That Saints Pod 2025 Episode 14

That Saints Pod – Edition 14.
It’s not all sunshine and trophies – sometimes the Saints have to take their medicine. Graham, Ste, Ady and Gaz get stuck into the defeats against Hull KR away and Wigan at home, pulling apart what went wrong and where improvements are needed. Expect honest reflections, a few fiery opinions, and more than a hint of frustration. And if you’re a Wigan fan tuning in for the schadenfreude, this one’s for you – an hour of Saints fans doing what they do best: moaning about Saints!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, and welcome to that Saints podcast. I'm Graham Conny
from a recording just after the latest Darby defeat. We'll
be discussing the two most predictable sent results of the season.
What's to come on? A couple of interesting points that
are cropped up. We'll see you in a minute, Come.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
On, lack of it, it's going to what's he going
for day?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
He's trying to keep the scord up.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, welcome back. And who's with us? Who's with us today? Well,
it's the originals some smiles here. That's it been brothers
from the early days of the podcast. He offered, Gas
Tinsley and Idio Squibbins back. How you doing, lads?

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Good? Thank you?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, smashing all on our anti de pressants.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Are we well yeah yeah yeah, I mean myself up
up to watching the highlights of the nineteen eighty one
eighty two season earlier this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
So NFL's back here, nic, we're all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
well you are well.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
As I said before, I think we've got the two
most predictable results of the season to discuss. We'll go
we'll look at the whole KR away game. A couple
of weeks ago twelve eight loss and the derby loss
against the wig in eighteen four that we lost. We'll
start with the derby for a change rather than going
their chronological order, because it was we flattered to deceive.

(01:37):
I thought we were all right for twenty minutes and
then the wheels came off. Basically nice try from young
Cross he was actually noted on too bad for me
on the wing, replacing the young Dagnore and then three
tries in about either side of half time fifteen minutes
or so in the match from Wigan, and that game
it was game over. I thought they could have had

(01:59):
a couple more at the end. But what do we
think We went into the game with no no Morgan
knows after his knockout at KR the week before. I
think it was we were always up against it because
I think we were basically for me one to seventeen
first choice.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
But its massive loss, wasn't he and so he tried
to pauplans, tried to fill that void by put moving
Jack Wellsby to to lose forward, which hasn't been seen
before or before we came on her gas was basically
a choice made for him by by Matty Pete, but
his Jedi mind trick, you will play Jack Wells We

(02:37):
at thirteen.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Has come to something where Matty pet.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
And Wity these aren't the whose forge you're looking for?
Move along?

Speaker 1 (02:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
It was definitely a bit of a We used to
call it kidology, didn't they, But the Jedi mind trick,
it's haught him into it, basically, and I think I
think it was It worked out okay in early in
the game, but the it went on, I think Jack
Wells We just got worn out because of the defensive work.
Was thirty two tackles in ONIMX six. He tells you

(03:08):
it's on.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Story as well as that stee We said before the
game that the previous week in the games that Jack's
been back, you can tell that he's had a long
absence and that he's come back. I had a schedule
because he didn't have his match legs, and when they
said that he would be playing thirteen, I didn't have

(03:29):
a problem because he's got the skill set, he's got
the size, but he didn't look match fit even the
week before, and I thought that would be the I
think we need to give kudos to Morgan Knowles his
fitness levels. I mean, and when you look at them
like the proper thirteen back in the day, the likes
of Fast and Scully, the fitness.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Has been doing seventeen minutes.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
So I didn't have a problem with him in that position,
but it's the fitness side of it or what we've
got to choose from. I didn't have a problem with
him in that position, but the fitness side of it.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Do you think he brought him back to early then
the full stop?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
I don't think he came back to early if he
was fit to play, as in injury wise, but trying
to get himself match fit. There's a difference in there,
and I just don't think he's quite been the match fitness.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Especially come back for who away and we're going to home.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I was thinking that I wonder if Wells was influenced
by the fixtures schedule and thought I need to bring
him back because these are big game.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Was also the fact that he's by a country MI
al our best player.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, I mean, you can't argue with that decision, but
whether in the in the long term, I suspected if
you thought properly thought professionally about it, he's probably we're
not going to win those two games, and he probably
shouldn't be risked. And if he if he breaks down
in the next one or before before the time he

(04:53):
was scheduled to come back, which we were told sixteen
weeks originally would be in the playoffs or the playoffs,
then we only got ourselve to blame for that.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
I can understand why he's done it. And when you
talk about the first twenty twenty five minutes, look we
look good because the crowd was up for it, the
team looked up for it. We were playing great stuff
and it almost there was a move where we went
down the left side after the try and.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
The past was behind them.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Jacks and I thought inside.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
But from that point on it was almost like then
we suddenly like shipped down our own leg and it
was like we stopped playing.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Do you not think we ran out of energy? It
could have just take some ideas, and I think, well,
at half time, I said to it, we are four now,
and at full time, I think we'll still before I
was right.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I don't think physically we've run out of energy, because
our defense proves that week after week after week. But
that defense deserves a little bit of something in attack,
and yet again the last three matches against the three
big teams, and we're going to touch on the okay,
but with just like a modicum of attacking prowess with

(06:06):
just I'm not talking about let's be just boffering a
little bit of something. Those games we could have because
I was defensively, we're matching these teams, but we show
nothing in attack. There's just nothing. The sixth the last
tackle option is just disastrous.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
You look at our fullback and our three quarterline. It's
not bad, it's the halves. I think that's a problem.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Exactly what you what you've got. And the guy in
front of me when he said and then he had
a meltdown, I was as usual. I was getting into
m bomb and his last sackle absolutely diabolical bombs and
he said, oh no, what it is mate, He's trying
to time it so that the bomb comes just down

(06:48):
as the player gets there to tackle him. And I'm
just I couldn't believe it. And I'm like, they're absolutely
like dollars that your dad would do to a lad
on the park. They are garbage. And then absolutely the
garbage and we don't challenge any of them, and then
what you see from the other side. Matty Smith puts
up a Brett Austin.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
That one from Mattis Smith. Harry Smith.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Smith puts up for Brett Austin over the roof.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
And we don't is Matti Smith.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
It went on the ground and we don't deal with it.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
We don't deal with it.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
We do nearly at the moon that one, yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, yeah, but he did a few of them. And
yet the one and then and then the week before
George Whitbu came on for it because he had to
come on. He also put an absolute belter on that
meant that all had to drop out, and yet we did.
All we do is it? We can't and we can't
possibly and I know we're going to, but we shouldn't.
We should not go in against Leon on Friday with

(07:42):
Lawmacks and and buy.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
We will we will.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Well, then that should cost him his job if we
lose again, because it's not acceptable to fire noticeably.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
In those last two games. We've come up against Mikey
Lewis and Harry Smith, who have terrific kicking games, not
just their bombs. Go out to the stadium. That one
that sounded drops went past when above the lights. I
sympathy with him.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
I don't. I think he's incompetent in defense, but we'll
come back to that. I think he's absolutely useless in defense.
He can't play full back again. But it's just we've
got to change something, because he just can't carry on this.
When you're dealing with thirty odd year olds six and
seven and you're playing Harry Smith and Bevan French and

(08:31):
you're playing Mikey Lewis and tired or May and we're
playing Bloody Wallace and Gromit, it's like, stop it, lads.
We're paying money to watch this garbage. And I've had enough.
I've had enough, and we need to do something about it.
And he needs to do it this week because he
needs to put Jack back to one, and I need
to play Sailor at six or put him in stand

(08:54):
because Or and Buy has to go at the end,
and he has to go if we want to have
any success. He's got to go because he won't drop Johnny.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
He won't ro Ny for me. Mose isn't as bad
as Johnny.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Well, I'd go with that, but he won't drop Johnny because.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Moses at least puts a kicking. Johnny Lomax doesn't even
put a kick in, and that's what in furiates is
a great defender. But for chats sake, I was seven.
I was seven. We don't want, we don't want the
seven to be doing the tackling. But Lomax does nothing else.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
No, he doesn't. But the only decent kicks that ever
go in positively is either off Jack or in fairness
to him, sailor the other two nothing. It's a stake.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, the player can't kind of both sevens actly because
neither of them can run, so I.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Can't ruin the cat kick. But they're good. Indeed, give
me stringth.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
That you've got two well organizing one kicker, but who's
I think it's no longer.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
What's been exposed in these last two games is that
we don't we have half max who don't really challenge
the line.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
And that's been a problem for ever shown long left.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Well, Johnny does that mad step that everybody knows you're
going to do, and then to stop him.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, but that's part of the problem. And Buy doesn't
Actually he spent time watching him. He does not take
the line, and he tacked the ball, passes it every
single time, and then on the fifth he puts a
half hearted.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Not only that though game when he passes it slow,
it's slow. When he goes to nine his distributions.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Really, I think that's what Harry Smith does, only the
band goes higher.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I was just I was just going to say the
thing is with Mooses is winding about him as half that.
But we brought we brought him as a nine. We did.
And it's like when you go back to lance A Wire.
Lance Wire was a New Zealand captain either fall back
or Ooka. We bring him in, I'm expecting to be
a six. It's just the mindset boggles, I think the.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
And that's not his fault, that's the coach's fault.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Remember John Wilkin played at six. Millions don't want to play.
John will just did it for the team.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Wilkins sacrificed his international career for that. Yeah, he did
nothing but get dogs abuse off our fans. But the
situation of the it when when these guys have been
working together for what twenty six rounds of the season
and the preseason, you've got Ali Robertson, who is supposed
to be the best number six. That anybody's ever seen.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Since Welly lewits in waiting.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
We've never seen him play six. We when we sat
there at Saints and we listened to Jack wellsby Morgan
Knowles going on about how good Ali Robertson is at six.
We've never seen him at six.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
And that's the case. Let's see it.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
There you go, Steve, So we've got a coach to lose. Now,
let's say it doesn't seem to know his best one
six or seven, and we're nearly at the end of
the season.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
He hasn't known that all year and these.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Do you know I've read somewhere before that we've used
something like nine different combinations of half back this season.
Different and you're like, old on a minute, you've worked
with each other every single day for a full season.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
He and the other one. You know it won't play
whitby because he's young, lad and all this sort of stuff.
Wellans was eighteen when he came into the teams. He'd
be critical. Kidan was even younger.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Long he was young, was sixteen exactly.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
They're good enough that.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
George has been unlucky because he put him on the
bench and then he got h didn't they he got
his HI and then things worked out and then he
didn't play him until he needed to off the bench
and he had a shock in twenty minutes. But we
had that run of games where we had Castleford, Wakefield,
Othersfield Catalan back to back to back and he didn't

(12:31):
even get five minutes on the pitch. When he was fit,
he reintroduced into the team.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I reckon I could have done sixty five this year.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, but why wasn't that kid then? Because when he
games to play him exactly because when he came on
the pitch away at Okay are when we needed to
press him into action. Okay, I give him a dog's
life and he had the worst twenty minutes he's ever
had in the same shirt.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
And it's like we've just had a run of five weeks.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
There and he's not had five minutes on the pitch.
Has been eighteenth man.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
No the cast game.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
They should wellens who have seen that and thought I
told he wasn't ready, but he hasn't given him that backgrounding.
He said he meant prepare level again from when he had.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
That h I a so okay and all them weeks
without playing the game and then expect him to do something,
and the next and thember he doesn't do it. Well,
he's eighteenth man again.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
It shaves. It shames the can in his last days,
isn't it it is?

Speaker 4 (13:26):
And what that was?

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Bloody mindedness? And he will play and buying Lomacks this far.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Actually we know he will as well, shouldn't is that
I've got this horrible feeling that next season Jolly Lomax
is gonna have the seventh shirt again.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
But he might have he might be on the bench.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well, if he's got a seven shirts, I hope it's
at Salford.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
I thought was old that was interested.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
If he puts him on the bench any regularity. Levil
cause his think as well, because people fans don't like
backs on the bench these days.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
No, but I mean, like you the first twenty minutes
we were going, we were going, great guns. I think
you've got too forwards there, and we said when they
were on, we know Alex Wlmes has got a couple
of knocks in him, but he was going well.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
He played well.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Simonon has always got to knock on him a penalty.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll tell you're discipline with him.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I'll tell you I thought was good, and this is
going to lead, this might lead to a discussion. I
thought Das Clark was superb.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, I thought Matt Winkley was superb. I thought Cross
was good yep. And the one that we're going to
disagree on is I thought Percy had a good game.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
So the Wigan game, yeah, I thought. I thought he
had one of his worst games.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Just think about that.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I didn't like his performance either, And everybody seems fifty
to fifty.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
I would say, for certain, he's been our best forward
this season as a center, the center, he's been our
best forward by a country mile. And I think, Okay,
plighted him as good as Knowles much.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
But I'll give you that there's been better than buy because.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
But what you could think about Matt possible. He's played
in some fantastic Saints teams and now he's playing with
these team up. It's at six and seven and he's
almost having to take He's trying to take it on
himself and come up with something creative, which isn't really
his thing.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
To go with him just saying I don't get his
best game, but he's a lot better games, and he's
been he's a five dollars player.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
I thought, I thought he played well and he's running
that ball in all of his own cost one but
really really annoyed me. And I'm going to mention him
if not now late felt because Tommy Makinson ran that
how many times Tommy Makerson run that ball in at
least once every set with everything he's got, felt that
everyone's in if he does. He doesn't want to. There's
no commitment. He's comfortably we can he doesn't. So you

(15:49):
watch him on Friday, he does next to bug at all.
But so I think Percival when you watch it back,
Percival is is at fault for a few things like
the gay field. True, but it's because he was trying
something and there was no bugger else there was.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
There was a point there. There was a point there
when he's made a cock up Percy and low Max
has had to go on him, and Percy's turned around
where and you obviously we don't know what he said,
but it looked like it was along the line, and well,
some fucker's got to do something. He had, haven't we
Because Low Max and Buy I.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Think that when I've sit I've had to watch it
again to red before we record the show our halfbacks.
By the time, two things happened. By the time with
the passing the ball out, the defense is up. So
wherever gets the ball at first or second year and
gets smashed, and or they run wide so that Aary

(16:46):
Robertson and Mark Persfal are running out run out of space.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
That was another thing.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
There's no space left. They're getting the ball by the
touch line and being bundled into touch.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
That was another thing from the Wigging game. I thought.
I thought Ali Robertson was given a school in the
he needs to take on board because Jake Warden marmalized him.
But he's the best triple him and it'll do roberts
in the world.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Maybe Testing is up there with him.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
I thought Warden was super. But then I go back
something Gaza has just touched on. Kyle Felder. I think
he's a great finisher, kylee felt fifteen outs some have you.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
But and he's great in the air at both ends
of the field.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
He is great in the air, but he isn't great
at taking them carries in as perceval and making soon
and what have you. But going back to Percival. That's
like when you say about he's trying to do the
things he shouldn't do. We've got Johnny Lomax so isn't
doing the things he should do, but he's a brilliant defender.
It's all asked to t it. You said, we've got

(17:45):
a we've got a lad playing at fullback of cart
defend and we've got a lad playing at seven who
used to be a fullback, who was a brilliant defender,
who can't attack the whole team. It's all asked a
t it. Know what with the way Lawmax has played
this season, I'd rather see him at thirteen than Wellsby
because I think it's creative.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
I think he's too physically knacked to play thirteen now,
and she is.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
He sets up not to lose. He doesn't set up
to win.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
There's a fear of losing.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
He doesn't set up to win. He set and I
think that I think that's in them. I think it
might be something about saying telling his lads getting the
job because Keidan set up not to lose as well.
But they don't take risks and but it's but it's
extreme in not taking risks. I don't felt that shows
and it's a bit hardest, but I think he showed
the lack of commitment. I just didn't see that it

(18:33):
was a derby. It wasn't a derby for.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Him that I think he's just this week's budge bag.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I think it's harsh too. And I think the problem
is after after twenty five minutes when they basically equalized,
we fell off a cliff because we were looking around saying,
what are we what are we supposed to be doing?
We didn't seem to have a plan on attack. No,
if the defense is fine, and yeah, it.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Is good the defense, I mean think you up Field's
going to eat meats. You can't do anything with that.
One got too others, aren't they? And they were from
like I mean the the Mark, the other one because
Sailor dropped the bomb and then the Marshall one Sailor
completely missed the tackle as well.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Lel Farrell ran through a massive, huge.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
How did they get through there?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
By the way, Bachelor and party on it, I thought
there was I thought there was an obstruction.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
He could have put up three twenty three with that guy.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
By the way, that was lia Fell's third clean break
of the year.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
The year.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, he went through like a night three boted and.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
We see, we seem to we don't seem to have any.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
There's nothing, does any Jack?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's not a but Jack then runs himself into circles.
Doesn't he have a lot of the time because.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
There's no there's no he's by himself. It's like it's
like they don't have creativity.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
It's them two we all see. But well, my cities
like the top Friday? How do we make sure? How
do we stop Lee scoring? That's there be his own
mentality to be how do we stop lee? You not be?
How do we win be? How do we stop lee?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I think the best else we've got an attack is
to get the ball out to Robertson and Percival earlier. Yeah,
and give him and give him better ball, give some space,
but at the moment used as the last result only
in Why he is Personal has been discussed already as
used as a battering ram, and has been for ten years.
But I don't think desperation is a good enough reason

(20:24):
for him to make such bad decisions about his kicking
was ill advised. I think as an experience player, he
should be thinking, I'm going to do my job, not oh,
I've got to do something else's job.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
He got a bit emotional.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I agree with you the Steve, But then I think,
I mean, how do I say this without sounding awful?
I mean, I don't want to say that Percy is thicker,
is too short.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
But you know, it's like his experienced Now, if he's seventeen,
i'd get it, but he's not experience.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
But I could almost sense his frustration. And you're right
for what he's done in his career. But the other
great thing that Matt, when Mark Percival used to have
an ed wobble all his career, he had Tommy at
the side of him to feeling back and Tommy out.
How many times did we used to see Tommy pulling
Percy to one side and giving him a bollocking when
Percy would have an ed wobbler like that? But that

(21:13):
brings me to another thing, and we have got a
massive lack of leadership on the pitch and off the pitch.
You know it's when again, all right, I'll go back
to the other. A couple of weeks ago with Ali
and Daggers talking about Johnny Lomax, and he was almost
like a character of fun for him. They said that
he's a nerd, he's a weirdo, you know, and yet.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
But they should have great respect for him if they
grow up in saintes Fanshion Well.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
At the same time, they was on the same stage
as Wellsby, and every time Jack Wellsby opened his mouth,
the pair of them were like clinging on every word.
And they said that because we forget how young them
too are that Wellesby was the one they going to
want him to be. We've got the wrong captain. We
no leader on the pitch, with no leader off the pitch,
with no leaders. And do you think Wellsby can now

(22:01):
I'd made Wellsby captain At the start of this season myself,
I think I think Wellsby is yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Then actural success that was probably knows, But now he's going, yeah,
I guess the.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Captain should be the game. He should. He shouldn't be
a winger or a number one, should.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Be he should be captain, should be a leader. It
doesn't matter what position he's playing. Your captain should be
a leader.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
You can do it by example, let Rob.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah you can, you can, you can. You just need
to be But at the minute, we've not got anything,
and I think the I think the half back situation
is that day that you're certainly out of the two
half packs we've got, neither of them should be captain
or in the team in the TV. And I've been
a massive I mean, I'm bagging low Max to Deathy
and Gas will tell you Me and Gas have had

(22:48):
arguments of fallouts for fifteen years over Johnny low Max.
I've always been a huge Johnny low.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
Max kept gasking and let low match goin.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I think he's that. I think he's a lleged I do,
but his time's gone.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I think there's too much wor did I see I
don't know if it was I don't know if if
it was your self stay or if it was normal.
Somebody said through the week that the nepotism and sentimentality
in the club is crippling us.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, that's if you've got Wellens as coach. That is,
low Max has got like captain playing links with well
doesn't he Like he's played with him for what four
or five years at start of his career, So you
know it's difficult for Wellings I think to kind of
cut him off.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Well, it shouldn't be. But what you're right, I think
it is. But if he's a proper coach, it wouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
That Brad Arthur ha dropped him by now I'll t
that much.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
The thing is well though he's done it once got
rid of thinking he dropped him.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Wakefield.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Johnny probably asked for.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Wakefield he was.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
At Leeds, shipped him out. Oh Caesar the one this season,
the ball guy froll here him.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Him in the first.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
He dropped.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Johnny before. He's dropped Johnny before and it worked and
and and it's just not happening. It's just not happened again.
I have just no idea. But one thing is for sure.
It's that is the side. It's not fitness, it's not defense,
it's all that is the part of the team. Because
if we get that, the rest of the team it's there.

(24:29):
And when you look at the players in the squad
Christ there's some talent in that team. Absolutely, there is
problem with fantastic players in that. Even with the Packers
busted as it is, we've got enough to win.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think the three quarters is strong, but you don't
you need half backs and a decent Packer half past.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yea but even when your pats busted up, Steve, if
you've got your half backs doing the job, we've still
half a chance because of the strength we've got in
other parts of the team.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Changing.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
No, we don't seem to have any nowse on the time.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
If i'm if, I'm if you're coming into playoffs and
I'm playing Saint Elian's, I'm praying that you've got Johnny
and Johnny and.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
By the bottom line is and half packs and the
pace off the mark and we ain't got it. No,
I mean that's as simple as that. Yeah, going back
to that KR game, I thought we played quite well.
I should have won it.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Should have I thought it was very similar. I thought
we played well for a spell, but utterly impotent the
attack and got done because ben't going enough points. But
we're never going to get blown away by wigging. Okay,
terms of the scoreboard, it's going to be close to clause.
But we didn't go. But we scored sixteen points across
the the three.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
I think it's a good good point when you make those,
because we already offend him really well. We didn't get
blown away by winning, Okay, we didn't. I thought I
said it at some point on Friday, we could get
absolutely smoked in second.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I'll tell you, And we did that after that try.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I thought I never thought so because our defense is excellent.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
It was all of them when it when they went
to eighteen four, there was no way back from but
that we haven't got three scores in us.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
They know that we haven't got two scores.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
We didn't have one.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
We were forty today.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
But we didn't do in furness to us is they
didn't go on again and think.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
That's what I'm saying. The last three times against the
top three, like we'greging okay hard and the league, we've
been absolutely pumped in them matches. We've been absolutely pumped
in the matches. Yet when you look at the scoreboard,
it's been close and it reminds you a bit like
men Daz Rigby said at the start of the season
about when Wello did that interview and he said twelve
points enough to win any rugby league match. Bollocks.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
That's your problem right there if he thinks that fourteen
eighteen points is enough to win a game of rugby
against those teams, but the top teams, especially when we
have got that's what our problem is it's only it's.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Not a million miles off us being right up there
with it, because we've got the best defense in the
competition and we have it's but even though those three
score lines were close and we could okay hard away,
we could have easily won that.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Game with a bit of with a bit of ambition,
we could have a bit of ambition.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
But in reality, even with that, we were still miles off.
But we could have won of ambition, we got bat
at it and we got bad.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
As the thing is, as you know, I was in
the order on the bay watching that game again with
a nice with a nice big screen with with a
bunch of okay our fans in the next and the
next thing, and I was watching. I just watched that
game with sort of sitting back thinking it's not a
bad game, but we ain't going to score a point here.

(27:32):
I couldn't see where to try was coming from. We've
got from a kick at the end with two minutes
to three minutes ago, but the whole game. I was
talking to some of the Okay our fans and they said,
you're not going to score against us, and that's that.
That was their attitude. You can't you can't beat us
because you can't score. That was the That was their attitude.
They weren't worried at all because they knew they were
going to win. We had to give them six points

(27:53):
with dat as well, but we never looked like scoring that.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Going back to that OKAYR game, I thought laziness and petulant,
and I think a couple of them was batchel. They
couldn't be asked getting out the way to give them
penalties away. But shows the standard of our defense that
okay at all? Second or two like that, the two
would anybody else in the league, Okay, just gonna they
know they're going to put ChIL and, but they knew

(28:18):
they couldn't with us.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
But the iron, the iron is that last time we spoke,
we pretty much predicted what would happen because we we
knew we wouldn't score enough.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Points, and we knew every Saints fan called those two games,
didn't We wouldn't conceie a lot, wouldn't win.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Didn't get they get more than twelve and they put
the top back on the pen and then that'd be it.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
That's all you've got to do with it. Get two
or three tries against us, and.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
That a little bit the same. On Friday. They scored
a lot of points, but they'll beat us.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I think I'm optimistic on Friday. But let me tell
you what.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
The other thing that the other thing that bugs is
in all these games, we have had the territory and
we've had the possession, we have we have been in,
we have been in third half. We have been camped
on the line which can't open them up. And not
because their defense is good.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
It's because we can't do once it remind you of it.
Couldn't get me here, attack, doesn't it? The aim and
the game was get a dropout or get greg Chester
look like on the floor and these elbows all that.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I'm beginning to think that's a look. Give the job
to a local lab. That's what they're going to do.
If they won't, they just won't take a risk. All
Brook came in and said, go and enjoy yourself, lads,
play play.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
And then he gave us Benny Barber, which was like,
imagine Benny barbur in this team. Yeah, you would know
what to do with him.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Imagine just with this team giving you Granny iPhone again.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
All right, Well let's well, okay, we've got a couple
of as we sort of started mentioning that we've got
Lee away on Friday and cast A home as the
last game. So we're going to finish fifth if we
don't beat as simple as that, that's a simplest question.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
I think we'll be fit anyway, but I think we'll if.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
We If we minocously beat Lee and then be cast
we could finish as highest third, which is really I.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Think we can beat Lee. And the reason I think
we can beat THEE is one testing music for his
hi A, which is a massive.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Plus for us.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Prospective.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Morgan knows his back and I'm going to say something
that you might not like. George Delaye his back and
I think he will make a difference, not much.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
We know he'll be off the.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Difference to me.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
And if you think about the own match, it was
incredibly tight and we didn't have the players that will
have this time.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Jack Bob scoring that game.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
We didn't score many, but they got two tries. We
scored four two tries because Sailor can't defend. So what
I'll say, they ran through They ran through him like
the they ran through my mom. He didn't even get
a hand on him. It can't defend. That's not been
any illusion here. He can if he's last man, they will.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Score, but Numbody's got on his back. And I'm not
saying to defend. It's not a coach.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
I agree with all that. I don't think he should.
He shouldn't be. I thought it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Because that's like putting Alex arms winging win. He can't
catch Matty Ash in your bake.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
No, I'm not again aggressive. I'll come over in your arm.
What I'm saying is it's and I agree with it's
not Sailor's fault, but Sailor I two weeks ago I
thought put at fullback, it's the only place he can play,
and he's brilliant coming forward. But now now I've gone
full circle because he can't defend at all. So he's

(31:41):
not even bad. He just can't defend at all. It's
like having twelve and if his last man, they'll just score.
So Jack's gotta go one.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Five minutes ago, you're saying that defense is fabulous.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
It is despite him, all right, but he was if
if he watched the tries and he's at full back,
it's always him. But Jack got to go one on Friday,
and I think if Jack goes one, I think you're
still playing lor Max and and by he might drop
cross and put that wing because because Traves, it would

(32:12):
be ridiculous. I think. But I think we can beat
I think we can beat them because there was nothing
in it last time, and Jack didn't play, and Morgan's back,
so and I've just bought my tickets today thirty quid,
thirty quid for an adult lee hanky edge and.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
A bait as well convincingly than gas is suggested.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, I think it's going to be something like uh.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think last time did the bit is convincingly I
can I think I can tell you now.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
We might get four.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
We'll get four.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I think they'll get about eighteen to twenty, but
it'll be close for sixty minutes.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
We've got to match the We've got to be able
to deal with the incredible aggression and grubbing us.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
They've got a fantastic we'll get on it.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
They beat us every time on aggression, so we need
somebody to go back at them with a bit of
aggression from Morgan's back, which is good, not stupid aggression
like George.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
You see that side of it, that side of it
leans towards because as much as Johnny Carter is a
little bugger, and that side of going away to leave Leans,
I could understand the Lomacs. Yeah, the Lomacks are purely
because the of them hard as nails, and Sailor isn't tough.

(33:28):
But no, I I you're right when you have him
at full back, Sailor. It's it's great as Saints are
against teams that they're supposed to beat, but when you
get when you're against the teams above you where we
get found out you need your full back to be
able to stop people. And Jack does, And I think, yeah, yeah,

(33:49):
Jack does, But I do think Sailor. The only other
problem with putting Sailor in at the half backs at
the minute is as he's just said, we have no pack,
he needs the pack, whereas I think Jack in the
halfs Jack doesn't need anybody. Jack's Jack and just giving
the ball, and.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
You suggesting Sailor at fullback and Jack at six, then
buy up bench.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
If I had my way, if I had my way,
which it's never going to happen, I'd set a lot
of them by surprise and put Jack and George half Oh, yes, yes,
and I would just I would just say to them, look,
we're not going to finish any lower than six.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Out an attacks attack only two games.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
That means you're playing sailor either on the wing or
at full back.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Then full back sail and then what I would and
I'll say, and I've said it for a few weeks now,
we need to be started looking at next year and
next year and even if that means Alie Robertson.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
That's why I said before giving the go, that's the case.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Because if, what if what we're getting rammed down our
throats is the best number six that our club's ever produced.
Put Robertson and who have played together in the same
team as half back partners since they were like seven
years old, put them to in a half back and
let's just start look for next year. Cross can place
Cross great player.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I think the problem we've got is the system means hope.
We always will have hope of winning it at all.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's the hope that kills us longer.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
As long as we're in it, we can we can
win it. So if he were to put Robinson in
and we didn't with it people would say, oh, we
blew our chance of winning it possibly if it didn't
work out.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Well, I mean it, it's not gonna blow a chance
of No.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I mean reality is it's that we haven't got a chance. Yeah,
but as long as as long as the system gives
you that hope, the fans will think we've got a chance.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Them to At six and seven, we've got no hope.
We might beat Castleford, we will beat Castleford.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
We're beaten by thirty or for everybody. Everybody else say
oh are we great?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
But it doesn't matter and we go away in week
one and that's the end.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I think thirty or forty is concerned. I think we're fifty.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's a dead rubber. Then it doesn't matter. We might
as well play the reserves and give everybody a week off.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
But this, this has god now winning that much of
a position. And we've got these kids between Robertson, dag
Whitby and then when you when you look at like
the young number nine and the young second row, we've
got some incredible talent coming through. But these have had
a full year. This coaching team has had a year
with these players. Now they still don't know what they're doing.

(36:29):
And the young nine I think he's seventeen, so that's
why he's a little bit raw.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, the year there were two where anythink.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
From what again, from this from what Annie robertson wing
Dagna was saying, they think he's the best player they've
ever played with. But whether that means he can pay something,
it is, it is, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Consider they play with jack Well's being more than all
it is.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
That before.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
That's what they were. They were asked coming through apart
from yourselves, who was the best players and them said
that I can't remember the lad's name he plays, but
he said he's the best player they've ever played with.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I think we need him as a matter of urgency,
or someone to play back up to Clark.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I absolutely agree with either. But then when you look
into next year, I just I just don't see the
pointing us carrying on with this this utter shite with
Moses and Johnny at half back. I just can't see
the point.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
We've been saved. I imagine Moses has made the decision
to go home because we have probably made the decision
to extend him. So thank god four more years. Yeah,
thank god he's made to go home and play county league.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
He's got a coaching job with US.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I didn't mind him so much as a backup hooker.
I think that's okay.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
But he can't.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
He can't be starting from half.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
I'll tell you another thing. I'll tell you what did
disper me though a bit with Moses, and I've defended him,
as we know. I've defended Moses and obviously in the
days of a salary cap sports now, but we found
out two or three weeks ago off a really reliable
source on ninety thousand plus and you think, well, in

(38:15):
that case, you've got to get rid because that's far
too much money for the squad player when your salady
caps only WoT two depending two point two of something
like that. As a as a backup utility player. I
think he's being spot on. But if he's on the

(38:35):
sort of money that you need to be given to.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I'm surprises to come over for that. To be honest, what.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Would the problem be? You think he'd be on more?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Probably you have to be good for that.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Won't the problem be he's come over here because you
can't get a game over there when you have to
pay how good youngsters probably would that, but that'd be
a problem. What is going anyway, and he's going three
years down the line, thank god, Roberts new contract or.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
We are going to do We're going to get a
lot of let's come to that. Let's just talk about that.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
One of them.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, money, but we don't We're talking about this sort
of thing is we don't know what's going on. And
this is this is the problem with Saints that there's
a disconnect between the club. It seems to me a
disconnect between the club, the supporters, the communication. All they
do is stick stuff out on on x or Twitter
or Facebook or something. They don't give any indication. What's that.

(39:29):
What's the planning for next year? We've got a coach
whose contract is up, and in theory we don't know.
In theory, we don't know who the coach is next year.
I'm pretty sure I know it is because there's no
no there's no inverted noise about who's coming in. So
I'm pretty sure they've extended Wellyan's contract, but they haven't
got the balls to disclose that at the moment.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I'm not going to say that to the Sarmony season
tickets to start selling.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well there is there is atue. We were losing. We
know we're losing twelve players. There's a bit of rumor
of people who were coming in. We had one lad
coming in. Who's not coming in? But this is my
question last time, who's going to come to Saints in
this state?

Speaker 5 (40:04):
The names were being linked with strike of incredible mid
table at best mediocrity, Ollie Partington, he's not coming. You
can't possibly can't possibly be serious shots. Good god, he's
been at Soul for four years. I've never heard of him.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
He's been right.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
He's an interview on that he's injured. We've got him,
but he's not injured when he's going to play. But
he's been at Sulfur for four I thought he must
have only come this year. He's been at Sulfur for
four years.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
On a similar theme, barely he won't improve the.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Definitely, recruitments have to improve what you've got.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I don't think he does that, but I think they
might be right.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Might might do it on the basis that we're losing
Bell Baxter and knows there's nobody else there.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
My Woody is what was reported last week. Loss We've
made record losses last season, but The danger is the
downward spiral, as if he as a result of record losses,
are recruitments now parties and shows right, these type of
caliber people, then we will definitely not make the six
next year and then have even less fans, and it's
it's really worry. And then you're going to then you're

(41:15):
getting into, well, you're getting in, and then we need
new owners because we're in a really bad place.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Then that that's I.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Don't think we have bad owners. I think got bad direction.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
We've got no we've got bad leadership at the top.
We talked about it all the time.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Said about leadership on and off the field.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Yea, we've got it, really really, but we was on
about it the other day.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Again, you can be careful. You'll be just being noisier
about this noise.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
I mean, I criticized the owner of five minutes, but
I think it's overall he's on a great.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Aim and a great aiming. But we've got a ground,
a fantastic facility with huge space around it. And you
look what they're doing in o KR and you think,
why are we not doing that type of stuff, you know,
like having events on before the match and getting people there.
Three hours earlier, and all that type of really good
business marketing, promotional legendary Peter Deacon type stuff from Bradford Bulls.

(42:07):
You know, all that actually a really good business acumen,
and we don't do anything. We've had a player came
down to bar downstairs. Oh fantastic. You know when we
don't do it?

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Do you know when you can you strip it back
to even more basics than that, when you sort about
when you talk about the fundamental relationship with your supports.
I got an email yesterday afternoon about the Player of
the Season votes, so well it went on it and
voting closed Sunday night. I mean, I mean, if that's.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Not only got it yesterday already and I had it today,
so mine's obviously working.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
And I don't think I even had one.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I don't recall getting it either.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
But the thing regarding you're right there about like they
do it and you don't even have good to walk
to people. So oh yeah, but card of winning, okay,
of winning.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
That's wild. Okay, I was winning.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, But guys, how many times in the last few
years have we turned up at Salford and Paul and
Daren They always say the same thing. We all turn
up at Salford two hours before the kickoff because there's
so much to do outside the ground that Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
It's the adult trophies, the World Club Trophy, World Cup,
they have all the they've got the bars.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
The military people remember like a Shirley part years ago
when the Army, Navy and if you turned up with
them trucks and all the different all of them with
they had a fur ground. They had a band playing
all on that land at the side of the Salford Stagium.
Stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Because we've got we're not many, we've not led strategic gone.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
This see gone by.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Fellow budgets Bleasedale. It was when Bleasdale was there.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Doing nothing or invited JJ wants a year with the
ice cream van. Yeah that's what we do.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
It was Pleasedale that put that leadership off for feeling.
It's like how many times when I sat at these
microphones and turned around and said, it's milking the same
old cow. We'd always have, always tits felt all the
time by you know, it's always the same supporters, going
back as far as COVID it was the same supporters.
Can you donate your season ticket money.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Yeah, of course we don't.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Can you donate your season ticket money?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Oh yeah, I just have like four hundred pound of
my money for.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
And we did it.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
And it's the same supporters all the time.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
I mean, if I could turn the clock back, I
wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Well we just noise now, aren't we.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
I wouldn't have done it, and that I would have.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I think we were rewarded for that, like at the time,
and then a couple of years after. It's just gone
south since then't it.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
But that's like the relationship that just in all but
rebuilt with the supporters. They're getting involved with Ian now.
I mean you used to see every week the players
would at schools all over town doing this, that, this, that.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah. Yeah, I can't argue with.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
That, and you don't see it now, But that whether
that if that's the result of the team not doing
it on the pitch, that they pull up the drawbridge
and create.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
It's a double legs short. I think it's like a
bit of a malaise that's crept him because the supporters
aren't feeling feeling it anymore in the club and thinking,
oh well, we're on our ownly and let's pull the
draw bridges up and get our heads down and crack
on it.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
That might rush into view. He was quite like that.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
He was a bit like that. And then we have
all this outside noise. They've only got outside noise because
we don't tell anybody, they don't communicately communicate. Yeah, it's
a simples.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Before though, as we've discussed, and it turned it round
with the appointment of one guy as a coach, so
it can be done again. I find the right guy
and have the right you know approach.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
All right, let's move on.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Not well did it?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
No, Let's talk about a couple of other things that
I picked up. The sweet the rfl CHI exact only
something that is stepping down. It's an appropriate time with
where we are just there for you there looking then what.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Though?

Speaker 4 (46:11):
We're just going to say that.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
It makes you worry about that because you don't know
now that Big Naves is back involved. You don't know
you might get you might you know sometimes better than
you know you might because of what you're throwing all that.
Who you're going to get to a players guy.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but it's looking
very ominous to me.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Between something and between Everington the slimey get that he
is going down to London right from the minute that
he finished at Leeds and announced he was going to London.
That in a second between that with Wood, with Sutton
and everything else like stage, you think to yourself, there's
there's just this is pots for Raggs, this is this

(46:51):
is absolutely Banana's what's going on?

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Like a assisted by the clubs.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
It almost looks like a close shot for who's going
into Superlan.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Almost as if it's scripted, because the next thing is London.
On the Genderlessine An an interesting interview with on back.
Ten other podcasts are available in particularly this one was
Matthew he is yes, funny you should say that, isn't

(47:20):
he fabulous? Blarren Lockyer one of the legs, one of
the true legends, and his business part and that a
guy called Grant Herschel I think his name was, genuinely
in my view saying they want to take over London
broncos there's more serious money behind them.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
The guy.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
As much as I can investigate the guys, I've got
business interest in mining, sports, on measures and various other things.
So that there's a fair chunk behind them. They seem
to say they've done and they have an agreement with Gary.
They're referring to Gary. I'm assumitz Etherington. If they can
get things in place. They certainly indicated that Jason Demitriu
was lined up as coach and they have a player

(48:03):
in the Sydney one of the Sydney teams who will
come as captain, which will say make it. It will
certainly get some headlines in the Sydney Herald.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Was but but that's pret well, he is a player
the Sydney team.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
But that's a precursor, the precursor on that, so that
they get a slot in Super League now putting two
and two together and probably making seven here. If they're
coming in with money, wanted to take over London? Did
I did? The chairman of the chief executive the r

(48:39):
flows just stepping down big nightgers come in. He was
getting them induced fourteen teams in fourteen.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Team slots in where they're going to find three bar because.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Well, I think so, and they reckon they can bring
in enough players from Australia to boost that squad to
make it competitive.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Now not in that'd be great that's our case. But
they've had so many false dawns London exactly. I remain
they got the ground.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I'm just said they played wimbled and they reckon. There's
a hundred, there's a center, there's one hundred thousand. There's
one hundred thousand dozzies and New Zealanders did set that
up well in this in the area.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Actually, you know they've obviously.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Done the research. There's hundred thousand dozzies and you just
living in London, in that and in and around that area.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Lockyer's got cloud but hasn't always been the case. And
it's not what they don't.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
They've not been known by dozzes, has it?

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Lockers got clouds, He's got a lot of.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Well, had that link up with the Brisbane bronczeh remember
years and years ago.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
That was when?

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Doesn't it?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Had the virgin man behind.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
The whole sport missed the boat?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I think too, I think so too badly. He sure
that as a connection between England and Australia.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
The other way to look at all this is it
could be a master stroke get London sorted, or it
could just be slimy Gaddy, give Dad and locked a
backhand and and paid for him a first class ticket
on quantas to come over here. Just feed a load
of bullshits all the best, then go on and get
me in Super League. And I worry about it when
I'm in Super League.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
That's pretty cynical quite anybody. We can't afford though, But
it's London to get put back in Super League and
all the fan for it calls and then get beat everybody.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Games to be serious money behind them, So who knows?
Who knows? I mean just I personally. I know you
don't agree. I think London must is a must for us.
I think we must have a London club in the
Super League.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I think success for London team would be a would
be a huge ascid. But I don't think we've ever
had well having one or two seasons, and maybe I've
never really had that. And I think a London team
getting beat every week does more harm than good.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
See what bugs as well is this time now when
they've moved into plow Lane cracking. Lit's the right stage
and it's the right size stage, it's in the right
heart of London. But then they with half the games
they were back in. But then they were somewhere else
and then.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Because they want to try and like I'm not sure,
take it around the city.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Clashes with football games and things. I think possibly you.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
See see London's to it's I think the London title
it's just too too big, too big.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
You don't see football teams called themselves London.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
No, no, if they if they recall themselves at Wimbledon
rugby League and leave himself at Plow Lane. And it's
a very affluent part of London. That's where you're going
to get people who on a Sunday afternoon they want
some sports' twiquence and all that. Yeah, they might actually
just they might actually not asked. I'll go and dropping
thirty quid to go and watch a game of rugby
league and see what's going on, you know, just to

(51:43):
get it, get that whole side of it. Like use
London is too big, but.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I think I think it's certainly it's definitely different. If
you are coming in as Ossie owners with Aussie players
attracting the Ossie and Antipodean customers in, you get five
or ten thousand them in every game. That's that's trebling, quadrupling.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
If they've got a competitive team. It will attract interests
for as long as that's the case.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
In the songs, as long as it's take competitive in
the same way as the Rugby Union did and ironically
with a name with London Irish.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
But they were now defunct, aren't they Locottish?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
If they stay competitive but don't actually win and said
to begin to ever keep winning, does the interest then
drop off? And people say it's always the same four
teams that win this thing and all that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Well, they've got they've got to They've got to break
the moment, haven't they lose? Well with nothing London.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
London to lose and everybody's favorite Bradford coming back, aren't they?
I think says Nige's not coming here for you know,
but nothing.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Older my banging on the door, aren't they banging the drum?

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Old of them are, But I don't think old them
are anywhere near it.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
I've been up to York a few time.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
I think that'll do well to house Bradford, you or
Bradford and no, weren't early. Yeah, but big nagers in players.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Absolutely, that's your thing, that's your thing to lose. I
only say them because of the fan base.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yorks are shout because of I think Paul something in
that I think there is. I think York in there
would go there exact.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Thing from a competitive So I went to York about
three weeks ago watching all them. So you had York
at the top, Olden with third, Aldham took a shed
load of fans like they filled one in the ground.
Arnoldham fans outnumbered York fans three to one. And it
was in York and you just stay And I was

(53:39):
just sat there and I said to Stephan, was like
that either of these two in Super League and they
getting eighty points, they getting.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Walloped, and then you won't get that many fans going
and then you're not getting Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
A couple of Drubbins and drops off. Yeah, And that's
what a lot of fans in the championship who I
speak to because I watch a lot of Chance will.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I will what they say, I will say to its
fairness to lock it. He was quite clear on the
fact that they had to be competitive, they have.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
To be serious about.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
You needs to stay in salary cap Well, yeah, but
I mean knowing the way it wasn't the all London
given exemptions on salary.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Well, they'll get that to get they'll get that would
be one of the deals they do, one of the
back of the backroom deals, probably something like that.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Well, to be fair, so that makes you now non
competitive the other world.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Well, no, the thing is if you if you want
to go and live in London, it's going to cost
you twice as much as a start. So there are
there are genuine reasons there. If you want to live
in London, it's going to cost you three times as
much as just to live in some Talians.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
And but if you're Australian who knows maybe not so
much about n't have a different salary, living in London
is going to attract you more than living in.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I think that's the point. That's the point. Okay, but yeah,
let's let's keep an eye on that one and we'll
say there'll definitely be no news on that next next time.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
I've got to be honest, I love going to London.
But I'll tell you what ever happier than when I'm
on that train back up north, when when that train
pulls out of use and I'm like keep going, get
next stop, going back to next up bank.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Okay, right, Well I'm surprised you've been that far. To
be honest, in light of.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
The debarkle over player of the Year vote whatever on
the website, I thought it'd be interesting if we name
our player of Player of the Year for Saints. I
don't mind going first. That's probably an easy one to
sport and a spoiler, but I'm saying Morgan knows.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Thank god you didn't say sailor. That's I was about
to leave.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I actually have been. I'm quite often like skeptical about
Morgan those because I think fans overrated him and they
have him as the second coming of fall scholar, but
he isn't. But I agree with you he certainly he's
certainly been our player of this season this year for me,
just because I think I actually does actually speak to
a lack of creative in the attack, but the things

(56:01):
that he does have been invaluable for us this year.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
I ten every week from yea consistency.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
I'm going to be the third one on that. And
what's what I found really interesting is because we do
our top four every week and Morgan Knowles is probably
never there. He's in the four and sometimes he's first,
but I bet he's nowhere near the top of our league.
If you look holistically over the season's country mile the

(56:30):
best player we've had this season. I think he's had
his sadly, his best season this year by a mile.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
So yeah, because bess games, that's a fact.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I was going to say, if it's on the games
that they've played, for me, it's Jack by a mile,
m because but I know that he's missed a lot
of games. But in the infamous words of Roy Keane Morgan,
Knowles is doing what we are saying. But then it's
his job. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Post one doesn't tell I read every letters or something.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Absolutely well, did you vote? Voted for Jack? Voted Jack anyway,
even even though I always missed a lot of matches.
But for what he's brought to us in the games
that he's played, it is Margs has been magnificent. But
then I've been for me. Mars has just done what

(57:25):
he's done every season in recent years. It's just that
the rest of our team is that we've relied on
him this.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
I don't think. I don't think he's dropped off from
the year we won the first I think he's impressived.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
That has improved is his distribution.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
Yeah, and he looks fitter than ever that tribe we
went through and he went thirty. I think the Dolphins
are loving He's going to be a superstar down though criteria.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
He's going to be smith enough.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
And I've got to give him every credit in the world.
He isn't protecting himself for his season down.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
He's not been doing that at all. He has been
giving it everything that. I think he's as motivated as
he's ever ever been.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
And I'll tell you what if he does that, even
if it's just for another three matches, two league matches
and a playoff, he will go with every good week.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
We're all we're talking about how we got no chance.
I don't think he's thinking that. I think he's thinking, yeah,
if I give everything, we can still do this.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Yeah he is. He is top top, and.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
You've got to give any mentioned to Lee's as well,
I think because he won it last year and he's
been consistent as well this year as well. None when
Knowles and Lees are on the field.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
We look defensively. He's magnificent, but I think he'sn't give
enough going forward.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
No, he's not big enough. And I'll give you that.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
So for me, Warms is still amost important.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Was frustrated me with what you get in twenty minutes.
That's first off Senate second and it's getting less, but
he's still he still ends up a game and top Oh,
I get that's the but you're getting less for Remore,
I might he's gone off. It's only fifteen minutes in.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
He's thirty.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, that's worrying it because.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
The party comes on.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Ye, well big Alex is another replaceable.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
One without I mean that's just how has Party got
another season? And somebody because you're not paying a lot
of money.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
No, no, no, no, no, no, it's is given word back,
I reckon. I think.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
One's playing States of Origin and one's one's of.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Bloody fans will accept rubbish because it's cheap. It's amazing
for me.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
But we have no choice. We have no choice something.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
You might as well let him go and the kidd
of go.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
No.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
I agree with that, Yeah, absolutely, Well, we can't have
six of these duffers like your wingles and if you if.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
You've got if you've got Delaneum party on the same
money that I'm taking George all the time. Yeah, but
you need players. You need squad players in the salary
cap sports.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
They should be.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Yeah, they should be. Absolutely squad fillers shouldn't be people.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Like Parsy don't give no what a better deal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I don't even think a four year deal.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I don't even think party this year though, has even
justified the talent title of squad filler way off that
I think terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Absolutely, I don't think you ever come from that. It
was a shocker.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah, it's bad that to be fair that already he
never plays himself with injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Karma. Okay, well, so let's just summarize Morgan almost animous,
almost animous. Yeah, as close as we'll get to you, isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
It to agreeing on something of the four of us?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Okay, so we've got Friday Lee away. I'm I'm sadly
thinking we're going to get beat again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I think it will be absolute carbon copy. In the
last two games. We will we won't see a lot
of points, but we won't scoring off. We'll lose narrowly
on the scoreboard, but it will actually be convincing lost right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Your miserable gets We're going to win.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
We're going to win more evidence gathering.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
We're going to win. Morgan's back. Jack's back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
They've been there all Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Jack.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Jack didn't play last League game. Jack's been out for
a long time. We were close that last leek was Yeah,
we were very watched. No, I'm not. I've watched the lately.
They're not all that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Look at the team inconsistent.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
I mean, I don't know why that Armstrong guy. I'm
glad he's got injured play. Oh yeah, I'm glad he's gone.
But the is good the one they brought in. And
Handley's playing way beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Great play top playing him now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Yeah, but he's no better than Addy Robertson or Percival.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Okay, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
I think lambing lamb is a major issue. You're right,
Draw I'm wrong, But I'm going for the song.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Yeah, I'm going to match.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
I'm going to match and I'm going for I'm going
to match and I'm going for Saints win. And I've
been that. I can't not keep going to Lee until
we win one because I've been the last three. I'm
not saying, but I have to go expect. I can't go.
I cannot go expecting to lose. I am going expecting
to win. Am I going to win? And I'm reminded either.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Fortnight, are you going on the train?

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Going on the train, I'm going downs. He lives in Wigan,
being funny, all right, So the Lee march and I'm
just as quick as I do for you to be fair.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
To be fair, I'll put links done, and then we
win at Cast at home, although we don't need to
be fifth probably by then, but we'll be cast.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
We end up playing does he gave Georgia castle for?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
If he should?

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I don't think he will.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
He absolutely should, but he won't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Then we go, then we go to Leeds or Lee away?

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Just come back to Lee. Let's come back to Lee. Right,
What do you think he's going to do?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Do you think he's gonna explain the same team? I'll
tell you now, Jack was Jack going?

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
He will play thirteen? Because back?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Wheres Jack going?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
For that?

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Probably Jack's gotta go one? And yes, of course where
a sailor go?

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
I think wing? Sailor on the wing and drops d on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Probably that's a shame.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Put on eighteenth man or something, or put him up back.
But the one I'd love to see would be put
sailor in the and either Johnny or mold yea, and
for me it would be Johnny.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
Yeah, fair enough, because that's coming this week, because Morgan's
going back to thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
All right, well, sorry, I forgot about Morgan coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
It's going to be the same effectively the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Same team, and Sailor is either going to be on
the bench on the wing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
So Jack's going one. I think so yeah, Jack, And
you think you'll put saying about wing either that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I think it was a spineless thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Well, we are where we are.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
It's an absolutely spe not what I would do. It's
not what I would do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Doesn't the way to not get Sailor on the wing
would have to be to drop low Max and or
both of low backs and then buy. And they won't
do that. They won't drop either.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
It's drop one. There's only there's only one dial. Morgan
is going thirteen and Jack is Jack going to But
I think they should both go You're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Laugh at me now, but I think I think Sailors
should go to seven. Yeah, I think he's not been tried.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Then. I think at least you'll give us some pace
there I will. And he does run it, he does
take it, and he just take it on and he
almost get every time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
You're playing, you're playing six, then Whitby I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Think, I think, I think you play Johnny at six.
I don't think he'll.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
That's not what you do, is he?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
No, that's not what i'd do. But I'd play I'd
play with and Sailor. But he won't. He won't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
No chance he can play sailor at seven. You're gonna
have somebody who can kick it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
So do we think he's going to play? My question
is do you think he's good to play Johnny and
then by ideally jacket one and Sailor at wing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I think he might even drop Sailor.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
That's a crime in it, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
A It's possibly he could drop sail and keep crossing
the team.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Unless there's an injury that we don't know about. I
don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
And I feel for Cross because Cross, since he's come,
he's been great.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
He's been more than decent.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
He's been great, and he can score the try.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
And it matters if the UNI, if Wells had the
you know, the chops, let's call it to play Robertson
at six. That's been suggested. I think Cross would play,
would play center every week.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Absolutely. Okay, Well, thanks that that's been an interesting and
interesting review. We'll see you again after the Castle for
the game and look over the rerecords of our season
and see see where we go from there. Who were playing?

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Look, don't wait for our post Grand final victory special.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
We're looking for him never right, it's off the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Well I am happy to see the biggest piece of
humble part.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I will eat Humble Pie till Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
If my hands up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
If we win that, I'll even bring you in this
season ticket while i'm doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
So if I allow my hands, if we get past
the first playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Round, well there is the argument, yeah there is. Possibly
that's the last game of the season, but I hope.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Not a couple of leads away. We've beat them every
time there is that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
They do always, they do, always a beating.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Well they're getting rapidly better.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, okay, we'll see you're just saying thanks to Steve,
thank you very much. As always, thanks to Gas, thank you,
and a d thank you very much. We'll see it
again in a couple of weeks, so enjoy your UG week.