August 26, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, we dive into the wild rumor that Marvel might actually adapt Judgment Day for the MCU — the massive storyline where the Avengers, X-Men, and Eternals throw down. We’re talking potential characters, how the plot could play out, and what kind of chaos Marvel would have to unleash to make it work on screen. From giant cosmic brawls to the moral dilemmas that come with a Celestial judging humanity, we break down how this could shake up the future of Marvel films.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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First Miss Derpy features, Oh Internet.
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That was good. That was good.
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He does from time to talk. You can't say he
doesn't features. I know you like Cyclops, but even as
a Wolverine fan, I could admit there are times that
Wolverine sucks. You should be able to realize that there
are times that Cyclops no, unquestionably sucks.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
No, there are times when he does suck, and.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
There are times that he doesn't. There are times that
he's great, like that one Free Comic Book Day this
year he had a great little.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Fast where he does like fuck is sand.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
All right? Well.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
The reason that we're recording today is something that's been
kind of floating around on the interwebs that caught my attention.
Is something that we've been talking about on this show
for actually a very long time since the original book
came out in twenty twenty two, and that is there's
a potential that the MCU might be bringing Judgment Day
storyline to the broader landscape, and that's wild because Judgment
(01:17):
Day was a crazy crossover that I'm not gonna lie.
I only read the original six issues. I did not
care about all the giants because I'm not a big
Eternals fan, but I know features was pretty into that
when it came out.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, because that was that was I mean, yeah, I
was because it was X Men and like it was.
It came in the middle of the Krakoa era, which
you know that was a big thing for X Men,
but ax Happening was like, that was another I think,
very good story arc that happened.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh it was great. It was great.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But the prominent also is it came on the heels
of X Men versus in Humans, which was well a
couple of years earlier and everyone hated vehemently. So when
they were like, we're making Eternals movie and they're gonna
fight the X Men, We're all like, oh god, not again.
But they did a lot of setup in that to
get to that book to where it was. And the
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reason why that book is really important is it does
a not only a good job of bringing over all
of these big three teams together, but expanding on the
lore of who the Eternals are, but more importantly readjusting
the way that the X Men could be brought into
the broader MCU, because they really do a lot of
retconning on how life came about on Earth in the
(02:29):
first place and how the X Men's are involved with
the Eternals and the Deviants, which was a really cool
way of going about it. Yeah, so real fast, let's
just do a quick little breakdown on the book. Because
the book was it was Kirie and Gillan wrote it.
It was in twenty twenty two. It was only six issues,
but a crap ton of the Death of the X
Men was one of them.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Judgment. There was a lot of tie in.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It wasn't many issues of the book, but it was
like Spider Verse, where you had to read a whole
lot in order to get the whole thing. Yeah, and
it was also Eternals heavy, so a lot of people
skipped it because as much as Marvel was trying to
make the Internal Special special at that time, no one cared.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And at the sad part is you had to read
the Eternals prior to to get the gist of it.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What was about to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
To be honest, the whole book, as far as both
the X Men and the Eternals were concerned, you needed
a lot of homework to make it make sense. Yeah,
there was a lot of work that led into this book,
into the crossover, but it was still a really fun read.
So the nuts and bolts of it. Without going into
too much detail, maybe we'll talk about some of our
favorite moments, but just the gist of the book is
that while the Deviants have pretty much been beaten back,
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the existence of X Men come from a deviant gene
that was in their system to eventually broad blossom into mutants.
So yes, humanity merging with deviants now originally from what
I remember, and correct me if I'm wrong, But in
the older broader Marvel lore, it was the the Celestials
(03:56):
would show up on Earth. They would create the Eternals
and the Deviants and the human and then they would
let the Deviants and the Eternals fight it out to
figure out who was the more dominant, and then they
would judge the Earth. That will scuse me, that planet
based on which of those two races succeeded. If the
Deviants succeeded, that that planet was gone. Right, But They
also introduced the X gene as like chaos factor. So
(04:17):
the so after so many thousands or you know, one
hundred thousand years or whatever, the crazy number was that
the extreene would then show up in people and that
humans could now stand toe to toe with eternals and deviants. Yes,
so if neither of them could get a stronghold, all
of a sudden, the humans have the ability to fight back,
which is what modern mutants became, which you know, that's
(04:37):
we were all cool with that for a very long time,
as long as I'm not getting that wrong, and I'm
pretty sure I'm not. Yeah, now, in the new one,
and they did a lot of precursor work to set
this up, which is there was a one of the
oldest of the Celestials crash landed on Earth while it
was being attacked, and it was bleeding out into the soil,
(04:58):
and its blood then became life as we know it
on the planet, right, and the deviant gene at some
point was passed to humans, which was why the Eternals
in this new arc are willing to fight the X
Men because their their mission in life is to wipe
out the deviants, and while they may have succeeded. I
(05:18):
forget the term they used throughout the book, like the
extra deviations or something like that, Yeah, X deviations or
I forget, it's something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
It was something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I can't remember exactly where, but it will stick with
like the just the deviation, the deviation.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They bring it up a lot and that. But what
they're referring to is is the X Men. Yeah, so
that and then it becomes a whole fight between at
first the X Men and the Avengers trying to hold off.
It was who's the mind control dude cured?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, And if if you guys remember Drewik from the
Eternals movie for whoever did watch that out there, Drewik
was the guy that you kind of like went off
on his own into the into the woods and just
kind of had that that that following the people that
cult following he didn't want to deal with the uh,
the plan for of the Celestials anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
In the movie, well, he was essentially the leader of
all of the celestial or that Celestials the Eternals at
this point. And what's cool about the book is that
we learned that the Eternals population is much larger than
we think it is. So you're there's your basic Eternals
and not all of them have kind of picked the
side of the Eternals. But then there's also these gigantic
uh they almost look like mech robots, but they're supposed
(06:29):
to be Eternals.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, there to wipe out the x men. Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And essentially they're what they're they What Drewig says to
the world is, hey, these these mutants have figured out
how to bring themselves back, and we can't allow that
because that's our thing. Yeah, and that's copyright infringement. So
I'm gonna wipe them out because they're a little too
close to what makes us special.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I want to add though, because in that note, the
on that note, the Eternals were very hypocritical because their
resurrection process actually killed people.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, it killed somebody somewhere at random. Right, there was
no rhyme or reason to it.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's true, but they don't care. Yeah, because again,
the Eternals suck.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Look.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I like the Eternals movie. I am not one of
the people who think that was a bad movie. And
I know I've now said too many times of the
bad things that I like. But the I don't think
Eternals is that terrible because it's unique in the fact
that it has no real villain, right that you can
see the motivation for every single person and you can
justify any of their stances on why they need to
(07:37):
do what they do. And I think that's something Marvel
doesn't do a lot. They have pretty cookie cutter villains. Yeah,
like that's what That's what may kill Manger so good
is that you understood his reasoning. That's why I made
Thanos MCU Thanos more interesting than well, maybe more interesting.
I guess that's debatable, but we'll call it differently interesting
to the to his.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Comic book counterpart interesting adjacent.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But speaking of Thanos, that's another major character who's bought
to this, which is, as we know, Thanos is an
eternal and his grandfather plays a very big role. And
boyle boy in twenty minutes, does he show the world
why he's important. When I say world, I mean Mars.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And specifically Iraco, which was the secondary home of the
mutants from a from Earth.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And arguably the you know, yes all Megamutes, the d
one planet of moods. Yeah, that's the one you want
to be on. I mean, I know it didn't. At
the end of that twenty minutes, you definitely didn't want
to be there. But that was the home team, right,
(08:44):
That was that was Cable, that was Storm, that was
that was Magneto.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Magneto had such a cool moment. Oh my good. Yeah,
Magneto is cool.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, he's he got his heart ripped out of his
body and.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
All right, now go ahead, we said it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
But and then he just wells himself to live. He
uses his mentu powers to retranslate, move his blood around
to be able to carry Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Everybody goes like, how do he move his blood? He
only control his metal, the iron in his blood specifically.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They don't necessarily say that, but we all kind of
just go with it the most sense. But man, that
was still I mean, I thought that the crazier moment
was the one I forget the mutants name that creates metal.
Oh uh, he's just using him like an ammal bag. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah. There was a lot of really cool moments.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But Uranos uh Fanus's grandfather, which you know, make all
the jokes you won, you wouldn't make those jokes.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
If he showed up. I'm just no no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
He is one of the most terrifying villains because he
has an hour essentially to wipe out the the the
mutant menace on Mars and does it in twenty minutes,
and his.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Walks around Mars after day.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's like it's some good work.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
He mentions, it's just like, hey, so, like I know
this is taking you got centuries and millennia, but I'm
gonna I'm gonna undo it in like an hour, Like yeah,
time me, let's go.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Basically, so it is. It's an interesting book. It's definitely
worth a read. It's a very long if you pull
everything together, it's really long. But I don't know how
much of the tie ins that you need to go into.
But the six issues that the actual books about is
interesting because in the middle of the book, where you
think that it's mostly just about this fight, it takes
a wild turn where the Avengers essentially resurrect the original
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celestial through building their own version by all pieces of
celestials that were left over on the planet Yep. And
they think that it's going to be their buddy when
they turn it on or they wrong, and he essentially says,
I we're judging you and if if you don't pass
the judgment, if there's more bad than good on this planet,
we're wiping the plant it out. Which if we remember
(11:02):
the end of the Eternals movie and the first credit
scene with airsham, I guess that's not the post credit scene,
but the airsham scene. Yeah, he's like, I'm coming back
for Judgment Day. Yes, we have been theorized like this
for a long time. I remember I kept saying we
were gonna get an Airsham Galactus fight. Yeah, but I
don't think that's gonna happen anymore. But good lord, do
I want this movie?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
If this has been in Marvel's plans, man, they've been
cooking and I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I think it is to like, you know how when
they announce movies, they just show us a lot of
a lot of logos and they're like, we're.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Gonna do this. I think that's what this is.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think they've always had it in the plan because
they wanted the Eternals to be something special and it
would have been a really cool Avengers crossover and they
could have just done Avengers versus Eternals and the same
kind of story. Yeah, but they now the emphasis is
so much on bringing the X Men in. I'm sure
they change their plans a bit. But how they pull
this off, when they pull this off, and in which
phase do they try it is the big question I see.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Like in five years ish, after Doomsday is over, after
we get the new casting of the Avengerous characters, Captain
Americas and stuff, we're already laying the groundwork for a
lot of these characters. Where we already got Doom, who's
an important character in this, we're getting the X Men.
We've already got Beast in one of those movies, so
we're on the right path for this thing to actually happen.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, and it's probably a means of introducing the X Men.
I mean, if they're it'll p if they do it
before Secret Wars, which I don't think.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Is probably gonna happen, but let's say they do.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
It'll be more time we spend with this X Men
Doomsday team. Because remember, there's rumor of an X Men
movie before any of this, Like there's a rumor of
one recently happening, and we all kind of assumed that
was going to be Avengers versus X Men. But what
if that movie is AX what if that's what if
it's X Men Judgment Day?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yo, Yeah, and they introduce us.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
To the team the right then and there, and then
we already know the Avengers, so we don't need to
be introduced to them. We already know the Eternals. We
don't need to be introduced to them. We just get
that story through the Mutants, and we get it at
the Xavier Mansion instead of Krakoa.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
That and that, you know, but them building up doom
to be what doom should be in this in this
universe of the MCU. We get this moment spoiler alert
in Judgment Day where he's getting ready to be judged
and he's like, no, I pass.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, which would be incredible. I mean, after the the
flop of Captain America four, it can't be Sam Wilson
who gets judged because there was a really awkward moment
where CAP's getting judged and he does not get judged properly. No,
I do not agree with the celestials opinion of Captain
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America because he's like, you're a fan, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
you notice how everybody listens when he speaks, right, that's
a whole book. Whatever he says goes like every time.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And I think that that probably was the only the
one time where where Captain America didn't come through, and
it was because people were so terrified they just like,
I can't, I don't want to hear that cap try
to say it.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, it was the it's they were judging him on
things that are not really his It's not his decisions today, right,
he can't force the country to be great, and that's
what he was getting judged on. We're going way to
the comedy here, so let's real look back into the MCU.
I'm just saying that you can't do it necessarily with Sam.
You know who, You could do it with Steve, who
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calls the incursions.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yep. Oh yeah, Now you.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Can judge him because if that's all the doomsday rumors
right now, is that doom is trying to hunt down
Steve for causing the incursions. You can also have Ersham
say you're a failure because you doomed the multiverse in
trying to have a life, right, yep, So there's an
interesting way you can still do that. But I don't
think any of that's gonna happen if I mean the
way I'd say it is, your lance in a box
(14:51):
is probably right. That's probably going to be after Secret Wars,
and it's kind to be after the reboot and all
that stuff, so we'll already have Stevens stuff and it'll
be a redone timeline. But if they do it beforehand,
it's the Xavier Mansion and Iraco uh is now gionosha
yep on this new you know it can do. And
the nice thing is after Doomsday you can say that
(15:13):
it's a merged world, so you can have right, you
can have it be a singular timeline that's been merged together,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And it still works because the Celestials exist outside of.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, it's gotta it's weird how they're gonna pull that
part off, because it's for for him to come back
and judge everybody after an event like Secret Wars. Just
give us a breaker. Yeah right, bro, it's a whole
different timeline. Not we've cast the entire Eternals team. You
can't judge us for their actions. This this is the
(15:46):
Justice Gang now, all right, you don't don't judge us
from them.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So many people were saying, you know, like that there
was so many MC movies and TV shows that they
were just like, we're gonna pretend that didn't happen. But
lately we've been getting a lot of sins being tied up.
Do you think that this was the long game, that
they knew what they were doing the entire time, or
is this something that like we're gonna we're gonna fix
this and we're going to be better with MC.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I think it feels like it could have been long game.
But honestly, I would probably say they're they're they've taken
lemons and are making some very sweet lemon eight.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
If it's going to be the process, it's an interesting
way to put that. I think it's probably a little column.
May a little column be. I think they started throwing
stuff at the wall in post credit scenes that they
intended to pick up later, but then the things started
to change when audiences started to leave.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'm going for hercules.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Oh sure, and that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Four or five or five will have hercules, But I
bet you it's not going to be a great Hercules thing.
It'll probably be like a team up and it won't
be what the original plan was. Whatever the original plan
was and there, and you can argue there might not
have been an original plan. They just were like, Hey,
if the Eternals do well, let's do Judgment day, right,
(17:00):
Because I'll tell you what that is a hell of
a way to end with Airsham to Judge showing back up,
like you guys have like what are you giving a
year or whatever? I forget how much time you gave it,
because again I have was Look, I don't hate that movie,
but let's not act like I've watched it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
A bus either.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Doesn't doesn't have the rewatchability as some of the other
MCU projects, But I do think the bringing Arisham back
and closing that thread in a way that brings the
broader MCU together is a huge way of making the
Eternals popular in a way their solo.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Movie just couldn't do. Yeah, And it's not a bad way.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's not a bad way to close the chapter on
the Eternals and then never bring them up again. It's
in Humans right now. It's the same thing with the Humans.
We've been through this already with the TV show for
the in Humans. We saw what they did to the
X Men during that, just like when the Eternals were
coming around. They had a lot to do with the
X Men because they really wanted to figure out an
easy we'll call it the Cosmic Cube to Space Stone
(17:59):
can action to the mutants on Earth because we kept
we kept trying to figure out how in the world
do you bring mutants into the broader MCU. And we
know in the multiverse that mutants already exist, So it's
not going to be some ship like they bring mutants
in from another universe that's not happened. There's already a
reason in the birth of the world why there are mutants,
and this is a much easier way to go about it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And you could do some crazy stuff like use magic
to remove Tiament from the is that I think that's
his name from the center of the Earth and right,
and here's the thing, what if, dude, what if you
don't do life Bringer galactis you bring Tiament back as
the life Bringer and have him fight Arisham.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, so that's a way to.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Bring It's a way to bring in the originals, the
original celestials meaning for existence, right, and he was also
the one that crashed land on the Earth. Remember he
was a mountain for a very long time before anybody
realized he was.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
The progenitor was Team it was actually being born in
the MC.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, that's that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that you
can merge those two together in some degree. Yeah, so
you can use and then you can also merge in
with the concept of life Bringer Galactus that they did
in Secret Wars. Remember at the end of Secret At
the end of Secret Wars, we get a version of
Galactis that's that's controlled by Franklin. Franklin that brought life
(19:22):
to the multiverse again. You could have Team and be
the one that does that. You can have Franklin be
the one that brings Team back, using Doctor Strange to
get him out without destroying the Earth, and then have
him be the life Bringer.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know what, if that's going to be cased, then
this definitely happens after Secret Wars and we need to
Fantastic four in the universe, and that makes everything solid.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It doesn't make it solid, It makes it way better
than what I think Secret Wars actual end was. I
thought kind of a cop out and I didn't love. Okay,
So for big old Spoilerler for Secret Wars the twenty
fifteen Jonathan Hickman. At the end of that book is
a great moment between Doom and Read and Doom and
it's that he's not better than Read, and it's a
really cool fight. But then they have the problem of
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recreating the multiverse, and it's Franklin creating universes like he
does and then his dad throwing them out into the void.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's dumb.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
The fact that mister that mister frank fantastic was throwing
universes out like that they would eventually blossom into timelines
was stupid. Now, if you do it, because we've already
seen what a celestial can do. If you have Franklin
resurrect Team you can have Teamate already have the power
established in the MCU to recreate timelines and worlds.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
The pieces are there exactly, so.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You change it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
You don't make it Galactus anymore. You make it he
controls a celestial.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah. I like that. I like that a lot. Do
we see that in a on screen or do we
see that in a tie in comic?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
On screen? On screen? Screen?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It was that Chekhov's gun.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, wars budget for this type of thing, right.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, yeah, they're I think it's the way you end
Secret Wars. It's because the post credit scene of Yes,
Franklin creating universes with.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Team that would be dope, that will be dope. I
think it's a good way to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And and it brings and it ushers in the new
timeline very easily, and we get you can even Actually
you do a make credit scene of creating universes, and
then you do a post credit scene it's like three
years later, and then you get your new Steve Rodgers,
you get your new Iron Man, you get the world
as you've always known it. You get people talking about
the X Men, you get people talking about Spider Man,
and it's like, oh my god, it's the Marvel universe
(21:31):
we've always wanted on screen. Everybody's together, a singular timeline
of all of the stories and possibilities that we've always wanted,
and all will be right with the world.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Now it'll be really interesting. And I actually want to
throw this over at a lance because I have a
feeling this is going to play a role with a
lot of stuff moving forward. I don't know how I
feel about it, but it's Jeff the Shark oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So, so for the last several MCU movies are kid friendly,
character has been Baby Group and everyone loves Baby Group.
But in the future MCU wants to move away from
Baby Group and put Jeff the land Shark in and
give him that comic relief role as the adorable character.
(22:15):
And I'm I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I love I love it. How do you introduce him?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
How do you introduce him?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
From what I remember the first time I saw Jeff
bland Shark. And again, I am not somebody who goes
out and buys Jeff Shark books.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I know, That's why I threw it. I know him
from a Deadpool book.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, so you just have him.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh you could have him like following Deadpool around and
Deadpool just being really annoyed by it, and just have
it this small thing throughout the whole Secret Wars movie
where he's just like.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh God, you're saying how annoying he is, and the
whole time, I don't understand. This thing is just so annoying,
and it's yeah, bro, we.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Know they have him chewing up the credits at the end.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, I mean, it's a smart idea. Because Jeff the
land Shark is, obviously because of Rivals, wildly popular. He's
the only character that that is like, we've had Throg,
We've had we had a bunch of animal variations of
characters that have never made the kind of impact that
Jeff the land Shark did since Rivals came out.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Crocodile, yes, and then uh, Crookie.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And one of my favorite Jeff things is during the
Venom War when he gets to the venoms Mbia and
his venom Jeff, it's freaking great. I would love to
see that.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, but it's something about just throwing Jeff on the
name of yes, cosmic Jeff.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
You know, just Jeff is.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
A funny for all the people that are going to
see this. If you could just like, if you guys
could share this enough so that some Marvel execs somewhere
see this.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Have Jeff the Shark.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
If there's any words you can give him telegram man,
yes it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Are you that land shark?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Now?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Candogram flowers got flowers? If he says candygram one time,
I'll lose my mind. It would be a perfect way
to bring him in.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's just I can't wait. If the rumors are true.
I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Well, so we got a lot of interesting things with Marvel.
I mean, look, I know that DC right now has
everyone's attention and other than Spider Man.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
If it's not Spider Man, no, it's DC right now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But this kind of news and the reason why I
wanted to make sure we spend a little time on it.
Not only is it something that we've been talking about
forever and it's it being a potential, but this is
the kind of way that you outdo endgame.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yes, this is.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And then the unfortunate truth is you're gonna need a
few endgames to outdo endgame. Endgame was so good. You
can't just have an endgame alternative. You need an endgame
that leads to an endgame that ends in an endgame.
But if this is a Judgment Day, is a good
one to go into doomsday, which is a good one
to go into Secret Wars or Doomsday Judgment Day Secret Wars.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Actually, I mean you should just keep the Day thing going.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Here's the thing, Judgment Day, brand New Day.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Crack the code.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
There might be something there for anybody. I don't think
we actually even brought up where this was from the
reason where this all comes from.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I think we said.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It briefly in the beginning, I think, but it's from
the cosmic circus. From Alex perez On on his Q
and A discords that he does, he was asked what
projects are you most excited for?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And by the way, he is a he's a reputable
leaker on this kind of stuff. He has been right
on a lot of things. But like all leakers, he's
been right on a bunch I've been wrong on a
bunch of things as well, so take everything with a
grain of salt. But his answer was he said, that
has announced brand new day, Doomsday and secret wars that
hasn't been announced.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Judgment day Judgment, and that made me lose.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
My lose my mind.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Doesn't even even if they don't put it in the
mix of all these things, just day itself could really
just be the mutant saga, and I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's the way they started. I think it's going.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, So it's a great way to start it because
you can even say that's the reason why the MCU
hasn't had hasn't had mutants is that they quite literally
the Devians were wiped out and removed. And that's why
the Eternals movie was so important, is because and that's
why the Eternals were hiding the whole time. We're in
other worlds. The Eternals were a much bigger deal, and
a part of it because they were more connected, because
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mutants were everywhere, and they weren't sure about why they
were so activated. There are ways that you can make
this work. I don't think they're going to go into
that much detail, but regardless, it does seem like a
smart move, especially when we're hearing words like Spider Man
for is going to be ripped right from a comic.
Superman was ripped right from a comic, like Fantastic Four
(26:48):
rip right from a comic. This is one of those
events that you want rip right from the comic as
accurately as you can in a world where a lot
of these pieces aren't truly there, so they're gonna have
to make a lot of changes.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Like who you're Aanos is no idea.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
But he's he's literally like your next Thanos or the
Thanos for that story, dude, you can make.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
A King Thanos that he was pulled from another timeline
or something, because remember there was a rumor that that
Doomsday was to bring out a series of multiversal villains,
so you can have it just literally be a Thanos
from the future who just like like we saw the
King Thanos actual storyline with where we got Cosmic ghost
Rider reckon people showing up with pet Hulk. You know
(27:27):
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Oh my goodness, isn't isn't Oh my goodness, I just
in in the AX storyline Thantos. Isn't that when Thanos
gets gets killed by the Juggernaut very effortlessly, just kind
of they shot him like they miniaturize him and shot
him through Stanhos his skull.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I listen, regardless, you don't need to do everything everything.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I did want to see the Crow and Eggs at
some point, though you won't.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You won't, I don't think ever get to the kro
CoA era. Yeah, which I said, Actually, you know what,
if they were going to do the Krocoa era, it
would be right now before the reset. Yes, what could
look like and that they remember like that we are
your gods now moments where they are they have they
have their island, they have Genosha, they have a Rocco.
You can have another another universe that already has that
(28:19):
stuff laid out and set. Yo, So I don't know,
there's a lot, there's a lot of potential in this idea,
and I mean, give me a reason to theorize for
the next thirty minutes and I will, Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I will. These are the things this is.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
This is the reason why the MCU gets as excited
when they toss out ideas like this as possibilities.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And to be fair, they didn't toss it out.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They don't want to know about this, They don't want
they want us talking about it. But they're like, Kim,
this is a.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Way of a line as the Supernatural saga.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Right, yeah, Well, I've think Supernatural saga is still gonna happen,
but I think that's gonna be right for the reset.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, but yeah, at that same caliber, this is right
along with it, right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
The day Soka Judgment Day, Brand New Day, all day
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are times that Cyclops no, unquestionably sucks.
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No, there are times when he does suck, and.
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There are times that he doesn't. There are times that
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year he had a great little.
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Fast where he does like fuck is sand.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
All right? Well.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
The reason that we're recording today is something that's been
kind of floating around on the interwebs that caught my attention.
Is something that we've been talking about on this show
for actually a very long time since the original book
came out in twenty twenty two, and that is there's
a potential that the MCU might be bringing Judgment Day
storyline to the broader landscape, and that's wild because Judgment
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Day was a crazy crossover that I'm not gonna lie.
I only read the original six issues. I did not
care about all the giants because I'm not a big
Eternals fan, but I know features was pretty into that
when it came out.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, because that was that was I mean, yeah, I
was because it was X Men and like it was.
It came in the middle of the Krakoa era, which
you know that was a big thing for X Men,
but ax Happening was like, that was another I think,
very good story arc that happened.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh it was great. It was great.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But the prominent also is it came on the heels
of X Men versus in Humans, which was well a
couple of years earlier and everyone hated vehemently. So when
they were like, we're making Eternals movie and they're gonna
fight the X Men, We're all like, oh god, not again.
But they did a lot of setup in that to
get to that book to where it was. And the
(02:08):
reason why that book is really important is it does
a not only a good job of bringing over all
of these big three teams together, but expanding on the
lore of who the Eternals are, but more importantly readjusting
the way that the X Men could be brought into
the broader MCU, because they really do a lot of
retconning on how life came about on Earth in the
(02:29):
first place and how the X Men's are involved with
the Eternals and the Deviants, which was a really cool
way of going about it. Yeah, so real fast, let's
just do a quick little breakdown on the book. Because
the book was it was Kirie and Gillan wrote it.
It was in twenty twenty two. It was only six issues,
but a crap ton of the Death of the X
Men was one of them.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Judgment. There was a lot of tie in.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It wasn't many issues of the book, but it was
like Spider Verse, where you had to read a whole
lot in order to get the whole thing. Yeah, and
it was also Eternals heavy, so a lot of people
skipped it because as much as Marvel was trying to
make the Internal Special special at that time, no one cared.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And at the sad part is you had to read
the Eternals prior to to get the gist of it.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What was about to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
To be honest, the whole book, as far as both
the X Men and the Eternals were concerned, you needed
a lot of homework to make it make sense. Yeah,
there was a lot of work that led into this book,
into the crossover, but it was still a really fun read.
So the nuts and bolts of it. Without going into
too much detail, maybe we'll talk about some of our
favorite moments, but just the gist of the book is
that while the Deviants have pretty much been beaten back,
(03:35):
the existence of X Men come from a deviant gene
that was in their system to eventually broad blossom into mutants.
So yes, humanity merging with deviants now originally from what
I remember, and correct me if I'm wrong, But in
the older broader Marvel lore, it was the the Celestials
(03:56):
would show up on Earth. They would create the Eternals
and the Deviants and the human and then they would
let the Deviants and the Eternals fight it out to
figure out who was the more dominant, and then they
would judge the Earth. That will scuse me, that planet
based on which of those two races succeeded. If the
Deviants succeeded, that that planet was gone. Right, But They
also introduced the X gene as like chaos factor. So
(04:17):
the so after so many thousands or you know, one
hundred thousand years or whatever, the crazy number was that
the extreene would then show up in people and that
humans could now stand toe to toe with eternals and deviants. Yes,
so if neither of them could get a stronghold, all
of a sudden, the humans have the ability to fight back,
which is what modern mutants became, which you know, that's
(04:37):
we were all cool with that for a very long time,
as long as I'm not getting that wrong, and I'm
pretty sure I'm not. Yeah, now, in the new one,
and they did a lot of precursor work to set
this up, which is there was a one of the
oldest of the Celestials crash landed on Earth while it
was being attacked, and it was bleeding out into the soil,
(04:58):
and its blood then became life as we know it
on the planet, right, and the deviant gene at some
point was passed to humans, which was why the Eternals
in this new arc are willing to fight the X
Men because their their mission in life is to wipe
out the deviants, and while they may have succeeded. I
(05:18):
forget the term they used throughout the book, like the
extra deviations or something like that, Yeah, X deviations or
I forget, it's something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
It was something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I can't remember exactly where, but it will stick with
like the just the deviation, the deviation.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They bring it up a lot and that. But what
they're referring to is is the X Men. Yeah, so
that and then it becomes a whole fight between at
first the X Men and the Avengers trying to hold off.
It was who's the mind control dude cured?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, And if if you guys remember Drewik from the
Eternals movie for whoever did watch that out there, Drewik
was the guy that you kind of like went off
on his own into the into the woods and just
kind of had that that that following the people that
cult following he didn't want to deal with the uh,
the plan for of the Celestials anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
In the movie, well, he was essentially the leader of
all of the celestial or that Celestials the Eternals at
this point. And what's cool about the book is that
we learned that the Eternals population is much larger than
we think it is. So you're there's your basic Eternals
and not all of them have kind of picked the
side of the Eternals. But then there's also these gigantic
uh they almost look like mech robots, but they're supposed
(06:29):
to be Eternals.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, there to wipe out the x men. Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And essentially they're what they're they What Drewig says to
the world is, hey, these these mutants have figured out
how to bring themselves back, and we can't allow that
because that's our thing. Yeah, and that's copyright infringement. So
I'm gonna wipe them out because they're a little too
close to what makes us special.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I want to add though, because in that note, the
on that note, the Eternals were very hypocritical because their
resurrection process actually killed people.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, it killed somebody somewhere at random. Right, there was
no rhyme or reason to it.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's true, but they don't care. Yeah, because again,
the Eternals suck.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Look.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I like the Eternals movie. I am not one of
the people who think that was a bad movie. And
I know I've now said too many times of the
bad things that I like. But the I don't think
Eternals is that terrible because it's unique in the fact
that it has no real villain, right that you can
see the motivation for every single person and you can
justify any of their stances on why they need to
(07:37):
do what they do. And I think that's something Marvel
doesn't do a lot. They have pretty cookie cutter villains. Yeah,
like that's what That's what may kill Manger so good
is that you understood his reasoning. That's why I made
Thanos MCU Thanos more interesting than well, maybe more interesting.
I guess that's debatable, but we'll call it differently interesting
to the to his.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Comic book counterpart interesting adjacent.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But speaking of Thanos, that's another major character who's bought
to this, which is, as we know, Thanos is an
eternal and his grandfather plays a very big role. And
boyle boy in twenty minutes, does he show the world
why he's important. When I say world, I mean Mars.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And specifically Iraco, which was the secondary home of the
mutants from a from Earth.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And arguably the you know, yes all Megamutes, the d
one planet of moods. Yeah, that's the one you want
to be on. I mean, I know it didn't. At
the end of that twenty minutes, you definitely didn't want
to be there. But that was the home team, right,
(08:44):
That was that was Cable, that was Storm, that was
that was Magneto.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Magneto had such a cool moment. Oh my good. Yeah,
Magneto is cool.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, he's he got his heart ripped out of his
body and.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
All right, now go ahead, we said it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
But and then he just wells himself to live. He
uses his mentu powers to retranslate, move his blood around
to be able to carry Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Everybody goes like, how do he move his blood? He
only control his metal, the iron in his blood specifically.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They don't necessarily say that, but we all kind of
just go with it the most sense. But man, that
was still I mean, I thought that the crazier moment
was the one I forget the mutants name that creates metal.
Oh uh, he's just using him like an ammal bag. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah. There was a lot of really cool moments.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But Uranos uh Fanus's grandfather, which you know, make all
the jokes you won, you wouldn't make those jokes.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
If he showed up. I'm just no no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
He is one of the most terrifying villains because he
has an hour essentially to wipe out the the the
mutant menace on Mars and does it in twenty minutes,
and his.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Walks around Mars after day.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's like it's some good work.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
He mentions, it's just like, hey, so, like I know
this is taking you got centuries and millennia, but I'm
gonna I'm gonna undo it in like an hour, Like yeah,
time me, let's go.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Basically, so it is. It's an interesting book. It's definitely
worth a read. It's a very long if you pull
everything together, it's really long. But I don't know how
much of the tie ins that you need to go into.
But the six issues that the actual books about is
interesting because in the middle of the book, where you
think that it's mostly just about this fight, it takes
a wild turn where the Avengers essentially resurrect the original
(10:41):
celestial through building their own version by all pieces of
celestials that were left over on the planet Yep. And
they think that it's going to be their buddy when
they turn it on or they wrong, and he essentially says,
I we're judging you and if if you don't pass
the judgment, if there's more bad than good on this planet,
we're wiping the plant it out. Which if we remember
(11:02):
the end of the Eternals movie and the first credit
scene with airsham, I guess that's not the post credit scene,
but the airsham scene. Yeah, he's like, I'm coming back
for Judgment Day. Yes, we have been theorized like this
for a long time. I remember I kept saying we
were gonna get an Airsham Galactus fight. Yeah, but I
don't think that's gonna happen anymore. But good lord, do
I want this movie?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
If this has been in Marvel's plans, man, they've been
cooking and I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I think it is to like, you know how when
they announce movies, they just show us a lot of
a lot of logos and they're like, we're.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Gonna do this. I think that's what this is.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think they've always had it in the plan because
they wanted the Eternals to be something special and it
would have been a really cool Avengers crossover and they
could have just done Avengers versus Eternals and the same
kind of story. Yeah, but they now the emphasis is
so much on bringing the X Men in. I'm sure
they change their plans a bit. But how they pull
this off, when they pull this off, and in which
phase do they try it is the big question I see.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Like in five years ish, after Doomsday is over, after
we get the new casting of the Avengerous characters, Captain
Americas and stuff, we're already laying the groundwork for a
lot of these characters. Where we already got Doom, who's
an important character in this, we're getting the X Men.
We've already got Beast in one of those movies, so
we're on the right path for this thing to actually happen.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, and it's probably a means of introducing the X Men.
I mean, if they're it'll p if they do it
before Secret Wars, which I don't think.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Is probably gonna happen, but let's say they do.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
It'll be more time we spend with this X Men
Doomsday team. Because remember, there's rumor of an X Men
movie before any of this, Like there's a rumor of
one recently happening, and we all kind of assumed that
was going to be Avengers versus X Men. But what
if that movie is AX what if that's what if
it's X Men Judgment Day?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yo, Yeah, and they introduce us.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
To the team the right then and there, and then
we already know the Avengers, so we don't need to
be introduced to them. We already know the Eternals. We
don't need to be introduced to them. We just get
that story through the Mutants, and we get it at
the Xavier Mansion instead of Krakoa.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
That and that, you know, but them building up doom
to be what doom should be in this in this
universe of the MCU. We get this moment spoiler alert
in Judgment Day where he's getting ready to be judged
and he's like, no, I pass.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, which would be incredible. I mean, after the the
flop of Captain America four, it can't be Sam Wilson
who gets judged because there was a really awkward moment
where CAP's getting judged and he does not get judged properly. No,
I do not agree with the celestials opinion of Captain
(13:45):
America because he's like, you're a fan, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
you notice how everybody listens when he speaks, right, that's
a whole book. Whatever he says goes like every time.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And I think that that probably was the only the
one time where where Captain America didn't come through, and
it was because people were so terrified they just like,
I can't, I don't want to hear that cap try
to say it.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, it was the it's they were judging him on
things that are not really his It's not his decisions today, right,
he can't force the country to be great, and that's
what he was getting judged on. We're going way to
the comedy here, so let's real look back into the MCU.
I'm just saying that you can't do it necessarily with Sam.
You know who, You could do it with Steve, who
(14:27):
calls the incursions.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yep. Oh yeah, Now you.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Can judge him because if that's all the doomsday rumors
right now, is that doom is trying to hunt down
Steve for causing the incursions. You can also have Ersham
say you're a failure because you doomed the multiverse in
trying to have a life, right, yep, So there's an
interesting way you can still do that. But I don't
think any of that's gonna happen if I mean the
way I'd say it is, your lance in a box
(14:51):
is probably right. That's probably going to be after Secret Wars,
and it's kind to be after the reboot and all
that stuff, so we'll already have Stevens stuff and it'll
be a redone timeline. But if they do it beforehand,
it's the Xavier Mansion and Iraco uh is now gionosha
yep on this new you know it can do. And
the nice thing is after Doomsday you can say that
(15:13):
it's a merged world, so you can have right, you
can have it be a singular timeline that's been merged together,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And it still works because the Celestials exist outside of.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, it's gotta it's weird how they're gonna pull that
part off, because it's for for him to come back
and judge everybody after an event like Secret Wars. Just
give us a breaker. Yeah right, bro, it's a whole
different timeline. Not we've cast the entire Eternals team. You
can't judge us for their actions. This this is the
(15:46):
Justice Gang now, all right, you don't don't judge us
from them.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So many people were saying, you know, like that there
was so many MC movies and TV shows that they
were just like, we're gonna pretend that didn't happen. But
lately we've been getting a lot of sins being tied up.
Do you think that this was the long game, that
they knew what they were doing the entire time, or
is this something that like we're gonna we're gonna fix
this and we're going to be better with MC.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I think it feels like it could have been long game.
But honestly, I would probably say they're they're they've taken
lemons and are making some very sweet lemon eight.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
If it's going to be the process, it's an interesting
way to put that. I think it's probably a little column.
May a little column be. I think they started throwing
stuff at the wall in post credit scenes that they
intended to pick up later, but then the things started
to change when audiences started to leave.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'm going for hercules.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Oh sure, and that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Four or five or five will have hercules, But I
bet you it's not going to be a great Hercules thing.
It'll probably be like a team up and it won't
be what the original plan was. Whatever the original plan
was and there, and you can argue there might not
have been an original plan. They just were like, Hey,
if the Eternals do well, let's do Judgment day, right,
(17:00):
Because I'll tell you what that is a hell of
a way to end with Airsham to Judge showing back up,
like you guys have like what are you giving a
year or whatever? I forget how much time you gave it,
because again I have was Look, I don't hate that movie,
but let's not act like I've watched it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
A bus either.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Doesn't doesn't have the rewatchability as some of the other
MCU projects, But I do think the bringing Arisham back
and closing that thread in a way that brings the
broader MCU together is a huge way of making the
Eternals popular in a way their solo.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Movie just couldn't do. Yeah, And it's not a bad way.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's not a bad way to close the chapter on
the Eternals and then never bring them up again. It's
in Humans right now. It's the same thing with the Humans.
We've been through this already with the TV show for
the in Humans. We saw what they did to the
X Men during that, just like when the Eternals were
coming around. They had a lot to do with the
X Men because they really wanted to figure out an
easy we'll call it the Cosmic Cube to Space Stone
(17:59):
can action to the mutants on Earth because we kept
we kept trying to figure out how in the world
do you bring mutants into the broader MCU. And we
know in the multiverse that mutants already exist, So it's
not going to be some ship like they bring mutants
in from another universe that's not happened. There's already a
reason in the birth of the world why there are mutants,
and this is a much easier way to go about it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And you could do some crazy stuff like use magic
to remove Tiament from the is that I think that's
his name from the center of the Earth and right,
and here's the thing, what if, dude, what if you
don't do life Bringer galactis you bring Tiament back as
the life Bringer and have him fight Arisham.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, so that's a way to.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Bring It's a way to bring in the originals, the
original celestials meaning for existence, right, and he was also
the one that crashed land on the Earth. Remember he
was a mountain for a very long time before anybody
realized he was.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
The progenitor was Team it was actually being born in
the MC.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, that's that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that you
can merge those two together in some degree. Yeah, so
you can use and then you can also merge in
with the concept of life Bringer Galactus that they did
in Secret Wars. Remember at the end of Secret At
the end of Secret Wars, we get a version of
Galactis that's that's controlled by Franklin. Franklin that brought life
(19:22):
to the multiverse again. You could have Team and be
the one that does that. You can have Franklin be
the one that brings Team back, using Doctor Strange to
get him out without destroying the Earth, and then have
him be the life Bringer.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know what, if that's going to be cased, then
this definitely happens after Secret Wars and we need to
Fantastic four in the universe, and that makes everything solid.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It doesn't make it solid, It makes it way better
than what I think Secret Wars actual end was. I
thought kind of a cop out and I didn't love. Okay,
So for big old Spoilerler for Secret Wars the twenty
fifteen Jonathan Hickman. At the end of that book is
a great moment between Doom and Read and Doom and
it's that he's not better than Read, and it's a
really cool fight. But then they have the problem of
(20:04):
recreating the multiverse, and it's Franklin creating universes like he
does and then his dad throwing them out into the void.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's dumb.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
The fact that mister that mister frank fantastic was throwing
universes out like that they would eventually blossom into timelines
was stupid. Now, if you do it, because we've already
seen what a celestial can do. If you have Franklin
resurrect Team you can have Teamate already have the power
established in the MCU to recreate timelines and worlds.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
The pieces are there exactly, so.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You change it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
You don't make it Galactus anymore. You make it he
controls a celestial.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah. I like that. I like that a lot. Do
we see that in a on screen or do we
see that in a tie in comic?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
On screen? On screen? Screen?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It was that Chekhov's gun.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, wars budget for this type of thing, right.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, yeah, they're I think it's the way you end
Secret Wars. It's because the post credit scene of Yes,
Franklin creating universes with.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Team that would be dope, that will be dope. I
think it's a good way to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And and it brings and it ushers in the new
timeline very easily, and we get you can even Actually
you do a make credit scene of creating universes, and
then you do a post credit scene it's like three
years later, and then you get your new Steve Rodgers,
you get your new Iron Man, you get the world
as you've always known it. You get people talking about
the X Men, you get people talking about Spider Man,
and it's like, oh my god, it's the Marvel universe
(21:31):
we've always wanted on screen. Everybody's together, a singular timeline
of all of the stories and possibilities that we've always wanted,
and all will be right with the world.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Now it'll be really interesting. And I actually want to
throw this over at a lance because I have a
feeling this is going to play a role with a
lot of stuff moving forward. I don't know how I
feel about it, but it's Jeff the Shark oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So, so for the last several MCU movies are kid friendly,
character has been Baby Group and everyone loves Baby Group.
But in the future MCU wants to move away from
Baby Group and put Jeff the land Shark in and
give him that comic relief role as the adorable character.
(22:15):
And I'm I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I love I love it. How do you introduce him?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
How do you introduce him?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
From what I remember the first time I saw Jeff
bland Shark. And again, I am not somebody who goes
out and buys Jeff Shark books.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I know, That's why I threw it. I know him
from a Deadpool book.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, so you just have him.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh you could have him like following Deadpool around and
Deadpool just being really annoyed by it, and just have
it this small thing throughout the whole Secret Wars movie
where he's just like.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh God, you're saying how annoying he is, and the
whole time, I don't understand. This thing is just so annoying,
and it's yeah, bro, we.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Know they have him chewing up the credits at the end.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, I mean, it's a smart idea. Because Jeff the
land Shark is, obviously because of Rivals, wildly popular. He's
the only character that that is like, we've had Throg,
We've had we had a bunch of animal variations of
characters that have never made the kind of impact that
Jeff the land Shark did since Rivals came out.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Crocodile, yes, and then uh, Crookie.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And one of my favorite Jeff things is during the
Venom War when he gets to the venoms Mbia and
his venom Jeff, it's freaking great. I would love to
see that.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, but it's something about just throwing Jeff on the
name of yes, cosmic Jeff.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
You know, just Jeff is.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
A funny for all the people that are going to
see this. If you could just like, if you guys
could share this enough so that some Marvel execs somewhere
see this.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Have Jeff the Shark.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
If there's any words you can give him telegram man,
yes it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Are you that land shark?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Now?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Candogram flowers got flowers? If he says candygram one time,
I'll lose my mind. It would be a perfect way
to bring him in.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's just I can't wait. If the rumors are true.
I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Well, so we got a lot of interesting things with Marvel.
I mean, look, I know that DC right now has
everyone's attention and other than Spider Man.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
If it's not Spider Man, no, it's DC right now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But this kind of news and the reason why I
wanted to make sure we spend a little time on it.
Not only is it something that we've been talking about
forever and it's it being a potential, but this is
the kind of way that you outdo endgame.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yes, this is.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And then the unfortunate truth is you're gonna need a
few endgames to outdo endgame. Endgame was so good. You
can't just have an endgame alternative. You need an endgame
that leads to an endgame that ends in an endgame.
But if this is a Judgment Day, is a good
one to go into doomsday, which is a good one
to go into Secret Wars or Doomsday Judgment Day Secret Wars.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Actually, I mean you should just keep the Day thing going.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Here's the thing, Judgment Day, brand New Day.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Crack the code.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
There might be something there for anybody. I don't think
we actually even brought up where this was from the
reason where this all comes from.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I think we said.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It briefly in the beginning, I think, but it's from
the cosmic circus. From Alex perez On on his Q
and A discords that he does, he was asked what
projects are you most excited for?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And by the way, he is a he's a reputable
leaker on this kind of stuff. He has been right
on a lot of things. But like all leakers, he's
been right on a bunch I've been wrong on a
bunch of things as well, so take everything with a
grain of salt. But his answer was he said, that
has announced brand new day, Doomsday and secret wars that
hasn't been announced.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Judgment day Judgment, and that made me lose.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
My lose my mind.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Doesn't even even if they don't put it in the
mix of all these things, just day itself could really
just be the mutant saga, and I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's the way they started. I think it's going.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, So it's a great way to start it because
you can even say that's the reason why the MCU
hasn't had hasn't had mutants is that they quite literally
the Devians were wiped out and removed. And that's why
the Eternals movie was so important, is because and that's
why the Eternals were hiding the whole time. We're in
other worlds. The Eternals were a much bigger deal, and
a part of it because they were more connected, because
(26:28):
mutants were everywhere, and they weren't sure about why they
were so activated. There are ways that you can make
this work. I don't think they're going to go into
that much detail, but regardless, it does seem like a
smart move, especially when we're hearing words like Spider Man
for is going to be ripped right from a comic.
Superman was ripped right from a comic, like Fantastic Four
(26:48):
rip right from a comic. This is one of those
events that you want rip right from the comic as
accurately as you can in a world where a lot
of these pieces aren't truly there, so they're gonna have
to make a lot of changes.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Like who you're Aanos is no idea.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
But he's he's literally like your next Thanos or the
Thanos for that story, dude, you can make.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
A King Thanos that he was pulled from another timeline
or something, because remember there was a rumor that that
Doomsday was to bring out a series of multiversal villains,
so you can have it just literally be a Thanos
from the future who just like like we saw the
King Thanos actual storyline with where we got Cosmic ghost
Rider reckon people showing up with pet Hulk. You know
(27:27):
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Oh my goodness, isn't isn't Oh my goodness, I just
in in the AX storyline Thantos. Isn't that when Thanos
gets gets killed by the Juggernaut very effortlessly, just kind
of they shot him like they miniaturize him and shot
him through Stanhos his skull.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I listen, regardless, you don't need to do everything everything.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I did want to see the Crow and Eggs at
some point, though you won't.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You won't, I don't think ever get to the kro
CoA era. Yeah, which I said, Actually, you know what,
if they were going to do the Krocoa era, it
would be right now before the reset. Yes, what could
look like and that they remember like that we are
your gods now moments where they are they have they
have their island, they have Genosha, they have a Rocco.
You can have another another universe that already has that
(28:19):
stuff laid out and set. Yo, So I don't know,
there's a lot, there's a lot of potential in this idea,
and I mean, give me a reason to theorize for
the next thirty minutes and I will, Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I will. These are the things this is.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
This is the reason why the MCU gets as excited
when they toss out ideas like this as possibilities.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And to be fair, they didn't toss it out.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They don't want to know about this, They don't want
they want us talking about it. But they're like, Kim,
this is a.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Way of a line as the Supernatural saga.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Right, yeah, Well, I've think Supernatural saga is still gonna happen,
but I think that's gonna be right for the reset.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, but yeah, at that same caliber, this is right
along with it, right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
The day Soka Judgment Day, Brand New Day, all day
day man. All right, Well, on that note, we'll give
you your day back. Do me a favor. If you
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Speaker 3 (29:18):
I'm used to it at this point.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
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This is a blast.
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