That Saints Pod 2024 Episode 8

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, and welcome to the September edition of That Saints Podcast.
I'm Green Cunliffe, and with me this week is Steve
Beach on the buttons. Hello, State, I'm good. Paul Rigby's
with us. I've got your name right. This month, Steve
Offer's with us as usual. Steve, I'm good, I'm Gas.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Tills his back.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
How are you mate, I'm good? Right, great, great? Well,
where lit need a colt? Well, here we go, Here
we go September. We're going to discuss Saints' performances in
August and have a look at what's coming through in September.
So we'll be discussing the Saints for about an hour
and ten minutes. But for to do that, the first

(00:48):
twenty minutes you're going to be taken up by Steve
Thomas or about the NFL new season. Darren's going to
be talking about carpentry for us, and Gas is talking
about living in Spain for six weeks. And we might
get around to at the end of the end of
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Anyway, where are we? Where are we?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Last time? Last time? Last show where you know we
finished off a bit depressed. Give them the previous performances
and we come out with a forty two six win.
No we didn't. That's the wrong one. Forty six six
win between I can't remember. Now I'm looking at the

(01:27):
other score with okay, are this is the way around?
And guys, you watched this one in your palace in Spain,
didn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I did?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I did? And what what I took from this game?
The key highlights was the it was like the breakout
game of Jake Burones who was lightning flying out of
dummy half and scored two tries. What's concerning is last
few games he hasn't done that at all. Maybe he's
been to stopped doing that. It's exciting stuf. So, yeah,

(02:02):
that was brilliant and great to see him, and it's
you know, it's great to see these lads, you know,
in times of adverse to it's really hard. Right now,
we're all seeing some some gems coming through, which is good.
And that on Burns. Burns doing a decent job, isn't
He's not just feeling he's just playing well.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
At nine performers or was that because all of that bad?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
The performance was? Yeah, that was because all was that bad. Yeah,
But the other the other thing in that game that
I took from it was Dodd was great and Dodd
scored twice, and I don't think we've seen him since,
and it was probably the best performance of the I
think he'd been getting slightly better week in week out,
but he was really good in that whole game. Scored

(02:48):
two great tries. But I just say, I think I
think you're writing saying I don't think we've seen him
since unfortunately, But yeah, I do agree with you that
I think that the scoreline does for it was a
bit awful.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Your thoughts on that one, Wasn't that the one that
that stopped the rot?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Stopped?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
It stopped the fine well until until the rock came back.
But as we know, but at that point we thought
to stop the rot. The five mean by that it's
the five games a row we lost before that. So
the initial emotion from that was relief. But I was
quite positive about it because it's not been that often

(03:32):
that we've seen sayings rack up that sort of score
and it's anybody. And I agree with Guys's points at
Hull were pretty poor, but you still have got the
beatment put the points up. So I was a bit
uncouraged by that, but obviously we'll discussed later. We've seemed
to have reverted the type since then.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Darren Paul to get them stickers and put them on
your forehead. Anybody wants to sponsored badges for it.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
It's difficult because for me, all season we've done exactly
what we do against London Castford we've done exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
It's home.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
We play a different type rugby when we play the
bottom teams until we play the top and then we
start playing the top teams and we change our tactics
completely and I just don't get it. I think if
we stick to our tactics, every player who steps up,
even from the academy, lads who are stepping up now,
like I feel like some of the players who steps up,
even that Robinson and Vaughn, they're looking to play rugby
and if anything, our senior players are tell them to

(04:29):
like oh back and play safe and so I mean
completion rates and stuff where I just feel just like
the lads come through play rugby. But against the bottom
teams we do play a different style of rugby than
what we do against the top and there's no It's
frustrating watching because you know you can do it, but
they just don't do it. And like I said, it's
all completion stuff now and what targets have got a

(04:50):
way to ex which for me is no good because
against he can play rugby and if they've got the
players there, even the academy lads are coming through and
they can play rugby.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Just let him play. Don't stop them from playing.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
But when we did turn up against Hull, like I said,
we scored some great drives and through the ball about
we look entertain them again. But that's what we want
to watch week in week out, not just one game
and then four games back to a playing basic folds drives.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Probably one game in ten. Isn't it that exactly? Is
it the senior players?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Do you think they're holding them back or is it plan.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Is possibly more more completely, I think because you listen
to Wellens his interviews and he's like, oh, we completed this,
so we did that, and we did that well this week,
and all we want to do is do best, better
defense and complete and all it is for me is stats,
complete and hit the targets. So they must well the
fans just want to say for us, I'm not bothered
what targets here to hungry for the ball, about when
entertained and repeat myself from saying it time and time again.

(05:41):
I'd rather go to a game and be entertained and
come away getting beat forty points to thirty, but walk
away thinking about what's a great game that they entertained
from starting to finish? Not we hit our targets, but
we've done four drives to drop off and the kick
every single set and we've won the game by two points.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, it's it is a It is a noticeable problem
when you look back over the season, the better performances
have been against the lesser teams played.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
His style is most different from Wolves though Wolf what
three red virals, and people are less glad to criticize
when you're winning, but when need to play that way
and you lose, you're gonna.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Get You know, It's difficult because at the time when
Wolf Wolf did a great job, and yes even under
Wolf weren't playing attracts with rugby.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
But for me, all the other teams weren't great.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
The last couple of years, like to Warrington, Wigan have
spent big and improved on the squads and if anything,
we've kind of kept our squad and thought, we're still
better than everybody else. But if we're going to be
better than everybody else, we've got to play rugby. We
can't just sit back and go right. We've done this
for the last four or five years. It wouldn't be
the same again. But play different formation or kind of
tactical way and just defend, defend because everyone found out

(06:52):
now how to beat us.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, that's the problem that's come out for me this season.
Every windows had to play against us, and we can't
change our start to play against the better teams.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well, we don't got the personnel. I don't think to
defend the wind the way that teams are tackle us.
You're getting the ball out wide quickly and beat us
for payers, and we don't currently have the personnel. Even
when the word's fit, I don't think to stop that
brand and rugby.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, it was notable that teams are still getting around
us when we had a full squad. Yeah, because it's
the it's the old wolf sliding defense and hoping you
fall back in one of your second rows gets across
to the wing man, isn't it. And with the other
teams have improving and being quicker, he ain't happening.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
It doesn't help with injuries. But now the one time
what he pointed with the academy hads coming through. If
they're taught one way, whatever they're taught in the eighteen
to twenty one, so great, they should be taught the
same way and when you step up the show, play
the same way, which was literally you're slotting in somebody else. Yes,
I understand if like Wellsby's coming out and Robinson's coming in,
he's done a great job. You're not going to have
the expats straight away that you're gonna have Wellsby. Don't

(07:53):
get me wrong. Down the line, I think he will
be a fantastic player, but he still should play the
same way.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
As what Wellsby does.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, agreed, I agree.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
And saying with prop forwards, bat roles, etcetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Okay, so we stopped the rot away at Hull and
then we had a reasonably quick turnaround, I think for
a Thursday evening game against Salford on the eighth, which
ended up Saints seventeen Salford sixteen. I think this was
our first golden point game, wasn't it? Was it golden
point this season? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
We made up just feel by a point earlier in
the season that home, but it was before the end,
before the eighteen.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
The basic facts are Salford sevpteen. They're sixteen Saints seventeen
tries from Batch, Blake and Tommy, two goals from Percy
and obviously the drop goal from Moses and buy against
four goals from Sneed and tries from McDonald and Hankinson. Again,
this was another tight game because it was sixteen or
with five minutes to go, and again I think we'd

(08:52):
snooking ourselves with two yellow cards in this game, which
resulting in bands Johnny and Morgan a wild.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Swings swing Johnny got three.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think, yeah, yeah, I mean that they Well, we'll
discuss cards and things later, but surely we should know
by now that this is this is going.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
On and what you've got there is your captain and
your vice captain.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I never thought of it that way. That's that's leadership for.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
The spots on there, the guys that should be setting
the example. Johnny knows what state we're in and get
himself for three much ban.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, it's it's it's a questionable situation this because senior players,
it's almost senior players let us down week after week,
despite the young lad's coming in and being asked to
fill in for for senior players who were out injured.
But I think the game itself, I thought was a decent,

(09:52):
decent game, but didn't help ourselves. And I was just
a it was a bit deflating because we had to
scramble a win.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
That that win is going to turn out well, potentially
going to turn out to be critical. We could for
both team could, and I thought I think in the
golden point period we managed that really well. They were
really really composed and we took our time and when
the chance came, Moses slotted it, which was so dangerous
when you've got sneed on the other side, but we did.

(10:26):
We contained them really really well and and then by
took it well.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Just kind of just back up what guys were saying
before about Jake Burns as well. It's a lovely ball
to to un buy put that over because it's a
pressure situation. As you were saying before, it's a young
lad who is playing his first games and he didn't
look at.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
A place at all.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
But again again Burns got us the snap pass and
then it was Robertson got us forty yards down the pitch. Yeah,
that's right for the for the the chance, but again
which almost another half twenty only twelve.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Wouldn't mind taking them. And Matt Donald he's always in
a time when we were in a desperate need for
a center and so for do like selling he's top drawer.
He just ran straight at the end of the season.
And Matt Donald thinks, I.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Don't know, I don't know's going I feel that McDonald's
a very good player and it's too any team, But
I feel like he's another player who a lower club
stands out massively. I think constantly he doesn't play. There's
a lot of pressure on him, like a lead. Is
he better than one hundred times.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
If you want to, I think it gets a bad
press and deserves I don't think he's the worst. We
never scene that way.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Maybe not not far off.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I think a lot he's judged differently to some of
the players because he's a defensive important I think he
does some things that don't help him, like he's quite
like tapping it over line, yeah, and that then they'll
try against Lady could actually fathered what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Things like that I've given them a real you know,
bad press.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
But I thought, for example, yesterday I thought he would
have better players.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh no, stay no time, absolutely side longer and rich
and was an enormous exposure defensively, and they keep flying
in when they shouldn't fly in it. Winger just walks in.
We're coming up to the okayrd game in a bit
and we'll talk.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
About the system's broken it.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Let's be honest. Well, you know, we can talk about
the system, and.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'm not seeing one at all. I think he is
one of the worst. Your thoughts on that game.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Game again, massive relief, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 (12:56):
When that and by drop, Gold just managed to creep
its way over And as Gas has said, it could
be absolutely crucial at the end of the season if
it gets us in the six, which we would talk
about later.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Possibly.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I just thought we overall just about deserved it. But
as you know, I've mentioned it before a few times,
I'm not a huge fan of Golden Point, and I
don't see what the problem is with the draw in
the league system. I get it in a knockout game,
but in the in the league game, you know, and
if I had the draw, that might have made the
playoff race even more interesting to soult beyond one's been

(13:32):
one point less, so thankfully for us there is a
golden point and that helps us on this occasion.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
But generally I'm not a big fan of it.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
I hope for another team, you know, we talk about
being relieved and maybe being a bit lucky.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
They're a good side, so that they were really good side,
so that was a good win.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
When they're on it, they can they can take it.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Nobody came to our place earlier in the season and
beat us I think by four points. The beat us
at their place as well this year, so they were
a good side.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
So I think we're a fully fit thirteen. They can
take anybody off.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
They've got what we haven't got right now with the one, six,
seven nine. They're all good spine and yeah, fit and firing.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, and they move the ball about so that they're
playing the stylads.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
That's made for beatles.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
Who who ever seem to come in for the teams.
It's all for the old play rugby. They're all on
the same same way. Yeah, exactly exactly what we should
be doing with the academy and stuff, etcetera.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Et cetera.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
The Sulfur lads you have they sign, you always think
it's better than if you're signing, but they always tend
to come do There's not many bad signings to make
us and whoever does come in, Like I said, they
play the same formation and the same attacking weight, all
on the same bade, so it's effective when it comes off.
But we're also us in the opposite side where it
doesn't come off and they get pasted.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
But well with sulf At the beginning of the season,
we were talking would they be okay losing Broady Craft
and all those and they've They've stood up to the test.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I've done better than leads.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, I mean what they brought in, I've been coached correctly,
haven't they to that style player that sol for, you know, which.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Is good to watch as well Sulfur but also Rolling. Yeah,
he's Rolling team. When he watched the old league team
from way back that got promoted, they played fabulous. I
think he's really is consistent in there, isn't it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I think the Rolling is one of those coaches where
you can say, without shadow and shadow of a doubt,
he improved players. And I think I think there's not
a lot of coaches you can say that about did
they improve players that dramatically?

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I think what the college did to a certain extent.
And he obviously his previous Incumber two went off to
Buddersfield who was doing it well.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Was he did replicated and other.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Field did well well at casting. But then when Darrel
bad went to Warrington, then it was kind of like
that was a bit too.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Much fun and expectation things you think, I'm.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
Not sure because of late Darryl Power, for example, did
really well with the money and the budget. You had
a castle Ford and turned a lot of players. He
had never put a Super League players, turning super players
very much like watching it sol for But then as
Watching took a step obviously Watching took a steps fire
going towards field. Is Paul Rowley potentially going to take
a step too far of his rumor to be moving on,
isn't he?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
But you never know?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
And then Guard now at Castleford, Okay, that they've shruggled
the early part of the season, but so it's a
second or that you know that that the last quarter
of the season they have started really competing, and you know, well,
we know that here and also some other teams which
have for you thought are going to give him a

(16:30):
good person.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
And not forgetting Willie Peter's how much of ok are? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
Well with exhausted that one. Unfortunately we have to discuss
the magic weekend next.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Ellen Road.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
I think both.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I think that was the.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Reason it was discussed allen Road, I think. But for
the record, Wigan twenty saints zero tries from Marshall, Baramon
and Walters and four gowns four goals from Caring a
pretty comfortable win for the For Wigan, I thought. I
didn't think we looked like rattling them at any stage really,

(17:08):
and they were without I think they were without fielding
French on this occasion, and we still didn't trouble them.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
They had five or six out.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I think they had no hookers.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
I think they named Thomson hooker that game because laming
either that was far.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, there was one game where Thomson was then at nine.
Although I did I think I think we bombed a
couple of tries from from memory which I tried to
forget it. I've tried to forget it because I don't
The last nil nilled by Wigan was the.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
One that stands out is the weirly one. J Field
tackled him near the line. He dropped the ball over
the line. That should have been a try. He's got
to be, you know, more clinical. It's a good effort
by Field make the tackle.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
But if I remember right, didn't Farrel pull out in
the warm?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
One did?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Didn't?

Speaker 5 (17:57):
So that was another big and all sort of player
that they lost, didn't.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
They had five or six ten eleven? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, But what I what I found frustrating was that
they played Fatim who had a great game and scored,
and we played Ben Davis at six and you're like,
we don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
That was a shocking.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
This is why we don't. Chances are we're going to
get beat Ben Davis. We've had one Ben Davis.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Guys, Ben Davis, so long the blake, Ben Davis, so
long the Blake.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Neither lad might see you later listen then Davis to
be honest, but.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
That's another podcast, the podcast when you've got Whitby and.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Roberts. Why didn't he give him know, I'll tell you
why I didn't do it because he went south Gate
on as and he wanted to keep the score down
and make make sure are d good and Ben Davis
is bigger than them and they don't get and killed
our game.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
But I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
He's another one that we can do a session on
him if you want. I like positive. Was there anything
positive but that game? No?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
No, But Robert Robertson was okay. I thought that.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
I think he made a lot of errors.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And you know he's young, but he makes a lot
of errors.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I think game, but he's going to be He's gonna
be star.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You got to give him time.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
He'll beat that first man. He does need to improve
in his passing game, but every time he gets he
gets the ball. He beat that first man and then
times out.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
He looked at talking to her about him and a
couple of things on the The first one was we
went down to London when Jack was in his infancy
and Jack Wellsby was absolutely diabolical London and we were like,
he can't play full back, he can't play full well.
And the second thing Robertson, it reminds me a bit

(20:03):
of Shane Cooper. Why can't first man first? They can't
get him, like it's like he's covering slick fish. He slips.
He must see gaps well and he's got fabulous feet,
but he slips throughout that Sulford one when he went
half the pitch. I've got fantastic attributes there.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
I would have thought with that burning that in mind,
they would encourage people to support him because he even
though he's titled, his hands are free, aren't they. But
because he's a fullback, there's nobody there to.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
How he does it. He's just got this thing where
he just goes past people snaked. He used to call
shamekeeper slither and he just slithers people.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
We've seen three young lads in the last month in
in Roberts and Whipby and Burns who've all come in
Stevens Steve comment as well, they've come in. They've come
in and yeah, they're coming in dire straits. Just be
honest or would it not have been a far away
policy to have eased them in from day one?

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Couldn't catalog of injuries.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
From the start of the season, one or two.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Fed them in.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
So if you're looking at the idea world, you would
if you had a full strength squad, you could put
one or two of them players in and like I said,
if Vaughan's playing inside making it.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Looks completely different player.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
I really rate him anyway, But then he doesn't need
to instead of playing with rich And or Whacker, he
doesn't need to be shooting out does he making some
to cover him? At the minute, the players have been
brought in have been isolated because of the players around them.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
But if you're bringing in.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
With full strength squad and playing very well, Robinson's possibly
not going to play five six games on the bounce.
He'll play one or two and exactly what well fitting
on the wing, He'll play center one game, he played
full back the next, and they leaves him in like that.
But the way we've had it, he had to play
like bats back games he has at the minute. I
because he's not a young lad. He's had a few origently.

(22:02):
But at the same time he's been very good, good
for watch, and you can see he's got massive potential
of the future.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
And you can also see probably already that Benison can
forget for that now. Yeah, because this kid's better. Yeah
he's got to he's going to stop dropping bones, but
he will, you know. And I'm excited about Robertson, really excited.
He's got attributes that most others just haven't gone well.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
This field game at home where Benison got picked a
fullback and got dragged off after that half an hour
and they wasn't seen again for about a month.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
That doesn't help the players confidence.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
So I know you're playing, you're not playing great, but
at the end of the day, to pull a player
off the half an hour fort an inch into a game,
so I didn't play the game out and then give
him a bollocking and tell him where to put things right,
but don't pull a player off for me.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
I don't like that with him, but.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
I don't think he's done anything spectacularly wrong. And then
a game that he's playing he's entreated a bit the
other day.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, And the thing is.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
He's one who they have brought him, you know, sort
of drip fed into a certain degree, and seasons ago
we got Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. It is
a good addition.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
But with a full strep squad, the Benison look fantastic
on the wing. You look because again because of the
players you had round him. But when you're putting Benison
in the team that we've got now average children. Yeah,
but you could have really saved a lot of money
vice keeping Blake at home and putting Benison doing his
job this year, and it wouldn't been different anything be
doing better.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, we'll come on to that later on because we'll
look at the new signings, et cetera. But generally, on
that youngster's point, they're bringing people in when when you're
free to do so well, always.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Prefer to bring in youngsters, like you said, well one
or two at a time and not played with them,
you know, altogether at the same time. But they go
out there and get a bit of a hiding and
then learned that again not a lot from that. But
the problem you've got is if everyone's fit, are you
picking Vaughn ahead of Perceval or Hurtle. If you do
that and you lose, what happens to you, then you
get I'm a dullion.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
But there's always a chance for where you've got a
couple of injuries in so and then when that time
does come, or there's a time if you come we're
in a situation where we have been in the last
few years and we're not now, and we will guarantee
the top six place and you've got a few get
into where you could rotate in the rest few players,
and that's where that you bring the plates of Vaughn
and Robinson and anything.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
There are certain teams you could do against for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think, yeah, it depends who it is. I think
Stevens probably is probably going to warrant a place at
seventeen pretty much going forward, to be honest. So Vaughan
maybe not, but Stevens yes. And I think you've got
to play Robertson even if you drop Johnny and put
Jack in the halfs. You know, I think Robertson will
is a potential fixture going forward.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
He's got a two years contract. Way Joy's got a
two year contract, so I can't see them.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, No, all that.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
Next year is obviously Robinson finished the season, so well
be back and then I feel like he'll just fit
in where and when next year with the signing.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
As well as we do back before the end of
the season. Isn't it isn't he?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
I believe if we stick into the playoffs, you know,
that's a big edition.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, there could be a risk playing him, you know,
if he if he's coming back. Is it hamstringing me?
I think hamstrings you've got face, you've got to play on.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Yeah, got to say in this game against Wigan, meaning
from since the beginning of the season that junior December.
Oh isn't he absolutely? But what is it twenty years old?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's okay?

Speaker 4 (25:29):
What losing the players that.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Speak, it's come up to in two years.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Or if he begins they signed for twenty six. Yeah, well,
to be to be fair, I thought Morgan Smith has
been back at Wigan buying our getting big rap all right.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean most forwards go over there, all right, but.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
You know, I thought they're great. Still getting back Gord Williams.
I thought it was really good camera. But we'll came
back because other things play a part of the factors
play a part.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Well that's uh wigging kebs.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Let's still have a look Saturday, smack bards.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Let's have a look at Saturday afternoon, the twenty fourth
of August Saints six Hull KR forty two. I put
in an inverted commas here, complete stuff in couldn't should
have been fifty because they missed a load of kicks
as well. But for the for the record, KR scored
eight tries. Whipbread tanging O mate Lewis and four from

(26:35):
from Burgess, four from Burgess Saints with a triangle from
George Whitby. Bright spots I've got written down here Whipby
and Burns. Once they got to a little bit of a.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
It was bright spots.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I have to think of something. I think something.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I thought George Whipby was a bright spot when he
got we've got a little bit of confident the second
half Burns, I think I think Burn's got the chance
to make it. I think he's got a bit of
bottle of tackles above his weight, got a bit of
pace about him, and I thought he was okay. Other
than that, m I don't know, and I think we
got another. I think Blake went off after ten minutes
for the tackle and we scored lost three tries in

(27:13):
the period he was off again with the switching the
board wide against us. It wasn't really a tackle to
Fair didn't.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Banned.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I have to say when we doubt the disciplinary committee
and think the Disciplinary committee is up to something, not
banning him.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
It was honestly it was madness. He didn't get banned
for that.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Anybody else smashed around.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
The Fair Committee decided that we'd be they'd be born
of a punishment. That's what happened. But I did.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I did written and said he wanted a six week penalty.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
If I think we should have appealed that.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
If he had, if he had written, then he got it,
wouldn't because they get what he wants to before.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
The righting was on the on the wall from off
when dropped the ball. And to be honest that the
people who stood up in that game were all the youngsters,
you know, and maybe not from a skill point of view,
but certainly from an effort point of view. You know,
you've got to look at some of.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
The Burns and Roberts, you know, acquired.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
There's a lot of the other ones.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
It's one of the you know, as much as it
pains me to say this, it's one of the first
games for a couple of seasons, I've actually been to
the game and it was I was watching, I was thinking, oh,
it's absolutely.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
It's one of the first games. You've actually been the
game and you chose that one. Listened to my twelve
year old Maria today is going to be character building.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
When I built the tickets for that, it was on
a Friday for status. It was two months before and
everything you know, will be alrighty, that could be, that
could be a.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Close you might. I thought we went, will definitely win, but.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
I knew he was on the wall, so they changed
the fix Saturday.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I mean it was a day bark went from start
to finish.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
It was terrible.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I want there's loads of things I want to mention
about this game. Joe Burgess just it was so easy
for him. He was down, he was in front of
us first half. He was just walking because of that side.
If you give him that what frustrates. It's a hobby
horse again, of it's a conversation being made of a

(29:29):
lot is Joe Burgess's from Ashton. He had no club
for three weeks and we've got no wingers.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Look at the recruitment Oliver gilled Or from down the road,
Joe Burgess from down the road, tanging no what you know?
They just not from down the road, from down the road.
They're just recruiting better, you know what I mean. Willie
Peters just a bit like the Powell from the past.
Some coaches just no player, don't the unspotted player and

(29:57):
you know why didn't Why didn't we Why didn't we
just snatched and have guild or bird that guild Ark
Burgess combination at Wigan went to Australia because that's how
good they did. They didn't make it in Australia, which
isn't the end of the world. Still means the more
than yea. And we let them both go to Okay
and Joe Burgis runs Forgarizing and he's put and he's
facing Tea Rits and I mean there's just a gulf

(30:20):
in size and the ability and speed class everything.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
The hole since he signed for Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Chance it's a good team. But he's also got I
think he's got the top center inside him, hasn't He
isn't the top.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Into the full back was failed one into full.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Back and they've got opposit there.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
He's played for the matter for years.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
He's a good game a game.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
How good they are in there, I think that that
that's the start.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
But they were all we were all the Ritchs and
Blake conboy can't start that again. They didn't just don't
do it. If exam the opposition coach, even my little
on a twelve that today from what I've seen so far.
They should just do bombs because we keep dropping them.
And when you're not doing bombs, run down that side
because they're useless. She's twelve. It works.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Oh so you're saying that, well, the old the coach
against Saint, he's saying.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Pretty much right now you're going to put them to
Ernie and Bird, then absolutely just do everything down that side.
But they didn't.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Didn't we start that side with the whippy Bonne and
Ris defending on that side, I think, But I think
there was a lot of other.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You know what happened, rits and swapping with making.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
And then told me thought, oh god, it's gone. Now
I'll get sent to walk.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, I just made that. I left for twenty minutes,
left for this.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
You don't support United as well, don't know? Well I
stuck it out. I stuck it out.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
But I thought in that second half, either we came
into a little bit and the young lads had a
bit of a go or okay, I took the foot
off the pedal at one point, but I thought they
had the game.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
One and they just Yeah that Michael Lewis.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
I think he's very underrated. And michae Lewis has got
a lot of mornings and he's good. Yeah, but I
think when we look at some of.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
The stuff he does.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
He threw a dumby and three of them went into
the south standing. He was under the sticks all over
the park. And then, like you said before, they've got
Hickoos was a Warrington. He comes to Okay and now
he's playing special. He starts on the full back and
he said he's keeping out copotit on guild art as well.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, you've got three or four players playing for one,
one or two positions.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
You look at Evils really you could say it's a
bit of a journeyman. But again he's another one who's
having a proper quick star is he ever? And that's
always has been. It's been always a bit dodgy, always
was dodging the eyeball, but that seems to be hard
of his game now.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
But they've got they've got a very workman like pack.
But they've got to players in that for me, a
top notch in yeah, the league, proper player, but he
only comes on down the change. I think the hookers

(33:38):
and quality, yeah, great combo and all recruitment. Then there's
no doesn't bring them in and the Michel is the
only one. They've their own their own Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Then r L. If they've come for surely they'll come
for Lewis.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Put him on a big contract they might have done,
and what might put a six year contract they have
on a long term put the money in Austria. I think,
oh yeah, the beach front apartment better than his dockside apart.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
An eight year contracts, it's over well yeah yeah, it
just it just makes pay feet, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Actively I just can't see how the os will if
you know they're coming for sure, they'll come.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
From making as on the side lads, well just not
talking saints from it, Okay. I got the Cahoonas to
win it.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
For me, No, I think they might just fall short
at some point. But that's what I fear. It will
be that other lot again. They'll just have too much
in the end.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I think it's I'm more more confident than I think.
And you know, when in a collision, sport depends who
his face. If you're not Bevan French, Wiggins a completely
different team. But if they've got everybody fit, I think
they'll win it because the better than everybody else finished.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
For me, if I get home side that the semi final.
I think they'll go there and I think I think
they'll do it.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I do.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
The only issue have gone at the minute is it
eight on the bounce of one. Now we're gonna have
a loss of something. You can't keep that hope.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
They should have lost to us have been better off
and they we're going to We're coming up.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's going to be a best That's the brilliant Friday
Friday game. Basically, that's the hub cap.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
The brilliant Okay, I can win that when the when
the league leaders shield and then take take it for
an Instagram final.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I think everybody would like to see you Okay, and
if we can't win it, since it's not going to
be ours, I'd love to see the Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Because at the beginning of the season, if you remember,
right though, I said I just love but they've been
able to see all the games. Now I love switching
on them. Okay, give or so game because you entertained.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I like watching ok against sod.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
We're not going anywhere here, Okay, Warrington Final.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
I think Warrington playing is a good worrying you know,
very much fall off the cliff and gets to the
big stage and they just fall.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
But I'd rather Warrington there than Wigan any team.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
That's a different question.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
If anything's gonna have the false is gonna be Warring Toyah.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I just I can't see past Wigan.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think I think, okay, I'll beat Warrington, but I
don't think we struggled against Wiggan in a final.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
But do you not think they'll learn the lessons off
what's happened in the Challenge got final last year. The
semi final this year was the same. They got home.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, but Old Trafford it is a different. Yeah, they'll
need to go for it. Yes, they've been going for
it all year.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Don't get don't don't start playing.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
Yeah, you look at I know they are a different
teams about French and Field, but the way they play
are very similar to how we play and it's very
boring Wigan. They've just got a few x fatter players
Marshall Field, French make a break and no one's catching them.
You look at the Grand Final last year, it's Catalan.

(37:19):
It was there for Catalan's sake. Calan didn't play rugby.
Catalan normally played rugby and for some reason they went
to complete went on completion to set a six at
six at six and took it to Wigan but not
playing rugby just down the middle.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I thought that the game was there for Catalan last
year to win.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I think coaches a gamest Wigan in finals tend to
sort of worry about Wigan rather than play their own game.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, that's what I agree.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
But what I'm saying is now with and even Warrington
to get the Burgess and Peters and and fussed. They're
happy to play rugby and that's that's their branders and
they stick with that brand whether they're playing the bottom
teams or the top teams.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
And it works.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
From nine times ten were a lot of other teams.
I do include that we can do change the tactics
if only they playing.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah yeah, fair enough, Okay, right, well let's have a
look at yesterday's game Huddersfield Giants ten Saints eighteen. I
don't know where to start with this. It's it's a win,
it's two points, that's a bonus. The rest of it
was pretty shoddy for me. It was a good job
they got a man sent off. Could have been a

(38:26):
lot different, Yeah it was. It wasn't great tries for
us from Johnny Lomax and Harry robertson his first try
for US. Yeah, tries from Huddersfield. I can't remember it
scored them, Yeah Wallace.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Did he.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
And at forty or thirty nine minutes spent and spenting
somebody Rogers remember his first name, were sent off for
I don't know whether we ino.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
And I don't think it was a shoulder I thought
eating with his arm, but it was head.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Defender, didn't he frowned upon It's like the front parts
of the shoulders. At which point we were ten six down.
I think I'm not looking great. We've had a decent
first twenty minutes and after that we'd we'd fallen off
a cliff again. And how fortunately the man sent off.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I think if that man's not sent off, he could
have been different.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
I don't think we're in that game because they got
a roll at the time when he got sent off
was the worst possible time.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Is but but but as well as as we defended
our way to a win, exactly, I don't think he's
the only Manson challenge he was happy with that, no.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And then only did well in it because his dry
was pretty much a single person efforts where he went
to about three players, Well, I think only relying on
that because it's not going to.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
Come CRUs relying on even a break from him or
Almsley when he's.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
When he's on a bit of a stinker, to be honest.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Certainly, second spell, Ye, that that bit with Addie Robertson
just handed in the bone. I thought he's a going
to say around the land bass Robertson because he did
nothing wrong. I thought he was a decent enough.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I was I wasting there thinking is our crisis of
confidence with our senior players not not the youngsters coming in?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Do you know what?

Speaker 6 (40:27):
You right there right there and said that a week
didn't and changed his mind after there is that I'm
not calling these players now. I'm going to go back to.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
You're going to say after the interview, Yeah, there's something.
There's something missing woman. Something doesn't add up for me.
I don't I don't have any inside knowledge and at all,
but something just from outside, it doesn't look right in.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
Players and I'm not interested but the players and they're
not on board. Just just something missing. It's frustrating as
a fan watching but you watch the team's wells has
played played in and played for. You look, and they're
all play attractive, entertaining rug people. For some reason, the
last eighteen months it's been boring. Absolutely, but it's it's

(41:14):
it's a wolf fightal wolf part too.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
It's what fly I do?

Speaker 4 (41:17):
You think it's wolf like, but without the personnel to
make it work with personally, make it wolf heavy. Now
you've got a mixture of inexperienced players who are quite
you know, I've got the right level of you know,
quality maybe at the moment to do the job, and
players who are a little bit.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Over the over the hill sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
So you've got you've got nobody, not many, not enough
players who are like you know, at the very beak
and able to compete at that level.

Speaker 6 (41:44):
But it's what you've been told, isn't it. Because if
you're told to do is play a certain way. If
you're told to go out and entertaining for the ball.
We have, even though we have got injuries, you have
players who can do that. And the academy lads who
are battering teams week in week out in the academy
come up. They played the same way. Surely they will
adapt to that. I'm not expecting us to go out
and beat team thirty forty. There where the team we've
got in the minute, I'm expecting to be entertained a

(42:05):
bit more than what we are.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
But that's where that's where the difficulty comes for these
young man who're coming into the first team at the
moment where they used to trashing teams and playing open, attacking,
flowing rugby, and all of a sudden they've got a
free they standing the first team, I think.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
But that comes from Wellings for me, because the interviews
they come on, they'll say, oh, we were impatient, or
we tried to score on every player.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
We don't try.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
To me, that's absolute nonsense. We don't try to score
only any players we're not going to score from. It's
like he puts that, you know, every era down to.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Us Robertson for letting the Marshall run in for that try.
But but what Mark Robertson was the one trying to
get to him on the wings, so we couldn't turn
around and stop it once he'd gone past.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Them and he.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
That didn't Is that the one where Tommy didn't cover
himself in glory on that side as well, I think.

Speaker 6 (43:03):
But some of the top players then over trying like
the Nikinson when person was played, they overtry. I put
Nol's into that bracket when has got a mistake and
there in it or sending it were sometimes in matter,
Lee will overtry then to try and compensate through it.
And it doesn't really work for us. I think it's
just a style for me, it's just frustrating and on.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
That you know, well, it's all right saying well always
just playing wolf bawl or whatever. But he was also
there for Holbrook and during his playing career he's played
under so many great coaches. You think they'd be taking
the best of Daniel Anderson's and coach and Dwayne Bennett's
well England he seemed very very best.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Isn't the same.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Wolf ball?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Sorry, same thing with Cunningham, wasn't it. He played in
some great teams and playing expansive rugby, but when he
took over all that was like out of the window
and let's play it safe.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Cunning And was pushed into that job more than he
wants at the time. Yeah, Wellens is actually built to
be CV. Over these what five six years under some
very good coaches were I did feel it be a
bit different this time. But even though Wellens would go
back to what phrasing, he doesn't have training field, why
he's your coach. It's trying to override it. It's not working.

(44:20):
Wellens says, it isn't working.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
To go back to plan.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
The thing is as well, were the manager.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
We go on about wolf ball, and I think it's
they're not even playing wolf ball good enough now.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Thing, it's okay, it was a defensive on the wolf
but it was down good defensive in the sense of
restricting teams to that earlier.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
We're not even getting anywhere near that.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
So consequently, like we're going about teams, you know, just
playing the ball and running around us. If we can't
even get the defensive side, which was supposedly so good
at right, you know, I'm you know, on the other
side of that, we've never been Also, the certainly of
LA's never been a decent attack inside, you know, sort
of you've got to come under the same source of

(45:04):
scrutiny and the issues are you I think.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Sorry, the warranted game in the cop Ivan was a
watershed moment. I think before that our defense was pretty good,
but a really good record. I think that that was
the game where they're sort of had a blueprint for
beating us and other teams of copying it.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
So somebody said to me when they win all this stuff,
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
It was not there.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You play like this, You've got to win, Yeah, because
if you're don't, Yeah, there's nowhere to go.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
It sounds like you're so losers and you don't. You
only want to watch Saint win. It's not all about wunning.
You just want to watch an entertaining game. I'm not
probably with it. Before beat forty thirty or go to
the old fashioned way of Saints, you're going to score
five tried for those goal sticks, have that mentality.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
But we've got we've had none of that.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
That's what we are. We used to be called not
too long ago. The entertainment. That's our culture, that's our heriot.
That's what we're about, you know. And then there's no
entertainment in it. No, it's gone, it's gone. I think
another thing for me, I always think when the team's
flying and doing really well, and the morales up and
the coach is great, nobody nobody's injured, nobody's injured. Okay,

(46:09):
you know what I mean, we had in our flying
years of our four in a row, nothing like now.
And I think if somebody's not happy and they're not
in suddenly and the culture not quite right, suddenly we've
got ten injuries and then and it's it's constant that
one's fit well he's injured. No, that one's fit well

(46:31):
he's injured.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Know.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I just think there's definitely a correlation between a team
with a good team moral, good team spirit that's flying
and no injuries. From the opposite.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Right now, the morale points of view is you will
get from winning what you know what I mean, they
work handy gloving in that respect, and the opposite happens.
Otherwise you get those length of losing streaks and you're
going to go down the pants with certain What I
kind of understand is that something we've touched on earlier.
The young lads have come in. I mean, surely they
have been trained. You know that their games are being

(47:05):
coached in the same fashion as what you know we're
talking sense, you know, first team, and therefore, you know,
why why aren't they as adepts to virtic commerce wolfball,
as we were saying, Because it's that they're trying the
hardest and know, but is it is it one of them?
More like we were saying a bit earlier that the
other lads, you know, they sort of the old heads

(47:27):
are trying to and therefore we're getting penalized these you know,
shooting off the line and getting penalized that way. Like
some organ noles matter leagues and haven't went in head
eye titles and different things like that.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I think you played completely differently. They certainly have a
few reserve games, a few academy games. They don't play
like the first team, which is which which is entertainment,
entertainment around the crowds for reserve games the wingers.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
But he was talking after this game, just feel game.
It's the idea entity back and I'm thinking, what, yeah,
And I'm thinking that's about six times yeah, And I'm
thinking that that's.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Stuff for me.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Was just it was skilled boy at times. And I
know I keep coming out saying that, but it sounds
like I'm being derogatory to school boys.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
And you know, with some of the stuffy told we
came in and it went to my last tackle and
I'm like, please don't put a bomb in just and
cheering off bump up. It went right, you're first team now, George.
Last tackle bomb, I get what you forget all the
great stuff you've been doing. Last tackle bomb and it

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went up as a bomb and my heart sung.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
He probably got toes off of That's why he scored against.
That's a frustrating thing and it will laughing about. That's
probably what they've been told because you can't. It's just
so frustrating watching and you said, you see something. I
didn't watch many academy games, but the games you do
see in the highlight you think he's got potential, and
the way they step up to the first team you think,
I've not seen anything what they've shown the ast few weeks.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
There's no better example than Dodd is the Dodd was
like amazing the times all drilled out of him.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
But is that one of the where you're stepping up
and your player against a more experienced and be older
players in that respect.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I don't think so, because in the reserves are playing
against open age, so they've got the experience.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Sorry, I know we've mentioned this about the dog before.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
I feel like Dodd has been under a bit of
criticism because and By plays exactly the same way, and
everyone's like, oh, By is a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
He plays exactly the same as Dondals. And just because a.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
Different face of a lower yeah exactly, it doesn't get
He can kick the ball a bit higher. But for me,
there's no it's what they're being taught. He comes in
and plays exactly the same way as Dodd. The last
couple of seasons Dodd's been under this.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I'm not convinced what they've been taught. I'm I'm convinced
what they've been told to do. Possibly rather than play
and play what's in front of you. Yes, we certainly
don't play what's in front.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Of us, do we.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
We don't because anyone can defend four drivers to drop
off in the cave. It's what they're doing all week
because they're cowardly and got no what theyre doing.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Four drives and the kick five drives and the kick all.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Right, well, wood work is and the boone isn't like
a marks need quality, it's a dolly.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
All right.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
That's that's just changed back a little bit. And I
know we've we've got a lot of injuries, but and
there's reasons for that discipline. I made a note of
speaking about discipline, but you mentioned about the proliference of cards,
didn't you. I meant across the whole league, a big
topic that's last the weeks. I had to look into

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this the other day, and we are not the worst.
Apparently apparently wings record is worse than hour, but not
by much.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
They've got more red cards, more.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Red more more, more cards, car cards. Yeah. So I'm
just wondering what your thoughts is it. Is it a
referee in a consistency? Is a video rare for what
was getting involved more?

Speaker 4 (51:02):
I think the consistency of decisions is an issue, but
largely in terms of saying I think a lot of
the time it's because we don't learn the lessons, and
some of our players, like you make that makes him
one last week he jumps off his feet and although
he does try to wrap, as I said before, you're
gonna hit him with your shoulder if you do if
your feet, the Noles one against because it's alfed or yeah.

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To me, that's just reckless, absolutely reckless, and his game
for me, that's all play. But if he wore Jerry
and why, I think we'd be calling him a grub Berfeically,
he is he is reckless.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
For me, there's a bit of that about it.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
But yeah, I mean you see you see red and
yellow cards now we were used because the way the
brules are now, you've got to avoid head contact at
all costs and and a lot of the time intent
is irrelevant.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I think we can see that from across the league
have failed to adapt this weekend's game, that the intent
is right Arabics. I thought, Paul and there was no
intent in that, and I thought the.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Double down give him three games for that?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Sports have just got.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Three games, both of them both and both got three games.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Rogers as well er effectively, I think it's accidental contact.
So if that's going to be what's going to happen,
then we need to learn, awit learning.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
I think that's not I think Rogers did did swing
his arm a little bit, so less simply with them
than I have with with Vaughn. I thought, Vaughan kind
of I'm.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
Not sure about The players are falling as well, aren't they?
So you've got to the players stood up right and
someone clubs him, I understand, But the players fall and
you've got touation.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
But that that one you're on about with fall he
was going down, and yet he said there was no mitigation.
But surely if the players going down, like you said,
the mitigation and that should have been not sorted out
right at the beginning of the season. What is mitigation
and what isn't mistigation?

Speaker 3 (53:06):
We started off with that incident at Warrington playing, didn't
we joke?

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Then we had like a month for it was nothing,
and then now it seems to be back into the season,
red card every every few minutes.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I mean, if that, if we have this still going on,
we get to the playoffs, the Grand Final, but all
the better to do with the grand Finally come down
to regard you.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
Said, I totally agree with his invidiod on Like you said,
you're you're ruining, You're ruining the game and he gets
your Grand Final. You're not You're not concerned. You're not
you're not thinking of who's on the pitch. You're worried
more like he was missing.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
And the thing is we bangaled haven't been doing it
months or months about Okay, we've got access to it,
like ste says, you know, anything that touches the these days,
you know, we're trying to get that out of the game.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Which is correct play well.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
But the thing is there's gotta be consistency, and you just.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Well, I reckon.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I could watch any Super League game of a weekend
and pick out ten tackles that should have warranted.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Nothing got nothing.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Is this to do with the fact that in some
cases the player, the player that gets hit, he gets
up a garage on it doesn't get noticed and doesn't
get reviewed. If he stays down, whether that's you know,
whether he's being genuine though, whether he's you know, indulgently
of the gamesmanship. Whichever gets it gives him time for

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the for the review to take players, and that's when
you start seeing the guards.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
But what we are seeing now and I've not seen
for before, certainly this season, you get all the players
throwing their hands up. I'm thinking, what are they what
they're doing? There's like six of them throwing their hands
up as if it's an attempt to get the opposition
player stop.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Players completely stop now and play the ball now. People
have just stopped and just wait for the ride.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
I mean, in the all days, if that sort of
thing that they carried on, referee would have dragged that
player to one side and absolutely really told him a
bigger backside wed you know for back in the way
it is.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
I mean just just not that now, not sure report
don't ruin the game, pole do it or do it retrospectively.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
People are people are going to get annoyed and people
are going to stop going.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
I'm not saying you look at the attendant from or
the the way second game of the season, I think
it was like over thirteen hundred that went st fans
compared to this weekend was just like five hundred and eighty.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, it's like and that half.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
And I'm thinking that's not not just because the way
we're playing rugby, it's the way rugby's going as well,
because people getting annoyed frustrated because they going and not watching.
You're not watching thirteen players seventeen players. You're always guaranteed
that someone's in a red card or you look harded.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
But is it is this not a mad panic from
the situation with Goulding and buzzards and the league actually
probably is away from it.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
Know can we when they signed up to play rugby,
you know what the you know what you're in for.
That's it's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
You signed up. You know, rugbies are tough game.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
And at the end of the day, I'm not saying
its possibly that the insurer isn't now saying you've got
to make sure that your protocols and systems and insurance. Yeah,
so it's it's probably commercially driven.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
And the thing is, we're not a crack and this
side of the world, we're not a cash strap sports
away at the end of the day. So they've got
to be careful and I understand that, but there's got
to be you know, that sort of balancing out where
you've got to make sure that the game is entertaining,
so you're going to get eyes and bodies, you know,

(56:44):
sort of watching it and turning up to the games
and if you're going to go over the top and
be ultra scure, and like Paul just said, you know,
just the rules changing again for next year.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
I think this year just started this year and looked
they're supposed to be next week, next year's supposed to
be and in them and.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Then it will be below below belly. But well, in
the amateur game, we're on about the mount of things.
You can turn around and say, oh, that's penalty, that's
a penalty. They've been doing this a full season in
the amateur game, and trust me, all the games that
I've watched, there's been loads that have been you know
sort of there's been been a high tackles and when
I say above the arm bit, you know, and just

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not be penalized, then yeah, I think they got penalized.
Right again, same same as the lexus for the professional game.
The thing they got penalized and amated at the beginning
was they played the ball and that got for the
first five or six games, and I was watching difference,
it wasn't the same team all the time. Also, you

(57:52):
know you could see, you know, sort of different players
attempt to play and you looked at me. So there's
nothing wrong with that fact. There's probably better.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
The tempt you know, some of some of the others. Anything.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
You just want consistency. Absolutely at the end of the day,
you're going to be clever about it. Like you said before,
if it plays falling, it's it's a different matter for me.
If the players stood up and someone tries to take
the red off off the shoulders the head, then fair
enough to know the rules, but to speak clever about it.
Because at the minute, every single game now has been
affected by the referee in the middle. I don't know
about anybody else, but watch majority of the Magic Weekend

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games and I thought that was the worst Magic weekend
we've had it.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, absolutely is the standard rugby as well. The standard
rugby was so poor.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
But unfortunately, if we keep having to put up with
that and the referee is making their own decisions in
the middle field, then.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
It's because you looked like you said, look at the
decisions that are being made. Now, why why were some
of them decisions made a round three or four or five?
Which do were know? Those types of contacts? You know,
after that Ferrari of the first couple of weeks had
died down, it was still there.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
So we've hits.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
You know, it's it, and we do it every here.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
They'll fetch you ruling, they'll delaminate and laming it for
the first.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
It's only going to get more. So like Steve, Steve said,
you know but next year, who knows, three years time,
everybody's got to wear an helmet. Yes, it's it's only
going to get more so as you're in this environmental fortunately,
well you know claims.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
And all they will need is one big payoffs on
the claim, and that will then it will go.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
After changing, it.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Gets and then the game will get wiped out, probably.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
On a professional level. Spouses. I agree. I mean, you
know what you're signing up for. Do contracts needs to change,
you know for the future that like the next contract
you signed. Part of that contract it says you understand.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
The other issue is probably will we can't afford to
be seen as a game that's unsafe and that causes
things like dementia and ct and all that because parents
are up just stop the kids from playing, and then
we've got no players in the future. So that's what
one of the things that they're worried about.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
I still think it's you know, it's it's a massive
balance in its difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
But let's let's move on depressing ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
For the future of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
We've got three games left, I think while Away cast
Us Home Lee Away, m are we making the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Lads?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Sixty four thousand dollars? Question I think, Gus is what's
you have got to tell us all about this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
That's more point, okay, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
My answer to that question is yes, it was going
to be his question, Well, his question, are we going
to make the playoffs one. Yeah, so that you've got
I've done some I've done some extensive research research, and
I've put all the games in for the next three
weeks and basically you've got Saints, Salford, Lee and Catalan

(01:00:57):
playing for three places.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
That lay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Let me tell you why I'm ruining out leaves the
play all this week because next week in the next
week Leeds have got wigging away and the last week
Leads have got okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Away.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So the last two games is wigging away, okay away.
So you're right a good point.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
You may, depending where they are okay or think there
will be one or two so they.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
May rest players.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I don't know the teams that will rest.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Yeah. On that basis, I am ruling out fair enough
if the leagu's one bad. But before then, though, there's
there's a case.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
There's a no argument there is, But I agree with Port.
I think I don't think Les will be playing under
strength Wiggins and under strength game. But if they do,
that changes things. That rules out Leads for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I think we we have to beat Casts.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
That my haven't you said that before?

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That might be enough because we're not going to get
anything at Warrington and I'm going down club buying three
tickets for the game in the morning. But when I'm
telling my kids again this could be, this could be horrendous.
Not if you look at the definition, doesn't say go
when you're winning. So my kids are both going to
Warrington Away on Saturday. But I'm expecting a pasting. And

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although Vas good news and Lee Away, Lee Away could
be massive. I think I think on current formally he's
comfortable favorites, but I actually have been looking at the games.
I think if we beat cast that will hopefully be
enough give us thirty yeah, and I think thirty points
will just about do it. Salford's got Catalan. That's a

(01:02:47):
massive game because if I think so, I think if
Sulford beat Catalan this weekend, that will pretty much do Catalan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Than you behind too Behinders.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so I think if they get beat
by because I think Catal's last two games is London
at home and yeah, they're not lovely thirty, aren't they?

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
You think?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
But I think at least I think if the sulf
had beat them, I think that will probably take Catalan out.
And then I think on that basis we should hopefully.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Be all right, Catalan, the mobuds are on the twenty
six points in the seventh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, I agree with the guys.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Actually, I think if we get to thirty, Wilson Grape
will just get through. I don't think Catlan will. We'll
get to thirty, no, I mean they will, but as
difference is better than theirs massively.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
If you're scraping at six, I think you got to Warrington,
you did, which.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Won't be any fun, but least we'll say we're qualified
again and keep that proud record going about being there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
I haven't thought it through that far. I think we
think though is and I know it's a bit because
it's me being ever up aistic, but hopefully we do scraping.
It's preferably fifth. But hopefully if we do scraping at sixth,
then it's all about who we got available and if
we can bring Wellesby back. If you in these Clark

(01:04:14):
dog making soon and then we ad then we had
a different proposition. Of course we are, but they're not
going to fancy us if we can turn it with
virtually our first I mean we're still you know, Warrington
is the anybody but them really, because even if we
turn up with our first team, they'll still they've they've

(01:04:36):
got the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Form and I think Warrington or Okay would still do
us wigging. We've been all confident about beating with a
full team because before about styles that they're made for
us more than the other two.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
And if we land soulf all the with the full pomp,
we'll definitely go through them. But then it depends who's
fit though, doesn't it They might not be fit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
And you don't want five or six players coming back
off six week distance. It's for one game. If there
only game to get before that is away, it's gonna
it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Same problem, isn't it. Answer your question is yes you
say yesterday, what do you say No, I don't think
they will.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
I think so just I think just go along with
what we just said.

Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Then Cast will be a victory against Cast and then
we do get ahead of Steam up. So frustrating at
the minute, because if we do play rugby, I do
think we put a full SITH squad out in the playoffs,
we can beat anybody, but it depends what we turn.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
On point I'm very much heart says yes and says now, I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Think we'll make the playoffs and just comes this is
a hard time to remind everyone that we lost that
old to Cast.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
I think we've still got that on the recorded. It's
it's a perfect time problem because the thing is we
can't because it's like we're all saying, really, you know,
that should be the game that well we should be
a banker, but throwing it around, and you know, are
they you know, the old head's going to be your

(01:06:07):
sort of trying too hard again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
So there's lots of They've just got to go in
there and just play a normal game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
At the end of the day, we are in unfortunate
position that Cast because of I m G.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
All they're good about is how many people are going
to turn up for that last game for the season
that they've got because they get a certain threshold, they'll
get a great license and will be Zoop League for forever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
On the field for CAST can't get me around CAST
getting a great a When they're playing in the toilets,
have they got any ground coming on or something?

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
I like, I like toilet the road I did, I
did Chile no roof and everybody went to Steve Prescott
Standard and could see you having to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I think casts and mints face and they've gotta bring
no fans and it's and it matters last game. There's
so much in that game. We should have well win
that game, will win that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
We should be motivated, should be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Drive onto Lee next week and do them so we
don't get Warrington.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
I can't see it's gettingnthing from lately.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
There's another one in it gently recruitment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yes, why did we.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Get could be a dark horse for all of this,
you know, because they're coming good rather than yeah, And
it can be one of those where if you if
you treat them lately till they'll sting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
You don't think we can treat anyone?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
No, no, don't be.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
I mean anybody you know that would that wanting get
hundred percent? Yeah, And I mean when you look at
Leeds from years ago when they they put it from
fifth ya, did somebody churned and results out and got
there and did it well?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
What Leads used to do was get the squad fit
for September? Yeah, yeah, State did you questions first week
of September and everybody's fat? Yeah, State, I think I did.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Yeah, I think I said that. I agree with guys.
We will scrape in here because I think thirty enough
because just because Catland's points difference is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Huge.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Yeah, so they would need to win I think three
games to get him out. They're going to beat alf
potentially assuming that they beat both Hull Love I think
they will, but beating Sulfur to different cattle fish.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I think we're in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
Yes, possibly possibly all points differences one hundred and ninety
two thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
But if they beats all for with London holl to follow,
then we need to be either Warrington or League.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
But which ain't which which?

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
The same as we're going about beating Castleford Cattle and London.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
They didn't deliver.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
Them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yeah, I think that the likely the likely game is
going to be Warrington away from finish is six and
fourth place four place five don't so we could do
with being face Ideally we could do be in fifth? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
The highest team gets the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Home home advantage? James? Couldn't it? Okay? Are we can
tough yet? Well, they're four points clear, so they'd have
to lose the last couple of games they have.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
To lose to the four points between ok one Warrington.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Wigging Yeah, one of them loses that game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
If one of them loses that game's true steak my
engineer to draw not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Being funny though four k are come third and we
get okay away that's just as bad.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Will help us, Okay, it will just mean that we
won't knowing. Okay, are fans at work on the Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
And you're getting it one morning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
If you're looking at them not closed, which it is
this weekend. All right, let's let's let's look for a
bright spark. I was, I was, I've been a look around.
What could I what could I cheer us up with?
And I settled on McManus's statement in the last and
the last program that he's going to support well in
his new contracts and make some signings, and it pointed

(01:10:13):
to the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
He didn't actually point to anything.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
But it's since been since he made that comment that
we've we've certainly signed Kyle Feldt from North Queensland strist
and Sailor from the Broncos, and a question mark over
Louis Murphy. But I'm told it's pretty much pretty much
a done deal. So two wingers and a speedy utility back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I think, And then I tried it was scored the
last week I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I think, yeah, I'm more interested in the libreas situation,
to be honest, because I think what we need is
a change of style.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Is in good you know, and what they're bringing in
rich and I'm not sure about felt but when in
terms of pay. But my god, this secondary score.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
I think carlt of a right, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
He's the deal player. The other two of Flyers, Sailor
and Murphy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Yeah, Murphy's coming back off at any cl isn't he sopefully?

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
But he's had that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
He's been in Australia two years now, so it's over
that now he's been he's been twelve months a lot
injury and is he.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Getting a game?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
No, that's what we need.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Is he getting a game?

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Oh no? Why because they've got tup and dom Dom Young.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Yeah. Yeah, so that's why to be making going over
them too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
So well, right, all went there, didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
It doesn't matter. At the end of the day.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
You look at it and you think, just because not
getting over there doesn't mean they're not good players. It
just shows how much qualities have got over there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
And Bird so you mentioned earlier he went over there.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
The roof doesn't didn't really didn't get get much of
a game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Like but what Karl Felt is seen as coming towards
the end of his own r Okay, but he's still
one of the top tries twenty two games scored, twenty
tries his.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
League with twenty tries. What I'm thinking about it's all
about mileage and as Kyle Felt been used as a
battering round for the last ten years, making God opened
at the end of his career, you'll have a job Walks.
He's been like number one forward and for years maybe
maybe made more forwards exactly so, but maybe Felt hasn't

(01:12:18):
been used like that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
And fourteen appearances, one hundred and forty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
The thing about them being the same age pretty relevant
if this guy came to relevant on mileage in it. Yeah,
and some has been battered by this club as as Personal,
absolutely battered by Love and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
He's and he's actually scored against Leeds, he scored for
Queens and Felt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
And he scores like he's massive in Glad. What what
they need, both of them? I mean Personal, Hopefully we
can keep him fit. We need the centers we need.
That's that's got to be the next purchase. I don't think.
I don't think we're going to retain Connie. I'll I'll
be sorry. So we need a proper center opposition.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
It okay because he's been releasing leaving.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Yeah, I assume he was going back to Australia, but
that would be quite a good big up.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
We've been linked with him, but I don't know how
true that sport.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
They were also linked with giving the garm and that's
long ago as well, So I don't know do we
need giving the Garden back?

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
Would we have space on that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
If we did that? Do the kid rock at London?
He's back and I haven't seen much of him, scored
some good tries and there may be a real good prospect.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Do we need anything else now? I would say another forward,
big forward, another proper another second row.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
No, definitely this year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
There's another player.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
I've got none left.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
There's another player linked Josiah something I know, a half.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Back for me.

Speaker 6 (01:13:52):
I think I think the way we will pack next
year is say at full back. Well being Mas six
and seven. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
I don't think we'll go.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
I think we'll also start playing Robertson.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
I think Robertson and they're just feeling where and when,
And like I said, good good cover, which Robertson like
a center?

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Do you think he could play center? He needs is
the next thing he's going to do for me his
bull cup and doesn't he I think you're right edge
on the arts. But I'll tell you what Johnny needs
to earn his spots. When you've got when you've got
whipbies and in the in the background and young lads coming,
he needs to be in unmerit.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
I thought he should a lot more on Sunday to
be I thought he should a lot morey he took.
You could see he was fighting, even though it's just
himself first try score. Yes, you could see on a
few occasions. But I think next year the line up
with long Max, like I said, at the end of
the day, if you've got competition for places for help
throughout the squad, that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Young Robertson and Whitby will be chomping at the bite.
Better performs if they come in cor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Actually coming back to your point there, though, guys, if
we've got this as a backline, we don't have less injuries,
aren't we?

Speaker 7 (01:15:07):
Potentially because the young lads, we've got a chance this
year Vaughn Robinson whitby them then step up next year
with a full strength squad.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
They also look better and they're more confident going into
into a team instead of playing with.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Like half and half in perfect perfect world world, would
Vaughan actually play?

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Do you know what? I was very impressed from at nine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Delivered it was good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Told me it's actually a second rower.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
I think he's a center.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
So but he's not gonna player there is it? Because
we're stacked second.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Look again, it's competition for place, isn't it. So we
can if you can cover a number.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Of books, I think I think players have to be
an unmerit. I think they have to be not because
there's somebody's mate. Even if the club captain they paid captain,
I think they still have to be merit.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
I said it was that there's a doubt about mentality
in there.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
That's that's the big one at the more because don't
by all accounts he's not staying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I've heard that as well, but I'm not. And you
know what is good enough? Not many sort of just
you know around the campfire his family really over how
many years? And I heard I heard he was a
job outside. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Sometimes he's qualified as something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
I think it's an injury.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Is he about thirty?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I think he's twenty seven? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Is he really that age?

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
But even without we've still got Syring and Whitley bachelor,
So you don't see v Bell and Bell wingfield. Well
I'm drinking into that, into.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
That yeah, yeah, really no wage really in that respect,
it's been his prime and either really but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
I think one is immensuing and are comfortably better than
the other two. Yeah, I think Whiley, WHILEY has not
been the same since he's come back from injury.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
He doesn't look much of a player to me at
the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
But how we're playing I said that we have this
discussion with you nature. I'll go with you're playing Whitley
at the beginning of the season as an outside bat
rower running out ring lines, and he scored three four
tries in the first three four games. Then we turn
away and stop playing like that. You can't play Whitley
as an eighty minute back rowers defensive and taking expect

(01:17:24):
him to take a small lads, But if you play
to his strengths strengths, then you get the best out
of it. The same as bachelor batches, not an eighty
minute battering ram. But we're sending to play back to
the same So if you have thenually run lines out wide,
we'll you'll see a difference with him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Like as I say, it's all coming back to coaching
and tactics. That's why Bres is the more interesting signing
for me. And hopefully we're going to do something differently,
but whether we do is other matters.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I think you will because it looked it does look
like they felt like they do follow the I argue
with what Paul said earlier at the end of the
day and the manager, I hear what you're saying, but
this is what we're doing. It doesn't look like it
works like that. This is phrasing new strategy and we
and we do it so over that carries on and
Libras comes in with some proper creative stuff because he
is from the town and understands who we meant to be,

(01:18:15):
and we start playing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Some'll come in and say you've been doing what We
had a similar thing last year we went phrase who
went well and went home?

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
And MaTx Smith coming for We've picked on that a
few times in the podcast this year. We played a
different style of rugby then when Max Smith was in charge.
But again for me, it comes down to Wellen to
say it's not working right, I'm going to walk what
you're saying in this This is what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Because the book stops with him. He gets fired.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Well, him get fired because attacking coach are rubbish.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Okay, Well, thanks very much and hopefully we'll have some
more cheerful views when we when we meet again in October.
Have we doubts, but we'll see where we are in October.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Uh just mentioned the reserves final Yeah no, just the
reserve finalist this weekend, and I laugh at that again.
A few season ticket to order. It's free.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Sunday Sunday. They're totally wicked.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yes, yeah, I played that a few years ago and
a young guy called Danny Richards scored U a wonder
kick to winning fors.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
And apparent to him two ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Okay, that's what the speak of.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Okay, that's who the beats in the last game, wasn't it.
It was before the game last weekend, just gone, which
I thought it was strange because I'm for that team.
I played for the first team. Therefore the reserve team
surely is the third team. And then so they got
to a final playing the third team. There were a

(01:19:56):
good lot to work.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Will we do a bit of Rogan and put them?
Oh no, we can't come with Christal, No, I won't
won't be able to do that moment. Yeah, Tommy in.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
That week and it can claim that candy as well
as one of your games.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Surely winking of Doney.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
So we better playing the academy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
All right, Well, thanks lads, thanks to thanks to Steve Case,
no problem, thanks Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Chas, thank you. That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Okay, we'll see you in a month's time. I'm off
to get the antidepressants increased and see you then.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Come on nice shown head at the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Tommy button, thank you very much. Lick him stick, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Going to the screen. What's he going for day? He's
trying to keep the scord out

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