November 29, 2025 • 34 mins
This was the final interview John McAfee did before his passing. This gem is from the That's Based Vault.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hey, So you know how I told you that we
weren't going to have a show today. That was kind
of a lie and kind of true. We didn't pre
tape one because I didn't have time to, and with
all the holiday shit going on, we weren't going to
go live either. But I did have the next best thing.
I thought at the last minute, in the eleventh hour,
what if we pulled one out of the vault that
a lot of the That's based listeners probably haven't heard before.
(00:44):
The OG's will know what I'm talking about. Once upon
a time, I was on this podcast called Bread and Circuses.
This was six years ago, six or seven years ago.
It started, and it was with another comic named Nick Kohler,
and we would sometimes just bullshit and have fun and
be silly. Sometimes we would have guests on other comedians,
and then sometimes every now and then we would get
an interview that was like way out of our league,
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and this was one of them. So I reached out
on a whim. Didn't think we'd ever hear anything back
from this god to this guy named John McAfee. Now
a lot of you have probably heard that name. John McAfee,
the founder of McAfee anti virus. I mean, he's done
all kinds of stuff. You've seen all the showtime and
(01:27):
all the other documentaries about him. He lived quite an
interesting life. Well, by the God, don't even want to
say the grace of God because it ended very unfortunately.
But we were actually the last people to interview John
McAfee before he was imprisoned, and if you believe the
Spanish government, committed suicide. So I just figured we'd roll
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this one out because I don't have anything else to
play for you guys this week. I know there's all
kinds of stuff going on in the world. We'll get
to that next week if it's still relevant by then,
but I figured we would just go go real deep
into it. So here's the preface. When we were talking
to him, they had certain conditions. They would not do
a show on stream Yard. It had to be under
a certain time frame. It it was a whole bunch
(02:09):
of the eals. So the audio is gonna suck, the
video is gonna suck, the backdrop's gonna suck. Because it
was in an apartment I was living in and I
don't want to say it was the hood, but it
was a fucking shithole. We'll leave it at that, but
it was a good time. It's grainy. They had to
do it on zoom. That was the only thing he
would do an interview on. It's grainy, it's gritty, and
(02:30):
it's John McAfee at his finest, in his final interview. Anyway,
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Like I said, we'll be back next week with your
regularly scheduled programming, but in the meantime, enjoy this interview,
the final interview that anybody ever did with the late
(03:13):
Great John McAfee rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
But.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Cool. I saw a recording button. It didn't say who
it was. I'm always assuming it's the CIA when I
see it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I don't have as much of a reason for them
to come after me that they know of.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
What the fuck is up?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Friends, it's Brendon Circuses. You guys know you've been promoted
from people to friends now, that's what We've been doing
this long enough. That's how it is.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We it's Caleb Salvator and it's Nicoler here and we're
here with the.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Interesting in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, the one, the only man, John McCaffey.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How's it going, my friend, he's going good. We we
traveled to Barcelona to Catalonia this weekend. I was invited
to speak at the Freedom Confidence Conference. There. I met
a lot of wonderful people, got to hear both sides
(04:15):
of the Catalonia situation. Yeah, there's no right or wrong here.
There's just a bunch of anger and nobody's listening. But anyway,
I spoke my piece, and we came back this morning
and having a class. Where are you guys at right now?
(04:36):
If you don't mind me asking, i'd have to kill
you if oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I figured he's somewhere. That's part of those things.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's like, as soon as you say it, it's like,
I shouldn't say that, but I'm gonna sound really fucking
dumb if I just cut myself off.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
He's in parts unknown right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Now, not even not even our closest friends know where
we are.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay, so he's not going to tell us.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You're So for anybody.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean, if you could sneak some good drugs in
here that were you know, uh, susceptible to your cause,
you know, maybe I might reveal something, but.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They let me talk to you after the recording goes off.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's so now, John, Just for any of the people
listening here that just aren't as well versed in the
situation here, I would like to hear it from you,
and I'm sure that people.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Would as well.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Why you have to, like, you know, be as secretive
as you are, and there is good reason, I sure
the people out there, But why not hear from the
guy himself?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
All right? Okay? Well, you know I've I have I've
always been sort of on the front lines of rebellion
and against corruption because there's so much of it around,
you know, and it's impossible for corruption not to touch you.
Whether it's you know, someone that's a driver's license bureau
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in the police department, or a judge, a bailiff, it's everywhere.
So I don't care for it. I really don't, you know.
I don't like being shaken down in a world where
I have worked hard to get where I am. So
I've always been outspoken. Nothing much happened if I haven't
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paid taxes for nine years almost going on ten now,
but I told the government on my pain taxay of
income taxation is illegal, sun constitutional. You didn't have one
until nineteen thirteen and gone along just fine, So I'm
not pain. They never bothered me for I don't know
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seven years, right, never said a word. I just never
never filed. I didn't file a fraudulent retirement just finally, Okay.
So however, I started speaking out about crypto and how
because crypto is I mean, it's the goose that laid
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the golden egg. In terms of my philosophies in life, right,
I'm here for the average man, for the small person,
for those of us under the crush of oppression from
the financial institutions that control America, and much of the world.
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So when I started speaking out, how listen, if you're
using privacy coins and distributed exchanges, I mean, if you
want to be honest about your taxes, tell them everybody
you made where it came from. I'm selling whatever, I'm
selling drugs on the dark nat book. Who cares? Don't
I tell them what this is? What I made? Or
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if you're the average person and know that no one
will know one way or the other, whatever number you
come up with, maybe going to pay your fair share.
You and I both and everybody listening to me knows
nobody's going to pay this human nature. So I've been
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promoting that. I've been telling people how cryptocurrencies can allow
the individual to shrug off the yoke of financial institutions
that are controlling them today through FIAT currencies, through banking,
to regulations, laws, through monitoring. Listen, you know, I've I
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understood this is a free country, and it used to
be when I was a kid, it was a free country.
It's disappeared, and I've watched it disappear over my seventy
four years. I'm not going to stand idly by. So
in any case, in January of this year, the internal
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revenue service, and I did myself, Janice and four of
our workers on unspecified felonious tax evasion charges. Now, according
to the law, if you haven't filed, you cannot have
committed fraud. I wantn't abating anybody. But here's where I live.
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I'm not paying your taxes. No evasion there, right, Yeah,
Now it just suddenly hit a raw point because governments
are terrified of what crypto and the blockchain might do
to the authoritarian rule that they have over their people today.
(09:45):
So I'm on the run. I'm gonna I'm in a hell.
I'm gonna I'm gonna Faraday Cage. What does that mean?
It's it's a room. This is our communications room that
no signal can enter or leave. And in addition, we
have eight channel signal cameras everywhere to jam any signal
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that's going out. So there's simply no way that anyone
can find us. We travel, We travel freely. We showed up.
We showed up yesterday in Catalonia in support of the Catalonians.
So anyway, we're living fine. It's just that we are
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on the run. And have you have have you caught?
Continue speaking? Go ahead? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sorry, I was gonna ask because of that room, there
have you caught any US surveillance like techniques at all,
like in the past couple of years or anything like that,
Like what what have you found specific uh that the
US government is like tried to.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Do a tournament electronically spying on me what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Or yah, yeah, anything, Because I know, I know that
they have the capability to do some really scary stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They set us up in the Dominican Republic three and
a half months ago, so that when our boat arrived,
we were surrounded not by Immigration and Customs with the
law demands, but by their internal executive branch, which, after
four days of haggling, insisted did I go back to
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America even though I had not arrived from America. I
also popped out my British passport. I have dual citizenship.
I said, if you want to send me somewhere, send
me to England. And they insisted. But thank god we
had lawyer representation and what it looked like we were
going to actually go to court. They were so fucking nice.
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I mean, at that point, Jennis and I were taking
out of a rotting jail cell and we were taken
to the airport VIP room and had with the Dominican
Republican General because that had that gone to court, that
would have unraveled a lot of ship that the CIA
is doing, the American government is doing, and the entire
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Caribbean region. So in any case, I played, I played
the separation of powers card and Midican Republicans and democracy.
They actually have a real judicial system of Praise God
when we do in a big time like they did
with us in front of the press. I'm not grabbing
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you on a street corn, okay now with the world watching,
and you are absolutely right by law, and it's recorded
by the people themselves all the things that they have broken.
Oh when fucked me. When that happens and the person
doesn't cave in like most of it, they put you
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in a jail cell and it's it's ugly and hot
and scary, and think of four days of softening up
when we say go back to America. Is going to go? God,
please just don't put me back in the cell. Well,
fuck me. I was laughing in my cell and having
fun with my cellmates. Put me back there. I give
a flying fuck. However, he said, my lawyers, which they
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had to let me see two of them. When I
saw what was happening, I said final a brief with
the courts saying that no one can deport me to
any place until the courts have heard the case. We
had so much fucking documentation proving all this was just
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a scam to get me back to America. A lot
of embarrassed people in any case. That's one example to
keep trying to keep trying to break through my multiple
layers of VPNs or good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
People imagine being the guy like sitting behind a cubicle,
just like I'm the guy going after to McAfee, Like
that's your job is just to go after John McAfee.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Now we have to be limited. We don't carry telephones
with us and life that that's junior. None of our staff,
nobody around me is allowed to have an electronic device
on their person outside of this room. So that's kind
of limitations. You know what, We thrive, We talk a lot.
I don't know, it has not hurt us, but these
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are some of the distinctions that we have to have.
And we can't just pick up a phone and call
an old friend. That is not possible. Although although where's
my magic phone. I do have, if you're at a
tiny cost of no more than thirty or forty thousand dollars,
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a telephone that I can actually use going across grids
owned by various governments and impossible to trace because at
each at each tangent, at each point where they it
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shunted to some other location, that entire chain is owned
by friends of mine. Mm hm, So I can actually
call you? What is your phone? Member? It just work today? Mine?
You want to call me because I want you to
see I want you to see the number that that
pops up? Okay, are you ready? No, I'm an old man.
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I can really I can really see all right. Here,
there we go. Thanks, it takes a second. Okay, you're
getting all right? Okay, Well there we are. Then hit this.
Are you in America? Are you in America? Okay? I
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think Nebraska. I've got Nebraska. Never got his phone call
from this location.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Let's see, I'll watch the feds are gonna tap my phone? Yeah, right, shadow,
So the area code is four zero two.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Four zero two.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Uh, it's six eight two six eight two one nine one.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Nine five to one.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Oh, this is not My phone is never going to
stop ringing. I know, right, all right, it's right.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah? There you are?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Oh my god? Right now, why don't you read it?
Why don't you read the phone number?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It came from seven three one eight zero three two
four five seven.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
All right, that's my phone that's registered and it's it's
a dead number if you try to call that number.
It's that I haven't paid any count it in years,
registered in Tennessee that I've had for fifteen years. I
have it of rain so that when I call from
this phone, that is so cool my number? Now you
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tell me. Now I'm giving something away now, okay, I
don't care. I'm so far ahead of you freaks. I'm
talking about the government, all right, Yeah, a few bricks
that it's okay to divulge one of my major tools here.
How long have you sons of bit has been trying
to figure out how my phone is still active and
running in fucking Lithuania? All right? So now, and I'm
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not in Lithuania my magic phone. Not many people have
this technology, all right.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But that's that's what I love about you, John, is
that not only are you like you're ahead of the irs,
the most Evils Association, You know a group of men
history talk about it. You're ahead of them, flipping them
off as you.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, I love it, and I want to get this
on the air right now. I have never been suicidal.
I do not have child pornography on my computer. So
whatever hack attempts they make it me, not me investigate
that shit.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, but they will make up a case. See listen,
if you talk to me, by the way, for more
than half an hour, you go on the red flag list. Okay,
you must be friends of mine or I know you
or we are we are into it. And you don't
have black cars following you around for ten years? Oh,
just telling it, I'm exaggerating. That's a joke. You're joking
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about that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You're joking about that. But I'm like, yeah, we shouldn't
be surprised.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Sometimes it turns out not to be a joke. But
that's extremely rare, so I would not worry.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, no, I know it's talk about publicity there for that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I know, right, I'm not not really relevant enough for
them to come after me.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
My boogloo means my Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
What's your opinion on the bogloo? John on the what
the bogloo or you're not not Google Earth bogloo.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's it's like a code name for the big happening.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That all the throwing of the company. Yeah, I've been
I've been underground for a few days getting to the
Catalonian Freedom of Convention secretly without being called. So I'm
I'm not up on the news. Tell me what's happening.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Oh, this is This has been a meme that's been
going around the internet for a while now. It's making
jokes about like fighting the at F and violent the
throwing the government.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, it's basically code word for the happening.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Oh, I love it. I love it as soon as
I hang up.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Thank you absolutely well, because we you know, it's it's
pretty important because of like stuff going on in like
Hong Kong, or even like the stuff that was going
on in Mexico just like last week, so.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And stuff going on everywhere everywhere. Yeah. Cataland I mean,
you know, voted ninety two percent of the populace voted
for independence in December of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh yeah, we actually haven't. We haven't really covered this
topic at all. I don't think on patal Air at all. Yeah,
Catalan So I've john just like a real good background
of it, because I doubt people in America really know
too much about it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Okay, well, right, So they voted for independence and from
Spain in twenty seventeen. In December, the Spanish government said
the vote was illegal, even though this was the purest
vote from any democracy. I mean, what do they let
you vote on? People? Let's get real. Let you vote
on who's president, who's in the house. Do they let
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you vote on anything truly important? One? Should let us
vote on we want to pay less taxes or half
the taxes or no taxes. Let us vote on some
ship that actually touches us. Does that ever happen? No?
But in Catalogia, for the first time, vote on do
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you want to be part of Spain or not? Said no?
Spain sent in the police, arrested most of the leaders.
The president of Catalonia is in hiding even today in Brussels,
and they've just arrested a horde more of people who
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were involved in this legitimate political process of having a vote. No,
is that any different from America asking you? I'm asking you.
Catalonia is divided into seven different parties. It looks like chaos,
but there is no deadly power struggle going on as
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there is in America, where there's only two there are
two princes, and the princes aren't the presidents, and who's
in Congress only gives a shit. No, the princes are
the people who are not elected, the people behind the
people that you elect. And these people rule America for
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God's sake, and a three year old good reason that out.
And so when something happens like in Catalonia, where there's
nothing more obvious ninety two percent and a un monitored
vote voted to least fame part of the constitution of
constitutional requirements, and then suddenly the police are in beating
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old and they're still doing it today, beating women and
children and old ladies with batons in violent fashion. Don't
go people, don't go to Fox and CNN and the
networks for news. You wouldn't find anything. You're on social media.
Do the hashtag Catalonia, hashtag Catalan riots.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago they were
like on you could find a little bit about it,
but then it just kind of went away, you know.
I remember them doing the vote.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So because it's a tiny part of the world no
one has heard about. But goddamn, there are ten million
people here in Catalana. I mean, that's the substantial part
of the of the of the world's population.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
And it's like the richest region of Spain too, isn't
it for what I know?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'm sorry, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I think it's like the richest region of Spain, like
where Spain gets most of their like you know, GDPs
from Catalonia.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
From what I think, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And this is
the reason. And by the way, after the election, not
a single nation would recognize the results. Why because if
catalan can just suddenly decide we don't want to be
part of you anymore, we don't want to be in
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a union with Spain any longer, and we're going to leave,
seems like a reasonable, fucking righteous thing to ask, what
to say? And if that were allowed, can you imagine
California is going to be next up polishing we are
separating from America, and then you're going to have Texas
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and finally Las Vegas and then chaos. So so, in
all the seriousness, they can't allow a democracy to determine
its own future totally separate from the power structure that
can't be allowed, and that's our problems today. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Sorry to take some long, No exactly, we love hearing it. Yeah,
that's an issue. A lot of people don't know a
lot about it. I remember watching following it a little
bit a couple of years ago, and yeah, like Nick said,
it just kind of fell off the face of the
earth there.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So the only reason I know anything about like Spanish
politics is because I have a high school teacher that
I'm still pretty close with that's from Spain, like from
a northern area. So yeah, he would tell me about
how yeah, like kind of is that what they preferred
to have their region called this Catalan? I'm sorry, they
prefer to have it be called Catalan, not Catalonia.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, it is Catalans. I think a Cataluna is the
name of it. Okay. They have their own language, which
is way closer to French than it is, and they
have their own culture, their own ideals, their own identity.
And so this is why I took an interest. I mean, if,
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in fact, the most blatant expression of the public's will
ninety two present in an open monitored election, we don't
want we don't want to be unioned with Spain any longer. Goodbye.
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They can't allow that, can they? And yet this is really,
this is really the will of the people. So what
is democracy here? We've got a crisis. We have a
crisis in democracy and in the structures that support that democracy.
And what's happened is that financial systems have brought our
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democracy in America to its needs. See this, and then
everything else falls into place.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, democracy tries to get rid of the status quo.
I mean, look like with the UK with trying to
leave the Europeinian Union, that's like three years now, it's
two years since that's happened now.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And where have they gone from it? Yeah? It's nasty.
So switch into a high We have time for one
more question, gentlemen. Yet unfortunately my schedule is out cramped.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So oh, you're good. So let's switch to American politics.
You're running for president. How are we going to make
that work?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I hope not. I mean I don't want to be president.
Who in their white mind wants to be president? Because
no presidents have no power the appearance of power. But
you sit in that chair, you have a thousand strings
attached to you. You become the world. Most of st
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catered puppet controlled by Congress, the Senate, but more importantly
by the party that brought you into power and can
remove your power whenever they choose. Do you understand this
is a party political system that personalities no longer matter, folks.
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It's the party that matters, the nameless faces that do
not have to be elected and therefore can remain ominous,
that poll the strings to tell people what to do.
And when I say people with the president, for example,
no president, don't coming instead of their desk and start
marking orders. They come instead of their desk and they
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are briefed. People think briefing means, well, here's the problem
in the Middle East, and here's the problem. No briefing
is here's the reality. Mister President. You're here for four years,
maybe age if you're lucky. I've been here for thirty five,
and Ted here has been here for thirty and we
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know what's going on because our secret covert agencies tell us.
Those agencies are the CIA, the FBI, military Intelligence, the NSA,
and these covert agencies inform the bosses. The bosses then
sit back and digest didn't go, well, what shall we
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tell the president, because listen, does the president have a
need to know? Not according to the bosses, not according
to the party leaders, not according to the intelligence community.
One more person knowing this shit is one more risk
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for America. So I don't want that, John, I don't
want the jobs head of a party now. I want
the job of standing on the national pace stage while running.
And when people ask me what will you do your
first term and president your first day as a president,
I'll say, have you all lost your fucking minds on,
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John McAfee. Nobody in their right fucking mind could believe
I could be president? And if you do, move the
fuck out of your mother's patient. This is the reality.
But I am good at getting the stage, gentlemen. I always.
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I ran in twenty sixteen, got on the national stage
Fox News debates of the Libertarian Party, got my point across.
I've got a much bigger point to make now, and
that stage is all I'm asking and I will have it,
don't one way or the other. I mean, if I
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have to take out and buy baby dolls or ketchup
on their heads and pretend they're children and eat them
in order to get a stage.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean he's got a true point because,
like you know, how the media is around here, the
more ridiculous it is, the more they're going to work exactly, Well.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
What what are people? What are people truly interested in? No,
not what they say they're understand. What are they truly
Let's look at them in a random moment, when there's
not a thought in their heads. You're a freeway. The
air is blue, as the sky is blue, the air
is warm, you see birds flying by, the grass is green,
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and a horrible fucking accident is right around the corner.
Parts of bodies everywhere. What do people do to go? Oh,
too bad and then go back to looking at the
birds and Jimmy, look at the robin. They come to
a halt on the brakes and stare. This is who
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we're dealing with, magnified by the corruption of organizations, be
them corporate or government. So anyway, I've over talked, That's
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all right.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I was gonna say for that metaphor, I'd say most
importantly too, is what people do as they talk about
it too, And it's like it's like you don't even
need to show it.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
People just talk about it for you for free. Yeah,
all right, Well, thank you so much for having me on.
And if if even one of your viewers got any
enjoyment out of this, and that could be very slim.
But they do. And you would like me to come
back work through Janeus and she is my boss. I
(33:02):
do nothing that she does not tell me to do.
Here was one of these cat andline tales that she
bought it a sex shop or someplace. But for sure,
and that was a joke. For those of you who
don't know my humor, that was a joke.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Our audience has a good sense of humor, has a
great sense of human I'll give you a call when
the black helicopters come circling around my apartment.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Hey, listen, If the black helicopters are circling, don't bother.
I cannot help you. If you hear them coming over
the hill, you know, four miles away, then call me.
I might be able to give you good advice. All right,
and thank you gentlemen. Have a good one Jo, take care.
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That's Nick's, not mine. I'm Patriots all the way, baby.
At least the fuck out
Hey, So you know how I told you that we
weren't going to have a show today. That was kind
of a lie and kind of true. We didn't pre
tape one because I didn't have time to, and with
all the holiday shit going on, we weren't going to
go live either. But I did have the next best thing.
I thought at the last minute, in the eleventh hour,
what if we pulled one out of the vault that
a lot of the That's based listeners probably haven't heard before.
(00:44):
The OG's will know what I'm talking about. Once upon
a time, I was on this podcast called Bread and Circuses.
This was six years ago, six or seven years ago.
It started, and it was with another comic named Nick Kohler,
and we would sometimes just bullshit and have fun and
be silly. Sometimes we would have guests on other comedians,
and then sometimes every now and then we would get
an interview that was like way out of our league,
(01:06):
and this was one of them. So I reached out
on a whim. Didn't think we'd ever hear anything back
from this god to this guy named John McAfee. Now
a lot of you have probably heard that name. John McAfee,
the founder of McAfee anti virus. I mean, he's done
all kinds of stuff. You've seen all the showtime and
(01:27):
all the other documentaries about him. He lived quite an
interesting life. Well, by the God, don't even want to
say the grace of God because it ended very unfortunately.
But we were actually the last people to interview John
McAfee before he was imprisoned, and if you believe the
Spanish government, committed suicide. So I just figured we'd roll
(01:49):
this one out because I don't have anything else to
play for you guys this week. I know there's all
kinds of stuff going on in the world. We'll get
to that next week if it's still relevant by then,
but I figured we would just go go real deep
into it. So here's the preface. When we were talking
to him, they had certain conditions. They would not do
a show on stream Yard. It had to be under
a certain time frame. It it was a whole bunch
(02:09):
of the eals. So the audio is gonna suck, the
video is gonna suck, the backdrop's gonna suck. Because it
was in an apartment I was living in and I
don't want to say it was the hood, but it
was a fucking shithole. We'll leave it at that, but
it was a good time. It's grainy. They had to
do it on zoom. That was the only thing he
would do an interview on. It's grainy, it's gritty, and
(02:30):
it's John McAfee at his finest, in his final interview. Anyway,
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the final interview that anybody ever did with the late
(03:13):
Great John McAfee rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
But.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Cool. I saw a recording button. It didn't say who
it was. I'm always assuming it's the CIA when I
see it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I don't have as much of a reason for them
to come after me that they know of.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
What the fuck is up?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Friends, it's Brendon Circuses. You guys know you've been promoted
from people to friends now, that's what We've been doing
this long enough. That's how it is.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We it's Caleb Salvator and it's Nicoler here and we're
here with the.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Interesting in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, the one, the only man, John McCaffey.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How's it going, my friend, he's going good. We we
traveled to Barcelona to Catalonia this weekend. I was invited
to speak at the Freedom Confidence Conference. There. I met
a lot of wonderful people, got to hear both sides
(04:15):
of the Catalonia situation. Yeah, there's no right or wrong here.
There's just a bunch of anger and nobody's listening. But anyway,
I spoke my piece, and we came back this morning
and having a class. Where are you guys at right now?
(04:36):
If you don't mind me asking, i'd have to kill
you if oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I figured he's somewhere. That's part of those things.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's like, as soon as you say it, it's like,
I shouldn't say that, but I'm gonna sound really fucking
dumb if I just cut myself off.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
He's in parts unknown right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Now, not even not even our closest friends know where
we are.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay, so he's not going to tell us.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You're So for anybody.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean, if you could sneak some good drugs in
here that were you know, uh, susceptible to your cause,
you know, maybe I might reveal something, but.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They let me talk to you after the recording goes off.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's so now, John, Just for any of the people
listening here that just aren't as well versed in the
situation here, I would like to hear it from you,
and I'm sure that people.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Would as well.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Why you have to, like, you know, be as secretive
as you are, and there is good reason, I sure
the people out there, But why not hear from the
guy himself?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
All right? Okay? Well, you know I've I have I've
always been sort of on the front lines of rebellion
and against corruption because there's so much of it around,
you know, and it's impossible for corruption not to touch you.
Whether it's you know, someone that's a driver's license bureau
(06:04):
in the police department, or a judge, a bailiff, it's everywhere.
So I don't care for it. I really don't, you know.
I don't like being shaken down in a world where
I have worked hard to get where I am. So
I've always been outspoken. Nothing much happened if I haven't
(06:25):
paid taxes for nine years almost going on ten now,
but I told the government on my pain taxay of
income taxation is illegal, sun constitutional. You didn't have one
until nineteen thirteen and gone along just fine, So I'm
not pain. They never bothered me for I don't know
(06:46):
seven years, right, never said a word. I just never
never filed. I didn't file a fraudulent retirement just finally, Okay.
So however, I started speaking out about crypto and how
because crypto is I mean, it's the goose that laid
(07:08):
the golden egg. In terms of my philosophies in life, right,
I'm here for the average man, for the small person,
for those of us under the crush of oppression from
the financial institutions that control America, and much of the world.
(07:29):
So when I started speaking out, how listen, if you're
using privacy coins and distributed exchanges, I mean, if you
want to be honest about your taxes, tell them everybody
you made where it came from. I'm selling whatever, I'm
selling drugs on the dark nat book. Who cares? Don't
I tell them what this is? What I made? Or
(07:51):
if you're the average person and know that no one
will know one way or the other, whatever number you
come up with, maybe going to pay your fair share.
You and I both and everybody listening to me knows
nobody's going to pay this human nature. So I've been
(08:12):
promoting that. I've been telling people how cryptocurrencies can allow
the individual to shrug off the yoke of financial institutions
that are controlling them today through FIAT currencies, through banking,
to regulations, laws, through monitoring. Listen, you know, I've I
(08:35):
understood this is a free country, and it used to
be when I was a kid, it was a free country.
It's disappeared, and I've watched it disappear over my seventy
four years. I'm not going to stand idly by. So
in any case, in January of this year, the internal
(08:58):
revenue service, and I did myself, Janice and four of
our workers on unspecified felonious tax evasion charges. Now, according
to the law, if you haven't filed, you cannot have
committed fraud. I wantn't abating anybody. But here's where I live.
(09:22):
I'm not paying your taxes. No evasion there, right, Yeah,
Now it just suddenly hit a raw point because governments
are terrified of what crypto and the blockchain might do
to the authoritarian rule that they have over their people today.
(09:45):
So I'm on the run. I'm gonna I'm in a hell.
I'm gonna I'm gonna Faraday Cage. What does that mean?
It's it's a room. This is our communications room that
no signal can enter or leave. And in addition, we
have eight channel signal cameras everywhere to jam any signal
(10:10):
that's going out. So there's simply no way that anyone
can find us. We travel, We travel freely. We showed up.
We showed up yesterday in Catalonia in support of the Catalonians.
So anyway, we're living fine. It's just that we are
(10:31):
on the run. And have you have have you caught?
Continue speaking? Go ahead? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sorry, I was gonna ask because of that room, there
have you caught any US surveillance like techniques at all,
like in the past couple of years or anything like that,
Like what what have you found specific uh that the
US government is like tried to.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Do a tournament electronically spying on me what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Or yah, yeah, anything, Because I know, I know that
they have the capability to do some really scary stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They set us up in the Dominican Republic three and
a half months ago, so that when our boat arrived,
we were surrounded not by Immigration and Customs with the
law demands, but by their internal executive branch, which, after
four days of haggling, insisted did I go back to
(11:24):
America even though I had not arrived from America. I
also popped out my British passport. I have dual citizenship.
I said, if you want to send me somewhere, send
me to England. And they insisted. But thank god we
had lawyer representation and what it looked like we were
going to actually go to court. They were so fucking nice.
(11:45):
I mean, at that point, Jennis and I were taking
out of a rotting jail cell and we were taken
to the airport VIP room and had with the Dominican
Republican General because that had that gone to court, that
would have unraveled a lot of ship that the CIA
is doing, the American government is doing, and the entire
(12:08):
Caribbean region. So in any case, I played, I played
the separation of powers card and Midican Republicans and democracy.
They actually have a real judicial system of Praise God
when we do in a big time like they did
with us in front of the press. I'm not grabbing
(12:29):
you on a street corn, okay now with the world watching,
and you are absolutely right by law, and it's recorded
by the people themselves all the things that they have broken.
Oh when fucked me. When that happens and the person
doesn't cave in like most of it, they put you
(12:50):
in a jail cell and it's it's ugly and hot
and scary, and think of four days of softening up
when we say go back to America. Is going to go? God,
please just don't put me back in the cell. Well,
fuck me. I was laughing in my cell and having
fun with my cellmates. Put me back there. I give
a flying fuck. However, he said, my lawyers, which they
(13:15):
had to let me see two of them. When I
saw what was happening, I said final a brief with
the courts saying that no one can deport me to
any place until the courts have heard the case. We
had so much fucking documentation proving all this was just
(13:37):
a scam to get me back to America. A lot
of embarrassed people in any case. That's one example to
keep trying to keep trying to break through my multiple
layers of VPNs or good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
People imagine being the guy like sitting behind a cubicle,
just like I'm the guy going after to McAfee, Like
that's your job is just to go after John McAfee.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Now we have to be limited. We don't carry telephones
with us and life that that's junior. None of our staff,
nobody around me is allowed to have an electronic device
on their person outside of this room. So that's kind
of limitations. You know what, We thrive, We talk a lot.
I don't know, it has not hurt us, but these
(14:26):
are some of the distinctions that we have to have.
And we can't just pick up a phone and call
an old friend. That is not possible. Although although where's
my magic phone. I do have, if you're at a
tiny cost of no more than thirty or forty thousand dollars,
(14:46):
a telephone that I can actually use going across grids
owned by various governments and impossible to trace because at
each at each tangent, at each point where they it
(15:07):
shunted to some other location, that entire chain is owned
by friends of mine. Mm hm, So I can actually
call you? What is your phone? Member? It just work today? Mine?
You want to call me because I want you to
see I want you to see the number that that
pops up? Okay, are you ready? No, I'm an old man.
(15:30):
I can really I can really see all right. Here,
there we go. Thanks, it takes a second. Okay, you're
getting all right? Okay, Well there we are. Then hit this.
Are you in America? Are you in America? Okay? I
(15:53):
think Nebraska. I've got Nebraska. Never got his phone call
from this location.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Let's see, I'll watch the feds are gonna tap my phone? Yeah, right, shadow,
So the area code is four zero two.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Four zero two.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Uh, it's six eight two six eight two one nine one.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Nine five to one.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Oh, this is not My phone is never going to
stop ringing. I know, right, all right, it's right.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah? There you are?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Oh my god? Right now, why don't you read it?
Why don't you read the phone number?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It came from seven three one eight zero three two
four five seven.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
All right, that's my phone that's registered and it's it's
a dead number if you try to call that number.
It's that I haven't paid any count it in years,
registered in Tennessee that I've had for fifteen years. I
have it of rain so that when I call from
this phone, that is so cool my number? Now you
(17:14):
tell me. Now I'm giving something away now, okay, I
don't care. I'm so far ahead of you freaks. I'm
talking about the government, all right, Yeah, a few bricks
that it's okay to divulge one of my major tools here.
How long have you sons of bit has been trying
to figure out how my phone is still active and
running in fucking Lithuania? All right? So now, and I'm
(17:41):
not in Lithuania my magic phone. Not many people have
this technology, all right.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But that's that's what I love about you, John, is
that not only are you like you're ahead of the irs,
the most Evils Association, You know a group of men
history talk about it. You're ahead of them, flipping them
off as you.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, I love it, and I want to get this
on the air right now. I have never been suicidal.
I do not have child pornography on my computer. So
whatever hack attempts they make it me, not me investigate
that shit.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, but they will make up a case. See listen,
if you talk to me, by the way, for more
than half an hour, you go on the red flag list. Okay,
you must be friends of mine or I know you
or we are we are into it. And you don't
have black cars following you around for ten years? Oh,
just telling it, I'm exaggerating. That's a joke. You're joking
(18:45):
about that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You're joking about that. But I'm like, yeah, we shouldn't
be surprised.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Sometimes it turns out not to be a joke. But
that's extremely rare, so I would not worry.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, no, I know it's talk about publicity there for that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I know, right, I'm not not really relevant enough for
them to come after me.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
My boogloo means my Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
What's your opinion on the bogloo? John on the what
the bogloo or you're not not Google Earth bogloo.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's it's like a code name for the big happening.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That all the throwing of the company. Yeah, I've been
I've been underground for a few days getting to the
Catalonian Freedom of Convention secretly without being called. So I'm
I'm not up on the news. Tell me what's happening.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Oh, this is This has been a meme that's been
going around the internet for a while now. It's making
jokes about like fighting the at F and violent the
throwing the government.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, it's basically code word for the happening.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Oh, I love it. I love it as soon as
I hang up.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Thank you absolutely well, because we you know, it's it's
pretty important because of like stuff going on in like
Hong Kong, or even like the stuff that was going
on in Mexico just like last week, so.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And stuff going on everywhere everywhere. Yeah. Cataland I mean,
you know, voted ninety two percent of the populace voted
for independence in December of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh yeah, we actually haven't. We haven't really covered this
topic at all. I don't think on patal Air at all. Yeah,
Catalan So I've john just like a real good background
of it, because I doubt people in America really know
too much about it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Okay, well, right, So they voted for independence and from
Spain in twenty seventeen. In December, the Spanish government said
the vote was illegal, even though this was the purest
vote from any democracy. I mean, what do they let
you vote on? People? Let's get real. Let you vote
on who's president, who's in the house. Do they let
(21:06):
you vote on anything truly important? One? Should let us
vote on we want to pay less taxes or half
the taxes or no taxes. Let us vote on some
ship that actually touches us. Does that ever happen? No?
But in Catalogia, for the first time, vote on do
(21:27):
you want to be part of Spain or not? Said no?
Spain sent in the police, arrested most of the leaders.
The president of Catalonia is in hiding even today in Brussels,
and they've just arrested a horde more of people who
(21:50):
were involved in this legitimate political process of having a vote. No,
is that any different from America asking you? I'm asking you.
Catalonia is divided into seven different parties. It looks like chaos,
but there is no deadly power struggle going on as
(22:15):
there is in America, where there's only two there are
two princes, and the princes aren't the presidents, and who's
in Congress only gives a shit. No, the princes are
the people who are not elected, the people behind the
people that you elect. And these people rule America for
(22:37):
God's sake, and a three year old good reason that out.
And so when something happens like in Catalonia, where there's
nothing more obvious ninety two percent and a un monitored
vote voted to least fame part of the constitution of
constitutional requirements, and then suddenly the police are in beating
(23:04):
old and they're still doing it today, beating women and
children and old ladies with batons in violent fashion. Don't
go people, don't go to Fox and CNN and the
networks for news. You wouldn't find anything. You're on social media.
Do the hashtag Catalonia, hashtag Catalan riots.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago they were
like on you could find a little bit about it,
but then it just kind of went away, you know.
I remember them doing the vote.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So because it's a tiny part of the world no
one has heard about. But goddamn, there are ten million
people here in Catalana. I mean, that's the substantial part
of the of the of the world's population.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
And it's like the richest region of Spain too, isn't
it for what I know?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'm sorry, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I think it's like the richest region of Spain, like
where Spain gets most of their like you know, GDPs
from Catalonia.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
From what I think, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And this is
the reason. And by the way, after the election, not
a single nation would recognize the results. Why because if
catalan can just suddenly decide we don't want to be
part of you anymore, we don't want to be in
(24:31):
a union with Spain any longer, and we're going to leave,
seems like a reasonable, fucking righteous thing to ask, what
to say? And if that were allowed, can you imagine
California is going to be next up polishing we are
separating from America, and then you're going to have Texas
(24:54):
and finally Las Vegas and then chaos. So so, in
all the seriousness, they can't allow a democracy to determine
its own future totally separate from the power structure that
can't be allowed, and that's our problems today. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Sorry to take some long, No exactly, we love hearing it. Yeah,
that's an issue. A lot of people don't know a
lot about it. I remember watching following it a little
bit a couple of years ago, and yeah, like Nick said,
it just kind of fell off the face of the
earth there.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So the only reason I know anything about like Spanish
politics is because I have a high school teacher that
I'm still pretty close with that's from Spain, like from
a northern area. So yeah, he would tell me about
how yeah, like kind of is that what they preferred
to have their region called this Catalan? I'm sorry, they
prefer to have it be called Catalan, not Catalonia.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, it is Catalans. I think a Cataluna is the
name of it. Okay. They have their own language, which
is way closer to French than it is, and they
have their own culture, their own ideals, their own identity.
And so this is why I took an interest. I mean, if,
(26:11):
in fact, the most blatant expression of the public's will
ninety two present in an open monitored election, we don't
want we don't want to be unioned with Spain any longer. Goodbye.
(26:34):
They can't allow that, can they? And yet this is really,
this is really the will of the people. So what
is democracy here? We've got a crisis. We have a
crisis in democracy and in the structures that support that democracy.
And what's happened is that financial systems have brought our
(26:55):
democracy in America to its needs. See this, and then
everything else falls into place.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, democracy tries to get rid of the status quo.
I mean, look like with the UK with trying to
leave the Europeinian Union, that's like three years now, it's
two years since that's happened now.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And where have they gone from it? Yeah? It's nasty.
So switch into a high We have time for one
more question, gentlemen. Yet unfortunately my schedule is out cramped.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So oh, you're good. So let's switch to American politics.
You're running for president. How are we going to make
that work?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I hope not. I mean I don't want to be president.
Who in their white mind wants to be president? Because
no presidents have no power the appearance of power. But
you sit in that chair, you have a thousand strings
attached to you. You become the world. Most of st
(28:00):
catered puppet controlled by Congress, the Senate, but more importantly
by the party that brought you into power and can
remove your power whenever they choose. Do you understand this
is a party political system that personalities no longer matter, folks.
(28:24):
It's the party that matters, the nameless faces that do
not have to be elected and therefore can remain ominous,
that poll the strings to tell people what to do.
And when I say people with the president, for example,
no president, don't coming instead of their desk and start
marking orders. They come instead of their desk and they
(28:47):
are briefed. People think briefing means, well, here's the problem
in the Middle East, and here's the problem. No briefing
is here's the reality. Mister President. You're here for four years,
maybe age if you're lucky. I've been here for thirty five,
and Ted here has been here for thirty and we
(29:10):
know what's going on because our secret covert agencies tell us.
Those agencies are the CIA, the FBI, military Intelligence, the NSA,
and these covert agencies inform the bosses. The bosses then
sit back and digest didn't go, well, what shall we
(29:33):
tell the president, because listen, does the president have a
need to know? Not according to the bosses, not according
to the party leaders, not according to the intelligence community.
One more person knowing this shit is one more risk
(29:53):
for America. So I don't want that, John, I don't
want the jobs head of a party now. I want
the job of standing on the national pace stage while running.
And when people ask me what will you do your
first term and president your first day as a president,
I'll say, have you all lost your fucking minds on,
(30:16):
John McAfee. Nobody in their right fucking mind could believe
I could be president? And if you do, move the
fuck out of your mother's patient. This is the reality.
But I am good at getting the stage, gentlemen. I always.
(30:40):
I ran in twenty sixteen, got on the national stage
Fox News debates of the Libertarian Party, got my point across.
I've got a much bigger point to make now, and
that stage is all I'm asking and I will have it,
don't one way or the other. I mean, if I
(31:02):
have to take out and buy baby dolls or ketchup
on their heads and pretend they're children and eat them
in order to get a stage.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean he's got a true point because,
like you know, how the media is around here, the
more ridiculous it is, the more they're going to work exactly, Well.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
What what are people? What are people truly interested in? No,
not what they say they're understand. What are they truly
Let's look at them in a random moment, when there's
not a thought in their heads. You're a freeway. The
air is blue, as the sky is blue, the air
is warm, you see birds flying by, the grass is green,
(31:47):
and a horrible fucking accident is right around the corner.
Parts of bodies everywhere. What do people do to go? Oh,
too bad and then go back to looking at the
birds and Jimmy, look at the robin. They come to
a halt on the brakes and stare. This is who
(32:11):
we're dealing with, magnified by the corruption of organizations, be
them corporate or government. So anyway, I've over talked, That's
(32:32):
all right.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I was gonna say for that metaphor, I'd say most
importantly too, is what people do as they talk about
it too, And it's like it's like you don't even
need to show it.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
People just talk about it for you for free. Yeah,
all right, Well, thank you so much for having me on.
And if if even one of your viewers got any
enjoyment out of this, and that could be very slim.
But they do. And you would like me to come
back work through Janeus and she is my boss. I
(33:02):
do nothing that she does not tell me to do.
Here was one of these cat andline tales that she
bought it a sex shop or someplace. But for sure,
and that was a joke. For those of you who
don't know my humor, that was a joke.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Our audience has a good sense of humor, has a
great sense of human I'll give you a call when
the black helicopters come circling around my apartment.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Hey, listen, If the black helicopters are circling, don't bother.
I cannot help you. If you hear them coming over
the hill, you know, four miles away, then call me.
I might be able to give you good advice. All right,
and thank you gentlemen. Have a good one Jo, take care.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What's up guys, Thanks for watching. Make sure you go
down and like and subscribe to our channel.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Leave a comment.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
If you're feeling really generous, make sure you go like
us on Facebook. Bread and circuses by Big Bill Media.
All of our other social media is also in the
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Speaker 3 (34:01):
Follow all that.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
December seventh, We've got mister Z's birthday at Wired. I'll
be performing there. Nick will be as well, with a
bunch of other comics. Make sure you come out and
check us out. We're also gonna have a fucked ton
more tour dates coming out soon. We're gonna announcing I'm
real quick here. By the way, this Eagle's trash in
the background.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
That's Nick's, not mine. I'm Patriots all the way, baby.
At least the fuck out
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