That Saints Pod 2024 Episode 9

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, and welcome to the October edition of That Saints Podcast.
I'm Green Punliff, and tonight we're going to pick through
the bones of the wreckage of the Saints season as
it's now over with us tonight or our Steve Beach
on the buttons again, given mistake, I didn't you're right?
All right? Stay offords with us? If you right and
Paul right, Well, it's over. Finally we can all relax

(00:34):
and look ahead to the next season. Tonight, we'll have
a look at the few games that have been there
that take place since our last show in September. We'll
look at the recruitment ins and outs, have a quick
word about the Women's final that a totally wicked last night,
and we'll have a look ahead to twenty twenty five
and what we can expect and what we hope to expect.

(00:56):
So where are we? Well, last game was last show
was the seventh of September. We were looking forward to
the playoffs and the final games of the season with
some I was gonna say yeah, I was gonna say
hope for a minute. Then because we had we had

(01:17):
Wire Away Lee Away coming up and a home game
against cass and then hopefully the playoffs, so it kind
of went according to plan. I think that we went
to wire on the seventh of September, just after the show,
and I was sixteen to pretty pretty dismal performance from
my point of view at that time. A couple of

(01:38):
soft tries conceded from mistakes, although we were tuning up.
I think I think that in that game with the
Benness John Bennison penalty, John Bennison has been resurrected, doesn't
he he has? Yeah, yeah, I'm obviously not playing fall back.
I think well in stud minded playing Yeah, and it's
done a good job, hasn't he? But he did, he

(02:00):
did the following work. Will come to that in a minute.
He played well.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
To say he's not he's not worse than Ritzen or.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Blake, No, no, it did. It's been a Hobbson's choice.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Got some qualities that they don't. Let's say that it's
not it's not a natural winger for me? Is that
weak enough?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
No? Not for wing, Not for wing. I think, to
be fair, that was the result that we actually expected,
anticipated that it could have been worse. In fact, couldn't it? Oh? Yeah,
a lot?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
But I think I think the word I wrote down
thisbe this one in the blog was insipidipid, and it
put us a real danger actually missing the sixth if
you think back to that time, it.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Did it made sure we needed at least another wind
did and at that point we had another win.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's the win we had Castle home coming off but
up which, as I can't come to it later, that
was our kind of ray of hope. But yeah, it
puts in put in a bad situation because soul For
and Lee were sort of creeping up on alongside us.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
But to be fair to both, so from me, they
came coming on with a starting the league, weren't.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
They I think will last last ten out or twelve, Yeah,
to get to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well then they blew up. Will come to that, and
then we'll come to that a bit later. Did you
get a look at this one point again?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
I thought we were there. I frustrating watching the game plan.
Everything we went out to do is a standard of
what we've done all season, and I thought it comes
to backs on the back side again with that game plan,
the same players it just for made him work and
then we're on to the other Like the other games,

(03:35):
in a bit. We've improved, but we we had that
we we always knew we had that performance in us,
but it was too late to show that. And it's
a shame we didn't show against Warrington the first time
round what we did the second time round.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, well we could will come to that in a bit.
I mean, there's not a lot to say about the
Warrington game. We were expected to lose and we lost.
I think if you go to a place expecting to lose,
you probably will oh yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Man, they were heavy favorites to beat us, I suppose,
but I think a lot a lot of social media
at the time the fans were sort of questioning the effort,
which is in direct contrast to what the coach is saying.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, and
it's not always the garest. If you lose that you
your players haven't tried. I think they do try, you know,
to an extent, but they're just not very good at

(04:22):
the moment. I don't agree with Wellens' messaging, which is
you know, nothing to see here, Everything's fine, dragon Like.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Clearly it's not.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
He's fair issues.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Is that another catch twenty two that he said well,
he's got to be careful that he doesn't criticize the players,
and then it get worse than what.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
It is because he did that earlier in the season,
and I think that backfin didn't it.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Then he went back on what he said to Heah
because he criticized him all Then midweek he went, oh, no, no,
now I'm not going to not going to call them
nothing here.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I can't see anything here.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
There was one week where he hammed them quite severely,
and then in the week I think the week you
you mentioned Polly said.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I didn't say it was gonna make changes. There are
times where you wonder had any media training is he
actually anybody sat down with him?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Don't you think he would have had? Because he had
such a long playing career, he has to be interviewed.
But he's playing, So I.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Think it's different. It is different, and you're normally winning.
It's a lot different, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
It was easy when he was playing because it was
a lot of success around.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't think he's that sort of person, or was he,
you know, from a media point of view, I don't
think that will change no matter how much training you
get into him. I don't think some people are just
great at doing media natural. Yeah, you know, some people
fait like Sam Tomkins at the moment what's going on
to the sky and the breath of fresh air. I mean,

(05:44):
whether you liked him and disliked him when he was playing,
when you listen to him talking compared to Wilkins, because
on anything.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Wilkins still trying to start with John Wilkins join and.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
He's sort of gone up, uh, you know, sort of
from extreme points of view way over.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
The sup world.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well or you can't get anything else of And I
think he's just worry of saying the wrong things.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I think. I think when Tompkins, since he's been to Catalize,
he's come back from down Under and gone to Catalans,
he's a lot more impressive as a I said, punned it,
but as a player really and when he talks and
I watched that show that its guided on and the
states of his knee, so wonder you can so wonder
you can't you know that next year.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Madness because he's saying it's resting needs, isn't it, rather
than you know, not a lot of stuff is what
he's been told in the past about you know, or
you can play after you've done like four weeks for his.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Building, remarkably tough and durable. That does. That was his heage.
He's about thirty five thirty six now.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
He's always been a fantastic player. He's a good, very
good speaker.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
I don't know if it's too early in the show
to say, but about Friday night after the game the playoffs,
I'll bring that up later on. So as good as
he is, and in and Wilkin if anybody wants to
have to chat with Ryan Oll and Burgess. I thought
that was disgusting for Sky Sports.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I saw a couple of bits on there, and there's
a piece of League Express on the back of that
Ryan Old piece because he said, wasn't it worthy? He
mentioned about that halftime Willie Peters had said, you know
you're doing this good, You're doing that good.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
It was the it was the Burgess no try for
me that Sam Tomkins and Wilkins brought up and then
started laughing about it. It was like it was a big joke,
which obviously Warrington has just been knocked out, but on
the back of that on a serious game, I don't
think any of a sport. You get two pundits, so
three pundits laughing at one of the players making a
joke out with potentially it was it was no try. Yeah, yeah,

(07:39):
it's a bit frustrating. But Tonkins is one of the
better speakers on Sky and again who will make another
pundit in the years when he retires his rhyano because
he speaks. He speaks very very well as well.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
And that's what the thing was all about, because what
happened a half times he said that what what are
I prefer is to be told what you're doing wrong?
You know where you can sit up on this. So
so he was disagree only disagreeing with the message in
the League Express it said, it gets blown out, he said,
he slams Willi Pieters. What he said was acs. You

(08:14):
say he's a great speaker, isn't he. Well, I'm quite
impressive Willi pizzas to be to be honest, the great
job so far.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, with what he's got anyway, you know, he's got
probably two or three top players, but not much more.
Not that not that you yea better watch than we
now talking of a good watch. We had a bit
of a good watch and a bit of a bit
of a bit of hope injected on the On the
thirteenth septemb we had Cast at home. We need desperately

(08:41):
to win and we did fairly comfortable win forty points
to four. My impression of this was that Casts were
already on the beach. I didn't think they were they
were going to come and make any contest of it. Really.
I think it gave a bit of a false dawn
for us, really because we got a couple of tries,
how tricks from John Bennison. I think Tommy got the

(09:02):
chance to score a try and in his last own performance,
which was nice. I think there was that because he
got his band reduced.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
One game in the end yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, and comfortable win against a team that had nothing
to play for.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
And I feel like we've done that all year against
the lesser teams Castleford. I know we got beat by
him earlier on the season, but realistically, when we played
Cast whole yeah, or left the London we've turned on
the points, haven't We somehow found out how to attack.
But then when we go play the bigger teams, we've
done We've not done that and we've said that all season,
but exactly the same happened again. We went to Warrington,

(09:38):
got a good idea, play cast at home and get
a bit of confidence, scored forty points and we think
the world beat us again, don't we?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think I think the main point that you're making
the Paul is confidence, isn't it. They've just not They've
just not trusted themselves to do what they they can do,
and there for the confidence sort of drops of sorts
of vicious circle.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I can't I can't remember a season where I haven't
wished the player to just rip the rip the ripped
the him sheet up and play players as see what's
in front of him. Play that.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I think there is a gulf though between the top
eights and that bottom four. They are noticeably weaker teams,
which makes things more simple the games. This was notably
the game though we all a lot of fans have
been waiting for where Wanga Blake is not on the
team and they never played again, as it turned out,

(10:27):
And so that was well, from what we seem so far, revolutionary.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And we've got going on about Bennison.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Okay, it's not a winger, but at least you know
he got in and did the tries you know he scored.
I mean some of the stuff that Whacker Black's you know,
messed up this season. You're thinking, you know what, if
you'd had somebody who was just basic constructure though, like Benison,
then you would have had.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Sense, like we said, as he surely. I think he
had one game in the year and everything went wrong
for him. But every player that you've got in your square,
he's better. Let's go on this next year. He's not
gonna be starting winger, but he's a very good squad player,
and if somebody does get injured, he can come in
and fill that place. And like like I said, you're
comfortable and happy that he's going to do a job.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
So yeah, I've never I've never disliked Bennison. I've always
thought he's one of those players who hang on a minute.
If he gets the right position, he gets in and
with they're running the right position, it'd be a good player.
And he just seems to get stuck on the wing.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
I think winger is I don't think he's I think
we've covered it a few times. He's not fast enough
for me to be full back. He's safe, He's safe
majority of the games he plays on the eyeball, but
I think he's just gonna be a steady squad player
on the wing and if we have any injuries he
can he can fill in.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, every team's got those type of players, haven't they.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
You need those players and salary cap sport, don't you.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
At the end of the day, you know somebody who
can play a couple of positions, who's not going to
cost you an armor Like.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well, we'll come to that because we're going to talk
about recruitment and leaving players in a little bit. But
I've got to We've got to come now to the
to the game. A game in the season which I
think was a defining game in our season. Really we
had to go to Lee and preferably we still had
I think we still had a chance of getting a
home tie in the playoffs. And a week later we

(12:21):
went to Lee with virtually a few back. It wasn't
wasn't we missed. We had a couple of let with throws.
What else?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Waldy and Mothers and buy Yeah were in the seventeen
originally and then Withdrew Little Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Anyway, for the facts were Lee eighteen Saints twelve. But
it doesn't tell the story of the game. I think
in the first ten minutes or so we had tried
this allowed Tommy makings actually a nice move that was
back to very good, very good, but Lochland Lamb had
had been shot about four for it's a real that
I don't really like. Lachland Lamb gets shot for my But.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's as black and white as if you run at
the outside shoulder. If he makes more of it or not,
its looking at it gets chopped off on it.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
It should be that that should be Cordy. You have
tackled the try scorer for me. That's not stopping to
try there.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
But then you're making a judgment call, which is a
bit more problematic.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, I guess I guess that's right. But it
kind of went down though from there because pretty pretty.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Soon with and that was a dodgy try as well
as tried. Don't know how to give that well it
went up as a no, there's no try. I don't
know how you can see from the angles we saw
unless the video of for we saw angle we didn't see.
But from the angles we saw.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, he hadn't cut his finger.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You couldn't approve that he granted that ball. You needed
a shot from the side. I thought to show that
the full picture, but he was happy with it and
gave itself.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, I guess, I guess if you were there.
I wasn't there, but if you were there, I reckon
you'd probably thought that was a try if you were there.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So you mean like benefit of doubts.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, it looked like he plucked it down, but when
you saw it on there from ninety seven different screens,
it looked it looked like he didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
If we had a benefit of doubt rule, I think
that'd be fair enough. But we don't do what we
ever now. We don't if he gives it. If he
gives no try, you've got to find a reason to
overturn that. And I'm not sure it has sufficient evidence.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, and then we got a little Telly try, which
was another another I think I think she only come
out of the line, come out of the line of defense,
and Moylan went through him and passed it around and gone.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Try having to play a center when in the last
few weeks.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, don't criticize him for that.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
It just shows where we are as a squad really,
that he has.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
To do that Yeah, you can actually see it happening
before it actually happens, can't.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
You caught up a few times. But he's had a
fantastic season, But I just don't get why. Again, selection wise,
we'd take him up the back row is his strongest position.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
And he's a star in the back.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Not put the like so Whitley or give Vaughan a
chance and play Whitley has had more chances at center
in Catalan than he has and he's played well. And
then you've got young Vaughan. If Vaughan plays like we
said last podcast, if you've got the likes of Van
playing around a lot of experienced players and he's he's
gonna look better than what he what he has done

(15:25):
in past week. So a different ball game then playing
in the back row and let him do what he
can do, and I feel like he'd be more exposed
and more have more of an impact on the game
than what he did at center when he got exposed
a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's that's one of my points. Especially when you haven't got.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You need, if you need metal tea in there, I
think if you haven't got something, because I think Wiley
and Bachelor are a little bit kind of rail, aren't
they a bit of flat lightweight?

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Both of them might have said in the past, ball
flying there and run lines out wide, but you've got
metal and soon and take the ball forward and attract
four or five players and potentially get the offload, get on,
get the roll on.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Bachelor's form seems to pop the cliff.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, Whitley has not done a great deal, but we've
not been playing the style of rugby that Whitley's used
to playing. Were Like you said, he's running lines and
cutting back inside. And if Whitley and Bachelor playing eighteen
minutes forward.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Looks like he's playing injured, he does.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
To be fair, we've put the wrong batch at the minute.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, exactly. The last few years he's been absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Struggled a bit for.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
His injury, but especially with worms. Didn't play against leader Matauchi,
then could act another another go forward and take more, more,
more battles up instead of just being stuck on the
on the flanks kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Got to say about bat He's turned into a penalty machine,
hasn't he. I think that's absolutely shovefuls away. But what
one bright point starting from that game as well? I
thought George del Amy has come on since the beginning
of the season. Beginning the season I was criticizing.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
He was running in he was too and hi weren't he?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
And he squirwreed up and gone chest on a bit
more and he's getting a bit more benefit from that one. Yeah,
he's still learning. I mean, it's still very young for
a proper level, isn't it. And and Stevens will discuss
them later.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
But I think I thought Steven's been unlucky to miss
out on a few the game the past few because
I thought he's been better than a lot of our forwards.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
M hmm. But anyway, look at how he gets himself
sent off for what was described as a great hit
on the commentary.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well on how many times I've seen that this season
where you see a hit and you think it's like,
perfectly legitimate tackle, big it like, and then next week
the player doesn't get up, it gets reviewed, we all
have to wait five minutes, and then someone gets simped
in for it.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I seen it so often. I don't quite get it.
Because Jack was clearly he clearly got banged on the
under on the chin there, and because he was clearly
he was clearly out of it for a spell.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, he had a minute there and he was just
like he had a minute to himself on his knees.
But part from that, like you said, if you want
to stay down, it's probably playing, wasn't it. Yeah, you're
not asking players to stay down. But if he is injured,
then obviously the automatically going to stay down.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It seems to hit under the ball first and then
forward through hit him under the g.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
But I mean that that that enabled us to get
back in the game.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Wall Well, a lot of people have said, I think
it's true that if we had the bad that advantage
of thirty us twelve, we might not score a point.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Ye, if there's a certain possibility would have been nilled here.
They stayed at thirteen men. We weren't scoring now because I.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Thought we wouldn't have scored it until we played him midnight.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Credited to me that that that tries scored was fantastic. Yes,
in the corner was unbelievable, But yeah, they stayed at
thirteen men. There's a good chance when not scoring all night.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
So I had another disappointing effort really, especially against the
league team that they've been playing well. But I don't.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
The tough. I thought the batter does in the forwards.
He didn't. He asked the pmmonium and the absolutely battered us.
Every time we got a forward running onto it, there
were three or four just clattering. Weren't they part? We
didn't part of the game. We didn't looking interested because
you're just getting bodied up front.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, I've got I've got a comment on that left.
We'll come to that when we look at recruitment and
what's gone wrong in the virtual commerce. But that was
there's the Wellens one, which one is? This is I'm
coming to the comment after the league game.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I'll leave it for a letter then, because I
was gonna mention that right now. But I'll leave it
to the letter.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
No, no, no, when.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I won't do it now. If you want you go ahead.
After the game, and we had some interview with Paul Lanes.
You've said it felt like the eighteen towel have lost
and Lee felt like a win for us, and I
don't understand. I still don't understand that. I still have
to keep rereading it.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
It's not the right messages for me, for a person
who's in charge of a club like Saints no, I.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Was feeling word, isn't that? I was like, what on
earth's coming up with that?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
For? Yeah, but it didn't make any sense either.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
He's done some bad interviews this year, but that was
that was head and shoulders the worst when he's done.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
So he brought we just when he thought he'd reached
the bottom. He found another depth there, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's actually a big thing because this is what one
of the things that went agains King going a when
he wasn't in charge of some of his comments work
made the fans turn on him a little bit quicker
you talk about to thumpers.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
And that kind of thing, and yesople get.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Offended by that. And then and so we've got to
be careful what you say, because he did the fans
out with you. He just hastens to your exit, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well. I think I think it's been very lucky. I
think that there's a lot of a lot of stuff
on social media, but generally I think the atmosphere in
the ground has not been too toxic yet. I think
he's been quite lucky.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
What we have had is we've had a handful of
games bigger teams, and then we've played the likes of
a cast or a Hole or London. We have We've
beat the team forty fifty l everyone's it's great, and
then we'll have two bad games and we play rubbies, turn.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Back again, and he's always got like an ant coming
on my horizon.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
He's badly done, just about enough to keep the job.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
They didn't make the six.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I think I don't really know what goes on behind
the scenes, but I understand that he's been given an extension.
Much earlier in the season.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I got told we've been given an extension, but it
was a question if we made the six. It still
wasn't guaranteed, so it was like it was a must.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
But wow, but to make the six by the sixth,
it's not it's at six this is only an only just,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well it is. It's the lowest we finished I think
since twenty seventeen. I think I don't think we've lost
twelve games that year. Then we spent the first half
getting thrashed every week with in the last days.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, that wasn't what was when you got to witness,
wasn't it? There is? So anyway we lost at eighteen twelve.
That le although we apparently we won, and we squeezed
into We squeezed into the six of the record of
fifteen wins, which I think, I think eight of them

(21:47):
were in the first nine games of the season. Were
actually we were actually top at the end of the march,
actually top after after we got.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
The top two to like the top five. Weather his
reason and then and then injuries started to.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Good hope, yeah, we'll just well, we'll tie you up
the games. Now with the playoff game we had as
a result of finishing sixth, we had to go to Wire,
which was always one we were we were dreading. I
suppose they've beat us comfortably twice this year already. But
having said that, we put up a basically a bloody good,

(22:22):
bloody good show. I think perhaps the best performance of
the season, absolutely apart from maybe home to Wigan in
that Friday, good Friday.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Game, but again that was against twelve men.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
For part it was yeah, so yeah, yeah, I didn't
they take the lead in that game as well?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
They may I can't remember off the score the Bevern
French call a try, but I'm not sure when in
the game that was. I remember seeing from where I
was sating and thinking he's not grounded that to ignore
that and gave it.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I should listen to you. Absolutely, we're have.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Won twelve nil. Imagine why they said, then twelve nil win?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
So I told you we didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Didn't just give me the drop.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I said, if we score, we scored more than twelve points,
we should win a game, shouldn't we. He did say
something like that, that's come out with his post interviews
this year.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
But this this playoff game was it was. It was
a good performance. But I say it's a good performance
because I think I felt at the end of it
that we've thrown it away.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
I totally agree. I thought that was the better best
performance to put in this year. And then you walk
away from that game frustrated because the errors we made
that realistically we lost that game. We gifted Warrington that
game with the errors we made and we controlled it.
Just frustrating that we got half way through the game
and we went to sixteen to four up was it?
And then we had no one controlling. I think lo

(23:40):
match give it to Dodge. DoD put a little grubber
kick in outs side of the sticks and it was
actual Dufty picks it up and runs thirty forty meters.
I'm thinking, why not drop a goal, take us like, yeah,
put a few points on the ball before half time
and just get as much as we can on a road.
But we didn't, and we've we've not adapt the last
few years. Anybody controlling the game, but it didn't help
with the stupid errors and now many, like I said,

(24:02):
straight from the kickoff.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well I've got errors as a question mark and discipline again.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Right off the kick off with Tommy which isn't like
him obviously someone that someone was in his face. But
we should be taking that and not putting ourselves on
the back foot, especially in the game that big.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I think there was at least one, maybe two instances
where we played the ball incorrectly of their own deep
in our own territory, and the scoring off except that's
one of them, wasn't it. That's basic stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And then I think they got the they got the
ball back in golden point time from in the touch
that that simply should have been put deep into the mission.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Johnny kick it made hands. Should we just got low
Max or Dog just literally straight down the field.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Johnny had it in his hands and he passed it
to personal, just getting down the field.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
But at this level, how does that happen? How does
it happen when you've got you know, we won four
in a row two years ago, were the top team.
How do you end up with the World Club Championship
over over in Australia.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Even when Australia we didn't. We could have put that
game to bed so much, so much earlier in the game,
but we didn't have to wait to Golden Point for
dog under pressure to drop it. It was brilliant to win,
but that game, so many games Saints have been in
close games. We could have put to bed a lot
earlier if we would have had a bit of game
management and dropped a golier or put them under pressure
in different parts of the game, but we've not.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
It might be ironic, but I've been calling for sayings
to play more expansively and open like, and it was
that that ended up costing us because instead of kicking
a boat down the field and being boring chasing him,
pinning them down there, we.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Tried to you know, yes, but we can do that
in the in the make something up. We can do
that in the regular season. Obviously, play game.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I didn't see what he was trying to do max though,
because at the end of the day they had cover.
It wasn't like it was short on numbers. There was
numbers there. So if we were short on numbers, let's play.
Let's go for him tackle. It was the last tackle
and we're trying to go round the winger who's on
the wing, And I'm like, there's no space there. What
we should have done is just put boots a balling
on tree around the end.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
And the thing is as well, about ten minutes earlier,
they'd stack that side by moving Perceval over to the
so you knew, you know what, all all your big
game players were all over on that side, so you
knew that it was always going to go over to
the you know that sort of earlier. So simply by
like you said, just put it, put it down the
middle in front of their post.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
But I thought person had been moved over to switch
Mattaucha because they were running riot on the walls.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
They went a few king went at him a couple
of times and.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
He went the wrong way, didn't they?

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Yeah, but it is different if you're defending out wide
in the centers, even though you're only a player or
two inside. If somebody's running that angle, you've got covered
either side. It's more comfortable for a back road to
take him than rather view in the centers, which I
do feel for Metauch at end the day because he'll
play wherever you want. But yeah, he's not a center,
and if you've got out and out centers running lines
add him, it is difficult because it's which which way

(26:53):
he goes, And then if one of the wingers are
going to come in protect Metaucha, then sometimes they'll be opposition,
won't they. So it was unfortunate, but I did think
that was one of the best performances, even with a
shed load of errors, including the ball from Daryl Clark.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
That was forgivably bad that I still play for well
Daryl Clark. It went, It went within a hand bread
of four players, but they.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
All left it. I don't know what was going on.
It's like literally everybody just watched this board or past them,
and I was like, does anybody get hold of it.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's like it's like it's like we've sort of lost,
we've lost how to play, We've lost I thought that
the memories of how to play in a big game.
It seems to me, it was like the Chuckle Brothers
player rugby. That wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
There you go, literally Warrens can't believe their eyes. They
were like, it's just really happening.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Because for me, they were out.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Once once we turned it round and got a couple
of tries on the board. The confidence from the players,
the confidence from the crowd, everybody was on board and
Saints actually thought we can do something and we did,
but we just didn't have that X factor to kick
on and just get an extra points on the board
and then stupid areas with them back in and in
that game.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
That the difference from me, and I'll still say, you
take George Williams out of that Warrington side and it
was a totally average side. He brings some sort of
unbelievable stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
That pass early on.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
He went behind my tount he didn't, but he did one.
What it was like round back of him, wasn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
You know, so you can't you know, you can't defend
that sort of thing, and yeah, the end, because that's
just as I say, you take if we had an
half back that could do those sort moves at the moments,
then we'd probably be in a lot better position than
we finished in at Sex because we just couldn't create
anything throughout the season.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Just the control of the game he does. Williams, you
get that with Sneed Williams. Yeah, and Michael Lewis and
a lot of players know, even Smith, Parris Smith got
that because he's Harry Smith. I don't think it's an
exciting player to watch now, but he's like a very
similar player to Mattey Smith kind of. But if you've
got Bevin venturing off you, you don't need a flashy

(29:12):
half back. But Smith will just organize kick when he
needs to kick, if you need to drop goal or
they're just under a bit of pressure, let's go to
seven points. We've literally Lomax has played now the last
ten years. We've not had that from Romack from day one.
I thought we'd get that from Dodd, but Dodg's not
really brought that intery game.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Even Well, there's two things with Dodd. One, I think
since his injury and his new contract, he's been in
self defense mode. Yeah, it's because he's rarely took the line.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Up, but even that is he's never really bossed us around,
and like when we've needed to drop goal, or just
kind of down put the ball into touch into the corner.
He's never done that.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well. He got dropped and then when he came back
he was playing exactly the same exactly. It just didn't
it didn't fit for me that there's something not being
right for my eighteen months.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Basically, it's interesting to see how he goes over there
because he plays the way he played for US game.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
He won't be laughing very long over there because when
when you watch other teams, you know the players you've
just said with regards to all sort of good organizing halfbacks,
when when you're watching them, you know their arms are
waving every points in the director you very really get.
You might get that occasionally with Dodd. I mean those

(30:24):
players that they're on it all the time, aren't they
pointing player where they're going to go? And then they
may do something so different than what because they're proper
to back themselves yes and do those moves.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
You look at the formation of Sulford with the Prilott
full back and as Hankinson now he plays exactly the
same as Bridley does. He fits in and you've got
the triangle when they do play the open teams up
don't they and the same with Wi can do it.
We've obviously got Field, French and Smith, but it's effective

(30:56):
when it happens. But we just don't see him like
we've done any that.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Really Well, let's let's have a look at that, because
I've just been I'm going to quick troll through social
media and the sports websites for reasons for the seasons
of wisdom, pills of wisdom which come out, and I
think they come out in four areas horrible, horrible, tough,
injury list as one, two, team selection and use of subs, three,

(31:23):
start a play for discipline. These are just the shining
These are the shining reasons we have been for once
better expression crap this year because mediocre, mediocre, generous, we've
been mediocre, mid table.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think they're all fast handing glove to a certain
degree all there because you get the injuries and then
obviously the players who've got to put in those positions.
I think that's what he has got it wrong a
lot a lot of times, you know, with regards who
is putting those positions he needs upon in and we're
talking score of pegs round holes, yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I heard him actually acknowledge that in one interview one
one time. I think he did have been revering when
he played James Bellow. I think he accepted he got
that a little bit, you if. But other than that,
he's just comment on doing the same things.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
But I think that yes, we've had a poor injured
bad injuries, but I think I had an interest an
injury list to keep more key players than you would
like a lot more.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, we've had, we had ten or more. It was
really difficult.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
So that's that's one we can we can hang.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
When you play a like conservative style of playing, all
you're going to do is try and grind it out
against teams. It makes it worse because you're not you're
not offering a threat, an attack and kill us.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I think one of us. Are you you as you
said that when we play this starting to play, you've
got to win because there's nothing else. There's nothing else,
there's no entertainment, there's no excitement, nothing is that especial.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
If you're saying to Gorge, we've got we've got a
DNA have been an entertaining club with thin team. If
you don't do that, you know you could be out.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Can I just battle that up with what's written in
the League ex Rest today from Wellans. This was Steve
Nibbertson that obviously interviewed him at some point and it
said Paul Wellins has admitted he made mistakes during a
difficult second season. That's and tellings in the club Legend's
first campaign in the top job, he won the World
Club Challenge and led the team to third place in

(33:19):
Super League and had a playoff semi final. This year,
Saints fell from top of the table in June to
finished sixth amid an injury crisis which deprived them of
many top stars. The playoff elimination at Warrington in Golden
Point was a respectable way to finish the season, but
a ten defeat from fourteen games in the second half

(33:39):
of the season. During that run, Wellans came under criticism
ication form and Wellens came under criticism from supporters, but
the club backed him with a contract extension and he
will continue to leave the side next season with helped
from new assistant coach at Lee Breers. Well And said
the biggest lesson he had learned from the campaign was
to lockouts all of the outside noise. He added, it

(34:03):
doesn't help you, and there's plenty of it. That's not
me having to go to anybody. That's people who are
intitled to are entitled to opinions. People cared about this team,
and when your team doesn't win, they're disappointed. That's the
nature of the beast. This, this is the rest line
of the lot. He says, my biggest learning learning is

(34:23):
to stay on task, stay focused, and stay identity driven.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well it's not that it might be, but the identity
is driving is different to what.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
You were class as Saints identity. Well, I don't don't.
A lot of the games have recognized the same. And
he's used that phrase quite a few times at the
end of the season here, I mean, for me, I
suppose that last match was the closest thing we've we've
possibly had so to having some sort of bit and
that's that's been desperation to a certain degree because it's

(34:58):
because it's knock out football.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
But he's only he kept saying that comments after the
lower team games, back to Castleford, back to all let's say,
back to London. We've come out of our identity again,
were playing the bottom teams.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, you need that against your wiggings and Waddingtons.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Okay, but we should. It's frustrating that we've left it
till the playoff game to show what we can play.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Well.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I know we've had injuries, but at least if the
lad's coming up, like we said in the past, the
academy lads or play entertaining rugby and anything. A lot
of the senior lads to totally academy lads not to
play them. Hang on a minute for that past. Just
take the tackle and then play rugby and the entertain
the end of the day, we're going to go out.
We've not got a strong team, then at least in
seeing the fans and just say right, at least we

(35:40):
can go have a goal that we've got nothing to lose.
The end of the day, we're going to play four
drives to drop off and a kick. We are going
to get beat. So let's go out and let's let's
play in staying rugby and everything happens. Because we've been
to cass Was it a couple of seasons ago with
the young young teams at me when then he turned
cast seasons ago?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah? Yeah, rtually academ lads.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, we played leads at home, didn't we a couple
of seasons ago pretty much for academy team, and we
literally took him to the end. It five ten minutes
before we we got beat, but we played entertaining being
straight away was like some young lad day coming for
you both. Since that was not saying anything.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I was watching a podcaster jerbs Gream podcast Don't You've
Said It? With David Furley, Absolutely superb, and the good
part about it was fairly saying was obviously I think
it was Millward.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
It was it was the coach when it first or
when it came for that twelve months. And when he
said he was on there for twelve months, is that all? Wow?

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Because it seemed longer than that bomb he was saying.
He was amazed, they said, because he'd come from a
culture word. It was sort of like all defense driven
and defense wins, grames this is and that he coming
to this culture word. It was I don't want it
were of that attitude. If they score ten points, we'll
score fourteen points. If they score thirty points, we'll score

(36:59):
thirty two points. You know, he said, And that's and
he said that was the team and that that should be.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
The same identity, wasn't it was so good.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, yeah, and that's what's driven. It's certainly up from
a super League point of view. That's what's not saying.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
It's no for exactly the academy had before. I didn't
make a point of it. There's nothing since then, but
because there's been some very good players coming through. But
the Academy play very open rugby. So when they're coming
to the first team, the should play exactly the same
way and then they just fit in and all the
teams play the same way. When a player steps up,
they should be able to drop in and play exactly
the same way as well as he's playing, or Lomax

(37:35):
is playing, or Warms is playing, for example. But it's
not I get it's injuries and there's not much experience,
but at least like sure something because anybody can fit in.
Anyone around this table can do four drives and drop
off and kick to the corner. It's just it's literally
standard what's been standard rug beach each week for us
this year, and it's not been good enough. Like I said,

(37:56):
if you if he's seen a bit more and shure
us a bit more, then fans wouldn't be an annoyed
because to be like, you know what, at least have
given it, give, entertained, entertained and stood up and been
counted four. But we've not done any There.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Are there are some that would be money that way
and calling naive if we did play that way. But yeah,
but I think the other thing is mill was had
the players to do it. He had longer, he had,
you know, Jimmie Lyon and some players that you know,
this team with only dream of.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
And I think to a certain extent we had. We
had to put square pegs in round holes at some
points in the season where there was eight and nine outs,
So there is a an excuse there rather than a reason.
Discipline is discipline again.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
With them without the ball, with them without too many
pies away and basic errors.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, which marks the last a couple of years we've
been squeak clean when it's like the last couple of
seasons it's been like, let's forget that and you want
kind of thing, even.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Like Johnny Long what's got himself banned for three months matches,
But I think that big the.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Rules are the rules difficult to get around that.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
But have we made the rod for our own back
and and not adapted quick enough.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
I think a lot of teams to struggle with that,
to be fair, not just saying, but yeah, you can
make an argument that we haven't. Too many of our
players haven't learned what's going on and tried to adapt
the technique in the game to suit. It's very difficult.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
We've had two seasons back rowers say. Everyone was wondering
I would sign like four or five back rowers the
reason why I have and was suspended.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Again and then taking for late hits.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
A lot of the time it's big because the ball
or kicks the ball and run into him even like
even like very gently and knock them over. Still get
a band for it.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
He got a daft one, didn't he The ball had
gone for about two seconds and he waited in that
wasn't that wasn't too long ago camera. There's that many
of them. I can't marry with you against There was
nobody worse than the mattive Leaves one a couple of
weeks back. And he just put his hands out. He
didn't push. It was sort of like a go I
leaned on it. I'd leaned on him, meant it was.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
It was a good warranting, yeah, because it was by
did the same thing and didn't get somepin but did
get banned and he didn't get banned, and I couldn't
figure that one out.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
It was figuring most things.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
The disciplinary system is whilst it has good intentions, it's
all to pot and.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
It's almost how I felt at the minute. It's the
referee into joke as well. Each week it's like I said.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And the video referee is getting even worse that Joe
b It was a disgrace.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
From like I said before, they're just the commentators and
Joe burd is just making a joke of it on
Sky Sports and laughing the reads off and thinking it.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Was one of the inn r lgram final if you
saw that, which was as well, I thought it was awful.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
But I think that was discussed in a lot more
serious comments than than the as you say.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
You watched an arrogram final weekend and then discussing it
and saying why it could be try and wipe my
not be a try, And they're having a full on
discussion about it, making jokes. Literally, the players are all
taking the piss out of each other, and then Joe
Murger is coming out with Pinocchio jokes and Sam Tomkins,
who's done really, really well, and I feel like it's
a breath of fresh Huran Sky sport just starts taking
the pisce. I'm thinking it's not it's not good for

(41:16):
the sport when you've got your head basically or commentators
just all having a laughing joke at the fact that, yeah,
it is funny and has been knocked out, But realistically,
that's your it, that's your team because it's a big
decisions like that. It's just changing a massive game and
not the team out for the season.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
And to be to be honest, it's that ruling, isn't it,
Because if he'd gone up as it was, you know,
a different way. Yeah, they get out close for the
video referee, is you know, sufficient.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Evidence exactly or even when it goes up just I
don't know. There was no clear view of that bo
going in union. If the ref doesn't give a try
and he's not sure, he says to the video is
there any reason I can't to order try? And that's
so much easier scenario for me.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
To which the answer would have been in this case, yeah,
because it isn't one.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I agreed, and I didn't. I didn't think it was
a try at first viewing literally, can you see the
ball on the floor?

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Give a try? And then at the end of the
end of the game, why is Brian Canney asking Burgess
come over and here let me just ask you did
you get the ball down? And it becomes a laughing stock.
I think, don't ask him the question in the first place.
Don't bring him over just for laughing joke. Just leave
him over there. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for
hooky how to be in the final, Yes, but it's
not it's not the way it should be.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
For it's not professional.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Talk of pin hooky or reminds me of a less
professional hearer with Tommy Martin's Foot of God remark when
he kicked the ball with the brook slowed down and
after about it, after the foot of God, there's a
loose ball kick at.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
The rug with him? Now, con't organizing the game and kicking?

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I remember about and I'm sure I'll tell you this
story before about four years ago.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
No, no, it's nice.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
It must have been longer than that's over eight years ago.
I phoned into the radio Manchester, phawning on a I
think it must have been a Sunday and it was
after that similar source of incidents as these two that
were on about you know, were the ball? You know,
was there a try? Wasn't he try? You couldn't see
the ball? You made the player house. So I phoned

(43:34):
in and I said, well, at the time, I said
that the footballers in the Championship were playing with a
yellow ball, because there have been some tests done that
showed you you could see it quicker.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
If they're doing winter.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I think anyway, it was it was visually easier to
pick up. I said, surely if we played with instead of.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
A white ball, we played with one of the because
how many teams playing yellow castle for I think we're
the only one I could think of, said, surely when
the ball goes down, you can identify that ball a
lot easier than Trevor Runs. Yeah, turn around and basically
per moved me, and they sort of laughed me off.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
From on whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Fast forward eight years, I'm in a car with Trevor
Runs and going to Featherstone and Trevor Ran says, hello, stay,
how are you doing.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm I'm Trevor pleased to meet you.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Trevor Yeah, fa and we get chatting and he said, well,
you said that I do a show with a guy
called Jack did And on Radio Manchester. I don't know
if I said, yeah, game, I said, yeah, I phoned
you about eight years ago. He said, oh yeah, I said,
what did we say? I said, well, line was on

(44:45):
about when you can't see the ball when you're on sky.
I said, when it's being grounded. I said, surely if
it was a different color, I said, than the you know,
the player shirts, et cetera. I said, I luminous yellow,
which there were footballs being used in the Championship at
that time. I said, you'd be able to pick it
out a lot easier, certainly with the camera angles. And

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he said, what did we say?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
That's you're basically both poop poo me and what He said,
I'm sorry about that, see, but that's the way it goes. Sorry, Sorry,
you stop listening to I've got to see is a
nice blot, though he only had two listeners left after that. Yeah, right,
let's let's let's let's move on a little bit. Let's

(45:29):
have a recruitment out and in let's do the outs
first out from Saints. We'll just two sets as the
whole show to everybody else, obviously Tommy making Some gone
to Catalans, Lewis Dodd Cone to Sydney Rabbit O's i've
kind of put retired or no news, we're not quite

(45:51):
we think he's retiring and I won't be surprised if
he'll turn up an our old club, though. Is he
from what he're just going into the building or the constructing.
He's got a job in that sort of Yeah, but
fair enough.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I don't think it was actually laying itself specific club
administrative role.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Fair enough. Sam Royal has left the club and no
confirmation where he's gone. I had a rumored Castle food book.
I don't know where that's it might be. He'll do
a job whereever he goes. Though. He's solid enough. Is
he's a good.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
He don't want to play, He's okay. He won't be
a starting back role for any of my teams. Like
I said, he's a squad player.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I think it's accentuated by the fact that we've got
so many other options.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, and then he looks, you know, oneer Blake has
left the building.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
What a surprise. I think it's probably the case that
it was always going to be one year, wasn't it
when it was because or not. But as it happens,
it hasn't really been, has it.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I think I think it's endangered next year's contract. That
way he's played.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
I did fear when there was talking and given another
contracts like please.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
One of the one of the poorer imports. I can remember.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
I like, really he's up there with the like Josh Perry,
and I think sometimes took a lot more. I think
he took a lot of more stick.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Time we got the wrong but generally he was poor.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah. I think whoever recruiting has got to say some
you know some. It was a bit of a panic job.
Letter in the window we've left it late says something
with your best performances on a Saturday night, not at
the March.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I think it was called Friday Friday. Friday celebrated the
victory behind Imperial.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Probably was our best one of the years, celebrating a
good Friday.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Ben Lane and McKenzie Brookley the two names of leaving
the club. Ben I think is a game and a
half is a half back and mackenzie book played a
couple of games. Did he play last season was forward?
He played Wakefield in London. I think Ben playing the
window made on. Yeah, here's a half back apparently according

(48:03):
to the Saint's website. So that's how those lads have
gone out and coaching got a lot of pressers, presenters
has left the building as well. He's gone back to France.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
I think that's a bonus.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Not well, yeah, well it might be who knows, who
knows who's been coaching? Who doing what?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
You will save? Wellens, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Well that's it now, isn't it, Because he's got to
do some stuff, because you know, fresh who's going out
with a lot of being given a lot of sticks.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Basically, well said, he's attacking coach.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
So a lot of people seem convinced that he's responsible
for them.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
More. Well, let's see what Let's see what gets said
and what happens when he's back in France. Yet respect,
you'll end up there, but it's we'll see who knows,
We'll see maybe they'll that's score the most points I've ever.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Scored when the grand filing three years understand him get
back in Super League because it will happened at some point.
Moren't that she will get back in a couple of
years ago. Now that these things aren't decided by you know,
winning games orthing pivling like that. They'll be back into.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
All right, let's try and cheer ourselves up and look,
he's coming in the positives, the positives. Yes, it's it's
a positive. Now it's a positive. Is returning hopeful to
the to the country and to his hometown from two
seasons assistant coach at the Brisbane Broncos, who had a
stellar season in the first his first year is I

(49:33):
think he was definitely attack coach there. Not so much
this year. Well, yeah, he's just had the sack, but
I think they've had They've had a lot of injuries
this year. I think key players keep the key players. Yeah,
the ex Wigan man's just took over. Maguire has got
the job, isn't he not like him? They'll have three

(49:54):
months of vestling.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Evinced that he brought in all that game did the
culture of violence, that wigging, It started with him. I'm
telling you all that, all that cannonball tackling and all
the grubby stuff that then he brought that.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I think I think Pete's more or less eradicated that now.
But that's he's improved.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, it's annoying that he's got really nothing about him
that you can really it's it's very difficult to.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Difficult.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
You can contest the fact that he's so nice as
that's something it's too nice for this annoyingly nice and
stop being nice.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Well what do we think Libres can't wait? So he's
playing a half back before this year? This year?

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah, sure, a long back, a bit of direction and
then someone can drop a goal.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
I'm not sure longer players together somewhere that the crediting
with Harry Smith's improvement in his kicking game and from
time at Wiggans.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
So even if you've got somebody who can do game management,
like Paul was saying, you know if you coach standing
to somebody that that would.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Be a good start for ten, wouldn't it be interesting?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
I think it's interesting. Will it be low max? And
well it has been next year six and seven to
think you think Sale?

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I think he'll be saying a low max at seven
sailor at six. Seen a lot of n R L is.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yes, I don't know what Sale has been doing as he.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Played at four back, he played when Wall she has
been injured.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
He looks quick. You've got to be in the pace
I can get we need that desperately. Yeah, but I
feel like.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
He's more Sailors, more of like kind of a a
bar become like French kind of play, because French isn't
really like an organization organizator. He's he's a very good player,
but he's not destructive any for me, if you're looking
for a miss out ball or you can throw a ball,
but he's not particularly fantastic.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
The ball in and his main Yeah, it's elusiveness.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
That's that's what the for his his game. He'll literally
to get any team defense and just just.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Pass.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, he was better when he kept all of it himself.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
But depending on who's going to be six and seven
for US next year, obviously low Max will be. But
if it's Wells by then Brees could work with him
a lot and get him man managing and try and
direct and get into the game a bit more. But
I've not seen a great dealer Sailor. But when I
seen him, it's more like out wide, And I don't
know if he will. He's very good balling and but
I think it'll be Wells being low match. But I

(52:32):
was saying, I still think.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It will help of that extra person see where every
players will help.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
I think we've got more options, shall we say?

Speaker 4 (52:40):
We've been crying out for pace, haven't we for the
last couple of years? And for next year we look
very fast.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah. At least Sailor's coming with Libreas. Libreas has sit
him for two years, been with him and been coaching him.
So that's that's a bonus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Carl Felt,
I signed right winger from the nor North Queens and Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Excellent player.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
And did he finish top try score this year? It
wasn't far off the certainly his club. I have not
given my record twenty I think he ended up with
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
The last few years he's been outstanding.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
If you're scoring twenty two twenty three tries in the NRL,
you're not rubby shying anything.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
That back on me about it is that he's the
same sort of age as to my making so so.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
But also he's been playing the prop forward last three
four years.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
That but he will be doing next year.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
If you're doing next year, he's going to come over
afresh and then when he gets that first drive he's
thinking what am I doing here?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I've just been used to scoring twenty drives a season
and then now playing the prop forward which he will
be more fresh than toy makingson.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Give me that, Give give me the ball twenty yards
from their line, not twenty yards from my line.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, agetting the ball, tackled one there his online money
and then it'll be Percival's turn to get smard and yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
But also for the passing the ball, there's no point
having two fantastic wingers in Murphy and Felt not passing
the ball.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, that's the next point. Lewis Murphy signing from the
Sydney that I like him.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
We said earlier in the year the podcast, if you
could go out and sign the player. He's only been
a friend playing the I think he's only played.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
One one game, but we had an a c L
in the first year.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
He follow recovered. Now on the pace of him, like
I said, and the performance he put in the Wakefield
before he went over to.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
He was looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I remember saying another time when he was playing for work,
I said if we could get all of him and
and at that time he'd signed to go over because
he would have been absolute super got to say about
Felt winger sixteen stone three pounds.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Guess what he'll be doing. I'll tackle too, and.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Tackle one.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
This afternoon, especially when it's freezing cold March. He's playing
as a prop.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Well, he must have been.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
A good player and.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Hopefully is all is a cient. Don't worry, Carl, I'll
be sorting it. So there we are at one point
I mentioned it before. We've got an odd situation where
the head coach has been given a twelve month extension.
Your new assistant's got two years, so it's a it's
a tricky situation there.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I think it would be difficult to publicly announce more
than twelve months. For Wellings. I think twelve months was
a stretch.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Possibly.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
It's also we have mentioned it, who would you go
out at the minute and get because there's not a
great deal of coaches out there to bring it in.
At least Wellings has kind of put his stamp on
the team. It's not been a good stamp. But Briers
is going to come in now and hopefully the difference.
He did a even though he was only coaching at
Warrington for a short period of time, they improved. Then

(55:46):
he went to Wigan and made improved mass refer everybody
at Wigan, even Pete A. Lachlin, Tommy Lula. Why everybody
spoke highly of them, didn't they? And you said how
much of a difference, Like you said before Harry Smith.
A lot of the players come out and said what
a difference he made. So then he's gone to and
Iralan got two years and his belt. If he comes
back and does that, then again he could save Wellans

(56:08):
his job of he if he turned round and.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
He could take it.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Next question, We've signed three backs, we haven't signed any
forwards and we've lost met out here. Do we need
any more signers? Do you think we'll have anymore? I'm
not so sure we will.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I think it was Barbi personally to give Warmsley two years.
I think he's looking a bit, you know, ragged at
the minute. He's injured quite a lot.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I did. I did make a little note about can
we trace our lying on him still? Can we trace
our demise back to the the Cup to Me final
last year when the Grand Assa finished off Parsy and
Warmsley because they without them to busting old and and
powering away. We've really struggled.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
We had warm the lee starting didn't when we had
Parsy and he was on the.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Bench Stevens last season.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Last season, the wingfield wingfield w be like a new
signing next year, but hopefully as a clear run of injuries.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Shoulders with shoulders with him, isn't.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
It again like you said, Warmsey and he's a pump
pump through the line and make the oars and then
you have a party coming on in wingfield or whoever
it was on the back of that coming through then
doing doing a bit or damage. So I think we
need to get back to that. Out of four solid
forwards for me next year, we could sign a prop
forward out and out big prop forward and another center.

(57:44):
I think we've done really good business.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I don't know whether we've got the salary cap available
for that, because looking at what we've lost and what
we brought in, it's probably unlikely. I think a center
is essential on it. I well, Conrad hurl is still
on the books.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Intent it looks like staying. If he's he takes up
a quote spot Lot's issue in it. But I do
I'm not fussed on Conrad staying. If he's gonna be
a squad player.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
What you want him as a powering forward as a
centron attack.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
And I know a lot of people I have this
conversation of our group what he has around the changing
room as well, and a lot of people say that
jumping games. But when you've got a close knit team
and he's he's laughing Jo, Yeah, he's a good player
to have around the team for me. But if you're
going to start him at center, I think we need
an out and out center and then Conrad as a

(58:34):
like a backup kind of squad player, and I think
I'd be happy with that forwarding center for me. I
think that the business this year will be fantastic.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Like a center, you, I think we need someone who's
a little bit quicker, I think, and comrade and more.
It's hard to see, as you say, Conrad playing a
full season has been over the last few years, so
I think we do need to kind of move him up,
try and move him on and bringing someone to replace him.

(59:04):
Whether he replies him this season, I don't know, but
it's not far off.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Anyway, When we signed Conrad, it was only as a
backup anyway to hop in Perconval anyway, wasn't it was
injured every every week.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That's Percy one playing sixty percent.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
That's the other issue that you're not going to get
a full syson, not a personal So if you don't
sign a center, you've got nobody left.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Yes, you need an out and out center Conrad as
a backup. And like as a backup, you're not fused
because when he when he's on it, he's handful and
like I said, he can defend when he wants to defend.
It just depends when he chooses. When he got ball
and handing your twenty meters out was no one better
than scoring a try. And to be fair, he'll trap
that many defenders that he'll put the center in for
a winger. Yeah, and to be fairy passage through center

(59:46):
more than Percy.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Does, well, that's that's a that's a problem for our
wingers exactly.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
There's no sign two brilliant wingers and then having centers
to jump.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Pass except that well has been Lomacks do a very
good cutout pass.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
At a minute. All the opposition has been onto that
cut out because it's half the time length.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
We're always getting caught on on defense with teams getting
the ball to their winger and where they just leave
the winger on the wing because they know women who
cuts out past.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Oh that's the blueprint for beanos, isn't it get the
ball wide as is as possible? Run around us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I mean, I've got no coaching badges, but I could
see that from from from anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
And then if we do, if we do for the
ball out and do the miss out passage doesn't work
with plan B. Just havingn option inside, just anover option.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Have some good censers. Yeah, anyway, highlights I've got I've
got four highlights this year that the breakthrough for and
is that yeah, well you'll see why Harry Robertson, Noah Stevens,
Johnny Vaughn and Whipby. I've got his first name, George.
Why Yeah, sorry, George. I think they've been excellence and

(01:01:01):
I think they should have all been fed into the
team of six months earlier in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You think's ready, then you think he could play him
center and not worry about getting new one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
If I think if I think he needs to run,
I think like if if he's if he's probably the
second row who can play center, he needs to be
playing center for ten games.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I've seen him more at center myself. But it may be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
He's been second row in the reserves, in the reserves,
and he's a top he's a top player in the reserved.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
The second roe in the reserves necessarily a second.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Probably not possibly, but you know, you need he needs.
He's only twenty twenty one, is he I still young?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Got time to Yeah, yeah, but I'm just not completely
convinced that I would put him in there now. No,
and I've been playing regular, but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
That you don't want to be fed into a team
in the wrong position really ideally.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
That's that's been you think he has been.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
I think he has been. You know, I think he'd
been better off with others around him to to to
We've said that with.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
All the youngsters really, because you've thrown them all out together.
There's been Yeah, it's it's it's hard because you need
the youngsters want to progress. But if you're throwing too
many out at the same time, which we've had to do,
that's been our fault. They've not shown what they can do.
But if you've bred them one at a time or
a couple of time, if you had the choice to
do that, then you see a completely different player. Because

(01:02:22):
if you've got Robinson playing with Wellsby in low match
he looks a completely different player than what he's doing
with like the side of Blake and Benison on the
other side.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, but I think Harry Robinson, for me, has shown
he's got what it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Takes fantastic to be fair, you could do as similar
to what Wellsby didn't play center for.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
A season, but could you know with a stone on
and a and a full time contract, don't you think
you might have center written all over him?

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Wellsby did, and he Wellsby did fall back, half back, center,
wing over like two three years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
That centered our Wellsby that good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Any might be an option? Who knows that might be?
That might be where he starts next year. George Whitby,
he will, but I think he could if he's Yeah,
George Steve No. Stevens to me has been our standout.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Debut debutant this year because he's involved most weeks now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Refer I thought he might play a bigger part in
the end of season what he did when we did
get some of the big players back. For me, he's
been better than Parsi and Worms and he's not featuring
in the end game today as much as what we'd
like to see him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
George Whitby. I think his debut and sky Are scored
a try to kick the goal didn't look out of
place for me at all. He was protected a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
In that game, and that was doubted that game, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, certainly was. Yeah. But he's ready, He's eighteen, he's ready.
Here's good enough playing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
You know the problem is is that probably Johnny Loan
has to be bed blocking him this year, won't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
He Because you've got sailor in Wellsby as well. To
fit in those two you have to play because they're
your best player and you knew all start speedy recruits
and a lot of bad I think because of these,
because of who he is club captain, all that been
there that long, I think he will find the player
to play to get him in the team wherever that

(01:04:11):
might be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Probably half back Jake Burns. I forgot. He seems to
Jake Burns as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I think he's established.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I like him, like him. I think they've got a
chase on him and looks good. Bill got them by
as well, who may be keeping him out if everyone's fit,
has the coach.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Clark and buy and then obviously Burns.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
But you've got that, you've got the position. Then of
is the coach going to play the youngsters if he's
got his first team that are not necessarily informed play available.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
I think that's a big question, Breeze and attacking coach,
which he'll have more of a saying if the players
playing a certain way in the academy that should be.
Then if we've if we've not got as many injuries,
that player just steps up and fits into one position
and then he doesn't stand out as much when he's
surrounded in more experienced players.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
It c only helps them when they just drip then
in rather than yeas, and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Surely you've got players like law Macks and Clark for
starters of that sort of age where if you're going
to be playing games against the lower ones, for instance,
that you know you would hope that that like, okay,
we can put them in there, and like you said, Paul,
surrounded by some experienced players who can no sort of

(01:05:30):
given that a little bit of confidence as well, it
then gives you more legs in the likes of Clark
and low Macks going you know, further extend their availability. Yeah. Yeah,
for for me, I mean this is an naice thing
to say, but has been captain made it harder for

(01:05:51):
low Macks this season.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
His own physical Yeah, that's the issue.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
It's so fun now because it's been so good over
the years. He is aging now. But is that responsibility
too much from at the minute?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yes, you need to concentrct on his own game a
bit more. We'll remember as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
This is a block who's played with horrendous injury for
years and years, so you know, I think he's just
getting a bit you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Yeah, it doesn't seem to be. He doesn't seem to
be that vociferous on the field to me and and
control as much. I think he probably needs to. He
didn't get that from Robby really led by example more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Than he did by you know, shouting the odds.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Yeah, that's going to it's going to be interesting how
they're going to filter them a kicking game, so our
half facts this, you know, next season will say paid
George because he can do the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Best kicker we had this and buy by a country mind.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Yes, but but if you look at it logically, it
hasn't been massively different, you know, and I'm sure it's
it's again going back to coaching, what Dad's been doing,
the fact that I think the fact what you've seen
from them by you've probably got more rugby ard of
him in the sense of the things that he does
rather than just his kicking it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Well, that's going to come from next year, Like it
just said, it's for me. I hope they'd come out
and say, right, there's gonna be our six and seven
next year and stick with it and said like if
it goes wrong after the first month, that's not slopping chain.
Just stick with it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah, because new half back pairents take to take a
while to jail. Yeah, okay, right, let's have a quick
look at the Women's Super League Grand Final at the
totally wicked Yester afternoon. Fortunately Saints went down to York
Varkery eight points to eighteen. Was that it was yeah, yeah,

(01:07:47):
I did watch this and fortunately, after a stellar season
where they won league legally this year and the Challenge Cup,
they couldn't quite get over yourk Varkery at home catch hey,
forgot to catch the ball, forgot how to catch the
ball of Fortunately, but a plethora of mistakes cost them
the game. And I think York's got two tries from

(01:08:10):
dropped kicks really just to drop kicks, giving up possession
and then over they went but like bombs. Yeah, but
they dropped about from memory about six or six or seven,
the game off really well, lovely tried from leam Burke.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Yeah, and I thought to be faur they did. They
did that really well, that move that they kept putting
on and they were grinding it out and I thought
they were getting the winning possession early doors and then
it just it turned it's after half time and then
it just rapidly went down from and iause Idy didn't
catch a cold, and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Yeah, it was just unfortunately so two or three of
the girls just couldn't catch a.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Few big big girls don't there as well? Who comes
steam rolling through which yeah, they looked like the pattern
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yeah. They were a massive park, got a couple of
X players in there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
The only it's beat says if you don't well York Yeah,
first game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Wasn't yeah yeah, and last book ended the season anyway.
Congratulations with a great season though, league leaders and Challenge Cup.
But I'm lucky yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
As we always argue, Graham have to be talked about more, right,
win the league that should be.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
The big money should be win a lot more recognition
than it does.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Absolutely, and to be fair, would you put that art?
Would you put that at all? Drafted with the gents?

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yes, I've always said that with the Challenge.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Cup, don't they? So would you not be follow suits?

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I totally agree. I think we should. Yeah, whether it's
happens should be. That's the two big games in the competition.
It was it was and it was ann throwing game.
It was a good watch.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Crowds half thousand, five thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
What is the argument against that? Are they worried that
people will won't go in early for it or it's possible?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
But I think probably worried about the pitch that Yeah,
well I don't I don't know. It doesn't affect Challenge
Cup final? Was it because they played there? Hm? But
they could play it earlier but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It would be batting forward it because the six before.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
There's no reason might come kick off for three or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
But I just wonder whether they were worried that people
would still be at the Bob and not going. Blake
said they have bed Wembley. It seems to work.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
So all right, let's round off with the Grand Final,
but we are not there a final. Yes, there's a
Grand Final on Saturday. We're going to ask all k are.
Let's add your predictions. I've got two items left. This
is the first one. I can't see past Wigan. I'd
love to seek win it. I would really love to

(01:10:43):
see win it, but I can't see past Wigan. I
just think they're too strong in all departments. I know
where Okay, I'll have Minchella back. I think he's back
after a baldon. He's a he's a big player. Mikey
Lewis needs to concentrate on his game and not get
involved in whe'm or whatever they call it. But I

(01:11:04):
think I think it should be a good game.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
I think it all depends what turned up. I just
hope that they come out and played rugby because Catalan
last year played rugby all year, entertained, they got to
the ground final and decided played percentage rugby anything yeah,
and then it went dressedly wrong from and Wigan. That's
all we're gonna do. We're gonna't come out and do
anything fantastic on Saturday night. They'll just play percentage rugby
and there's ope for half a break or a mistake

(01:11:27):
and field or French fittball up, I kicked the corner
for Marshall. We won't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
If you try and beat them at that you probably
won't be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
But if come out and play rugby and entertained, which
you have done for nineteen percent of the season, then
I'd actually back hook for an upset.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
If they believe in themselves and play the type of
rugby they have with the offloading and the follow up
for the support play and everything, and and Mike Lewis
plays what's in front of him, I think they've got.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
If he plays, if he plays to half half the
standards played all season, because I think he's the best,
will be the best half back on the pitch. As
much as we say French is a very good player,
is a very good individual player. I don't think he's
a player like a team player. He will just do
something off his own back. But with Lewis and May,
I think they're half combination. They're half back combinations better

(01:12:15):
Wiggans d half back combination.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yeah maybe maybe. What do your thoughts on where the
where the trophy is going?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I think from a sort of head point of view,
you've got to look at anything wigging you know, because
of that experience, et cetera. But if anybody was going
to cause an upset, it would be okay, I'm just
just say it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Would be wigging by what maybe a tried that's all.
It's a classic, which would be a ship It's a
classic for Saints fans. Your heart.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Yeah, I think we're gonna pay if okay, I come
up and play Rugby, then we'll fingers across.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
You've got to say within the space of harmony. It
was a space of a couple of hours. Okay, I'd
sold ten thousand tickets.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Yeah, I'm in the Okay, so that's a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I'll be watching on Telly Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I just I just haven't got any faith in the
okay are yet. I think if you remember last year
the semi final and they were even in match then
and everybody was like which way they're gonna go? Wigan
just tore them apart, fear that, Okay, are come the
big occasion, won't quite have it in them to match
We're gonna do we know, are gonna be monotonous league
you know good? Yeah, like efficient, So to beat the

(01:13:34):
team like that, it's gonna take a heck of a performance.
They got it in and got the team to do it.
I just don't have much fear that they're gonna perform
on the day. If they do, then yeah, I could
be closed, but I don't they will. I thought they
get beat by twenty plus.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
But then if you're a right rewind a month when
okay I went to Wigan, it was only two symbonings, Yeah,
split the game because other than that, yeah, okay, I'll
win that game. Yeah, so if okay, I go out
the same tactics and again it was in a big game,
so Wiggan didn't put anything fantastic out there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Just that was that when Wigan without French and Field
though back from the back. Yeah, but it's it's it's
even if Hull Car have the confidence to play.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Whole, Car has got to come out and play. If
they come around and play percentage rugby like Wigan will
then will get beat. But if Car come out and
entertay and then anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
It's hard to make predictions when they retackles are potentially
card These things change.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
But again, this this playoff system, the refereeings completely changed
what sen Ale season.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
It has been a lot less strict, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
World Cup Challenge at the beginning of the season completely
ref differently, playoffs reft completely differently, the final the Challenge
got final ref completely well. To be said, there was
two yellow cards, wasn't there, But that was refed differently
until the first yellow car come about and then they
had to give the setting so even out. But it's
always the case in the bigger games and in the
international games and be ref completely different. What we've to

(01:15:00):
know UNCP league. That's what noise the fans and the players.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Okay, let's let's wind up with one your best wish
for next season as a Saints fan, I'll put you
on the spot. I'll go first. My wish for next
season is that Libris gets a free hand with our
attack and we play some entertaining rugby.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
What Wellens has said phrasing who's been our attacking coach
the last two years? So crazy to have the full run.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
But that's that's I hope. I hope for next year
is we see some entertainment back. They're totally wicked.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
What about it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
What are your thoughts are the same thing? I mean,
I think entertainment is okay. Badly needed in this team. Now,
the last two years have been a little bit like
I mean, last year it wasn't a bad because it
got covered up by the fact with finished third and
and that's respectable. If not, it's not the goal as respectable.
But this year, I think not having that entertaining style

(01:16:00):
of player and being so mediocre and average, it's been
so much more noticeable. So for me, entertainment is at
least as important as winning, if not more so, because
I think said before, if you don't entertain and you lose,
then you bother.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
All they want to do is game and be entertained,
and we get beat. We get beats. Like we've said before,
go back to those Saints DNA of U score four,
tried to les go five and if it if it works,
it works. If it doesn't, least you've be entertained. And
nine times out of ten if Saints do play rugby
like we did the weekend against so we can before
last kame warrant and we sure we can. We can
entertain and we start the players there this year to

(01:16:40):
do that, but we just we've not. So yeah, just
a bit of entertainment next year and for the signs
we've already signed looked very good. So we've got to
play rugby to keep them entertained and a prop forward
in the center, top and off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
For me, it's just more threat in our attack. Those
players ring us, your murphys and your sailors should bring us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Yeah, it's very similar to what the Lad's been saying.
But it's an old thing which we've we've probably not
had as much over the over, certainly the last five
or six years. Is that let's give the wingers the ball. Yes,
let's you know, we just purchased too good. Let's let's

(01:17:21):
give them the ball, you know what I mean, to
at least have a chance of getting in because you
know the amounts of times you know, I mean, going
back even down to the Jamie Lands, I mean, you've
got school top wouldn't pass, you know what I mean.
So he wasn't getting any censer so he couldn't get

(01:17:41):
it out. But yeah, purchased two good wingers. Let's get
the ball out of these wingers and let's see if
they can.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Some good tries. Well that's the beauty of being a fan.
There's always hope, isn't there?

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
With the Warrington game, wouldn't it have been easier if
Matt personal doesn't it that curve conversion the sideline one
second absolutely nerveless and then then five minutes later he
checking it into touch and this Mark personally.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
That's been the Saints fan, isn't it okay? All right? Well,
thank you lads for an interesting year. Thank you Steve
for all the work on the buttons. You're welcome mate
you and all that. Thanks Paul for your debut season debut,
season on debut. Thanks Steve for your eloquent input to
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Thank you, pleasure is always.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
And thanks also to Aid, Gaz, Darren and anybody else
been on and it. Thanks to that, lads, I'll think
we'll see you next year and let's have a good rest.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Bye bye, Come on nice Sean head the corner, Jobby,
But thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Lock a chick, it's going.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
To the screen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
What you going for me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Thanks trying to keep the score out.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
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