December 24, 2024 • 25 mins
The old Grinch TV special was was my (Todd) favorite. But we all know Curtis would say say Charlie Brown,,,, what does he know. Merry Christmas Everyone!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, busheads, Welcome to the Seventies Buzz Podcast. I'm Curtis Tucker.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Todd Wheeler, bringing you our memories or lack thereof,
of growing up in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We are not a history podcast. We just want you
guys to know that sometimes we get things wrong, and
if you listen to us long enough, you're going to
be screaming at your device trying to give us the
right answers.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Listen up as we recount growing up in the Midwest
and our unique experience. Go to seventies Buzz dot com
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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reviews on your favorite podcasting apps. Man Chrismas just say
you know what we needed with some jingle bells.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Chin Chin Chin Chin Chin Chin chinch jingle bell, jingle bell,
jingle bell, jingle bell. Start it. Okay, katies, listen to
(01:03):
this podcast. They get right to bed. Actually, this we
record on Tuesday, so they'll probably be listening to this
on Christmas Day after everyone's opened all their Spectaculum Presents.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But you know what you could do, because we're recording
this last week. If you're listening to this now, you
could you could set the timer for it to release
Tuesday morning rather than Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, hang on, all right, I go, I gotta make
a note.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And that way they can listen, actually listen to it.
On Christmas Eve. They could all they could get their
family together and have egg nog and all sit around
and listen to the seventies Buzz podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
For Christmas morning or Tuesday Christmas Eve morning.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, Christmas Eve morning, for Christmas Eve. Oh my god,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It'll be a Christmas miracle if I get all this.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, it'll be a merkle. If you guys are listening
to the if you're listening to this, it was a
Christmas Markle.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So we we whipped out four episodes last week, and
you're hearing two of the episodes this week.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But we've only done one episode. We got It's like
back to the future.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I get confused and talk's not even in the state. God,
where are you woming?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm in? Uh? Where am I at? I am in? Ski?
Jack Jackson, Well, I'll fly into Jackson Hole wiving and
we're staying at Ski Valley Ranch, No River Valley somewhere.
I don't know where the heck we're going somewhere up there,
we're going going. Bill and I are in Wyoming right now.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And I'm not here in in the future, the future now,
I'm in needed now. But and I was in needed
last week when we recorded this that you're listening to today. Hey,
you guys hit us up at five eight oh five,
four one three eight oh five or email me buzz
Buzzimedia dot com. And we are not gonna have any
updates from anybody because we recorded this last week. Yeah,
(02:57):
and so you didn't have time to call in. Go
ahead and call in, call in. I guess Hey, let's
wish everybody a merry Christmas. Christmas, you guys are having
a pol you know, there could be some people listening
to this opening presence. Yeah, there are some people that
open their presents on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
We never got state. Did State was spoiled?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, I don't know. I don't know where they got
that tradition, but yeah, they always opened their presence on
Christmas Eve. Always drove me crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So, but did he have something from Santa Christmas morning.
He had to because Santa don't come Christmas Eve. I've
seen the movies. I saw the movie the other day.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You have to ask Stateton, but I'm sure he probably did.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Had to, had to. So like if the big Christmas
present was Christmas, you better talk to Stave.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't know. I just know he opened the rest
of them Christmas Eve and then he got to wake
up and play with them all first first thing, so.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'll be darn. Anyway, we would always beg mom, mom,
just one, just one, and I don't ever remember her
letting us.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Open just oh yeah. Same with my mom. There was
like no way, nope, nope, nope, nope, which really wasn't
super bad for me because my birthday's on the twentieth,
so I had just opened up some presents, so it
wasn't really that bad for me. But yeah, So anyway,
so we are going to do a fun little holiday
(04:29):
episode tonight talking all about Zach Grinch, and you guys
are probably saying, hey, hey, wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait. The Grinch came out in nineteen sixty six, guys. Yeah,
but but we watched it every year in the seventies,
and I think I probably watched it a couple of years,
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not as many years in the eighties. I even probably
watched it in sixty six, sixty seven and sixties sixty nine,
But it was always watching it in the seventies, mister Wheeler,
why is that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well? That was because yes, it was to get away
on me leading in there with something that's yeah. Actually,
actually the Grinch was published in nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Actually it was a poem published in nineteen fifty five
first called the Whobub and the Grinch. And I was
going to read the poem, but it's kind of long,
so I didn't. But in the poem, the Grinch is
yellow and he tricks the ho bub, which I don't
know what a hobub is wh whobub into buying a
(05:40):
piece of stream.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think I remember that. I think I remember reading that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What was it was? The hubub like a crazy, wild
made up animal that dr it was.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
A group of people who oh, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That may have been where the who came from?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Gotcha?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay, yep, So it's so. Actually, the idea kind of
started in fifty five, but then, like you say, he
did the book in fifty seven in the book originally
was red white and blaack, and he was black. He
was black and white with red eyes in the book. Yeah,
(06:24):
he was kind Yeah, he was kind of evil looking.
I mean I think he was scarier. He was pretty
scary looking in the original book. Yeah, from fifty seven.
And then he he knew Chuck Jones, Doug Jones. I
didn't realize that they had done a project together promoting
(06:45):
military And so then Chuck got this crazy idea of
animating because Chuck Jones did bugs Bunny and that stuff.
He thought, well, why don't we just animate the old Grinch?
And doctor Seuss, Nah, let's don't. And so Chucky like
I think he drew some stuff and showed him and
(07:06):
finally talked him into it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And yeah, I think they had done something. I think, Uh,
doctor Seuss was he He wouldn't. Why do they claim
doctor I never did find that out. Why did they
claim doctor? Did he have a doctorate in something?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know, he could have a doctorate in education? I
don't know, or that just may have been his pseudonym,
like doctor Phil Yeah, Theodore Theodore Seuss Geisel. Yeah, I
don't know why he called himself a doctor. I'm not
quite that he should have looked that up.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well. I kept thinking I was going to run into it,
but I didn't. Specifically.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I have a feeling it was just his nickname for
writing the books. Yeah, otherwise it had have been doctor Geisel.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I think so, which wouldn't have been bad. And
I never saw a picture of him until last night
Doctor Seuss.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, have you never seen doctor Seuss?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, being a cartoonist, I've I've got like a huge,
a big Doctor Seuss book of early drawings, and so
I've Yeah, so you're probably wondering, how do you get
from a black and white Grinch to the green Grinch?
And so he Yeah, he wasn't originally green, but Jones
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kept renting cars throughout the period of leading up to
doing the animation, and it just happened every car that
he rented was green.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Really, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, And like one of them was this really yucky green,
and so he and Doctor Seuss agreed that that would
be the Grench's color. Thing, that odd green on the
rental car. That's what anyway, that's what they say. So
that's where he got his green color. Well, and then
I think doctor Seuss probably redid the book, and I
(09:03):
think there is a grinch how the Grinch stole Christmas
book where he is green.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So yeah, anyway, there's a little bit of history.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The Grinch was basically based off Ted himself.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
They think he looked at it, saw himself in the mirror,
said you.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Look grinchy, and the rest I was I'm assuming grinch
was a word before that, or was it. Did he
just make up that word?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That's another good question. I have a feeling he made
it up.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, but he was. He was not in good spirits.
His wife was ill, and he was he was unhappy
with Christmas and the materialist dickism, materialisticism, materialism, the materialism
of Christmas, and and uh that that that's basically where
(09:56):
the Grinch came from, and his in his name and
the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah. I don't know that. Yeah, that would be kind
of interesting where he got the name grinch, because I
can't think of. I guess we'd have to look it
up if grinch the word grinch was used prior to
the Grinch.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So then they got everybody together, decided to do it,
and they both decided that Frankenstein would be perfect as
the voice of the Grinch, right, And I'm sure half
our audience is like, what are you even talking about?
But if I said Boris Karloff, you guys would be like, huh.
So Boris Karloff back in the way back days, always
(10:43):
played the monsters. He was Frankenstein and Wolfman and Sign's Monster,
Frankenstein's Monster, and the Mummy. So back in the old
black and white monster days, Boris Karloff.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Was a huge He was the monster act Oh, he
was the monster guy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah. So now this, I did not know that he
was in really pretty bad health when he did the
voice of the Grinch. He actually only had one lung
functioning and needed an oxygen tank. And then the Grinch
was actually the last character that he ever voiced.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh yeah, oh I had I did not know that,
so and I did not realize. I don't know that
even thought about it. But the song You're a mean one,
mister Grinch, I guess I just kind of assumed word
Karloff song.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Everybody did. And you know why because Doctor Seuss forgot
to give acknowledgment on the cartoon that.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Throw Revenue scraft yep.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Had sung it, and he felt so bad when he
found out that he had left him off the credits.
He actually wrote letters to a whole bunch of different
press members telling them to please give credit.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well. He also did not give credit to June for Either,
who played Cindy Lou.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Who he's a very forgetful man.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah. But Thurrell, who sang this song, was the voice
of Tony the Tiger, that's right, he's great. And June
Foray who played Sindy Lou, who was the voice of
Rocky the Squirrel and many others.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's funny when you when you say that, you can
picture Rocky the Squirrel and Cindy lu who kind of
almost being the same little character. Yeah. And then Thurrele
not only did he do Tony the Tiger, but he
did a lot of Disney. They say there's even rides
at Disney today with his voice.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So that's kind of kind of cute. There should be
voice actors, you know, it might be kind of fun.
I guess Charlie Brown. When Charlie Brown came out, it
was such a huge, huge hit and being an Christmas
animated special that CBS decided and I guess maybe they
(13:12):
were on ABC. Maybe Charlie Brown was on ABC, but anyway,
so CBS decided that they needed to compete, so they
wanted their own cartoon. Well, they decided to go with
How the Grinch Sole Christmas? And they say the half
hour cartoon took ten months and twenty five thousand drawings
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to complete, and while Charlie Brown had a budget of
under one hundred thousand, CBS spent three hundred and fifteen
thousand to do The Grinch, and that in today's money
would be two point eight million for a thirty minute cartoon.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But it did well.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It did do well, It still does well, still does well.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's still my favorite.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I'm a Charlie Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I know you are, Yeah, but no, I'd much rather
watch the Crench Charlie. I like them both.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I've been watching it. It's been on quite a bit
here lately.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Grinch. Yeah, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I think free form or something. Yeah, So anyway, Yeah,
so anyway, I think it was like the most expensive
Corus tune. It was animation at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It was Yeah, to this date written tomatoes scores at.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
One, which is kind of crazy, but I can kind
of see.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That yeah, and TV Guy drinks it as the best
Christmas special of all time.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's a pretty big honor.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Even better than Charlie and uh the one A Grammy
in sixty eight for I guess you're a meaning wile mister.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Grinch maybe so yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of crazy. Yeah,
so when you so, Chuck Jones basically took the book
and read it and it came out to twenty six minutes,
so they needed to fill an extra twelve minutes. And
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that's where.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Max the Dog came in and the ride down the
mountain yep.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
All of the little funny scene and that kind of
added the comical relief to the Grinch. So that's where
So that's basically Chuck Jones having to figure out how
to fill those minutes.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And so Max the Dog, you know what the name
of that mountain was, Well, he's trying, he's digging.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
God, I do.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's north of Hooville, Yeah, the mount jar.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I just saw it like two hours ago.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Now, Crumpet, Crumpet, that's right. I don't remember it being
cold Crumpet in the TV show. It must have been
mentioned in passing just lightly.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I read it. I
just couldn't remember trumpet crumpet. And if you're wondering who
wrote all those wonderful songs, it was doctor Seuss. He
actually wrote the words to Welcome Christmas, trim up the Tree,
and You're a mean one, mister grins. Now, he did
not write the music, but he did actually write the words.
(16:38):
And then when we get to the song faho Forays
that was supposed to be in his persona's tongue twisting trickery,
Geisel mimicked the sounds of classical Latin in this nonsensical lyrics.
After the special aired, viewers wrote to the network requesting
(17:01):
translations of the song, as they were convinced the lyrics
were in fact real Latin phrases. Oh they were not.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'd had fun with that.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
They were his made up faho forays. So he made
he made all that up. The dude was pretty creative.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, but he never had kids, did he?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Not? That unme aware of I don't think he did.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I always thought he was like before reaching researching this,
I always thought he was like some grumpy old dude.
But not at all.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
He just just.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Didn't have kids, and he was depressed because his wife
they had they had children, and his children I must
have been his daughter. I can't remember her name, but
she was a grizzel grizel, grizzle, grizzel, grizzle grizel. She
had a lot to say about the make of the
(18:00):
two thousand version. Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It was.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It could have been. This didn't have anything do with
the seventies, but it could have been a lot more adult.
There's a lot of adult stuff in it. You just
got to catch it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Like the The.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
One that stands out in my mind is The Keys
and the Fishbowl, the car Keys. Have you ever seen
the movie like one?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I'm not a fan of the movie.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh really?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Oh yeah, No, I hate the movie.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You should should you should give it a second chance.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I watched it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You should give it a second chance. No. I like
the car too, And I've heard the later version. I
think it's twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I like that one with cumber Bunch, cumber bench, what whatever?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The animated Yeah, movie heard, it's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's a great soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, it's good. I like the thirty minute and then
that one. I don't like the Jim Carrey. I'm not
a Jim Carrey fan.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You can't even tell Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Oh you can tell his Jim Carrey. So that's why
I don't like it, because it's not the Grinch, it's
Jim Carrey. Oh so yeah, no, I'm not not a
fan at all. But and it wasn't done in the seventies,
so I don't care. Let's see over the years how
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the Grinch Stool Christmas has been edited in order to
shorten its running time, because, of course, as we got
more commercial we had to add more commercials. One edit,
which ran for several years, censored the line your water,
mister Grinch from the song Your mean One, mister Grinch. Additionally,
(19:49):
the shot in which the Grinch smiles creepily just before
approaching the bed filled with the young Who's a little
creepy deemed inappropriate creepy for certain networks and was removed.
It was a little creepy, Yeah, I mean I can
picture him.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Now, is that with the one where he gets their
little candy canes? He goes down the bed and he
with his finger knocks the little candy canes out from
their hands.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I don't know, need to watch that again.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think it's somewhere in there let's see.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, Donny, I just thought of something. We could have
had Christmas music playing in the background.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I thought maybe you'd have one of the Grinch songs
queued up or something. Oh, you could do that while
I'm giving them this little uh. I did not know this,
and I have not seen this, But given the popularity
of the Christmas special, two more Grinch tales were produced.
One of them was Halloween Is Grinch Night. It aired
(20:52):
October twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I never remember that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
There, Hey, what a great seventy seven the best year
for Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Halloween Is Grinch Knight tells the story of the Grinch
making his way down to Whoville to scare all the
who's on Halloween. Unlike the original, the special was not
deemed a classic. Does anybody do any of our listeners
remember seeing Halloween Is Grinch Knight? Because I do not.
(21:21):
Yeah no, And I'm guessing it only aired one one time,
because it doesn't make it sound like it made it
any further. This is a this is a this is
your Christmas tune? Inch?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You really are that's the tiger. You're as cudley as
a cactus. You're as charming as any. Mister grig, you're
a bad banana with a greasy black bean. You're a monster,
(22:04):
mister Grinch, you're outside mfore your brain is full of spiders.
You've got garlic in your soul, mister green Inch, I
wouldn't touch you either. Thirty nine and a half footbool,
(22:26):
you're a vile one. Mister gant to play.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, now I think they I think they remember it,
sing along, sing along. Yeah, So there is our little
Christmas special for you guys on Christmas Eve twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, it's a little short, but we got stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We got two more podcasts to record, and basically we
just want to pop in here and wish you guys
are mirror Christmas. I think, do we have like one
more episode before the end of the year. Is that
right for the end of the year, or do we
have two? Because I know there's like five of some
days this month. I don't remember which days.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, thirty first is on Tuesday, so.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That'll be our last. That'll be our clean up episode,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So yeah, one more, yeah, one more after this one airs,
it will be uh.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But that's New Year's Eve. I don't know. Oh wow,
we got to figure out if we're gonna spend New
Year's Eve recording podcasts.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Or like you're gonna go to a party or something.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh I have before.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, I did two like ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well know, me and Denise went to the nown like
two years ago. Oh, I can't remember what we did live.
I don't think we did. It. Kind of depends on
if the New Year's Eve is on a weekend. I
think we usually do something, but Tuesday, Tuesday night, but
it's still New Year's Eve, So I wonder if Callahan's
is gonna be doing anything or if they're gonna be open.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
They'll be open, Oh, absolutely, they'll be open.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't say absolutely because they might want to take
the day off.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
They'll take New Year's Day off.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They may close early because it's New Year's Eve. It's
New Year's Eve, dude, it's Callahan's.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, they like to party.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, it's not like they're going to stay up until
midnight and like have like a New Year's Eve party.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Nah, they might close.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, i'll close it.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Eight.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
They don't close it eight. Do they close a day?
They don't close it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Dight.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know what the time they closed, because I'm
always out of their way earlier than that.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, I don't know anyway. Anyway, Merry Christmas all that
you guys. Uh, let us know what you got for
Christmas five eight oh five four one three five or
buzz busidmedia dot com and I guess we're gonna get
out of here.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Rare you bah
Hey, busheads, Welcome to the Seventies Buzz Podcast. I'm Curtis Tucker.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Todd Wheeler, bringing you our memories or lack thereof,
of growing up in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We are not a history podcast. We just want you
guys to know that sometimes we get things wrong, and
if you listen to us long enough, you're going to
be screaming at your device trying to give us the
right answers.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Listen up as we recount growing up in the Midwest
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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you know what we needed with some jingle bells.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Chin Chin Chin Chin Chin Chin chinch jingle bell, jingle bell,
jingle bell, jingle bell. Start it. Okay, katies, listen to
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this podcast. They get right to bed. Actually, this we
record on Tuesday, so they'll probably be listening to this
on Christmas Day after everyone's opened all their Spectaculum Presents.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But you know what you could do, because we're recording
this last week. If you're listening to this now, you
could you could set the timer for it to release
Tuesday morning rather than Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, hang on, all right, I go, I gotta make
a note.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And that way they can listen, actually listen to it.
On Christmas Eve. They could all they could get their
family together and have egg nog and all sit around
and listen to the seventies Buzz podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
For Christmas morning or Tuesday Christmas Eve morning.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, Christmas Eve morning, for Christmas Eve. Oh my god,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It'll be a Christmas miracle if I get all this.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, it'll be a merkle. If you guys are listening
to the if you're listening to this, it was a
Christmas Markle.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So we we whipped out four episodes last week, and
you're hearing two of the episodes this week.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But we've only done one episode. We got It's like
back to the future.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I get confused and talk's not even in the state. God,
where are you woming?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm in? Uh? Where am I at? I am in? Ski?
Jack Jackson, Well, I'll fly into Jackson Hole wiving and
we're staying at Ski Valley Ranch, No River Valley somewhere.
I don't know where the heck we're going somewhere up there,
we're going going. Bill and I are in Wyoming right now.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And I'm not here in in the future, the future now,
I'm in needed now. But and I was in needed
last week when we recorded this that you're listening to today. Hey,
you guys hit us up at five eight oh five,
four one three eight oh five or email me buzz
Buzzimedia dot com. And we are not gonna have any
updates from anybody because we recorded this last week. Yeah,
(02:57):
and so you didn't have time to call in. Go
ahead and call in, call in. I guess Hey, let's
wish everybody a merry Christmas. Christmas, you guys are having
a pol you know, there could be some people listening
to this opening presence. Yeah, there are some people that
open their presents on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
We never got state. Did State was spoiled?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, I don't know. I don't know where they got
that tradition, but yeah, they always opened their presence on
Christmas Eve. Always drove me crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So, but did he have something from Santa Christmas morning.
He had to because Santa don't come Christmas Eve. I've
seen the movies. I saw the movie the other day.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You have to ask Stateton, but I'm sure he probably did.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Had to, had to. So like if the big Christmas
present was Christmas, you better talk to Stave.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't know. I just know he opened the rest
of them Christmas Eve and then he got to wake
up and play with them all first first thing, so.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'll be darn. Anyway, we would always beg mom, mom,
just one, just one, and I don't ever remember her
letting us.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Open just oh yeah. Same with my mom. There was
like no way, nope, nope, nope, nope, which really wasn't
super bad for me because my birthday's on the twentieth,
so I had just opened up some presents, so it
wasn't really that bad for me. But yeah, So anyway,
so we are going to do a fun little holiday
(04:29):
episode tonight talking all about Zach Grinch, and you guys
are probably saying, hey, hey, wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait. The Grinch came out in nineteen sixty six, guys. Yeah,
but but we watched it every year in the seventies,
and I think I probably watched it a couple of years,
(04:51):
not as many years in the eighties. I even probably
watched it in sixty six, sixty seven and sixties sixty nine,
But it was always watching it in the seventies, mister Wheeler,
why is that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well? That was because yes, it was to get away
on me leading in there with something that's yeah. Actually,
actually the Grinch was published in nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Actually it was a poem published in nineteen fifty five
first called the Whobub and the Grinch. And I was
going to read the poem, but it's kind of long,
so I didn't. But in the poem, the Grinch is
yellow and he tricks the ho bub, which I don't
know what a hobub is wh whobub into buying a
(05:40):
piece of stream.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think I remember that. I think I remember reading that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What was it was? The hubub like a crazy, wild
made up animal that dr it was.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
A group of people who oh, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That may have been where the who came from?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Gotcha?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay, yep, So it's so. Actually, the idea kind of
started in fifty five, but then, like you say, he
did the book in fifty seven in the book originally
was red white and blaack, and he was black. He
was black and white with red eyes in the book. Yeah,
(06:24):
he was kind Yeah, he was kind of evil looking.
I mean I think he was scarier. He was pretty
scary looking in the original book. Yeah, from fifty seven.
And then he he knew Chuck Jones, Doug Jones. I
didn't realize that they had done a project together promoting
(06:45):
military And so then Chuck got this crazy idea of
animating because Chuck Jones did bugs Bunny and that stuff.
He thought, well, why don't we just animate the old Grinch?
And doctor Seuss, Nah, let's don't. And so Chucky like
I think he drew some stuff and showed him and
(07:06):
finally talked him into it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And yeah, I think they had done something. I think, Uh,
doctor Seuss was he He wouldn't. Why do they claim
doctor I never did find that out. Why did they
claim doctor? Did he have a doctorate in something?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know, he could have a doctorate in education? I
don't know, or that just may have been his pseudonym,
like doctor Phil Yeah, Theodore Theodore Seuss Geisel. Yeah, I
don't know why he called himself a doctor. I'm not
quite that he should have looked that up.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well. I kept thinking I was going to run into it,
but I didn't. Specifically.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I have a feeling it was just his nickname for
writing the books. Yeah, otherwise it had have been doctor Geisel.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I think so, which wouldn't have been bad. And
I never saw a picture of him until last night
Doctor Seuss.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, have you never seen doctor Seuss?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, being a cartoonist, I've I've got like a huge,
a big Doctor Seuss book of early drawings, and so
I've Yeah, so you're probably wondering, how do you get
from a black and white Grinch to the green Grinch?
And so he Yeah, he wasn't originally green, but Jones
(08:31):
kept renting cars throughout the period of leading up to
doing the animation, and it just happened every car that
he rented was green.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Really, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, And like one of them was this really yucky green,
and so he and Doctor Seuss agreed that that would
be the Grench's color. Thing, that odd green on the
rental car. That's what anyway, that's what they say. So
that's where he got his green color. Well, and then
I think doctor Seuss probably redid the book, and I
(09:03):
think there is a grinch how the Grinch stole Christmas
book where he is green.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So yeah, anyway, there's a little bit of history.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The Grinch was basically based off Ted himself.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
They think he looked at it, saw himself in the mirror,
said you.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Look grinchy, and the rest I was I'm assuming grinch
was a word before that, or was it. Did he
just make up that word?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That's another good question. I have a feeling he made
it up.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, but he was. He was not in good spirits.
His wife was ill, and he was he was unhappy
with Christmas and the materialist dickism, materialisticism, materialism, the materialism
of Christmas, and and uh that that that's basically where
(09:56):
the Grinch came from, and his in his name and
the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah. I don't know that. Yeah, that would be kind
of interesting where he got the name grinch, because I
can't think of. I guess we'd have to look it
up if grinch the word grinch was used prior to
the Grinch.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So then they got everybody together, decided to do it,
and they both decided that Frankenstein would be perfect as
the voice of the Grinch, right, And I'm sure half
our audience is like, what are you even talking about?
But if I said Boris Karloff, you guys would be like, huh.
So Boris Karloff back in the way back days, always
(10:43):
played the monsters. He was Frankenstein and Wolfman and Sign's Monster,
Frankenstein's Monster, and the Mummy. So back in the old
black and white monster days, Boris Karloff.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Was a huge He was the monster act Oh, he
was the monster guy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah. So now this, I did not know that he
was in really pretty bad health when he did the
voice of the Grinch. He actually only had one lung
functioning and needed an oxygen tank. And then the Grinch
was actually the last character that he ever voiced.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh yeah, oh I had I did not know that,
so and I did not realize. I don't know that
even thought about it. But the song You're a mean one,
mister Grinch, I guess I just kind of assumed word
Karloff song.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Everybody did. And you know why because Doctor Seuss forgot
to give acknowledgment on the cartoon that.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Throw Revenue scraft yep.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Had sung it, and he felt so bad when he
found out that he had left him off the credits.
He actually wrote letters to a whole bunch of different
press members telling them to please give credit.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well. He also did not give credit to June for Either,
who played Cindy Lou.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Who he's a very forgetful man.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah. But Thurrell, who sang this song, was the voice
of Tony the Tiger, that's right, he's great. And June
Foray who played Sindy Lou, who was the voice of
Rocky the Squirrel and many others.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's funny when you when you say that, you can
picture Rocky the Squirrel and Cindy lu who kind of
almost being the same little character. Yeah. And then Thurrele
not only did he do Tony the Tiger, but he
did a lot of Disney. They say there's even rides
at Disney today with his voice.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So that's kind of kind of cute. There should be
voice actors, you know, it might be kind of fun.
I guess Charlie Brown. When Charlie Brown came out, it
was such a huge, huge hit and being an Christmas
animated special that CBS decided and I guess maybe they
(13:12):
were on ABC. Maybe Charlie Brown was on ABC, but anyway,
so CBS decided that they needed to compete, so they
wanted their own cartoon. Well, they decided to go with
How the Grinch Sole Christmas? And they say the half
hour cartoon took ten months and twenty five thousand drawings
(13:35):
to complete, and while Charlie Brown had a budget of
under one hundred thousand, CBS spent three hundred and fifteen
thousand to do The Grinch, and that in today's money
would be two point eight million for a thirty minute cartoon.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But it did well.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It did do well, It still does well, still does well.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's still my favorite.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I'm a Charlie Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I know you are, Yeah, but no, I'd much rather
watch the Crench Charlie. I like them both.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I've been watching it. It's been on quite a bit
here lately.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Grinch. Yeah, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I think free form or something. Yeah, So anyway, Yeah,
so anyway, I think it was like the most expensive
Corus tune. It was animation at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It was Yeah, to this date written tomatoes scores at.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
One, which is kind of crazy, but I can kind
of see.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That yeah, and TV Guy drinks it as the best
Christmas special of all time.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's a pretty big honor.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Even better than Charlie and uh the one A Grammy
in sixty eight for I guess you're a meaning wile mister.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Grinch maybe so yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of crazy. Yeah,
so when you so, Chuck Jones basically took the book
and read it and it came out to twenty six minutes,
so they needed to fill an extra twelve minutes. And
(15:18):
that's where.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Max the Dog came in and the ride down the
mountain yep.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
All of the little funny scene and that kind of
added the comical relief to the Grinch. So that's where
So that's basically Chuck Jones having to figure out how
to fill those minutes.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And so Max the Dog, you know what the name
of that mountain was, Well, he's trying, he's digging.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
God, I do.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's north of Hooville, Yeah, the mount jar.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I just saw it like two hours ago.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Now, Crumpet, Crumpet, that's right. I don't remember it being
cold Crumpet in the TV show. It must have been
mentioned in passing just lightly.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I read it. I
just couldn't remember trumpet crumpet. And if you're wondering who
wrote all those wonderful songs, it was doctor Seuss. He
actually wrote the words to Welcome Christmas, trim up the Tree,
and You're a mean one, mister grins. Now, he did
not write the music, but he did actually write the words.
(16:38):
And then when we get to the song faho Forays
that was supposed to be in his persona's tongue twisting trickery,
Geisel mimicked the sounds of classical Latin in this nonsensical lyrics.
After the special aired, viewers wrote to the network requesting
(17:01):
translations of the song, as they were convinced the lyrics
were in fact real Latin phrases. Oh they were not.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'd had fun with that.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
They were his made up faho forays. So he made
he made all that up. The dude was pretty creative.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, but he never had kids, did he?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Not? That unme aware of I don't think he did.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I always thought he was like before reaching researching this,
I always thought he was like some grumpy old dude.
But not at all.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
He just just.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Didn't have kids, and he was depressed because his wife
they had they had children, and his children I must
have been his daughter. I can't remember her name, but
she was a grizzel grizel, grizzle, grizzel, grizzle grizel. She
had a lot to say about the make of the
(18:00):
two thousand version. Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It was.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It could have been. This didn't have anything do with
the seventies, but it could have been a lot more adult.
There's a lot of adult stuff in it. You just
got to catch it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Like the The.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
One that stands out in my mind is The Keys
and the Fishbowl, the car Keys. Have you ever seen
the movie like one?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I'm not a fan of the movie.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh really?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Oh yeah, No, I hate the movie.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You should should you should give it a second chance.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I watched it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You should give it a second chance. No. I like
the car too, And I've heard the later version. I
think it's twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I like that one with cumber Bunch, cumber bench, what whatever?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The animated Yeah, movie heard, it's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's a great soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, it's good. I like the thirty minute and then
that one. I don't like the Jim Carrey. I'm not
a Jim Carrey fan.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You can't even tell Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Oh you can tell his Jim Carrey. So that's why
I don't like it, because it's not the Grinch, it's
Jim Carrey. Oh so yeah, no, I'm not not a
fan at all. But and it wasn't done in the seventies,
so I don't care. Let's see over the years how
(19:29):
the Grinch Stool Christmas has been edited in order to
shorten its running time, because, of course, as we got
more commercial we had to add more commercials. One edit,
which ran for several years, censored the line your water,
mister Grinch from the song Your mean One, mister Grinch. Additionally,
(19:49):
the shot in which the Grinch smiles creepily just before
approaching the bed filled with the young Who's a little
creepy deemed inappropriate creepy for certain networks and was removed.
It was a little creepy, Yeah, I mean I can
picture him.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Now, is that with the one where he gets their
little candy canes? He goes down the bed and he
with his finger knocks the little candy canes out from
their hands.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I don't know, need to watch that again.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think it's somewhere in there let's see.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, Donny, I just thought of something. We could have
had Christmas music playing in the background.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I thought maybe you'd have one of the Grinch songs
queued up or something. Oh, you could do that while
I'm giving them this little uh. I did not know this,
and I have not seen this, But given the popularity
of the Christmas special, two more Grinch tales were produced.
One of them was Halloween Is Grinch Night. It aired
(20:52):
October twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I never remember that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
There, Hey, what a great seventy seven the best year
for Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Halloween Is Grinch Knight tells the story of the Grinch
making his way down to Whoville to scare all the
who's on Halloween. Unlike the original, the special was not
deemed a classic. Does anybody do any of our listeners
remember seeing Halloween Is Grinch Knight? Because I do not.
(21:21):
Yeah no, And I'm guessing it only aired one one time,
because it doesn't make it sound like it made it
any further. This is a this is a this is
your Christmas tune? Inch?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You really are that's the tiger. You're as cudley as
a cactus. You're as charming as any. Mister grig, you're
a bad banana with a greasy black bean. You're a monster,
(22:04):
mister Grinch, you're outside mfore your brain is full of spiders.
You've got garlic in your soul, mister green Inch, I
wouldn't touch you either. Thirty nine and a half footbool,
(22:26):
you're a vile one. Mister gant to play.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, now I think they I think they remember it,
sing along, sing along. Yeah, So there is our little
Christmas special for you guys on Christmas Eve twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, it's a little short, but we got stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We got two more podcasts to record, and basically we
just want to pop in here and wish you guys
are mirror Christmas. I think, do we have like one
more episode before the end of the year. Is that
right for the end of the year, or do we
have two? Because I know there's like five of some
days this month. I don't remember which days.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, thirty first is on Tuesday, so.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That'll be our last. That'll be our clean up episode,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So yeah, one more, yeah, one more after this one airs,
it will be uh.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But that's New Year's Eve. I don't know. Oh wow,
we got to figure out if we're gonna spend New
Year's Eve recording podcasts.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Or like you're gonna go to a party or something.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh I have before.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, I did two like ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well know, me and Denise went to the nown like
two years ago. Oh, I can't remember what we did live.
I don't think we did. It. Kind of depends on
if the New Year's Eve is on a weekend. I
think we usually do something, but Tuesday, Tuesday night, but
it's still New Year's Eve, So I wonder if Callahan's
is gonna be doing anything or if they're gonna be open.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
They'll be open, Oh, absolutely, they'll be open.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't say absolutely because they might want to take
the day off.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
They'll take New Year's Day off.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They may close early because it's New Year's Eve. It's
New Year's Eve, dude, it's Callahan's.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, they like to party.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, it's not like they're going to stay up until
midnight and like have like a New Year's Eve party.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Nah, they might close.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, i'll close it.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Eight.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
They don't close it eight. Do they close a day?
They don't close it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Dight.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know what the time they closed, because I'm
always out of their way earlier than that.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, I don't know anyway. Anyway, Merry Christmas all that
you guys. Uh, let us know what you got for
Christmas five eight oh five four one three five or
buzz busidmedia dot com and I guess we're gonna get
out of here.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Rare you bah
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