That Saints Pod 2025 Episode 10

Saints are back in business! This week on That Saints Pod, Graham, Darren, and Gaz swap tears for cheers as they break down a trio of impressive wins over Leeds, Salford, and Hull. The lads dive into what’s suddenly clicking for Saints — sharper attack, solid defence, and a bit of that old swagger returning. Expect analysis, banter, and a healthy dose of cautious optimism as the panel looks ahead to what this purple patch could mean for the run-in. Has the tide finally turned? Tune in and find out — only on That Saints Pod.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, I'm mc grain cover and welcome to that Saints podcast. Well,
who'd have thought it? Three out of three since our
last show. He's here to discuss. Well, what can only
be described as a bit of success is Darren Ridby,
we're a bit thin on the ground tonight with some injury,
some injury injuried doubts and some holidays and our state

(00:29):
who's having a bit of a bit of trouble. So
get well, soon to stay So Darren, Hello, Darren, Hello, Hello,
Gas that is on the way. I'm assured so he's
going to come and have a chat with us tonight.
Welcome to the listeners, and uh, it's it's nice to
actually start talking about three, three straight wins out of

(00:50):
three Darren show.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it's we were saying just before we started want
me it's it's it's nice to come in and you
know we've had we've had three good results there and
you know we're on the back of some decent form
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, yeah, a bit of a settled team I think,
which has been a big bug bear recently that we've
never actually played a settle team, no matter whether it's
a it's what you call first team or whatever. It's
actually the same guys, the same seventeen or eighteen who
were actually played for the last month or so, and
that's obviously had a big difference. They obviously trained together
and they've got a bit of a cohesion and consistency.

(01:30):
I think, I think we have to give some credit
to the coaching staff there to get these lads playing
the weather they're playing.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I think obviously we mentioned on previous shows where
you know, I think that the real like downfall this season,
or the real lull or low if you like, was
when we played Leads at Magic. Yes, I think that
was a very poor Yeah, that was that was really poor.
And you know, the fans some you know, distasteful behave

(02:00):
of you there, and you know, we a little bit
out of hand there, didn't They Everything sort of got
a bit out of hand, as as you say. But
since then, we we've looked to rebuild and and have
a bit of focus on on getting the team back
to where we sort of need to be. And you know,
certainly the past couple of weeks, I think we've certainly

(02:23):
shown that we are capable of mixing it up.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I think we had a little bit a little bit
better on attack as well. I think the defense has
normally normally been quite good. Yeah, And I think we've
just started to show a little bit more in attack.
And I think that's probably down to the return of
Carl Felton Robertson, the signing Cross who slotted in at center.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I think we didn't he.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Didn't play in the last game, and and and the
emergence I would say of a young going Dagnall who's
slotted in and doesn't like he's been anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
To me, yeah, I think I think you're right there
with with the players that you mentioned. You know, Dean Craft,
he's a solid player for me. He's not our starting center,
but at the moment you know he's playing, he's playing well,
so you know you've got him, You've got you know, obviously,
when you've got a fit Mark Percival, Harry Robertson's back

(03:18):
in there now, you know, then you've got Owen Dagnal
thrown into the mix. And well, they certainly not looked
out of place.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
They're still Murphy and Wellsby to come back into the mix.
Obviously Percy as well. The things are looking up in
the backs at the moment and Sailor is is it
like a man is like a human to me?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Sailor's got Or has been
getting a lot of stick from you know, a lot
of the sections of the Saints fans now said it
before on this show that these players come over and
they don't they don't just turn it on straight away.
You know, you look back in history that probably the

(03:58):
one standout player that I'd say did turn it on
straight away, it was Ben Barber. But everyone else, you know,
you're looking at Wigan. We've mentioned it before, Bevan French.
It took him a good season to to find his
feet give fields and again.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well I feel with out for the first year at
Wigs as I can remember.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, you know, he found he found it tough, injured.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Early on and never got into the team after that.
And that's first season. But look at him now. I
can't think of a players hit the ground runners, but
Barber did because he was only.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think he was Barbara and certainly like Jamie he was.
He was another player that you know, you'd sort of
look at it.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
To be fair to Jamie, he was. He was a
genius player, but he had a bit of he had
a bit of him. But when he did, yeah, and
he took a while to get going.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Down at Pimmys and to know the past, I stood
behind him. But but yeah, in regards as Sailor, I think.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I've always said as a player there he is.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
A decent player and you can see the promise there
that that's that's that he's got in it in his
in his bag.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So I'm pretty sure he's one of those players that
has to play in a confident team. I think he's
every team's got him, you know, look at look at
Jake Connor in that example is a prime example. And
the team that's struggling is going to cost you a
game after game, isn't he of course.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Because he's one of them players that will get frustrated,
he'll throw his stories out of the pram, you know,
and when the team's on the back foot, you know
he's the one that way. But yeah, I'm happy with
Tristan at the moment. And maybe that's because he's moved
back to fallback. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, I think I think even though when he was
playing on the wing he was cutting, he was coming
inside and joining him moves and just wandering off the wing,
which is fine by me on attack because if you're
not playing to that wing, he might as well be
support on the other side. You know, absolutely, he's obviously
a quality player and a good thinker on the game,
that bit of pace as well.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
What I like about him as well is I think
he was interviewed after a game on Sky Sports and
they mentioned about his different positions, and one of the
things he said is he just wants to play, you know,
and wherever he's seen that that's where he's needed in
the team. That's where he's needed. And that attitude and

(06:28):
that mentality is what we need in the team absolutely,
because you know, especially with like sir Jack Wellsby, the
Jack Wellsby is our number one and that is his
best position. We've put him in at six, We've put
him in at seven. You know, we tried.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Those experiments worked for a little bit, but didn't work,
and they'll never work in the long term.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Not long term. They're just a short term fix. And
you know, obviously Jack's unfortunately injured at the moment and
that's opened the gap for Salor to go back to
full back. But he's certainly his own the you know,
I can't argue with that. When when he when Wellsby
comes back, I then don't know where Sailor is going

(07:09):
to fit in.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
If everybody else is fit, it's a potential it's a
it's a headache and it's a potential problem. I think
when you look at the recent games, Sailor has been
instrumental to he's been pride scoring, he's been great, and
if if everybody's fit and firing, it's a question it

(07:30):
does he get in? And whatever you think of the
way it's going, I always think well and Paul Wellens
will be conservative in his selections. I don't think he'll
be I don't think he'll turn around and say, sorry, Johnny,
I'm bringing Tristan back in, or he'll he'll say he
won't bump anybody out for Tristan Sailor.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
No, I don't think he will. He didn't bump and
buy out for George Whitby.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
George because he's got a He got a head knock
against Salford before we just before the last show, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, if you wouldn't have got that head knock, I
think one hundred percent would still be Team Yeah. You know, so,
but in.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Another way, that's a good sign that if you if
you bring somebody in and they played, and they played
with some form, what we can argue whether what the
buying by is showing at the moment is a good
form and is what we want, is certainly probably what
the coach wants. I don't think he's setting anything on fire,
is he?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean that must Cat's got to be the oldest
half back pound in the league, hasn't it seventeen?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's certainly one of the slowest.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oldest and slowest. Yeah, I mean, Johnny makes up for
him with his brains obviously, and and he's tackling and
and he's kicking. Now, he kicked reasonably well the weekend.
But let's have a look at the games that we've
we've h've been played since the last show. We were
just just before last year. We were just for the
Leeds game, wasn't it, And we were a bit reticent

(09:04):
about that. Actually two years leads leads are showing a
turn up in form and it turned out to be
a cracking performance in away eighteen to four to the Saints.
Just for the record, tried from Dian Cross owing Dagnad
and trists and sailor against one try from Young Lum
on Leeds two pens and a conversion from Carl Felt.

(09:28):
But it was it was a strange game because I
thought Leeds did not make some mistakes and errors. Whether
they were whether we pressured them into that is another matter.
But it was one of those where I think they thought,
oh they were going to come and win this, and
they were complacent and they thought, hang on a minute,
Saint are up for this. And yeah, they were played
with a lot of cohesion.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
What one thing that we mentioned was that, you know,
there's been this real disconnect between the fans and the
club and the team. And one thing that foul and
one thing I took home from Leads at Leads at
Home was the connection seemed to be back and the

(10:09):
fans were backing the team. It was like that. It
was like Leads. It was like playing leads of old
were by. The fans turned up and they were hungry
for success. So they were singing, they were chanting, they
were screaming forward, they were screaming offside that everyone around
the stadium just seems to have that bit more bite
about them to get the leads.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, the crowd up as possibly, Yeah, you know, because
it does make a difference to the players. I'm in
the crowd, becaurse.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It does because if the player, if the fans are
on the players back then it it doesn't you know,
it gets it gets them up, doesn't it. You know,
it sort of like gets their back up and they're
thinking only fans and they lose concentration, they lose confidence
of these concentration. But one thing against Leeds when we're
at home, I did feel that the bands were singing,

(11:01):
they were backing them, and they were confident that, you know,
let's let's all stick together and get this, get this win,
win together. And that was that was a great, great
thing that I took away from that game.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I think one of the one of the things that
I was particularly impressed with because I had to go
back and watch it again because that long ago. A
key moment in that game was Harry Robertson chasing down
Ryan Hall. Ryan Hall was a clear run and Robertson came.
He must have given him a thirty thirty hard start
and caught him by the line and tipped him over

(11:33):
into the into the end goal.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Here well, probably a D and Gas sat on the
sideline with their pron sandwiches, probably had a better view
than I did, stood in the in the in the
home end behind the sticks. But when when he got
the ball and I thought, here we.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Go behind them before all would it?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, Hall got the ball. I thought, he's in here,
no one, no one stopping, and you sort of look,
you sort of stand back and just look at the pitch.
And I saw this, you know, Harry Robertson coming over,
and I thought, I mean, he's got a chance, he's
got a chance. Never did I think Harry robertson the side.
If you put Harry Robertson next to Hall, it's such
a mixed mismatch. But he grabbed the ball around it

(12:21):
and turned him over and then for the other players
to be backing him up to absolutely you know, roll
him over that sideline was was absolutely brilliant. I was
just I was just talking about you actually Gas with
with with your with your brown salvages on the sideline.
But yeah, Harry Robertson's tackle there was absolutely outstanding.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
They turned the game round.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think it did. It didn't And like I said before,
with the confidence with the with the players and the
fans backing them on that game. It just lifted the
atmosphere again. Everyone got behind and everyone was cheering, and
I just that that moment in the game, for me
just thought, you know what, that is what we want
from a Saints team, that the absolute desire to get

(13:10):
to get us over the line.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, I think it might not be over exaggerating a
little bit, but a moment like that can turn your
season round. Yeah, of course I can, because because once
a player has been seen to do that. Yeah, that
that determination to stop that try was almost better than
him scoring a try yea one hundred per seconds. Not

(13:33):
long after that, then Dan Cross gets the breakthrough with
a lovely try.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well he showed too dummies there, didn't he Deane Cross
before he went over and you know he had a
lot of work to do there. And this was saying
before about Cross, I think he's a good player. Yeah,
he's a really good player. And you know, to have
him in the team is that maybe second choice, third
choice center. I don't know what he's going to be
at the moment, but to have him in that team

(13:57):
right now is you know, is brilliant. Well obviously he's
injured now, but he wasn't at the time, but it was.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Although leads are clearly one of the form sides, we
actually proved that we can make them look second rate there, absolutely,
and I thought we were from that moment in that
game we went on to be I didn't think we
were going to lose that.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, I fully agree. And again I come back to
the crowd, and you know, there's times there where leads
were really rocking us and they're really putting pressure on us.
But what I love about home games sometimes, especially when
the fans are there, is if the away team are
under pressure, they'll be cheering every tackle and it'd be like, oh,

(14:43):
bang or bang, and it might sound stupid, but it
lifts the players just because then the players were right
with the crowd behind us to make that next tackle
and make it. Nine times out of saying you forced
the error, I think that showed it against Leeds.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And our exact proof of that that crowd, they get
a whole kr when and they've got a you know
a Friday night match where I was watching. I watched
their game the other night against the Sunday against the lost,
and the crowd, their crowd in that first half got
them six agains and got them, course got the penalties
and something must have had a word with the referee
half time saying what's going on here? Yeah, because it

(15:22):
was definitely evened up in the second half. But we'll
have a word about that and and a bit later
because I think it was an important or interesting result
that as was the as was the battle of the
bus stop for the for the pitch pitch because on
Friday nights. So that was a great win against Leeds
and and and really really encouragement. Unfortunately the next game

(15:44):
was Salford. Now we've played Solford three times this season,
We've think we've wracked up two hundred points nearly haven't
done our points and I think the other teams are
a little bit uh probably possibly annoyed about it.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
What great?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
What can you do?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
One thing I would I will say about that is
when when you looked at the fixture list. I mean,
I've never been a fan of the loot fixtures. I
think it's an absolutely fast you know that you play
teams three times and you don't you know you play
other teams twice and all that rubbish. But one thing
I will say is when when you look at the
fixture at the start of the season. Not one team

(16:23):
would have gone, bloody ellse Saints have got solf for
three times? What an easy job that will be? No
true because because one hundred percent everyone would have gone,
Saints have got solf for three times. Good luck with
that one. Because they are our team.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Last last season's team. Would we were worried about.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Plenty probably beat us three times.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
You'll certainly get there at them.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Didn't, but they've been decimated, they have, and we've got
one of them.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah. But for the record, how felt hat trick just
to say that to Jake Burns, to Owen dagnal, to
Clark and nose and seven golds from Jay Lomax. It
was a game where they did well in the first
twenty minutes. Then I took the foot off the gas
a little bit and picked it up in the second half.
But you can't do I can only beat what's in

(17:08):
front of you. I think, are we on the whole game?
Solford game? Just say first absolutely, at least you can't
really say much about it because we did a job.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
We did a job, but do you know what with
a sulfur game, and you know, obviously we played them
twice in a month. We played him at start of
season and that was an absolute whitewash as well. But
I'd say this the last time we played Salford. In
this game, I thought Salford had a bit more bite
about them and that has obviously now shown against Warrington,

(17:51):
and I don't know whether that show is more about
Warrington or Salford that you know they put up an
absolute battle against Warrington. But for fair play to Saints,
like you said, Grahame, you can only play what's in
front of you.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Three games eighty four, eighty two, eighty two, forty six,
forty six and fifty eight and what's gone the other way?
Eight maybe four?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Four? Not bad for our goal.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
They say job need's doing and we've done a job
three times absolutely all the clubs haven't, so you can
do in it. The young kid looked good, is it
Sam Hill? He looked they had a bit about him.
That wing who's got there?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Four? Yes? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I think I think he's on the loan from Leeds. Yeah,
because I said to our Paul, I was like, we
could do with signing him and it's on loan.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Just but if you look at just turning on its
head look at the job that Rowly and I gets
you're doing to keep that first place. I was at
the Stafford Getta you go.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, I feel for their fans because they're going to
matches knowing full well they're going to get comfortably beat
and there's probably the only season ticket old as there now,
but they are still going and I hope things turn
for them.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I hope things turned for him, because the full of
admiration for that.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I supposely when you go away watching Saints lately, although
things are probably changed that we're winning again, but if
you're gone watching Saints six weeks, we've had some pitiful
turnouts at Salford Warrington, so you know, the fickle comments
certainly sits with us for sure because times have got

(19:31):
hard and these a lot of Saints fans have clearly
died Saints till I die. They've all died them because
they've gone tragedy. There's about two thousand and three thousand
Saints fans have died in the last six months. It's tragic,
but but yeah, so I have full of admiration for
Saltford fans, especially the ones that came to us as well.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Even more admiration for them because that text.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Some day knew they were going to get dusted at
Saints and they got dusted and some of them, not many,
but they still came.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
It was sad because they didn't even open the away
and did they And they put them in the corner
where the V is in the stand. Yeah they were
sat in the V. But you know, you do feel
sorry for him.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I mean, you know they're down to the merry band
of brothers, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
So you know what when it comes good like for
us that these away matches were, you know, when we
become good again, the fans that went well enjoy it more.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Didn't when when we played them at Old Trafford they
must have had twenty thirty singing them on there. It's
what they can do if they end. I don't know
what's gone wrong there and why.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I think, well, you go back to the Willows. Don't
you think that was the demise of Salford when they
left the Willows? You know? And I feel sorry for
the Salford because Saints are a club that can with
with old move in a stadium because they still get
the good fans. It's still in a good location where
it's in the middle of the town center, so it's

(21:00):
accessible for people. When Salford left the Willows and went
to the ag went to the aj Bell one, it's
in the middle of nowhere one. It's on one of
the major motorways in the country, and you know, it's
not accessible at all. I mean, it's getting better with
the links that they're now putting in there, but they've
had what how long have we been there now, like

(21:20):
fifteen years or something twelve totally we moved in the
same season that Sulford did because at the time it
was franchise and we were told you were in two thousand.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
And nine, that we were this for a year.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I can't remember two thousand and even eleven was eleven. Yes,
we moved into twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Times because we were playing some horrible stuff then under
the Plant and it's just awful. Then again that a
lot of fans died off then as well.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
That was horrible. That was an awful.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
We used to go, we had to travel to witness
and you're going and then they will be terrible and
you go, oh my god, just on the.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
You can get the right seat.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I remember singing. Witnesses are not very nice. Place I
want to go home every week week. I swear, I'm
not like, yeah, you've got to feel for them, you
really have, No, it's yes. I think that was because,
like you said, when we went to the Willows and
you used to get eight nine thousand.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
There was a hell of a test go into the Willows.
I do remember that.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
That was a decent when you when you look at
the Willows now compared to the Jungle, And I know Weightfield,
I've only just done their stadium up, but I'd say
now Weightfield is probably now what there's level of the
Willows was great, you know, and you think about that
and Sulfur could still be now at the Willows and

(22:44):
yes it's a bit of a dump.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
It was a great clubhouse. It was like.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Vertinally challenged, like me massive steps.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
My mom and dad talk about the Willows chicken in
a basket thing before obviously, but there was a social
after games and things. If you wanted to watch, pay
fifty p or a pound to be a membery it
was like going into where the Phoenix nights, wasn't it. Yeah?

(23:17):
I think yeah, I think that's that's that was certainly
the image listen to the A J Bell or whatever
you want to call it a great, great.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Stadium to its just not It's not really insulted, is it.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
And they've never they've never pulled them crowds up above
five six thousand and since you know, and I think
they've they've lost a lot of diards there.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's a shame because died as well. It's like Wakefield
had dragged themselves into the nineteenth century. But you look
at the likes of Castleford and that isn't it. I'd
rather go to the jungle.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Than the Castleford like it Castaway, you'll love it. Noseley Road, Yeah,
I don't know. Do you know what's still in Nosley Rod?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
But but as a as a as a modern it
isn't It's no, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
No, it's awful what.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Happends at half time?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I can still do that Vegas.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
That yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, But you know that's why I feel sorry for
Sulfur because they were forced into that and that's where
I think came. Whether whether that's right.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Or Nevill's trying to take it off them now he's
desperately trying to get his Salford City Football club.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
But isn't that isn't the training to be done that well,
you know, trying to swap swap stadiums.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
They're trying to because well never wants it and he's
been not back twice but he won't give up.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
No, he's probably got print or something.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's more in sulfur it is.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think it's it's a ten thousands, ten thousands which
just suits Alford down to the ground. A swap. Yeah,
I think that's got it. It's logical. Whether it can
happen is not the matter. All right, Well then that
was a job well done, shall we say against Sullivan,
but we had what I would have thought. And then
looking last week was a real test going to a Hull.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Can I just say one thing about Salford before we
move on. I went to the Red V because it
was on the Sunday, wasn't it sauted And I went
to the Red V bar and I've been banging on
about the club doing more and before the game and
bam bam, bom bom bomb, And I thought, you know what,
it's a Sunday afternoon. I'm going to go to the
Red V bar and I'm going to go and have
a paint before the game and see what's going on

(25:31):
and for credits to the club. There wasn't a great
deal going on, but maybe they're trying to start something.
They had Jack Wellsby and Murphy coming to the red
V bar an hour before the kickoff or forty five minutes.
It was for a chat with Mike Bennett well and

(25:52):
I thought, do you know what I s And I
was having a paint. I got a pizza from the
lady that was selling the pizzas in red V bar,
and I thought, you know what, fair play? And they
were just answering questions, having a chat and then they're
having photos with the fans.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
And they've also done the music thing on the scores
and they've done the music exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
For me because I noticed that as well. They started
playing and if it was a bigger game, if we
were playing Warrington or Leads or Wigan, and the fans
are really up for singing and that because obviously it
was a bit of a Salford but they actually played
the players songs.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, thank god, there's a bit of re engagement going
one hundred percent. And do you know what, whether people
listen to us or not, I don't know. Whether it's
just a coincidence, I have no idea, but I thought,
you know what that that game though, was a was
a I'm proud to be a Saints fan again.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I am going to die now.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Absolutely always did the red V bar. For somebody who
sits in the North Down, it's a long walk. Can
you just can you just go in there?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you don't have to be a fantom.
You have to you have to qu up though.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
You can't get in with your prone Sandwich membership.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I'm a North Down, not South stand What about West standards.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Where you.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Can just go in? Then I can't stand up for
well at my age, yeah, I can't afford to have
a pint before again afterwards now if I go over
a pint and I need to pay at twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
But under so the game, I know I've missed it completely.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
And I don't know what you said about Sailor. We
we're a discussion about Tristan Sailor.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
And and as you know, I was pretty anti Sailor,
and I'm not mega pro Sailor now. But what I
would have to say is, over the last two or
three weeks.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Is your mind starting to change he's.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Got very very fast hands and he comes it line
and it's gone and yeah it's scored a good try and.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's got rubber try against Leeds to in the game.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
He did him last minute there, And and so do
I feel if everybody's fit, I still think it's it's
it's down.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
He doesn't get a game from me if everybody's fit,
but it does for me. But that's isn't it.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
The only place he's played now is six and we
haven't seen Whitby and Sailors together.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't know, but and we don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
But but what I do know is he's coming into
lying well from full back really well. And he's and
he's passing well. And what a lot of these tries,
the speed of past that goes through.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Him, it hits him and gone again. And he's playing.
There's a what did I watch on the Saints? It
was it was what's his name? Then the guy that
come the guy with telling his accents that commentates, oh
shoot Pike. Yes, he was commented. He was actually saying
he's been involved in seventeen directly seventeen of the last

(29:05):
it's eighteen nineteen tries throw score five of himself.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
He's throwing that miss out pass in the right time,
not like Coot used to do.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
It was like fist.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
It's more like dollied over at tasketball.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
But he's dangerous.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Like the leads again, the guy catches it that goes
completely the other way, of course, and teams are going
to start planning for it.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
But but he is.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
He is distributing it quickly and he has been certainly.
But he could only go better, really, but he has
been better we have as a knocker. I would say
over the last two or three weeks at fallback, he's
definitely significantly improved.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, well we were saying, we were saying before that
we didn't think of a player who'd come from Australia's
who's hit the ground running apart from Ben Bar. But
he came halfway through a season, didn't he not not
doing pre seeds.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
I mean the other day about Lion Lion tucky games.
Did he Pollocks take eight games?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
He took about two weeks.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Was brilliantly also brilliant straight. Ironically, Year two laying wasn't
as good Year one. It was just incredible.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
We reckon. It took him six weeks to get back
to fighting weight.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
But yeah, but the thing with the Australians, you can
only get him if they come with an issue. They're
really really good ones. They come they come with an issue,
don't they.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well they do, don't they look at lying and.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Don't just saying the best to like Lion Barber, they
ever come with an issue or the thirty three well,
and the ones with an issue, the ones you want,
they've got super talent. If you can just get through the.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Issue, well that's that's a problem, and that's just something
we don't normally do. But we took a risk with
Barber and it paid off. And I still believe he
should have stayed. Oh God stayed again. He never played
again And I was talking to my that about the
other days. It's one of the absolute tragedy because he
was like, I'm so glad that my Joe saw him

(31:06):
because that I'll never ever forget that castaway match.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
In the course with the last try, I went through
the entire team and just put it down in front
of us.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
He literally was one of them tries some ninety hours.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Is one for you though? Would you not have them
in Lochlan Coot?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
What for to get Barber absolutely all day.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Percent. Bar was like, yeah, jic to watch, yeah he
was he was.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Office.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
It was great and was great, don't I'm not knocking
Lock and Cooter.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
He was great.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
He was rock solid and he's got He set up
loads of tries and he scored loads of It was great.
But Ben Barber was like box.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Off he was but right, I think, sorry, I'm going
off on a well tangenty now breating, but I think
Ben Barber right, So Wigan have got an issue now
is everything goes through French. Everything went through Barber. And
I was saying this to one of my mates and
worker who's a Wigan fan. His name's Gats as well.

(32:09):
You don't know what he's on about.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
All he was going to stay as well. Well, well
he doesn't sound like a top but he he.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I was saying to him like everything goes through French,
and when French is not playing, Wigan struggle and the
last season he struggled. Now the struggling, well.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I've got I've got a note here about about what
was going to bring it up now? Ok, are without
Micky Lewis and wigging without Bevan French both lost their
games and I'm just thinking, hang on, these are If
those two don't play, they've got not much play back
to the levels with everybody else. For me, Leads are good.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I mean the night the night Leads played us, we
was really good.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
We was really good, and they weren't.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think they came that night because he won six
on a row of five on a row with some
supre marry and they.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Got caught out.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think we were up for it, and we pressured
him and late brad Arthur. I think Brad Arthur would
have killed them over that. They turned up all the
kr and and they've delivered and uh and and but yeah, yeah,
without Mikey Lewis.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's the same point as Ben Barber, because I remember
when we didn't have Ben Barbara in that team, which
he's gone and came.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
He no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I loved watching Ben. He was absolutely superb. You know
what he was doing on the pitch, I don't have
a clue, but I like watching it. But when he did.
My point is when he didn't play, Saint shruggled and
you couldn't tell that it should because everything went through
Barber at the moment, everything goes through Mikey Lewis. At

(33:48):
the moment, everything goes through French, So having that sort
of caliber of player is exciting when he's on the page. Absolutely,
But at the moment with Saints and Leeds, they've got
a good team and then you've got a lot of
good players. So my point is, would you rather one solid,

(34:09):
absolutely outstanding?

Speaker 3 (34:10):
We're finding the asked me what I would You can't
ask me what I wanted Ben Barber to stay because
it's it's yes every time. It was just a joy, Joe,
you excited when you came on news, like, what's it
going to do today?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I would have liked Coot to fall back and Ben
Barbara in the ars.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Maybe maybe make a structure and stability.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Ben was spontaneouity magic well as would have probably coxed
it out of it.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Stop this bed, Ben, stop it, stop it. We've put
the bomb up. You just spoiled the tenor of this show.
We were just talking about how we're settling down in
the coach in box at the moment, so I just
random comments, let's talk about away. Last week I was
in a bit of research on it and I thought
it's going to be a tough test this and I

(34:59):
realized they're not one there for a year, literally not
one there for a year, and I thought, oh, might
not be as bad as I think, And lo and behold,
I think thirteen six was one of our not so
great performances. I watched I've watched it back now, the
whole match, and I thought we weren't great because we

(35:20):
could have we could have done a lot better.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Well, all I'm going to say is I've not watched
it back on TV. And I started drinking on the
coach at nine o'clock in the morning, and I thought
we were awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Sponsored by Oh No, that gives me. I think it
was many drink This is just for the record for
my notes. How many how many drinks as you have
by the time the kick off?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Well, I bought a pack of ten, and at least
five of them are gone. Then we stopped at Whole Marina,
which I didn't even know existed, but it does.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Used to be all the Docs Whole Docs.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Now we saw mikeyl Lewis and Minchella. Yeah they were
they're having the coffees. It's a few chants from the
fans as we walked past. So we had at least
four pints there. So now I'm on nine and they
had at least three or four at the ground, so
I think I probably yeah, probably great.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I promise you darn. It wasn't that good. When you
look at the highlights and they've got one minute fifty,
it wasn't a great game from what I've seen. It
was a win and a solid performance is from what
I've seen.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
And what I'd like to mention is the defense because
I think I've mintioned it a few times on the show.
I'm going to mintion it again. The aim and or
Carol's doing a phenomenal job.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
We said we're happy with the defense before.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Because the team's constantly changing. It's not like we've got
a consistent team. And yet we're not conceding many. And
I think that old team has got a lot of
good players.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yea, all go, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I know they haven't want it, but they're gonna start
winning it on me anytime now, any time. And the
other points i'd like to make his Felt. I think
Felt's got something like eight nine tries in three games.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
He's got fourteen fourteen in nine.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, but the recent games he's scoring two to three
a week and the ones at home. The second one,
especially where he's jump he's took the ball.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
He's a tremendous leaper.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
He's simplievable in the air, and then and then if
and then he finds an angle on a way to
roll around and knock it and it's too big to stop,
and it's just did.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
You see the one he got the ball almost in
the line and try to go round the corner flag
to score.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, he's just he's just unbol I think if you've
got within like two three yards of the line when
he's taking the ball, probably nobody better. He just pushes
him out of the way down or he spins and
puts it, but he gets that ball down. And if
you're watching a NRL, loads of his tries are like that.
They're not coming in from sixty yards, they're like, he's

(38:02):
catching it in there.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Line is a top track.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Spanows everybody, But what's impressedble as well? Yeah, yeah, he's
a good kicker and he's also strong. So how many
times now in Superlege you see where the defense try
and bundle them over the side they already and goes
over straight on the floor. He's like, you're not getting
me over that?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Sideline and kidd Lewis Martin is a really really good
winger and he just man angled him out the way.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
And didn't even know he was playing. Was he playing Martin?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
He was. He's beginning to realize he can't coming next
time watching the matches. The toilet on them coaches.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thank god there was Yeah, my best friend.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Honestly, all right, before we look at the next couple
of which fixtures, which are again I think season defineing
will have a quick look at something I wanted to
talk about in the week because this Josh Papali or
Papaalihi rumor has surfaced again in Australia. Certainly not not
so much here that he that he's on. He's on

(39:10):
signed for Saints for next season and maybe the season after.
Now I like the look if I've always thought he's
a tremendous player at Canberra and I really highly rate him.
But I was, what do we think we need? We
know we're losing Bell Bachelor and Noel certainly possibly Hudor
would believe him. I don't know, we don't know any
details yet, possibly by what we kept on I'm quite sure.

(39:33):
Also there's what there's there's about twelve or thirty. There's
about twelve that were out of contract at the Saints.
Now I was I was gonna. I was written down,
what do we need? What do we really want? And
I've written down definitely a good second row slash thirteen
and another center. I will keep saying we need the center,
we need, we need a person who can play center
wing of kit of quality. But what do we need

(39:57):
because we're going to be pretty pretty sure possibly the
first first.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Thing on that I think this guy and I can't
pronounce his name. I don't think he wants to come
and reading stuff lately. He's playing State of Origin this week.
That's the standard he's playing. He's back in the State
of Origin team. He's saying to Canberra, I think I've
got more years in me, but they've not made him

(40:23):
an offer. I think we are a reluctant second choice.
I think we're a reluctant second choice. However, turns out
that that's what happens, then we're getting ourselves a State
of Origin prop which is fantastic and it doesn't matter
what ages if he's fitting still at that absolutely the
second one, the one that I think we should go,

(40:44):
and I totally agree with you. Center Connin needs to
go because she just doesn't play.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
And Percy, god love him, he's out for six weeks week.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Gives too much of himself and gets smashed up. So
the one I go for is for Pratt from Wakefield.
He's the next big one. You know, I was screaming
all years about Bloody Wardle. We didn't get him, Why
we didn't get what he was? The kidd he was
at wigging Guildhall to get him. He's just so frustrate
and then Kieran went to wigging.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Why didn't we get him?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
All these centers are coming and gone and he's the
next one.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Pratt.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Pratt, definitely, he will not be at Wakefield long term.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
She's far too good. I suspect he might be in
Australia the way the way he maybe, but he is
that good and he's really really good and we should
referst to the table to try and tick because we
need a center. Percy has not got much left. Well.
The thing with Percy, I love the bones of him,
but he's going to be out for ten games a season.
Roberts has already been out for seven. It seems to

(41:46):
be a curse position at Saints is out for long
about a month. He's done his four weeks. Oh my goodness, well.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Connie, God knows what's happening with Connie.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Well, I've got a list here of players that should
or are going for me. Whurrules at the top because
I don't think we can give him another contract John Benison,
I don't think he'll be fortunate enough to get another
contract in do you know what it pains me to
say that, because I really like him, I think you down,

(42:21):
never lets you down. But I just he's never not quite.
He's not quite. He is a Castleford stalwart.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
He's not quick enough to play wing and he's only
positioned for us viable positions fall back and.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
The Yeah, he's like your sort of Castleford level at
the moment to you know, work as he's the starwart
player for instance, a great great player. But they're just
not if we want to win stuff, that's just not there.
Obviously got Bachelor, well we think he's him and Bell

(42:58):
are going to to.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Hal got a three year deal at all.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I mean the whole fans must be watching cringing.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
He's got a good agent and sensational bachelor and bellgoing
to whole, Knowles going to the n r L.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Good luck to them is giving everything, giving everything.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
That's all fault Morgan Knowles. And then obviously Vaughn and
Samboo going to the other side.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Good going to the dark.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Apparently they won't get a game between them.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I don't think they will. And then obviously I've got
ritten because I don't think we'll see.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
A stay at Barrow. Now He's never never for me,
he never got a chance.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
But if one of the big successes of recent times
is dagon All, He's fantastic, and dagon All is good
enough Murphy's fit, he might not get back in Dagnall
is enough.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Darren and I were just debating whether he's got the
size to become a top car dis center.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Possibly community be a better center than he is a wing.
Possibly possibly because he is definitely a first team player.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
You know, remind him of in certain ways he runs.
He runs like New Loved It in that in that
style of running, well, he is a solid runner.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Eighty has been banging on about dagonof so long. You know,
he's been saying how good this lad is and my
god he is. But in that in that mix of
players that are or aren't going. You've got and by
Palsy and Burns. I like Burns is a good lad.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
He's got something about him Burns.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
But he has.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
But if Burns is not staying, we then need another hooker.
We do because we've only got Clark.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Clark's thirty four next year, isn't.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
He I think Burns should be. He's not going to
cost a law and keep him around job. Burns a
cracking player, and we've had this, having this this healthy
and by debate and without doubt. For me, it's goodbye
and by without doubt, without doubt because it's old.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
He's and thinks he's been given another deal.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
But well, I hope no, because that's poor management for me.
I said an ar group on Adian that the lads
I said, okay, so what if we if we say
we're not signing who else in super a good come
for them by because I don't believe anybody in the
top six would come anywhere near him. And he says,
what about Warrington? I went, they're not in top six? Yeah,

(45:34):
but he isn't. He doesn't offer that much. But if
the point that Dardan made a great point, if you
want to win things. Are you going to win things
with them buying the team?

Speaker 1 (45:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
You know, well the song that the Saints fans are singing,
the bloody go into all Trafford with them. By knows
them by, But I don't think we are because I
don't think he is good enough.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
And then you've got Whitby.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
We know it is the which is the future put
and By there is taking up a quota spot.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Definitely, So for me it is bye bye and By
absolutely a bit of him by getting a name out
donald you know, yeah, but just play him off, just
get rid of him. In private sector business, he'd just
be got rid of. You'll be more nimble manager team.
Probably Whatington signed players like that.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
What's more disappointing that this past weekend for me, and
I know a few of the other lads have mentioned
it again, is that m By was picked over Whitby. Definitely,
And like we said before, Whitby would not have left
the team.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Hi, yeah who you would still be playing. But he
was playing in the reserves this week so it was
obviously fit to play.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
He's fit to play. So why you know, it's like
the weekend before they said, oh we're going to give
whitby another week. Well, don't put him eighteenth man and
just keep him mind the reserves, don't keep Yeah. So
for me that then is like come on, well, come
on you you're doing at the moment so much right,
And we keep.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
That problem that he's too conservatives, so we try to
keep he will keep them buying for Lee and Leeds.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Now he got when he got Croft and coming at
you Connor, maybe not so much Connor, but you need
a bit of something around there, Johnny, and then buy
and we.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Might get away with it against Leeds. But I'll tell
you what when we played the league, we played with
them by their last season and we got disaster shrounched.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
So if realistically are you, are you in the same
boat as a top prop and center top prop replacement
for Morgan and center place Morgan c Yeah, I think
we're unified.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
In center has been lacking for a couple of years,
has been lacking for about five years.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Now cover and cover good. Annie Robertson stepped in and
because he's just brilliant. Well, I think I think his
future at center with another another stone On, I.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Think do you think that's what I'll stay? I think
I think he's a fullback, but but you.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Nice options. Well, ironically, Wellsby as a kid was a
six and he's found his home. I wouldn't play anywhere,
but fall back to I think a Robertson could be
that good. He will be could.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Harry Robertson absolutely unbelievable player. And we're so fortunate at
the moment that when you look at the future of Saints,
you've got like we have. But we have to keep
them first and foremost, which I think, well hope hopefully
we will. You've got Wellsby, you've got Robertson, You've got Whitby,
and you've got and even even Stevens into that as well,

(48:45):
and Delaaney because Delaney needs a bit more bunk. But
he's a good player and if you can form your
team around that, and even Jack Jack Burns, good lad,
he's a good lad.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
You're the Just about Stevens is that he goes forward
and he takes he takes the opposition backwards, whereas we've
not been doing that apart from when Big Alex has had.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
A He's possibly get him the widest player on the
team when you watch them warm up and he's warming
up in front of you. He's about twice the width
of Mattie Lee's. Well, I was as the tallest, but
he's like a brick. Was like the things woman.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I went to was a reserve game and he was
on the on the sidelines and he stood up and
I had to ask him to sit down again. The pitch, Yeah, no,
is that broad? Why?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
And he's and he's got good hands. He gets you know,
he can get that offload. Really, he's a great Future's a.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Great promise more time on the pitch.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
But even when you're throwing the likes and Matty Lee's
and just signed one term deal, he's still a young lad. Whitley,
he's still got some legs and you think he's got
twenty eight, isn't he?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
You know? So I still think Whitley needs another stone
and another stone to run better line. He runs good lines,
but I think he goes backwards in the tackle.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
He's not the tallest that But yeah, depending on depending
on who is coming and who's going, And this all
depends on whether Saints announced it now or in September,
because we've not really got much to discuss because we
don't actually know.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
We don't we're making it up.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
We're making it up. But for me at the moment,
looking at who I think's going and who's staying, I
think we're short of another hooker, even if Burns is staying.
I really do think we're short of another hooker there,
and at least one second row with a thirteen, because
I've wrote down a sort of team that I think

(50:40):
might be playing next year. Morgan knows the massive loss,
but the loss of them Bachelor and Bell where then like,
we'll who's playing thirteen? Yeah, because I don't because I
don't think wing like, I don't like, I don't like,
I don't mind Wingfield, but I don't think he's our
starting thirteen, you know. And then I think we're sure

(51:02):
on props in the backs. I think we're all right because.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
We can get away with it if we get a
level of fitness in the back.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
If we get a level of fitness, We've got wellsby Felt, Robertson,
Percy Murphy Across Risby Sailor. You've then got back ups
for me at the moment of low max in the Alves,
and then you've got Cross and Dagnol. There a bitter
movement if Sailing needs to go to fall back or

(51:31):
Robertson needs to go to fall back or you know which.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
You've got around on a stay in position on the
time been really.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Stretched right now and we're coping, coping. I mean we've
there's some massive players missing. Wellsby and Percival go back
a couple of months with it. Well has been personal
that one. What we want in a match and what
we've seen, we've seen these kids like well that. I
think that cross signing was a great signing. I always
liked him because he's played really he's been brilliant.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
He told us, he told us a new one in
that game. That's where he's been great.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Across and dagnall. You know when we went to Warrington,
what was that side? Samboo and Benison?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I guess what Warrington went down that side and we've
got beat you kills the prize.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
But but now we put crossings it Crosses a quality player.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
He really is.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
He scored some great try brilliant.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
We've said it before, didn't like you've got you've got
the like. I don't know enough about the youngsters. And
this is probably where we need Ady to to sort
of like shed his shed some light on it. But
Will Roberts, from what I believe, he's on loan at
Witness at the moment. And I've got a mate again
in worker's a Witness fan and he says he's going
to be a superstar. Yeah, he's a really really promising

(52:46):
young lad. I don't know enough about like the likes
of Cowen and people like that coming through. I don't know,
so I can't comment on them, but surely and then
we've got another batch. Yeah, I think players coming. There's
a couple in.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
There's always a lot of kids promising it, but that
that jump to first team huge. But we're lucky again,
an't we. But what we've got to what we tend
to worry about is that middle ground where the sort
of twenty threes to twenty eight. So we haven't got
very many of them. So we've got to do a
lot and a bunch of youngsters.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
We need a big recruitment. And this is what again
is worrying, and we said it last season. Well there's
only as we've mentioned, there's only one player being circulated
at the moment. It's a prop forward. So it's like,
come on and we don't even know that's confirmed. Were
looking at players now it's not confirmed. But are we
looking at other players? I'm sure we are. I'm sure

(53:41):
we are, But why are we not hearing anything? Give
us some bloody hope. Saints, Come on, you've listened to
me about the music and everything else. I'm having that
credit for that credit, whether they're listen to me about
them bothered. I got my players before the Salford game

(54:02):
as well. You know they can they coming out of chat.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
To me off the press. Danny McGuire has been sacked
off off the press. That is sacked a tough job.
Center he was he was sinning or something like that.
It's an ausy. I think.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
He's got a decent center in that, the guy. Everywhere
we go see someone playing.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
The other lads as well, Handley's lads, Handley Lad's playing Handley. Yes,
he was only on.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Danny McGuire was going on yesterday on Sky Sports saying
give him time and they'll change it. Obviously, sat down
with him today and said, sorry.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I don't know what they're going to do there though,
whoever comes in, it's not going to suddenly change it.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
No.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I think I feel for him a bit though. Well
that's said that brings along nicety to the next two games,
which potentially season if we're playing Castleford, we go to
leads Away leads Away on Friday and they just put
this in my view of stellar performance against it okay
to try that's try well, although Mickey Lewis did go

(55:21):
off after thirty five minutes, that's get out to jail
card for whole. Yeah, because they are so well. Is
the next game as well, doesn't presumably he needs to start,
isn't hem? Yeah, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I think these made to beat him anyway.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Possibly possibly, but leads Away is now a tough challenge.
I don't know. Yeah, I mean we played really well
against and they'll feel like they always one. They will
not be as complacent as they were at the totally
wicked and then Lee Lee at home. Lea Lear a
bit of a I don't know, they're a bit of
a boogie side at the moment, but.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Lea, they've they've been seen for a couple of years.
You know, you know when Lee come it's going to
be really hard because that's how you play.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I think we went Home at home. Is that the
first time we played in the season weird.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
It's just ridiculous big games and league games because that's
you know, I was pleased, but I wasn't. I wanted
a wigging to dust them. Actually bought Did you know
what I did? Because I know I don't. Have you
been them?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Lee away matches have been horrible.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
The last few anyone who plays again last week?

Speaker 3 (56:30):
No, no, not in Lee's case. But they sat there
in the bloody rod Roger Stewart outfits. There's none of
them got a Centurions kit on because they don't go
back that far. They're driving, bust stopping wigging you drive
me with a bloody wall.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
So no, I wanted wigging to dust them. But well
we can. We can struggle without French as we were
saying before. They really did struggle without for a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Now, very very fortunate Wigan because they had two results
there against just Feel and cast Offord scored in the
last minute.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah, it's making me believe Super League is coming on.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
You've only got you've only got to get in the
top six. Twelve to one. Have actually been having a
look lad twelve to one now, twelve to one is
worth But how you see them two games going, I
do you know what I mean, we were a month
ago we have said probably narrow.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Leads away is it?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I think it's fifty fifty.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I think team selection will be key. I think, like you,
I think you'll go with Lomax and m Buy because
that's just his natural conservative word and that might.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Cost us possibly will Yeah, So I think I think.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
That would be critical whether he plays, whether he plays
m Buy and I think he'll play Bloody and By
and I think we'll put it.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
But he's you know, he's going to pick. He's going
to say we're in form and we're winning, so why
change the winning team?

Speaker 3 (58:08):
And I was struggling it's center, aren't because we're centered
again against Newman? I mean he ran around it.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
I never ever.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Predicted we're not going to win. But it's going to
be a challenge at Leads.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, it's a challenging challenge.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah. I don't know about Leeds.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I think it's just what leads turn up. Because I
can imagine Leads being on an absolutely high.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Well open someday took a lot out of them, and then.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
They turn up against Doors and it would be like
a totally different team. But you just don't know, because
especially ahead they've got, you know, with the fans behind
them and the Borg team for leads, trumpets and fan fare.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, we have become a bit of a borge team
for leads. I think the recording against US is pretty
pretty bad. It's not great, it's not great, whereas leads good, God,
I can't.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
We need to improve. We need to improve that record.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
But I think I think you're right in what you said, Graham.
These two next, the next two games, I.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Think conference whether we finished third or we struggled to
get sixth.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
But at the moment we can put yeah, we can
push towards that third place.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yes, I think.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I think I think first and second is going to
be winking.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Okay, six weeks ago, I was worried that we wouldn't
make the top six, but I think we make I
think we make the top six now. But whether we
make the top three is this these next two games
against sides above US, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I don't think it really matters. What matters is who's
fit in September.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
We do, you know what the leads. I'm going to
disagree with the other guys because I think you need
to be third a couple of years ago, we missed
out on points difference, on points difference, and we ended
up going to Catlan away and that killed us because
if we would have played Catlan at home, one would

(01:00:00):
have won and we probably would have been sitting here
with another trophy in the cabinet because I don't think
Wigan was that good at the time that I think
we we had a better team, but because we were
still coming off that we would you know, we're still
coming off that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
For in a row if you like, yeah, yeah, but
that's all where Jackie is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
You know, can we get jack back before the end
of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Well, he's supposed to be beginning of September. Well, that's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
That's absolutely last couple of games, full pomp with our
new editions of like Dagnol and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Cross and by fit felt fit, felt.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Fit felt Murphy even and even if Murphy can't get again,
at least he's there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
It's been good, he's he's good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I don't think he'll get I don't think he gets
another dagonaal now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
But we'll see. He won a nice problem. Yeah, to
have all those you know, super fit firing Connie uh
well got an interesting few weeks as well on recruitment
to come, because they're gonna have to start saying what
they're doing at some point because well, season.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Tickets, we're not good on communication, we've got strength.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Apparently we're improving. Maybe if they listen to this, they
might just give us some hope and next season there
in there. You know there's players out there, There must be,
but do they There's all sorts of other problems about
buying players, about how much you're spending on contracts now,
et cetera, what space you've got on the cap usually.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
List I think there must be a lot, well, not must,
there should be a lot going. There'll be something to
play without giving us some money.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You've got at least nine players, I think so, so
words of nine coming in, because you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
May be four or five in coming in, three or four.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Roberts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, but as I say, the next couple of games
and my having have an effect on who comes in
and who goes out as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Possibly yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Next two games.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
But we said that last time we play. I went
to that leads on match, you know, I thought we'd
struggled to win. Tonight leads are flying and we were
so good that night, so so we can win at leads.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
But before I think you miss it, but the fans
got behind them, the fans really really good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, well we've got a bit more at leads and
the same believe we hopefully ye be nice to turn
Lee over. Well, I'll look forward to the next show
and we've when we've turned them both over, it'd be great, excellent, awesome.
We thank you very much to Darren, no problem. Thanks guys,
thank you, and we'll see again in a couple of weeks.
And enjoy your belie because we are starting to again