That Saints Pod 2024 Episode 7

Well discussing what can only be described as the worst month in the Saints Superleague History, Graham, Ste, Darren, Beechy dig right into the bones of the games.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, and welcome to the August edition of That Saints Podcast.
I'm Graham Cunliffe and we are a bit thin on
the ground tonight with a D Gaz and Paul on
holiday in warmer sun of your climbs. We're stuck here provide,
providing the entertainment. And what a month. What a month
July I was. I've never sworn to my knowledge on

(00:27):
our podcasts over the last seven eight years, but fucking hell,
what a month, Juel I was. We know why with
the Steve Beach on the buttons and I'll be giving
us some wisdom tonight evening Steak.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Graham, I've got to say, well, at the end of
this month when we're not obviously we've seen all the
results that have come and I thought.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
This podcast is going to be not that we struggled
all things to say, but oh my god. Yeah, well
Paul Rigby's back. How you shouldn't we shouldn't have got
the twins.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And he's all lanky. Yeah, I'm gold to.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm returning from a month off, stay stay off and
how you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Hello?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
You're right?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Not too bad myself yet just the one show off,
Well it sounds like a whole month.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
One of you was missing on the month before. If
you remember, that's true, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was when
it was winning. Then that's my fault. Well, I thought
we'd do a little bit different this week. I've been
surfer surfing social media, having a good look round at
the Saints fan sites and seeing what's going on. And
I've got a number of topics to discuss. I noticed

(01:51):
on our our friends at red V have been running
a column vote wellings in or out or wellings let's
give him some support, And it's pretty it's pretty mixed,
and it's a mixed not on the better side for
for for well afraid. Let's just declare my my position
on this. If if we lost at Hull, it might

(02:12):
have been a different show today. But I'm not one
for throwing the baby out with the bath water all
the time, and I think in a big professional sport
it's not necessarily the best thing to do in the
middle of a season. But there's a lot of there's
a lot of pressure, a lot of a lot of
if some But my original position, and I've always said this,
is that I would have preferred well to have gone

(02:33):
elsewhere before he got the job. At Saints, got some
experience not in the Saint's family as it were, so
that when things do go awry and shit happens as
it were, we can put a bit more experience to
do with it. So I'm not happy the way things
are going. And we'll discuss other issues in relation to

(02:54):
start a player recruitment, discipline, et cetera, et cetera as
we go along. But I am borderline. Let him stay
and let's make it work. What are your thoughts lads
in this situation? You've not you've not come out yet.
Stay on this.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I haven't. I haven't come out yet. No, I haven't
called for him to go. That's what you mean yet.
But having said that, I mean I've got extremely extreme
doubts about whether he is the answer long term to
the coaching situation because it has been until that Sati's
game against All it has been fairly diabolical. Let's be honest,

(03:31):
it's not been great as it The castle for the
game was like that was I thought that was a
low and then and then the league game came along
and made it look good. So it's not been great,
and a lot of it is I think tactical or
too conservative and on the in mitigation, there's been a
lot of injury, especially in the park, which is very important,

(03:51):
like Morgan knows Alex Warmsley, and they're very important to
to what Saints do, how Saints.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Play, it's more important to SATs.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
And then you add that to a lack of pace
that we already had in the backs, which is exacerbated
by the fact that the people who haven't got your
pays are injured because you're bringing youngsters who might have
a bit more paces, but they've got you know, naive
to your lack of experience. It's a recipe for you know,
a bet of a strouble where it's.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Been m state. Yeah, what's on the well points on
the coach inside of things that before we discuss other stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, what Steve said with regards to you know,
give him a chance. Uh, if you look at if
if if you take the results are of it sort
of thing we've always we've been playing this, you know
sort of what we do. We call it it's not
our style is it's not entertaining, And suddenly we're not
getting the results big and we're still playing that way. Yeah,

(04:45):
and I look at it this way that who we
are and the games that we've lost, we're still in
a relatively good position. And I think we've been spoiled
over the last you know, four or five years or so,
well even even longer than that to a certain degree.
And I think you've got to give him a chance.
It is a new coach, and I think they will
give him a chance.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't think for one moment they'll get rid of
him before the end of the season. Obviously with the
all the i MG stuff knocking around as well, and
if if, if the rumors are true, Liebriers is coming
in not to help out next season, then I would
look at at the very least, I would say he's
gonna get next season and see see how things go

(05:27):
with you know, if if things change, the uh, it's
the old thing world. But we know, you know what
what it was like way back when we when Wiggan
would dominating everything and giving us a cane and giving
everybody else. And you know, we knew what it was
like then. But it's not as if in a relegation
fights or anything like that. So it's not the end

(05:48):
of the world for me. I say, it stays and
you know, it's taking the you know, sort of emotion
outside the thing as a well, because because that's what
it is. And the end of the day as well,
it's a business and that salary cap sports. You know,
we've got all these injuries. We can't you know, even
if we had the money sort of even if they're alloudness,

(06:10):
you know, we can't go out and buy anybody because
you know, obviously our caps spend the youngsters who have
come in the good but like Steve said that the
good from cadded points of view, they've come in. But
then you've got Europe against you know, men euro up
against You've not got the experience. And I think that's
what it is you find are doing wrong. Then there

(06:32):
was a time thing we're discussing before, and were we
winged about that movie that went from it went from
Johnny Lomax through to Wellsby and through to and you thought, oh,
everybody can read that.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
We don't even try that now, you know, And I
think it's the fear and you've got you know, obviously
capitalizing on things now is obviously Wellsby's out, so it's.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Only going to have more pressure. Yeah, that Wellons stars
for me.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
On this particularly, Yeah, I think to be fair Wellens,
I don't think is going anywhere, so I think the
club will stick by him. But when Wellens came in,
everybody said, oh, it's going to be another cunning game,
you know, too soon, et cetera, et cetera. But I
think we do have to give him time.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Do we have to give him more time because of
that situation.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'd certainly give him until I'd say probably April next
year to may see how we start the season. Because
for me now, I think with the injury crisis that
we've got, I can't see us being anywhere near Grand
Grand Final. We can't nowhere near league leaders. So for
me now that it has to start recruiting and developing

(07:50):
and planning for twenty twenty five. But the most frustrating thing,
as we've probably all felt, well, you know, for lou
In four games in a row is bad enough, but
then when you lose five and we've not done it
for what thirty eight years or something, so you know

(08:10):
that in itself, to lose that, I mean, that didn't
even happen on the cooming, you know, so you start
you start questioning the team and start questioning the coach,
start questioning the club, start questioning everything about you know,
from top to bottom. But then, like you said, Graham,
if we would have lost against Hull, I would have
been sitting here now saying that's it. But then you

(08:33):
turn up at Hull. We've still got a depleted squad.
Yes they have two, but we play them off the
field and I know their defense was rollful, but I
don't know. One minute you turn and go, oh, that's it,
you got to go, and then next minute you think
to give him more time and he's this. But I
don't know what the answer is at the minute with

(08:53):
the club, because they're so high and then they're so
low and we just can't seem to get a level.
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
I don't think we have ourselves in many ways, because
I know Stee's alluded to this over the years that
there's our style of play is a style of play
that I think you have to win. You've got to
win everything with this style of play, because there's no
there's no other side to it is there's no entertainment.
If you don't win, have you win?

Speaker 4 (09:18):
If you lose playing this way, then in trouble. Yeah,
that's what Kellam found out in the end.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just it's it's and.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
It was top four and they outside the top four.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well yeah, but it's it's this just the five drives
and a kick for most of the game. And I'm
sure the players can play if they want to.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, well will they show that against you know, they
throw the ball around, they get through you know, you
got forwards barging through, parsy running, you know, twenty meters
to score. You know, we've got big players.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
If you look at it logically that this season, the
only time and this is even with a fully fit
squad early doors, the only time we've played really good
would be was against O Away when we got you know,
that far away. We were comfortable on you and it
didn't matter if they made the balls of things basically,
and it was you know, you're also looking at Wow,

(10:10):
that's good, that's fantastic, and that's how you wanted it
all the time. But once you can't get away far
enough from whoever you're playing on on on the scoreboard,
then there's that fear of or.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Don't want to make a mistake. We don't want to
make any add this type of thing, but we still
make plenty. We might go on that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Again, the most strating thing is all the games that
we've played and lost. Every single one apart from Warrington,
which you know, sorry not Warrington, sorry lay Away. Every
single one of them games were winnable. Yeah we're within
two or three points or four points whatever. Warrington for
me was a completely not of farce. Probably come onto

(10:49):
the game. You know, it's frustrating because you look at it,
even wigging Away, where we didn't really give ourselves much
of a chance with her, we could have won it,
could have won that game. Yeah, so you know we
could be sating now, probably second, even first, if we
would have just had that bit more effort or a
bit more composure or so Is that the players? Is

(11:09):
that the coaches?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I don't know, Yeah, I mean there was there was
some of the games I was watching on looking at
and it was like no disrespect for school kids.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
But it was there was no structure.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
There wasn't and you're really time after time that you know,
certainly from a defensive point of view as well, you
know you're all ready there to go in for it.
For Eature, the guy who's next to you? I mean
certainly the Lee game, you're looking at it, what are
you going? Some of them were absolutely.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
And Warrington game as well, and that was mentioned. And
you see the kids by a half time and they
don't have the ball to We just look for a
gap themselves all the time. I look for a gap
when they go up. That's what it was like, exactly
what two men overlap, but we just straight out of
you they passed the ball.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, we'll come to that later a bit more in detail.
Thought that was a low point for me when Warrington
went down to Les. Yeah, and we didn't change anything,
and I'm shaking my head, banging this luf on the
what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
What we're doing? Nothing? You know, we're down to eleven
men and nothing changes.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
And its scored another two tries.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Alright, a shambles.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Just I'm just thinking of thinking back, get me kept
me awake for a few nights. But but generally with
the club understanding play, okay, it's a sort of continuation
of Wolf Wolf Wall, and that this is how we
want everything and if we're going to carry on because
we'll keep doing it and we'll keep winning stuff. I
think that's been nailed to a stop now on it.

(12:39):
But is it it's the club causing itself a problem
with its recruitment, and it's it's sort of p r
with the fans because I don't feel there's anything coming
out of the club.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
It should panic regarding recruitment just yet. But you're right,
other clubs are making moves and we seem to be
more indecisive. We've had an announcement on what's happening with
Monga Blake yet or on Connie Hurrell who's obviously got
quite a serious injuries. We don't know what his future is.
So until there's all the future of guys like this

(13:12):
who are on big contracts, how do we how can
they make any you know, bring anybody in.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I guess we're kind of stuck in it like difficult.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
If you don't know what you're doing with those those players.
You know, you don't know what cap space you've got
to recruit to make it difficult unless they know something
we don't and it is just a bad communication from
on their.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Pad maybe And there's all this the issue with.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
IM going to I was just going to say so
on I mean, you know, it's okay giving players the
time to make a decision on you know, what they
want to do. But as a club, we've got to
be looking at next season because if only at the
end of this month ago, as we'll actually I'm going, well,
then we're three months behind where we should have been signed.
Like like so re smart and who've mentioned in previous shows,

(13:56):
you know, do you look at you know, there's all
these players and they're getting snapped up by and center
and like Conrad, Like, I don't know whether we'll see
Conrad in a Saint shirt again just because of his age,
because of his injury. You know, his contracts up anyway,
So if he's not going to be playing next season,

(14:17):
we're like we need players now, you know, to sort
of bolster our squad. So as a club, you know,
if that's the decision that he's not going to be
here next season, do you say, well, thank you very much, Conrad.
There's your wages for the rest of the year. Mate.
We've got cap space now to go and look elsewhere
or you know, and there seems to be none of
that like proactive sort of maybe there is. Maybe maybe

(14:41):
we're all blind, you know, we're all blind, and things
are going on, And I don't want to criticize the
club because I know there's a lot of hard work
that goes into the Salard cap. But as a fan
point of view, we're all in the dark. And you know,
we sat here last month before weeks on and the
rumor of Briers then is still not confirmed, and we've

(15:02):
got no players to back that up with, and it's.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
There was talk of Tristan Saylor coming with them as
well at the time, but that's.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Gone quiet as well. That's happens as a fan, you
start doubting, you know, you're thinking, what's happening because the
same thing happened twelve months ago.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Well, that's exactly, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
And the next minute we've got Longer Blake, who it.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Was only ever coming for a year anyway before he went.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
To exactly so is he still, like you said, is
he staying? Is he going? And we just don't know
what's going on, and we can't keep on relying on
the academy to pull us out every time we need
to bolster the squad. And I'm all for bringing the
players through, but the players need time to develop, they
need time to train, because you know, we've had so

(15:50):
many players in the past where they've been thrown in
and the next minute, two seasons later, they're off to
witness to Rockstale, off to somewhere else because they've been
thrown in that cauldron. But I don't know, we just
need as fans. I think we just need something, something
to do, you know what. Yeah, we're moving forward, we're looking.

(16:11):
We're looking a hard.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think the injury I would say crisis because we've
had a situation at one point where we had nine
first team as unavailable.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
That is, it's tough to handle that.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Anybody couldn't handle that. Yeah, yeah, big players as well.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean the question ther is, could you know the
success we've had in the past with Wolf and before
that all Brook, would those two coaches have been a
successful with an amount of injuries in a season.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
So there's there's a it's an infraant measurement of of
wellons in that respect.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
You know, you're thinking, I think Horbit would have got
away with him better because he brought then barbering or
whatever else happened. We're good to watch because we had
Ben Barber.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, but if Ben Barber got injured, well, you know what,
That's what I'm saying about it.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
But I think he naturally had the more open style anyway.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
If we would have got absolutely, you know, battered by
all these things as we did away against the Lake,
because that was a total whitewash. But if we would
have got battered, like I said before, we were in
these games and every single game was winnable, for me,
that's more frustrating. Because we've got nine first teams out.
I'd rather go and get beat fifteen IL and go right, Okay,

(17:28):
we're rubbish.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I could still do better when you've got like a
man or two man advantage, feel that players injured should
still do better than that, because.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Then for me, that comes down to the coaching.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, but when you've got twenty yards a try line
to go over and there's nobodys have never seen anything that.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm in this vicious circle at the moment and it
just keeps on coming round and around. I'm not saying
anyway a minute.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
But when you when you look at those injuries and
the level of them, and they're not just sort of
the knocks that they could probably play with if they
needed to. They are serious long term injuries. On top
of that, the discipline hasn't been great, and we've lost
one and two players in those games for ten minute periods,

(18:19):
so we're playing half for we've been playing half a
game half a half with twelve men and losing points.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
There.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
On top of those injuries and nine to ten players,
and I think we've got two more suspensions. I think
low Max is out front of the two weeks. I
think Percy might be back. Is bad for a week.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
That lost the game, where sent off and we lose
the game.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
But if you think of injuries and discipline that costs
what they've cost us over this year, is that down
to the coaching.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
They're going to accept responsibility for it. I think whether
it is because they're the end of their bookstops with them.
If we're if we're playing, if we're displaying bad discipline,
their job, and it's to say we can't have this,
cut it out sort of it. And it's not it's
not stopping. It's not time of it.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Stopping, but it's happening all the time.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
The rules are tougher than they used to be, but
you got to adapt.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
They're going to get tougher next year. Don't go there.
Another thing that's going to come off, but that would
be that would be a whole the whole show next year,
that that we're dragging people off out of the stand
to play because we've got nobody.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Apparently head contacts have been reduced. Also, I think maybe
we might go away with might not go the whole
hog and bringing the armpit rule?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Is it being it's been discussed they discussed.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, yeah, supposed to come in next season. But I
watched all the games this this this weekend and and
plenty headshops haven't been punished for me, because how is it?
How's it going? We seem to get pointed for every
anybody who lies down and falls over when they're playing
against somebody goes off.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
That's That's the other thing is that's a.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Big debate in the game, is that do you if
you get hit in the head, do you then stop
and get some sort of attention from the from the
medical team. Does that then influence the decision to give
them time to review it.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's what happens, isn't it. It doesn't get review, which
from my points of it, should make any different time
of way. The person who's in the box should be
having a look at that whether it's it's still play on.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
But if you're a coach, though rightly or wrong with
if you said to your players, if you get hit
in the head, time getting up and then we'll we'll
see whether you know, they get card or redcarded.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Even that's definitely gonna happen, isn't it. But I think
with us we seem to make we seem to give
the referees a job to do. Could be caught. Certainly
the Percy one that was against someone I can't think
there's a few of them. In the last one with

(21:04):
the league game when he went straight through on moiling
and then the Johnny one where.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
By the way that inciplined the nuts that was I
didn't have the ball.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
But that's just I mean, that wouldn't it didn't lose
us the game, but it doesn't help. And he got
in the band and Johnny got three for a pretty
stupid one. I thought.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Was that was the force involved in that was pretty
pretty heavy shot.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
So which is not law Macks, is it?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Because does that come out of frustration and obviously being
because he is the team are away at Lee and
getting absolutely wallops you know, so mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I suppose.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That's another question is is Johnny Lormacks the right person
to be captain? And that's sort of sense.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
It is a lot of people, a lot of people
wouldn't have being the team because he's not. You know,
he didn't look to be the player that he was
maybe even two years ago.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
But I think that's because we've become easy to play against,
because teams have watched us for five years now, so
that's all we need to do against Saints. Certainly Hockey
are Warrington, Wigan, the other teams now cast have even
shown the way to beat us.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Try not to do it, but the fans certainly pick
up on it. You know, with Ben Inson, he was
he was like the lad he's no get rid of him,
so he doesn't doesn't play. And then it's Dodd. Oh,
DoD's not playing well, sitting on the sideline. And now
it seems because Lomax's not playing and we're beat hole.
Oh well it must be Lomax, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
It's it's always longer.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
But the new Francis Melli have a whole section on him.
But it's it seems to be, you know, we're picking
on certain players when you know a lot of the
time it is a team effort.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's great, and I mean you look at
it sometimes and some of these youngsters that come in
and that efforts, it's absolutely unbelievable. I mean, the lad
who came in, is it Burns as just looking at
him is building everything felt get all of him by
scruffing it now and get him in as were number
two straight away.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
That's that's aboually next point that the bonus of this
situation that we've found ourselves in I've listed for just
there's probably a couple more to talk about. But Robertson, Stevens,
Burns and Vaughn I've all shown that I think the
capable of stepping up. Ye Stephens particularly who looked like
a monster, and he's got a bit about him and

(23:33):
he punches holes. I think he's almost pushing him past Delaney.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Now yeah, well Delaney did the same thing twelve months
ago and he came in. I think pars the Parsy
and Warmsy had injury spells, and Delaney came in. He
looked good. I'd say, no, Stevens looks better than Delaney
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
He's awkward to get in that Warmsley type scenario as
he does it because he's he's tall, you know, he's lanky,
and somebody's difficult.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
But you know, Stephens, it just seems to it's leg drive.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Even when they're trying to get him down, they've got
leg drive and then suddenly an handle come out work.
He has that party type where words something else.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
He's almost got a bit of puppy fat on him
as well as at a minute, which will probably get
coached and trained that he's comes leaner and slimmer and fitter,
but you know he's keep him as he is.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Do you know what I would disagree with that? I wouldn't.
I mean, what do you do he's Kevin Lord shape,
isn't he? I'm not saying that you should feed him,
you know, so, so he is fat, what you do
is you turn that into into muscles as he gets older,
doesn't he?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
But I wouldn't certainly certainly not slimming down. I mean,
as much as I like Matty Lee's, I think that's
one of matter Le's. It's not a failure. But I
think if he had a bit more beef, beef and
he would be because he's got he's got in his head.
I mean it's and he's doing stuff that he shouldn't. Well,
I say it should does it because of his position
he should but I mainly size doesn't dictate that he

(25:08):
should be doing that.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
But he's almost too quick for a prop because he
gets himself into situations where he's been too quick and
he's in somebody that But if he slowed down thoughts
about it, it might not he might not quite got there
quick enough. Robertson, this lads a player for me if
he can just yeah, no, it is. He just doesn't

(25:31):
suffer because of the games he's playing.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
That's that's what we said before we came on tonight
doing it about Robertson, Like you know when the lights
are like James Roby came through and James Graham came through,
that they're getting thrown into teams that are winning. You know,
you've got some really good, solid players there. And for
me at the moment, these players are getting chucked in
and we're just I just fear that we're not like

(25:56):
twenty ten, twenty eleven, when you know the lights are
gas or coming through and you know them sort of
plays like Eastman and yeah, all of a sudden, all
them players have gone because they've gone thrown into the
cauld and I don't know. Yeah, Robertson looks looks a
different class. He looks as good as well as for me.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I think from an attacking point of view, service I
think defensively at the Mormons, he's a bit like the
way he's dropping on the shoulders the likes of Clark.
It's good that try and in the last game and
obviously the breaking it's got that in his locker. And
he's another one who's awkward. Yeah, I mean, you don't
know when you've got him down and he's you know,

(26:41):
and he's not find of sort of like coming inside
and checking on the foot his first inclination and let
me catch and pass it on. It could be so
easy for him to do that, but he doesn't. So
you know, you've got to set your hat off to
him for that.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, I hope it doesn't get coached out of him.
Your thoughts on the Evans, Watson.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
I have some concerns, not not the way they're developing.
I think they're doing really, really well and it's some
in some ways you could argue that you know, it
would be even worse without them. But I worry about
how we as soon as they get in the first team,
we tend to, you know, overstate their their worth and
their and their value and we want them to stay
and play every week. And I'm not sure that that

(27:22):
he won the Are they good enough to do that
when everyone's it? Not really? I don't think so in
most cases, not now. And to what does it do
to them? You know, in terms of development? Is it
too soon? Because Wells Wellens talks after every game almost
about asking him to do too much, and I think
that he is asking him to do too much because
he has to. But I think that that also trans
transmits to the fans and they sort of assumed that

(27:46):
these guys are the real deal and ready it's all
going with fabulous. But for everyone that becomes Jack Wells
get you get one that becomes the guys that has mentioned,
you know, Jimmy Foster and Gary Wheeler and all that
sort of thing. So it's not I guarantee that these
guys are going to be super star, is what I would say.
So I think we need to give him a bit
of breeding space and not over hype them.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
And the problem, one of the problems dirty is that's
like you're saying thirsty. You know, you get the lights
who well and say, you know, the.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Give him his due. He's not come out and said
the superstar, he said, the good players, et cetera. But
you get.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Saying that a thing.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
But bud Sky get onto that and suddenly it's all
such and such a body has been talking and this lads,
and it's the best things. And that's every single match
that SAIDs to playing, the same rhetoric comes out. So
consequently that's been in reinforce s I said, I think
it was second game that Robinson played and I said
to my son, I said, do you know.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
What he's good? I said, both. He's got to learn
to defend. I said that they can't do that. I
don't know. And that's probably because he's not got enough
games in the first team. Well, I think he's been
throwing it fall back in all the big games, where
in an ideal world he might have had a couple
of games it's on the wing with with a full team,
he might a couple of he might have come on coming,

(29:00):
you know, with with with Tommy and outsigning for for
twenty minutes here and there. But he's actually been thrown in.
But he's not. He's not looked out of place, to
be fair, apart from the odd tackle, Yeah he was.
He was nowhere to be seen when Dufty yeah came study. Yeah,
but he'll learned with that. I mean that that's good
for him, but it's not it's not good. It's not

(29:20):
good for the time it happens in the game, is
it Okay? Well, I'm happy with those two young Jake
Burns who tries on Saturday, yeah seven, it looks looks
and looks at past.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
It looks like style wise, and I said this before
our hooker shup, he looks like players for the same physique,
same style, same passing range. Yeah yeah, I like in fact,
he looks the stories could be some somewhere on the
lines of Danny Walker at Warrington, you know that sort

(29:56):
of bier really into it.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah. He also looks like he's got quick service and
decent service, which is what doesn't happen when we're not
going to the field or Clark's not quite as good
as Roby. I think we're seeing that when Morgans there.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah, I think Clark as he is now offers you
a bit more than Robbie did the last two years.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Not only that going forward, Yeah, look at the minutes
has been doing as well. I mean you've got to
take your hat off him.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I have no problems. He's slotted in like god knows what.
But yeah, Jay Burns. For me, it's if there's one
that you've got to get hold off now and say.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Right, let's get him into seventeen. Yeah he was in this.
He was in the seventeen against wigging, but never they
didn't like that's bizarre.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
But if anyone's in danger being over hyped into local,
very careful, you know, because they've got a lot of
live up to money. Yeahs fair, So we can't you
go overboard on that one.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
I put a little question mark by Johnny Vaughan because
I think I've got a feeling of a concern that
he might be going the benefon way. Me too, because
he's in and out.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
He's Somebody told me the day that he actually is
a second rower. So it's been playing center mostly because
I looked him and thought it's not fast. He doesn't
like he's not a great passing game. Really, he just
doesn't let you down. He's stable, is okay, So I
couldn't see why everyone thought he was spectacular. But then
someone told me on Twitter that he's a second rower.
So we haven't seen him play second row. He looks

(31:19):
a bit small to player second row, I think, but
people have said that in the academy level of weather
he has played a lot of second row. So if
he ever gets a chance there, we we'll probably see
some of the different I think, but we're so stacked
there he won't be a chance there for him. Who
knows how long, because even with injuries, there's three or four.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Headings the ninth choices. You remember the day, So we said, oh,
we've got too many second rowers. I said that.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
When we signed Matt Whitley. I was like, what we
did with I mean, it's mental, but we had five
or six proper top line second rowers, and then up
until they came back as we only had like one. Serially,
that was it, right, Let's.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Get let's get this over with. Let's look at the
games in a bit more detail. So we've got to
do this, but it's all we have to have a
quick look at it. Dreadful reading. Let's first game first
game since our last show was Saint six Castleford eight.
That The actual details were Saints drive from from Royal,

(32:24):
the goal from Percy Seniors scored, a try for cast
in the second half, and two penalties from millns Mills,
both given away for stupidity. But we never looked like
scoring and we'll look to get six, I thought on
that occasion, and that was just the start of the

(32:44):
slide in July, shaking head watching that.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
What you thought, well, I said on the last show,
if we can't be Castle for the home, we might
as well give up. I think as well, Yeah, yeah,
it didn't go much better than that, really did it.
So I think we give up after that one. Yeah,
it was It was awful that you just said that

(33:09):
you touched on the attack. We never looked like scoring,
We never looked like we had any composure. The defense
was ropeye. I don't know. I didn't take much from
that game at all, to be honest with you, although
I just was frustrated and.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
It had a lot we had a lot annoying thing,
a lot of time on their line and I couldn't
get over.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Just couldn't got the game.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
We should have won in the counter and didn't found
a way to lose. In fact, do you agree with
that sting?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
I do, yeah, I mean full disclosed it. I didn't
go to this game and the reason why I didn't
got this game is because it's a smack bang in
the middle of the Euros and there's a big game.
I think it was Spain and Germany as a one,
and I said to be on the goal with I said,
win this a boy, forty points, it'll be worth our time.
So when I watched the game, was that Spain or
there was no chance to Spain or Germany scoring for

(33:58):
I say that for it, I mean it was. I mean,
if you're not say it to a Kasvan, it must
have been unwatchable. It was diabolical the standard it was.
It was not a great advert for super League at all.
Was one of the worst super League games I've seen
this year. Yeah, both sides like the game struggled to
look like creator even looked like scoring. It was just
a kind of grind, slow motion grind where I think

(34:21):
even make a break.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think even Sky relegated us because we get Buddy
Stewart Pike commentator.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Because he's the hometown fan.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
To be honest with it was wrong. Then when I
got home and just deleted it, I didn't even watch
it because I didn't want to put myself through that again.
It was it was dreadful. It was just awful. And
like you said that, there was just there was nothing.
You couldn't take anything from that game.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
No creativity at all now, but they were terrible to before.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
We could have won that because fifty five seconds ago,
passing knocks on, Yeah, and they get time goes over
and it's a totally different.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Don't dog that chucked the ball and it's a bullet pass,
you know, two meters away from minute's like a bullet pass.
You just had to fall over the line. He scored.
And it was one of them games where everything we did,
we're just frustrating. And you could hear You could always
hear it in the crowd, can't you When you stood there,
it's like.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, you know it is a crowd that is almost
ahead of the team. In the Saints. Yeah, they know
what they're going to do and they know what's going
to happen in the time.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
You have about fifty cast fans there, and every time
we were going out we got a chance a chance.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
And to be I mean, is it one of those
sort of scenarios. Casts were on a high because the
results is a matter of like I suppose they said
we're going to talk these by forty, so you know
the I was off the.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Prize type of thing. From from a Saints point too, well,
I think there was a there was an element of
complacency in that king. I think they thought they were
going to roll them over.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
And from the fans as well, well, you know that
because like you saying, I said it, you know, we
might as well give up if you don't be Castle.
You know, we we sort of like as fans, we
put ourselves up there on that pedestal, don't we. And
you know sometimes it's the our like our graft and
our ground and they're working hard for each other that
you actually get them results then you can.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
It's almost as if the crowd are playing badly as well.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, they lost one game at that time, we lost
it lost it's all for the thing which we could
have won, which we could have won again. So it
wasn't really a crisis at that point. I think if
we played Cast at home this weekend just gone be
a lot of fans saying that we probably won't win
this because of the phone that were.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, maybe maybe the crowd in the mirror.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Everyone thought we were going to win it easy and.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Then to lose it home to cast and then have
to go to Wigan.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, was was.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Dread factor in that. But look like unfortunately I think
they were missing Field and French on that occasion. But
again another game I think we should have won. It
could have won, we could. We found a way to
throw it away.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well, it's it's always that added thing of no matter
what seems turn up, whether it be Wiggan or Saints,
whether they've got injuries, whether they've not got injuries, when
they've got full strength, it's always one of them. The
players turn up for that game and it doesn't take much.
It probably does, but from a found point of view,
it doesn't seem to take much for a coach to
get that team up now for playing in that game.

(37:26):
So I think there was always going to be a
response after Castleford, you know, whether it be home at Wiggan,
all way at Wigan. Obviously it was away, but again
that you know, about three and a half thousand went.
It was a good turnout for you know, was losing
the past two games and that end was rocking, so

(37:48):
the players turned up and again could have won it.
And another game we could have won.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
And that was the Wasn't that the w for Robertson. Robertson?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
That was the game where Poland has dropped Lewis do Yeah,
which I'd I personally think he was totally scarped Goalding
because he could have dropped a whole lot from the
the game, dropping him and nobody else.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I don't know, because I think I thought being critical
of DoD Over, I think principally since he signed his
deal with or confirmed he's going to Australia, because he
seemed he seemed to me to go into I'm not
getting injured mode because I think and I think that's
what may have led to the slow down or slow
down in an attack. But he's not taking a line

(38:27):
on quite so much as he was, and that means
that everybody else is a step behind in the attack.
So it was probably the right I.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Think that dared back to before he was signed. Further
rabbit Ale, though, I think dared back to the injury
and the appointment of the current gorger I think is
a very conservative tactician.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Let's say, well, which is unusual when you can sue
the way you used to play.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
But I think he's just got decided. As well as
this is that he's seen what's happened with the wolf
and well, how well that's words and he's philosophy is
it ain't broke, we don't fix it, and now they
let's find a way to fix it because it is broke.
He's struggling a bit for ideas, and that they've got
players out isn't helping. But back to the Wigan game,
I was quite encouraged by that performance, is right, it

(39:14):
was going to be better than Cast because of his
arm and because we'd had that performance and everybody had
gone mad and got even got slated, so there's always
going to be a response of some sort. But I
just thought that, you know, with a few different decisions
or a few pounces of the ball going through the way,
we could have knit that game. And that's a world

(39:34):
away from losing home to Cast and then go and
we're not wigging. That would have been you know, amazing,
but it wasn't to be in the end. But I
was encouraged by it. But as well as we'll see
it was a bit of a false down.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I think the two sets of fans that I think
the Saints fans went so home happier than the Wigan
fans would have because we had a lot more injuries. Yeah,
I know they had the two star men out, but
Wigan can't seem to play without them, you know, they can't.
They're not that in clinical without both of them on
the field. But going back to Saints, you know, we

(40:06):
had a lot of young kids come into this, like
Harry Robson. I think that was his first game. You know,
I think Noah Stevens did the start that started. I
think I can't quite remember. But you know, you've got
the likes of Ben Davis who played, and for me,
Ben Davis he made a lot of errors and he's
probably one of the more.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Senior game changes in touch with the gig the one.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
But that's but that for me, that that's the fine
margin between probably Wellens keeping his job and and you
know that that's what I keep on coming back to
all the time. It's them individual things of that's what
winds you the games, and that's what loses you the games.
Think I'm not I'm not blaming, blaming Davis for the

(40:51):
whole game. But I'm just you know, that particular moment
seemed to be a turning point for us losing that game.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, okay, it was Stevens came off the bench for
for in that game.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
They played prop as a party Props and Les Delny.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
It was Delaney and Les started on the bench a
crowd of twenty thousand.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
You're considering sort of scel on a bit of a
I suppose a wobble from the game before and ironically
penalty account was what was it a halftime? It was
six all and then in total it was I think
it was nine point nine to six something like that.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
And that doesn't include six agains. No, no, so because
I can remember they were all penalties. That's right, the
penalty count would be bigger than it.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
What is there? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, but there the little bits and bobs are creeping
like he was saying stuff that some stuff that Davis's done,
whacker Blake have done you and you're thinking.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, what you do? You're whack of Blake contributed to
the next game, come to that in the second. But
there were some green shoots there, aren't they? In that
wigand game.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Certainly the weekend game, I thought so, yeah, but we
sort of regrets them again after that.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
So I think if I think if it would have
won against Wigan, I think it would have probably give
us that bit of confidence. Yeah, but the fact that
we lost were then going into training again heads down.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah play Warrington.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
That were really good Warrington. And then that was the
seven days later and Saints ten Warrington twenty four. But
that's not the story of the game. Really. The story
of the game was Harrison. Harrison got himself sent off
after twelve minar love weren't they think they scored two

(42:48):
early tries with the I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
To remember it. I'm thinking at the time, I thought, yeah,
that is a red card. I want no issues with that.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Really. Yeah, look, it looked like it looks straight away
looked on to me and I think.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Contact with the head, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And yeah, shoulders their even if it's again if he
got up and carried on. Yeah, that for me, when
I first saw it, I thought, what's that about? Or nothing?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
When it showed you a couple of times and it
shouldered just to shoulder to the I think that as
he's coming and he's his shoulders coming as they and
sometimes you think, I know it's wrong, but you think
sometimes is not? Should there not be something worse? If
it's intentional, well you're going into somebody, then enough the

(43:34):
penalty should be worse.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I think that's the thing that they can't. They can't
differentiate between intentional and non intentionally in those issues, can they.
I don't know that swinging arm.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
If it's unintentional, I think they're still got a problem
because they want to get away from the idea that
if you play this game, that's going to happen to
you unintentionally. Because the lawsuits and all that sort of stuff,
that's the legal stuff that's that's pending. I think the
people who run the gate trying to well that's basically
clean it up.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
That's going to get deep enough, isn't it with the
thing coming out this week?

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, But that game was that wasn't It was a
bad start, but it wasn't a low point because they
went down to their twelve men and then we pulled
a couple of tries back. I think it was Samuel
came on on a party scored just after half time
with about forty seven var looks at it and then

(44:34):
Royal got one to ten twelve, back to ten twelve
and then I can't quite recall we've got simbind for Warrington.
Then it was construction. Yeah, and they were down to
eleven at that point, so.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
That there, you know, we've just scored, gone down. It
was a fan You're thinking, we've got this, We've got this,
We've we've got this game. And the most disappointing thing
was after we scored, they went down the other end
and they scored and I'm thinking what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
What are we doing? And then we were against eleven
men for ten minutes. We didn't change anything. Now we
carried on exactly the same process or what is he
and Watson? We say, follow the leading process. He's got
sat down the job. But even like the six seven

(45:28):
year old kids sat on the side of the pitch
watch it would have been thinking, oh, we're know how
to play like against you know, a team with one
man two men down? Why but we've got enough players
on there. Yeah, it's like with experience to sort it out.
But we didn't say the Frightings have just pushed the
ball wide? Are they.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Waiting for it to happen.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, I think it's commitment from players as well as
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Wonger Blake
got the ball and he could have scored, and he
got he got held up, didn't he or did.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
He stepped back inturde and got tackled it. Yeah, the
offload like a bit of a panic thing.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
And yeah, but it's just like you do.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I mean, yeah, you know, but that the commitment again
for the players. You've you've got to see the eleven
men in front of you, know that you've got thirteen
on your side and just throw that ball round, take
that defense one way or the other, yeah, and then strike.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
But there was nothing.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
There was no gardens, there was nothing coming from him.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
And but teams do that against us. They do when
we've got thirty and scored against us.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
When when when you lose a man, you either see
the famine or face isn't it you galvanized? Or it's
like every time we lose one, we're like heads down.
Every time another team lose one, it's like the galvanized,
come on, we'll have this.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I don't know. And the capital that last try lewis
Dodd's tiny shoelaces and Williams on straight through the gap
and he's not even looking he was coming that just
I was that was in front, right in front of me, stupefied,
like the whole thing, what is going on here? That
was just insane. And that was that that was almost
a low point. The low point was not scoring against

(47:15):
eleven men for me. Yeah, And I thought, well, I
thought that was going to be a low point intu
lie till the next game. But there's there's things like
that creeping in which foremost unforgiven.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think that the black thing was against.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Was it that We'll come to that in the next one, Yeah,
because that was but.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
There was a master class in how not to play
against twelve or eleven men.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeahahah, I mean, I mean you it's got to be
said Onenga Blair for all this stuff he's done. I
think if you watch them against London and he was
going in and diving in, you know, so or of
doing spectacle when he didn't need to, and there was
a gap that you could have got three Sincellion's double
decker busses through and he just didn't know. Rather than
just saying right, I'm going for that corner. This guy's
not going to get no, I'll.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Cut back inside. Why get around your man? Get in
then if you can track, if you can narrow the
anger enough, but at least getting over and get the
points first. Anyway, just when we thought we couldn't get
any worse, we go to Lee where we we have
a history of being frightened by the atmosphere there, don't we.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
But we lost her last year. As I recalled, I've
watched that game because I was in hospital at that time.
I watched the game on Saints TV that game, and
we were we were like camped out and there half
nearly the entire game. But lack of attacking ideas meant
we didn't score any points. And so when they got
some ball, they had some strike players like Charlie and
I and whatnot, the God a couple of dries and

(48:37):
beat us. This is a different callow face. There's a demolition.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Let's put that. Let's put the facts to leave. Forty
six Saints four. One try was from Ben Davis, which
was from a really good run from Robinson. Really he
picked a ball up and as well well ware to kick, yeah,
well way to kick. But we can see the eight
tries two to just Charlie and Moil and lam O'donald

(49:00):
McIntosh amone and Handley and got all right hammering forty
six four. But Johnny long Wat's got himself simbind and
a subsequent three match ban, and Percy got himself for
symbin with a subject one match band which is which
is now said, but again two stupid tackles again coming

(49:21):
back to the point, and he's an earlier discipline falling apart,
composure gone and the face of a leon slaught. I
mean that, No, Lee don't beat anybody forty six four?

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Did they not last year?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Forty six four?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Like I said before, we went down to twelve men.
When Percy went off, first thing they did the flood
gates open. Oh yeah, the four gates absolutely open. We
look clueless again. I come back to Wonga Blake. He
was on his own and I don't know whether that
was his fault or the because he's missing person, I
don't know. You know, we couldn't quite see the defensive line, but.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
He just.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
The floor gates just opened and it was just hard watch.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
But again in that one was it was it twelve nil?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
And then.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
He didn't score when he should have done, and then
he went down together under my mid eighteen though possibly.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I was in the first half, was the first half.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
It was a headshaker that could have so I think
I think it might have been about twenty when when
we were down at the it made a difference. There
was a big difference. But at that game, at that's
time the game, you're thinking, okay, Leah struggling a bit here.
Now we're getting a bit of momentum. If we could
have scored there, I think it might have been, you know,

(50:39):
a bit better.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
But you can't blame the coach for that. You can play.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
But the biggest thing is with that the players didn't
look interested. They did not look interested.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
That's what I was referring to when it like school kids,
you know what I mean. And that's been disrespectful to
skill kids.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Honestly. They just.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
You know, you're watching the game, you're thinking, where's our
team gone, where's our you know, camaraderie gone. You know,
obviously low Max went off and he's a captain. I
think I can't remember who steps up because I think
Morgan Knowles was still off the field then, wasn't he.
So I can't remember who steps up to captain, but
there's just no guidance. There was no like, come on, lads,

(51:21):
let's get this together.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
And and well has been gone off after five minutes unfortunately. Yeah,
which is I think he's out for the season now.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
They're in about eight weeks which we're getting back from
maybe the last game of the season, but will have
been from to play for it anyway at that point,
so could.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I think it's been a perfect storm the last the
last six weeks. But we were top of the league
two months ago, which is you know, quite a fall.
But to be fun, we've said it's been on top
of that league. So any club was two or three
matches would.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
After the beats it start they've won the legal leader.
Next minute, these two games, okay, top you know, so
you can all.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I was listening to the five Live Rugby League podcast
with Tenyre Arnold and Kevin Brown and do an interview
in Chrys Radlinsky, which it's a very good interview actually,
and he was on about Wigan and he was saying
about you know what, you know, we've just said we've
got x amounts of you know, the four trophies and everything.
He Alwa says, we've just lost two games on the bounce,

(52:30):
he said, and everybody's on our backs, all the wigners,
they said, And that's how it is as a time,
that's the what is the expectation And it's exactly the
same exact. Yeah, And listening to him is very very good.
And he was talking about obviously the the USA stuff
and all that as well. So as much as I'm

(52:50):
not a king love at the BBC, I would say
give it a lesten because he's it was good.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Okay, so forty six four? Still, can I just.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Say from a League Express point of view, in a
couple of those matches, the actual player of the match
in one was No Stevens and in that match it
was for saying it was Abby Robertson.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
So it just shows you when today have one for
each side regards to the result, one for each side
because we didn't have to play the batch, give it
on one from each side.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
But but that shows that out of all the you know,
sort of experienced inverted comments players that are on that pitch.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know, but doesn't it doesn't doesn't it also show
you that you can't just stick Jack Wellsby on the
halves and think it'll all change. It won't because because
it's we work to a system system system. Nobody seems
to be allowed to play what's in front of.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
No disrespect of Robertson, but I think we've lost the
port and Sibi well's be going in the ARBs. I
think it was much better fall back, and I would
I would have kept in there and try and juddle
things round.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I mean, Harry Robinson will probably play the rest of
the season now, as long as you don't get injured
at fullback for me Lee. He was one of the
positives along with our starwarts in making some Yeah, never
never takes a backward step, and Percy as well. You know,
then then.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
The Suntimes person needs to about sometimes.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Apart from the simbing, I think he came back on
and he really tried his damn this to to get
the team back on track, but obviously wasn't to be.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
But not really, I've never got to a point where
I've not thought that I aren't trying. Yeah, I always
think that they just can't work like this. It doesn't
work what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
No, but that's courging. Yeah, together, we need to different
because it is not working anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, because that league, I mean unstructured into what they were. Yeah,
but what do you what do you make of that?
When they keep panning to our coaching box and there's
there's eighty or seven in there. I'm all sitting there,
nobody so into each other.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
If you've got there, So you've got Wellens, you've got
phrasing you one side, Mattis Smith, you've got train training.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
So the other guy whose name I can't remember, Mike
hanging around in the back, I must have met. I
don't like that.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I wouldn't like my CEO hanging over my shoulders. Why
things weren't going so well? And I know when away
games that doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
But I mean we have got Peter and lou Li
and the guy with it on his computer, and Leeds
have got they they had Roman Smith and think swim
guy and Brad Arthur.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Do you see John Wells on the guy marvel at
the fact they had computers. That was a real lot
of life made that one. He's got his computers and yeah,
you know it's twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
John in then when he was going moved on.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
It's so cringe. We had it two weeks on the
bounce they did at Wigan. Then they have the Sam Burger.
If you notice with Sam Burgers at the end of
the game, obviously Wellens is having a torrid time him.
You know, he's just suffered his third defeat on the bounce.

(56:21):
He's going to console the fans, console the players, whatever
he's going to do, and Sam burds on Mite just
for Sky, goes over to him. We'll have a coffee.
Paul beat me up for a coffee and it's just
what you want about.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Me, Like.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I have this thing about birds because I have got
this thing that he's not a coach, he's just it's
just something.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
At Lance and it's adspirer Paul the category possibly you
know an ex player who has done not a lord
in the game, but isn't necessarily the best.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Well I think I think. I think the tying everything
together to Warrington is Richard Marshall. I agree with the
one hundred percent snake.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
It's mart and Gazon what a player he was so
he had that bet that best.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, cal is it, Fitzpatrick. We've all got our haven't we?
Maybe maybe our when we maybe Mike Rush needs a he.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Or he just needs wolf his head instead of a trophy.
The trophy CAVI don't know whether anyone saw that when
they interviewed that Fitzpatrick at Warrington and he sat behind
the Warrington trophy cabin. Oh you can see is wolf is.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Ninety or fifty five?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
One of the that's not wind hi up because he
might go down.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Might be the yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Big look.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
The miked up and birds.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
If we do with YouTube view will just.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Be like more like Yorkshire mumble.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Your lad, I love your lad for me.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
What what our found strange was when war Inston scored
He's going to Yorkshire.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Warrington fans were doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
All right, well let's bring it round with we've, we've, we've,
we've stopped the tide for it for a second. We
went up to Hall on Saturday and came away with
a forty six six win, a couple of studies. You
do that you're not stopping the tider all, A couple
of beds Parsy Clark, a couple of dogs making some

(58:57):
and six goals from Tommy with a constantly try from Walker. Well,
thank god for that, because I dread to think what
it would be like on Thursday if we've gone to
Hold and lost, but a digs and performance poor whole team.
I think they've given up on It's a good it's
a good job London in the in the division.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
But surprised me that though, because they've been better until
that game they've ad the results have been a lot
closer and they won a couple of games a bit
wigging and a bit leads. So I was expected to.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Be expecting a tough game.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
It's quite easy on the well.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I think we have three bodies back because I think
Whitley played bashly came back and so we've got a
bit of strand up in the middle and that proved that.
That proved the key because we made all the breaks
through the middle.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
And also really good signing out by the Saints fans.
Yeah you know, another good following down across.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Across across hear him. Yeah, yeah, no problem. Yeah, I
think the whole fans were just sitting in the sun drinking.
I'll tell you what. It's jumped at it because it
was the atmosphere was gone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
It was nine hundred, which considering that there's that many
Saints frans, you would have at least double you know,
been in double figures.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
And any ground that big as well, it looks even worse.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I think the rest of them were in the middle,
middle of the town.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Greggs, Oh my god, the game's going in there. Don't
mind boggles about those people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
If you come into the game, don't go into the
city center. We've what's the best expression. We've put a
halt on the record breaking defeat run. But we thought
July was going to be tough. August is shaping up
even or very similar if you look the fixtures upcoming

(01:00:50):
Chaps obviously again magic. Yeah, we've got Soul for next
at home on Thursday, which is a must win for me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
All I think, Yeah, the playoffs together, we and the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
End of the month got a gripe about okay are
Originally it was on a Friday, Saturday, Saturday. I've got
tickets and everything, got the relatives over, got seats, books
and everything. Or now we moved and moved on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
So it's happened to the SOLFA game should have been
next Saturday today. And you know, we were in the
same situation where we had some relatives who were coming
up from Milton Keynes and the booked hotels were coming
up for the weekend, the book tickets, going to have
a weekend with the family. All of a sudden, we're moving.

(01:01:45):
It's Thursday, and it's you know, it does you people
to people look at the fictional lists and in especially
for Saturday games, you know, and you know you can
Friday night and Thursday night not much different.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But you know it's it's it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
The old problem. It the broadcast. You know, they're paying,
they're paying the paper, so they all gene.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, every single game has got some importance on it.
Don't get me wrong. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm
not saying that they're all and that the castle for
games didn't have importance on them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
But I think the ones work. Like I said, I
suppose a certain degree you could have said this is
you know, this could be a banker for us. I
think all of them now there's there's jeopardy because because
if you can knock them off one by one, that's
when you're going to pull yourself up into those.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Solve it on Thursday solfing in fourth, So you know
there's going to be they're going to be looking to
make that gap between those and then bigger we're going
to be looking to bridge that gap and keep leads
away from knocking.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
On the door towards getting by London helped.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
That massively out. The biggest thing with us at the
moments are points difference is a lot. It's one of
the if we were, you know, we were the top
will probably the top one points different.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Still like one of the best defenses in the league, says.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
All for Red Devils, what do you think there are
points differences?

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I think it's not quite even because they they will
tent the ship as many points as he's going on
about plus twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I think the minus yeah, the minus five, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Minus point different in the fifth yeah, four four fourth, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
I don't know what it says, but it says something
about the league, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
But it's exciting to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
But that's certainly that. Yeah, I think it will be.
I think it would be a good game on Thursday. Yeah,
the handy side and yeah, yeah, it won't be boring
like you know and off driving a kick fest.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Do not find a coming in SA I think laugh
I has got himself banned. I think he's got a
match banned.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
He certainly got himself simp in the game On says
the match, I think, well help us because he's a threat.
He's a really good player.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
But I think he missed the last game I think
game and still be.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
One of their players. Yeah, well I'm a good side
if we're not on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
There again, absolutely absolutely, and I think we've got we're
going after that that magic which is they'll probably have
Field and French back, so we're going to have to be.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
I think we have to feel is a back he
played against Field, but French, I'm not sure about him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I don't know, but I think if we hadn't gone
to hold one, I think we're doing a probably bit
of a bigger, massive hole and do not the thing
though It's like we were on about London and Castlelanda
and London doing forever. There's still the same points.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
If French doesn't play against us against when when we
play Wigan I can see us having a go at
Wigan again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Well if we've got a few back, yeah we will
know because we.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
All have a few, you know, So we are going
to be better than when we played him at their place.
And for me, French for them is a massive mess. Sorry,
well both of them, but French certainly is is a
massive is a bit more creative bsity the field you can,
you know, give and take, but when they're both on
the field, you've got two threats.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
And Harry Smith can't be anywhere as bad as he
was other field that was. Wasn't he an absolute The
other threat I think from bigging from us so you
mentioned is Leam Marshall. He's rapid and they made a
huge amount of ground on that left edge against us.
He didn't end up scoring, but he was all over
us for half an hour, kept making like thirty meter

(01:05:28):
breaks and then making bad just making bad decisions. So
they didn't go. But he's a big threat and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
They've got that young lad with him. I mean, he's
sort of don't him over there as Robertson's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Done, although he didn't play any sort of field and
they brought field back and dropped him, which is a
bit unfortunate, but I guess player like field, that's just
what you're doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
But it isn't any easier because after that we've got
a whole k are at home and they just gave
Warrington the right scene two the other nights.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I wouldn't back us to beat up at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
No, they've got that I consider the best player in
the league at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
The Yeah, it depends on I don't know how many
games we've got after that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
So we've got left, We've got whole then we've got
the Giants away, Whining away and Cast at home to
finish off. Again, that's worked.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
We've got we've got six six games, not seven.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
We've got the table up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Played twenty so have seven then another one must be
another one. Sorry, I have a quick look. Stinks. I
thought thirteenth September. Then it's playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Seven games left though I was I was just going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
To say with the with the OKR game, it depended
on where we are and how comfortable or uncomfortable we
are in the top six, because ultimately I can't see
us pushing anywhere more than sort of fourth at the minute,
the way the way they're playing. So if it gives
Whole k Are a chance of winning the League Leaders
Shield over Wigan, quite happily throw that game. Yeah, quite

(01:07:05):
happily sit and have a pint and watch Whole k
R trounce us if it means them winning the legally
the shield, because it's one less trophy cabinet over that
belling lump they.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Can stop talking about therefore in the role then Yeah,
what concerns me about Okay and Saltford is that the
way the Bubles teams play tailor maks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
You know, from a rugby league fan point of view,
wouldn't it be great if they both think grand Final?

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
It would be a great watch. Yeah, that would be
a great watch, it would I can't see it, to
be fair, I can't be a great watch because they'll
probably one or both of we're going to warrant and
will be there and then maybe all or assaulted might
be up against them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
But yeah, I can't see. I can't see past wigging
wire or.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Working for Yeah, they didn't wanting to lose to the Days,
so they could be coming at the end of the scene.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
It always you know, Warrington, the beat Saints, the beat Wigan.
They've won the league. That's the season over. Let's go
on holiday. I'm going a minute, okay right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
It's funny because I was going into Warrington Town Center
at the time when real we're doing a bit of shopping.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Was it was late on? So you got the law?
Is it? The Lord Rodney and the put all the
pubs under outside ship giving it live and as as
we pulled in a little bit further down going to
the range in wanting to and as we're cutting on
these back roads all the old calf that thing is
a part third part out of the way, Why dad, Because.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
The Glacy might be having a good job over the weekends.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Out with his bricks during the match. Well, okay, so
another testing month for us coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Which which is good in a way because I think
it will put them on the metal and you know,
will drop the guard down. I'm not seeing the win,
but I think that, oh yes, for his efforts a
couple of those games, like we said, you look thinking
and god, lads, what's what's what's happening here?

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
You know? I don't it's like of effort I think before.
I think they try hard, they come off, but they
does not. The lack of equality, lack of tactical ability,
and now it's really that causes the issue.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Lack of quality I think in certain areas.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Yeah, it's like quality and stupidity. Sometimes there is just
what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I think they should have a look at the
c VS and you seeing that person. That's the word st.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
But most of them had one four on the bound
so they need to they just need to use this
some what they've learned or think about what's going on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
We've still got the Nicholas of those that strong team
together bought. The problem, I think is it's all it's
glowing all together well and we need to kind of
we're not refreshed and refresh it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I mean, sorry, we're not refreshed, but in a plan
we had to refresh because of exampled injuries, et cetera.
We've not had a rolling plan to refresh it. And
we've given extended contracts to thirty plus players, which is
you can argue whether you should be given the loyalty
or you should be.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Two year contracts to lor Max and to worms.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
I think that's, you know, because it didn't what happened
with Lockland Coot the two years ago. Wouldn't give him
two years. Now they're giving them way given two years
to low maxims. The philosophy is change there somewhat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah, I think we I think somebody hasn't looked at
the age range of the squad because we've got a
load of thirty pluses and a load of twenty one minuses.
There's nothing, there's nothing in between, and that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Seeing it's like saying, we've got these two youngsters coming
through and the lads who don't come through. You know,
we've said they've they've done well. But if you remember
the last month that I was saying, surely some of
these have, bitch, should have been grip feding a little
bit better throughout the season.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
I prefer that to see players getting fed in one
or two at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I don't like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
I don't like it when he plays a full team
of like academy or reserve players and we get beat
by thirty points at CASS.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
I don't see what the point of that is. Really,
no point that I don't. I don't get that. But
one or two, you know, fed into us, wrong team,
I think that helps them easier.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. Okay, so one of the
tough month. But before we go, I just like to
mention the news of Josh Jones this week diagnosed with
brain injury. I think it's called chronic, dramatic and kept apathy,
which is basically injuries to the brain from constance physical Yeah,

(01:11:56):
it's thirsty one and I don't think they come back.
I don't think you come back from this thirty one.
That's the treatment you can have for it. But it
doesn't that's some the effect of it. But our best
wishes to Josh and his family.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Think inveribly sad, but invertibly leads to dementia, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
So and when you're looking at that, wish him that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
All the best.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
And when you're looking at that, and consider what position
he's playing, because he played centence for starting and you're
looking at Perceval personal players exactly the same sort.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Every week.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Yeah, because the way we play well, we use our centers,
you know, we use our centers and wingers as back
and then earlier tackle counter and they must take the
right handers. So you'll be concerned about the you know,
well being Perceval that's been taking out the team a
couple of times because.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Issues.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Josh Jones was was probably part of the teams that
they never used to do that, you know, he just
stay yeah, yeah sort of thing. But he was always
a physical player, wasn't he, you know, in defense and attack. Obviously,
I wish him all the best because he's you know,
he's fond memories of of what he did for Saints

(01:13:13):
and other teams as well. A really good player. But
it comes down to even like when we talk about
this year, we've mentioned like the you know, the head
injuries and the protocols that have come in, and it's
still inconsistent. You know, you've still got players who are

(01:13:33):
getting the reads taken off and nothing's done. For instance,
looking at the league game, our one and only try,
Ben Davis goes down, he scores a try charingly, he
did not have to go over the top of him, wraps,
wraps his arm round his head. Because Ben Davis has
scored that try, nothing said, because Saints have got skit

(01:13:56):
six six points on the board. But you know that
for me, that should have been a symbin. It should
have been a point, it should have been an eight point,
it should have been something. But nothing was mentioned. He
didn't get pulled up in the disciplineary match review panel,
whatever you want to call it. So again, the everyone
can see that. You know, I think I think we

(01:14:16):
need to move to all or nothing on heads.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
It's got to be it has to be no mitigation,
no nothing, and it'll soon sort people players out for tackling, because.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
I mean that that is a prime example. It only
happened last week, you know, but nothing said about that.
But then you know someone.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Half a dozen instances in every game you watch across,
whether whether there's a clear head one somebody to get SimBin,
somebody doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Yeah, before it lars, it often comes down. So does
that player stay down long enough to be reviewed? And
if they do and a card comes out. If they don't,
the game carries on and it gets forgot the back
it might get. It might get pulled up in the
review and on the Monday and a band might be
handed out. But sometimes like the chant, the channel, the gears,
it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Well, you know, you could argue, yeah, if you're playing
you've got to knock around the head, then stay down
because you're then going to get a penalty. And you
know what I'd also like to see is if you
are trying to like fudge your penalty, if you like,
then get a card the other way back. I don't
know how to do that. I don't know how.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
What plar acting is, especially rugby word. It's not correct.
The players aren't really you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Know, you know, I can't believe we're saying this on
a podcast Rugby league that you want the players to
stay down because we're talking about like football, like that's
what they do at the end of the day, what
you do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Because unless they can be more consistent on the rule,
they've got to be consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
You've got to like force their hand.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
And if by going down, the fans get up, everyone
going mental, and then you know, all of a sudden,
the referee is feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Because what they call it got I suppose it's comment
saying how to context Wilkins. A lot of these don't
need to take out of content. But he was saying
about somebody going down. I mean basically they felt that
he was having a dig for him going down, and

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he was saying, no, I'm not saying he should go down.
What I'm saying is in this day and age, you know,
it's probably better in some respects because like we've just
been saying, you know, you're then forcing the end. But
that rules should should for me, it should make any difference.
It should be if somebody saw that all the all
the games have been viewed, so if a referee seeing

(01:16:32):
that off the camera, there's no reason why certainly when
there's on the next title, he can't say.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Something video reference, the game just said whatever, the game
that was in the NFL doesn't. It doesn't the football man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
So that that, for me is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Everything in this game from a referee point of view.
You know, from the laws, all we ever asked for
his consistency, and that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
There we don't. But sometimes the consistency is backing the
referee up on decisions. There was a couple of the
weekend it was a clear try or wasn't a tribe,
but the decision went to back the referee up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
But that's a problem problem with the rules, isn't that,
Because if you can't find evidence that it is totally convincing,
you have to back what referee says. So essentially he's
asked in the first place, he's asked to guess sometimes
what he thinks it is, and if you can't find
any evidence to the contrary, then the call stands. And
often that's not right. But show the world title, by

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the way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Yeah, it shows the communication. Though, So if if you
can simply say you have to let this play go,
but you're going back for a for a late or
head shots he should do it. Don't let me play on,
don't let it play on. Let let the play stop
stop go back. Yeah, I mean if it means, you know,
we don't leave the stadiumntil five to ten. You know what.

(01:17:54):
Now we've got the we've got the technology to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
But it does, doesn't it if if the referee sees
it and he might let player go on and if
there's no advantage then except right, So he's doing that
in a way. So if the fact that somebody else
sees it and then you know you need to sort
this short this maybe I died tackle or whatever, then

(01:18:18):
you know it's not something that's unusual and would be new.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
So it can be done. Yeah, of course it can
be done. It's like it's like, why can't you do
forward passages when you can do offside? There's there's there's
too there's too many problems in now again that needs sorting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Amounts of times I shout up referee. So there's some
passes and you think and there he got.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
The loads of physics said that backwards. The best one
of sort of face the heather. It was iku I
think for Warrington, he was facing his home posts and
he passed it and the past did go backwards, but
because he was facing his own posts, obviously it went forward.

(01:18:59):
On the phone. You know what the amounts of times
I've seen that happen, and we're players, you know, the
Lands might would have done it, but because the first
in their own horse hands have gone forward. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
And so it's from the shaping of the pass of
how your pass. Salford crazy for it and very.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Really get paid.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
I think Steve O used to call the momentum rule.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
You know, yeah, and on running it's not a forward
pass and the forward pass when he passes it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
I just think it depended what team was playing when
Steve called the momentum room.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
And yet if you drop it, you don't catch it.
It's always and not on. Yes, there's one in the
Leads game at the weekend. It went about twenty yards backwards.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
On when is it ever not a knock on?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
That's not on yet? Yeah, just if you dropped the ball,
it's knock on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
And then you watch Union they're slapping it around and
they were referge not to thee.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Don't see you. Ah right. We'll winding up there for
a August.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Any thoughts on recruitment. Have we done that badly?

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Well, no, we can crack on. Yeah, I thought we
decided we were.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Just a few thoughts. Well, I just think we need
at least one center, a winger, half back, and possibly
a prop. That's quite a long list for one off season,
isn't it. We've got any names now then, well Sailor
would would kind of fill one gap there. But yeah,
I mean the other thing that fans don't consider when
they talk about recruitment is we largely don't know who's

(01:20:31):
the bel We think we can get the olders. We
can go to another club and go right. It is
if you under grand we have that play. We can't
do that anymore. It's going to be out of contract
player who wants to come and that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
It's the same thing stupid asking for the coach's head,
asking for the coach's head. Are you going to get
it was coming in from Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
That's where I think it should strengthen. H you've got
any other thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Well, we're gonna you have to leaving dogs go in
making some going Metalnity might be going Conrad, there's two centers,
two centers and winger gone.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
If we don't recruit a center. I wouldn't think I'd
be totally comfortable with either Davis or Nay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
His contracts up as his Royals contract. So I think
I said last last month. But if we resigned them
to players, for me, that's our next sort of five
year plan, and that for me, that's not I like
him the local lads, but they're not our starting They're
not and that's how that's going to be our battle

(01:21:29):
plan for the next five years. If if we resigned
them two players, I.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Think you're right. I think if Davis goes saying Twitter
explode because he's not popular, is he time he gets
picked to get get slaterd.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
He's obviously trying his hardist's superstar, never going to be
a superstar, but he's a good squad player.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
But we've we've always wanted centers for about the last
four years, haven't we, And we've ended up with Connie
who came and to be part time at second row
originally and ended up as first shower without the god
as one wonger. Blake came in. He was a winger
slash center who's never really got any games at center,
and when he plays at center, he might as well

(01:22:11):
put a turnstile there, and after that was down to kids.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
But like Davis reminds me a bit of like a
Christine that used to play, and he went, Davis will
have a very very good career with somebody like witness,
you know, if he took like Christine sort of path,
if you like. But we we just we said at
the beginning to show we just do not as fans.
We've we've not got any idea of what's going on.

(01:22:36):
And like you just said, then stay you're probably five
at least, you know, center, second row, well not second
row sorry, half backing, prop winger. You know, i'd say
two props I think.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Because play a full season ever again, so you've only
got two young lads though in Stevens and the Learney
really and and then after that it's just we you
prop your your top one proper leaves.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
That is a frightening thing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Is it's decent, but he's not. It's not a wrecking ball.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
There's no rumors. There's one one room about Tristan mh.
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
And obviously our lacklin Land was mentioned as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Just going because apparently the next few days is going
to be announced word he's going to move to So
do you know what that That wouldn't surprise me at
all if you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
At all. Well, he's got he's got he's got a
kicking game.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
It's better than what we've got, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
He might be nice, he might be a nice he.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Might get intobout him at half back. At the moment, Adrian, this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Is we've got problems. We've got some problems. We need
to start because we can't just simply go put these
reserve lads straight in now. You can't put six labs
from your reserves and your squad. And I hope to
do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Next year, but again we you know, we can't get
to the end of the season. And then suddenly decided
to do all our business when all the other teams
from the players who they want, we already know the business.
You know who's going where and what's happening. And then
all of a sudden Saints again said it before signed
Wonga Blake and where everyone's like, who's he? And then

(01:24:26):
I'm still saying who's he? What's he doing in the
SAT shirts?

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
I mean, would we be saying the same about Tristan
sla If His dad wasn't too. It was.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
I've heard mixture reviews. I've heard his good, good prospects,
but not quite not quite there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
So he.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Could be like a Jackson Easton's could come over and
absolutely fly, but then he'll only be two seasons and
then be back getting concept.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
But the thing is, I agree with you, but if
you don't play I game, were you black paste? And
I think I mean Ritzen's the classic said.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Oh he did this, and when he's playing for a
barrel and the championship is it's never had a.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Sniff because we have come back inside all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
That's about it. Played on the wing for saying it's
pretty thankless, don't get you don't get much ball. When
you do get the ball, it's usually your quarter with
three in your head.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
And if you get the ball in the attack, you're
normally on the line. Yeah, because there's no space being
made inside belief.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
We all know that there's money there to signed players,
with the players that we've got coming to an end
of the contract or leaving us. And also this stat
that keeps on coming up that sky. Maybe there's no
truth in that, and we are spending more. But when
we're on the level of like Uddersfield and Salford and
teams like that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Hmmm, if the if the traditional heavyweight that's are rebobbles
in that regard, we can't hope to bridge that gap,
right can't?

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
No? No, I mean that the answer has been to
bring our own through and it's worked extent.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
To an extent. But yeah, well you look at for me,
it's too heavy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
But you look at you look at Wearnington's squad and
to a certain extent leads quite an. I mean they've
got some players on the roster there do they do that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
But look look at Wigan season. Wig in the season
got two teams and they've been able to play the
first team win win some big games. But then they've
been able to just filter them young lads like Echoesley,
Like we said, just filter them through and give them
a sniff of what it's like to be in the
first team around and winning culture. Yeah, you know we're

(01:26:41):
where we have not done that. We've not filtered the
kids in when it when we should have against London
or you know, the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Team we should have been finishing the kids and when
we were winning four in a row, possibly, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
And it's different for them being brought in that in
the situation right now where it's like it's the needed
it's a crisy Yeah, the shoulders and if we're playing
well and the mistakes maybe aren't you know, magnified so much.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Well, hopefully next month some rumors.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Fingers grass, There'll always be rumors. Get on next and
Twitter and make some rumors and we'll discuss the next
next time. We'll take your point. It will recruit. It's
always a question. But we have no answers every we
we know what we want, but we can't get it,
so any other business. Yeah, just won't think it's a bit,

(01:27:32):
a bit of a sad thing. Really.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
It is obviously the passing the bill Arthur, Yeah, which
was I mean it was a shot on I knew
he hadn't been well for a long time with prostate cancer.
But obviously the other guys and the way things have
changed with Sky, Yeah, certainly, I thought just not giving
him as much commentary as.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
As because they brought all the I just thought it
was a thing and bringing all the lad lads in
because of the all the game has been common thought.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
It was because they brought new people and like the
dead Woods and that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, but it was a noticeable miss because a lot
more hate him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
He was he was, he was one of the voices
and do you know that the stuff that he's he's
done from a community point of work views there's a
called Bass and Bulldogs which is from Nottingham which apparently
they went over to cattle and for Cattalan game from
forget who Catalan were playing, but the lads have gone

(01:28:29):
over obviously the old jolly day also whatever, and they
bumped into him and got talking to him and have
here and he said, oh well, we'll get you on
the pitch at the beginning and and they'd askin, would
you know, come down and support because they knew he
lived around word he was and that was about fifteen
years ago, and he supported him to the hills, absolutely

(01:28:51):
did loads of them. And you know you've got to
take your ass off to something like supporting it. You know,
he could have even turned around and said he blah
blah blah, off you go and you know, think nothing
of it after that, but it didn't and you know,
it wasn't told in the biggest scheme of things, and
it is so condolences.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Absolutely absolutely okay, So we'll be back in four weeks time.
I wonder what mood will be in four weeks time.
It might be.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
What is it wigging?

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Okay are and before we meet again it's Alford, Wigan, ook,
ares Field away and possibly are Away.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
I just feel the way went that on. Well, they diabolical.
They they're really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Well they were good against Wigan for for fifty minutes,
for about.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Half again they were and then they got and then
they got overwhelmed and they.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I've already been field once this season, so well that
was that was. I might might miss the other stupid
fixed a tough tough month.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Yeah, time I went to Wardersfield, it's for the last
of the summer wine, so.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Nothing much.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
The last time we went to run out of drink
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
Yeah, Premier leagu football at the time. But no water.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Can't tell you brew not water.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Freezing cold you want to be you don't want to move.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Apparently the top that water.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
If you have enough, if you have enough beer, it
will warm you up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
P eventually you forget your cold. Yeah, one of the two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Yeah, in the depth of some of that stand they've got.
He's always freezing. Absolutely, it's cold year.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
We went to February Seas.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Yeah, it was cold. I was amazed the game was on,
to be honest, it was that gold. Anyway, we'll be
back in a month and hopefully we'll be in a
better mood. So well, we'll see you then. Thanks to
see Darren and again.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Come on n Seoan in the corner jumping you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Lock a ch chick, it's going to the screen.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
What she going for?

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Ary, He's trying to keep the scord out