October 21, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, busheads, Welcome to the Seventies Buzz Podcast. I'm Curtis Tucker.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Todd Wheeler, bringing you our memories or lack thereof,
of growing up in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We are not a history podcast. We just want you
guys to know that sometimes we get things wrong, and
if you listen to us long enough, you're going to
be screaming at your device trying to give us the
right answers.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Listen up as we recount growing up in the Midwest
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
I've hit the button on.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Somebody has that food?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, everybody, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
To another exciting episode of the Seventies Buzz Podcast where
Curtis and totter under the web.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
A little bit have been but.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
A little bit. I think I've got the flu, but
it's kind of a weird flu. It's like it's just
chills and sweats.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So maybe the bird flu.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, or it could be the zombie flu. I don't
know what it is, but anyway, you guys hit us
up so I may I'll try not to cough into
the microphone. I don't really have a bad I don't
have a cough. It's just I don't know. You get
that weird feeling that you want to clear your throat
every now and then. So hit us up at five
eight oho five four one three eighth five or buzz
(01:49):
and buzzhead media dat cam. Oh, and I'm sure you
can tell by the title. Uh, we took a left
turn on this episode. Ace threw us a curveball, so
we decided to instead of going HALLOWEENI Christopher Todd wanted
to talk about Ace because Ace was a huge influence
(02:12):
on him and a lot of people. You know, there's
there's those deaths that kind of you just hear it
and then two hours later it's all over. And then
there's the ones that just go on for days and
days and people talking and when did he die? Oh gosh,
I'm not sure what day it. Well, last week, I
(02:32):
believe into last week, so sixteenth. Yeah, So we we
did a kiss episode in two thousand and twenty so
if you want to kind of listen to that one,
you can go back. So this one's this is Ace.
I've been trying to figure out how to say his
(02:53):
name freely Frailey. It's not Freiley, and it's not freely,
it's like freely frely because I watched him he was
doing an interview and they said that, They said, you know,
we've heard two ways to say your name, and he goes, no,
there's actually three.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
There was a.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Freely freely, but the way you're supposed to say it
is freely fre frely.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
What's the where's he from? What's what's his like? He
was the quiet kiss member.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
See, that's what I always thought, but come to find
out he was kind of the comedic more.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm just gonna say quiet. I mean, you didn't hear
a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah. Yeah, Well let's wait and get into that. Let's
get phone calls by the way real quick, and then
we'll get Christopher Todd on the phone. Dave called. Dave called,
he's continuing his streak of seeing a movie a week.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh well, now we're coming into the holidays, so there
should be more to see.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Dave. Question, do you go to the movie alone, or
do you you go, do somebody go with you? I
go along, go nobody go to the movie there. I mean,
I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't mind seeing a movie alone every now and then.
And then he's got some other stuff that'll be over
on Busshead Radio. Gredging called. She gave us a list
of her favorite candy, Halloween candy when she was a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
She mentioned Mary Jeane.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
She's talking about the Mary Jeane, like the married Juanna.
I'm trying to hey, and then she goes into some
creepy old lady's house that she doesn't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, talk about creepy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Could have been like one of these movies I've just
seen there.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, what were Mary Jane's in the seventies?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Candy It's Good to Take You Marijuana.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They're kind of uh classic chewy peanut butter and molasses.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Taffy never heard of him.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know that people
passed those out here in Enid, in our part of
the country. But she did, like Reese's Pieces and some
other other ones. Uh, And they did take pillow cases
when they went trick or treating. And she said they
would decorate them.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh, I never took a pillow case.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh dude, you missed out. Lots of trunk of treats
going on there. And then she said her friend went
to see Sean Cassidy and he kind of was didn't
do so well.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, sound like you saving.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Age age health issues.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He is in his seventies, had to change.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
His shirt and couldn't remember.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Words and sound like he had to flu. He may
have to flu.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I don't know. She tried to watch the roller Coaster
movie from the seventies and bailed on it. I guess
it must be.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, that's what she was talking about. Yeah, I forget
in that movie.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I guess it must be pretty bad. And Dave, no,
I still haven't tried to see Kill the Irishman.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Keep forgetting about that movie? Yeah, I say, we'll be
sitting here talking to me. I should write him down,
because like there's three or four movies want we go see.
And then I go sit down in my chair and
turn TV on. I'm like, oh, what am I going
to watch?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I texted Todd last night and told him that Almost
Famous was on, and then I went ahead and watched
it again.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's on Prime too. You can watch it anytime.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, we may have to do an episode on that.
It's a it's a pretty good, pretty good movie. I mean,
and it's sat in seventy three, seventy four. So and
then Gretchen forgot to hang up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Gretchen, you did pull a Steve.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
She went on for several minutes of singing coldplay that
we had to sit here and listen to.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We didn't have to, but we was funny.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But we did. And out of kindness, we will not
play it publicly to all our listeners unless you do,
unless you do something like oppose our caramel comments stuff
like that. Jeffrey emailed, Hi Jeffrey. So he actually emailed
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last week, but I think I missed his email by
the time I left to go do the show. But
he says, hello, Jeffrey here. Yesterday I went to the
doctor to get this is last week. I went to
the doctor to get my blood drawn and I fainted
and lost consciousness for twenty minutes. Afterwards, I had a
short term amnesia. It was really scary to not know
(07:42):
who I was, where I was, and what I was
doing or not doing. My doctor said it was because
of a mixture of stress. I may trypanophobe.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wow, never heard of such thing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Low blood sugar and heart palpitations. I hope that will
ever happened in my lifetime. Again, how were hospitals home
doctors during the seventies?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Were they much it's a fear of needles.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh, I learned that I do not have a fear
of needles. I could care less about needles. They could
poke me all they want. Were hospitals different from the
eighties nineties now?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Oh? Yeah? I mean when my son was born in
nineteen eighty, had dash trays in the in the rooms.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I mean, and they were yeah, I mean just
more open. You just walk in and I don't know,
it's kind of like you know now they're security and yeah,
I don't know how. Yeah, they were definitely different. But
as a kid in the seventies, because my dad was
Air Force, I got to go out to the base hospital.
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So when I had something wrong, my mom would take
me out to the base. And then this week emailed
he says, here, I'm doing better. I hope all doing too.
Only a few more months and it's Christmas. Oh my,
what a week, Curtis. Did you read my other email?
I just did. Oh, my neighbor's daughter got a good
(09:14):
idea for Halloween costume disco disco girl. I told her
they would be groovy. I think I will send a
couple newsletters new letters next week, completely black letters. Probably.
That'll be cool for kind of that hall lloweeny feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, speaking of Christmas, there's like nine fridays until Christmas. Yeah, yeah,
Kip said that the other night, and I'm like, oh no,
and I started counting. Yeah, November, yeah, yeah, it is, Yeah,
that is. It's not on Friday, but it's I think
it's on Thursday this year.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's pretty crazy. Yeah, the yeah, this year has flew.
They're off flying, they're all flying.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
By, not like but they didn't in the seventies though,
what And I read.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Something the other day that talked about why that does
that and I can't And there's a reason that young
people perceived time as being slower and older people perceive
it as being going quicker. And I can't remember what
the explanation was, but I might have to look that up.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
For next week.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay, let's give christ for Todd a call here in
a minute.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But so.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Now, Kiss was like the hugest band in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh absolutely, And they.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Had tons of albums in the eighties and nineties and
on and on and solos and stuff. But you couldn't
get any more better best then Kiss in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And why is that, mister Weedlaw, because that was the
greatest dayloadsman.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm a little if I'm a little discombobulated.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, we totally forgot last week.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
No, go back and listen. It's on there.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Oh did you stick it in there?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Did you make it obvious?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You you mentioned something about poop. Oh listen, Yeah, you
have to go listen. You you made a comment about pizza. Yeah,
and I found one that said that was talking about pizza.
Oh really, so it fit perfect.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Nobody's even Yeah, it's good. Were ready to call.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
We'll see if anybody gets that, if they know what
we're even talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Loud? That was loud. Where are you Christopher Todd?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Guys, there is.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Feeling, Curtis.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm hanging in there. I'm doped up on ibuprofen right now,
so I'm okay till the chills, chills in the sweat
start again.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I was trying to tell him he needs to take
some niquall to mite. That stuff works for me. Oh
where'd you go?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Hang on, everybody, what do we do last week? I
can't remember, though. There you are.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, for some reason, you went quiet. I think I
think it's my phone connection anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, I tried to look up because you've heard. I've
heard people say I had a touch of the flu,
and I I feel like I've got like a touch
of the flu. I don't feel like I have like
the full blown flu. Like when I get the full
blown flu. I like don't even want to get out
of bed. I'm like achey, And really all I've got
is like chills and sweats.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Sunday night, I couldn't get warm enough, and then I
get in bed and I warmed right up. And then
by morning I'm sweating and pulling taking clothes off.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I hate that, waking up in sweaty sheets.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's so weird.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Sick, sick. I'm going to Hawaii on Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Are you really? You dog?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Again?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You dog? Has it been? How wins is it? And
hadn't been a year? Has it?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It'll be exactly a year when we go.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Wow, I do believe these years are flying again.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Wow, it's fun being there at Halloween. I'm expecting to
see a lot of Ace Frehley this year.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
There you go, Freley.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
He called him Freeley. We were just talking about that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The correct Ace has said it freely, but you know
people will say freely. But I mean, I'm sitting here
listening to an Eddie Trunk podcast with all these musicians
talking about how much they love Ace, and half of
them are saying Freiley and half of them are saying Freely.
So I always called him freely, but yeah, I think
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it's it's it's Frayley. That's I mean, he even says
it himself.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah. He did an interview and he said, there's Frayley,
Freiley and Freely, and I.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Guess I guess he was. I guess he was. Eddie
said that he was. He was impressed because Trump got
his name right. He said, he said, he you pronounced
my name right. That is. I don't know if you
guys knew. But kisses doing the they doing. They got
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chosen for the Kennedy Center Honors this year.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And it would have been the first time since the
Rock and A Hall of Fame and I think thirteen
that the four of them have been together. But no,
that'll never happen. That's so sad. Yeah, I don't really
he like fell, that's so he Yeah, not like any
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trunk was in here. You know. It's hey, it's ironic,
and you know Ates would have laughed at it himself
because he had that sense of humor. Is that this
whole thing? I mean, if you go back to Kiss Alive,
he's talking about how the gravity here is not the
same on my planet. And he's you know, had songs
called trouble Walking, and he's notorious for falling down on
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stage because his balance is so bad. Yeah, he and
then he ends up. Yeah, he fell down the stairs
at his house and taken to the hospital. Apparently he
was fine. They told him to go home, rest, stay down.
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He got up, tried to walk down the stairs again
when he fell again down the stairs, and that's after
that he was never conscious again. He So he tried.
I was just saying, yeah, he had, and.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
So was.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Jean and Paul apparently and Peter and other members that
have come in and out of Kiss. They've been aware
for two weeks that Australia's gone, but it was just
a matter of when the family made the sense.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, that's just.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I gotta tell you, guys, I may get emotional. This is,
hands down, for me, the biggest loss and music.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, I was just telling talk for me. Yeah, there's
some musicians that die and it's just like four hours
worth of talking about it. And then there's some that
just like Ace, I mean, tribute after tribute.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And people you know, I mean, you know how many
guitar players are out there, whether it be at my level,
the kind of you just do your own thing and
then you go to your day job. Are the ones
that are touring the world and had major careers that
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say I started playing guitar because of Israeli. It's it's huge.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I was gonna say, I've seen a ton of them.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's just the biggest thing you can equate it to.
Is As far as mass appeal to the world, I
don't think it's it's the Beatles and its Kiss. There's
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and Elvis, but there's people from all walks of life
that love kiss. It's not just this niche, this niche,
it's not. It's it's wide spread and it's shown you
and it's been proven by I had a friend to
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me he goes. I've never seen anybody Ozzie Tom Petty
ed even haling anybody that's getting this much social media,
you know, praise, Yeah, and can you know how they
feel this loss?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
And it's just they're just unlike anybody else. I mean,
created something that will never be topped, and if anybody
tries to top it, they're just going to be compared
to Kiss.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, they hit just at the right time. I think
they was like a swim spot or a perfect storm
or something that you know. As you were sitting here
talking about that, I got to thinking when Mark and
I decided that we wanted to start a band, because
we saw him in seventy six and those right about
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the time, I mean we started listening to him in
seventy three or seventy four and seventy four. Yeah, and
I was like, you know what, I bet I didn't
realize it, but I bet that had a really big
input or influence on Mark and I starting.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I'm sure it didn't. I mean, I you know, little
kid in Ohile I was, I was eight years old,
just turned it kind of a few months ago, and
I wanted to be nothing but evil and evil that's
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all I read I think at one point I wanted
to be a cowboy and I to be Evil Canevil,
and I was grounded. I remember that it was hollow.
It was a I don't really I want to say
October twenty ninth, nineteen seventy six. I think that's the
air date I'm grounded. But my parents say, come on out,
(20:19):
you can sit and watch this TV show with this.
So I'm sitting on the floor, my parents are on
the couch or watching the paul In Halloween spec and
Kiss comes on, and I kid you not, from that
moment on, I didn't care about Evil Canievel. I didn't
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care about anything else. I wanted to be, you know,
I wanted to do that. Yeah, and I immediately keyed
in on ace it. It's just I turned to my
parents and go, can I have a Kiss record for Christmas?
And I remember my dad, you know, being stern like
we'll see you know, my mom going, oh, dear God,
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well what's going on here? You know? And you know,
then my dad just you know, a few weeks later
got killed. And so for Christmas, you know, of course,
mom just said make a list. I'm going to go
get you whatever you want. You know, you know she did.
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She didn't want to have to think about what to
get kids. Make me a list, and I still have
that Christmas list. My sister wrote it out for me,
but I still have it. And I don't want to
kiss records. So I don't know why she chose kiss
Alive one, you know, because at that point they would
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have had four studios. I think Destroyer was out rocking
all over Haaving came out just oh I know I had,
So I don't know why she chose Kiss Alive. But man,
what what an excellent record to have. That's your first record.
I mean, I still listen to that record and then
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just I just listened to the whole thing yesterday. It's
just it just it still gets me exactly like I
did with another kid, and I was thinking about it.
You know, I'm kind of proud that I nobody told
me I need to listen to kiss. Nobody told me, I,
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you know, you got to check out this band. You
gotta do. I saw them, I heard them, and it
changed everything for me, and I did it on my own,
you know. But yeah, for that Christmas Mom got me
Kiss Alive. But but the the relatives all knowing that
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I loved Eva Knevil all got me four of those
wind up Actually I'm looking at one right stuff, Like, yeah,
I have one of them right here that my buddy
bought me a few years ago. It's a it's a
newer one, but it looks exactly insane. It's those wind
up things. Like four different relatives bought me four of those,
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and well, actually they bought me three of those, and
one of them gave me a smaller evil, a little
action figure, and so I I I painted him to
look like Kiss, how funny and how funny, and I
made little guitars for him, and I made a drum
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set out of like toilet paper rolls, and then I
put the little evil knievel behind the drunes because he
was in the back, so he's farther away, so he's smaller.
And I got a black light for Christmas as well,
because that was on my list. And I would literally
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just sit in my room and put on Kiss a lot.
I've I just sit there and stare at my Kiss,
and yeah, I just sit there and stare at it.
And it was a huge escape from all the pain
that was going on in my house, you know, because
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my dad had just passed and it was total escapism.
And and you know what's awesome about that is that's
what Kiss was the whole thing. You were never going
to go to a Kiss concert and hear them talk politics.
You know, we don't talk politics. We blow ship up
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and play rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And breathe fire and yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And it just had that same effect on kids my
age across the world. And that's why, I mean, it's
like there Beatle proportion as far as influence on I mean,
there's what made you start music? I saw the Beatles
on that Tellivision what what what made you start music?
(25:07):
I saw Kiss on the Halloween Special or the Midnight
Special or Don Chrisher's rock concert. They they that was
their changing moment. It's the Beatles and Kiss It. There's
so many like that, and Ace was just huge for
(25:27):
me like that. It's just I mean, do you guys know,
have you ever heard the story of Ace auditioning for Kiss.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I I read a little bit about it, but not
all of it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't think I had.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
So Jean and Paul started the band. They were actually
in a band called Wicked Lasted, and they split that
band up because they said now that this is not
what we want to do, so they you know, and
then they found Peter. And so the three of them
had been rehearsing for a few months and they had
this and this thing down, but they knew they needed
a lead guitar player, and so they were holding auditions
and and the Ace answered the ad and Ace walks
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in while another guitar player's actually playing with them already.
He walks in and apparently he's got on like one
orange sneaker and one red one and he's kind of
stumbling around. He just walks up, plugs in his amp,
starts playing while they're still playing with this guy he's
(26:31):
over there warming up, you know, and they're like, you know,
Jeane walks up and goes, hey, man, you know we're
in the middle of this. Why don't you know shut
the f up and wait your turn, and and you know,
Paul's like, this guy better be get you know, and
Paul says it. They showed him the chords, this is
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the song going to play. We'll point to you when
it's time for the guitar soul and you and Paul said,
as soon as he heard him, he was like that
that's our boy. That's him, and he just had that style.
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Guess he couldn't even read music or no, no, no,
he said he was he never took a lesson, that's
what he said.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well, and I think he did say he couldn't read music.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Really yeah. Well, you know, I think you find a
lot of Joe Perry doesn't read mu I think there's
I think I think that's very common that these really
badass guys that play from the gut, play from their heart,
they're the ones that don't read music, you know what
I mean. Like, you know, Eddie van Haalen read music
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because he was a trained piano player. You know, he
grew up in that world. So yeah, he probably he
probably knew a lot about you know. Actually Eddie didn't
read music either, that's right, that's right. He just learned
from watching someone play. He would learn and look and go, okay,
I got it, you know, and then he would just
remember how it goes, that's right. So most of these
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guys can't. So, I mean it's very common in rock
and roll that they don't know how to read music.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
At what age did you start playing guitar?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
So there was that, I mean I was eight and
I knew I wanted to play guitar, and there was
a lot of tennis racket concerts. You know, put on
the Kiss makeup and find anybody who would watch you,
and you just pretend to play guitar on the tennis racket.
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Except I went farther with it. I'd like, actually cut
out cardboard and you know, stapled it to my tennis
racket and actually turned it into a guitar too fun.
I even used fishing line for strings. And then I
think I probably got my first guitar when I was
(28:57):
in the sixth grade, but didn't. I probably start playing
in the sixth grade, but you know, I didn't. I
think my first band we played the Talent Show when
I was in the eighth grade.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So so did you did you listen to a lot
of Kiss albums and try to play the solos just
listening to the albums?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean you know, when you when you
learn how to actually play, Yeah, but that took a
few years, but you know, then you just learn to
pick things out and play by ear. You know, I've
never read music either, or or even tabbed for that matter,
which apparently is way easier. Yeah, I just I just
play by ear. But yeah, it's just this is huge, guys.
(29:52):
I don't I don't, I mean, I get it. I
mean probably for you guys a little older. I mean,
my best friend's tenure older than me, and he Kiss
really didn't mean anything to him. But even he he's like,
oh my god, he's really I mean, he understood the
impact of it, like and he's always said, he goes, yeah,
(30:15):
I mean, I'd be the biggest Kiss fan. But when
when he starts playing, you start paying attention, you know,
and it yeah, that's that thing. And you know, I
haven't had a friend of mine in Cleveland. I saw
him post he goes, you know, the day stared he said, hey,
check in on your Kiss fan friends. To that, you know,
(30:38):
it's like it's it may not be that big a
deal to you, but trust me, they're having a hard time,
you know. And I got the news and I put
my phone down and I just didn't want to keep
seeing get it over and over. He's fairly that, you know,
(31:02):
I put my phone down. When I came back to it,
there's at least fifteen texts from people, some people I
hadn't heard from in a few years. All Right, all right,
really sorry man, you know you know or you're the
first thing I thought of, you know, like you know, like,
(31:23):
oh my god, this is gonna really bug Todd.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You know, I think I think our listeners knew. I
think they every one of them thought of you first thing.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's just goes that's every every text I got. It's like,
oh gosh, you're the first person I thought of. It's
just so you know, it's just like John five. I
don't know if you know who. He is, a crazy
great guitar players. He's in Motley Crue. Now. He was
just saying, is you know, A Kiss had been a
(31:58):
part of our lives, our whole lives, and there's just
something different about I mean, Kiss fans are the best
I can put it is we're like trekkies.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, it's like we get that it's not all good.
We get that some of the ass they took is embarrassing.
We get that this album isn't as good as you know,
some of us do. Some of us, you know, some
of us refuse to admit that anything's bad. But it
(32:32):
doesn't matter, you know it It's you're a Kiss fan.
You accept it all and you're along for the ride.
And there's there's probably way more people that started out
on that ride when they were my age, when I
got into them, and are still there today than the
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ones who fell by the wayside, the ones that or
fell off and came back later, well wandered off and
you know Van halen Land and went down that whole
eighties road, and then later they found themselves coming back
to Kiss and yeah, it's the same for years. It's
(33:14):
it's this day was gonna you know, it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Was none of us, None of us are getting out
here alive, dude, right, but you know it's cool that
they got to finish their last tour.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And uh so how many how many times have you
had you seen either Kiss or Ace in concert?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, unfortunately, I'm like you lucky. Well wait, Curtsey, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
No, I didn't see him, but I know you did.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Todd, I never got to see him in the seventies.
And what's crazy is that, you know I looked back
years later. Wait a minute, man, I had a teenage
brother and I lived in Dayton, Ohio, and U the
arena was a couple of miles away. Why didn't you
take me to say kiss? And then Ace almost a
(34:07):
na almost dies on the same day as my brother,
I mean my cat did. Oh yeah, Ace and my cat,
you know, and then on the anniversary of my brother's passing. Lord.
Not a good week already, but it has been. I
(34:29):
It's just there's so much. I mean, I saw I
saw the first time I saw Kiss with Ace. I'd
seen Ace a few times solo. The first time I
saw that was the when they came to Seattle on
the reunion tour in nineties. I guess it would have
(34:50):
been ninety seven by the time the tour here. I
saw Portland, Oregon and Seattle and I catching up. And
that's again just testament to what I'm saying. I gid
you not. I've never seen so many grown men crying
out of just sheer I'm watching Kiss. You know, it
(35:15):
had that effect on you know, like I said, we're trekkies.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
It's it's that kind of thing where you know, I mean, Todd,
imagine you got to see Elvis, you know, I mean, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Didn't what, No, I never got seen in personal Oh
I think you said you did us.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
No, you know, I just imagine. Yeah, it's like you're
seeing Elvis and I mean, yeah, I never I seriously said,
groom men tearing up like I can't believe I'm seeing
it's a kiss, It's it's the four of them. So yeah,
I saw him several times with Jason Peter, but after
(36:01):
ittionied Peter, I didn't see him, you know, after they
left again in like two thousand and two thousand and one,
I think it was two thousand, it was two thousand.
After that, I didn't see them again until I saw
them twice on the the end of the road tour.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, so the final and now, did we just have
a scare with Peter or with Gene Simmons do a
car crash or something?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well, yeah, he but you know apparently that was I mean,
but yeah, he or something. Well, this is the other
thing about kiss and is that you never really know
what's the truth, you know what I mean, something in
(36:51):
my gut tells me Gene was driving down the road,
he was doing business, talking on the phone, and hit
a parked car. But the word was that he was
on some sort of medication that dehydrated him and he
passed out and he had a part the car. But
you know, a few days later he was officiating one
(37:13):
of the guys in the Anthrax, one of that Charlie Bnonte,
he was officiating his wedding. So you know, he's okay. Yeah,
And I saw pictures today if Jean and Paul at
the airport heading back to New York phrase his funerals.
So so he's okay. But god, yeah, imagine if that
would have happened. Oh gosh, because it's gonna be huge,
(37:38):
no matter. I've been, like I said, I've been seeing
for years, you need one. When a member of the
original Kiss or Cheap Trick goes, it's going to be
devastating for me. You know, it has been, it's been.
You know, I realized I didn't know the guy. You know,
I realized that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
But I remember the first time I heard his voice,
I thought, that voice does not fit that man.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Have you guys ever seen the Tom Snyder Show?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, where was cackling?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Oh where he's just came in hammered. I mean, Gene
and Paul were like, Okay, we're going to do the
Tom Snyder Show. It's this is going to be serious Steel.
We're going to talk about the future of the band.
We're going to you know, let him know that we're
a real rock band. And he comes in drunk and it's.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Just lapping his ass off the whole time and Tom.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Tom's looking at he says, uniform. He's going, so this uniform,
this is like your persona, this is you know, you're
like a spaceman. And he's like, well, actually I'm a plumber. Yeah,
and then Tom goes. Then Tom goes, oh, really, well,
I got a piece of pipe backstage. I'd like you
to work on and tell me about it. Gene and
(38:55):
Paul are just pissed.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You can tell they were rolling their eyes over there.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
They were pissed because they wanted to, you know, show
the world that you know, we're serious and we're in
here's Ace just cackling and yeah. But that's you know,
I kind of was thinking about what we were talking
about Curtis about, you know, Gene and Paulpi and the
rock stars and cases. I got to take that back.
(39:22):
Ace was the rock star. He was the Gene may
have been having all the sex, but Ace was you know,
I'm sure he's want to share that too, but he
was the drugs and rock and roll guy. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
He was just so quiet. You know, we were talking about
that from outside of the band. Now he was. He
was loud and big on stage, but off stage you
just never heard about him, right, He just he just
didn't do the interviews. He didn't put himself out there.
He didn't you know, he was just kind of kind
of he was okay to be in the background.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yeah, because he was too busy getting loaded in wrecking cars. Yeah.
I don't know if you know, if like the cover of
Hotter than Hell, which is only their second album, Ace,
you can't tell, but the right side of Ace's face
(40:26):
is super just a reverse mirror of the left side
of his face because Ace they were in La recording it,
and Ace had rented a car and he kept going
down this steep hill, you know, faster and faster until
finally he plowed into a pole and busted up, you know,
(40:49):
side of his face and he couldn't wear makeup on
that side of the face, and they had to do
a photo shoot. So you know, here's Ace with there's
pictures of it. You know, if Ace would just make up,
you know, on this side of his face and on
this side, and so they just did a you know,
a mirror image and flipped it so it looks like
he has on both sides too funny, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And I always thought it was weird that they did
their own makeup.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I actually have thought that many times too.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I mean, it's not like you can't afford to our
makeup lot.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I mean in the early days, I get it, but
it would seem that well, that is why Peter Chris
looks so different on the first album cover is because
they for the showed up for the photo shoot and
the guy, well, first of all, the guy brought balloons
and all this stuff, and he's like, I get it,
your clowns. Like, we're not clowns. This's is We're serious
(41:45):
about this. But they brought in a makeup artist to
put on their makeup, and they were like, no, we
do it ourselves. And Peter was like, I'll do it,
you know, go ahead and do mine. So that's why
Peter's makeup looks completely different than any other time you
ever saw it, huh, just because he had somebody else
do it. But I always be honest with you, I
(42:07):
found that kind of interesting too, that they could have
just hired somebody and they certainly would have got a
little bit more rest as a band. You know, just
like I'm gonna lay here for forty five minutes and
let you put this, you know, take a nap while
you put this on my face. But they always insisted
(42:29):
doing themselves.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Maybe it helped them get into character or something.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
They probably I'm sure it did, you know, I'm sure
it did. I mean there's definitely times where you you
see pictures and go, oh, yeah, Paul wasn't quite as
accurate that night making the Star or you know, Ace
has always looked pretty solid, though jeans changed a lot,
but Ace has always looked pretty solid, you know, for
(42:54):
a guy that always had a bottle of wine in
his hand. I'm surprised, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But you know, when I when I saw him in
seventy six, of course they were in makeup. And I
saw him in ninety six and they were back in makeup,
and I'm really glad that they put their makeup back on,
because it just didn't seem right when they took their
makeup off for that however long they did.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
It was a huge deal. I remember I missed. I
missed it because I was I was in the recording
studio that night. But I immediately when I got home
from the studio, there was this is back because this
is back in ninety six, so I didn't have a
(43:35):
cell phone. Did you see it? Did you see it?
You see it? Kiss walked down on the Grammys. It
was the four of them and I was like what
I missed?
Speaker 5 (43:43):
What?
Speaker 3 (43:44):
And yeah? And then after that it was like the
news just sweat spread and then they're going back on
the road, the original four and that was just huge, yeah, huge, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I mean so in seventy six Jane blew fire twice
and in ninety six he only did it once. And
I was in the d I was in the damn
bathroom and I heard the crowd go up because I
had to go. I just you know, had so many
beers or whatever. I can't hold it. I gotta go.
So I'm going to run in because you know, you're
(44:19):
always waiting for Gene, and I can't heard a standard
to yournal When I hear the crowd go forget like
some of the gun. He did it, damn it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
So so I'm going to be a total tricky here. Okay,
are you absolutely positive about that? Because I've never known
Gene Simmons to blow the fire twice in one show.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I always thought he did.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I mean, I have never ever seen any evidence that
Gene has blown fire twice in one show, really, I mean,
unless he did it twice at one time.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, I think I've seen him do that where he
blows it and then immediately blows it again.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, yeah right, but not because yeah, you're probably right
heard the six songs later did it again?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, because it's it's for a particular song, isn't it.
They only do it right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know,
you're probably right. He probably didn't do it two different times.
And then at one point did he stop doing the blood?
Speaker 3 (45:20):
He stopped doing the blood in the non makeup years.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Oh, so did he do it back?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I mean he he did the blood from the very beginning,
all the way till the makeup came off. He continued
to breathe fire when the makeup came off, but he
didn't do the blood. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Where where did you see him in ninety six at
the Myriad?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, it was one of those down you know, of course,
the first time was at Lloyd Noble and that's not
a very big placed.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, that would have been that would have been wild
to see kiss in the seventies in the Low with Noble.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
It was, and it was my first concert. I had
no idea what to expect here.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I have a year, I have a buddy who again
I was still saying this on Facebook. But the amount
of friends that I have in my life, long lifelong
friends that I've had for thirty forty years so I'm
fifty now, that came into my life because of kiss
(46:29):
is crazy. I mean, I I'm sure I have more
friends that have come into my life because of kiss,
or that I turned into kiss fans. You know, you
gotta listen to kiss. You gotta listen to kiss. I mean,
that was my thing when I when I moved to
Oregon into fourth grade. One of the first things I
(46:51):
say is and by like kiss, because I was already
into it, you know, is that you know, it hadn't
even been a year yet, but I was like, like kiss.
I like kiss, and I had to work on him,
you know. And then I remember me and my buddy
when we decided we were going to be a band,
you know, and I heard this walk to the store.
(47:15):
Was me and my buddy Kevin. It was always me
and my buddy Kevin who were going to be in
a band together. And we eventually did, you know. But
there was a series of other friends who were going
to be in the band that you know, kind of
came and went, you know, until the band actually did start.
There was always there was a couple of years of
talking about being in a band in tennis racket concerts
(47:38):
and you know, and I remember walking to the store
and Kevin and I decided that our band was going
to wear makeup, like kiss. You know, we're not even
you know, we're probably nine years old at this point. Yeah,
And we had our buddy Tim walking with us, and
Tim Woolley in, uh, Tim, we've decided we're gonna wear makeup.
(48:03):
You know what, why are we gonna wear makeup? And
and I remember Kevin going, well, you know, because you know,
we don't want you do get tacked by all the girls.
And you know, we're nine years old. We don't want
to get tacked by all the girls. You know, we
ripping our clothes off and all that stuff and Tim,
(48:23):
and Tim stopped his track and he's like he's nine
years old too. He's like, I want girls to rip
my clothes. I was like, well, okay, Tim's not the
band because he won't wear a makeup. Of course we
never did, but that and then it became like in
the sixth grade, we were going to because our our
(48:46):
elementary school had a really cool stage in the gymnasium,
and so it was my idea that by the end
of our sixth grade year, we need to put on
the Kiss concert in the gym. But my idea was,
(49:06):
you know, because I knew we didn't know how to play,
is that we're going to do an air an air band,
get a concert. You know, we're just going to put
on a live or live too, and we're gonna and
we're gonna. But I remember talking to Kevin about it
at one point and I'm talking about, we need to
get working on this thing, you know, I mean, I
(49:29):
realized we're not going to actually play, but you know,
we still need to work on it. And Kevin looks
at me, goes, what do you mean we're not going
to play we don't know how to play. Well, yeah,
we need to work on that. So that never happened.
But it's just those kind of great memories that go
with Kiss and I beg there's just tons of them
(49:51):
of you know, Mike mccreedy from Pearl Jam, I bet
you he has the exact same story, you know, sitting
in the living room when the parents gone, and you know,
Kevin be sitting on the couch and he'd be playing
air drums. I'd be standing in front of him with
my tennis racket and I was Ace and he was Peter.
And if it was time for the Ace guitar solo,
Kevin would go make a glass of tang and I
would stick their do solo, vice versa. It's just it's
(50:17):
a huge part of our lives, you know. It's you know,
I felt that when Krrie Fisher died too, you know,
I mean, it's Star Wars. It's it's those things that
just grabbed you when you're a kid.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
But it's just kind of the end of an era.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
It's it's yeah, well, I mean it's absolutely not an
end of an era. The original kiss will never It's
not that I expected them to reform. I did, and
I knew it would never happen, but them just to
see the four of them sitting side by side at
the Kinney Center.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Arms been cool. What a bomber? Yes, yes, okay, dude,
Well have fun in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Oh yeah, so that so you you made that.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Oh yeah, we're doing live next week anyway.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yeah, we see, So next week you're going live, and
then the following week I'll still be in hawaiis so
maybe I can talk to you from Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
So we're there from we're there till the seventh. That's
on the twenty ninth, and we're there till the seventh.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
That's not international, now, is it.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Because that dast.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Did you not get it reduced?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
No? I just paid it. Oh that's just great.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, yeah, well we might want to look into it.
I think I talked to you guys last time. Didn't
they from Hawaii?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, well, we'll check into it.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
I don't know. But it's the United States, so I
don't see where it was.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, it seems like it would be less than some
other countries.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I don't know why it cost anymore at all, not
today's age. But anyway, I know.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I know, I remember when I first got a cell phone.
I remember that first bill was like six hundred some dollars,
because you know, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to
go over a certain amount of yeah ouch yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Okay, dude, Well we know you needed to get that
out and we appreciate you coming on and talking about
as tel KP.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
We said, I I will, I will curse.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Hope you feel better, man, Yeah, I'll get there. He'll
be all right, I'll be all right, You'll be okay, dude,
we're gonna get the Let go appreciate you. Bye, I'll
talk to you, Okay, everybody, you guys will let us
know if if you were a big I forgot to
(52:58):
ask him if he was like in the Kiss army.
Let us know if you guys were huge Kiss fans,
and if you weren't like what band or what artists
were you guys? Is there anybody like Kiss that Just
when you guys first saw you, guys were like, oh
my god, you know that's the coolest thing ever. Let
(53:20):
us know who impressed you that much in the seventies
and uh uh call us five eight five four one
three eighth five or buzz buzzedmedia dot com and let
us know, and uh, I guess we're gonna out of here.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
See it's pretty funny explanatory.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
This is part.
Speaker 7 (53:54):
Of a kind of a juice shape.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
This is my utility built, and we don't want to
go any belower than.
Speaker 7 (53:59):
My ice there you because that's reserved for constant. That
I still some flask Gordon, and you know I mightn't,
but you're kind of like a spaceman.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
No, actually, I'm a calmer.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
And you listen, I got a little and you work
on you all sweet talker. But I'll tell you I
right on the sheet that they gave me where they
(54:42):
said it's hard to get the out of your shelves.
Try to cheer down that you wanted to.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Go for a ride in the first spaceship for a
rocket ship or.
Speaker 8 (54:52):
Something like that, if you were frying to Space Shuttle
space Shuttle, that you yes, I would prefer to have
a ride on the first space Shuttle's physically proper. I
was speaking to Pat and I said, you got any
info any.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Said, you can get me take it on that.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
I'd be very interested in that because I'm into a technology.
I think Ace doesn't need anything. I think he can just.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
His own power.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Never I don't let me tell you something about Ace.
Speaker 9 (55:23):
When we were first starting out, we had a milar
front to the bass draw. We would play these clubs
and we're still trying to figure out who is that
we are, what it is that we're trying to put across.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
A h.
Speaker 7 (55:44):
Ultimately wore laughing at himself.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
He liked me about having a lot of time. I'm
having a TAA. It'll get better.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Tell me what he hijacked that whole interview. He hijacked
that whole interview.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Somebody has that food?
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To another exciting episode of the Seventies Buzz Podcast where
Curtis and totter under the web.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
A little bit have been but.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
A little bit. I think I've got the flu, but
it's kind of a weird flu. It's like it's just
chills and sweats.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So maybe the bird flu.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, or it could be the zombie flu. I don't
know what it is, but anyway, you guys hit us
up so I may I'll try not to cough into
the microphone. I don't really have a bad I don't
have a cough. It's just I don't know. You get
that weird feeling that you want to clear your throat
every now and then. So hit us up at five
eight oho five four one three eighth five or buzz
(01:49):
and buzzhead media dat cam. Oh, and I'm sure you
can tell by the title. Uh, we took a left
turn on this episode. Ace threw us a curveball, so
we decided to instead of going HALLOWEENI Christopher Todd wanted
to talk about Ace because Ace was a huge influence
(02:12):
on him and a lot of people. You know, there's
there's those deaths that kind of you just hear it
and then two hours later it's all over. And then
there's the ones that just go on for days and
days and people talking and when did he die? Oh gosh,
I'm not sure what day it. Well, last week, I
(02:32):
believe into last week, so sixteenth. Yeah, So we we
did a kiss episode in two thousand and twenty so
if you want to kind of listen to that one,
you can go back. So this one's this is Ace.
I've been trying to figure out how to say his
(02:53):
name freely Frailey. It's not Freiley, and it's not freely,
it's like freely frely because I watched him he was
doing an interview and they said that, They said, you know,
we've heard two ways to say your name, and he goes, no,
there's actually three.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
There was a.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Freely freely, but the way you're supposed to say it
is freely fre frely.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
What's the where's he from? What's what's his like? He
was the quiet kiss member.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
See, that's what I always thought, but come to find
out he was kind of the comedic more.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm just gonna say quiet. I mean, you didn't hear
a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah. Yeah, Well let's wait and get into that. Let's
get phone calls by the way real quick, and then
we'll get Christopher Todd on the phone. Dave called. Dave called,
he's continuing his streak of seeing a movie a week.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh well, now we're coming into the holidays, so there
should be more to see.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Dave. Question, do you go to the movie alone, or
do you you go, do somebody go with you? I
go along, go nobody go to the movie there. I mean,
I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't mind seeing a movie alone every now and then.
And then he's got some other stuff that'll be over
on Busshead Radio. Gredging called. She gave us a list
of her favorite candy, Halloween candy when she was a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
She mentioned Mary Jeane.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
She's talking about the Mary Jeane, like the married Juanna.
I'm trying to hey, and then she goes into some
creepy old lady's house that she doesn't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, talk about creepy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Could have been like one of these movies I've just
seen there.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, what were Mary Jane's in the seventies?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Candy It's Good to Take You Marijuana.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They're kind of uh classic chewy peanut butter and molasses.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Taffy never heard of him.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know that people
passed those out here in Enid, in our part of
the country. But she did, like Reese's Pieces and some
other other ones. Uh, And they did take pillow cases
when they went trick or treating. And she said they
would decorate them.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh, I never took a pillow case.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh dude, you missed out. Lots of trunk of treats
going on there. And then she said her friend went
to see Sean Cassidy and he kind of was didn't
do so well.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, sound like you saving.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Age age health issues.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He is in his seventies, had to change.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
His shirt and couldn't remember.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Words and sound like he had to flu. He may
have to flu.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I don't know. She tried to watch the roller Coaster
movie from the seventies and bailed on it. I guess
it must be.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, that's what she was talking about. Yeah, I forget
in that movie.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I guess it must be pretty bad. And Dave, no,
I still haven't tried to see Kill the Irishman.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Keep forgetting about that movie? Yeah, I say, we'll be
sitting here talking to me. I should write him down,
because like there's three or four movies want we go see.
And then I go sit down in my chair and
turn TV on. I'm like, oh, what am I going
to watch?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I texted Todd last night and told him that Almost
Famous was on, and then I went ahead and watched
it again.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's on Prime too. You can watch it anytime.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, we may have to do an episode on that.
It's a it's a pretty good, pretty good movie. I mean,
and it's sat in seventy three, seventy four. So and
then Gretchen forgot to hang up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Gretchen, you did pull a Steve.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
She went on for several minutes of singing coldplay that
we had to sit here and listen to.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We didn't have to, but we was funny.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But we did. And out of kindness, we will not
play it publicly to all our listeners unless you do,
unless you do something like oppose our caramel comments stuff
like that. Jeffrey emailed, Hi Jeffrey. So he actually emailed
(07:18):
last week, but I think I missed his email by
the time I left to go do the show. But
he says, hello, Jeffrey here. Yesterday I went to the
doctor to get this is last week. I went to
the doctor to get my blood drawn and I fainted
and lost consciousness for twenty minutes. Afterwards, I had a
short term amnesia. It was really scary to not know
(07:42):
who I was, where I was, and what I was
doing or not doing. My doctor said it was because
of a mixture of stress. I may trypanophobe.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wow, never heard of such thing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Low blood sugar and heart palpitations. I hope that will
ever happened in my lifetime. Again, how were hospitals home
doctors during the seventies?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Were they much it's a fear of needles.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh, I learned that I do not have a fear
of needles. I could care less about needles. They could
poke me all they want. Were hospitals different from the
eighties nineties now?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Oh? Yeah? I mean when my son was born in
nineteen eighty, had dash trays in the in the rooms.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I mean, and they were yeah, I mean just
more open. You just walk in and I don't know,
it's kind of like you know now they're security and yeah,
I don't know how. Yeah, they were definitely different. But
as a kid in the seventies, because my dad was
Air Force, I got to go out to the base hospital.
(08:51):
So when I had something wrong, my mom would take
me out to the base. And then this week emailed
he says, here, I'm doing better. I hope all doing too.
Only a few more months and it's Christmas. Oh my,
what a week, Curtis. Did you read my other email?
I just did. Oh, my neighbor's daughter got a good
(09:14):
idea for Halloween costume disco disco girl. I told her
they would be groovy. I think I will send a
couple newsletters new letters next week, completely black letters. Probably.
That'll be cool for kind of that hall lloweeny feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, speaking of Christmas, there's like nine fridays until Christmas. Yeah, yeah,
Kip said that the other night, and I'm like, oh no,
and I started counting. Yeah, November, yeah, yeah, it is, Yeah,
that is. It's not on Friday, but it's I think
it's on Thursday this year.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's pretty crazy. Yeah, the yeah, this year has flew.
They're off flying, they're all flying.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
By, not like but they didn't in the seventies though,
what And I read.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Something the other day that talked about why that does
that and I can't And there's a reason that young
people perceived time as being slower and older people perceive
it as being going quicker. And I can't remember what
the explanation was, but I might have to look that up.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
For next week.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay, let's give christ for Todd a call here in
a minute.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But so.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Now, Kiss was like the hugest band in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh absolutely, And they.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Had tons of albums in the eighties and nineties and
on and on and solos and stuff. But you couldn't
get any more better best then Kiss in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And why is that, mister Weedlaw, because that was the
greatest dayloadsman.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm a little if I'm a little discombobulated.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, we totally forgot last week.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
No, go back and listen. It's on there.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Oh did you stick it in there?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Did you make it obvious?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You you mentioned something about poop. Oh listen, Yeah, you
have to go listen. You you made a comment about pizza. Yeah,
and I found one that said that was talking about pizza.
Oh really, so it fit perfect.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Nobody's even Yeah, it's good. Were ready to call.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
We'll see if anybody gets that, if they know what
we're even talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Loud? That was loud. Where are you Christopher Todd?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Guys, there is.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Feeling, Curtis.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm hanging in there. I'm doped up on ibuprofen right now,
so I'm okay till the chills, chills in the sweat
start again.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I was trying to tell him he needs to take
some niquall to mite. That stuff works for me. Oh
where'd you go?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Hang on, everybody, what do we do last week? I
can't remember, though. There you are.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, for some reason, you went quiet. I think I
think it's my phone connection anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, I tried to look up because you've heard. I've
heard people say I had a touch of the flu,
and I I feel like I've got like a touch
of the flu. I don't feel like I have like
the full blown flu. Like when I get the full
blown flu. I like don't even want to get out
of bed. I'm like achey, And really all I've got
is like chills and sweats.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Sunday night, I couldn't get warm enough, and then I
get in bed and I warmed right up. And then
by morning I'm sweating and pulling taking clothes off.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I hate that, waking up in sweaty sheets.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's so weird.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Sick, sick. I'm going to Hawaii on Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Are you really? You dog?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Again?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You dog? Has it been? How wins is it? And
hadn't been a year? Has it?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It'll be exactly a year when we go.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Wow, I do believe these years are flying again.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Wow, it's fun being there at Halloween. I'm expecting to
see a lot of Ace Frehley this year.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
There you go, Freley.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
He called him Freeley. We were just talking about that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The correct Ace has said it freely, but you know
people will say freely. But I mean, I'm sitting here
listening to an Eddie Trunk podcast with all these musicians
talking about how much they love Ace, and half of
them are saying Freiley and half of them are saying Freely.
So I always called him freely, but yeah, I think
(14:01):
it's it's it's Frayley. That's I mean, he even says
it himself.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah. He did an interview and he said, there's Frayley,
Freiley and Freely, and I.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Guess I guess he was. I guess he was. Eddie
said that he was. He was impressed because Trump got
his name right. He said, he said, he you pronounced
my name right. That is. I don't know if you
guys knew. But kisses doing the they doing. They got
(14:42):
chosen for the Kennedy Center Honors this year.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And it would have been the first time since the
Rock and A Hall of Fame and I think thirteen
that the four of them have been together. But no,
that'll never happen. That's so sad. Yeah, I don't really
he like fell, that's so he Yeah, not like any
(15:07):
trunk was in here. You know. It's hey, it's ironic,
and you know Ates would have laughed at it himself
because he had that sense of humor. Is that this
whole thing? I mean, if you go back to Kiss Alive,
he's talking about how the gravity here is not the
same on my planet. And he's you know, had songs
called trouble Walking, and he's notorious for falling down on
(15:30):
stage because his balance is so bad. Yeah, he and
then he ends up. Yeah, he fell down the stairs
at his house and taken to the hospital. Apparently he
was fine. They told him to go home, rest, stay down.
(15:51):
He got up, tried to walk down the stairs again
when he fell again down the stairs, and that's after
that he was never conscious again. He So he tried.
I was just saying, yeah, he had, and.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
So was.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Jean and Paul apparently and Peter and other members that
have come in and out of Kiss. They've been aware
for two weeks that Australia's gone, but it was just
a matter of when the family made the sense.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, that's just.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I gotta tell you, guys, I may get emotional. This is,
hands down, for me, the biggest loss and music.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, I was just telling talk for me. Yeah, there's
some musicians that die and it's just like four hours
worth of talking about it. And then there's some that
just like Ace, I mean, tribute after tribute.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And people you know, I mean, you know how many
guitar players are out there, whether it be at my level,
the kind of you just do your own thing and
then you go to your day job. Are the ones
that are touring the world and had major careers that
(17:17):
say I started playing guitar because of Israeli. It's it's huge.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I was gonna say, I've seen a ton of them.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's just the biggest thing you can equate it to.
Is As far as mass appeal to the world, I
don't think it's it's the Beatles and its Kiss. There's
(17:53):
and Elvis, but there's people from all walks of life
that love kiss. It's not just this niche, this niche,
it's not. It's it's wide spread and it's shown you
and it's been proven by I had a friend to
(18:17):
me he goes. I've never seen anybody Ozzie Tom Petty
ed even haling anybody that's getting this much social media,
you know, praise, Yeah, and can you know how they
feel this loss?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
And it's just they're just unlike anybody else. I mean,
created something that will never be topped, and if anybody
tries to top it, they're just going to be compared
to Kiss.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, they hit just at the right time. I think
they was like a swim spot or a perfect storm
or something that you know. As you were sitting here
talking about that, I got to thinking when Mark and
I decided that we wanted to start a band, because
we saw him in seventy six and those right about
(19:17):
the time, I mean we started listening to him in
seventy three or seventy four and seventy four. Yeah, and
I was like, you know what, I bet I didn't
realize it, but I bet that had a really big
input or influence on Mark and I starting.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I'm sure it didn't. I mean, I you know, little
kid in Ohile I was, I was eight years old,
just turned it kind of a few months ago, and
I wanted to be nothing but evil and evil that's
(19:55):
all I read I think at one point I wanted
to be a cowboy and I to be Evil Canevil,
and I was grounded. I remember that it was hollow.
It was a I don't really I want to say
October twenty ninth, nineteen seventy six. I think that's the
air date I'm grounded. But my parents say, come on out,
(20:19):
you can sit and watch this TV show with this.
So I'm sitting on the floor, my parents are on
the couch or watching the paul In Halloween spec and
Kiss comes on, and I kid you not, from that
moment on, I didn't care about Evil Canievel. I didn't
(20:40):
care about anything else. I wanted to be, you know,
I wanted to do that. Yeah, and I immediately keyed
in on ace it. It's just I turned to my
parents and go, can I have a Kiss record for Christmas?
And I remember my dad, you know, being stern like
we'll see you know, my mom going, oh, dear God,
(21:04):
well what's going on here? You know? And you know,
then my dad just you know, a few weeks later
got killed. And so for Christmas, you know, of course,
mom just said make a list. I'm going to go
get you whatever you want. You know, you know she did.
(21:25):
She didn't want to have to think about what to
get kids. Make me a list, and I still have
that Christmas list. My sister wrote it out for me,
but I still have it. And I don't want to
kiss records. So I don't know why she chose kiss
Alive one, you know, because at that point they would
(21:45):
have had four studios. I think Destroyer was out rocking
all over Haaving came out just oh I know I had,
So I don't know why she chose Kiss Alive. But man,
what what an excellent record to have. That's your first record.
I mean, I still listen to that record and then
(22:07):
just I just listened to the whole thing yesterday. It's
just it just it still gets me exactly like I
did with another kid, and I was thinking about it.
You know, I'm kind of proud that I nobody told
me I need to listen to kiss. Nobody told me, I,
(22:31):
you know, you got to check out this band. You
gotta do. I saw them, I heard them, and it
changed everything for me, and I did it on my own,
you know. But yeah, for that Christmas Mom got me
Kiss Alive. But but the the relatives all knowing that
(22:51):
I loved Eva Knevil all got me four of those
wind up Actually I'm looking at one right stuff, Like, yeah,
I have one of them right here that my buddy
bought me a few years ago. It's a it's a
newer one, but it looks exactly insane. It's those wind
up things. Like four different relatives bought me four of those,
(23:14):
and well, actually they bought me three of those, and
one of them gave me a smaller evil, a little
action figure, and so I I I painted him to
look like Kiss, how funny and how funny, and I
made little guitars for him, and I made a drum
(23:36):
set out of like toilet paper rolls, and then I
put the little evil knievel behind the drunes because he
was in the back, so he's farther away, so he's smaller.
And I got a black light for Christmas as well,
because that was on my list. And I would literally
(23:56):
just sit in my room and put on Kiss a lot.
I've I just sit there and stare at my Kiss,
and yeah, I just sit there and stare at it.
And it was a huge escape from all the pain
that was going on in my house, you know, because
(24:17):
my dad had just passed and it was total escapism.
And and you know what's awesome about that is that's
what Kiss was the whole thing. You were never going
to go to a Kiss concert and hear them talk politics.
You know, we don't talk politics. We blow ship up
(24:39):
and play rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And breathe fire and yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And it just had that same effect on kids my
age across the world. And that's why, I mean, it's
like there Beatle proportion as far as influence on I mean,
there's what made you start music? I saw the Beatles
on that Tellivision what what what made you start music?
(25:07):
I saw Kiss on the Halloween Special or the Midnight
Special or Don Chrisher's rock concert. They they that was
their changing moment. It's the Beatles and Kiss It. There's
so many like that, and Ace was just huge for
(25:27):
me like that. It's just I mean, do you guys know,
have you ever heard the story of Ace auditioning for Kiss.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I I read a little bit about it, but not
all of it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't think I had.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
So Jean and Paul started the band. They were actually
in a band called Wicked Lasted, and they split that
band up because they said now that this is not
what we want to do, so they you know, and
then they found Peter. And so the three of them
had been rehearsing for a few months and they had
this and this thing down, but they knew they needed
a lead guitar player, and so they were holding auditions
and and the Ace answered the ad and Ace walks
(26:10):
in while another guitar player's actually playing with them already.
He walks in and apparently he's got on like one
orange sneaker and one red one and he's kind of
stumbling around. He just walks up, plugs in his amp,
starts playing while they're still playing with this guy he's
(26:31):
over there warming up, you know, and they're like, you know,
Jeane walks up and goes, hey, man, you know we're
in the middle of this. Why don't you know shut
the f up and wait your turn, and and you know,
Paul's like, this guy better be get you know, and
Paul says it. They showed him the chords, this is
(26:54):
the song going to play. We'll point to you when
it's time for the guitar soul and you and Paul said,
as soon as he heard him, he was like that
that's our boy. That's him, and he just had that style.
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Guess he couldn't even read music or no, no, no,
he said he was he never took a lesson, that's
what he said.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well, and I think he did say he couldn't read music.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Really yeah. Well, you know, I think you find a
lot of Joe Perry doesn't read mu I think there's
I think I think that's very common that these really
badass guys that play from the gut, play from their heart,
they're the ones that don't read music, you know what
I mean. Like, you know, Eddie van Haalen read music
(27:42):
because he was a trained piano player. You know, he
grew up in that world. So yeah, he probably he
probably knew a lot about you know. Actually Eddie didn't
read music either, that's right, that's right. He just learned
from watching someone play. He would learn and look and go, okay,
I got it, you know, and then he would just
remember how it goes, that's right. So most of these
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guys can't. So, I mean it's very common in rock
and roll that they don't know how to read music.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
At what age did you start playing guitar?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
So there was that, I mean I was eight and
I knew I wanted to play guitar, and there was
a lot of tennis racket concerts. You know, put on
the Kiss makeup and find anybody who would watch you,
and you just pretend to play guitar on the tennis racket.
(28:35):
Except I went farther with it. I'd like, actually cut
out cardboard and you know, stapled it to my tennis
racket and actually turned it into a guitar too fun.
I even used fishing line for strings. And then I
think I probably got my first guitar when I was
(28:57):
in the sixth grade, but didn't. I probably start playing
in the sixth grade, but you know, I didn't. I
think my first band we played the Talent Show when
I was in the eighth grade.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So so did you did you listen to a lot
of Kiss albums and try to play the solos just
listening to the albums?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean you know, when you when you
learn how to actually play, Yeah, but that took a
few years, but you know, then you just learn to
pick things out and play by ear. You know, I've
never read music either, or or even tabbed for that matter,
which apparently is way easier. Yeah, I just I just
play by ear. But yeah, it's just this is huge, guys.
(29:52):
I don't I don't, I mean, I get it. I
mean probably for you guys a little older. I mean,
my best friend's tenure older than me, and he Kiss
really didn't mean anything to him. But even he he's like,
oh my god, he's really I mean, he understood the
impact of it, like and he's always said, he goes, yeah,
(30:15):
I mean, I'd be the biggest Kiss fan. But when
when he starts playing, you start paying attention, you know,
and it yeah, that's that thing. And you know, I
haven't had a friend of mine in Cleveland. I saw
him post he goes, you know, the day stared he said, hey,
check in on your Kiss fan friends. To that, you know,
(30:38):
it's like it's it may not be that big a
deal to you, but trust me, they're having a hard time,
you know. And I got the news and I put
my phone down and I just didn't want to keep
seeing get it over and over. He's fairly that, you know,
(31:02):
I put my phone down. When I came back to it,
there's at least fifteen texts from people, some people I
hadn't heard from in a few years. All Right, all right,
really sorry man, you know you know or you're the
first thing I thought of, you know, like you know, like,
(31:23):
oh my god, this is gonna really bug Todd.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You know, I think I think our listeners knew. I
think they every one of them thought of you first thing.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's just goes that's every every text I got. It's like,
oh gosh, you're the first person I thought of. It's
just so you know, it's just like John five. I
don't know if you know who. He is, a crazy
great guitar players. He's in Motley Crue. Now. He was
just saying, is you know, A Kiss had been a
(31:58):
part of our lives, our whole lives, and there's just
something different about I mean, Kiss fans are the best
I can put it is we're like trekkies.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, it's like we get that it's not all good.
We get that some of the ass they took is embarrassing.
We get that this album isn't as good as you know,
some of us do. Some of us, you know, some
of us refuse to admit that anything's bad. But it
(32:32):
doesn't matter, you know it It's you're a Kiss fan.
You accept it all and you're along for the ride.
And there's there's probably way more people that started out
on that ride when they were my age, when I
got into them, and are still there today than the
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ones who fell by the wayside, the ones that or
fell off and came back later, well wandered off and
you know Van halen Land and went down that whole
eighties road, and then later they found themselves coming back
to Kiss and yeah, it's the same for years. It's
(33:14):
it's this day was gonna you know, it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Was none of us, None of us are getting out
here alive, dude, right, but you know it's cool that
they got to finish their last tour.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And uh so how many how many times have you
had you seen either Kiss or Ace in concert?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, unfortunately, I'm like you lucky. Well wait, Curtsey, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
No, I didn't see him, but I know you did.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Todd, I never got to see him in the seventies.
And what's crazy is that, you know I looked back
years later. Wait a minute, man, I had a teenage
brother and I lived in Dayton, Ohio, and U the
arena was a couple of miles away. Why didn't you
take me to say kiss? And then Ace almost a
(34:07):
na almost dies on the same day as my brother,
I mean my cat did. Oh yeah, Ace and my cat,
you know, and then on the anniversary of my brother's passing. Lord.
Not a good week already, but it has been. I
(34:29):
It's just there's so much. I mean, I saw I
saw the first time I saw Kiss with Ace. I'd
seen Ace a few times solo. The first time I
saw that was the when they came to Seattle on
the reunion tour in nineties. I guess it would have
(34:50):
been ninety seven by the time the tour here. I
saw Portland, Oregon and Seattle and I catching up. And
that's again just testament to what I'm saying. I gid
you not. I've never seen so many grown men crying
out of just sheer I'm watching Kiss. You know, it
(35:15):
had that effect on you know, like I said, we're trekkies.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
It's it's that kind of thing where you know, I mean, Todd,
imagine you got to see Elvis, you know, I mean, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Didn't what, No, I never got seen in personal Oh
I think you said you did us.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
No, you know, I just imagine. Yeah, it's like you're
seeing Elvis and I mean, yeah, I never I seriously said,
groom men tearing up like I can't believe I'm seeing
it's a kiss, It's it's the four of them. So yeah,
I saw him several times with Jason Peter, but after
(36:01):
ittionied Peter, I didn't see him, you know, after they
left again in like two thousand and two thousand and one,
I think it was two thousand, it was two thousand.
After that, I didn't see them again until I saw
them twice on the the end of the road tour.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, so the final and now, did we just have
a scare with Peter or with Gene Simmons do a
car crash or something?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well, yeah, he but you know apparently that was I mean,
but yeah, he or something. Well, this is the other
thing about kiss and is that you never really know
what's the truth, you know what I mean, something in
(36:51):
my gut tells me Gene was driving down the road,
he was doing business, talking on the phone, and hit
a parked car. But the word was that he was
on some sort of medication that dehydrated him and he
passed out and he had a part the car. But
you know, a few days later he was officiating one
(37:13):
of the guys in the Anthrax, one of that Charlie Bnonte,
he was officiating his wedding. So you know, he's okay. Yeah,
And I saw pictures today if Jean and Paul at
the airport heading back to New York phrase his funerals.
So so he's okay. But god, yeah, imagine if that
would have happened. Oh gosh, because it's gonna be huge,
(37:38):
no matter. I've been, like I said, I've been seeing
for years, you need one. When a member of the
original Kiss or Cheap Trick goes, it's going to be
devastating for me. You know, it has been, it's been.
You know, I realized I didn't know the guy. You know,
I realized that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
But I remember the first time I heard his voice,
I thought, that voice does not fit that man.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Have you guys ever seen the Tom Snyder Show?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, where was cackling?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Oh where he's just came in hammered. I mean, Gene
and Paul were like, Okay, we're going to do the
Tom Snyder Show. It's this is going to be serious Steel.
We're going to talk about the future of the band.
We're going to you know, let him know that we're
a real rock band. And he comes in drunk and it's.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Just lapping his ass off the whole time and Tom.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Tom's looking at he says, uniform. He's going, so this uniform,
this is like your persona, this is you know, you're
like a spaceman. And he's like, well, actually I'm a plumber. Yeah,
and then Tom goes. Then Tom goes, oh, really, well,
I got a piece of pipe backstage. I'd like you
to work on and tell me about it. Gene and
(38:55):
Paul are just pissed.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You can tell they were rolling their eyes over there.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
They were pissed because they wanted to, you know, show
the world that you know, we're serious and we're in
here's Ace just cackling and yeah. But that's you know,
I kind of was thinking about what we were talking
about Curtis about, you know, Gene and Paulpi and the
rock stars and cases. I got to take that back.
(39:22):
Ace was the rock star. He was the Gene may
have been having all the sex, but Ace was you know,
I'm sure he's want to share that too, but he
was the drugs and rock and roll guy. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
He was just so quiet. You know, we were talking about
that from outside of the band. Now he was. He
was loud and big on stage, but off stage you
just never heard about him, right, He just he just
didn't do the interviews. He didn't put himself out there.
He didn't you know, he was just kind of kind
of he was okay to be in the background.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yeah, because he was too busy getting loaded in wrecking cars. Yeah.
I don't know if you know, if like the cover of
Hotter than Hell, which is only their second album, Ace,
you can't tell, but the right side of Ace's face
(40:26):
is super just a reverse mirror of the left side
of his face because Ace they were in La recording it,
and Ace had rented a car and he kept going
down this steep hill, you know, faster and faster until
finally he plowed into a pole and busted up, you know,
(40:49):
side of his face and he couldn't wear makeup on
that side of the face, and they had to do
a photo shoot. So you know, here's Ace with there's
pictures of it. You know, if Ace would just make up,
you know, on this side of his face and on
this side, and so they just did a you know,
a mirror image and flipped it so it looks like
he has on both sides too funny, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And I always thought it was weird that they did
their own makeup.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I actually have thought that many times too.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I mean, it's not like you can't afford to our
makeup lot.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I mean in the early days, I get it, but
it would seem that well, that is why Peter Chris
looks so different on the first album cover is because
they for the showed up for the photo shoot and
the guy, well, first of all, the guy brought balloons
and all this stuff, and he's like, I get it,
your clowns. Like, we're not clowns. This's is We're serious
(41:45):
about this. But they brought in a makeup artist to
put on their makeup, and they were like, no, we
do it ourselves. And Peter was like, I'll do it,
you know, go ahead and do mine. So that's why
Peter's makeup looks completely different than any other time you
ever saw it, huh, just because he had somebody else
do it. But I always be honest with you, I
(42:07):
found that kind of interesting too, that they could have
just hired somebody and they certainly would have got a
little bit more rest as a band. You know, just
like I'm gonna lay here for forty five minutes and
let you put this, you know, take a nap while
you put this on my face. But they always insisted
(42:29):
doing themselves.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Maybe it helped them get into character or something.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
They probably I'm sure it did, you know, I'm sure
it did. I mean there's definitely times where you you
see pictures and go, oh, yeah, Paul wasn't quite as
accurate that night making the Star or you know, Ace
has always looked pretty solid, though jeans changed a lot,
but Ace has always looked pretty solid, you know, for
(42:54):
a guy that always had a bottle of wine in
his hand. I'm surprised, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But you know, when I when I saw him in
seventy six, of course they were in makeup. And I
saw him in ninety six and they were back in makeup,
and I'm really glad that they put their makeup back on,
because it just didn't seem right when they took their
makeup off for that however long they did.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
It was a huge deal. I remember I missed. I
missed it because I was I was in the recording
studio that night. But I immediately when I got home
from the studio, there was this is back because this
is back in ninety six, so I didn't have a
(43:35):
cell phone. Did you see it? Did you see it?
You see it? Kiss walked down on the Grammys. It
was the four of them and I was like what
I missed?
Speaker 5 (43:43):
What?
Speaker 3 (43:44):
And yeah? And then after that it was like the
news just sweat spread and then they're going back on
the road, the original four and that was just huge, yeah, huge, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I mean so in seventy six Jane blew fire twice
and in ninety six he only did it once. And
I was in the d I was in the damn
bathroom and I heard the crowd go up because I
had to go. I just you know, had so many
beers or whatever. I can't hold it. I gotta go.
So I'm going to run in because you know, you're
(44:19):
always waiting for Gene, and I can't heard a standard
to yournal When I hear the crowd go forget like
some of the gun. He did it, damn it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
So so I'm going to be a total tricky here. Okay,
are you absolutely positive about that? Because I've never known
Gene Simmons to blow the fire twice in one show.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I always thought he did.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I mean, I have never ever seen any evidence that
Gene has blown fire twice in one show, really, I mean,
unless he did it twice at one time.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, I think I've seen him do that where he
blows it and then immediately blows it again.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, yeah right, but not because yeah, you're probably right
heard the six songs later did it again?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, because it's it's for a particular song, isn't it.
They only do it right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know,
you're probably right. He probably didn't do it two different times.
And then at one point did he stop doing the blood?
Speaker 3 (45:20):
He stopped doing the blood in the non makeup years.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Oh, so did he do it back?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I mean he he did the blood from the very beginning,
all the way till the makeup came off. He continued
to breathe fire when the makeup came off, but he
didn't do the blood. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Where where did you see him in ninety six at
the Myriad?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, it was one of those down you know, of course,
the first time was at Lloyd Noble and that's not
a very big placed.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, that would have been that would have been wild
to see kiss in the seventies in the Low with Noble.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
It was, and it was my first concert. I had
no idea what to expect here.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I have a year, I have a buddy who again
I was still saying this on Facebook. But the amount
of friends that I have in my life, long lifelong
friends that I've had for thirty forty years so I'm
fifty now, that came into my life because of kiss
(46:29):
is crazy. I mean, I I'm sure I have more
friends that have come into my life because of kiss,
or that I turned into kiss fans. You know, you
gotta listen to kiss. You gotta listen to kiss. I mean,
that was my thing when I when I moved to
Oregon into fourth grade. One of the first things I
(46:51):
say is and by like kiss, because I was already
into it, you know, is that you know, it hadn't
even been a year yet, but I was like, like kiss.
I like kiss, and I had to work on him,
you know. And then I remember me and my buddy
when we decided we were going to be a band,
you know, and I heard this walk to the store.
(47:15):
Was me and my buddy Kevin. It was always me
and my buddy Kevin who were going to be in
a band together. And we eventually did, you know. But
there was a series of other friends who were going
to be in the band that you know, kind of
came and went, you know, until the band actually did start.
There was always there was a couple of years of
talking about being in a band in tennis racket concerts
(47:38):
and you know, and I remember walking to the store
and Kevin and I decided that our band was going
to wear makeup, like kiss. You know, we're not even
you know, we're probably nine years old at this point. Yeah,
And we had our buddy Tim walking with us, and
Tim Woolley in, uh, Tim, we've decided we're gonna wear makeup.
(48:03):
You know what, why are we gonna wear makeup? And
and I remember Kevin going, well, you know, because you know,
we don't want you do get tacked by all the girls.
And you know, we're nine years old. We don't want
to get tacked by all the girls. You know, we
ripping our clothes off and all that stuff and Tim,
(48:23):
and Tim stopped his track and he's like he's nine
years old too. He's like, I want girls to rip
my clothes. I was like, well, okay, Tim's not the
band because he won't wear a makeup. Of course we
never did, but that and then it became like in
the sixth grade, we were going to because our our
(48:46):
elementary school had a really cool stage in the gymnasium,
and so it was my idea that by the end
of our sixth grade year, we need to put on
the Kiss concert in the gym. But my idea was,
(49:06):
you know, because I knew we didn't know how to play,
is that we're going to do an air an air band,
get a concert. You know, we're just going to put
on a live or live too, and we're gonna and
we're gonna. But I remember talking to Kevin about it
at one point and I'm talking about, we need to
get working on this thing, you know, I mean, I
(49:29):
realized we're not going to actually play, but you know,
we still need to work on it. And Kevin looks
at me, goes, what do you mean we're not going
to play we don't know how to play. Well, yeah,
we need to work on that. So that never happened.
But it's just those kind of great memories that go
with Kiss and I beg there's just tons of them
(49:51):
of you know, Mike mccreedy from Pearl Jam, I bet
you he has the exact same story, you know, sitting
in the living room when the parents gone, and you know,
Kevin be sitting on the couch and he'd be playing
air drums. I'd be standing in front of him with
my tennis racket and I was Ace and he was Peter.
And if it was time for the Ace guitar solo,
Kevin would go make a glass of tang and I
would stick their do solo, vice versa. It's just it's
(50:17):
a huge part of our lives, you know. It's you know,
I felt that when Krrie Fisher died too, you know,
I mean, it's Star Wars. It's it's those things that
just grabbed you when you're a kid.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
But it's just kind of the end of an era.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
It's it's yeah, well, I mean it's absolutely not an
end of an era. The original kiss will never It's
not that I expected them to reform. I did, and
I knew it would never happen, but them just to
see the four of them sitting side by side at
the Kinney Center.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Arms been cool. What a bomber? Yes, yes, okay, dude,
Well have fun in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Oh yeah, so that so you you made that.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Oh yeah, we're doing live next week anyway.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yeah, we see, So next week you're going live, and
then the following week I'll still be in hawaiis so
maybe I can talk to you from Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
So we're there from we're there till the seventh. That's
on the twenty ninth, and we're there till the seventh.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
That's not international, now, is it.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Because that dast.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Did you not get it reduced?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
No? I just paid it. Oh that's just great.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, yeah, well we might want to look into it.
I think I talked to you guys last time. Didn't
they from Hawaii?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, well, we'll check into it.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
I don't know. But it's the United States, so I
don't see where it was.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, it seems like it would be less than some
other countries.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I don't know why it cost anymore at all, not
today's age. But anyway, I know.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
I know, I remember when I first got a cell phone.
I remember that first bill was like six hundred some dollars,
because you know, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to
go over a certain amount of yeah ouch yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Okay, dude, Well we know you needed to get that
out and we appreciate you coming on and talking about
as tel KP.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
We said, I I will, I will curse.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Hope you feel better, man, Yeah, I'll get there. He'll
be all right, I'll be all right, You'll be okay, dude,
we're gonna get the Let go appreciate you. Bye, I'll
talk to you, Okay, everybody, you guys will let us
know if if you were a big I forgot to
(52:58):
ask him if he was like in the Kiss army.
Let us know if you guys were huge Kiss fans,
and if you weren't like what band or what artists
were you guys? Is there anybody like Kiss that Just
when you guys first saw you, guys were like, oh
my god, you know that's the coolest thing ever. Let
(53:20):
us know who impressed you that much in the seventies
and uh uh call us five eight five four one
three eighth five or buzz buzzedmedia dot com and let
us know, and uh, I guess we're gonna out of here.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
See it's pretty funny explanatory.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
This is part.
Speaker 7 (53:54):
Of a kind of a juice shape.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
This is my utility built, and we don't want to
go any belower than.
Speaker 7 (53:59):
My ice there you because that's reserved for constant. That
I still some flask Gordon, and you know I mightn't,
but you're kind of like a spaceman.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
No, actually, I'm a calmer.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
And you listen, I got a little and you work
on you all sweet talker. But I'll tell you I
right on the sheet that they gave me where they
(54:42):
said it's hard to get the out of your shelves.
Try to cheer down that you wanted to.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Go for a ride in the first spaceship for a
rocket ship or.
Speaker 8 (54:52):
Something like that, if you were frying to Space Shuttle
space Shuttle, that you yes, I would prefer to have
a ride on the first space Shuttle's physically proper. I
was speaking to Pat and I said, you got any
info any.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Said, you can get me take it on that.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
I'd be very interested in that because I'm into a technology.
I think Ace doesn't need anything. I think he can just.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
His own power.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Never I don't let me tell you something about Ace.
Speaker 9 (55:23):
When we were first starting out, we had a milar
front to the bass draw. We would play these clubs
and we're still trying to figure out who is that
we are, what it is that we're trying to put across.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
A h.
Speaker 7 (55:44):
Ultimately wore laughing at himself.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
He liked me about having a lot of time. I'm
having a TAA. It'll get better.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Tell me what he hijacked that whole interview. He hijacked
that whole interview.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah,
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