That Saints Pod 2025 Episode 8

Reasons to be cheerful....part 1-listen as the lads discuss Saints' upturn in form ahead of the trip to Hull.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Come on nice. Shown in the corner Jobby Barton dock
you very much, lack of it's dicker. Why it's going
to the screen. What's he going for day? He's trying
to keep the scorder.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello and welcome to that Saints podcast recording on twenty
seven eight, just after Saints a couple of wins. I'm
grown Gunliff recording gets Rainford Lady Food. We're sponsored by
David Rigby Construction of Rainford. So what are we're looking
at this week? Well, maybe maybe just wor script the
green shoots of recovery. I've got some saging nods here

(00:41):
from the lads in the in the in the studio
here two wins, a good winter that for a forty
o'h Hammond and the Dragons and forty six.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Core on the over the Giants last week.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
And there's some interesting games to come which will also
be out we look at We'll be looking at Mattis's.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Comments, having a couple of minutes about the Cup.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Final, looking at looking forward to the things to come
with the Saints.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
So who was with us tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well at the.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Eighteen are in tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
The ball.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
With eighteen all the reserves used to call them in
the eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Still up the good evening and evening or a last well,
well we look at with the smiles, the smiles Whilebury
cording this week, it's it's a bit more interesting after
the last couple of games, looking a bit of looking
at a bit of detail at the Catalan game and
the other skills game, and don't want to talk more

(01:35):
generally about the changes that have made these results come
about and what's happened, whether whether they're fortuitous or whether
they're actually planned. We can we can use on that.
So last time, last show, we were predicting a win
against the Catalan but we were quite sure how many.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Buy I was. I was fifty to fifty. If you
remember about that game, I was worried about it.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, well I think that I always go a wind.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, I thought being at home with that give us
the edge, but not by forty points.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Optimistic Gas.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
You should see this week's aptimistic Gas.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
He's even made notes this week I have I have.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, well, well, yeah, we'll have to be fair. We
thought that benefit was with the tough clubs on the final.
The weekend before him, we had a week off, so
we were we weren't with a better chance than normal,
but forty was something else, really some libertrific performance. And
and subsequently Steve McNamara got the uh got the boots

(02:40):
from from Cattle and and he's the long he is
the longest serving coach at the moment.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
It was here before. Well, I'm not sure if i'd
actually still announced this. It's strange he left kind of quietly.
It was nothing on their website, nothing on the Super
League website. One of the men you know news sources
actually actually report it. But he isn't there anymore because
we saw at the weekend Joe Tomkins coach the team
against exactly. Rumor has it he's lined up to replace

(03:07):
Brad Arthur if he leaves Leeds.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Serious.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, that's that's the that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Serious is a good question. Well, Brad Arthur's doing a
great I'll see.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Why you think they're not serious. I thought, I don't
think letting Arthur is going to be their choice.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, no, yeah, rumored for the new.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Per the new franchise and them are big or sam
Burgers in the frame and a.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Strange interview with Sam Burf came refusing to deny rumors
saying they're only rumors till they're not rumors you were saying, and.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
The smirking he'll be lucky again an Australian job based
on ninth place in Super League exactly if the team
we can beat us.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
If I was in charge of then r L team,
I think I look elsewhere the best on his record
so far, although I do think he's probably putting all
his eggs into the cup final basket and a minute.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Maybe he's played somewhere, He's played some understred team show.
Well that's the injury to arrest show. Anyway, we turned
up thinking on I think it was a Thursday night,
wasn't it ye, And I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'll tell you. He knocked me over in the airport
the next day.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I was, I was. I went over the next day
and I'm interesting bumped into somebody. But you can't complain
at forty, can you? But this is, as said George
Whippy's breakout game.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Maybe yeah, it's also yeah I did. I mean after
the confusion of the Leeds Rhinos game of the team
selection when he had Paul Bellans and Johnny Lomack on
the bench and then dragged buncing off after half an
hour and tried to change things that way. That was
he went with that idea from the start this time
and put Johnny in from the start, and they said,

(04:55):
Wendell then Tristan sailor on the wing, which is working
out well. I think because he's got he knows where
the line is, the try line.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
He was instrumental in the first two tries with the break.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
But it looked for me for the first time that
Whitby was fully in control of that attack, and it
was all the better for it. I thought, well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
There's one thing for showing me in these couple of games,
but the attack has been better. I think that. Do
you think that's the Brees effect, that's the effect of
players coming.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
No, I think it's the effect of finally hitting the
right formal formula without without doubt. Jack asked to play
one one hundred percent, and I think perhaps hundred percent
has to play one. The last two games has been incredible.
I think putting Johnny and Whitby at six and seven,

(05:45):
like I said before we started, I think it's like
Whitby playing with his dad and Johnny is Johnny, Yeah, yeah,
Johnny is such a he's playing like a stable, influencing
role and letting the lad lead and have his head
as against Johnny saying I'm in charge, you follow me.
He's almost sitting back and let be letting whit be

(06:07):
free to play, and it's fantastic and raining in a bit.
Sometimes I think it's fan and I think we've absolutely
found for me, and I know you guys think differently,
but for me, Sailor's only position in the team, which
is wing. I don't think he can possibly play one
six or seven. And for me, Sailor on the window

(06:27):
and that first try stepped inside and gone that that's acceleration.
I don't know if he's got full length pace, but
that short pace is very quick and he passes up
pretty well.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Pace.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, is a massive balance, and I think without doubt,
and I think he far more so than Benison, because
on that game, I was like, should he really get
that shirt to head of Bennison? You know we always
Benison gives a hundred percent blah blah blah blah blah.
Within ten minutes, you knew that it was a better
off because if he stepped inside, flew down past that

(07:04):
ball to Whitby. So for me, from now on, sailor
either players on the wing or he's next to the
wing on the A three eighty battles. I think.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Same for me. I think he gets a lot of stick,
and he's had a lot of stick on certain certain
websites in the town. He gets loads of stick on it.
He's not, he's not. I tend to disagree because you come,
if you come round as other side of the world,
you text your and there aren't many who've come to
the the other side of the world. Both ways. Hits

(07:39):
the ground running the odd one there. Even Jamie Lyone
wasn't setting the place on fire. It was pretty quickly though,
but was still only.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
I think I like sail on the wing.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
The other thing is he's not played in the half back.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
He hasn't. He hasn't. I'll give you that, but i'd
think he should. I think, I think, and if Johnny
gets injured then then he'll go there I wanted, but
I don't. I just it's been great. I mean when
he ran around Swift that weekend, gone, Swift's not slow.
So I just thought that was It was a revelation
that night, and I almost felt like we finally got

(08:19):
the pieces of the jig so in the right places.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
We had a nice try from Cross as well. Yeah,
he settled in to the left center position. Because we
were talking about that stay before that.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
We've switched. We've switched.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Looks like we've switched Percy officially rather than having to
do it, which we have to do in that because
the Warrington.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Game switched we had it was defensive. There was a
defensive issue of that game. I think Samby was playing
and he got he just got monstered, like he missed
a couple of tackles minutes off once the Costless tries
the left or this, but he gives us left, gives
us so much more balance in the attack, I think.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
And the cross the cross Murph combo. It's worked immediately,
sort of worked, didn't he. I mean when I was
at that Wantington game and when they game the team
came out and you've got that right hand side of
Samber and Benison. I said to my Maria, I said,
running a world of Peney, you know. And that proved
to be the case. And it's such a delight, like

(09:18):
three or four weeks later to see that the lights
of Sambury is miles away from the team now because
he should be also.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
That.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah, we did when when we had when we had
the injuries. But I think it's Den Crosses. It's not sensational.
But my word is he plugged the gap and I
think he scored good tries. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I go back to that game where real and great
Scott is injured. We've got an absolute hammering of sord
and he was instrumental because he played center. I'm pretty
sure he plays sense that day.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, I think he's a really good player. But my
reservation is Robertson comes back, Carl Feller comes back, does
he play? No, Well, two of those two players who
were playing at the moment probably going to miss out
with those two come back in so guards would take
up sailor and then probably be crossed that left got
left out as well.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Yeah, Harry Robertson has to play as well as as
well as Cross is playing. Harry Robertson is a superstar
on the wing. I might put Cross out to that wing,
but it's a lovely, lovely problem. You've got Dagonall in
the mix as well, and Connie they were busy well,

(10:42):
but he's there and it's like to have all these
absolutely been not playing every game.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I know he's been injured. Let's just take that to
one side. Eighteen. Should he be playing?

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Should he be playing every game in super.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
If he's fit, if his fit? Yes?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
And I think there's rules on that, isn't it that
can't play every game? They've got minute restrictions for younger players, I.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Think, but are young young? Nineteen is not young?

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Is it under twenty?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I think?

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah, Golding and John playing three years.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Peters talking about that was the game I think when
the Peters was regulation. Peters was talking about this that
the weekend. He wasn't a word what the restrictions were.
But there are some restrictions. But well that's what everyone said. Yeah,
because there's some talk amongst the Wigan fans about in
December not playing at certain times because he's played a
lot of minutes for them.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
He's a child in the Giants body.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's a young lad in Sember, it's only like nineteen.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Look.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
But to get back to the to the said drum,
there's gonna be some good players left out when everyone's fit.
When he gets felt back, yeah, that rather than.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Back, that's the way stuff.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Well, I'm looking at my I've got down Felt, Robertson,
possibly Dagnall, Connie, ben Or I think them all.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Benison was trouble to get a looking when everyone's felt.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, great depth and we haven't had that depth.
You know, when you turn up with Samba and Benison,
there's no depth. And I think, like I said at
the time, there's other thing that's happening at the minute
is you know the team sheets better. You know, you
know you've got players that's good from one to thirteen,

(12:29):
and you can feel a bit more, you know, like
you say, you've got that Murphy's back, You've got that
Cross and Murphy things working well. Cross is a good center.
Some of these tries, Murphy's doing the Tommy esque finishes,
but it's Cross that's flicking that ball out to him.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, playing actual rebel and I probably wouldn't get in
the side. When they get fit again, I.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Come to them, but I thought I was beginning to
think that we won't see them again.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
We'll depends on injuries. If you get injury, to say
Synon or Whitley or Knowles, you know, one of those three,
you might see Bachelor and Bell then but if everyone's fit,
I don't think you maybe get them on a pleasant
the bench, but you wouldn't see.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Him in these two games. Discustom the Giants game in
a minute, wasn't getting better.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
I think the thing that we've got to we've got
to qualify on the Catalan game. And I said it
after five minutes, which is probably why he's no longer
the They look like they're not interested. The Catalan team
they were what they were They were walking back like
from thirty yards as if they were like sixty minutes in.
Did yeah with after two or three minutes, I said
to I said, I said Catalan Catalan aren't interested at all.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
They have physically and emotionally drained for the Cup.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
From the K semi final game, definitely, guess absolutely. And
I thought they got a really really rough How can
you have a game where they get no penalties at all?
That that KR semi final, That KR semi final was
all about Catalan being not getting to Wembley. Was a
KR try that clearly the Catalan guy got the ball
down and they give it to k R. There was

(14:05):
all sorts of mad decisions in that game, but one
of the ridiculous things is KR Catalan didn't get a
single penalty or all eighty minutes, which is just beyond belief,
beyond belief. And they don't want an empty Wembley, did they?
But it was unbelievable. Yeah, they didn't make sure they
don't go at Wembley.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
We empty the game. It's massive. If they were to
win the cup again, that would it would be a
good pr thing for the thought they got when they
did with it. It got a lot of attention.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Ye but I definitely thought the KR game they got
managed out of that anyway. So then then they come
to us spirit broken and didn't put up much of
an effort, so we've got to qualify it with that.
But by the same talk, and we played really well.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I was.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
They weren't the same.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Without Tommy wasn't playing, a couple of a.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Rat boy wasn't playing. And they've they've not got the man,
they've not got the leadership and structure.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
With a massive difference to anything doesn't yeah yeh yeh yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's also a huge difference to the.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah yeah, he would have done Yeah, but I thought
I thought, you know what was he was played well
that day. Iggy played well, Percy was ridiculous. So it
was it was really you know, Murphy played well. I
can't wait to see Murphy break the line to see
what he's actually got, you know, did he like will

(15:30):
he be gone like Matty Ashton or we might not
be that fast, but will he be gone? I hope so,
because he looks really good.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
And possibly.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Leam Marshall maybe, Yeah, there's thing that think you one, Yeah,
the Leeds guys always had it. Yeah, but he still
got it if he breaks the line.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Jess and Garry Gary, Garry Garry who is a real fly.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, he's so good him.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
But yeah he can go, yeah, you can shift, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
But so I thought, you know that night we had
we had we had a good balance, like you said, balance, Yeah,
it was, it was and Whitby was giving his head.
And the other thing about we've got to remember as well,
is that Whitby's kicking virtually every conversion, which is another delight.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Not on that was kicking in inverted commers.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, kick six six out of seven, absolute joy.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
But we're getting we're getting some yardage and we're not
just getting the little hoof up in the air. And
hope we're getting the proper bomb that's dropping on the line. Yes, yeah,
there's a big difference between and the theophilege punted up
in the air and the.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Why was kicking It reminded me of the what.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Was his name of Warrince used to keep the boat
miles in the Austin. Yeah, kicks.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Kicks like they would go do it.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
I had to watch getting back to notice that they
as playing. To be honest, that game all.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
I think. The other yeah, yeah, yeah he wasn't it
was no. I think The other thing though that Whitby
brings is the kicks to touch. They're not five yards,
they're good, They're not like ridiculous Andy Farrell, but they
are twenty. He's gaining some proper distance with his kicks
to touch, which nobody else did does.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's one of the noticeable frustrations the last two years.
The kicks to touch is like just make sure you
get yeah backwards.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
There's a fear of not getting it into touch because
that's the absolute.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Can the game I think is getting some good distance
on them, which again is great, and he did.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Started doing alternative kicks as well.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, on the ground behind the defenders.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Or have we've got a forty twenty against as well
well the other I mean it was a twenty twenty
almost a huge kicking.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
That's the other thing that the Jack and Whitby kicking
is far better than with his great with the greatest Johnny.
Johnny's not doing the kicks, No he's not, but he's
not he's not taking them either. He's sitting back and supporting,
playing more of a support role. And it's working well
because his defense hasn't is still great. His defense is
still great, and.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Everyone everyone's entirely missed the odd one miss very few,
very few. That what do you think of that pane Uni?
It looked like a massive units. It couldn't be bothered.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Is exactly that. He's got a lot of potential and ability,
but he just doesn't always apply himself.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
So they've got some massive unit. They they've got satire
an't there as well?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
That Thursday, more than after that game, I was at
the airport going away for a few days and I
turned around from getting a coffee and John Wilkins coffee place.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
He's got a coffeece in the airport.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Now is he a Manchester?

Speaker 4 (18:55):
He's like Starbucks and over the world.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Something right, Yeah, I'll give him.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I'll give him a plug the least expensive sensibly.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Sure, he plugs himself out quite a lot.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
He's not a shy lad.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Guy turned around and bumped into and then they're knocked
over by the monster.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah sai, yeah, yeah, I mean they're.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Normally when you see him, they're not that much bigger
than I think he's had a contract.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
I said that last time round.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
He's an impact player, not the sort of guy he
gets mingling out of. He come on, es it spells
and give you a better I think he needs to
be fit and you rely on a lot, like in
the Lab of Turn.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Maybe not, but the fits and motivated, like say, essay,
right now he's fits and motivating. Two or three years
ago he was offering nothing, but now he's motivated and flying.
He's smashing people everywhere. Can tune these lads.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
In, you know, but they've got off the boiler by all.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
I think, mm, that is consistent for me.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
But I think perhaps going to make a game is
that I think there's like a almost like three tiers
within Super at the moments that.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
I do like I do like Price. I think Price
is a tremendous player. I wish we'd signed him will
Will Price. He's a phenomenal player. Yet another trick that
we missed. We should be constantly looking at one's coming
back from us. We don't do that.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Well, the problem is it's finance as well.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Finance. We never really know where we're at things.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Mike Crush was on about and we'll have a chatter back, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
His interview with Sky from John and call it the
bench or something chat with it. And I think that
was pre Catalan game. So it was it was just
after the mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
I think I think the one final thing on the
Catalan the and so again at Huddersfield, the Jack Percy
combo if you're giving it, if if the four was
are going forward and it's giving them, and it was
more so Uddersfield. It's actually they're actually given a bit
of space. Certainly Jack can cause some ridiculous damage. Oh yeah,

(21:21):
well let's.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Under the Giants game. It was again they they won
the game before that, they won a game one. Yeah,
they've been shocking the generalist. I was sent Sport to
six gans four tries from Wells. Bigger hat trick soon
them two Sailor to and from Murphy and I finished
six goals from George Whibby against it try from.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Bib Yeah, took it well to prefer to bib.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Argument to obstruction in that there was, but well we challenged,
we challenged it.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
There was challenge, challenge, stick captain's challenge on the agenda.
Just I'd like to discuss just how bad we are
at it.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
You've got the starts to out of eight this season.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Really, and there's ones we should challenge. He hasn't challenged,
and you're like, what are you doing that? Like we
thought the other week the one was Sailor went up
but put the why did you not challenge that?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Anyway? Line?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
The same division for this season, the same back Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Good to have consistency forwards.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I think this is our biggest path for a long time.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Clark delays, Yeah, with Matts not looking at the place
in the second round, No, we have to caveat it.
And we are playing We weren't playing against the giants.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Yes, we all are big lads.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
As worse than almost what they were saying before about
the three tiers classic the rest you've got the next seven.
They were all battling for the playoff spots. You can
all beat each other really potentially, then you've got all
three of the bottom which I'll just feel that one
so than Casford, who are not with the challenge anyone
not be troubling anyone after the regular season. I mean

(23:08):
the just miles adrift. But he was playing in front
of you and said, you know did that.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, we didn't let up. We did a couple of
sim games with a couple of little discipline things just
before that time and alex One he got himself, which
is a bit arguably.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
No, No, I don't think it was.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
He was stupid in fifteen seconds left, but you know.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
What, yeah, it was ridiculous. Yeah, and then he got
and gave it. I think you give a penalty away
just before that because he had he was playing really
well and he did. But he's got to sort that out.
And at least he's not knocking on from play the
ball the.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Best anywhere, so he didn't need it. Yeah, he's getting
the half time break anyway.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah. Would nice to see No Stevens get some game
time as well.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, the problem with Stevens is that he's not he's
not going to match fitness now, No, first time he's
played for doesn't help season doesn't. He's taken a few
games to get finish. But I'd like to keep I'd
like us to keep the five props. Yeah, shouldn't rotating.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Too much of him, but if you persevere, I think
because he's got the potential.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Without doubts, and he's bigger than when when again at
the one into the way match the warming up he
is so he is so much physically wider than Delaney
and Lee's. He's a proper big unit. If we can
get him game time and fits, he's going to do
some damage.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Do you think.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
No, I don't know about that, but maybe that's what
game time married a little bit of possibly yeah, possibly
fat because.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
The young lads call it that.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Yeah. Yeah, but he's got off fload and I think
he should be given given a chance. Decent player, yeah,
like you mentioned, and then the follower tok are which
one what are yours?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Or so the other one.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
There which guys?

Speaker 5 (25:04):
So yeah, yeah, it's not sure a few.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Patterns top, but it's also solid defensively as well.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. The dialoma
going forward is do we think about moving least a
second row passing game doesn't support that, but my god,
it makes you pack big. Yeah, because it's but you
need the What we could do with is another big

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prop because George the only started at others field and
it runs in with everything he's gone. But it's not
physically that big.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
He doesn't go anywhere.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
It's not physically that.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
It doesn't do many meters. It's just a very good,
very hard worker, the great defend and.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
That makes as many meters going backwards he does. Going forwards,
he goes and the tackle turns.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Round and turn Actually twenty has bad Yeah, yeah, but
he's he's still tuning the meets up warmly.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
That tot me to make without doubt. Yeah, several all
look lively, but.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
He's thirty five now, so he absolutely will you because
they can't go on.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Much past that album the thoughts, but he looks all
right at the hard job and at that be a
big loss forgot injured.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
But he gets into a few we've badly missed him.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, learning lesson for George as well, passing
the boat.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
A little bit of he only had three options, too
many choices. Yeah, we did the palets a well a
week stand and he's like he got away. He got
away with Yeah, yeah, he should have passed it.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
It was an easy assessment.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
I was thinking about what it is though, is he'll
do it next ceremony? Is he he would do that again?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
And for me, perhaps surprise of it was more than
those playing like a loose forward.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, he was good.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
He was passing the ball. Yeah, give me a couple
of kicks here and there, like a throw back to
what he was.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yeah, we walk. He was gaining easy yards on't with
their pack. The pack was better at second half. I
think after he kicked him at after and he so
he should have done. But but I mean, Jack was
just out of this world.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
He was he was.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
He was ridiculous, some of the things he was doing,
the kicking, the options that the twenty twenty that we
attempted that led to a try. He was what what
an incredible game he had, But because he had that
bit of space to move into and he was devastating
and again his conbos with Percival as well, just fantastic.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I think he's better now. He spent so long fun back.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah he has to stay though, you can't not if.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
He was a standoff in his career.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
You're not going to be playing able to play standoff
at that level if he's not playing it for six years,
So it's not that long.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
He was saying he should less standoff. Oh yeah, his
hands on the ball more.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
They were saying, I think we had to see it.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Didn't really plays them. He's played there for England, he
has played that.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
He's much better for fullback.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
There are some people there's a camp that think he's
a standoff, the camp that he's a fullback.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
No, I think things went a little bit awry for us,
and then Wells went, well we're putting back a full
back and then came on and said that's his best position,
So yeah, we will see him there there now.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yeah, Well, without doubt, without doubt, I think I think
I think we've got it right the one six seven,
we've finally got it right.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I think that's probably either by look or judgment, not
quite sure, but I think I think I'm pretty sure
the dropping he was a dropping of Johnny has given
him a good kick up these and whether he just
needed the rest, I don't know, because he has got
this shoulder by sep injury.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
That m he's had that for two years, doesn't he is.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
A longer period?

Speaker 5 (29:03):
I need rest and again and we also saw again
at orders Field that shorts that short birth, that speed
from Sailor them first two tries. Yeah, and I think,
as I say, I was, I was, I was on
the fence when because you know, I thought Benison one
thing he never can say Benison is he doesn't give

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hundred percent. He does every game, but those two tries
that Sailor scored, he's not getting them. That's he has
got and he's got awareness, hasn't he to be fair,
He's set them. He set the jack eighty yard try
up as well by coming in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
I think I think it's good. I think it's yeah. Yeah.

(29:48):
It'll be interesting to see what happens when they're all
fit French in this sort of situation when he was
a winger wigging, Yeah, they were fitting.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
There, he was, he was in the team initially and.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
There is this so good because he's got out and
out pace. Yeah, he plays at a different speeds everybody else.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
His brain's probably a lot cooked. Yeah, he can go
that route.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
We wanted to be in a couple year the time.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I don't see that, to be honest, if he's as
good as him, we'll take it.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
I think I don't. I think that's as much as
he can aspire to be. Well, I'm not seeing it,
absolutely absolutely, And that's the analogy, isn't it. And Ben
Barber came in and back to what we discussed earlier.
He was amazing in game one, but I never changed.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
He was a man who was desperate to do something
because of his situation at the time. Yeah, but he
had had to hit on him because he took a
big gamble technically.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
But the only reason we got him because of his
issues his world. It was world class bad. Jamie got
Jamie Lyon because of his issues. He'd retired, wanted to
quit exactly. We've got Sailor because he can't get a
game in Australia. There's a different circumstance.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
That's different. Yeah, but a lot of great overseas imports
are players that can't get a game with Australia.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Ye, but Barbaring Lion wasn't Barbara and Lyon had personally like.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Young couple coming player who haven't broken through yet.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Yeah. To be fair, like your cross and your Hastings
came here and like you know, have got Cross a
tremendous player.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Occasionally get guys who are a little bit over the
hell who come here for you think it's a pay day,
and they do brilliantly sometimes.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Okay, so two good wins, are we paping over the
cracks with those?

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Or do we think I think slightly the next three games?
This is a big test this weekend. But again, okay,
I might not have their eye on it completely because
they've got a bit of a date, a bigger fish
to fry next weekend. So if rest one or two,
I think we've got half a chance.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
That is the acid test, a test. I mean, this
comings this week. We'll find out this week. This time
next week we'll have a much better feel for we.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Will if they were rested in Saint Louis and he
might hit you.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Before, and then we'll be then I think we can
beat him.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
But would that prove anything?

Speaker 5 (32:19):
If we did, it would prove the majority of a
good okay team, Yeah you take Lewis out then a
different team and then yeah you take French outs at
Wigans Yeah yeah, you know, Sochilosion sports and it this
is what you know, if if there's no Lewis and
no French in September, then there are the chances are
winning and we're fully faked.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
This is why you always the chances. People who say, oh,
we've got to beat our seasons over, that's nonsense. The
playoffs in September.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Leads did that year on year out, came fifth, got
all team ready for September, and one y because they
kept they kept they kept their injuries free, they didn't
play him. So September we've seen Leans for fifth twice. Yeah,
that's what.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Guire and.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
That's exactly what they did. They geared around hitting September
full steam and then their money.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
That's why there's there's not enough.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
The league leaders.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yeah, there never has been.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
That should be, that should be still be the see
test of all.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Sports for me coming first, I think, I think, yeah, definitely,
but it isn't.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
The reason they do it is to keep the season alive.
The more clubs and it's supposed to generate more interest
can do more. I think if that was that was
a system, we probably sat around this table now saying, well,
we're not in the league, we're done. The season is
kind of all that we're just kind of but because
as a playoff system of the Grand Final, we think
we've got a chance of at least getting into the

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conversation without doubt.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
But another point on the other field, Cyrial was keen money.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
I think that's outstanding.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Think that first try should up a tremendous meanness to
get to that ball and get it down. Yeah, second try,
just what second try was a brilliant line and he
w it's six foot five and massive. So if you
don't need to mead on his going.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Let you down, I'll give you the same.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
He doesn't late good every week.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
But another giant in that position, you know it mix.
You know if you put will E's in it as well,
you do lose the guile of of Whitley. It's an
interesting dial I like that way.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
I prefer that to someone like Les and create more
and give you a bit more.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Before before the injury, he was scoring every week when
he Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
He was playing center as well, so opportunities. But you
don't like him a center's no, no, no, it's a
bat role. I think I pick.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Which is a premium and he's a try scorer. He
loves scoring try you know what I mean. Some people
just are christ joint know certain second rows, just like
League Gillmore, remember him, he scored a ridiculous amount of
tries because you love scoring. Try converted center to to
second row. Yeah, which is a bit like Whitley who can?

(35:09):
Why is not? It's desperate? If Whitley is it's center.
Really you don't want him to go the k R Test.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
But after that, I think we've only got a Wigan,
Only Wigan.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
That's all right then, and then the rest of.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Our games against teams like Sulford's coming up.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
He played Solford twice more, there's four more points.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Really unless you get chuck off everybody.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Well, we don't give them everyone the two points? Wouldn't
you for their fixtures? You would think if that happened
if they dropped out what happened with one with the
Toronto when they dropped out of the give every one
of the points that year?

Speaker 5 (35:45):
No, didn't you just stripped the lot out? I think
I feel they did that. I could never exist.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
That wouldn't Our points would.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Be mine minus a.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Lot we've we've got less.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
But where we leads, I think I think Brad Arthur's
doing tremendous, tremendous job and craft back in the team
as well. They've got they've got a good side leads leads. No,
I think he's good. I think A Shanley has always
been top draw Addy Newman's top draw packed good, so

(36:27):
we needn't be you know, I don't think. I don't
think leads is an easy game anymore. But some of
the others are sold to.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Give us a bit of ide and that they have
magic even though we had issues.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
But then we seem to we we seem to have
wakefields number for whatever reason, don't we?

Speaker 4 (36:47):
And they actually did inside now yeah yeah, yeah, yeah regularly,
which we can I would if we play we adam
Now we'll play went to this weekend a massive, massive
But we're getting.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
The bodies back, aren't we. Yeah, except ironically we've got
Bachelor and Bell missing, but we haven't missed them at all.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
For me improved Actually, yes, I think I'm amazed atle
has giving him a three year deal, but mad because
he's got so injury prone. I like Bell because he's.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
The same since he got that injured from Yeah yeah,
got injured in that train.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Was it the hamstring or the knee.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
It could be any but I like Bell. I like Bell.
Bell brings versatility. Everybody's fit. He doesn't make. He doesn't
make the team. If everybody's face.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
He gets on the bench because he can play. It
always yoursicions. Maybe maybe, but it'll be a lot of
that respect unless you know, it depends on recruit.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
And it's creative. Liberals will like him because he's created.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Well, we've got three going.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Yeah, but those two and knows as well and.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Without down another deal is here.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
I've got that one.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Well, they should have come should have come back fit.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Shouldn't he think he's not fit now? So why were
still paying them? I can't believe.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Within that coming two weeks have being ready and he
wasn't fair for Halifax he ready for bringing him back
into the team. He's saying he's a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Away from being available.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Yeah, I think so. But I think they might be
shipping him back to Halifax.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
If Robertson got fit again and he didn't get him
because they played oral instead, I think there'd be absolutely
no that would not that would not.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think he's behind personal crossing.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Everyone's been personal said without doubt, but I think it's
a good arguments behind Cross Rabson would both being before Yeah,
I would agree from now on yeah yeah, standard, but
it's great. You might get it before Samboo maybe definitely, definitely,

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you know we can't.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
You can beat once in front of you, as we
said before, and we did that well. It is a
big test.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
Just touch on thingkings were again conversions. It's an amazing
kicking from from George again, touch line on his wrong
side and everything. One thing that I've seen or lately
as well, I wanted to mention is when don't we
don't seem to be dealing at all well with bombs.
We're letting. We're letting quite a few of them. We're

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letting quite a few of them bounce.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Does that as what we do like a strategy? He
lets it bounce and I.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Can go anywhere conference. There's too many, too many bombs.
We're not doing. The short kickoff we never deal with.
We're absolutely atrocious at that. But the because we don't
plan for it, we don't, we don't send the right
people though to get it. Just bad management. But the
but the really high bombs, you know you playing against Snead,

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we don't maybe when Felt comes back, he'll take them. All.
We don't deal with bombs at all, and we're not
sometimes we're not even touching ball but we're not even
getting there and you think.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
That's what are we doing for that bounce in our arm?

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Yeah, but it did happen to othersfield as well, and
you're like, what is going on with the bombs? You
know that that one he was the one where they
nearly scored. He went straight through Percival's and you're like, what.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Are we doing again where he parried it into the
into the angle area. Yeah, yeah, Cottridge almost score.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
But yeah, that was another one. That's right, Saily got
to be fair, we did, but I just I just
thought mentally, I just don't think we do. I don't know.
I've not got the answer, but we're not doing them
with bombs at all. Well, when we put them up,
the other team seemed to take them, and when we
get bombed, we don't. And when it Felt comes back
and respect all, yeah, he's massive, and he text them

(41:09):
all yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
But I decided to kick away from him to the
other week.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, don't.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
I don't know. I don't know where Murphy is a
team that will be too bad. But Sailor is not
your bet. Sailor is not your bet on bombs and
they will definitely be bombing him on that wing.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I don't player the wing on that wing, and Felt
gets back in, no, if you'snna play anywhere to be on.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Murphy's wing, I can't see that. I can't see that
playing the hard to be there. And then he's in stand.
He didn't stand, but I quite we will play for
is it? I quite liked I don't send him a
few times now when he's playing in an awful team.
The young prop Wilson at eight, he's quite a big,

(41:53):
sizeable unit and against yeah, he gains some yards and
you know, I mean George Burgess is like there for
the money and he did next to nothing. Tom Burgess, sorry,
real did next to next to nothing. I thought the
young kid Wilson was pretty good if we were looking,
because we should be on the market for props. Quite
liked him well because one thing we was saying before

(42:13):
about yeah yeah, yeah, very cool now.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
And then getting towards the end, Tom Burgess touch on
that they look like a team on this field that
have spent the cap Ontom Burgess and then they can't
like build a squad around, Yeah, because they spent up
sort of thing, or as much a they're willing to spend.
Now that relegation is no longer a thing, some clubs
are going well, this would happened with franchising last time.

(42:36):
Nobody cares at the bottom about being at the bottom
because you've got to go anywhere. It's all based on
what you do off the field. Last year like yeah,
well hold for a number of years John cart right
to turn them around to be fair, but the last
few years they've had loads of talent and no end
product because they haven't you know, even relegation.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
You know, the two go to the day, Well, hm,
they just stopped training, didn't They really threatened the top,
just stopped trying.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
There seemed to be moving, They seemed to be have
some motivation that we can't.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Just playing.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
The kid on the wings top drawer Martins.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Yeah, I thought Cos was like nothing nothing so player
and he's been brilliant for them.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
But I think see that helps with that because he
is shocked last year when he's on it when he
wants to.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Yeah, he looked a very average player. But before that,
remember of others field was one game against us and
particularly kicked us to death, absolutely battered us. This kicking
game player.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, right, well, the next three games are our big
test on Friday and then at home again.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
It's exciting. I'm looking at The KR game was definitely
the acid test. We'll get a good measure for where
we're at. I accept your points if they if they
take Mikey Lewis out and we beat them, Yeah, Mikey
Lewis didn't play.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Depends on the rest of me three weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
If you took Mikey Lewis out, there's still beat There's
no problem, I think.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Then that would be a decent contest in the four
five six for the Cup final.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Then yeah, then we don't learn very much then, no,
we know, we won't know know the Yeah winning Oh yeah,
I thought it's a K Then they didn't.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Sorry, yeah it was against K.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Yeah them.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
With that trip from March, why don't they.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, we got the Grand final.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
I can't remember, Yeah, the Grand final. It was at
the Cup final. I'm trying to think.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Now.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
KR lost the Cup final the year before to Lee
of course, yeah, so last year. I can't remember the
plain but I like them to win it, and I'm hoping.
I think it was actually Warrington in the final last year.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Yeah, I think it was wigging one into you. I
would only like KR to beat Onetington by I know
a thousand percent.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
I would I'd love to see win the copy, not
only because it would humiliate Warrington, but also because I
think they will another new name, new name for the
similar era. Anyway, I.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Think Sam Burgess, uh, it can be up for some
criticism because every three all three times they played us,
I think he played Matty Ashton played every game, and
at least two of them, I think he played him injured. Yeah,
the one the ones were Jack tackled in both times
he wasn't at full speed Matty ash nowhere near full speed.
I mean Jack great tackles, not take too much away,

(45:38):
but that wasn't full speed Matty Ashton And no, definitely not.
And and then he played him again when he went
away again and now he's done a c l M
c L see you next year, see you next year.
And I think Sam Burgess was running into the ground
when he should.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Have a lot of pressure at the burg Is because
if they don't win in the final.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
If you don't.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Then they're scrambling around to try and getting because they
currently not that yea, they lose any further grounds, they
lose again this weekend before the cup fight, they're going
to be like almost caught a drift.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
But whoever comes in from Matte Ashton isn't match Ashton
know where.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
He can't replace his brother where you can't can't replace
that without you can't you guys, we're having sailor and
a team.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
But I think that just mentioned the fire. It's cropped off.
I'm going for the come to.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
What happens then, well, there's Williams back. He'll be back
for there for the fire.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
They're keeping the cards close to the chest, but they're
saying he's an a race against Williams all this sort
of stuff. But I think you might see and how
fit will he be.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
I think Sneed you'll see.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I think.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Walker, Yeah, he'll be back. I think I think him
and Snead, he's just been calling him back. I think
I think they'll be all right. Toby King probably come
back in what we do, which will make a huge difference.
I mean, he's better what they've got them all the
playing there now, possibly Wrench will improve a good player.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Yeah, I think everyone he's gougged me forward forward.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Yeah, he's got an absolute raking him and he's getting
some points. He can blow it for you. Yeah he might, well,
you know, got potential to do that and then yeah,
I think stays like that.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
I think is more of a cohesive machine unit, ridiculous
desire and I just think they'll they run over.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
And they're a better team and I would I would expect.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
To win by Yeah, I expect, oh, definitely.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
I think twelve fourteen points.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Yeah, I think they'll run over him. They've got too much, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
By arresting everybody on Friday.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
I think better than they've been in recent weeks because
I think players will come back in and they'll have
that more motivation.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
But I think bigger than.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Warrington's pack is not great.
That's one of the things. We We seem to beat
them there every time, but we had no backs when
you know, we had Sam and Bennison or then we
had Weekley and we had two second roles in the center.
But we seemed to beat the Paul Vaughan's top draw.
But we seemed to.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
One that's like talking about being in a race against time.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
It will be there. Don't worry about him.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
But but they've had some internal brandland as well, involving
Paul Vaughan. I believe I think he might have been
involved in the incident that led to most girls sudden departure.
There was of a Bardy on the training veil. Yeah
that's what I heard.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
It's a pretty serious ejected straight away, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Well I don't know exactly what went on, but yeah,
they've decided to but the losses and getting like.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
But I think we I think we even we are
not us of now. Even back then in the we
we had the agent them in the park, it was
just everywhere else we didn't. So I think if they
turn up without Vaughn, they will get run over. Yeah properly. Yeah,
all right, Well we're all going for a without doubt,

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part of.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Our sudden resurgency. Informed that. One of the other talking
points I've got for this week is an interesting interview
Mike Rushka, John Wolkin and Jenna Brooks in the Bench.
It was interesting. I think I saw something on social
media and one of the other websites about implying that

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he was complaining about outside noise and everything was fine
and it was all people getting people who don't know
what's going on, and I've got the right to complain,
but it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
It wasn't that by any are they called season ticket holders?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Don't we pay our money?

Speaker 5 (49:41):
We're going to right to complain, right customer, customer isn't
King after.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
All, gave him a fair, give him a fair I
won't say drugging but or addressing down, but a fair
interrogation about these sort of issues. He mentioned how difficult
it was to do it with a coach who was
a legend as it were, and raised the care and
cunning them situation.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
He heard that the step before Mike and hell, he
was trying to that point.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
It was interesting he was implying. He was saying that
here and and Well don't get as easy a time
as the likes of old Brook and Wolf because they
are local lads who live here.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
And the part of who was Rush was all Wilking.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
No, but what you're saying that Rush, we're saying Cunningham
and Well, I haven't had an easy get to the
it's a harder time than Wolf and hold book.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Because of results three grand and hold Brook hold Rook and.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
The culture and turns into a great to watch winning team.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
It's a fair argument.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
Yeah, but I think I saw what did you see
Wilkins the other week? It was last week week before
on Sky? He was not about saying telling and he
was absolutely slaughtering the recruitment. He raised that question and
I'll tell you what every single word he said. I
sat there and spot spot on, John absolutely spot on.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
That be pleased to know that's not my view. He
thinks for recruitment has been great, really good, really raised.
He raised the he raised what they will can raised
the Wonga blake.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, he kind of washed over the hot but he
was then going on saying, well, our our the way
we won this club is long term and we want
our our recruitment to come through the ranks, which is
what we are doing I have been doing. If you look,
if you look at the at the top of the moment,

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they've only got two or three lads from there from
their junior.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Tea And if you if your plans to have eighty
percent local lads or dispute that with Wigging Academy looks
in the longer term. Is that sustainable to be successful?
Are you going to produce players enough players.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Of that quality to be like he said when he
was here last time, and when when Wiggins now getting
all the Holts and Hornets and wigging and Warrington they're
getting yeah that after that's a week guy, they've gone
to wigging. You know, if we're going to do that model,
we need to capture all the local talent.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I think what he was saying that it was.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Yeah, yeah, and all the.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
I think the Fergie's fledglings about this. We've had, We've
had a great class of youngsters come through, and he's
got the idea somewhere that that's always going to be
a guess and always going to be sustainable. And I
don't think it is.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
And we'll look you right now because we've got it
again because we will and Robinson robertson a top class.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I think be able to get two or three through.
I don't think it's realistic successful long term.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
No, I would agree wigging were wigging. You can't we
do it too, you know, O'Neil, Incember have Ard, you
could go, Zacher, you could go on all day. They
do it probably better than us, but they still bring
in plays.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Otherwise they wouldn't be as successful.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
As they are.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Absolutely, you can't not this year. Year before I think
they signed seven players and they were all great.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, it's arguable the first seventeen and to the smith.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Incember Marshall.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Have something led the ball and plays.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Look at Farrell or Neill Farrell, he's still clean.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Liam like that, James Roby and he's been there for he's.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Still local, he's still yeah yeah. And our Lomax now
yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
You don't think there has been a youth probably what
he is.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Yeah, yeah, they are yeah, yeah, but I think yeah,
but yeah, I agree with Stay. I think I think
then that they need to bring it's it's great to
see young lads come through and we do it probably
as good as wigging to before. But you can't have
a model of seventy eight seventy to eighty percent got
to come from. That's such a gambles high.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
The long term recruitment is to have the book of
the squad from from their own recruitment and just bring in.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Wouldn't they But you need to pick up like probably
that is that when they get established they need pain,
which is why mister Gonley left the building.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
And you know, you need to pick situation the talent
as well. You know, like I was watching Wakefield and
that that kid Rock who was at London Broncos. They
took him and he's playing great. And in the other
center they've got hippots. Who is somebody's taking him, Yeah,
the one who scored that Pratt Pratt, sorry, somebody's taking

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him stay Wakefield, why you know, so we so he
probably won't too much, we know, we we we need to.
We still need to be picking off.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
You have to wait for these guys to get out
of contract.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Really yeah, But that that kid Pratt, like when of
these contracts up in at Wakefield, no chance. He's far
too good.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
He's got interest from whatever.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Because Percival's getting older too, you know what I mean.
We should be looking at that kid Pratton thinking we
have him, let's get let's talk to him when he
deals up and let's get onto that, you know, And
that's not yeah, yeah, but that's that's not so we can't.
I think seventy to eight percent on grown is too

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big a gamble.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
I also don't agree with him when he says that
people aren't entitled to have a safe they're not pretty
to what's going on inside the club with yes, arrogant,
we're paying m we're paying our money and we have
so what we bloody want.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know whatever, whatevers.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
It gives me a free season ticket, that as not
and then you give me a free shut Yeah, I'll
cause the block down, no more podcast, I'll keep quiet right,
rush by the army.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, you take a job of chief exec or the
coach take you accept these jobs on good money, big money. Yeah,
you're the big.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Cheese supporter has the view, and I think.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
It's fair enough. But sometimes it goes too far.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
People kids are getting of course, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
That's that's playground kids behavior. You can do bad that
if they know that, if they know that he's that
those kids are his kids, they're gonna the kids in
the playground. And yeah, I'll tell you that crap firing.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Off Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're right, you're right.
But yeah, I think you probably have with fans is
you've got bottle and yeah, and you've got such a
mix of fans. You've got intelligent fans, not so intelligent fans.
Fans who has been going three weeks and off to
opinion and we won. We won exactly. They've never seen us. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

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so that you're going to might have to accept that
the fan who has been going two years is entitled
to an opinion. Yeah, everybody, they all are. He's just
got to take that. And right now they're say, you know, great,
we are because fans are fickle. So he doesn't complain
when that's coming.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Off, complained about the praises that they're getting there. That's
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
I thought Jack managed it well. Thought after the down
the tunnel incident he really concerned.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
The Catalan game wasn't.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
Yeah, but the Choline game apparently he had to do
a drug test. That's why he went off on the
Catalan game. But the others. Yeah, he got full time
for immediate when the.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Players don't stay behind and clap the fans, and it's
more his demeanor. For me, it was a bit off again.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Yeah, but you managed it at full time. He did
the interview and then he went down to the fans,
and I think there was I'll tell you another one
that's really impressed me. If you didn't he saw the
the George Whitby interview after the Catalan game. What a
super bright, intelligent, humble young man he is. He's he's

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proper rightly tuned in.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Is no argument by smart. I just hope he carries
on listening.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Yeah, because it's not that long since we were all
saying that Lewis Dog was the next.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
I was just going to come on to him, and
he's one we're not having back. We don't need to
track him because he's coming back next year.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Here didn't help him, I don't think, and some of
the coaches maybe as well. He was never the same,
but he never lived up to the to the hype.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
For me, didn't ass no, the game, the game he did,
the Achilles, the wigging good Friday game we won twenty
seven to. He was phenomenal that game. And then it
came off and it said I think aiding machine. Me said,
U dogs and his Achilles and when yeah, when he

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came back, yeah, and yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
He can't even get in the New South Wales up side.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
For No, he's coming back, but we don't need him in.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Two years time.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
If La goes, if Lamb goes, it's not a batch out.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Or he just sits on his three year contracts and
across the beach. She gets paid, get paid, get injured
for three years, comes back is twenty.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Four, had no rugby behind him and missed all that,
missed all that kind of you know, you need to
keep your hand and keep playing.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
That a brow lowers on the clock.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
I can't see him being at the right level if
he doesn't play for three years.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
No one other thing about the question about Vegas and
we will be disappointed not to get to the Bakers Well, no,
because quote unquote he said it's not a money maker.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I was gonna got to go there, did he I
was gonna ask you, did he stipulate that was a
financial decision not to go.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Like that? And did we try? Do we make an
effort to go?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
It was all We all agreed that the first off
it would be two Lancashire clubs and the warrants. I'm
not sure we're desperate to the next The next one
will be to the Yorkshire clubs. After that, he said,
we'd love to do it, he said, but I didn't mind.
Got to be careful, he said.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
I can't criticize him for that. I wouldn't want to
you know, blow the blow the house, make the point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I don't want to blow the house on that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I don't want to blow the house on that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
We can't buy a market signing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Because that is that is. They talk all this stuff
about growing the game in America and all that it's
a jolly for the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Is that it is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
That's all that is. It's not about throwing the game
for me for the week after.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Didn't I just ten thousand poundsulful?

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
You're never going to convince Americans to watch rub league
ahead of their own. No, No, there's no chance of
that trying to come here and take over from footballs
and the one.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
That's another reason we're not going, because I'd be trying
to find should we go? Should we go? And then
cost a bloody fortune to go. So you want to
go to Vegas when it came out with them teams,
that's good. I don't need to feel guilty about not
going on or spend the fortune and going.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Well, I think if you want to go to Vegas
and jolly just go the league to be on there,
just go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Don't go when there's an event through the roof.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
There's plenty to keep you occupying if you do go
absolutely there is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Okay, well that's wind that up for this week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Just touch on more to discuss again, Okay, yeah, I have,
you've got I know you've made notes of practice.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I have the Leeds game. We haven't really touched on
the one, the upcoming one. I think that's in some
whays the most the most interesting of the next three.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
And that's at all minute because that's a really.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Evenly match, massive game, because they're both in that kind
of top four or five. Yeah, jockey of the positions.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
And yeah, yeah, we need to win that five. But
they are the good Signe and Jake behaving himself, Yeah,
that that frustrates me when you see him top of
the Man of Steel side. It was just ridiculous. The Manister,
I don't know what it's turned into. It's no longer
anything about Man.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Of Steel, the Universion song contest.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
It's somebody's playing well in a well seen It's just
like ethical favorite. I mean, let's face it, Man of
Steel leading should be somebody from Wigging Chunty, but it's not.
Or Mikey Lewis by a country mile, by a country mile.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
In the end, just as was probably done because in
the end, but in the last few years you've had
I mean it's normally the player that was it, Paul
one ye, yeah, and that was like it was like
a lifetime with you because he was on the way
out on it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
The other one aging vowels another cash one that should
have remember that vow It was like which the system
and the players are still smart. The system and the
different to the n F.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I don't have the m V the most valuable.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
In the NFL. They were all Americans that I don't
know if that's voted for by fans or journalists or
a bit of both the voting system.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
If Conwin's man of steel, there's something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Really again, your game as a whole, you would not
think Prey.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
Never in a million years is he man of steel.
That's how really he just can't be. They've got to
do something about that. It wasn't. But I just think
just looking at Briars and old Carol and all year

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I've thought that Carol is doing a great job because yes,
defensive and I think, yeah, and I think where we've
where we have done badly. It's because if you can
get a consistent when we had Samby Benison on it. Yeah,
we've had we've had we've had a really awful team out.
You can be as good at defense as you want,
but if we've got a team out that that's just awful,

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it's you're not going to win.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
I don't problem.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
I absolutely don't. I truly don't think it is. And
I think if we can get like look at the
last two games nil and four, we can get the
right team on the pitch. I think he's doing a
tremendous job and hopefully the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Difficult job has been has been changing our attack round. Yeah,
we've had Yeah, but it's really solid. Well we've had
six years of wolf flight, haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
We And the worst you're attack is more pressure part
of the defense, correct, because the ball, Yeah, has given
them more ball.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Yeah, he did say that coaches things going to take
a time, no ornament, it's like turning around. Yeah, but
things are happening. You can see. It's a lot of
its Ki's coming up. It's coming with Jack and Whitby,
and it's exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Just the counter his argument a little bit. He made
it a lot worse under his watch, So if he's
got to turn it around because he's made it worse.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
I think part of that has been the playing people,
though there's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Been given a bit of the hospital passed with the squad.
I think because it's a lot of players are they'll
be getting atle bit too old, and then there's some
who are not quite at the peak yet because they're
too young. There's nobody, not that many players who are
like right at the peak in this squad. I think
we need a bit more of that, like recruitment, get
a few more players and they were like right at.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
We could argue with us deone Cross is probably as
good as he's ever been, you know what I mean, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think I don't think he's at a peak,
just about.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
Yeah, he's there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
I think he's sign which is he's still just about
his peaking and he's made a big difference and he
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
There's a strong argument thirty yeah, is your intelligence probably peak.
Your physically he's still playing really well, your physically fit
and all the game knowledge there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
That's you know across I think a Cross as well.
I don't think he played many games of counter Saints
because of the situation there. I think it's he's on
improved the more games against but then to complicating that
he's got rather to come back and a game.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Then you think in a couple of weeks he can't
get a game. While things have changed a lot, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I would hope that at that point you said, Percy
like to take a breather.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Opponent stage game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah, you've got Robert.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
You're talking cotton wool box, aren't you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
The team for that game will be very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah, get yourself on away for a week.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Yeah, yeah, you might bring back smy for that game.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
He's now about he's now about tenth less.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Is he going to begin still? Good lo getting that dropped? Like,
good luck? Get the game before Jake Model.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
Yeah, the reserves, he's nowhere near. Is he nowhere near?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
You know that bad mistake?

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Yeah, but he's not delusions are grandeur?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
No, not really. I think we've covered everything he please
at the moment, Smile and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Alaska.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
I think I think that's that's made an enormous difference
that one, six and seven, And I think and and
and the surprise of it has been this the revelation
of sailor on the wing. That's an added bonus for me.
I think the get we've got the one, six and
seven right. The fact that Sailors turned out to be

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great on the wing and he's lifted his confidence because
he's coming in and looking for some ball as well
is an added bonus.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
The ball back either no, no, no, is.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
He did did? Yeah, I just don't think. I just
don't think he could. He's not that he's not that
creative to play in them key pivotal role. He is
an elusive runner. Yes, yeah. That one against Catialan in
the first five minutes was like a wow moment, like
whoa he stepped inside and went gone, went straight through

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everybody and popped it to I was like, who have
profound his position?

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
I think the improvements have made it. I feel now
it's more likely than not that will make the playoffs.
If you after the leads game, I would have said
we might, we might miss out, But now well we'll
probably get.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
In Advanciers right now. Trying fred Lee next week. I'd
fancy with.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Those players we've discussed coming back to give competition for player.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
It's great.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
I'll improve us as well. It's great and I don't
see as in terms of lead position, touching, wigging a
whole car. No, no, no, no, no, Like you said,
if they're not fitted the end of the season, the
best players, who knows. So you keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
As bad as we've been in with all years with fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Now fifth leads to fourth, but we're in the mix,
but we don't if we if we beat Leads, will
probably be fourth. Yeah yeah, yeah, ole care result of
suppose about lost whole car and then then further ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
You know, you don't. You win nothing in April. I'm
just glad for Wellons that we've He's had a couple
of good you could see the relief on his face.
Poly have had two game some time. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
And I think I know he'll be judged by this
weekend's game because that's a really good team I'm playing there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Leads could be like when the pressure raps upcause that game,
I think they'll be The noise that might refers to
will be there again.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
Yeah, he needs to listen to the outside noise. So
he can't be arrogant enough to ignore shut the doors
and ignore the outside noise. That's outrageous. The outside noise
pays his bills.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
If we did lose the Leads, I think there would
be the more pressure. Again, at the moment, I think
he's got a bit of a period of calm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a free hits on Friday, but.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
There's less pressure because they're really strong. If they put
a week team out because of the Cup and then
and then we don't beat them, that could be a problem.
I can't say that. I think if they put it
are doing prediction. I think they put a Week team
that will win.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
I'm going, okay, I win and leads win.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
I think if they win, I can then by about
fourteen or sixteen, I think, yeah, if the rest four
or five, I think we might have a chance and say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
We'll squeeze it. We'll squeak it by a point.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
If doesn't, it's so hard to say because you know
who they're going to pick.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
The challenge you've got at KR is you're playing KR
and the ref The refs are incredibly intimidated though. Yeah,
it's outrageous that they really rough rs get into the refstore,
and the refs, from what I've seen, seemed to buckle
and mikeael Lewis is roguing and cheating all the way

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through games and getting away with him, which is which
you've got that much talent that he that Yeah, how
are he? He's disappointing to see that to do in
his game. Definitely know, definitely not before.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Him Ellery Hanley. Yeah, I'm on a tradition that yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Yeah, but he's getting away with the law.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I'm certainly looking forward to the next show because these
are two two interesting games coming up. Two three, I
think I'm not quite sure. The next show and probably
after the.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Leads game is on the twentieth of June, three a
half weeks before that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Probably, So if we've got KR and then Salford and then.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
We've got we've got a week off in between because
of the final whole card this week, then no again
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Leads.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
It's exciting. It's exciting. You know when we when we
were doing the pre season shows, were really excited about Sailor,
Felt and Murphy, And if you think about it, we
lost Murphy literally in week one, well Felt in week three,
Sailors only now starting to look like is it right place?
And in a few weeks time we might have Felt back.

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Murphy's flying. Now Murphy looks really good and if we
actually might get our three signings, we won't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Get They've been a bit unfortunately recruitments because those two
because wingers, because wings.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
That we signed we signed in fell out in Felio
NRL top scorer. You know, you don't get any better
than yeah season and I think he struggled in ship
weather and if you have your pictures, but the weather's
not like that now and the pictures are harder and
it's been more like what he's used to playing in.

(01:12:38):
So hopefully when the felt gets back and gets up
to full steam, he had a lot of value.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
I think he's like for life for making himself. I
think he'll be all out really strongly apart from his
much bigger and he's better at catching the bomb as well. Yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
If he's near a line, just it's just it's just
Sally when he was playing, just push sorry mate, push
him off football down. It's massive.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
I don't think you'll se him go away from Matty
Ashton time series right now. He would, but he will score.
He will score.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Try I run away from him right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
If you don't tend to score many long range dries anywhere,
who's in the tea exactly when we get you're the
one with Wellsby in the weekend, but before that that
was probably.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
Because they have no per.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Okay, well, thank you Gas, thank you and Jordy, thank
you Graham, and we'll see you again in a couple
of weeks time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Come on, nice shop. Head in the corner, Jobby, but
don you very much look a stick. He's going to
the screen. What's he going for day? He's trying to
keep the score out