That Saints Pod 2025 Episode 16

That Saints Pod – Episode 16
It’s a lively one this week as Graham, Ste, Ady, Gaz & Paul sit down to pick through the wreckage of Saints’ season and ask the big question – what needs to change? The lads dissect a rollercoaster fortnight: that dramatic win over Leeds followed by a flat performance against Hull KR. Expect honest opinions, heated debate, and plenty of passion as they pull no punches discussing form, attitude, and the road ahead for the Red Vee. If you like your rugby league chat real and unfiltered, this one’s for you.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello and welcome to that Saints podcast. I'm your host, Graham.
Come if they think it's all over, it is now.
We'll be discussing on the end of Saints season and
matter's rising out of that in just a minute.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Come on, nice John in the corner, Jommy Barton dock.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
You very much.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Look of it, Sticker.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
What's going to the screen? What's he going for?

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Damy?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
He's trying to keep the score down.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, there we are, just a little bit of a
Tommy Martin and Ron hoof just to cheer.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Us up a little bit. The season's over. He's with
us today to rake over the colds of the season.
We'll steal off us back with us. I state you're right,
all good yep Adeo Sullivan's.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Evening, Gaz Tinsley's back evening. Paul Rigby's with the Hypo. Hello,
all right, good well, let's start in chronological lauda. Let's
start with the Leeds game.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
We squeezed ourselves into fifth place and got ourselves into
a playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Eliminator of the call?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is it a playoff game or eliminator eliminator semi final?
I thought semi final was on? OKAYR never mind whatever
it is called the quarterfinal. Let's get the facts of
the of the game, because that's not doesn't tell you
the whole story. It's leads fourteen Saints, sixteen Leeds. Tries
from McDonald and Hankinson, three goals from Jake Conner. Saints

(01:32):
tried from Morgan Knowles, John Bennison and Shane Wright, although
on Saints website apparently Johnny Logmock scored a try. So
that's just having to have to drop the drop on
an email to monitor connect it all.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
But there they are.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
For me, a bit of a shocking performance for the
seventy six minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
That one for me, seventy six is generous.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, we wrote our look, we defended well. To be fair,
where do we with this? Let's uh, let's start with this.
He wants to start up on this game. The performance
for me was was was pretty pretty poor.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Really, I think I think it was shocking.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Graham.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
I think the last were like ninety seconds left on
our own ten, so from the last ninety seconds obviously
was astonishing. But I thought at the time, you're watching
that match, after what we've seen Wiggan and Lee do. Yeah, yeah,
the night before and then you think was it Wigging

(02:34):
and Lee the night before? I haven't got that right, Yeah,
that's right. Yeah, And I'm thinking that Wigging and Okay
are whichever, whichever way around it was. I was watching
Lee Wakefield. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, So we watched the
performance that leap on against Wakefield, and I'm watching the
Saints lead game and I'm thinking that these other playoff

(02:56):
teams will be laughing at this because both Leeds and
Saints look shocking, and for me, that's everything I've kept
saying about the system is so wrong that like Leeds
did was a few years back, they finished like twelve
points behind us, and we play him in a Grand
final and one off we could have beat They could
have beat us. But those two, those two teams that

(03:18):
leads match, it was.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
It was dire.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
It was shocking. The only take the ninety seconds out
of it. The next best thing that happened after that
was had a human crying at the end, which was very,
very funny because because him and Connor were shit, IU
was in Robertson and Tristan Sailor like nasty in the face, vile. Yeah,
so they got the comput of the game. He did

(03:43):
it after the game.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah that was under his breath and not really.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, it was just it was like it was petulant
child when it was petulant child. But the game itself,
I thought both teams were just dire, and you think
that's that's the standards that a playoff matches are neither
of them deserved to be anywhere near And then obviously
you've got the end of it, which well you guys
can elaborate on there, but yeah, there was In general,

(04:09):
I thought it was shocking.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, I thought it was very strange the way the
game panned out, because I don't think well, what I
do think is that the lads decided to throw the
game plan out of the window a.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Little bit for the end.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
They had to a few minutes before where Benno had
gone through to just i'll put score a try and
in inverted commas.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
But we'll we'll come back to that in a second.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
But they didn't start playing until that was that seventy
five minutes that's try and I came from starting to
throw it around and then in the last minute, I think.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
If that was a kickable penalty, somebody would have had
a go. I think somebody would have to go and
probably missed and we lost. Even the players didn't it
was it was sixty yards away, but they actual try
itself was. But that's what we can do.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
That's a frustrating thing about it that we've been crying out.
I'm not asking for sixteen passes throughout the seasons every
set but three or four passed to be grades, which
in sixteen there we beat any the vendors to score
a try.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
After then, I don't I don't know if that might
be a little insighters. We keep hearing him from various
angles of Addi Robertson needs be in the middle and
he needs his hands on Sam Thompkins. But maybe that
was a little glimpse during that play of what Addi
Robertson can do when he's not being robotic and trying
to stick to a game plan so he doesn't upset his.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Coll in about thirty yards.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I like we said, like Gaz always says, like like
Percy when he was younger, magic feet, absolutely magic feet.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
He plays like a lad on the fork that that
you watch that it's like a little load on the
park and nobody can get a hold of him running
and he has got he has got super balance off
either foot.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Either way, it's a lovely player. There's no doubt about.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
What he had said about Sam Thompkins. I heard that
interview as well, and I thought, because I don't like
agreeing with Sam Tompkins. But it's these lads know, don't
they do know?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
He speaks a lot of sense talking. I like him.
I think he's a good pundit.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
For him for him to turn around and say how
talent well he said the same about Wellsby and wells
was coming through and he wasn't far wrong and he's
done the same with Robertson. But the issue is with
Robertson now we need him balling hands to create something.
But at center, I feel like he's wasted, especially when
we're not passing him the ball. Sometimes he's coming in
field to get the ball because no one's passing him.
But then things might be Hopefully things will be different

(06:41):
next year and I would like to see him ideally
half back or fall back, but he's not going to
take Wellsbley's place, and as well they've got bigger plan
for Wellsby, but he is a bit wasted at the centers.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
For me, Yeah, I think You can look at it
one or two ways, that there are two poor sides,
or that the defense is canceled each other out in
that game a little bit because we had we've got
no strike and the way we play is geared to
trying to make minimum mistakes, but we still keep making them.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
We've all Carol's looking at the coaches all caron are
super job, especially with a team that's changing regularly. I
think that you can't argue defense is a big tick.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Great.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
We say it every week, though we go on to
not get beaten and not try and win. That's just
what we do.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
We we do defense well, but at the same time
as well as we could against oky Are but the
first going skipping, not just toky A getting but a
lot of the games even leads. We're spending most of
our time in our half, so we can defend all day.
But if we can't get out of our half, we've
got to defend because we can't do anything with the ball.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So it's kind of like get a lot of practice.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yes, we ship kicking game doesn't help, does it?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
It doesn't help?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
And we have one prop it's about eighty four years old.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Now that's the issue.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
But like Matty Lee's run at a brick wall is
great behind the likes of Alex Warm's and a decent
when Parsy back in the day when Party Coming, he
was a decent player, probably second or third season name,
he was very good. So then you've got Lee's running
on the back of Parsy and look good. But now
Lee you're expecting to play eighteen minutes and mate yards
and then you're bringing Delaney or Delaney's starting with him.

(08:22):
Delaney's just a smaller version of Lee's and you're thinking, yeah,
what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, you need some more. Matty Lee's is great.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Matty Lee's will be a perfect loose come extra prop forward,
not starting prop forward who you're expecting to meet yard
on his own, because he needs other players to meet him.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
I think they want They wanted Matty Lees to be
Luke Thompson and they want George Delaney to be Matty Lee's.
And I love Matty Lees, but he's a step down
from Luke Thompson, and George Delaney is a big, big
step down for me from even Matty Lee.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Sends me up when we played Wiggan and all the
fans of cheering singing this song about Delaney comparing him
to Thompson, I'm thinking not even comparison. Delaney is absolutely
terrible and he'll run a bit wall for you. You
will spend more time went backwards and he's just forward.
He's not going to break a tackle.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Matty Les does that to a degree though.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
So if you have them to on the field at
the same time, you're not expecting to break any tackles,
which you can't fault the efforts. But Matty Lee's has
got a bit more about him than Delaney as but
it depends who you're playing with. If you've got Warms
and Mattyles at you, then it makes a difference to
the expects of Matty to make them.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
There's only warm to get the stand the field, and.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
He's only lasting.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's going to need to be overhauled.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's been a problem or season because when I'm watching
the match and rolling the eyes a lot. But my
miss is my missus says every single week when you
look at the forwards, they're pushing ours back and going
through the line and we're having to scramble to tackle them,
and our forwards are just stopping and noticeably it's we
don't have any go forward apart from big Al when

(09:56):
he's on for his first spell. There's nothing that goes
through the other line. And we've become very easy to
defend against.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
I was watching it with somebody the game before last,
I think it was the Leads game. It was like,
I can't say, it's out there on half, Like this
person watching isn't even interesting rugby, Like that's forward a shit.
It's like it's embarrassing though, because we can't. We're expecting
and we talk how good our defenses, but our defense
has got to be good because like I said, we're not.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Me and we can't even put a big kicking. I mean,
I'm not talking about making a Haddie Smith tape kick.
I'm talking just somebody who can get it forty fifty
yards down the field. We've not got anybody who can
do it. And I think at the Leads game two
things two things that fell well he is Ali fan.

(10:41):
Two things that twenty years ago. Two things that fell
in our favorite against Leeds is one day played bad
because if Leads at the Straps, we can't live with them,
and they didn't get the ball out because if they'd
got the ball out and had their centers and wingers,
they had torn us to shreds.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
But leads were really poor, and it did make me
laugh at weekend and I'm skipping the gun are when
the commentator was saying, if it wasn't windy, we'ld be
kicking it, they'd be kicking under fifty sixty meters like
obviously not what the Saints lasts.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, I said all that it was a delight to
not leads out in that manner.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
We can't argue that any I certainly enjoyed the ending. Yeah, yeah,
I certainly enjoyed that, but the previous seventy.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yes, let's enjoy that ending. Oh my god, let's enjoy
that ending. I mean, it was just.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
That was our final final. But the way they were
it will live long in the memory, the way that
the way the whole fans cheered when.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
We're counting down, exactly like the Bradford fans.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
When their hooker dropped on the ball and then they
were counting down the ten seconds and then and then
it just went suddenly very quiet, except when they must
have been able to hear the commentator he's going to
score he's going to score over Shane right when.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
You see You'll talk talk to you touched a minute
ago about the desperation of it, and there was twenty
seconds left. We get the penalty and we're on our
own what thirst five forty? Like you said, six sticks,
So Johnny's kicked to touch. Next minute, we're on the
twenty five and you're like, why can't why is it
touch you until that kick. That's the first time he's

(12:11):
put a touchline kicking like that for four.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Years, probably because he was thinking if it don't make touch,
the games over anyway, so there's no.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Real But doesn't that then come back to that old
marks need way of thinking of if you've got ten
kicks to touch, go as far as you can because
you're gonna get seven of them touch and you're gonna
gain that much territory by doing it.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
But I mean earlier in the game as a risk
that you don't met touch and the other team gets
the ball comes back at you. Wasn't that risking that
situation a lot.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Of the time, unless it's a playoff game in the season,
if you're looking to touch, half the players aren't that
switch on anyway? So there's a good chance you as
well tap it, yeah, or give it a boot, and
the wingers are just waiting for it's going to touch anyway.
Playoff games that plays a lot more switched on. But
like like Aby said, then just give the ball a
boot and see how I can get it.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
We can tap it for anyone to carry it. We
don't do it when you look.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Sometimes we sit there sometimes digressing a bit, and we
watched him kick to touch and he's like that. For
christ say you have been as well tapping it, catch
him off guard and scoot him fifteen throwing it just
as far.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I don't think like okay I did dropped back and
throw it.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yeah, I'm the addy Newman. Thing On top of that,
try let's let's revel in the harde Newman, not only
the way the cameras caught it, but then to catch
him foxtrot, oscar, interest and sailor. I'm the buce he
got from every fan of ever.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
He's going to be a problem if he plays in
the Axes. It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
There's social media with the dummy in his mouth. His
mum stood next.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
And yet there's probably no better alternative. But it's going
to be a weakness.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I think, well, there's Wardle on the other side. He's
nailed on and I'm trying to think of another right center.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
He's about the best best on ability, but his head's gone.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Your problem as well with being coached by show on Wayne,
that's not the greatest fluence to sort that Headgune issue.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
He's going to put John Bateman in the center, shown
Wayne and.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Just to get living out the teams.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
And George with all right, let's move on, let's see
it on. So we squeezed past Leads in a beautiful way.
I have to say that away semi final. I don't
think any of us thought we had anything more than
a punch just chance Auld we.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
It's very similar every time we lose to one of
the teams above us. We're losing the same way. We defend. Well,
what's going enough points to win the game because our
attacks terrible?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Oh look we scored twelve again, you know, so there
you go.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
After we'd scored that wonder try at the end of
the Leads game, I was confident going to a car,
thinking if we're going to flow the ball about like
this for eighteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
And what's going to happen? No eighty seconds.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
Well exactly, and then it's soon turned around have to
kick off.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
But in many ways it was an interesting game.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I was the first thing I noticed about it was
no Percy thinking what is going on?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
It?

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Apparently mcl that's what I was saying, but that when
you watch the mediator, when you go back to the
Leeds match.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
One of the things that I lost my stack with
Jordan the Leads match was the ball's come back and
it's been a fifty to fifty between Sailor and the
Leads player. And I've been a massive fan of Tristan Sailor,
but he bottled out Percy took that ball and being
absolutely creamed. And it's that was for me on Tristan
Sailor because he shipped out going for the ball. Percy.

(15:31):
We know Percy, Percy had fight a lion blindfolded, is
not asked, do you know what I mean? He would
and he's gone in for the ball and when you
watch it, he got bent backwards and his left legs
gone at the most horrific angle. How he carried on
that match, I don't know, but that for me was
it was It was sailor's ball probably be allowed to
It was sailor's ball to have, and sailors ship out

(15:54):
and Percy, as he always does, body on the line
to get that ball and he nearly snapped his leg.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I didn't know just had at first, but I did
look back at it when you said, and I agree
with you.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Now, yeah, yeah, it was it was unfortunate that yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Okay, well let's look at the facts again. We lost
twenty points to twelve. Oliver Gildart to Mikey Lewis and
Joe Burgess four, okay, are.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
They were two good free signings them too, by the way,
guild many on the corner from here.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
And we scored obviously a nice to Young Cross try,
a nice Robert Robertson try and two goals from Johnny Lomax.
A strange game, and the stats don't the stats don't
reflect the score in any shape.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
We had one play the ball in half.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
It was the one. I thought it was none.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I think there was one bit just like just over
the half way line. That was that was shocking.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
In the half. I thought there's none on their twenty.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Twenty and a half. There was absolutely it was. It
was the worst half of rugby APIs and was played
for but we got strangled out of it the week before.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
They did to us what we'd been doing to teams
for years under wolf is absolutely strangled us and one
field position convincingly. And then in the end it tellsn't it.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
In that first half we actually got caught on the
on the final play and tackled in four on four
occasions of one one in the second half unforgivable.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Calling for a competition semi final with a player.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Who was actually organizing for us. But I didn't see
anybody put them up and call anything to be fair.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Didn't we say, did we say sat around there a
week of three back? There's no leadership, there's no leadership
off the field, there's no leadership on the field, and
it's dial Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
If we had kicked, it would have been a better
outcome anywhere we're given the state about.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Gigers And again, no matter how bad we were we were,
we were still in that game and half time.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
But the twelve point or the eight of the twelve
points were caused when Wellesby was off with.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
A stupid car.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
That was ridiculous and that was like embarrassing what are
you doing? You never going to beat you to the
ball there, and he's pulled him back.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
He's terrible, lazy option.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Maybe I was just going to say, as said, let's
throw in, because I've said since he came back this
season he came back six weeks before he should have
done so, Like Steve said that, I wouldn't like to
ever accuse Jack have been lazed, but maybe he just
physically couldn't make it. And what I would imagine, so
if he took a short, if he's getting his arse

(18:29):
handed to him by Jay's Little, he's not going to
be happy. So I would imagine that there's a side
of Wellesby that would be like do something stupid like that, because.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Even if Lytton got the ball tackling, it wasn't like
his sprinting past him his mouth.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
He's gone past him exactly.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
And we had another bit of Ronaldo from letting the
why is this business coming into rugby league? The dive
by Little at the end of it was we should.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Have got yellow for that, the same as felt a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Felt did get a yellow.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah I didn't.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
He and he's not played since.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
That's just professional sport, wasn't it When the stakes are high. Unfortunately,
players will take any every week.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
He cheats going forward and he cheats in defense.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
So not only not only do we put ourselves behind
the eight ball with that. As I said before many times,
there were three teams in these games, and the officiating
for some of that in that first fifteen to twenty
minutes was appalling for me because there was a blatant
forward pass for Micky Lewis's try.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
There was a I'll say it again, there was a
forward pass and Guilda passed that forward to Burgess because
Burgess was stood in front of him.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
For that second try. And Hark was not sent off
either to the bin or final or permanently for the
shot on John Benison, who was lost for the game,
just a penalty since I had a three week ban and.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
The three weeks used to us whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Absolutely, they also don't.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
I've watched that clip four or five times back and
I can't say anything wrong with it. I don't think that.
I don't think there's anything wrong. I think Benison just
clips himself somewhere.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
I can't don't think it's it's not the arm that
give Beno the h i A. There was a penalty
in there, but it was the knee off the other
player that caught Benno's head.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
H that done there that fault.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
But the one the other week on was it Rymcheller
that should have got last time he went to old
k R with whacked Morgan knows and then you had.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Dazz Clark.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
And then you've got the one where das Clark's being
absolutely rattled around the nogging and had to go and
have an hi A check. So I agree with Paul
as much as a dislike.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Harsh to think about it at all. And he might
come back to your point. The refs aren't giving him
with maybe the maybe they said, because that reached Martin,
you should have got he got, He got two matches
after argues I'm not. I can't remember the incident. To
be honest, I'd have to be sober.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
But are not now?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah, no, I wasn't at the back at the
time leaping around the room. But what are your hardleaves?

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Again?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
He does nobody get SimBin for who? The stat afraid
that they won't make a call because reeche Martin should
define have gone and they get two weeks after.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's no use to us. It's Paul's live.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
It's not to the team that they're playing against. When
they lose a man and he doesn't get it, he
doesn't get the penalty.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Anyway. I agree.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I think Paul's point that arguably he's been led off there,
but the disciplinary have done him because of his previous record.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Let's Paul's right.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I hope he gets because at the end of the day,
we don't want them with another one.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
So I don't it's a massive loss for that, it's
a massive life.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
He was going to like touch on this at some point,
but the officiator that KR and then you look at
Leeds the week before and you think that there was
this official apology from the RFL. I've never heard as
much bollocks in Army life. And the fact that they
scored a try that was sorry, we're going back to

(22:16):
that end, but they had a knock on that wasn't
seen that resulted in a try. If we hadn't have
had a captain's challenge, they would have had a try
that wasn't supposed to be a try. It was just
that Johnny had a captain's challenge. And he's great at
them challenges Johnny otherwise.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Di him have got flattened though, wasn't it So he
was well aware of it.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
But then so then you go to all KR and
you think to yourself, and then you look at even
the committee with this ur Greaves thing, and I fully
agree with Paul that's not worth three matches that for
that incident. But it's absolutely bananious week.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
It changed, even like each week it changes and each
season like that.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
You know, last season that was a straight red card
and then halfway through the season's.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Completely different, it's not even a yellow card. But then
you go to.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
These grounds, it's like the old school knows road when
the fans are right on top of the referee, same
as the leads, same as the decision of the ref.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's like the way that the old what's the side
standard Saints used to swear.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
I'm saying it exactly the same, but doesn't quite have
the same effects like with the west hand and the sticks.
But it knows your old it did leads, it still
does now.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
And we've lost that, We've got we've known.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
That apology that early mentioned was just a honkingly stupid
precedent to said, because now everyone's going to get, you know,
calling for apologies their team gets a call against them.
It's madness. Why would you do that? It's just insane.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
It would almost be a better tactic to just bleed
arrogance about it, because, like you said, there was other
instances in that lead match, and then you've got instance.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
In the games every week every week.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
For me, it was on line.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
You're about the Yeah, but the Liones like twenty feet wide.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
You're already going to try different camerangle one anglic show,
the Wrangler.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Troverren Liam mor give one in a World Club final
that was three feet away from everybody. Nobody apologize for that.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
People. It's like people say the he said, I hope
this president that's been set for the first time in
how many years? We can go back as far as
the Chris Joint voluntary tackle. We can go back. Did
Michael Withers touch the ball? I just want to go
back thirty forty. You can't suddenly now spew an apology
out because the rugby football leads are pissed off about something.
It's pathetic.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
My thirteen year old daughter, who is a season ticket
older and has been for ten years, said Dad, what
a stupid thing to do.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
That is, to be fair, she doesn't realize the quality
of the RFL yet, but she's still.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
The other work.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Quality is the right word.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Why would you do that? Why would you say that?
That's now?

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Why would you apology eyes for that?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
And I might I can't explain.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
That's just but as you know, I don't like blameing referees.
We have this discussion every week and I never blame referees.
But those two forward passes, okay, our game, we're absolutely disgrace. Really,
how do they not see them? I don't know the.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Expects should or somebody listen?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, the first the first thing, that first try, the
first thing I saw when it happened, okay, forward past,
and I could not believe it.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
But he didn't.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
He just didn't even look at them past. Given we
probably stiouldn't won the game.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
But no, there is no angle that I've seen where
it doesn't look forward, actually pass forward, it's just forward.
Both are even the gil that offload this forward.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Because it must have been because just was stood in
front of him. Anyway, here we go.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Said before we lost the game anyway, because he battled
us so badly territorially they scored at some point. Probably
that doesn't mean it's okay to bad decisions like that.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
No, not so we were seasons over, we're out, We've
done so no surprise there. Let's someone look at some
talking points that have popped up this week from a
Saint's point of view. The first one I want I
want to mention is that a journalist, whether you consider
his respected journalist or not.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
He is the leading rugby how can we guess his name?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Match?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Sure has actually put puts his name Matt.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Mart I just got a swallow started with.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Tom brother Tom and actually said it conferred when he
actually put it out to say that Saints will not
be offering a new deal to poor balance as surprisingly
that that they wrote the deafening silence from the club
is a possisted all season. So we're still nowhere. Nobody

(26:59):
knows anything at the club. It's it's highly good or bad.
But you know, most of the clubs are all set
up for next season already, the clubs set up for
the next four or five years exactly. So what do we,
as I thought, what do we need? Let's if we
have if we have a magic penny.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
What do we have? We haven't got long enough on
the podcast batches again, aren't we Let's have a serious thing.
What do we need right?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Wells first thing we need is a new coach to
forget the rest of this discussion, because if we get
we could have however you want, with the same coach,
and we'll play the same crap we've been playing for
three years.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
I meant to that three seasons, so it's times up.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I think we need a and I've got a suggestion
as well. We won't get him, but I've got a
suggestion a top draw center. And I'm sick of seeing
other sides get these top draws centers like Wardle So
I'm going to and guild art. I think we should
go for Pratt from Wakefield because we need a center.
Percival's it's not going to play a full season. I

(28:02):
don't know, I don't know, but he's still you know,
wake somebody like somebody like it. We need a proper one,
not a like I was thinking in the car and
the where like Leeds got testing you you know it's
a proper top draw center, isn't it. So we need
a proper top draws center. You know, we've discussed, especially me,

(28:24):
and have discussed about Dagon or May promoting to that role,
and we think that Robertson shouldn't stay in the centers.
So we need another one, and we need a bloody
good one. You know, we've had some great ones. We
need a good one. And then the other ones we
need is at least one if not too props or.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Just just to stick with the coaching situation.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
What given given that there's no rumor, there's no nothing
of Australia that there's somebody's coming to Super League, because
it's clearly nothing from that, and what what do you
think is gonna happen at Saints? I think there's only
there's only two options.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
There's only one of the med you bring two options
for Meres or Carrol, which I don't think either ready
yet now, or the one who's ready and sat on
the sideline is Rolling.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, unless got somebody.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Personally wouldn't be against that because if you if you're keeping,
if we're keeping aiming a character club and we're giving
Lee Briers a bit more freedom, and you've got somebody
like poor Rolling in charge, then the way that those
Salford team's played over the four or five years he
was in charge.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
That would be perfect for Saints.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Dynamite, Coumbole Dynamite come and for us. You know we
used to be called the entertainers. For me, if we're
bringing Rollie and he's also got briers alongside him and
we play some proper rugby, like you say the Salford team,
but any team he's been involved in does what makes
it be great? And I don't care if it.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Was good at Lee one of.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
If we get even if we're winning thirty to twenty six,
it's better than we can win a game with twelve
points and concentrate on d You know what.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
Makes you think that role is comment is we've been
linked with Oli Partington signed Shane Right on a two
year deal, which I don't think he fully deserves a
two years. Just on the back of that, we've signed
Deane Cross, who's you have one.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
That's got to be edg.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Will link with the will link with.

Speaker 6 (30:31):
The other two and we've signed the Cross and right
then that's got poor roll all over it.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
So the I think the.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Sounding like the Bernard with Chay signed Partington and Shorts
we've got mid table mediocrity at best.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
But I'll pull you. I'll pull you up. I'm going
to pull you up. I'll pull you up there.

Speaker 7 (30:54):
If yeah, I would expect you. If we've been having
these arguments for fortes. If Rowley is the man and
the business is done, if you look at that Salford
squad and what he did with that Sulford squad, if
you give Rollie these players, but then you've got whitby

(31:16):
Roberts and Dad No wellesby Stevens. But I think the
interview when Rowley was pitchside in that game at Saints,
whoever it might have been the cast game, I think
Rowley virtually give because even when they asked him the question,
the grin on his face and he's had to turn
away from the camera. And I think if it is

(31:38):
going to be a change, it needs announcing asap. But
I think the longer it goes on, the more chance
that Wellen stays. And I am I honestly cynical enough.
I think they will wait until the renewal sales have
started before they announced that Wellows going to get a
new deal. But for your magic pen, I'd just go
with ROI because the other thing about the Aussies, and

(32:00):
we've suffered twice with it massively, which has left us
in this situation is they have two good years the
NRL come cause and calling, and then they piss off
back to Australia. So we had two scratch card wins
there with old Brook and Wolf. Neither of them tried
and tested, None of us knew anything about.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Either of them. But you get two good years in
this country and you're gone. At least you know full
well that Paul Rowley can come in. Look at Matty Pete.
Matty Pete is winning every single trophy in sight. But
i'll tell you now there's more chance that Willie Peter's
getting a gig in the NRL than Matty Pete because
of his pigging accents, and he probably don't want one.
A wig man's well, it's as simple as that. But

(32:41):
they ain't gonna even whisper about taking an English coach,
whether it be Pete, but the two best coaches at
the minute, or you've got Brad Arthur at Leeds. But
you see Willie Peters now assistant coach for Australia. Brad
Arthur was always getting linked back in Australia, even what's
his name at old Cartwright getting talked about going back
to Australia because of the accents. Matty Pete is just

(33:05):
as good a coach. He has proved he is just
as good. So for us we need such a long
term rebuild that Paul Rowlie, I mean yeah, because he's
a local guy, he's from the Northwest. He's never going
to get a gig in Australia just because he's an
arrogant and but we need a five six year rebuild.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
What I did like about him, sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
To say, his philosophy is right. The way he plays
is what we want to see. You know, we've we've
seen it. So we've lived through the periods where we've
just played brilliant rugby and it's a joy. And now
we've been we had the key in here and now
we've had the Woman's era and it's just draining.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
And also, as I think Steve might agree with you here,
we want trophies under Christian Wolf. But it was ship
to watch.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yes. What I did like about.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
The interview rolling when he was in part time at
Saints was a fact that he was asked about is
one six seven and thirteen and straight away he said
when he's when he was in Judge Salford or he's
Judge Selford. He knew exactly in pre season what is
starting spine was going to be and that I liked
about it. And he said, and he was asked about

(34:17):
the Saints spine and he said, if that was me,
I think is eleven or twelve changes this year?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Maybe more?

Speaker 6 (34:23):
Straight away he just said, you're not gonna want to
count with eleven and twelve changes.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
At half back. I'll fall back. Now that's a big
one for me.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Okay, Well, I think it's either the way you look
at it, it looks a good fit for us. It might
be the only option we've got. And the fact that
for me that Kurt Haggerty went to Bradford not so
long ago leaves me to the conclusion that a deal
has been done and Sulford aren't him in Tup League
next year.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
The Kurt taggets the thing is a good call Worrahm
because that then means that because there's no doubt Libery
as can coach, because we've all been told whether it's
wigging Wallington Australia Brisbane word but we have all been
told as a great coach. Yeah, we know him and
O'Carroll can coach because he coached Bradford and he brought
the championship record for the least points conceded two seasons on.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
What they don't want is the poison chalice, let's become
this job the head coach since and it's.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Not you need to be a big coach for that's not.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
A particularly poison challenge because if you if you play
with a bit of flair and a bit of entertainment,
I think it'd be the best job in the world
if you do that, I would stay clear of a
local lad who used to play for us if I
was looking the call.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, I think you've got to go with somebody as
president for that.

Speaker 6 (35:37):
I think there is I think you're somebody well out
the club and just complete, fresh, fresh fresh, because you've
got so many options, like you've just discussed. Then you've
got Whitby and Robertson's potential six and seventh the future
And I know we tried it years ago with gasl
and Lomax and it didn't quite work straight away, but
given time and at the end of the day they
turned on to fantasy.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Listen, next year your spine's going to be.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
Well Robertson Whitby, and then thirteen you'll be like my
happy days that.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
We'll give it an idiot to play.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
I think another I think another aspect of Paul Rollie
over Paul wellens Is. And you've got Preers and old
Carol who are good coaches in their own right, granted
not top flight head coaches, but great coaches. And you
think you've got Paul wellings may overriding your game plan
or doing whatever, and you think, hold on a minute.

(36:29):
But then if Paul Rowley says it, you think, well,
you know what, You've got credit there, You've got You've
got credit points there to be able. You're justified with
what you say.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I've got any more work with him, though, you feel
Wellens is detached.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
He's basically tried and tested coaching one.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
Thing like ABO and he does it with Hay And
sometimes you let Haggerty just go and do the introviuws
at the end of the game, which you're going to
do it were if you were weren't a Saint fan,
you probably wouldn't know who our assistant coaches are.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I know a lot of clubs you don't, but we're rollies.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
I go on, you're going to do that, and you
feel like a lot of praise when he does his
inter not praise and me praising as well.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
And so on.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
I feel like he's not just about himself and he's
like he gives whoever he's working with gets praise as
well as he does. I think he's a level headed
fellow where I'm not saying Wellens isn't, but we wouldn't know.
Like we've had discussions in the past where what Breeze
has done, what Carol's done, and you're thinking, the two
very talented coaches, what have the actually done since to

(37:28):
turn up at Saint Because we're not.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Saying anything since the defense.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think I think we've said this about this conversation
many times on the shows we've done over the years
that my point with Wellow has always been he's always
been here, he's not any experience of anywhere else, and
if you've had that experience of somewhere else, he might
have been able to realize.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
That he's not. There are always there are other ways
of playing.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
But we also thought it was completely different to Cunningham
because Cunningham from it at the deep end. But Wellens
has worked on some very very good coaches in all
brook Wolf, he's worked under Wayne and he's worked Benet.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
But transferring it to be number one is not No,
I get that. But then from what Cunningham had.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
Probably another five six years working under very good coaches.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
Think well, I also was so unlucky with that ridiculous
injury situation he had. But then once he started getting
players back, it almost became nothing changed. And a few
in the recent months, I mean we remember the comments, well,
can't pet George whitt because he's not played. Well, hold
on a minute, we've played ship teams for five weeks

(38:33):
and you've left him sat there and now you've sent
him Halifax, and it loses the the.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Young lads that came through a fluke because we had
nothing else. Robertson got put in because we had not.
He put him in a debut Wigan, you think, and
he had a blinder. Yeah, yeah, he had a blinder,
nothing else. Diagnos probably a fluke. George Whitby, it wouldn't
have been a flute, but he won't. So then but

(39:01):
then he walked at the risk.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Well, it became defensive rugby.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Certain Yeah, I think he's got the lads that have
come through probably wouldn't have come through if everybody would
he wanted to try them.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Okay, well that's I think. I think it's looking like
a preference for poor rolely. But God knows what's going
happen with the club that the silence is definite signings.
As we know, we discussed the last few. It was
twelve twelve leaving from the first team squad coming in coming.
So far we've got obviously the Cross and Sean right,
so perfect with both of them.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
To be fair, are you happy? Right?

Speaker 6 (39:37):
Apart from I don't know if anybody else is anything different,
But apart from that, try what's actually done.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
He's actually I think his defense has been quite good.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And what he has played four years at SOLF.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
And none of the he was.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
What he's got.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
He wasn't a stand up.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
We knew his name, but I found out he's.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Been at Sour for four years. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
But what is what is?

Speaker 3 (39:57):
God don't remember he played in that team that leathered us.
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
But what what he has got, what he has gone
his size now Jacob now Jacob Host who we've signed.
He is enormous, He's massive. Now people have said we've
signed this Jacob as he is an n our old
journeyman ship is this, that and the other? Jacob Ost
has played the same amount of games as Curtis Cynony.

(40:21):
He's two years younger than Curtis Cyony and is he
played the same amount of games as Synonym in two
seasons less than. I don't know if he's taking synonyms place,
but he's been signed.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
We don't actually know anything yet.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
But but these are size. These these are size.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Is a big, a big, but we don't use it.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
We don't use Whitney right.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
He's not a lot of people, but he's not used to.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
What he exactly what I have just said.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
He was an.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
Attacking, running running who was effective in the in the
opposition thirteen twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
We use him out of our own version twenty meter
line as a battering round.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeahs our wingers and centers that as well, and expect him.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
To get on the end of the well. He's not.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
He's not quite as good a version of League Gilmore,
but we'd.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Have a great analogy.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
We have probably killed League Gilmore in this currenty Y Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
I'm really really rate Matt.

Speaker 6 (41:23):
I think I had a great, great player and the
last few games it started at the beginning was beginning
the last season when he sat was he had top
try scored after like three or four games because I
played some expansive rugby and then for some reason we
put the Q on the rack and didn't played the
rest of the season. But with Whitley, for me, definitely,
I don't think he's signed new deal yet.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
He's up.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
He would be one out of the sixteen out of
contract and obviously knew the players were going. Whitley would
have been one. I would have signed Cohen. I would
have given a new contract too. And you know what
a lot of people might You might turn on around
on this table and say, no, I disagree. I'm not
that bothered. If a keeper, I'm not that fussed.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
I'd keep if the leave.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Is going to stay, but they've not announced it yet. Well,
as I say, the silence is definitely and.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
I think we know who's leaving because they give him
the moments in the sun the players awards ceremony give.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Most of the players away that we're leaving. Before presentation.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
On the presentation night, they each got the plaque and
they got the shirt, so we pretty much know who's
But another position that we are going to be desperate
for in the next is.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
OK, I'm coming.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I'm coming to that because the questions that is, we
dealt with the coach situation, but the signings is not
necessarily who we need.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
But what we need.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
We're jumping the gun here because we're that frustrated because
we don't literally know nothing, and it's literally just him
just saying saying it's come out the day of the
presentation and tell us the players that we know that leaving.
But again we're just guessing now that Syon's staying. And again,
Syrin has been a good player and I'd be happy
to keep him on a decent contract. But from rumors

(42:57):
going around, what money he wants to stay around ninety
five hundred K. I'm not keeping saying it no because
I let him go, But what other teams he's not
going to go back to, and what other super League
teams apart from the team's coming up, are going to
pay that money?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Catalans go play with Bailey.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Apparently we've been looking with Bailey he's another one we
don't want, we don't need him, but I think I'm thinking,
I know.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
We definitely don't want Parting to ensure for me, we want.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
To prop a good prop.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
I would take Partington non decent money, no, not for
me never. He's a bit of a grub, but I
wouldn't mind him total grub. Why but then who you're
looking out there?

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Now? I remember you?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Do you know who?

Speaker 5 (43:44):
I remember you saying that? But he's absolutely.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
He can go.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
And Robbie Mullern and Owen Trout was another one because
I Dispine. I really don't like le and I don't
like their coach. But christ a Mighty, they make players
do school rain things that they've ever done.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
But I've got a lot of time from Matty Pete
and he filters out the crap he got rid of,
shots he got and the new one is getting rid
of it was also crap is burn. He sees good,
and he sees.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Good Old Warrington.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Wiggins cast off forward. That's where he's going, like all
the other one. Matty he knows. So if we want
to compete at that level, we can't be signing these
wigging cast offs.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Had to let Burt because if you speak Matty Peter's
interview was like, we didn't want to let the play
a girl. Warrington offered ridiculous money for him, and I
don't know why Warrington James Bell situation in the situation
they're in, because the pain over the odd not great
players burn for Wigan is probably the worst prop forward
and we're gonna happy to get rid of him. But
they were not saying to me dropping But if you're

(44:50):
looking for somebody who's going to rough it up and
get stuck in with a decent coach, I don't think
he's I don't think he's a bad, bad player. But
the issue is, well he has coached. Who Ever comes
in more money, whoever comes in there is going to
have a hard, hard job because everybody's going to cos
and it's impossible.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
You need to need two players to replace. Don't get
me wrong.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
At least I want no one near the squad, maybe
three a couple oftentially say you.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Know what, we'll give a chance.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
But to come back to your point about what we
need rather than who we need, I think we need
more than we can reasonably get in one off season. Yeah,
I think there's probably at least two props full squads,
props hooker, hooker, a center, arguably a winger, because Murphy
is a sick not jobany.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
The same part of your reasoning for that those is,
like we've said, is when you've got the likes of
Johnny and Walms and they're too much money and for
too much time, So we can't reinvest in the squad
because we've got so much cash tied up in these.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
And that's where it's probably going to be a build up,
a rebuild job for longer than one season.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
For the players we're leaving in ror Rich and Davis
has left mid season. Benson and by you're talking over
two hundred and fifty grand there, and just Bell.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Matcha la Bell knows you're talking about someone the Wingfields
he get did he get a new deal? Wingfield?

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Right? Do you know what again you'll laugh at me here.
Wingfield's only twenty four. If Wingfield's not on a great
deal of money. Yes, he is very much injury prone,
but at some point that lad is due a break.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
And he's probably.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
I don't think he's good enough.

Speaker 6 (46:35):
I don't don't forget he plays in that Penrish game
as well. You know, he's only still a young lad
and I think not a great contract.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Lewis Dodd played in Paul. Is his agent so.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
Happy he is not getting a contract at catl And
I think he's got a lot to prove because at
the end of the day at Saints we will see
Lewis Dodd at Catalan. If it was Wellens his tactics
that would made him ship or he is actually ship.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
But I think I'll tell you what will be sick
you imagine if he comes to Catalan, well, rip it up.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
I feel sorry for DoD and I hope you do.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
That will look very bad on mister Wellings if that happens.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
Only back to who we need to sign the issues
with saying link with the watch his name Douglas?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Is it from Wigan? Well, if Douglas comes in at Wigan.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
What's that about? That deal?

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Is a winger really fast and to be faced, a
lot of the Wigan forums they're disappointed that they're letting
him go into the Miski.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
If the rooms are true.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
They've got because they've got If we can't get in
their team, or what are we doing with him for
at all?

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Because I can't because they've got echlessle Miski and Marshall.
To be fair, Marshall still playing. He's got the dream.
I don't actually know we've got the dreams in the shape.
I don't think he's done that well, but yes is over.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
He is in Matty Pet's dream. That Douglas.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
That's the thing with Wigan at the minute, because they've
given all the main players year deals. The young players
aren't going to get a chance now for the next
four or five years. So the Saints turn around and
say that Douglas, whatever, listen, we're gonna You're gonna behind
Feltz and Murphy next year. But then after that that
position Jaws, Well I'm getting I'm getting in the Saints
team three four years before I am at Wigan.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Well, I think he'll be in the same team if
he's if he's competing with Felton Murphy.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
He'll be in the same team weeks, second week exactly.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
So you're looking at that and you're thinking, right, he's
going to come in is a young lad. It's fast,
which we need pace. We've talked about dagnall potential to
go in center, and it looks it looks like he's.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
A ball player, looks like the size.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
He could pretend to play center, so per is only
going to get ten next again, he's just he's just
playing on the back of strapper at the minute, you
need if Dagna was not going to go to center,
you need to sign two centers because.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Pertainly one, we certainly need one.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Unless you've got any kids coming through six and seven.
Would be nice to see Whippy and Robertson give a chance,
but I don't think that's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
It'd be a bold decision to do that.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
It might do be a bold decision then realistically, prop wise,
I would if you're going out and your other coaches
saying I would love to see to samund or Tonglan's
come in as prop forwards and a big back roller. Besides,
then you're looking on the loose forward.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
I think this, Jacob cost I think you'll go thirteen.
It might be he might be whatever he puts him, whatever,
whoever is. It depends again, like they've just nailed it
these two. It depends who the coaches. Because it depends
who the coaches. If it's the right coach, we have
a completely difference behind next year.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
You also might laugh at me. I would potentially I'm
waiting for it.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
I'm waiting for it.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
If Wells wis you won and see Robertson and Whitby
went six and seven. I would have said on the
bench as a backup nine, six one. You know what
every worries the beginning of the season, every da including me.
I thought, we've paid a lot of money here for him,
and yes it's a lot of money to off the bench,
but when he's played at nine, he's been effect. When

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he's coming at one, when he's going on six and
he can cover right, you can even play. I would
have him on the bench and say, listen, come on,
that's absolutely fine.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
I think what there was we signed him to play
six and it didn't work out and playing there, so
then you're left with like what do you do with him?
And he ends up getting.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Him as a running six and we haven't got a seven,
or we have got somebody, we haven't got a pack.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
We were playing behind.

Speaker 6 (50:27):
Its depend the coaches and who the six and seventies.
But if they did go to the young kids, you're
gonna end up with Lomas and Sailor in a situation next.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Year we're fourteen and nine or fifteen.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
The things Sailor will bring you, the journey, the thing
that I if I honestly, if it was my club,
I'd try and scrape together. However much Johnny Lomax is
left going on the remainder of his contract, just say right,
those one hundred and fifty grand thanks very much for
a wonderful career. Do what But with Sailor expensive to
have on the bench. But what he has got is

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that electric pace that you bring him on at a
stage of a match, because that terrifies people. Done it.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
He hasn't really has he He's got he has.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
He's got this discussion year before. We don't pitch.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Even ten percent of the Bevan French. Nobody, Nobody saying
year two wasn't that good in year one?

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Year?

Speaker 5 (51:22):
But Bevan French wasn't that good in one?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, But you look at Bevan French. I watched the
other night and Sailor and there's no, there's not There's
not even a comparison at all.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Bevan French is the best ever super player and the
best ever wigging in both popping, which absolutely in my
mind Bevan French.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
But there you go. But I think I would I
I'd be attempted to let's sailor go back.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
It doesn't work like that, guys. No, No, I think
it's I think it's two years.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
If it's only got two years to let him plays year.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
I thinks he's up PlayStations.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Business things can happen. Actually, we're not in public sector here.
In business things can happen. Thing people can be paid
off and got rid of.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
That's a different.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
So let me ask you a question. Then, Gas, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Defensively is completely inept, completely inept. You can't play him
at one.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
You can won't even catch the ball nine, which maybe
two or three times twice a season.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
Maybe I thought he made a difference when he come
on and he did use his pace to get around
the forwards. Then that's an option because he's not ice,
he's got players around him, he's not isolating on his own.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
And if the.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
Year's come off the bench as a sub and he
knows his game before the season starts, you're going to
cover basically at nine, And if you need to be
covered at six or seven.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
He players nine, he's going to defend somewhere else. He
can't defend at nine.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
But then obviously he's going to be.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
But were stuck with him, you guys, I think so
if we're stuck with him, nine's about it. If if if.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
If, if, like you say about you only get rid
of a player, for me to buy a player out,
to get rid of the choices sailor Lomax, because they're
both can be on big money and as amazing as
Johnny is. In defense, I think, and I've said, I
think Johnny Lomax is one of the bigger issues we
need to get around.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Would be the one to go.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I think, I think hopefully we get because.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
He's not going to get, no potential to get better,
He's just gone.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
He I think it comes back to the argument that
you and I have, not an argument, an agreement we've
had that we don't know the extent and the quality
of the players we've got until we see them with
a coach that finds space and releases them, and as
an attacking system.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
That gives these players the ability to show the ability
I think poor role.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
If we get him, we will do what he said
just the process. We'll do what he said, and I
think he will. But he goes something like Jack Robertson
and whitby, which means Sailor won't be in that one,
six and seven, so he's best bet if the space
is on the bench.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
I don't I don't think when you say about what
we need in the squad of the players we're talking about,
I think that the thirteen situation, as you mentioned about Knowles,
I don't think we can look at trying to replace
Morgan Knowles. So we do what the majority of other
teams we make do it that position with a decent

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forward because we are going to need to invest in
a nine, and a nine is crucial. So rather than
go and try and find a thirteen and give it
Mega books, get someone who could do a job at thirty. Yeah,
but there's there's other parts of that team that need
the heavy money spending on it. Before, in my opinion,
before the loose form, every.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Other team have gone out and Saints come out, Oh
it's struck signed props. Why have you seen signing props.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
In imber Chris Satty? How much we're raving about Chris Satter.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
We just.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
We need to go out and sign three, I'd say
two or three massive forwards like we had back in
the day, even like a Tony pull two in the
back row or Solly Owler, somebody is going to intimidate
oppositions were now you're just thinking we've got nothing, Tom
goes off.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
You're thinking the complacency to not replace has been outrageously bad.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Massive. Yeah, Yeah, that's a big that's a big.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
The issue is and I think goes on to Paul.
The longer we leave it, because Roley can pick up
rips and drops can't get left. That's probably not Saints
thinking this as long as possible. If the good Yeah,
he'll pick up.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Some fan, Paul Rowley, I'm gonna wit and see what
they're gonna do, what they can promise of recruitment wise,
if I've taken that.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Job, because that's a fair point.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
It's it's a poison jealousy anyway, isn't it the moment?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
The money of it?

Speaker 6 (55:57):
If words, if we're going off what Amon said in
the season and we're going to spend the cat next year,
there's a mega amount of money available Saints with the twelve.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Great and some great players already there.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
M hmmm.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So you see about what puzzle What puzzles me is
why the likes of Lee even Leeds have all been
able to pull in quality. I will call them Islanders
because Tongans Fijians spend.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
I think Saints have always been in this situation where
they don't want to spend the money. And because Saints
have been so successful, teams have come and you listen
to like not teams players have come to Saints because
they're winning trophies and you listen to like sometimes the
Gilmours or the past players who've been at lately on
price when you listen to the fan forums that they've

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been at and it's like, we could have gone to
other team for more money, but we went to Saints
because they were successful and the and the plans for
the future. Well, I think Saints have stuck at that.
With the likes of O. We've been caught up all
spending big money on players and Saints they're like, well
that player is not worth a season. Before last we
were interested in Davis was it when he left Catalan?

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And apparently Okay are often thirty grand and Saint Saints
we're not. We're not matching lost a player. So again
saying with Walters, you went to Wigan, apparently you're talking
about twenty five thirty grand difference, Saints didn't match Wigan.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
In their team.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Now, yeah, yeah, it doesn't stop there, does it, Jake
Wald or Joe Burgess.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
It just doesn't heard saying, didn't you he wants the
team to be seventy five per home road, doesn't he?
Which tells me you don't want to spend that money.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Now, you see, Steve, that that well that has served
us so well over the years is incredible. But they've
even well, they've even become complacent on that side because
in recent past it and as you know what I'm
like with me on it, the game and a Nix
was almost Saint's almost a carte blanche with that club.

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But now war intone in there and we've got we've
got mates that I've got mates. Third, who got lads
who were in this year's under seventeen statlee team. Nine
of them got signed to scholarships. Only four of them
have gone to Saints. And these are die hard Saints fans.
You know they're going to Wigan and they're going to
Warrington before now, within recent months, one of my mate's

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kids is initial contract with the Saints. His scholarship, if
you will, was up and it was due for him
to get his first proper contract. Now it wasn't with Saint,
so he had gone to Wigan instead of Saints. So
Wigan said to him, right, well there's what we're going
to give you for your first contract, and go and
speak to other clubs see what they offer. This lad

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went down to Saints with his father and Saints didn't
even have anybody there to meet him, and in the
end the ushered him into a side room where there's
late just as an afterthought kind of thing. They walked
out of her and they went over to Robin Park
and were met by the wigging training staff and Radas
was there and all the way these kids are now
was at one point they wanted to come to Saints.

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So that well that Russie wants us to have hasn't
got the water flowing through it anymore.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
And it's their own fault.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
Like Grahams just said, Warrington have watched us, Wigan have
watched us. They've seen what we've done and they've improved
on it. Where the complacency again it comes. It's not
just the juniors, it's the first team, it's the supporters.
It's the communication that happens, doesn't it will copy you, Yeah,
and then you've got to go with them. But then
without the whole disconnect of the club, the apathy towards

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the supporters. I like, the Player of the Year thing
was a prime example. Let's email all the season tickets,
but we've drawn it the night before.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (59:39):
I missed out last last podcast because you're all mentioned
about the highlights of the season. I listened back, and
my I just want to add now, my highlight was
mid season when the water bottles come out.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
The players all at the water bottles.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
That was my highlights of the season, because Saint said
there's big music coming at midday.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
So the next minute the first team players got a
new water bottles, and my, what on earth? That just
tops last season off?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Absolutely tin pots that hang on, hang on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
If that was your highlights, what was low lights?

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Yeah, well Magic Weekend probably there's too many Lomax better
than fiasco. Magic Weekend probably.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
I agree with what Darren said the other time. The
lowlight was the disconnect that's appeared from the play again.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
It's so it's so bad, and like you said, you
don't want to go out calling and slagging them off.
But they're not giving the fans anything. And like I said,
I think Wellans was asked at the Leads game or
the sort of the cast game about his spine, his
favorite best spang going to the playoffs a clue is
eleven more than.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Paul said that anybody was doing that punditry stint that
Wellens didn't know his best te him He didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
And we've changed its twelve times this season. We we
don't even know our coach for next year. That we
was the last game of the season and we still
don't know our best spine. We know our coach was
for next year, who our best spine was, what players
are coming in, and at that point we didn't know
what players were going out. I'm thinking this is like
becoming a complete joke. And they're expecting fans in the

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next couple of weeks to renew season tickets and they
give the fans nothing to renew sing together for them.
You speak to opposition fans and they're like, oh, well,
you just just because you lost a few seasons. It's
not because we've lost a few seasons. Because our repeat myself, insane,
I'm not bothered about going watching the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Game that I've lost as long as walk away and
I'm entertained. I think I could lose all season.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
That's the argument you're seeing in a lot of places
when people that don't watch Saints every week, and some
of these commentators pissed me off with it as well.
Is well, what's wrong we got here? Was only one
game off all Trafford. Yeah, but you haven't seen what
we've seen for the last three years.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Matthew's show hasn't seen Saint played for about twenty years.
I'm sort of if you think it's well, should get
the two years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
That's because there's New York.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Well, yeah, but there's a It is true that a
lot of other clubs fans it looks like and just
think it's like first world problems because they've got, you know,
bigger problems.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Bigger problems.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Well we'll leave it at
that point. So we know what we need, but we
are none the wiser as to whether we're going to
get it or not. Let's just say I look to
the girls team lost the Grand Final two weig in sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Twelve on Sunday night, I went, I know it was
a it was a It was a cracking game. I thought.
I watched it and when they played earlier on the season,
I thought, I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Thought we wouldn't looking I think I think we would
have won with a couple of girls that we had
missing that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Yeah, we did have a lot of injuries, wigging with
actually one to seventeen. And when we was we was
in the ground before the game, and you could see
when you've got Jodie playing at stand off, and you've
got you've got Becker playing at full back and not
it's all over the place. You've got you've got Berry Sale,
Betty Sleeve was playing in the center against Gary I
mean Molly Jones, and it was and we said before

(01:03:02):
the game, every time they go down that Wiggan left,
our players need to get over and help Bery silly out.
But you, like Paul said that about it was what happened.
It mirrored what happened earlier in the season. The girls
team is mirroring the men's team.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
Do you not think you're sitting there, I don't watch
a great deal of girls. I do when I kind
of will well, I feel like the girls team are
exactly the same as men's and they have that's from
the club where they're not backing the women's as much
as he should do. We're going to come in strong
in every department that's men's, women's academy and a team

(01:03:42):
are coming up and we're just going backwards and feel
that's the same with the women's as well.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Is it not inevitable success? He's going to get a
little of it is.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
But again I'll go back to now juniors again that
this Saint's girls team as it don't sounding funny as
inspired a generation of girls in our town to play
rugby both in the last season or so, all the
best ones have signed up, wigging they even going to
Lee because Lee Miners have got late Lee Minors girls

(01:04:11):
set up. Is that good that they've got a better
open age team than Warrington can ever put out? That
either of the whole clubs that Featherstone can put out,
and that's Lee Miners, they've like four. But in our
girls team you've got Gasking, Cunning and Rudge, Shanny Crowell.
These have all been like doing twelve thirteen seasons. Yeah,
and they're absolutely and again complacency from the club maybe whatever,

(01:04:37):
but it mirrors the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
It needs an overhaul.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
I thought on that I watched the match too, and
I thought Casey was a huge loss.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yes, she was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Really good and since she was really getting into them,
and the shame she was a big loss when she
went off. I was like, oh, that's a bad one.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
And the other one that makes the difference there if
if Amy is playing, then Molly Jones isn't in the
game because because Amy absolutely monsters knowledges. She did a
cruise ship at the start of the season. She came
back and she played three games and snapped the leg.
Now Amy was again the season was because she is

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the best player in the game. There's nobody close to Amy,
and that's where we lost the game for the girls about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Anyway, a grand effort, a really good effort. I thought
they were looking.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Okay. And something I picked up on today the confirmation
to day that r c G signed for London.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Oh yeah, that's that's actually this is weird, classically classic.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
And the confirmed that used the coach. So I am
thinking they are in. They are in.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
That's a good appointment. Demetri, I'll give you that. But
our CG just smacks have what they seen before with
London over the years, A million times expensive aging import
and nothing changes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Well, we've had a few of them, to be fair.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Yeah, but we back it up with decent youth and
then we siang make good domestic signings. They put their
expensive Aussies with a load of like you know, championship
level players go back down for worthy game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
But on my point, my point is not necessarily that, I mean,
I agree with your point, but that if they're pushing
the boats out signing in r CG, the the others
coming in. I'm sure Tom she was the coach to lose,
have just won the Grand Final. Good fantastic results, await,
wasn't it. I'm pretty sure Bradford going to get the nods,
so it's all for to go out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Those are the three. I think.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Bredford in London, you think I think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
London.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
I think York sign Paul Vane. It's tough to confirmed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
There's rumors this this is well, I think it's gonna
be a tough one them because that would take us
to fifteen, because I don't I think I'm pretty sure, Hey, I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Don't think to lose a coming up. But they've won,
they've won the Grand fin What they're going to.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Say, this is what they're going to say, I am
don't care about that in there. That's not in their.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Fantastic facilities as well.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
But somehow, somehow they will fudge it that to lose
don't reach the twelve points required.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Right now, I don't think they're ever in the plans
may extinct.

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
I think London, York and Bradford that were coming up,
I agree with that, and I think just spilt the party.
And now, like ad just said, I think the RFLO
come up with some reason why they can't join.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
See, let's look at it there. Like like we said
the other week, you've got York signing King Henry and
all his merry men.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
You've got.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
London with all the Aussies and the fanfare that's coming
with that, and the simple fact that slimy Gary went
down there. As soon as Gary Editington went down there,
you think, hey, I so much going on here. And
then we've got big Nige and Bradford. We don't need
to say anymore. And I think to lose will get
royally shafted because the other thing, if to lose come up,

(01:08:07):
you imagine you can build on that derby because I mean,
don't get to lose is the I think it's the
third biggest city in France. It's a monument and it's
a rugby league city and you imagine what you can
build between to Lose and Catalan and this should be
thereby rights. It's not like London have got decent facilities.
But Bradford ship all it's always has.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Been a ship, or it always will be a ship
as long as they're playing. It's a dump some speed
away there though, and the pictures.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
And even regulation size. But I think it's a foregone conclusion.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
I think it is. Yeah, that's going to be a
really interesting one space.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I mean that that information. I'm sure that information is
due to come out next week after the Grand Final.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
I believe it's not too far off, you know what.
I'd even it'll cause problems if it is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
I wouldn't be surprised if this sne three because of
development in the last twelve months. Others Field should have
been getting their own season on stage ground back and
then they were playing in ali Fax for a year
and doing it. I that is be the way because
all four of them will bring benefit to Super League
and it's it's more than it's been extreme. But i'd

(01:09:21):
get but for Ken Davey, being what he's done for
that club, I'd get shut of others Field Shelford have
obviously gone and I'd bring the four of them.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
Also to lose and cause much seeing if they don't
get in now they were the like off York.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
All right, So that to watch his space.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
A couple of other things to point out, We're gonna
have ano another show towards the end of the year,
after the after or during the Ashes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
What about that Australian Grand Final, by the way, what
a game?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
What a game?

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
We're like, I don't think you're gonna see that on Saturday.
You're gonna see a dour defensive struggle. Well if if
they come up for it in this everybody will say
as a classic because it goes set for.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
You should mention that Grand Final time. Let's have your predictions.
You can start steing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Sadly, head says wigging by not many because it be
lost scoring wigging by six gas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Okay, I want hal to win.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
We can't call him as much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
As much as I can't stand the horrible grub that
is Mike lewis shame what he's become because he was
such a great player.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Mag if he's ever begin and want to be like then.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
He's just a six year deal and he what you're saying,
I'm going for kr that is that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Like what you really think? Is that just what you want?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
What I want? Okay for a sensible suggestion.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
I would right, okay out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Not like.

Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
I think we're gonna win. I think we're gonna win
by fourteen sixteen points.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Comfortable, big win.

Speaker 6 (01:11:04):
I have got any chance, then, I think Hard Greaves
a massive decision which is going to come with that
night tonight, isn't it Tuesday? I think that's a massive decision.
And if ky have got any chance against Wigan, they've
got to scrap what they've done the last twelve months
and just played rugby, which he did last season, which
we were entertained by. Mikael Lewis is a prime example

(01:11:26):
of what player used to be when he used to
play off the cuff. Yes he still does a bit now,
but he's not half the player what he was last year.
I got any chance to beating Wigan, they've got to
go scrap the tactics and just play off the cuff.
And I think that will frighten Wigan more than anything else.
To be if Wigan play that, they know what's coming. Basically,

(01:11:49):
oh hot off the press. The Robins have successfully appealed,
have they.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Morgan knows it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Morgan knows it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Yeah, weak band Mike Mike Rush was representing him apparently
happy as well for that that that changed his views.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Anybody got some lawyers? These playsant they obviously I want
to win. I want to win.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
That's a massive turning point already. And like I said,
if Oky, I go out and play because I thought
last year that costume because he changed, they didn't. They
didn't play played a certain weight all year. It got
to the Grand Fire and they played light Wigan. Why
are you changing your tactics to play like Wigan? You've
got to play off the coff and play against Wiggans
against something comment.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
To put back in But Wiging wasn't that good against Lee.
It was just a couple of moments of french Field.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Very far fromunbeatable with very fast.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah, there was only a couple of more game different
from them, this them, this them three, isn't it french
Field and Smith that was but that they weren't massively
better than I think what hard he is back in.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Yeah, and they've got burn.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
And we's gonna sunk about that as well. That's not mentally,
that's a cracking shift in mental as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (01:13:05):
It's gonna be the last game and so he's gonna
give it all as long as it gets sent off
off if he gets in, if he gets in the
same style early doors and is not the one to play.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
I want. The one and only reason I've got to
want OKAYR to win is because we're gonna getting mighty
close to our total number of super League titles, and
three on a row puts them a little bit too
close to fall in a row for my liking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
But I think we do.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
I think the weather's gonna have a lot to do
with it as well if we get one of them
pissing down Grand Final nights, but I think we're gonna.
I want Wiggan to win and I think Wigan will win.
I want them to win, yeah, because I respect what
wigging and wigging the better for I just prefer wigging
than okay for me, Okay than the same brackets lee

(01:13:54):
as much. The only reason I've got.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
For either of them are on my read when it
comes to hatfulness for.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Not for not wanting. The only reason to not want
Wiggan to win is because of the total trophy count.
But I would if I think Wigan, I'm going to
Wigan either way, I won't. I won't Wiggan to win,
and I think we're gonna win.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
I think it'll be I'm good, tight game. I go
with Stey. I think it'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Unfortunately, I think okay, I will try and nullify Wiggings
so it'll think.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Right if they try to play their own game, They've
got problems there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, I think they need they need to they need
to play their own game. I think if they play
their own game, the cargo are better than better than
a good chance. I think if if a caveat it
with if they play their normal game, I think can
win it because they wouldn't comfortably the other week.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
I think go tough against Wigan. I think they're a
tough team and what we're gonna They've got some big
lads Wigan. But like I said in December, you'll fall.
If you get his face early doors and attack you've
got it. Exactly the same with Evan French and Field.
But the chance you take If someone's going to go
out and take them out, you've got something else on
the back of it. So you've got to do it
as a team. You can't do it as an industry.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
They do like heavy on those two because poor games
they could be sunk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Yeah, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
I'm gonna go with a narrow hooky I win, but
a decent scoring games I would love a hooky. I'm
going twenty eighteen something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
I've got a point for those two.

Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
Hopefully we've learned the lessons from last year. But like
Steve just said, then if you take Field and French
out that situation. As good as Harry Smith is, Harry
Smith is nothing without Field and French.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
He has got a very good kicking game, but.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
He's not going to beat you by himself at all.

Speaker 8 (01:15:28):
Worners Field and French can beat you, but the way
to get into them in Wigan is go hard and
go strong early doors and if if hooky, get the
hupperand and nullify them in the first twenty minutes and
get as many points on the board as they can
before a half time a battle gear.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Right, Okay, well, thanks very much liked. Just before we go,
just like say thanks to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Steve, thank you very much, Gus, thank you, Paul, thank
you very much, and Lady thank you very much. And
we'll see it again during or after the ashes and
enjoy rugby league because we can enjoy it now

Speaker 6 (01:16:11):
M hm.