Top 5 MOST Influential ZOMBIE Movies | Buz's Vault

Mendte and Buz crawl out of the crypt to count down Buz’s Top 5 most influential zombie movies of all time — and it’s a blood-soaked ride. From Dawn of the Dead redefining the undead apocalypse to The Serpent and the Rainbow twisting voodoo horror into nightmare fuel, the guys dig into how these two films along with three more shaped an entire genre. Expect debates, laughs, and some questionable life choices along the way.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bad Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hello, and welcome to the vault.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
This is something new we're trying, because god damn it,
I need buzz on.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
The microphone more.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I was like, he wants to do something I do.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I do.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'n fiended because I want to get more into the
world of horror. We've you and I have had many
off offline conversations about how I want to say I've
seen a lot of things, but I don't actually want
to watch.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Them because a bit of a bitch when it comes
to a lot of these things.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
But I still really like, you know, I get excited
every year for a Halloween time because it's I forced
myself and through a lot of these movies, and I
really do enjoy them when I'm done them. But hitting
play is a bit of a bitch for me. It's
like you get to write. It's at the moment I'm like, oh,
I got to think something to edit. I've got something else.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I gotta do.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Stop start, stop start.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
But I do want to get more into this.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
And since uh, you know, it would make no sense
for me not to pick your brain to find out
more about what our resident horror master knows, you can
put me on a much better path than me just
googling what should I watch this month?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
You know what I mean, get lost in it.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I figure what we can do is is start
something new where not only do I want to get
some top fives, So what are your favorite type of
movies in each of the we'll say sub genres of horror,
But I also want to get some deep dives in
on some things that are new.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
So that's stuff coming down the line.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
But I'd love to watch a couple of the new
movies with you and then figure out more about where
that lineage comes from when when it comes to horror,
because people can pull out a lot of things in
filmmaking through a lot of directors, but there's very specific
and unique nuances to horror that I don't think is
mentioned as much as when I talk to you. Like
when I talk to you, it opens up a completely

(01:53):
different conversation than anybody else I'll talk to about horror
movies or franchises.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, I mean, there's so much lore you's it can
be broken down into decades at this point, you know
what I mean, And that's kind of how I do it.
I do it by decade's because the genre changes, the
fan base changes, the technology changes. You know, there was
a time when like there was never a smartphone in
a horror movie, and now you have to consider like
the idea of that you have access to like technology

(02:18):
in a horror film, and that has to be sort
of written in and written around.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
But yeah, I mean, I got I have so many
subgenres though.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It has spliced into two sectors upon sectors of it,
you know, and it's almost kind of like death metal music.
There's like different versions of it, and you know, I
am sort of like a garbage disposal for it all,
you know what I mean. I kind of like check
it all out, and it's like within a few seconds,
I know if I like it or if I don't,
And if I do, it becomes a thing I get
obsessed with. Like I remember it Psycho Gorman telling you

(02:48):
guys about that about Topsy, and I was like, please
go see this, you know what I mean, Like I
try not to promote anything that like just didn't hit
on every cylinder for me, you know what I mean.
And then the stuff that comes out that's kind of
like act people were like I like that a little bit.
Other people were like it was okay that sort of
stuff just kind of goes to the wayside, you know,
and I sort of distill down to like to culturally

(03:11):
distill down to the stuff that is really genre specific
and I think is just dynamite. You know.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's it's hard to dislike some things if you know
what you're going into. Like I it's my biggest thing
is I probably like too many things. But that's because
I try and figure out what are their focus? What's
the focus here? Like that's why you and I have
I'll just.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Admit this here. I think I've admitted on the show before.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
But like I want to say, I've seen the Terrifier movies,
but I know those are damn near.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's just it's just gore.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's a gorefest with no plot, and that will drive
me crazy. Yeah, I mean I want to I want
to say I've seen it, but I have no interest
in actually going through that.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
But if there is lore in something interesting, talking to
you about it will give me this history lesson that
I feel I could make the movie more palatable than
just a gorefest.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'll tell you doing doing the Monsterminia Horrcon for so
many years now, I mean probably you know over ten
for sure. You meet all these people, you meet all
these fans in person. You see them wearing the T shirt,
they're in the costume, they're checking out your stuff, you're
pitching your own stuff, and then you end up in
a conversation of like why they're there, what they're into,
what they're big about, and you know, speaking of terrifying,

(04:20):
that was something that I missed completely. You know, I
wasn't entirely like a clown guy and I am, but
hearing the chatter, you know, like if something is out
there that's of note, people will talk about it, and
I think that's like why you were probably hearing about
it and seeing about it. And even though it's not
really like your fortepe, now you're kind of like, what
is that? You know, what's that about? Because there's got
to be a reason why people are talking it up?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
You know, Well, okay, so just let's just let's just
get a coup if this is issue one of the
horror journey that we're going on, just to get a
few things out. Two primal fears of my one is
clowns because my mom was obsessed with clowns when I
was growing up, so there were clown figurines all over
the house, and my sister one time when I was
sleeping on the couch, me up to watch Killer Clowns

(05:02):
from Outer Space. And that movie traumatized me as cheering.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Ruined me for a while.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
And because everywhere I looked there was like, I'm thinking
I'm getting hit with acid pies any minute now.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I thought it was for sure Poltergeist.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Poulter guys got me. Dude, that little clown under the bed,
I think it's crazy, dude, Yeah, no, No.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
But the other one, other primal fear of mine is
anything that's just enough bigger than you where you're gonna struggle,
but you're still gonna lose, Okay, you know what I mean,
like the bear scene and the Revenant or the dogs
in in in Django, you know those kind of scenes
just because you know it's it's nothing but torment. Like

(05:42):
I think, one of the worst horror movies for me
and no one else agrees with me here, but is
The Gray, which isn't really a horror movie, but it's
about the wolves that keep picking people out in the snowst.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Real real horror, real life horror, I mean life history.
You know, animal Kingdom like very scary place.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I love and I love animal attack movies and it's
because of that. I so I went through a weird
thing with a tiger once when I was younger, and
because of that, now that is a like that and sharks.
I also went through a shark thing when I was
younger too, that.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I can't I can't handle them, all.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Right, Andy, So for me, monster movies of that kind
of degree of like not big big monster movies are fun,
but like the little monster movies, Like I think the
raptors are more terrifying than the t Rex even though
the t Rex is cooler. Does that make sense? Yeah,
So I love, I love monster movies. I love and

(06:37):
I love animal movies. But like I never really got
into slashers, and I never really got into paranormal stuff.
So slasher wise, I thought The Strangers was terrifying just
because of the whole you opened the door or you
were home, that was you were home. That freaks me out.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Spree killing random stuff is scary.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna just say a spoiler alert for a
lot of the things I'm going to bring up, because like,
I know, some stupid movies that people hated but the end,
like do youerse Hellfest? It's a shit movie, but it's
it's essentially about a killer at a at a haunted at,
a horrorouse or a horror convention haunted house, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
So it's a big, big haunted house convention kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
So it's huge place and he's killing people there and
everyone just thinks it's part of the show. But the
what and spoilerler for the ending and you don't care
about this movie, so there you go. But what made
the movie great to me is that it ends with
never finding out who the killer is. He just takes
his mask off and puts it away, closes a creepy
closet in his garage, and then goes into the door
and you hear all these that is home and it's

(07:38):
just this creepy ass ending cool. It was a twist
I wasn't ready for, and it made me appreciate the
movie on a completely different level because of how sidistic
they just made your next door neighbor, right.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
You know what I mean? The way they twisted twist that.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
You weren't expecting for sure, which is crazy, and.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
It added so much to a bad movie that it
made me appreciate it. But I would say, if I
had to go my favorite horror movie right now, if
I had to say, like, what's the scariest movie you
can think of?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
For me? Was The Descent.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, this is scary and the creatures even before the
creatures even show up, the movie gets under my skin.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Just yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
So when that one came out, I saw it in
the theater. It hit hard in that way. But at
the time, Scream was doing so well and people just
skipped it. And I think I'm starting to see like
four K Blu ray releases for it now where people
are starting to be like, oh, The Descent, The Descent,
and it's like, yeah, like you know Dark City as well,
which is a horror but more like you know, a

(08:41):
pop dark sci fi, you know. And I saw that
in the theater and I walked out with friends and
they were like I hated that. I'm like, that was excellent.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't it all filled in for me, man, Sometimes
my mind will fill in stuff conceptually that I think
is why film works so well.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, and it's also why horror works so well.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Like I think one of the things that kills so
many horror franchises is they go on too long and
explain things that no one cares about. Took away the
scary part of it. I don't need all the information
it was.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I was talking to you earlier today about I stuff
like the intention behind it is scarier than actually seeing
it because your eye can be like, oh, that was CGI.
I could see where that was fake, which you know
is cool. Some people like it when it looks fakes.
Some people like don't like to see GI. But the
idea of it happening before they show you is just

(09:29):
as horrifying as actually showing you.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I have an iphobia, is what he's getting at.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, but yeah, going back to your monster movie point,
just to you know, bookend that movies were movies and
didn't really become blockbusters or like big featured things until
monster movies. Monster movies were the first blockbusters. The universal
monsters were the first blockbusters. Dracula, Frankenstein, whether intom or not.

(09:59):
This is why they're still around. This is why they
keep coming back in many forms, even in other media aspects,
because they were the first big entertainment things. And I
think that they're also based on books. You know what
I mean, Like haunting folklore, science fiction is really just
folklore passed down through time, you know what I mean.
So I like that the horror stories are the same,

(10:22):
you know, Like I believe I believe the this is
off topic, but I believe the ancient lore story for
the Leprechaun goes back to something that was like a
reptilian kind of creature. Even oh really that eight gold. Yeah,
like it's things have just been changed, you know what
I mean, Because sitting around a campfire and telling stories
is old as time, and so now we just happen
to do it in the form of watching a flickering light,

(10:43):
you know what I mean, show us imagery. So but yeah,
it always comes I personally feel like it always comes
back to monsters because they're kind of what started the
whole thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And I guess my favorite if I had to say
what my favorite sub genre is and to get back
to the point of today's video is zombies. Zombie Zombies
are my favorite sub genre. It's my favorite video game style.
It's you know, it's zombies are something that even if
I like, even before I wanted to go into further
with horror, I would go see Opening Night, Like zombies

(11:13):
were always one of my all time favorites, So go ahead.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I was gonna say it's funny too, because when I remember,
I don't know, it was like two thousand and ten,
eleven twelve, maybe whenever they dropped that plants for a
zombies game like flap We made it. We're here.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Mainstream. Throw a couple of throw some vegetation in there.
We did it.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
We did it all right.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
So to the the reason why we're starting is I
figured the TOPI of fives is the best way to
go about this. Yeah, and this is going to be
not only are you going to test me a little
bit here, because I did say I love zombies, I
don't love zombies apparently enough because I've already seen this list,
and I don't know a lot of these movies, so I'm.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Prepared for some of it.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
But I'm gonna need a history lesson on most of
what we selected here.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
So let me.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm gonna pull up the list that you gave and
then let me know why I kept them in the
same order.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Was the order that you gave me these the.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Actual order you to have them. Yeah, And just a
disclaimer for everyone watching. I'm a huge zombie fan across
the board, so if I didn't pick your favorite, I
apologize in advance, and feel free to comment what your
favorite is and we can jive on it in the
comments section.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
YEP, and Dawn of the Dead.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
As far as the original Dawn of the Dead, I
know the remake well, but I do not know the
I've seen DWN a long long time ago when I
was much younger.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
But I've seen the remake a bunch of times.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Remakes incredible. Is remake is excellent from start to finish,
and quite frankly, you know, I don't. I didn't think
the movie needed remade, but when I saw the remake
of it, I was pleased as a zombie fan. I
was pleased as a Romero fan. It's obvious that James
Gunn and Zack Snyder paid a great tribute to it.
You know what I mean, they knew what they were doing.

(12:58):
Romero is not to be distressed.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
They work together on that. Yeah, good point.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, Gott wrote it.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's crazy, I know after all this.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Wow people, that's what That's why I'm here.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, what a crazy little Kevin Bacon moment.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, exactly, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Wow, all right, already already blowing my mind. Okay, keep
it going.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
But yeah, with Dawn, you know, nineteen seventy eight, you
know you're looking at the sequel to Night of Living Dead,
which was you know, basically a civil rights movie that
put Bremira on the map. You know, it was time
to do it again, and he got financing from another
aspiring hard director named Dari Ragento, which is a phenomenal

(13:40):
director who wanted to help George you know, make the
money and get international distribution rights to it. But what
it really does is it's expanding the zombie lore outside
of Night of Living Dead in a way where you
know it's starting to spread. It's getting into like the mall.
They use the mall as like a base. Rameira head

(14:00):
access to them all, so it's like you make a
film about what you have access to.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
So did he get a bigger budget on this one
because of the successive night.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Or he had a bigger but he got foreign investors
with Argento, which gave them like international distribution rights, and
Argento ended up adding like his own soundtrack to it,
which is a whole other topic, but they worked together. Basically,
he was a huge fan, and he was wanted to
help George make it. And you know, you really, when
you take money from people to make a movie and

(14:28):
they're not like a fan of your stuff, they tend
to try to control where they want to go with it.
So working with Argento, he knew he was working with
a kindred spirit and got a bigger budget. It brought
in Tom Sabini to do all the makeup effects that
sort of put Tom on the map, like before Friday
the Thirteenth, which he's famous for, and so you're starting
to get like more prosthetics into the zombies. The makeup

(14:50):
is evolving. There's all kinds of like classic kills from
like a machete to the head and a helicopter cutting
the top of the head off. So Tom really soared
because he was so close with George, and George would
just come up to him be like, you know, I
want to do this, or what do you think of that?
And they worked really well together, so you get these
like popular kills. Got my anniversary VHS signed.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's awesome, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
It's cool. I think it's the one that really set
the tone for everything to come after it in the
sense that like Walking Dead is a complete take from
like Dawn of the Dead, and then it's success or
Day of the Dead, which we were dealing with military,
we're dealing with like survivors, we're dealing with fallout shelters.
And that's that's that's what started all that.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
And don I mean and tell me if I'm wrong here,
but from what I understand about Romero is that each
of the doll or each of the Dead movies had
social commentary of some kind, and Dawn was about consumer culture.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Right, and and Dawn opens like in a news station
and people are panicking and they're talking about like in
the world type stuff, and I think Georgie even appears
like in that scene as like a news guy, and
uh yeah, it creates the hysteria, you know what I mean?
Because in Night of the Living Dead it sort of
builds slow until the end and then there's a big

(16:14):
like moment where the lead gets shot by accident. He
happens to be, you know, an African American fellow, and
it was like a civil rights thing. So ten years later,
it's like the zombie things have spread and this now
it's like now society is like crumbling. You're seeing it
from a bigger scope.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, yeah, because it wasn't wasn't a Land of the Dead.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
It was America was the represented, Yeah, sanctuary city outside
and that that how we were going into the rest
of the world and disrupting other countries. I think was
the point of how we were farming for things, and
the zombies started doing going back to regular life and
they started forming their own society again, that's right, I think.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, the message Romeiro always wanted to do that. He
always wanted the zombies to like sort of figure it
out and and it you know, it's it's it's all
a I think, a reflection of society and the crumbling
of like potential societies and things like that or humanity,
and he's sort of representing that like in sort of
the zombie genre.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh you can remember, Sorry, this just popped into my head.
Do you remember Diary of the Dead His Found Well,
I wonder what the I don't remember that movie that well.
I wonder what the social commentary of that one was.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I I recently checked that one out. You know, it's
a little bit lower budget, but it's definitely like Georgia's thing,
and you know, it's towards the end of his life.
I think he was sort of spitting him out, trying
to get him, get him out, because it was supposed
to be like Night Day, Night, Dawn Day, Land Diary.
Even even in there, it's good a.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Bunch of Yeah Diary.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Well, I don't even know where Diary takes place because
it's obviously before Land.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, land Is.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Society is gone, like Land Is, there's only a couple
of places left.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I would be remiss to repeat the order from his
original classics up until Land, because I think things started
to funding and the time to get things developed and
done the way that he did with Night, you know,
Dawn Day and Land. It was starting to get his
ability to do him and make them. We're getting harder,

(18:11):
and the genre was at that point sort of being
washed up if you will, you know what I mean,
and Walking Dead really quite frankly, Walking Dead making such
an impact. I distinctly remember it's sort of putting a
spark under him to be like, well wait a minute,
you know, like I'm the fuck, I'm the living deck
guy over here. And so it was like, I need
to get these other movies made. And then he went

(18:33):
out and did you know Diary and Twilight or whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well then he Als said, do the commic Empire the Dead.
He had a comic, he had an Empire deck and
then wasn't Empire supposed to turn into a show on
AMC after Walking Dead?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken, it basically turned into
the one with with Megan and the other lead.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh really is that what that show was?

Speaker 1 (18:54):
It just sort of like the idea gets like swiped around,
you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean we can
get into I do a whole episode on Walking Dead
and where Kirkman got all his ideas from, because Walking
Dead the comic originally started off as a Night of
Living Dead remake comic, and then Image was like, you
can't do that because Ramera has a trademark now because
it used to be public domain through like a trademark problem.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
But yeah, well yeah, I remember it was a Night
of the Day of the Dawn of the Son of the.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Somebody dubbed the audio like a lip read, which a
hard I actually used to have a copy of that, and.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
It's impossible to find. I'm sure it's on YouTube. It's
probably it's wildly offensive. Yeah, absolutely, Like if if you
go googling that that's on you.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, yeah, I don't even. It was definitely crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Really offensive.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
But I remember also at one point the kid like
shows his face in the middle of the movie and
he goes, uh, that's what happens when you don't re
up your your copyright, George.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
And then it goes back into the movie.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's not George's foont. What what happened was was when
they were cutting the final film they wanted to change
the font, and when whoever like edited the credit font
in the new you know, Night of Living Dead, because
if I'm not mistaken, it also had went by flesh
Eaters at one point or something like that, and when

(20:15):
they put the new font in, they forgot the trademark symbol.
And that's kind of like your poor man's copyright as
you set your LLC up for everything, and with that
not being in there, it opened it to public domain.
I had heard years later before George passed, Martin Scorsese
had helped him edit in like twelve minutes of uncut

(20:36):
footage they found Oh wow, So that was how he
was able to retrademark it. So when the guys from
Walking Dead jumped back on to be like, oh they
did the Battle Pope thing. They got success from Kevin
Smith talking about him. They're like, let's do a zombie book.
It was like, we're gonna do a Night of Leaving
Dead thing, you know. Valentino is like, you can't do it.
You got to make it your own thing. So they
make it Walking Dead. They use the font from Knight

(20:57):
of Living Dead for the font for Walking Dead, and
then it blows up because it goes back to social
commentary written by Kirkman. But it's really just regurgitating everything
Romero built for decades. So whereas like, you know, I'm
not denouncing the success of Walking Dead, I'm just saying that,
like someone else did it, polished it, presented it, succeeded

(21:19):
at it, you went over and duped it and created
your own thing.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well it's almost kind of I mean, it's an odd
way of looking at it. So maybe this is just
my rose colored tint my rose tinted glasses here. But
when you become a creator to a degree where you
not only build a.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Subgenre of its own, but you also build worlds in
which people can play, so you create the standard that
allows others to tell stories, it's like it's it's like
elves and and you know the folklore that made it
into Lord of the Rings, right, and how you have
so many fantasy stories still written about the same kind

(22:03):
of characters that I'm sure pulled from folklorebal Before creates
the world the sandbox that all these other writers get
to play within. That's a level of iconic that even
the greatest in our creative world will never reach.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Only few people. George Romero, George Lucas, you know what
I mean, Like they know.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I totally agree with you. I think that like once
you put the time in, let's say you've got twenty
years you know of developing the stuff, but you really
have thirty or more, and you do you create a sandbox.
You create a template for people. I mean of the
Dead is a template. Now it will outlived George to

(22:45):
the point where now his daughter is doing another film.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh really, Oh that's cool.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I think it's called Queens of the Dead and
it's like a sort of an LGBTQ version of it. Okay,
she's a DJ or they're a DJ and but yeah,
you create the sandbox and that's the legacy. So you know,
you've set the legacy up. It is the responsibility of
other creators to follow and fans alike to remember the legacy.

(23:15):
It is not of the other creators and the fans
to come in and be like, oh yeah, I'm a
huge fan of this, but I'm not going to tell anybody.
I'm just going to create something that i'm inspired by
it for and I'm going to act like I made
it all up on my own to seem extra special,
and that's not helping anybody perpetuate the longevity of their
own creation, you know what I mean. Support begets support,

(23:36):
So you know, you tell people, be honest. You know,
when I made this, I was inspired by this, this
and this. It helps add to your own lure. Sure,
so you know when you're doing like to you know,
I don't want to get into like, you know, dropping
names on who said what. But there are people who
have created pop culture things who have been like, oh,
you know it seems very much like this where you

(23:59):
have of that. Oh no, I've never heard of that
you have. It predates you, you know what I mean?
So I think like the legacy is the sandbox create it,
like you're saying, But it's up to everyone else that's
a fan of it and also creator to remember that
you see it big in comics. Everyone's always like, oh,
this guy didn't get credited. All the creators are mad
because they're not crediting this guy as well, and it's like, well,

(24:22):
I fight for it.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I think I agree when it comes to creators, no question,
but as far as when it comes to fans, and
that's kind of what we're doing here is it's up
to the lifelong fans like you to put the fair
weather fans like me on the straight and narrow, right, Like,
I'm never gonna do the research that you would want
me to do to have the knowledge to be able
to go, oh, the lineage of this type of story

(24:44):
goes back to Romero. Now I do because of zombies.
But I'm not going to do that outside of zombies,
like I already know.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
That's where my knowledge.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't have to know it to be a fan.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
You're right, right, but yet, but that's the beauty of
where you know, of the throne you sit on.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
That's the point of all that is that the more
we get.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
To have these kind of conversations, the more that those
fans that I would argue I represent here are are
going to have the experience that we both know they
deserve to have.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
That too often becomes gatekeeping.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, I'm not trying to gatekeep on any of it.
I think it's more like lost art.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Absolutely, I'm saying, hey, absolutely, you like this, so like
we you know, to bury the lead a little bit here.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Buzz and I have been talking about doing a series
where we review a newer horror movie, but then Buzz
takes me on a journey on all of the stories
that could have potentially, you know, regardless of whether or
not the filmmakers have accredited these films. It's very blatant
that it is inspired by or at least the genre
has inspired filmmakers alike to use elements from it.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
And it's pretty cool when you go down that rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's an honorable way as well. It's no different than
your own family lineage.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I like it, your parents, your parents' parents, et cetera.
You know, I mean, everybody has it right. I mean,
you wouldn't be here if not, and that, and that's
that's always been my point. I know, I know, I
know a lot of times I feel like it has
always come across as gatekeeping, But it was always about
lost art and forgotten creators.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I don't I think that's true. I think it's true
to whole creators to to account for that. I because
especially when it's blatant.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
But with with fans, I don't think it ever comes
across as gatekeeping until you start to mock them for
their tastes.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, and that's where.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
We and well, no, I'm not saying that you do.
What I'm saying is that we are in especially in
the comic book world. I've seen it too many times.
It's nasty in the I've seen I've gone into a
shop one time. And I'm not throwing the shop under
the bus here, but I've gone into a shop and
seen the the person working behind the counter ridicules someone
for reading Harley Quinn at the time because of how
popular she was becoming. And it was like obviously her

(27:08):
first time, you know, I mean not her first time,
but her first couple of times in the comic shop.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And you've just made it a horrible experience. And I
hate seeing it.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, And the Internet is so filled with them that
it's kind of nice being the other voice.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, it's hard. It's easier to say something negative than
is to say something positive. Oh way, So because I
know that to be true, and you know, if you
have you know, ten people in room, it's going to
fall to the lowest common denominator. You know, you're trying
to be an amplifier for like what's great about it?
You know what I mean? I see it in every
art form I work in the competition and it's not

(27:44):
really necessary. It could be camaraderie. It could be community
and everybody does well, you know what I mean, like
when everybody is promoted yep, And so it's a fine
line between who is and who isn't doing that. But
that's kind of what I've always I've always tried to
just the camaraderie aspect. Second from the top five, number four,

(28:04):
I'll in the rainbow.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
First off, I just have to say that when you
sent me the photos on what you wanted to talk about,
you sent me a tiny little image. There's a reason
I'm bringing it up, Okay. So I went through and
googled the name to try and find a bigger version
of list to show.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
The first image that pops up spoiler alert for anybody
who doesn't know this is a giant snake coming out
of a zombie fie person's mouth biting a dude in
the neck, and it was shown seven or eight times,
and that was one of the wildest images. I thought
I had an idea of what this movie was until
I saw that image and what Nope, I had no

(28:45):
clue what I was in store for with this one.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
So what the hell is this?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Stirprint and Rainbow. It's one that that I even myself
forget about a lot because it kind of flew under
the radar as well. The reason why I bring it
up is because a right away directed by Wes Craven
from Nightmare and Elm Street Fame and many other movies
like Scream and stuff like that, and I don't know
if it is quite Yeah, I would I would categorize
as a zombie film because it's based on a book

(29:13):
that goes into the Haitian culture around voodoo and its
processes of like dark magics that would use certain herbs
and powders and things to poison people in an undead
like state.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh, he's a final line of the trailer when he's
got the he's got the mark on his head and
he's just said, don't bury me.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Don't let him bury me. I'm not dead. I was like, oh,
this is a different kind of zombie movie.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
This is yeah, and it's more of a psychedelic nightmare
in a lot of ways. When you watch it, it
kind of plays like Jacob's Ladder and so you don't
know what's dream and reality. But at the end of
the day, uh, you know. Bill Pullman is in the film,
as believe, an anthropologist funded by a corporation to go

(30:02):
find out about this like ancient voodoo stuff that could
potentially be used as like a super anesthetic. And when
he goes into the culture, there's like murders and stuff,
and he basically falls into the whole pattern of it.
And as you can see in the poster, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It gets pretty too that.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I mean, maybe don't look up the night of the
day of, but this one the trailer.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Up a while. It's a unique take, you know, if
I'm not mistaken, one of the very first zombie films.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
What what, I didn't even notice It says don't bury me,
I'm not dead on the poster. Yeah, the poster that
I found and told the whole story about, like it
was my bad.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Oh, no, you're good. What I was going to reference though,
was like Belle Lagosi was in a movie back in
the thirties called White Zombie where the band got the
name from, and White Zombie kind of had a similar story,
you know what I mean, about a guy kind of
controlling the dead when really they were like under a
spell from a concoction. So you know, the whole concept
of like Aaron Semti and the voodoo culture and stuff.

(31:03):
It's kind of where we get like undead from. And so,
you know, bringing Serpent and Rainbow into the top five,
I wanted to do it because I felt like it's
one that most people just never see, and it's it's
one that kind of is a really good story from
a very popular horror director from other genres who is
touching back into where zombie lore and zombie folklore kind

(31:24):
of originates. That's why it's on the list. I like that.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
All right, let's go to the next one or not.
Come on, go to the next one. Go to the
next one. Don't look at don't look at the sidebar.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
This is great. This is an image that a lot
of people have seen, but that not a lot of
people have seen the movie of what You're looking at
is a zombie conquistador quite quite honestly. But Zombie also
known as Zombie with an I. But Zombie two was
originally written as an unsolicited sequel to Dawn of the.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Day, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Ah, that's so funny because it says it says, if
you like Dnno the Dead, You're gonna love Zombie.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Right, So they were sort of like the Italians were
so inspired by Romero obviously, with Argento wanting to work
with him on Dawn, they wanted to do a sequel
to Dawn, and they kind of get jumped to Shark
if you will, no pun intended, since there's a zombie
fighting a shark.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
In the movie that's in this right, Okay, that's right.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah. So you know, Lucio Fulci, Italian director, I brought
this in because it's the Italian genre of horror movies
that is its own genre altogether. You know, it's it's
a sort of a movie that kind of does things
that that that have been done before, but it also
ups to Annie on gore, grossness, grotesqueness done in a

(32:48):
very it had a big budget for for for Italy,
but you know, nowadays the effects would be dated, but
they do things that you can see in the in
the main image of the zombies pretty like that's a
pretty gross looking zomb Yeah. So there's a lot of blood.
There's a lot of like really like sort of like
squirmy scenes that you know are in this film, and people.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Love the trailers so action packed. It's like, yeah, it's
like a shootout. There's a nonstopes.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Full Chie set a tone in Italy the way Ramera
set a tone in America and full Chi's tone they
were they were pumping these movies out pretty fast. I
think there was like five zombie films in Italy. Zombie
itself is kind of his first like smash hit if
you will, for for doing like the zombie stuff, and

(33:36):
that's why they made so many sequels. But yeah, unsolicited
sequel to Dawn and it's got some really cool kills.
You know, there's an eye goug scene ended up on
the Video Nasty List, which is like a European list
for banned films that kids might get access to renting.
So growing up, it was always like a VHS that

(33:57):
like we saw it after, you know, if there was
a big old pile of v hs and there's a
one hundred copies of Home Alone. You know, you're like
looking for the one full movie in the bottom. So
when Suncoast Video as a store in the mall would
open up, I would. I was in there every weekend
looking for like the next in the full chy line
of films. Because the Italians they kind of like they

(34:19):
were they were trying to up to any They were
trying to make it grosser, more grotesque than what American
you know, sensors would allow.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Oh it seems like they succeeded there, and definitely And
the shark zombie scene, Yeah, that's a that's a special moment.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
It's a unique moment. And if I'm not mistaken, Uh,
it's made its way on the T shirts and and
part of the like the culture of the lore because
of how silly it is.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
That shark for zombie, I mean shark for zombie.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, basically, a boat comes into port, no one's on it,
the guy that owns it is missing, the police investigate,
and there's a zombie on it, and then you know,
the police get killed the zombie. The zombie gets blown
over the boat side and sinks down or like ends
up with the shark and the seat. Just watch it.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna explain it.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Does it actually have anything to do with the plot
or somebody just go, what if a shark thought of zombie?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's pretty much what Fulgi was doing.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Was like, that's why I don't need to explain this, right,
you want to zombie?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
That's his That's his whole genre. His whole genre is
just doing weird things that like kind of don't make
sense but also are like, oh my god, I can't
believe they did that.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh it's a real shark too. By the way, this
is like.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Train shark that the zombie fighting It is the sharks trainer. Yeah,
so it was all training.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
All right, Let's move on to the next because I
think I'm starting, yeah, one of my all time.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Fans, right, I hadn't. I had to pick one that
everyone would know, and I'd be remiss to not pick
Evil Dead at all. And the reason why I pick
Evil Dead is because, outside of like Walking Dead television stuff,
I feel like the Evil Dead franchise is sort of
leading still theatrically the Zombie franchise.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
But are we playing fast and loose with the zombies
if we're talking deadites here.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
So what I wanted to introduce is that the thing
that I why I made it my top five is
because we get we're getting Raymi right, so we've got
this director now that everyone knows and loves from the
superhero stuff. Doctor Strange is the original Spider on Tim maguire,
but this is his first breakout success. I think he
was like twenty one years old when he made it.

(36:22):
It went to Cans. Romero was a huge fan of it.
And what it does is it brings in humor. It
brings in the humor before Seana dead. You know what
I mean. You're getting that funny, high jinxy three stoogesy
kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
But was that for the first one. I thought they
really amped that up for the second one.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Like the acting, over the top acting of Bruce Campbell
is what is bringing you like it is much more
scarier and darker. And Part two really is Part one
forty minutes in and then they have other stuff and
then so it's great, but I think his facial expressions,
his reactions like you're like the that that is what's

(37:02):
really driving this whole movie, is like will swallow your soul,
the crazy stuff, but the highlight outside of like Ramy's
directing style bringing in some of the humorous elements starting
to like come into the undead genre. He brought into
love Craftian thing. You've got the Necronomicon.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
You know you're they find the tape, the.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Army of Darkness.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh yeah, but yeah, so yeah, it's it's it's this
love Craftian aspect. So now that the Dead Heights, I
mean they're basically you know, possessive, possessed versions of of
of of Undead.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, but they also float in the air like that's
I mean, And I guess you could argue, I guess
you could argue that even zombies have sub genres because
like Night of the Living Dead is obviously very different
than the rage monsters in.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Uh, what's the twenty eight Days?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Thank you? Right now? Twenty eight Days could be on
this list, but you're you're talking to a guy who
you know, was into zombie movies before twenty eight Days
Later ever came out.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
But what I mean is are the what what what
it constitutes a zombie for this list?

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Just anything that's undead?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, I mean, like there's there's films that I like
just as much as these that I would that I
would slice into, you know, a zombie genre.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Because I remember fighting so many people when when twenty
eight Days came out and they're like, they're not zombies,
and they're like, well, I mean they are zombies though
you would find it in the zombie section.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Your flesh is ripping apart, You're you're not living, You're
kind of dying, you know what I mean, Like you
are like alive, but like rotting and dead and deteriorating
from whatever. You know, there's all kinds of like you've
got contamination stuff, if you've got voodoo stuff, you've got supernatural.
So we can break the genres down at a later date.

(39:07):
My list is a smorgasboard of like people who brought
something to it that wasn't there before.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Interesting, Okay, I got That's why.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
The list is here. There's a lot of things on
this list. I wanted to be on this list. I
had to narrow it down to people who brought things
to the table that we had not really had yet
that had changed the game. If you will, Walking Dead
is awesome. It did not change the game. It just
brought in and highlighted an element of the culture and

(39:38):
zombies that had already been in film and fandom had
already built around you see what I mean. Like, sure,
it's not new, it's cool, it's great, it's well written,
it's well acted, it's winning awards, it's still around noice.
It's just not doing anything I haven't seen before.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Well, and it's none of those things now.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Right, it's something else. Now, that's fine. But my point
is is that all it really did was capitalize the
zombie genre. It capitalized it. Now it's everywhere now, it
was in everyone's home. You know, domestic violence rates are
up because people are arguing about how they would survive it,
you know what I mean, Like wow, So, you know,

(40:22):
good for Walking Dead for zombie culture to get everyone
back into it again. But it was already there, and
it was there in the form of some of these films.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
On the list, but also killed the It killed the
vampire trend.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Right, Yeah. It came in and just knocked Twilight like
right out, and they had they went underground blood.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, we're like we were. It was too many vampires.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You gotta move on.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm going with vampires coming back.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Now everything comes back around again. You know everything, it's oversaturated.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Sinners Sinners was outstanding as far as a modern zombi
vampire flick.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Happy to see that.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I remember in the chat we were talking about how
like they were like, oh, have you seen a You
seen it? I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna see it, but
like I kind of already saw it from Dust the Dawn. Well,
it's totally different. It's totally different. And then I find
out that Coogler is like, this is my tribute to
Dustell Dawn.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Like, oh, there's no question.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
No, he says it in words, you know what I mean,
Like he said, you.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Could even watching it. There's no question that it's.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
There's no question in it. But like the man was
open about it, like I wanted to do this, which
is kind of cool because it needed done, because that's
a movie that, you know, is in my like top
ten movies of all time that a lot of people forget,
you know what I mean, because things just new generations
can in. New stuff comes in and takes over and
and the old stuff goes to the wayside.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
But the nice thing about the successive Sinners is there
will be people who watch From Dust Till Dawn for
for generations to come, because that's now its own Franchise's
seven more movies of that coming around. So the big
the bigger the fandom around Sinners gets, the more likely
it is they will stumble across.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
What was it's I mean, Dustell Dawn is back on regals,
uh list for re release for Halloween for ausut Oh,
that's cool. Yeah, there's a thirty one movie at Regal.
Every day is like I think tomorrow is Casper, Like
last Friday was Candy Man. So every day at Regal
they're showing a horror film that's a classic, and Dustal
Dawn got in the list. Now. Of course Halloween three

(42:14):
is on Halloween Day, so everybody can eat.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
That, all right.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
The last one, which I want to talk it's similarities
with obviously Zombie here. So Zombie was an unofficial a
sequel to Donna the Dead, right, this is an unofficial
sequel to Night of the Living Dead?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yes, correct, So John Russo, who co wrote Night of
Living Dead. Night of Leaving Dead was so successful everyone
wanted to get their hands in and do more, Like
what can we do next? We can do next? So
Russo and Romero agreed. I don't know how that conversation
went if it was like a bad blood thing or
if they were cool with each other on it. Russo
went his own way and wrote Returning Living Dead as

(42:59):
a novel, and the novel itself very rare book to
get a hold of. It's quite a collectible. Is not
anywhere near what the film Return Living Dead had become.
It was Russo's concept to do basically expand on the
Night Living Dead that you know, the content that they
find out that like you know, the military is involved,

(43:21):
and there was contaminants and stuff like that, and it
was very serious. And then he sold the rights and
the producer took it to a new direction and brought
in Dan O'Bannon, who is like the godfather of like
the Alien Scripts and franchise. And O'Bannon does his own
take on Return and it starts to get comical, and
it starts to get like satirical, and it is the

(43:43):
first time in zombie culture and lore that we're using
the whole brains thing. So you have the most popular
zombie of all time, the Tarman, you have the half corpses,
the corpse on the table who.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Is dying hurts. That's that's hurt.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Right, yeah, well not having the yeah, and eating the
brains makes the pain go away, and then you have
tar Maan.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Doing brain more paramedics right right, right, So you're getting
sort of like sention zombies again, and that's definitely indicative.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Of where Ramera wanted to go. But here you're you know,
you're in I guess nineteen eighty four, eighty five. You know,
it's at this point that the zombie genre is exploding.
At this point, you've got Evil Dead in eighty one,
Dawn in seventy eight, you know, and by the time
you hit the mid eighties, you're getting there's so much
other stuff that came out in the mid eighties that

(44:37):
zombie related. This happened to be the peak eighties zombie film.
You're getting a punk rock soundtrack, it's taking them on.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
So it's such a fun movie.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
It's so much fun. You're taking the zombies into an
urban direction and they're amping up the highjinks, the comedy.
It's got a comic bookie feel. I just got to
work on I'm a book for it.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, So that was so cool when you said over
that first time, and I was like, oh shit, tar Man.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I know I.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Pinch myself now as a teenager, like I used to
seek that movie out on VHS all the time to watch,
wore the tape out, and you know, now the culture
around Return is bigger than ever. Every horrcon you go
to there's people dressed up with the characters, the merches everywhere,
and you know there's a remake in the process. But

(45:28):
it had to be my number one because of all
those elements.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Now, it's an interesting list because of the premise that
you put around it, because it was really about what
evolved and added to the zombie lore. I would be
interested and maybe this this is for another show. Maybe
we'll revisit this maybe next year or something. But another
five that are specifically your favorite oh not what not
that change the game, but you if it's on, I

(45:55):
gotta watch it.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, there's a couple on the list. I would just
move in and out for like a couple others, you know,
like I love Cemetery Man, which is like like, if
you haven't seen that one, watch that one. It's like
and it's like if Edgar Allan Poe did Evil Dead,
which is really really really artsy and cool. The effects
are great. It's a little bit of a foreign it's
a foreign film, so you know, it doesn't quite play

(46:18):
like one. It plays like Europe's take on Evil Dead,
but I feel like it's like we went under a
different name, like Dela mort della Morte for a while.
But in America it was released a cemetery man, and
I love that thing. That's an honorable mention. Another honorable
mention for me is Return of the Living Dead Part three.

(46:38):
That's the chick with the chick. Yeah, just a Melinda
Clark playing Julie, which is another kid.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
She's got all the stuff coming, like she's got.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
The glass and so she can't fight the hunger for flesh,
so she's like doing self mutilation and it's you know,
it's dated effects, but it's definitely intense and like she
becomes this really cool character by the end of the movie,
and they really it's she shines in it, and that's
why I like the film. But they also like take

(47:10):
the using zombies as meat batteries and war to the
next level, which is just kind of like super silly meat.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Batteries and war.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
All right, So one last thing that I think would
be fun, and we're gonna move this somewhat quick. But
I realize that, after our long talk about the history
and lineage of zombie movies, that one of the worst
websites for something like this has their top one hundred
of all time ranked from the best source for for
finding out what people think about movies, Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
So I figure, let's pull up this list, let's go
through it together.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
You want to start to one hundred or like ten.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I think we're gonna start at one, and we're gonna
see which of these you know, vers I know, and
what we agree.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
We'll just go through a few of them.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
But the first one here, I have never heard of
one cut of the Dead twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Have no idea about.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
This, right, Yeah, so you're getting into sort of the
Asian aspect genre, which Trained to Busan is another.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
One on Trained to Busan I've had on my watch
list forever, right, and I've never got I want so
badly to watch this movie, but something always comes up
that we either have to review or it's and then
of course when I finally get a chance to watch it.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I'm like, oh, maybe do I have laundry to do?
Oh I've got Well.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
That genre is very intense. It's very intense body horror stuff.
It's you know, they don't pull any punches. It's definitely
you know, I don't watch like everything that comes out,
so forgive me for that. But from what I understand,
like that genre is leading the pack with pushing it
to the next edge.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Well, I say, I say this is on our list
for movies to review.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
I say, we go through this and then see what
it's connected to, because this is what I've been stoked
for for a while. I think it's ridiculous that it's
above Night of the Living Dead, right.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, I don't necessarily I know if I like this
list already, but that's me.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Living Dead at number three is wild. Take me.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I'm sure Train of Bussan you know what I mean?
Outdoes like the Gore on Night of Living Dead, like
the Night Living Dead is. It's not the first zombie film,
but it is like the quintessential.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Zombie film absolutely.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
And then depending on how you I mean, I guess
if they're basing the list solely on the Tomato meter
and on this score for viewers, So if it's just
based on that, then I can I give it a pass.
But if somebody actually sat down and put this list together.
Shame on you.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I feel like that needs to be a little higher.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
How does the rate?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I feel like it's got to be the scores, because
you could see the score.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Drops a little bit here with Night of a Living
Dead to eighty seven from eighty nine, and then we
go a little bit further down with Reanimator from ninety
five to ninety four.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And eighty seven to eighty two.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
So it's based on the score.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, and re Animator is a fun movie too.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Re Animator is phenomenal. I just don't know if it
would be in the top ten for zombie films. Like
One of the Dead is in the top five hundred
movies of all time, that should be number one to start.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Well, and you can see Dona the Dead art right there.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Ninety percent. So out of all of these, the actual
viewership outside of critics.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Is the highest. Okay, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Higher than everybody so far. That's the highest viewer audience
all of this.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Shawan of the Dead at ninety three. Yeah, that's different though.
That's gonna hit a whole different market.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, it's a different genre. It's another different genre. You're
the comedic aspect of British aspect.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
That's so good, by phenomenal, one of my time favorites.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
You don't like Shanna the Dead, you don't like zombie movies?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I love that. Oh like this Return of the Living
Dead number seven? All right, yeah, of course be in there, all.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Right, Blood Quantum, I don't know that one, twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I skipped that one, but it's it's an intense one.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Record is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Although this is wreck so this isn't record, so record
is still good.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I think both of these are good. I don't know
if i'd put in at nine though that's a little high.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well there, it's like there's just a zombie land out
I love, but Dead Alive right, there should be above
like the last.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Four and twenty eight years above twenty eight days, Get
the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah that's wild.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
That's nope, nope, no, no. The Night Eats the World.
Oh that's called kind of a cool cover. I don't
know that movie.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I don't know it either. Like I said, I have,
I can't watch everything all the time, but I'm happy that,
you know, doing this podcast with you is teaching me
something as well.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
It's gotta be fun.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
The girl with all the Gifts. Never heard of that.
The Autopsy of Jane Doe. Wow, I walked with a
zombie that seems old nineteen forty three.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Oh wow, Yeah, it's a hammer that's up your alley.
There you go, Corpse Bride. I don't know if i'd
put Corpse Pride. I guess it. I guess it's a
zombie movie, but I don't really consider it one movie.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, Ponytail, Overlord, Overload was wild, warm bodies.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I enjoyed more than I thought I would.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, they got that idea for me? I love that?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Is that true? Kind of Well, that's a story for
another time.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
They didn't have They didn't have it until I pitched
Living Corpse.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Oh really yeah, so what to that studio?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Oh that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah, it's funny when you pitched stuff in Hollywood, they
act like they really really like it, and then when
you don't hear anything from them in weeks, you know
they've taken your idea and they're rewriting it.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Just you're just waiting for the trailer to drop.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, So don't go to Hollywood with your movie. Make
your movie on your.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Own, and you know it's there. There you go, there's
a tease.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
There's a teas we don't we don't need to here.
That's bread crumbs. There you go, a little break crumb
for it there?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Remember that? Remember what he just said?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Uh, Like, there's so many movies missing from the list.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
That I have no idea what I'm looking at anymore.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Let's just kind of going sideways.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, when we get to forty two and we're at
Dead Snow, isn't that those zombies?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I haven't even seen Land of the Dead yet.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Oh, Land of the Dead was up higher. Yeah, Land
of the Dead was pretty high. Land of the Dead
was I skipped that.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
There?

Speaker 3 (52:59):
It is Land of the Dead, but I don't think
it should be above cock me versus zombies.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
What's weird? You know what I'm noticing by this is
it's like a lot of the stuff is either classic,
old or somebody's new take on it. And there's a
ton of stuff that isn't in that list that is
awesome that you would only know from a VHS perspective.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
What was that movie you had me watched? We talked
about this on the show Popcorn Popcorn. Yeah, I would
have never in a million years.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, like Night of the Creeps should be on that list.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
And it's never I've never heard of Night of the Creeps.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Oh man, where do you think Stranger Things got their
intro from? From the logo when the pieces move in
and make the logo, that's from that the Night of
the Creeps take. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
See, this is what I'm talking about. This is this
is the gateway.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
And in Night of the Creeps, it's like aliens drop
off a canister to Earth and these slugs come out
and they get in people, and it's on a college
campus and you know, they basically become zombiefied. They're like
walking around like zombies and when you kill them, the
slugs pop out. Well I mean that was in Slither

(54:06):
they did that and what we're what we were just
talking about?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, I just right before Night of the Creeps. I'm sorry,
I lost.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Track with with zombie with I don't know, I forget
that part. Cut that cut that cut, that cut that.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Sorry. I was trying to make a point, I can
I got so in inch to talk about Night of
the Creeps. I completely lost my point.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, okay, I think I think this is a good start.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I feel like I feel like I have a much
deeper knowledge of what constitutes a zombie movie, because I'll
be honest, I wouldn't have necessarily thought of Evil Dead
as a zombie movie. I would think of that like
paranormal Possession. But I can see how it makes the list.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Well, I mean, when you get to Army of Darkness,
what are you dealing with? An army of the dead.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
So it's true, it was, but like, do we consider
skeletons zombies?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Are they that? I mean?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah? Reanimated corpses, you know, I mean moving dead, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I it's gonna be so funny where you and I,
you and I, you and I are going to agree
on everything, but some of the most minute dumb details.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I mean, it's called the it's only called the Evil
Dead because they couldn't call it the Living Dead, you
know what I mean. I didn't even have to change
the name at some point.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yeah, that's funny. You go back through the films, it's
like I walked with the Corpse, the walking corpse, you
know what I mean. Like, it's always like everyone is
trying to, you know, spin off that title.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Well, what do you think we're doing next time?

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Well, we're either going to get top five pishures or
like top horror films of all time, top five.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Oh you're you're You're able to do top five of
all time.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I mean I can create a top five. As I
always say, it's tangential. It's constantly shifting, like a kaleidoscope.
So where you're at this year, Yeah, in the moment
is where I'm at, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Oh, then we'll have to We'll have to do decades
at some point.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Yeah, maybe it would be I mean at that point
we ma as well now that yeah, we mentioned it,
we might as well just do it, like best top
top top five harmonies of seventies, top five harmonies of
the eighties, because if you look the bet for horror,
what's that?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
What do you think the best decade for horror was?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
In my opinion, I mean, it's probably the seventies and eighties,
because everything that's coming out today is just emulating that stuff.
So anything that comes out I can compare it to
something that came out before. Most likely some of the
A twenty four stuff is kind of taking new takes
on old folklore or like old horror, you know, I mean,

(56:30):
like there's a different you're looking at, like a different
type of history that in those areas where you can
tell a horror story like the Witch for example, Wile
movie things like that. Like it's a different type of
it's another genre.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
But it is interesting how hard that must be.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I mean, not to go down this rabbit hole a gang,
because we've got to start wrapping this up since we've
recorded for almost an hour. This is twenty minutes. No,
it's fine, it's a fun conversation. But I think it
is interesting when you think of.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You know what I'm I'm drained.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I'm drained.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Well, we're calling it. We're doing one more of the
I do.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I was gonna try and rehash it, but no, we're
We're gonna stop it here because poor Moshco asked that
at this thing.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
We've gone off for so long.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
But I do what I do want to hear more
about I think I want to do if you don't mind,
I think I want to do slashes next.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah, let's do that. I mean, I'm already working on it, so.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I want to do slashes next. Let's do that.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Then we let's do I just got a copy of
Good Boy so I'm pretty quick stoked to check that out.
That's been out of all the horror movies coming out recently,
that's the one I've been looking.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Forward to the most streaming.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Uh, I don't I don't know if it's streaming. Is
it going to shutter?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I don't know. I'll find out. I'll look it up.
I'll make sure I get a hold of it.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I think it's shutter, let's see. But regardless, I know
that it is released on October third, so it's definitely
when is it coming to streaming three days ago?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I'm not going through this, but we will. Let's let's
watch that, and then let's let's think of some movies
that are in the same vein. I'll come up with
one or two. You come up with one or two?
And nine are dog Soldiers?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Uh, I know something. I've never seen it though.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
It's what you can you can get. You can get
through that one.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I can get through that.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Okay, I can get through a lot. I'm just I'm
a bitch before I hit play. Once I get to
the end, I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
But I don't like.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Especially with eye things like you, dude, you should have
seen me in the theater during Evil Dead when the
needles started coming at the eye and then she hits
them a bunch of times.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Oh, I almost do up on the popcort.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
I'm not a needy either. I don't do the needle,
no thank you.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
But on that note, go over do all the things
that all your social media people tell you to do,
all the YouTubers tell you.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
We need all that same support.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
So the like button to comment, let us know what
your favorites zombie movies are, what your top five is,
because I think.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
It'd be interesting to see.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
I like that idea, all right, with that mental buzz,
not on that plan again. I said that that that
that that's not h