects on this moviedesigned and help put together this leather Face.
Honestly, and I know this iscontroversial, this is actually my favorite

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design for Leatherface aside from the remake. The remake is I know that that's
a hot take. See the remakehere's the thing about the remake. It's
the first Texas Chainsaw Asker movie Ihad the pleasure of seeing, so that's
my sort of definitive look for him. And when I see an older version
of him, I have an appreciationfor it. And obviously you know that

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would turn into the evolved look ofhim over time. I know people have
complaints that it looks a little toolike rubbery, uh and not look to
it looks like the Joker To me, Yeah, I don't know. There's
something about it works. I don'tknow. I don't know what it is,
but this movie has has that samequality for me. It is something
about that look just works for me. I like that they they sort of

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nineties him up, but not asbad as like Halloween did. I think
they did a better job than Halloweendid. Do you like his mullet?
It works? I gotta say it. I feel like it works. The
only time I feel like it doesn'twork is the end of the movie where
he gets where his hair gets allwet, because you the mask is just

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subtle enough in that dark light,which, by the way, this movie
is very dark. When they gooutside, you can't see anything. That's
a lot of time outside and uhso at the end of the movie,
you know, I don't want toget into it too much, but you
know, the leather Face gets drenchedin water and is in this lake or
pond, and I couldn't tell itwas him at first. I was like,
who's this lady? All of asudden, the first time I watched

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by the way, I was like, who's this lady? Coming out of
the wad, I was like,oh, that's leather Face. Okay,
yeah, I see it now thatthey zoomed in, but in the dark,
I couldn't tell who it was.I want to ask you, though,
where does this rank amongst your leatherface looks? The look is up
there. And of the leather facesthat I'm gonna call the the Jason leatherfaces,

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like the ones that are trying toserve that purpose of being the big
bat, because yeah, in thosefirst two movies, leather Face plays a
pretty different role. So of thatstrain of leatherfaces is probably my favorite.
And I think after that, Ilike his look in the beginning. Something
that I really like about this character, and I think this movie loves up

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to that, is that Leatherface isa character where it's all the way every
movie Leatherface always feels like a performance, like, yeah, not just a
stunt man being being generically direct,to be you know, threatening, remendacing,
Like there's always like an actor givingthis character an interpretation. And I
don't even like all the performances ofthis character, but that's always a quality

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I really appreciated about him. Obviously, this actor whose name escapes me,
you know he again, he's heunderstands the simon. He's going to be
a more intimidating, a more threateningleather Face, but I still see some
of that child like manchild sensibility abouthim. I like how curious he is

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with technology and just kind of likeplaying with his victims. He is a
loving father to little girl. Now, the thing that I don't like about
this movie's leather Faces that they turnhim into a rapist. I don't know
why that bothers me as much asit does. Given who leather Face is

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based on, ed Gan, It'sit shouldn't come as a surprise. I
just don't like the fact that inthe nineties they were making all of their
slasher villains a bunch of sex pests. Between him and Michael Myers, I
will say this, this is theThis is by far the less egregious version
of that for me, because itseems not out of the question. You

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know, we sort of it's sortof hinted towards that in the second movie
that he's he's got the side tohim that's less about killing. He's more
of a more about lovin, ifyou know what I mean. Uh.
And and in this one, theythey do it subtly enough to where there's
nothing outright disturbing. You know,there's nothing like they don't show you anything.

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It's it's an illusion, right.They talk about him knowing what to
do with the ladies pravats, which, by the way, that hook hand
character, I can't think of thethe the name of that character at the
moment, but I think he's Ithink he's another cool character that they introduce
him this he doesn't have as muchto do as as tex and as Alfredo.

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I'd say it's arguably the honestly,and this is this is gonna be
controversial, but that's what we're hereto do, right. This is my
favorite Sawyer family overall. I thinkit's the overall because you know, I
think that the father is very goodin the first two along with you know,

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I like leather Face the first movie. I don't really take to any
of them as much as a lotof people do. It's really just leather
Face and uh and and we don'tspend a lot of time with them.
No. Uh. I think it'sthe second movie that that decided we're going
to make the family dynamic kind ofa staple of these movies, which is
something that they, unfortunately have abandonedever since the beginning. All of these

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uh Texas Chainsaw entries have really abandonedthe family dynamic. You know, Texas
three D leather Face, the problem, his cousin, They the cousins team
up in Texas Change Something three Dso or Texas Chainsaw three D so.
I don't want to hear that.Okay, uh, you know, do
your thing, cuz. But no, you're you're you're right. I mean,

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like sort of the leather Face,you know, leather Face by itself,
not the part three that we're talkingabout now, leather Face from what
twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, somewherein that ring something like that. That
movie sort of has this family dynamicthat they put through, but it's not
strong because of the prequel Nature andit doesn't shine because they're not there's nothing

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particularly interesting about any of them.Part two is my second favorite, I
would say, because I really loveI mean, who doesn't love chop Top
even they let Grandpa shine in thesecond one, which I think is so
funny, that's it. It's almostyou know, like dan Akroyd in uh
in uh nothing but trouble levels reallyfun. But this is this is my

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second favorite because I think overall orthis is my this is my absolute favorite,
because I think overall, each ofthe characters are strong enough on their
own that when they come together,it just creates something really cool and believably
evil, almost to the point whereit's like mundane for them. They're not
like they're not in your face evil. They're not like overly taunting. They

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do they're taunting, and you know, once you know she's all tied up,
but like it's it's a different way. You know, like when he's
nailing her her hands in and VigoMortensen is doing that and then he goes,
so how you like Texas, youknow, it's like this is strange.
He's not doing it over the top. It's almost like he's trying to
make conversation for real, you knowit's it's taunting in a way, but
I don't know, man, thisit balances out well for me. It

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does, and again gives like agreat context for leather Face, Like I
absolutely has a very clear relationship withall of those family members, especially hookcand
guy, who I guess Leatherface isthe reason he has a hookand because he
which is that they put that inthere, right, Like I love that

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world building of this family, youknow that. And then he gets him
the new saw and then he's sortof the tech guy, right, so
that builds him. This what thespeaking spell. Let me explain to the
makers of this movie how you're supposedto do it. Okay, in this
movie, you show the guy withthe whole camp, and then you make
a whole prequel explaining how the wholecamp and that's the whole point of the

(35:19):
movie. You introduce characters, butthey don't matter. There the fan and
fodder. The only thing you seeis this movie burned through at least three
prequels worth. The material literally burnit, you know, burned off its
hand. Instead of shooting yourself onthe foot, they burned off their hand.
Yeah, yeah, but no,I mean, like I want to

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ask you, is there a characterthat you think is sort of weaker in
this movie than then? Like,is there I guess the family dynamic?
Where does this rank for you asfar as like the family goes, their
family characters get weak? Well,I mean the characters get weak with our
main characters, which is quite unfortunatelykind of our two are our couple.

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We'll say that acause I don't thinkken Frey suffers from anything. Honestly,
ken Free suffers from not being inthis movie enough that I can agree with.
But he shines when he's there.So it's not like, you know,
like with the with the actress,I'd say she's a pretty good normal
person character, and she's okay asa victim, like you know, like
when she's captured, but she's notgood at being crazy. That is what

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I would say holds her back.The guy is a man child, That's
what holds him back. Ken Freedoesn't really have anything that that holds him
back besides the fact that he's notin it enough. He shines in every
scene he's in. He's a lousyshot. He also runs a little funny.
Did you notice that at the endof the movie where he jumps from
the explosion. He's very uh levelsyeah, jumps funny too. Not quite

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as bad as steven Sagall, butyou know he's he's not h He's not
far down that list either. ButI mean it's a shame to say that
the main characters, I mean theyhold back the first half, because that's
that was my problem when I firstsaw this movie. I think I really
checked out after the first half,and a lot of the really gnarly stuff

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we get in the second half kindof just washed over me. This time,
though, after they get to theSawyer house, there's some stuff I
enjoyed. The actually really liked leatherFace's first appearance, not the opening prologue,
but when he's stalking them and youjust hear the squeak of his oh
yeah, lea brace. Really goodstuff, really really cool. But then

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when they get to the house afterthat, I kind of loved this movie.
Like if it had been that fora whole movie, or at least
if they if they could have,like I don't know, just figure out
a way to really take what theycaptured there make a feature length This would
really be an elevated sequel for me. Maybe not one that could match the

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original because it doesn't have that rawquality. I mean, this is,
yeah, this is New Line Cinemastrying to make another franchise, and that's
pretty obvious. But it would haveit could have started that franchise. I
think people in nineteen ninety probably hadthe same reaction that I did at first,
like I like, just this reallyseriously waning interest by by minute ten,

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I'll say this, it's it's veryunderstandable to check out when watching the
first part of this movie. Idefinitely understand how somebody could do that.
I want to ask you, Andobviously this is extreme hypothetical, but like
a movie like House of a ThousandCourses is an example of a movie that
kind of grips you form minute oneright, it has something that occurs,

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but it doesn't ruin anything later inthe movie. Do you think this movie
could have benefited from something like that? Or maybe we don't meet every member
of the Sawyer family right away,but maybe we open up with you know,
some lady in the woods, rightand she it's dark and she's running
around. Maybe the lady's interestingly theyeven set that up because we have this

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we have a leather Face making hisleather face. Yes, then we have
one of his victims escaping and fleeing, and we cut from that to these
you know this this couple on theirroad trip, and there's like a mid
big disconnect for me. I mean, I know it's going to come back
later, but it comes back toolate, and she forgot about that girl.

(39:30):
Yeah, it feels out of placeif we would have opened up like
let's say, you know, sheescapes and then we get into the movie
and she's running through the woods andthen maybe you know false jump scare,
she runs into somebody that she that'salso in the house and they escaped,
and then the leather Face just cutsthat person's head off. Right, she
still lives. You still get herlater in the movie, like you've already
written into the script. But itgives us something. It gives us a

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preview of Leatherface. You don't evenhave to show them all. You can
do it from you know, theleg down right, so you see the
brace that they then you know showlater in the movie as our preview to
him, you know, something toget us hooked into the movie. Because
if you immediately go into unlikable charactersbeing unlikable. It's one of the issues
I kind of have with the Fridayof the Thirteenth remake, right where like,

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we just I like that breakup wherewe get to see what Jason's capable
of and everything, but we spendtoo long, in my mind, with
these unlikable people to set up therest of the movie. And so,
you know, it's not a disconnectlike this one is. This one is
a little bit more egregious, butKen free. We sort of meet him
just post accident. He's got abloodied head and he's you know, he's

(40:38):
trying to help our main characters out. He comes into the movie too late.
I yeah, I stand by that. I agree that it would have
been hard to introduce him earlier becauseyou have a couple characters to introduce,
right, But yes, I meanjust from a basic screenwriting one oh one,
you know, this happens well afterthe and he becomes almost a protagonist.

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I mean, you know, ourour final girl is tied up and
immobile for a while and it's upto Ken. We follow Ken trying to
save the day. So he's theco protagonist, you know, he's he's
the co survivor. You know,I think he survives multiple on screen depths,
and he's certainly the hero that,in my mind, carries the movie.

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And I don't mean to insult theactress in that way. I just
I don't think she was given awhole lot to work with. I don't
think they played to her strengths asan actress, because she's got some strong
moments in this movie. Man,but like then they make her go crazy
and we'll get there. But withKen free now, at this point in
time in his career, you know, he had of course was known for

(41:47):
Dawn of the Dead. That's,you know, the thing that I think
everybody kind of knows him for.Who's not a rob zombie fan. But
he's coming off he's coming off ofPhantom of the Mall Eric's Revenge, which
has as ye, well, Ido like that movie, but that's a

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little bit of a crime. Speakingof crime, he is criminally under used
in that movie. It's actually,yeah, I had to pause the movie
and really look at him, like, did they cast Ken farre as a
nameless security guard? Like I know, his star wasn't where it was now.
I mean, now he's a prettybig damn name, especially to people

(42:28):
like us. But in the horrorcommunity for sure. Uh yeah, but
he was. Also he had agreat part in From Beyond. Have you
seen that? Yeah? I have. I would agree we do see his
bulge a lot in that and oneunfortunate maybe people didn't want to see Ken
for a while after that, Soyeah, I don't know. And like

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when Rob started putting him in hismovies, like you know, he's in
the first Rob Zombies, Halloween,and he's in Lords of Salem, And
I would argue Lords of Salem isone of his strongest performances in a movie
they gave. It's one of thebest movies ever made, so that's not
surprising Ken Free, I think,uh you know, just as he shines
through in Lords of Salem, Ido believe he shines through at moments in

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this sort of similar to the actress, I don't think they gave him material
that quite plays to his strengths asmuch as as I think I think he
rocks in this movie, the II think he rocks as well. The
complaints that I have are moments wherehe didn't. I don't feel like he
interacted enough as the action hero type, because that's what he set up to

(43:36):
be in this right, he's kindof set up to be like the action
hero, the one liner guy.He's got some good ones, I think,
but he's got some weak ones too. Like I think his weakest moment
in the movie for me, andI don't think it's a weakness for him.
I think it adds a lot ofcharm to the movie, but it
certainly didn't play to his strengths.Is when he sort of sees that leather
Face is about to carve up youknow, our our our main, our

(43:58):
lead leading lady. Uh and he'slike what does he say? He's like,
you motherfuckers and then shoots. Ithink he just his motherfuck that that
motherfuck that could be it. Butlike he's got some great one liners man,
Like there's that there's that part wherehe's he's talking to Ego Mortenson and
he's like, he's wrong with youpeople, Why don't you leave us alone?
He's like, we got hungry.Haven't you ever heard of pizza?

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Like, dude, that's that's great. Like it does. It adds such
a charm to this movie, andit's all from the humans. I really
care everything. I don't really haveany complaints about Ken Forury as far as
what he does on screen. I'venever had any complaints abou ken Free.
I think I think the dude's bitching. Okay, he's from from this to

(44:42):
Joe. Grizzly just loves seeing himaround Joe. Bit. He has a
tendency to be underused, which inthis case is something they thankfully corrected because
famously he died in the original cutof this movie. Obviously he gets a
chainsaw through the skull. There's alsoan Internet ending for this movie for those
who have not seen that. Doesthat come with the Blu Ray? It

(45:05):
does. Yes, it's on theBlu Ray as well as the unrated version
is on the Blu Ray. Whichversion, Yeah, the unrated version is
still carved to ship. So justto let everybody know, don't go into
it thinking you're getting anything that different. You get a little less of a
cut away for like, what isit like half a second difference in that
the scene where they dropped them onthe guy. Maybe, But the big

(45:29):
thing is you see some fingers getblown off. Yeah, it's it's not
huge. It's not a big difference. I would be morbidly curious to check
out that original cut. The preMPa A butcher cut, but ken free
what I do like. I know, I know you said something about how
he doesn't interact with the family asmuch as like maybe an action hero should,

(45:51):
But I like that he doesn't justcome in. Well I do like
that. Yeah, I wish Iwish his his I think, well,
first of all, let's talk aboutthis movie is fairly short. It's like,
what an hour and twenty minutes.This movie really barely registered with me
when I first watched it, theway it flew by, And I think
that's a structural problem. I thinkit's just backwarded if you had kind of

(46:14):
broken, because I think the stuffthat goes on in the house is is
gold. Like this time, Ireally pretty much loved all of all of
the details they through and all thelines, all the macabre, warped shit.
I mean, this movie actually genuinelyupset me with some of the images
that showed me, dude, andand like it makes you appreciate some of

(46:36):
it too, Like it can gofor it and it doesn't feel like it's
like tonally all over the place,but it can make you go from like
chuckling, like you know, whenhe gives him the saw and it says,
the Saw's family and it's like thiscool looking like thing and he's like
and he's like posing with it,and it's like kind of funny. But
then like in the background there's thislittle girl with like a doll with a
skullhead and she's calling like a deadinfant. It's the Yeah, it's like

(47:00):
supposed to be a dead and Ithink skin is running away. Her room
is full of human bones that inone of which she uses to stab or
protagonists. Dude, Like, there'ssome upsetting shit, but it like,
would you agree that this movie kindof strikes enough of a balance where it
doesn't feel all over the place,you know, like it it feels it

(47:20):
it's not all over the place,and in that it's like, you know,
disjointed, you know, like Ifeel like I'm in a different movie.
Now. What I will say isit's uneven. You know, again,
there are uneven parts. It's justtotally backloaded for me. I mean,
if you could take that stuff inthat house and find a way to
kind of sprinkle that throughout the movie, you'd have a really meaty movie.

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And it's a movie that has theopposite problem that most movies like this have
where a lot of movies run outof gas. Right, I've seen a
lot of movies with great openings thatjust I you know, The Friday the
Teenth. I think it's a prettygood example. The remake, absolutely yeah,
that prologue. It peaks with theprologue and then kind of steadily loses

(48:07):
its gas. And by the endof the movie, I, you know,
I'm like ready for it to theend, for it to end.
Not so with this movie, Likewhen it ends, I'm like you,
but we just got to the goodpart this movie definitely. So first of
all, it's an easy watch,Like, it's not one that you're going
to sit down and you know,I again, I love Godzilla ninety eight,

(48:28):
but that movie is arguably the longestmovie ever made. If you watch
it, Casablanca is right up therefor me too. You just sit down
and watch it, You're there forever. This is not one of those movies.
I've never heard someone compare Godzilla ninetyeight to Casablanca, especially unfavorably,
So I can't just let that slide. What do you mean Casablanca is the

(48:52):
longest movie ever made? What doyou mean so long? Oh? It's
so long? Oh my god,it's so long. It's the perfect movie.
It's a perfect movie. Oh congratulationsfor thinking that way. I think
it's long as hell. But anyways, you know, I don't I don't
like the finer things in life.I like to drink fucking whatever this movie
is. You know, like Iwill say, I will agree with that

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one hundred percent. I think thismovie it's over before you know it in
a sense. But where it dragsis the is the part that you kind
of don't want it to drag.You know, a lot of people say,
like, if you're gonna let amovie drag, let it drag in
the middle. You don't want itto drag in the beginning, and you
don't want it to drag at theend. And they didn't have a problem
with it dragging in the middle orthe end. But the middle and the
end are they almost feel rushed through, like you're done with the movie before

(49:36):
you realize you're done. And theback half that is there is so good
that you just want it to keepgoing. They don't. It's like they
don't have enough of it. Andthat's also my complaint. Let's look at
it from the perspective of this,because this movie feels like a pilot,
which is what it is. It'sa pilot for the Yeah, that's fair
saying I'm mascer franchise, the newline Texas State's I'm Ascar franchise. But

(49:59):
is it a good one? Becausea number of my favorite characters die,
but not enough characters die. Thatlittle girl didn't die, she didn't get
her fucking head shot off or something, which is the only that's the only
time I've wanted to see a littlegirl perish in a movie. Yeah,

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here's here's what I honestly think.So I do think the ending of the
movie is and and there are acouple of parts that I want to go
back to before we end our discussion, But I think the end of the
movie, for me, I actuallyenjoyed what they did there, sort of
alluding back to the first movie withleather Face kind of showing up at the
end and you know, walking upto you know, revs. Chainsaw once
again before we go to the credits. But I almost would have wanted almost

(50:49):
like a family portrait kind of ending, you know, where we sort of
see the aftermath of all these characterssurviving. I think Alfredo should have been
shot. I don't think he shouldshow up again at the end, unless
they were going to show that hesurvived his encounter with Ken Free. I
think Alfredo should have lived. Ithink tex should have lived. I mean,
I think they should have done something. But text seems like, yeah,

(51:12):
I mean, text seems like thesestarred other than leather Face. You
know, leather Face is always goingto be around. You can't kill Leatherface.
But if you if you can findsomebody to be the face of it,
an actor to be the face ofit, that's what you want.
You know. That's that's like areally that's a quality that a lot of
these franchises don't appreciate. Like,yes, we do, like the the

(51:34):
Master Villains. We all like,right, yeah, but that's going to
sell them. You need someone tocounterbalance that. So Halloween has Donald pleasants,
and I would argue he is justas he's more responsible for the sustainability
of that franchise. The thing isthat Robert England as Freddy Krueger, you
know, he's not a mass killer, he's disfigured, but you know his

(51:57):
face is on all the posters.We love Freddy. We can't imagine anyone
else playing Freddy, and That's somethingthat the Friday franchise Friday the thirteenth didn't
really have a handle on. That'ssomething that I think it could have really
benefited from. Even though I lovethose movies, you do miss that that

(52:20):
continuity of a familiar face, youknow. I wish there was like a
Lori Strode or Donald Pleasance or aNancy or something like that, or a
Sidney Prescott, best example. That'swhy the screen films are always they're so

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I don't know, it's like amore like a season of television. Like
that's how much continuity there there feelsto be, and like Friday the thirteenth
is like an anthology series starring Jasonalmost. What I think I appreciate about
this movie is that they don't necessarilytry to be that over the top and
do that much like. The humorthat they use in this is very different,

(53:00):
I think, than the one thatthey did earlier in the franchise.
Maybe a little closer to the originalfilm than the second one, But I
don't feel like they try to gothat much over the top, and I
think the funny moments are much moresubdued. One of which is my second
favorite scene in this movie. Iwant to get your opinion on it.
Ken Free is sort of making hisway through the forest and trees, trying
to figure out where to go andfind our hero, and he comes across

(53:23):
and we get to see Leatherface alittle bit before this, but he comes
across the leather face in this likeI guess shed or something playing with a
speaking spell, and he's, youknow, like a clown comes up.
Yeah, the clown comes up onthe screen. He's typing food and he's
like getting angry at it. Ithought that scene was so awesome, and
it just it's like, it doesn'tdiscredit the character, right, It doesn't

(53:45):
make him too goofy. It makesit plays like him. It doesn't make
him not scary. Though. Iwould appreciate that scene more in like the
second one or something that really racethe dark comedy of the character more.
Let me ask you this, Conrad, as a fan, I consider myself

(54:07):
a fan of this film now,but I know you're really championed this movie.
What do you think they could havedone to really continue this as a
franchise from this point? Let's saythis Gangbusters at the box office. Would
you have liked to see them continuewith this family and this version of leather

(54:28):
Face like make direct sequels. Absolutely, yeah, I would have liked to
have seen I could see them evolvingleatherfaces look over time. Obviously he gets
new victims and makes new masks andall that stuff, so I could see
the look, you know, changingup slightly over time. I think the
Leatherface actor was really good. Icannot pronounce his name, but it's like
r A. Mihil Off or somethingthat's you want the guy playing a leather

(54:50):
Face to have a real, youknow, down southern name like r A.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean Ithought he did a good job.
I've heard unfortunate thing about people meetinghim in person, but you know,
I think it's a I might bemixing him up with the I know for
a fact that people have said thatabout the remake Leatherface, who's also in
one of my favorite movies of alltime, Batman Returns. But Chip.

(55:15):
Yeah, but honestly, yeah,I would have liked to have seen even
with how the movie was, right, like this was what the movie was,
I would have liked to have seenthis cast come back. I would
like to see the mother return.I'd like to see the little girl return.
Jennifer Bankers shot in the head.Yeah, but you know, people

(55:38):
have come back from worse. Alfredocertainly could have survived a shotgun blast direct
to the chest one hundred percent.It's horror and you can do anything.
Now. I'm honestly upset that theykilled off who they did at text.
I think reasonably could have survived ifyou really needed to force it. He
could have come back as like adisfigured killer. Yeah, you know,

(56:00):
burned up and all of that stuff. Honestly, you know, I say
this in a lot of these notbecause I'm I'm desperate to to, you
know, get hired to do amovie, but because I really do.
I think it would be cool,you know. I think that, you
know, there there are things thatI would like to see, honestly,
if i'm if I'm in charge ofremaking Friday the Thirteenth, there is a

(56:22):
Friday the thirteenth. I'm sorry,Texas Chainsaw Massacre. We've covered a lot
of horror in this episode, folks. I would take a lot from this
movie. I think there's a lotof the best of this franchise that's here.
I would have liked to have seenthat continue in a sequel. I
think they made some mistakes in killingoff who they did in the way that

(56:45):
they did so because of how definitiveit was. But I do see a
universe where a sequel could have worked. You know, maybe text you know,
calls in some cousins or something,and they you know, they get
a whole new plan together to tocommit some more atrocities. I don't know.
I also think the problem with thismovie was timing. I think I
think by nineteen ninety, you know, you had a Nightmarran, OLM Street

(57:08):
five, you had Frida thirteenth Parteight, you had Halloween five. Regardless
of how you feel about those movies, their failures were indications that the slasher
genre was just slowing down, thatpeople were losing interest. Yeah, I
think this is like, what's funnyis this feels like what a direct sequel

(57:31):
would have felt like to the originalexcluded so some things. I mean,
I if they decided, Okay,we want a direct sequel to this,
you know, make it a fewyears after the original, Let's bring in
let's give it a real budget,Let's bring in some more family members,

(57:53):
make it bigger and badder, whichis what you would normally do. For
a sequel. This is what thatkind of would feel like in a lot
of ways. And if this moviehad come out and like say nineteen eighty,
yeah, this could have led toa franchise. We could have had
a million of these movies. Wecould have had one every year. But

(58:15):
people in nineteen ninety were kind ofover slasher movies, and I don't know,
it wouldn't come back until after screen. So they say, it's crazy
how those things work. And Ithink it's unfortunate. I understand that it
has to happen, you know,you have to sort of let that pendulum

(58:36):
swing back, and during those times, maybe movies aren't as good, maybe
they're not doing as well at thebox office. I think it's unfortunate the
timing of this. Do you knowwhat the budget of this movie was?
By chance? I don't know.Off the top of my head. Looked
to me like a three million dollarmovie. I'd like to tell you,

(58:58):
but I can't find it anywhere.So that's fun. Yeah, Uh,
it's fun that. Uh. Youknow, I think that's interesting though,
because I know two didn't do aswell as they hoped, right, but
you know, you had like whatwas it the bread cover right, yea,
which is sort of infamous at thispoint, a lot of things working

(59:19):
towards that second movie. I'm justsort of confused about one thing. So
New Line has the rights for this, right, and and that's that's how
it is. It's not long afterthis that next generation is made, and

(59:39):
that is not a New Line movieflopped. So I find that interesting that
they would sell the rights because ifa movie, if if a studio got
a movie like this now and itbombed, Like I think we've kind of
seen the template, right, theyjust they just rebooted again. How is

(59:59):
that how it goes these days?You like it? I mean, like,
I can't think of a ton ofexamples, but but one that comes
off right, you know, rightoff the dome is is Leprechaun. Uh.
The same studio that did the remakeof that is I think the the
you know, the legacy sequel Ithink is doing it, I guess,
but it has nothing to do OkayLeprecaun origin. If you can't understand why

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they were not origins, not origins, Leprecun returns, right, No,
but I'm saying Lebricun Origins failed,right, so they made Leon Returns.
Yeah, so it's just so obvious, like why did our Ireland when to
go movie flop with Leprechaun fans?Oh, maybe we should actually make a
Leprechaun movie. So I mean here, it's kind of like, I mean,

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we we, I mean we dideverything the fans could have asked for.
Right, it was in Texas,it had chainsaws, people were massacred,
people weren't massacred on screen. Soagain could be a problem if if
there were Gore fans at the nineteenninety buying tickets, they would not have
been satisfied with this movie. Iguess the question is like, Okay,

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this flops, where do you gofrom here? You know, our zany,
wacky, kind of spoofy approach thatdidn't like the World on Fire are
very serious or at least serious enoughto be stacked alongside you know, the
slasher movies of the day that thatflopped too, So we don't know how

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to make a sequel to that firstmovie, and the time was not right
yet to do a remake. It'sfunny, right, because this is nineteen
ninety, that remake is two thousandand three. You know, they could
have waited ten years and made theirown remake, but ye, that was
not in the cards yet. Yeah, And you know, I want to

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ask you this because I think thismight be an interesting thing to look at
right now, Texas change some askersin a kind of an interesting place,
right Relatively, It's not a superwasn't a super high budget legacy sequel that
we got from Netflix. But Imean it looked like a looked like a
movie, looked like it was supposedto movie. It was supposed to be

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released to theaters. That was theintention. It's the only one I don't
own on physical media. I'd liketo I don't think. I don't think
it's been released in physical form.I don't know. I know Prey did
they released. Hulu released Prey.So hopefully one day Netflix will release after
a lot of demand. I don'tknow if there's that kind of demand for
Texas. Chain time asking if ifI'm thinking the way that I normally think,

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Like in a couple of years,Screen Factory will probably do a big
release of all the movies, youknow, like they did with Halloween and
Friday the Thirteenth, and they'll doa big box set. But that sort
of leads to my question, right, Like Leatherface generally is a very marketable
character. You know, you geta lot of T shirts, you get
action figures, you get all ofthese things with Leatherface as a character.
But his movies at this point,like the character is far more successful than

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his movies are, and generates muchmore revenue than his movies do, and
gets a lot more budget than hismovies do, and gets a lot more
attention than his movies do. Imean, you're seeing just as recently as
a couple of years ago. Imean, he was a heavily featured DLC
character in a Mortal Kombat video game. And so what I'm curious about here

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is is there even a demand forTexas chains On Massacre movies anymore? Or
do we just want to appreciate whatwe've already gotten from Leatherface at this point
as a horror collective. I thinkyou can make the argument that there has
not been the demand for a Texaschains On Masacer franchise. I don't think
there's really been a demand for moreLeatherface films. I think the exception to

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that is you know the remake thatpicked a lot of curiosity. Yeah,
it was a damn fine film.It was just a good slasher movie at
a time when that that subgenre couldreally need a boost, as it always
seems to need. And then Idon't know what a sequel to that would

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have done. Again, I've alwaysyou and I have speculated about why they'd
never made sequels. I think it'sbecause they chop chopped off his arm,
and they I have I'm so disappointedthat we never got leather faced with fucking
Ash Williams chainsaws. If we're evergoing to get that, that was not
the movie to do it. Ithink it was. I think it would

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have worked. I think I thinkthere was a world. No, no,
no, let me let me correctthat. I think there's a world
where it could work, and Ithink we're in that world. But I
don't know if we were in saytwo thousand and four and five, when
they would have been developing a sequel. And the interesting thing is like they're
always talking about legacy sequels or sequelsto these timelines, you know, like
like, oh, well, thereare they making a sequel to? Yeah,

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they are making a sequel to IKnow what you did. Last summer
I heard more people ask are theygoing to make a third Rob Zombie Halloween
than yeah, yeah, which isnever gonna happen. No, no,
But I've never heard anyone ask arethey finally going to make a sequel to
that Texas Chainsawn remake with Jessica Biel. I've never heard anyone ask that,

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or speculate that, or or askfor it. It's kind of crazy.
It's it was this, it wasthis one punch, and I think that's
what people want from this franchise.I think I don't think they ever want
leather their face to go away completely, but I don't think they want to
see him every couple of years.No, I could. I this is

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kind of what bugs me about horrormovies, especially remakes, right, and
I know this could be a topicof conversation. I believe the remake is
eligible for the show, and Iknow we can get deeper into this.
Actually, at a three, it'sit finally made it okay zero. It
was sitting at a two point ninefor so long, so I'm glad it's
at a three now. But wetalked about this in the Child's Play episode.
I think we've covered a couple Ithink we've covered a few remakes,

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so I can't remember exactly where thisconversation was, But there's this disappointment that
I feel towards the attitude against youknow, remakes, where even if a
remake is relatively beloved, right,we'll say relatively beloved, because I think
the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake is thatright, it's relatively beloved. People do

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like it, some people put itabove the movie that they're remaking. It
is, its reputation is quite pristine, you know, exact a big uphill
battle, and we never ever getsequels to these, and it's not like
and maybe it's me being naive inthe in the studios kind of no better
when they see, yeah, wehad a good box office for this movie,

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but you know, reception wasn't good, so we probably won't get a
good return on a sequel. Iunderstand that mindset, but nobody's got the
balls to do it. Like nobody, not Friday the thirteenth, not Nightmare
on Elm Street. Halloween is reallythe big example I can think of that
got a sequel, but it didn'tgo any further than that, even though

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they had a script and ready toshoot. Uh well, yeah, that
that movie was far closer to happeningthan people seem to real. Oh it
was, it was, it wasthere, it was, it was gonna
happen, and you know what,like and I want to say this,
like I'm so desperate for it andyou know me, like I am a

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horror for commercial stuff, right,Like when you take a movie, it's
It's one of the things I appreciatethe most about horror remakes, right because
when you think back about the horrorfilms of the seventies and the eighties and
even the nineties a little bit,you know, until you got like to
Scream when you could like, there'snot a lot of examples of a huge
commercial crossover with horror films. Yougot Nightmare on Elm Street. Did you

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know? That was like the MTVera right where you know, he's showing
up on Nickelodeon to talk about,you know, the movie coming out,
which is insane that that happened.That look that up. By the way,
Robert England went on Nickelodeon with theFreddie Glove to talk about I think
Nightmare four. I've seen it.And those kids are not prepared to talk
to Robert Ingland. No one ofthem is like, oh do you miss

(01:08:13):
playing nice guys? And I waslike, oh, well, actually,
it's funny you mentioned that because I'mdoing a film and we're actually modeling it
after the Woody Allen film Stardust.Have there seen that if these two poor
kids just look to each other,they look more scared by that question than
by the Freddie Club. It's right, But but that's that's my big thing,

(01:08:34):
right is like once we got tothe two thousands, we really started
to see like a takeoff in andsome people don't like this, but like
the commercialization of horror movies where you'dsee like the big example I can think
of starts with Texas Chainsaw Massacre remakein two thousand and three. Right,

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you see, not only do yousee posters everywhere, you're seeing tie in
merchandise, You're seeing you're seeing iteverywhere, and then you started seeing that
with the rest of them, rightLike Rob Zombie's Halloween was everywhere when it
was coming out, My Bloody Valentinewas everywhere when that was coming out,
Nightmare Friday the thirteenth. Just thethought of horror movies being taken to that

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level, and not that we're atan awful point in time now, right,
like you know, sure like peoplecan argue that there's a little too
much of a push for this elevatedhorror, right, but ultimately, like
the movies are still good. Ijust kind of miss the idea of like
a commercialized horror and in it beinga franchise, you know. And maybe

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it doesn't have the legs for that. Maybe the what they're making doesn't have
the legs. But I don't knowwhy Texas Chainsaw had a good chot.
The way I'll put it is,I'm a populist. I like my critical
I like my snobby art house stufftoo. I have a lot of Criterion
movies right next to me, butI always want the to have a commercial

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power, and they do. It'sjust very different. So Long Legs,
that's the movie that's tearing up thecharts, and you know, I mean,
I've never heard people so astonished atbox office numbers. And what Long
Legs did in its opening weekend isa twenty two million dollar opening weekend.
Holy shit, I'm pretty shocked bythat, to be honest with this,

(01:10:23):
but I was really really awestruck.You know. I watched the TCM remake
last night and I looked it up. I mean, the movie made over
one hundred million dollars at the boxoffice, Like, I don't really.
I mean, that's a brain meltingfigure compared to Long Legs. I don't
know what it'll end up doing atthe box office. And this is not
talking about quality. It's not amovie that's trying exactly do those numbers.

(01:10:46):
Not at all. But people arealways like, horror is back, Horror
is back. It's you know,twenty two million dollar opening weekend, but
just where horror used to be.I mett call me shallow. I want
those numbers. I want us tocontinue doing those numbers. Man. I'm
like Matthew mcnaughey and The Wolf ofWall Street. You know, gotta get

(01:11:09):
those numbers up. Not that notthat a movie like Long Lakes needs to
do that, but I think weneed those ten pole franchises or ten pole
characters. Yeah, and it's notlike you don't have them nowadays. I
mean, Halloween made a good amountof money the first one that came back,
and then it yeah, me,it did amazing. It was that
was a big deal. That wasIsn't that the highest grossing horror movie of

(01:11:30):
all time? Is it? Ithink it is. I guess that wouldn't
be that wouldn't be surprising. Ithink it is. I guess it is.
I guess it is. But evenlike, I know what you did
last the original, I mean onehundred and ten million dollars, Yeah,
in nineteen ninety eight, Like whatthe hell? Like a I like that
movie, but you know, inthe grand scheme of things, it's kind

(01:11:51):
of a mid tier horror movie.And yeah, had had some star power,
but one hundred and ten million dollarsreally really yeah, Chucky movies can't
even get released to theaters anymore.Texas Chainsawn movies don't get released in theaters
anymore. But I know what youdid last summer? Yeah? How many

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seven? Wait? What am Isaying? Like nine figures? Yeah?
What nine figures? Right? Idon't know. I mean, I mean
to relate it back to this movie, though, Like we're sort of at
a point now where it's not quiteas it was in the early nineties and
even into the mid nineties, wherelike people are sort of starred for good

(01:12:34):
horror movies and they feel really likethe horror movies that do have big budgets
feel like sellouts, to the moviesthat have small budgets feel really cheap.
And we're not there now. Ithink now overall horror as far as quality
is at one of the best pointsthat it's ever been at, as far
as like you have people who makemovies for like thirty bucks that are really

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high quality stuff. I mean,I'm sitting here with a person who made
a low budget horror movie that reallydid a good job at doing what it
was setting out to do. Andyou can do that on so many levels,
whether it's independent or even big budgetmovies. I mean, one could
argue that A Quiet Place is kindof doing that. Now. It's not
necessarily a movie that I thought orwanted to, you know, get a

(01:13:16):
franchise out of, but it's stillmaking good money at the box office.
People are still talking about it,and I like a lot, So,
you know, it disappoints me whenI look back at a movie like Leatherface
and I see it at a placein an unfortunate position where it kind of
came out like a movie would now. It just doesn't have a lot of

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hype, didn't do a lot atthe box office, and there are movies
that get lost in the shuffle likethat now, But even now, I
think that movie would have a betterchance considering the Netflix movie did pretty I
mean, like as far as peoplewatching it, Like a lot of people
did watch it. So I don'tknow, man, I think I think

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you were right when you said TexasChainsaw Massacre needs to take a little bit
of a break. I think itcould have benefited from a longer break back
in nineteen nine. Maybe a franchisethat is like a once in a generation
thing. I think some franchises requirethat kind of time. I mean that
general, that generational break from theoriginal to the remake. They gave that

(01:14:21):
movie a lot. It gave itthe breathing room to find its own identity,
to put their own spins on tropesthat are very, very true to
that original movie. It's it almostfinds that perfect balance tonally, at least
of doing their own thing but sayingtrue to the original. I think substance
wise, that's where I think theyplayed it too safe. But you know,

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I mean with the numbers that itdid, I mean, it's hard
to argue with that success. RightIronically, I think the prequel had a
lot more substance to it, definitelyin terms of plot and characters. And
then that's a movie that I thinkis considered kind of just torture porn.
People don't think that movie has anythinggoing on so this franchise, and there's

(01:15:12):
no consensus around it. That's thebig thing. There's not even a consensus
about what the best movie in thisfranchise is because a lot of people love
that remake more than the original.I will never get there, but I
acknowledge that we're going to see wherewe both land. Yeah, we will,
so stay tuned. But I knowwe've talked a lot about things that
are not exactly this movie. We'vehad a wide ranging topic. We do

(01:15:35):
talk to a decent amount about thismovie too, Yeah, we have.
But this movie's place in the historyof this franchise to me, is just
as puzzling as anything, because again, it was a moment where leather Face
could have taken the throne. Likefor a guy who he's a household name,

(01:15:56):
I actually disagree with you. Idon't think he's very marketable. Think
he's actually extremely off putting to normalmoviegoers. Really, okay, I think
he's very popular in the horror community, which we are a part of.
That's that's sort of what I meant, Like, he doesn't have as much
crossover appeal as like a Freddy Krueger, right, which I'm baffling to me
because he's a you know, childmurderer. But I mean, even Michael

(01:16:18):
Myers is pretty profitable. I think. I think recent examples too, like
Sam from Trick or Treat, likethat makes sense, he's not quite there,
but like, it's not unheard offor you to go out in public
and see, you know, aTexas Chainsaw massacre shirt. You're you're just
not seeing that for characters like Ijust Art the clown nowadays, right he
I mean he's a guy who wearshuman skin. Yeah, he's a cannibal.

(01:16:45):
He kills people with a chainsaw.It's just very off putting, I
think to the general person. I'mnot saying that it's too off putting,
although some of those movies kind oftest that. But there's a reason why
they can't make a franchise with aleather face the way they did with Michael.
I don't know anybody who is likekind of off put by Michael Myers

(01:17:06):
unless he's being directed by Rob Zombiewho or his inspiration from Toby Hooper the
creator, or just well that's adifferent kind of problem. Yeah, putting
it a different way. I'm nottalking about the quality of the movie.
Is just like something that's so alienatingabout the character. Oh god, I

(01:17:29):
can't believe we didn't mention this.It's amazing that this movie didn't do better
because it has maybe the best teasertrailer evermber certainly for a horror movie.
Yeah. I actually made a videoabout this when I had my own channel,
and I use that teaser trailer inthere because it's incredible. It's certainly
i'll say misleting maybe for tone.The tone of the teaser trailer. For

(01:17:56):
those who haven't seen it, pleaselook it up. Just look up Leatherface,
Texas Chains Massacre three teaser on YouTube. You'll find it. It's very
easy. It is wonderful. Idon't want to put it in this video
because I don't want to get copyrightstriked. I don't think we could reasonably
put it in there. However,watch it and you will see what I
mean. Like it's it's a completelydifferent tone than the movie is. However,

(01:18:18):
it is legendary, one of myfavorite horror teasers of all time.
It's more famous and well liked thanthe movie. That's an excellent point.
I didn't think about that. You'reabsolutely right. It is more remembered and
more talked about. I've seen itshared in horror groups. And then people
are like, I didn't know thismovie existed, or oh, I haven't

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seen this movie in years, totallyforgot this existed. Yeah, man,
I can't believe we didn't bring thatup either at the beginning of this,
Like, I didn't even think aboutit. But yes, because I know
you're a big fan of marketing,huge fan of marketing. Who knows,
maybe that might come up on thechannel later as well. But yeah,
it's it's not it's exactly related tothe movie, but yeah, I could

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not related enough. Yeah it's related, but I could not bring that up
in a way. I'm almost wonderingif the marketing kind of hurt because I
don't. It's it's not a trailerthat gives everything away, but almost feels
like a complete experience. It's likeit's own short film. It's like,
yeah, I'm good, I'm good. And it's not long either, like

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like the way that like people talkabout it. It's not like a long
teaser trailer. It's it's just socomplete in itself and it and it deserves
to be up there with some ofthe best horror trailers like ever. For
me, I think it definitely is. I can't even think of the teaser
trailer that really competes with it,although it faint. But again, let

(01:19:48):
us know, there's I remember theJason Takes a Manhattan one that was pretty
famous. Yeah, there are somegood ones out there, you know,
but this one deserves to be inthat conversation. If the movie does,
don't get the respect it deserves,damn it. Give the teaser the respect
that deserves. Give this movie something. Come on, people. So with

(01:20:08):
that being said, I know I'veI've said my piece. Yeah, I
feel I feel good. I guesswe're ready to go into our final verdict.
All right, people, the rulesare still the same. We have
a four tier ranking system. Youare either that bad, not that bad,
actually good, or so help youGod, you might actually be great.

(01:20:30):
Or if you're Cody Leitch, thereis a special fifth option called actually
fucking awesome person that's reserved for him. Yeah. Now, I I'll go
ahead and go first. Let's hearyou're the big fan. Let's save your
word for last. Yeah, I'vealluded to this, but my thoughts on
this movie have changed. I wasremarkably unimpressed with it the first time I

(01:20:51):
saw it. I thought it wasa very sad attempt at turning Leatherface,
a truly singing character, distinguished character, into just another Jason Borhees. And
I understand why I thought that,But my most recent rewatch made me see

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a lot of things that I justmissed the first time. I saw an
incredible cast of characters, remarkably twistedimagination. It's very well executed and open
intended sequences in Mayhem. I particularlylike that battle on the lake with the
chainsaw rotating around. Oh yeah,I don't think that's how that works,

(01:21:36):
but I'll forgive it for that moviea number of great characters. It has
more good characters than most acclaimed horrormovies can boast. Unfortunately, we're saddled
with the two worst characters for themajority of the runtime. I'm not sure
if I want to see a sequelto this. I'm not sure if I

(01:21:59):
was left to hung read for more. Like the best Texas chainsaw mask movie,
it just felt like a good oldsledgehammer to the head, you know,
And I had a complete experience withit I'm satisfied. I have ordered
the Blu Ray, which there aresome movies that I would rank higher than
this in this franchise that I wouldnot do so, so I have a

(01:22:24):
personal fondness for it, even evenbeyond just how much I respect it as
a mood. So all that beingsaid, y'all are crazy A two point
what three? Two point three?Get out of here. This is that's
crazy. This is actually good forsure. Love it, love it,

(01:22:45):
love it, love it. Iguess it's my turn, and yeah,
I'm not not going to straight fromthe pack here. This this movie has
been one that I've been fond ofsince my first watch of it. I
love you know, like, sometimesthe movie has everything going for it before
I even put it in, andthis movie did. It had a great

(01:23:05):
covers on its Blu Ray and DVD, had a awesome teaser trailer that I
saw for it, great branding,great marketing that I saw. It wasn't
really marketed heavily back then, butyou know now a days, when you
go online you search things up,there's art for it, There's all of
these things, and I think thishas some of the one of the coolest

(01:23:26):
looks before you even get into themovie. Once you get into it,
I mean, there are things todislike. There are things we didn't even
get to in this episode because there'sthere's so many things that we wanted to
praise. I mean there's there's there'sthings like the not so good score of
the movie, which doesn't stand outat all. Not that these movies usually
do, but this one's particularly notgreat. You know, there are the

(01:23:48):
movie is relatively cheap looking at certainpoints, but I think this movie also
has really cool cinematography when you canactually see what's going on. Has the
cool List family, in my mind, than the best version of this Sawyer
family, despite losing the patriarch thatwe had in the first movie, which
I believe was executed via gas chamber. If we were to believe the opening

(01:24:11):
crawl. I don't know what thatopening crawl is about. That's a whole
different story we would have. Thisis the one time I wish we'd been
without an opening crawl. But Iget it back to you. But this
this also had some of the coolestmoments in the franchise, some of what
I would call the best moments inthe Texas Chains. Some ASACER movies,
A franchise that I hold deer inmy heart as as one of my favorite

(01:24:34):
horror franchises. I'd say so.I mean, at the end of the
day, when it comes to whatI want to give this, I really
want to go higher, and I'mgoing to this movie is at the bottom
of this category, but I believeit deserves an actually great. I gave

(01:24:56):
the bottom tier app actually bottom tieractually great. Yeah, you know,
because because that's still really high.But I wouldn't. I would say there
are movies I've put in actually greatthat that don't measure up to this.
I would say, like this isthis is better than they actually great that
I think I gave lepre Cown threeor lepre Con four. In Space you
gave four and actually great. Huh, I don't remember I gave lepra Con

(01:25:21):
two and actually great. I thinkI gave lepra coun Returns and actually great.
And I would probably put these onthe same level. I have the
same level of appreciation. I thinkthey have the same level of charm for
me. Obviously, there's you know, a curve regretting on a curve here.
I mean, this is if youasked me to compare this to uh,
you know the lineup for the AcademyAwards. Most given years, I

(01:25:44):
would still give an actually good Tobe honest, yeah, I would probably
watch this over a lot of thosemovies. To be honest with you,
this is when I visit a lot. I revisit this movie a lot.
We'll see, you know, atthe time you're watching this, either a
ranking is coming soon or it's alreadyout, maybe coming from the ranking to
see our thoughts on this movie extendedpast, you know, the short little
blurbs that we give in that.But I like this movie a whole lot.

(01:26:09):
I revisit it more than most moviesin this franchise. I will say
this is this is actually a timewhere doing an episode on a movie has
has changed my opinion because I onlysaw it the one time before we decided
to do an episode on it.In fact, you know, I know
you had wanted to and I justwasn't that interested in revisiting it. Uh.
And I don't know why I clickedfor me this time. Maybe I

(01:26:31):
just didn't have a stick up myass this time, because most of my
life, I'm glad I've been atotal CCM purist, like I would have
understandable that first movie is is legendarylevels of acclaim. Like I know,
people nowadays are coming around and there'salways been the people who it's not for
me, but it's it's transcended,it's franchise. I mean it's it's even

(01:26:58):
more so, I think than Halloween. Uh it's it's just the movie that
stands out the most from the restof the ones that that came after it,
whether you think it's the best ornot. Yeah, I was about
to take a shot at Halloween.I'm not gonna do anymore. So,
I mean, I will kill youif you do. I'm joking. No,

(01:27:20):
let's uh wrap this up because Connorand I have another video to record,
so everybody, let's uh, let'spart ways. Let's uh say audios
and just remember, just remember there'sroadkill all over Texas and there's a hell
of a lot of that is isuh TCM sequels. Yeah, yeah,

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(01:28:29):
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