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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Chief Miles O'Brien has been transporting people for twenty two
years and he hasn't lost anyone yet. Lieutenant Barkley appears
inordinately preoccupied with his physiological condition, and Chief O'Brien found
his pet, Christina, the Lykosa tarantula on Titus four. Hello, everybody,
welcome to the Seventh Rule with Sarroc lofton Ello. My

(00:22):
name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we're doing a review
of Star Trek the Next Generation Season six, episode two,
Realm of Fear. It sounds like a fantasy video game.
Written by Brannon Braga, directed by Cliff Bole. This was
September twenty sixth, nineteen ninety two. Where were you and

(00:46):
how are you today?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
That was a very good callback memory for me because
the smell of that Big Lead chew when you open
that package you have the grape or the other regular.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
One strawberry thing. Maybe it's the regular Yeah, oh man,
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's literally and I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
It made me feel like a baseball player to pop
in that thing and then just taking them shreds of yeah,
chewing tobacco for some reason.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, that's what they were trying to, just like candy cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, that like it made you flavor.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
It was almost like luxurious. It was almost like damn.
But if you can afford a Big League chew, life
is pretty good. Right now, you're oh man, that's good stuff. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, that was back in the bubble blowing days. You know,
there was also bubble tape. There was the.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Fruit striped gum. If you like flavor for fourteen seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, we had the hubb up bubba.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Oh yeah, yep, double bubble. Shout out to Cheech and Chong. Hey,
double bubble. That's a line in cheaching Chong. Anyway, let's
talk about this episode. I'm gonna get some big league
chew and take it to Vegas. They have like eight flavors.
Now it's nuts, not nuts flavored. But anyway, the point
is so rock. You've never seen this episode before, you've

(02:59):
never seen TNG before, you're doing your first watch through.
What did you think of this episode?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, you know, let me just say, I think I
really like Dwight Schultz and Barkley's character.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Lieutenant Barkley is that his name. Yeah. It feels like.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
He embodies the type of character that's not really shown
as much in Star Trek that we could use, and
that is somebody who's unsure.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Of themselves and very flawed.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, and it feels like, you know, the characters that
we get. Everybody is so confident and so disciplined through
the you know, Starfleet academy training and whatever it takes
to become an officer, and you know, in this military,
but you know there are people well that still have

(04:01):
certain issues of either socially blending in with people. They
have anxiety issues, they have self confidence issues.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
There's there's all kinds.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Of you know, very reasonable, understandable complexes that we develop
based on our life experiences, and I think that Barkley
embodies the kind of person that you know, we all
have in us at times.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
When we feel like.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Either the responsibility is too big for us, or we're
not sure if we can deliver in the moment, or
if we have the genuine fear of something, which is
the case of this particular episode. And Barkley seems to
have a lot of fears and anxieties about things.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
But I think this one in.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
The Transporter, you know, reminded me of the same kind
of fears that we all have. So I really like
Barkley as a character because the flaws allow us to
reflect on our own flaws and have sympathy for somebody.
Because there was moments there when I'm watching this episode
and you're like, is the crew going to believe him?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Are they going to just make him like, you know,
like make him feel bad and like it's.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
All on you and you have a mental psychosis and
you know, you're crazy. And I felt that the way
that the crew approached believing him and giving him the
benefit of the doubt and examining further. I think O'Brien
at one point was like, I'll double check it, I'll
run another diagnostic something.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
That was so sweet. Yeah, and he's like, oh, you
don't have to He's like, no, no, you can come
help me. Actually, there was a moment there where when
he did that, I was like, isn't Barkley You're superior,
Like it's weird for Chief O'Brien to be like, tell
you what you can, you can come help me with this,
and Barkley should be like, I will help you with this.

(06:00):
But not because it was just a funny little thing
right there. But it's like Barkley makes you feel like
you can talk to him, like, hey, come on, come on, buddy,
just I got you. Let me put my arm around you.
But you're liking him right well.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's that speaks to what I'm saying about the chain
of command. Because of the discipline of the military. Because
of the discipline of chain of command, there is a
level of casualness that's removed from a relationship.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
While you're you know, functioning.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
While you're doing your job, while you're performing, you're doing
and I felt like.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Barkley allows us to break the norm.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
On that because there's a sensitivity to you know, his
feelings and you know and what he's experiencing and you
know what his perception is. And I think that sensitivity
was handled well by the the rest of the crew.
And that's what I really loved about this episode. It

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showed us how the crew is compassionate and their fellow
crew men, but it also showed that they didn't distrust him.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know. Doctor Crusher was like, I'll I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Run an examine on your laurel epidural, epidurable skin whatever,
you know, you know, just saying, look, we're gonna look
for those We're gonna look to see if there's something
there because I didn't think I checked hard enough. And
just little things like that were ways that you reinforce
and reassure somebody where the opposite could be easily true,
and you can destroy somebody as well in those same

(07:37):
kind of moments. So if somebody, if the crew had
played towards his paranoia and said something's wrong with you,
and basically, you know, dismissed him. That could have snowballed
to a bigger problem psychologically for him. He would have
felt loved that he would actually been injured and.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Not been able to feel like he can tell anybody.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
And so that could have snowballed to a bad situation,
which in life, it could snowball to a bad situation
if you don't have the kind of people that are
there to listen to you, to take note of your feelings,
to understand what you're going through, and be able to
basically counsel you in those kinds of moments.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So that's what I loved about this episode.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, and you'll recall that they were not always this
supportive of Barkley. Remember when Hughes first introduced. I mean
it was partially his own fault, of course, because he
was acting like an idiot, like on the hol of Deck.
It's okay, it's your own fantasy, you do whatever, but
like you know, people don't like to see that about themselves. Well, no,

(08:47):
he was doing some things that were inappropriate too, but
people didn't like him, and I think the card was
going to transfer him or Geordie was saying he can't
work with the guy. But then they've gotten through that,
and it showed how far they've gone gotten with him
that Picard Like the biggest moment to me in that
regard was when Picard was kind of like, are you

(09:08):
sure you know? And Barkley says, Captain, I wouldn't have
called you in here if I wasn't absolutely positive, and
Picard thought about it and he's like yeah, and he said,
all right, mister Wolf, do this, Beverly, do that. You know.
It's like, all right, let's go. It's game time, it's action.
And I thought that was really cool where he's like, yeah, okay,
I believe you, mister Brockley. So for me, I have

(09:34):
seen this episode before and before I even clicked on
the episode, you see the little thumbnail image and it
was mister Barkley there, and I was like, oh, is
this the Transporter episode? And of course it was.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
And this.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Is to me a very comfort food Star Trek episode.
Like maybe it's not the best episode ever, but it's
an episode that I'm very happy to watch as many
times as it would be shown to me. Most even

(10:12):
some episodes I think are great, I wouldn't want to
watch them a bunch of times. I don't need to.
It's like two intense or something. This one I could
watch over and over and over again, and it makes
me happy. I love Barkley, I love Chief O'Brien, I
love them being featured. It's easy, it's fun to watch,
it's it's humorous. When I saw this, I was like, oh,
this is good stuff. This is to me, this is

(10:35):
such a quintessential TNG episode, even though it's nothing, nothing big,
nothing major happens, but it's just this is a TNG
episode to me. If you said, you know, name ten
TNG episodes off the top of your head, this would
be one for me. It was one of the first
ones I saw way back in the day, you know,

(10:57):
and I kind of peeked ahead to the next few
episodes that are coming up in season six, and I'm like, wow,
there are a lot of very TNG episodes to me
coming up, and this is definitely one of them. So
did you laugh.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
At Yeah, you know, that's what I was going to say, because,
first of all, Dwight Schultz is a fantastic acta.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I mean, it's just no way of so fun. Yeah,
he's fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
He's got these facial expressions where he really animates his
face and gives you like like looks, like all these looks,
all these looks on his face.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Like when he was listening to the symptoms, that was
the funniest. Yes, he's like, yeah, I think uh huh
oh my heart. Yeah, yeah, I think I'm thirsty too.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yes, yes, when he's listening to the symptoms, even when
he's uh walking up to the transporder. As he's walking
up there, in his face, you know, just like his
face trying to wrestle with.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Like it's gonna be all right, don't worry, you got this.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I think.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
What O'Brien said to him, he said, hey, don't worry,
just stay calm, And it was like, you're tilling this
guy to stay calm.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Look.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
And then when he was saying somebody else was transporting
and he was like, oh, we got some kind of
problem here, and that Barkley's like hiding behind to call me.
He's like you then he's like sweating. He's like, oh no, no,
we're okay, and he's like okay. I mean he's just
so good. He's just you could watch them all day.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, all day, even even in the office there when
he's sitting with Troy and she's kind of diagnosing him.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
And she's like, you know, and he's like he's sitting.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Up and he's like, it's just total fear and he
just falls into this sofa. You know, he's just he's
just very good because he doesn't he slightly overacts, right,
I would say slightly right. It's not too much where
it's like you're like, oh, come on, this guy's going
too far. It's just enough where he emphasizes the nervousness,

(13:19):
the anxiety.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Like you know, it's just really really good act.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's comedic overacting, not like mister Bean level, but like
like you know, uh, he gives us. He gives you
a little bit more. He knows when he's getting a
close up, and he knows this is the chance to
give an extra nod or a thought or a frown
or a surprise look. You know, he just gives us

(13:48):
so much. I'm sure directors must love to work with
him because they're just like, this guy just kiss me.
A good take after good take after good take. I bet.
I mean, I'm guessing I've never worked with him. I
don't know about him, but I'm guessing based on what
he did on the A Team and what he's done here.
That's really all I know. Two completely different shows, totally
different characters, but incredible both ways. So I love Barkley

(14:16):
and I love Chief O'Brien, and I realized that they
were kind of the two stars of this episode. And
I feel like this may have been the first time
in the Next Generation that the two main characters of
an episode were not one of the regulars, not one

(14:38):
of the seven, eight or nine regulars, like when we
had even when we had Ensign Roe as one of
the leads, it was with Jordi or Guynan with Picard,
you know, even even that, I don't think we've ever
had two guest stars or two recurring characters be the leads.
And then I was thinking, like, I like these guys

(14:58):
so much like there, it's almost like they're my favorite
characters of the next generation, and it's just so fun
to watch. It's also it's fresh, it's new. It's not
the same people. I love those people, but it's something new.
And then I was thinking, like the mount rushmore of
guest stars are recurring characters of the next Generation. It's
those two for me, plus kind of like we also

(15:22):
got a Nogawa Nurse Ogawa was there, and then there's
all you know, of course Guynan, although she was considered
regular for a while there, and and and Roe Laren
And I know that's four, but I feel like those
are the five where towards the end, next generation had
a few of their own Wayunes and Ducats, you know,

(15:44):
the people that kind of branching out a little bit
that you see often. But I don't know, I'm just
very happy with getting to see these secondary characters more
and really kind of shine in this episode.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, And to that point, there was a moment in
there when I think it was Jordie O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
And I want to say data probably working on a problem,
like you know, solving an issue, and I thought.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
This is the greatest set of engineers you've ever wanted.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
A problem between these guys, and you know, if they
can't figure it out, it's there's no hope for.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
You, you know. And so I was like, I was
really pleased.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I also thought it was great to see O'Brien have
so many lines, you know, I think this the most
lines he's had in an episode.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Could be also the one where he got turned into
like a bad guy like him and Troy and whoever
else we're turning to a bad guy data. But you know,
that was a pretty good one. But yeah, this was
the one. That's what I'm saying, Like it was him
and Barkley.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It was him in Barkley, and he had he had
the moments there, you know, he's like, hey, man, I
know how you feel. And he's like, wow, you're afraid
of transporters too, and he's like no, no, Erectly they're
like what Barkley's faces like the taels I have to
do with with my issue, you know. And so just
so just seeing O'Brien have that many lines and that

(17:11):
many scenes and that much responsibility was fantastic for me.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I loved it. I can't say enough about Barkley.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
And you know, I want to say this about Barkley,
which I think is fun to watch and add an
extra element.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Of joy for Meanwhile, I was watching this episode.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
And that is Barkley came from the eighteen or Dwight
Schultz came from the eighteen And on the eighteen it
was mister t who had the biggest phobia of transportation
on an airplane.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I don't know if you remember.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
That only now that you say that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, mister T, as big as he was, as buff
as he was, he was afraid of flying. And so
when they needed to fly somewhere, they would come cock
some way of their knocking him out.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, they would knock him out. Yeah, they'd like here,
drink this. You'd be like, all right, whatever, and they
drag him in there. That's fun.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
So so the irony for me was Dwight Schultz is
now playing somebody who has a fear of a form
of transportation. This is not flying, this is you know,
getting beamed out. But essentially he's playing the mister T guy, right,
his version, his take on this phobia having a phobia.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
So it's funny to me because I remember many times
where Dwhite Schultz's character was trying to convince mister T
to get over his phobia, and now he is dealing
with his own phobia where other characters are from Star
Trek and trying to tell him to get over his
So I thought that was just for me as like
a flashback on Dwight schultz career, which I actually you know,

(19:01):
I've loved him as.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I think he played Murdoch.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Right, Yeah, yeah Murdoch. So it's interesting when I when
we saw the scene with him saying, oh, spiders never
bothered me. It was funny to me because in an
episode not gonna say when coming up, we have not

(19:26):
seen it, Barkley will have a connection to spiders. I'm
not gonna say anymore. But there's another one for me,
quintessential TNG episode, and it's I had forgotten about this line,
but it's funny to me to hear Barkley say, oh,
I don't I never had a problem with spiders. And I'm like, oh,
that's that's interesting, that's fitting. That's fitting anyway, So stay

(19:49):
tuned for that. So anyway, yeah, I just again, we
got a little bit of Nurse Ogawa too.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
So when did you see your Nurse of got you
brought that up before? What I don't remember seeing.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
It was in sick Bay. It wasn't she did.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
She didn't have lines though, she was just.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
She did like I was typing something and I heard
her voice and I was like, is that Nurse Ogain
And I was like, yeah, cool, we saw her, but yeah,
I don't remember exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
What They were running running tests on Lieutenant Kelly maybe
during that time. Yeah, they had Kelly in the Sick Bay. Okay,
now it's coming to me too. But I didn't she
didn't jump out. You don't get a close up, you know,
and it's like, yeah, we're trying to see.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
If I can look up the actual episode and what
she did. I don't think I see it. I don't
think there's like an actual still frame of her in
that episode. But anyway, yeah, we definitely saw it. It
might have only been one up or one scene. Sorry, yeah,
you might be right there. But anyway, that was just

(21:04):
great to see. I like her voice. It's very soothing,
it's very it's very nice. I like to see. She's
also comfort food to me. Honestly, when I when Ogawa
is in there, it makes it makes it feel more
like Star Trek that I remember. For some reason, it

(21:25):
just feels it's just comforting to see her there because
I always hated like that Sick Bay was just one
doctor and then sometimes some extras, I'm like, put more
people in there, do something, give us something. Poort Beverly
has to just you know, act to the background actor
of the of the day, you know, like give her
a friend, a confidant, a second in charge, somebody she trusts,

(21:47):
you know. And when I see Ogawa in an episode,
for some reason, it just it hits differently and it
makes me feel like, ah, this is this is the
Next Generation to me.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, I mean I feel that way about O'Brien, even
though I haven't seen much of him. And you know,
that's that's one thing I'm learning now by watching this show.
I thought O'Brien was happily in this show a lot
more than what I've seen him. And I think maybe
I see him once every five or six.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Episodes if that.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
And I thought, you know, that he was featured more
in this show, you know, maybe up till now we've
seen him maybe twenty times, twenty times.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Maybe yeah, right, I'll look it up.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
But yeah, he was definitely maybe twenty five times.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, like a recurring guy, you know, because sometimes I.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Think early on he barely had.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Any lines, right right, right, So he was really just
like transporter chief you know, number one, basically.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
More security guard number one. Whoa. He's actually in total
fifty two Next Generation episodes. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
that's the thing is if you're in fifty two episodes
and it feels like you're in half as many. They're
not giving you a ton of lines. You know, he's

(23:16):
he's he's featured here and there. He's heavily featured in
a few episodes, but you know, he's that's a guy
that was growing.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
So this is fifty two over the total of his
ten year on Next Generation.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
So out of the seven seasons he did fifty two. Yes,
and he didn't come on until what season two or three?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
No, he was in the first episode, if you'll remember,
he was in a red uniform and he was on
the battle bridge. He was like he was in the
pilot's position, and he was in the battle bridge when
they separate the saucer from the ship, you know, like that,
and they kind of split off and they go and
he was the Battlebridge guy, you know, pilot And his

(24:04):
name in the episode was Battlebridge Lieutenant. He didn't even
actually have a name until his second appearance. But he's
been there since episode one one, and they just kept
bringing him back because they liked him. This was a
guy that was just going to have like a line
and be done, and I think they just kept liking

(24:25):
him and bringing him back and bringing you know, apparently
he's a fun, gregarious guy that people like.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
So oh yeah, no, he's the amazing guy. I did
also remember doing I remember reading some of Gene Rodenberry's notes,
and I think one of them was talking about it

(24:50):
was a letter that he wrote to the studio.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yes, yeah, you're right, questing.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
For an Irish American actor being more present.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
It was somebody saying they need more Irish or something like,
oh we happen to have a guy.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, so I think so.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
I wonder if that had influence on him getting more
more absolutely visible. Yeah, And and you know who was that?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
It was our Trek Talks guy, John Billingsley.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
No, not Trek Talks, you know, Trek.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Expert guy, Larry Nemaicek, Larry Necheck.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
You know. He this what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
cut that five seconds and send it to him. Yes,
it's Sarak Loten saying that Trek expert guy. And I say,
Larry Nemacheck, and you said, yeah, there is no bigger
compliment than saying trek expert. And the first name people
throw out is your name. That's pretty big time.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, he's the expert.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
So and he's the one that produced the archives of
the Roddenberry five emails that were sent. I think Roddenberry
went to a convention and while he was there, one
of the fans asked questions about the presence.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Of uh.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Irish American actors or something to that effect, and that
he forwarded that interest from the fan back to the studios.
And so I thought that was interesting that Larry Nemichek
was able to produce that document.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
But you know, fifty two episodes is essentially like roughly
two seas eight episodes. It's eight episodes a season, yeah, yeah,
seven or eight between there, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know that's uh that means he probably was on
you know, at some point of probably ten episode uh split,
you know, because they do these contracts weird.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
So in the beginning he probably wasn't guaranteed any episodes.
It was just a Battlebridge guy.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
And then somewhere along the line they offered him a
per you know, something per twenty six, so maybe ten
out of the twenty six, thirteen out of twenty six whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
You Yes, So we've got the breakdown of the I
got something to point out here, but we've got to
jump on our break So we will enjoy a wonderful break.
Do a little slip and slide and we'll be right
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was set to the Igo sector to observe a remote

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plasma streamer. Lieutenant Barkley's certain feeling is mortal terror. Plexing
is stimulating a nerve point a star bas At zara
Fore's entire system was infested with Tilarian hook spiders. The
Ferengier claiming two of their freighters were destroyed by Kardassian warship.
Lieutenant Barkley saw something in the transport matterstream. Chief O'Brien

(28:24):
has been transporting people for twenty two years and he
hasn't lost anyone yet. There hasn't been a case of
transport psychosis, and over fifty years, Lieutenant Barkley appears inordinately
preoccupied with his physiological condition. Chief O'Brien found his pet, Christina,
the lycosa tarantula on Titus four. Mouthful anyway, So Chief

(28:46):
O'Brien first star trek role episode one Encounter at far Point,
and the role was battle Bridge khn co n N.
That's like the pilot guy or the whatever. And then
his second episode was episode six of tng Lonely among

(29:11):
Us and he played security guard one, so he went
from the guy you know, pushing buttons at the console
to a security guard before he became the transporter guy.
And those were his only two episodes in season one.
Then in season two, three and four, he had like

(29:34):
like you mentioned, ten episodes, looks like exactly one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.
So he had eleven, eleven and eleven in seasons two,
three and four and then it tapers back off. So
that was the meat of when they had him, and
then he finally got a name was his Yeah. Oh

(29:55):
so then in the second season he wasn't even Chief
O'Brien yet, he was Transporter Chief. And then his third
fourth episode Transporter Chief, fifth episode Transporter Chief then starting
on his sixth episode, he finally was the guy we
know in love chief Miles O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Wow, so he went nameless.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
What a journey, What a journey.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
For more than a seasonless actually, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Five episodes. That's so funny. He was just the guy
at the con, then he was a security guard, then
he was a transporter guy, and then they're like night
as well. Maybe that's when they got the email, and
so he's like, okay, well, let's transporter chief. Oh Brian,
Brian couldn't be anymore irish O'Brien. Let's have him transporting

(30:47):
with one hand and drinking some whiskey in another.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, I can't think of a bigger Irish starred than
Colin means, you know, as big as the kids, uh uh,
you know, being a movie star, at a television star,
at all of his accomplishments. So they picked the right guy,
that's for sure. And I'm glad to see him because,

(31:11):
for one, he really rattles off that techno babbel very well.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's pretty damn good.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
And you know, like you mentioned that Jordie is probably
the best at and I wouldn't disagree with you. I
think Jordie is the best, and I think O'Brien is
a close number two. I think Data is because he's
a robot. I kind of expected from him almost, but

(31:43):
I feel like it's Jordie O'Brien and then Data as
far as the techno Babbel Masters. And then the other
thing I like to see in this episode was O'Brien
getting his hands dirty, kind of taking apart that and Supporter.
You got to see it on the floor was lit
up and you know, and he got a sleeve rolled up.

(32:04):
He's ready to you know, dig in there. And I'm like,
this is you know, Brian that we've come to know.
The guy's you know, literally working on the thing, you
know what I mean. He's got his in the panel,
he's taking out wires, he's rebrouting, you know, isolating her
chips and so, you know, he gets his hands dirty.
That's what I really like about this episode as well.

(32:27):
We got to see that, uh in full of fet
him actually you know, being the mechanic.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, you can really see the evolution of Chief Miles
O'Brien as I mean, the biggest evolutions Miles O'Brien, wharf Nog.
I feel like those were the big like where Nog
starts off as just the little rascal nephew that steals
something and maybe they'll use him again, maybe they won't,

(32:57):
you know, And then he turned into what he became.
Wharf was he was back behind Tasha Yar, not just
in the chain of command, but literally behind her with
his back to the camera, pushing buttons. And then Tasha
Yar leaves the show or dies the character does. Wharf

(33:19):
is now front, you know, facing the camera at security,
big bump. His role grows, grows, grows, transfers over to
Deep Space nine, becomes really big, same thing with Chief O'Brien.
Start off as like a nameless guy doing it something.
Then they put him somewhere else, then they put him
at the transport, and now he's becoming like a real

(33:39):
engineer working with data and Jordan. You could really see
the evolution. And then Deep Space nine same as Wharf,
super big, super important, and that's why he basically disappears
after this. He has only two episodes after this one
for the rest of TG because at this point he

(34:00):
hops over to Dee Space nine.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Okay, yeah, did Space nine just started up? So he's
going to expand his role even further with this.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
So that's good. You know, I think I did a disservice,
and I have a correction to me. I think I had.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I had Chief O'Brien number two on techno babble, and
I think I'm wrong, as when I reflect on it,
I have to say it's doctor Beverly Crusher is number
two with.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
All of her tri quarter zines. Yeah, he's tri quarter zine. Yeah,
that's a tough the medical texo babbel.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, if you don't know that, if you're not a
doctor like Anne Marie Siegel, and it doesn't flow easily
because you don't know what the hell you're talking about,
you know. But she she she rattles off that medical
stuff like this, and it sounds very No. I don't

(35:01):
even question it, right, I don't even like, what is
she talking about.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
She's going to scan the lower epidural for microbial you
know whatever. You know.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I just like, Oh, she's the doctor, she's what she's doing.
She's going to run the test, she's gonna check for
this or that.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
So her.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Technobabble is also in the science category, but it's in
a different department than engineering, but it's still difficult, nonetheless,
to be able to ravel off medical terminology totally because
those words are difficult too.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's a very good point. It's a different kind of technobabble,
but it is technobabble nonetheless. Also, here's something to look at.
Here's an image I found that's pretty fun. It's our
old pal Dan Curry. Well we love going all the
way up practically to his shoulder. Clearly he you know,

(36:01):
made and probably played the worm. Guy. I was shocked
to find out that was somebody's hand playing the mouth.
That's a did not explain. That didn't seem like a
thing to me.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I want to get that looked at.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
He got to put some some lotion on, that's for
damn sure, Like this is too much.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
So that was what the worm was? Okay, it it was.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
A long ass glove. Somebody was like, well what it
was was? Apparently somebody was like, hey, Dan Curry showed
me some glove and any No, I don't know. I
don't know. I just you you told me to say that.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Otherwise there's no way I would have anyway.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Glad Dan was wearing it on his arm.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, See, you could be worse than I am. You
could say something anyway. But yeah, back to this episode,
I like.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
That, were you okay with plexing? Did that make you
like think about anything?

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Or I'll tell you why I thought planking. I'll tell
you why I was not okay with the plexing. When
I first watched this episode way back when, I like
probably everybody else in the world went like this.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I didn't. I didn't too.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I was like, I don't feel anything, there's no nerve
back here, feel better betazoid.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So I have the exact same physiology as humans too,
Like I don't know, we all we all did it.
We went like this at first. We're like, oh, that's cool,
that's fun. Am I doing it right? It looks like
it works on Barkley. What's going on here? It feels weird?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
It made me think of because they I've seen this
in a different movie completely.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I want to say it was in.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Bad Boys with Will Smith and Martin Lawrence where Martin
Lawrence has to.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Say wusa ousa.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Every time he feels like he's getting, you know, anxiety,
so he would always do the wo saw woosa, And
it made me think, you know, this is a thing
that they do, Like there is a clinical kind of
evaluation of deep breath deep breathing. There's these kinds of

(38:39):
you know, repeating these phrases or whatnot, and you know,
there's all there's all kinds of ways that people say,
this is how you should deal with stress, right, And
so I thought, okay, well that's clever.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
They came up with something.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
And then it made me think, is there something back
here that active made you know?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And of course you know I didn't feel anything.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
No, you know, it could ha work.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
He did play it really well.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
He did. But you know what could have worked there
is something that is not provably false. For example, they
could have just said, hey, the universal translators right here,
we found that if you tap on the Universal's translator,
it's kind of connected. It gives little jolts or something
like that, because then we can't test that. We're like, oh, wow,

(39:30):
the universe, there's a little glitch in the universal translator. Cool.
But to say something like that, we're like, wait, I
can do that and it doesn't do anything for me,
or maybe it does. Maybe it's a real thing, you know,
it's entirely anyway. But that was just kind of the
one thing where I was like I remember that as
a kid, going like that's not that's na. But anyway, yeah,
I did laugh a lot, like when you know, obviously

(39:54):
we're talking about when he was looking up at the
symptoms Barkley was, but also when what was he doing?
Oh oh, he kept checking his pulse and engineering and
then Data says something and kind of stops and like
looks at him like he's a total idiot, Like he's
like what the like the look on Data is for

(40:15):
for an android. He always does a great job of
showing us exactly the mood that we're thinking right now,
like what is he what? He's just kind of confused,
So that made me laugh. Data's looking, you know, just
his look was great. What else was there?

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Oh oh oh yeah, when when Jordie was like, hey, Barkley,
okay up there and he was like yeah fine.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Wayne, he said, it was like bro, you're not fighting.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
And he kept drinking water like that was like a
running gag. After that, He's like walking around just drinking
water and checking and and all that. Or at the
beginning when Jordie is like okay, you know, we're gonna
do this thing and Barkley was like, okay, see later
and Jordie's says, well, no, we're gonna need systems engineer
on this thing. And Barkley's like, oh yeah, Lieutenant Dern
and he starts like, you're gonna go do this thing

(41:11):
right here, and he's like, no, Barkley, you anyway. Just
this whole episode.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
It was was amazing because of those beats right there.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
There was another one too, where.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Oh when they're transporting and uh, O'Brien says.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
There's a problem with the plasma and.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Oh, he says to him, he says, uh, it's gonna
be a.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Bumpy, right, and and he turns and says what and
then he catches himself like I was about to yell
at this guy, right, and he kind of grabs himself
and he's like, what did you mean by a bumping?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Just the way he did that in general, I thought
that was just hilarious. His nervousness, acting twitches, It's like
it's on par with the best. This is part of comfortable. Yeah,
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's just fun to watch. He's just such a likable character.
I'd be curious to find out that if people don't
like the character and why, because I think he's just
so much fun to watch now. I also want to
point out that I would totally rock his Army green
pjs like that. I was like that, those are the
pretty cool those are definitely early nineties army green pjs,

(42:28):
and he rocked those things. Those were great. I was
very I was very happy to say. It took me
a second to notice that, but I was like, whoa,
what is he wearing? This is great?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Uh? Did you you know? And did you have I
had a real it was a it was a I
don't know what to say, but it was like the
moment when Barkley tells O'Brien, I'm giving you a direct order, right,
he kind of stood up for himself in a way

(43:01):
that we haven't seen him do.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, that was the That was the reversal of what
I was saying earlier when O'Brien was kind of telling
him what to.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Do, yes, and he to any and he actually, you know,
stood up and said, actually, I'm giving you a direct order.
And then I bro Brian's comeback was was great. He
was like, I just make observation.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
You don't have a trike quorder. You said, Yeah, when
trike quorder reading, He's like.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Oh, don't you want your tri cord. He's like, it's cool, man,
you can just help you out. It's okay. We don't
have to like be like this. So I wanted to
ask you this. Clearly, this episode was written specifically for Barkley,
no two ways around it. Do you think if Dwight

(43:50):
Schultz were not available, they would have scrapped the episode?
Or would they get some guest star of the week
to play that, to play a you know, Lieutenant Smith
to have this kind of adventure or do you think
they would lump it onto someone now it's Wharf's story,

(44:10):
But then I don't know how that would work because
we've seen them all transport a thousand times before and
they didn't freak out. So it I feel like it's
very hard if if if he were not available, they
would have had to scrap this episode. Am I wrong?

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I don't think they scraped episodes. I think they would
have just written it in a way that it was
a new person on the MHM. True, you know then,
or if you're gonna reassign it to somebody, Let's say
you've reassigned it to somebody. We haven't seen transport and
the only person that comes to mind is nurse ow.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I know I was thinking that too, but I was
like that, she's certainly not that kind of character, you.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Know, yeah, I mean, and she would play it a
lot differently, and not for comedy. She would play it
more probably for seriousness, and it would be the Nelts
would be different. You would need a guy who who
can play a little over the top, who you don't

(45:22):
know whether to believe or not, because that was the
element that kept you kind of guessing to some degree,
because you're like, is he really seeing things or not?
You know, like, you know, is his fear of the
transport causing him to hallucinate and see these things? Are

(45:44):
these things actually existing? And I think that was the
you know, that was the mystery, the problem to be
solved in this episode, right, And that's what they were.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Working to solve. Is he actually experiencing.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Something and and and that's that's, you know again, you know,
a transcending theme where I don't know how many times
I've heard this before, where somebody would say they have
a pain, or they hear a ringing in their ear,
or there's something that's bothering them, but a doctor can't

(46:18):
find anything wrong with them. And a doctor runs test
and they're like, there's nothing wrong with you. You're perfectly fine.
You're like, yeah, but my cant get this ringing out
of my ear, and how do I you know, It's like,
you can't prove something that doesn't necessarily have evidence, therefore
it right unless you're really good at finding the evidence.

(46:40):
But you know, and so there's people who go through
this all the time where they're actually I feel like
they're they're going crazy because they can't get a clinical diagnosis.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah on something.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Doctor says, well, nothing came up in your blood scans
or blood screening, nothing came up in this, nothing came out,
And you're like, well.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I have a pain in my chest when I read run.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Keep trying, I guess is the answer. The answer is
not you just stop doing it. The answer is doctor
needs to you know, keep trying. Speaking of keeping on trying,
it's rock. It's already time for the home run of
today's episode. I don't know, I don't know if it's
gonna be too tough for us today, but we'll.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
See, uh too tough. No, this is not tough. But
you know, There's one.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Guy who I didn't give a full out.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Props to, and that is Cliff Bowll.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I know that Jason Oakan is going to go into detail.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
About what he did that was so good, and I'll
let him finalize that. But I do think Cliff Bill
did give us a variety of looks on this ship
that were you, The angles that he chose when Schultz
was upstairs and was looking up at him, the covering
of that other spaceship that they were, the starship, the

(48:10):
uss Yosemite that they were aboard, all of it seemed
very well. I like the coverage in this episode was fluid,
it was smooth, it was good. So good job to you, football.
And then the home run is kind of easy for
me because the guy is like, you know, he's just
too good. It's Dwight Schultz, the man. The man is

(48:34):
just you know, I'm surprised he didn't go on to.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
Have more.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
To be is, have his own series or television shows afterwards.
Maybe he was, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Done with acting, but he's just so talented and he
plays these quirky characters as good as anybody I've ever
seen play these.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Kinds of quirky characters.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I'm looking at his IMDb right now, and it is
very long. It is extensive, and no surprise, he does
a lot of voiceover. He'd be great for voiceover, of course,
because he really knows how to you know, add things
and really, you know, give out a lot of emotion.

(49:21):
He was only in five episodes of Star Trek. This
was his third. This was this was his third episode
of Star Trek. But he's already found a nice little
nook in Star Trek lore.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
But yeah, they never come to conventions because I've never
seen him Medican.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
No, certainly, not for a long time. I might be
able to answer that question pretty quickly. As far as STLV,
which would be kind of the big one for him,
he did once in two thousand in seven, so maybe

(50:05):
before that, but at least in the last twenty five years,
one time in two thousand and seven. So Home Run
of the Day goes to Dwight Schultz for me too,
because he was kind of like what we were talking about,
like he was like the Shaquille O'Neal of this episode.
He was the chosen one. They wrote the episode for him.
He was available, he took it. He knocked out of

(50:27):
the Park. The episode was about him. He did it well.
It was a fun episode personally. I liked it easy,
you know, start to finish, concept to television set. It
was all made for Dwight Schultz and a plus home
run and any other metaphor you can use. So that's

(50:49):
it for us, everybody. That was a fun one. I
really liked this episode. Yeah, we'd like to give a
very special thanks to our pals, doctor Ann, Marie Siegel,
even Eve England out in Wales, you Vet black Man,
Tom tj Jackson, bay Ott, Misserra, Titus Moueller, doctor Mohammad
Nora and Neil oh Platte, Joe Balceeradi, Mike Gou, doctor
Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent, Faith Howl, Edward Foltz, the mat Boardman,

(51:14):
Chris McGee, Jake Barrett, Henry Hunger, Allison Leech, Hide, Julie Menasfi,
Jed Thompson, doctor Susan V. Gruner, Glenn Iverson, Dave Gregory,
Chris Sternett, greg Ka Wickstrom, Cassandra g and of course
Oh Chris Garris, Steve Case, Oliver Manali and of course

(51:35):
Jason the m Oakin and Chuck a Miss chuck A
there he is, chuck A, there is all right. That's
it for us. Everybody stick around. We've got the free
for all up next. It's gonna be fun. We'll be
right back on the seventh Rule.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
Welcome back to the seventh Rule with some rock lofton
Yellow game Changer Laughton. I can't leave that far that
Srack the game changer Laughton.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
And we have with us doctor Mohammed nor Is in
the house again, woo.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
Yay, and Alison Lee Chied and Eve England out in Wales,
Chuck A, I get Carrie Schwitz, Crafty Bear and Jason
m Okay.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Oh, and Chris McGee. We can't forget Chris McGee.

Speaker 9 (52:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Ryan t Husk is lingering, but he's a bit under
the weather today, so we're going to try and power
through unfortunately without him. So we'll get started with Jake
Cisco guesses. The MDB score.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Well, you know, as Ryan and I were talking in
the review, and I really liked this episode, and I
think it's going to score well almost in nine, I
would say, but I'm going to give it an eight
point eight.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Anyone else have any guesses that don't already know.

Speaker 9 (53:23):
That point.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I'm going to go some point eight as well.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Yeah, same here.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
One.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Okay, So the guesses are in and the score is
a seven point three. I don't know which basketball players
like that is.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
You can't make my tambo.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
So check A came closest without going over. And did
we have any nams in this episode?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I didn't catch any new.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Chris McGee, I know you caught us some kind of
I know there's at.

Speaker 10 (54:10):
Least was that because you caught one as well I did. Indeed,
it was Barkley describing what he saw in the matter
stream to Jeordie, saying, at first I thought it was
some kind of energy discharge.

Speaker 9 (54:26):
Yep. Great.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
So we're gonna start with Jason Oakin. Tell us what
you thought of this episode.

Speaker 11 (54:35):
Well, it's an interesting one from various perspectives, and I
think the views can be kind of polarizing depending.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
On what you like I don't like.

Speaker 11 (54:43):
I think my personal views changed on it over the years.
I didn't used to like it as much as I
do now, and I think most of it is really
carried by the performances. I mean, it's certainly built around
d White Schultz and it lets them sort of go
and when he's very very creative. Based on how you
know things are described in the script, he is very creative.
I think again the show is built around him. I

(55:07):
think Marina is very good in this, and so its
LeVar as always when when they're given things to do,
because they're sort of the primary drivers of the episode.
I think what may drag this down a little bit
and what the perceptions may be like is, frankly, I
don't think it was shut well. I think you know,
there's a certain level of sort of fear and creepiness

(55:29):
that should go with I guess Barkley's reaction. But the
only way we sort of perceive that is through Dwight
Schultz's performance, which is great, but he is not being
aided by I guess the camera if you will. There's
one scene in particular that I'll just give you an
example of. It's at the very beginning. I think it's
seen eight sort of toward the beginning, when the EWEIT

(55:49):
team is on board the Yosemite and wharf talks about
you know, something's going on. He goes around with the
tricorder and says, oh, there's something going on in the
transporter pad and we kind of see him trail off
into the distance, while shouldn't the.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Camera be going with him?

Speaker 11 (56:05):
And that is what I'm talking about, is sort of
you're kind of sitting there, kind of looking at the action.
You point the camera at the actors and let them act.
It's again, it could have been done a little bit
more creepily. Or when Barkley goes to bed and you
just kind of see him in bed and that's it.
You're supposed to be kind of tossing and turning, and
I guess getting up is just it's lacking that kind
of I wouldn't say necessarily horror, but in a way,

(56:29):
I think it doesn't bring forth the phobia that we're
supposed to experience along with Barkley, and again it's carried
strictly by his wonderful, wonderful performance. And I think even
harkening back to the sort of the origins of this
and that nightmare at twenty thousand feet back in the
Twilight Zone days, I think even that was shot in

(56:50):
this sort of a shocking way where you get this
kind of a pushing close up and you get the sweat,
and you get this and you get that it's kind
of missing here, but again, I think it's enjoyable. Strictly
from the performance. I think they're just wonderful.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Great. Thanks, Thanks Jason m Okin. We're gonna go over to.

Speaker 6 (57:09):
Doctor Mohammad Nor tell us what you've thought about this episode.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Hello, good to see everybody. It was kind of an
average one in plot, but as Jason said, White Schultz
always brings in a really strong performance, so for me
that that leveled it up. I had three really quick observations.
Number one, I thought it was really ironic that O'Brien
kept on bringing up spiders with Barkley, since that was
what Barkley turned into back in the episode Evolution in
season three, when returned into a giant spider. It was like, oh,

(57:35):
look at that great semi callback. Those transporter creatures. I mean,
before we knew there was a there were people who
were kind of interesting. I was trying to fear of
what they were. They kind of looked almost like the
sandworms from Dune, but small versions. But I was trying
to think of something they look right, look like here
on Earth. The close I think it was like lamp prays,
which are like jawless fish that had like a suction

(57:57):
mouth with teeth, so I thought that that was kind
of neat and good, good design. I think I think
I read online that Dan Curry was one who is
who is doing them and the last few that I
totally agree with Barkley because I think transporters are one
hundred percent death machines and it's not the same that
at the other end, I'm one hundred percent with him
on all those things.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
It's it's the safest way to travel, mom, and according.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
To absolutely not that's what he said, but absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
It's totally a death machine. That's definitely not you at
the other end.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Alison Leech hid, I'm in New Mexico.

Speaker 9 (58:39):
What are your thoughts on this episode.

Speaker 12 (58:42):
I do like this episode because, as we all know,
Dwight Schultz as Barkley is wonderful. Every time he comes,
he brings his a game and he's so much fun
to watch. But I think it's a little slow because
there's only the one plot. We have no b plot,
and I missed Picard, Like we didn't have a lot

(59:03):
of Pocard, so like that's like my biggest like we
could have had more. I think I thought it was
a little slow, but yes, of course, LeVar Burton is
wonderful and Marina Sirtis is wonderful, and they are the
ones who care the most about Berkley. What I really
like about this episode is that no one shamed Barkley

(59:25):
ever in this episode. Like when he does come on
the away mission, all Riker says, I'm glad you could
join us, and I thought that was wonderful that no
one was shaming this this man for having a very
understandable fear because phobias aren't things we can control, and

(59:45):
they let him overcome it and come join and you know,
I thought that was really quite wonderful. I thought this
was a wonderful use of O'Brian too. You know, you
got all excited when you see the guest list and
we we've got Barkley, We've got O'Brien, we've got Nurso Gowa.
I'm like, it's all of our favorites. We just needed
Gynan in the ten forward scene and it would have

(01:00:08):
been perfect. So I guess that's my other nitpick. I'm like,
we needed Guynan to have it sit down with with
Berkley at the checker board, I guess is what he
was sitting at and I think that would have been
a wonderful scene. But of course she was just in
the last couple episodes, so she couldn't fit in, But
I thought that would have made this episode so much better.

Speaker 9 (01:00:31):
Yes, excellent points.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Thanks Allison, Eve England out in Wales.

Speaker 9 (01:00:39):
What are your thoughts of this episode? Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 13 (01:00:42):
I didn't love this episode, but there were lots of
aspects to it that I did really like. I mean, yeah,
I think the obvious one the discussion around the transporter
on someone actually having a favorite. That was really a
really interesting and cool idea because I don't think we've
ever really cut across that as a kind of topic
of conversation, even though we see loads of transporter accidents

(01:01:04):
all the time. So I completely agree that I was
a bit skeptical and surely was saying how safe it was, Yeah,
had like twenty accidents.

Speaker 9 (01:01:13):
A year or something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I was like, that's that's not great anyway.

Speaker 13 (01:01:18):
Yeah, I stort of thought it worked really well overall.
Picking up on what Allison said, I completely agree. It
was really refreshing to see that character development of the
crew from when we saw saw first of all Barkley,
when they were really belitting him and being quite quite
unthoughtful and not very great at all. So I thought
it was really nice to see them actually just respecting

(01:01:41):
him and taking and accepting the fact that he has
this phobia. On that though, I was a bit sort
of the fact that he hadn't disclosed it. So when
we were in Troy's room and he was saying that
he hadn't disclosed as before, and he was just trying
to get around it every time we had to get
on the transporter, that sort of I know, we've had
this conversation I think initially in that first episode he's

(01:02:01):
in where we're saying mental health support doesn't seem to
be where it should be even that far in the future.
And I thought what was interesting then on that is,
although we had Troy at the start taking him through
and giving him some tips, what I thought was interesting
and I guess another classic of use under use of
Deanna generally is actually the way he came through it

(01:02:23):
and got to the point where he did at the
end was really I didn't feel was Troy's doing. It
was more his conversations and just discussions with O'Brien and
with Jordie and how they guided him through that, so
I thought that was just a shame. But one thing
I kind of absolutely love some Your picture just reminded
me of that Melsa was she had a pink computer.

(01:02:47):
I was like, I want that computer. It was like,
I don't think I've as seen a computer before and
I've obviously missed it in her previous episodes, where I
was like, that is super cool, and I thought it
was really nice to touch how they just showed that
you have a bit of personality and in your office
in Star Trek, which is cool.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Yeah, that is super cool. And you know what else
I noticed was in the background on her table there.
I don't know if you can see it, it's probably rocks, but.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
I thought it was chocolate, and I thought that would
have been such the appropriate thing for Troy to have
in her office, was chocolate for her patients.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Did somebody say chocolate rock? Oh, you know you're talking
about something.

Speaker 9 (01:03:33):
Check A. What did you think of this episode? Did
you love it?

Speaker 14 (01:03:40):
I really liked this episode. You got a lot of
O'Brian as mentioned, and Barkley is always wonderful to see
you have. Each character seemed to have a little bit
to do with it except for a pricarda was mentioned.
I did think that the transporter psychosis that was mentioned

(01:04:05):
and he was asking the computer to explain it, and
you got a lot of major Barrett line after line
explaining the transporter psychosis was quite a bit of a
major in that. Uh you know that this goes back
to the original series that doctor McCoy didn't like the

(01:04:26):
transporter at all. He was always worried about his Adams
being scattered and that was also mentioned in Encounter at
far point, and also doctor Pulaski did not like the
transporter as well. So yeah, so Barkley, you know, had
had the fear going on, but it did turn out

(01:04:47):
to be justified after he's gotten some of that matter
stream on him and you know, and he's worried about uh,
he's not going to survive that, and he his time
in the transport order the matter stream was also very
very interesting to see his facial expressions and see how
he was dealing with that. I really did like the

(01:05:10):
episode considerably, and I know, column mean, he's not going
to be in too many more episodes because they're ready
to start DS nine, so I think he's only got
maybe another one or one after that, so it was
good to see that they gave him a good episode
and the interactions with Barkley was really great.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Awesome, Thank you so much, Chuck A. I like your shirt,
Quarks Quarks.

Speaker 14 (01:05:40):
The seventh rule is mentioned.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
Oh nice, awesome, Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear, What did
you think of this episode?

Speaker 8 (01:05:55):
It's a Berkeley episode, so I naturally love it. He
was my who I saw myself the most in until
until until, until Tilly, till Tilly came along. I definitely
feel his his his anxiety.

Speaker 9 (01:06:13):
When he's in the.

Speaker 8 (01:06:14):
Transporter room and one person after another is going and
every time the camera goes back to him, poor guy
is just sweatier and sweatier, and then he ultimately decides Nope, nope,
can't can't do it, can't do it. Like Allison, I
love how just yeah, just how gentile every everyone is
is with him, even when they're being being firm firm

(01:06:35):
about it, like with Troy in the hallway, she's like, yeah,
you're going through some stuff. I'm gonna temporarily leave your
duty so you can calm down and relax, and later
with with a card when he's gently asking him, do
you think this is dust in your head? Or is
he what exactly is going on? He's question questioning it?

(01:06:55):
But is but is nice nice about nice about it?
If that, If that makes any any sense at all,
I've goet, yeah, oh where's Yeah, yeah, my notes got
get a little scattered on me. I wrote them down
really really quickly. But yeah, the thing the thing with

(01:07:17):
my with my with Miles, it's I've noticed it allow
me to digress for a moment, but I've noticed with arecomphobia,
it seems to be generally people I've mentioned mentioned it
to seems to be a phobia. Not Unfortunately, not enough
people take seriously to towards those of us who suffer

(01:07:38):
from it, because inevitably, when I mentioned it, I almost
every time get a get a brief story of oh,
the biggest spider they've ever seen, or summer they were,
that they that they that they saw them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I don't need to know that.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
I'm telling you that I don't want to discuss it.
To stop, don't don't tell me that I don't I
don't want to know. And yeah, like I was saying
before at the beginning, if I was O'Brien, I would
not have gone in into into that that situation. No,
that thing absolutely would have would have would have blown up,
And we definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Did not need to see Christina at the end.

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
And I'm thankful that I have a very kind husband
who warns me when when things like this are coming up,
like every time we watch Lord of the Rings. I
know now exactly when to look away and when when
I when I can look again, when Roto and Sam
going to go into ste Sheilab's lair.

Speaker 9 (01:08:33):
But yeah, I lo I ad I adore Berkeley.

Speaker 8 (01:08:36):
I think he's I'm good. I think he's so much fun.
He is not in nearly enough enough episodes for me.
I loved when he's trying to I love when he's
trying to relax and he asks for more birds and
it goes from gentle to holy offered hitchcock batman like,
way way way too many birds. And he decides to

(01:08:58):
try to lay down, and he asks the computer for
soothing music. The music starts playing, and by itself, the
computer decides to turn the lights down down for him
because he did not tell the computer to turn the
lights down. And I want his pajamas. They looked very
very comfortable, unlike the material of the pillow he was

(01:09:20):
laying on. I've mentioned this before. I worked at a
fabric store. It's pretty to look at, but not so
pretty pretty to pretty to touch, and I would not
want to put my face up against that. And as
we were watching the episode, I very I've never had
a title for my limerick for the episode before, but
the title actually comes from the hobby. It's the second

(01:09:41):
time you see his arm going all glowy. He called Eric,
called him Sparkly Barkley. That is the name of this
particular Limeric is Sparkley Barkley. This wormlike thing attacked me
in the beam. It happened too fast, could not even
I wish I could just relax, but I have to

(01:10:03):
get the facts. I must know why my arm sparkles
and gleams.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
I liked the worm guys.

Speaker 8 (01:10:11):
They were cute and they definitely made me think of
done for absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
The movie. Excellent work Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear. Now
to close us out, kind of the dark Lord Chris McGee.

Speaker 9 (01:10:32):
With his It's a Jack shirt.

Speaker 10 (01:10:37):
Well, I enjoyed this episode. It's always a delight to
see Dwight Schultz playing Barkley again, even if he did
sing the overact a bit to me, but that's what
I love about him. I also love that we finally
get to see what transporting is like from the point
of view of the person transporting. And I do like
how this episode finally explains a little bit about transporting

(01:10:59):
and how some people fear it despite how safe it
has been made over the years. It's like how some
people just won't fly on an airplane despite all the
evidence that it is many times safer than driving current
FAA budget cuts. Notwithstanding, the opening shot reminds me of
the first shot during the title sequence of Star Trek.

(01:11:21):
Lower Decks a little bit anyway, just reminds.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Me of it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:26):
The autopsy scene is a little creepy. When Crusher and
Ogau will walk away from the body of Lieutenant Kelly,
the camera stays on that body and I fully expected
it to move and when it breathes, that's what I
would have noped out of there in a hurry. There's
an interesting prop sitting on the table someone else mentioned

(01:11:48):
it here on in ten four that Barkley fiddles with
a bit before he experiences his first little attack. Turns
out that item is a tabletop game that I owned
a copy of Once Upon a Time. The marketing for
it even call out how it was used on the show.
It's called Terrace. Never got the chance to play it though,
and I don't think I ever read the rules either,

(01:12:10):
so I don't know how it's played. Anyway, We will
see more of it next season. And finally, Insign Kellogg
is on WARF Security team as they rescue the Yosemite crew.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Now, finally, my.

Speaker 10 (01:12:27):
Memorable quote is Barkley quoting Troy apparently saying the best
way out is through.

Speaker 9 (01:12:35):
Awesome. Thanks so much, Chris Spighe.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
Now we have Jake's final take.

Speaker 9 (01:12:45):
What are your final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I like the scene when LaForge was able to see the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Biomagnetic energy, just a little extra gifts that he has
with his visor. I thought that Dwight Schultz is kind
of the progenitor for Lower Decks when I was watching
this episode. There's things about his behavior and it's not

(01:13:12):
the traditional military trained, composed guy. He has more personality,
and it reminds me of like how Lower Deck cast
has personality, and sometimes they say stuff that's awkward or
sometimes they shout out something you know, And so I

(01:13:34):
think that he might be like you know, one of
the first lower deckers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
So really an amazing performance.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Even though he's high ranking and he flexed his rank
in this episode, he still doesn't act like the rank
that he is, you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
He kind of has this newness to his behavior as
opposed to somebody who's been there for years like he
he is. So every time I hear the Heisenberg compensator,
of course, I'm going to think of Aaron Heisenberger.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
So when I heard that in the episode, of course
I was. I was glad to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
I'm not gonna, you know, ever, not think about it
when I hear that, so similar pronunciation of names.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
I also made a great point about how the crew
did in shame Barkley, and I would even say, go
step farther and say that they actually supported him, And
there were moments there where they could have doubted him
or called him crazy or say it's all in your head,
but they gave him the benefit of the doubt, each

(01:14:53):
one of them, from Troy to to O'Brien. When he said,
you know, let me double check the the compensator and
you can come check it with me, and it felt like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Everybody had that moment where they made.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
A decision in their head to take the extra step
to show that they're being supportive of him. Even Picard
in that moment when he said, I wouldn't have called
this meeting if I wasn't sure, you know, and Picard
thought about it like, yeah, he did wake us all up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
In the middle. You didn't wake me up in the middle,
So yeah, I guess you know, he must be some
you know, something's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
This is an emergency situation from his perspective, and I'm
going to treat it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And so I felt like everybody really extended themselves to
make him feel like he wasn't crazy and that he
also had a support system. So that was one of
the best things I enjoyed about watching the crew working
with him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Yeah, I thought that the alien microbe also mentioned and
tremors and and do and but I also thought it
looked like mister Hanky from South Park, so that would
have been it's a crazy find. And then you know,
my last thing is uh.

Speaker 15 (01:16:16):
Yeah, when he said wake the senior staff, I thought
to myself, that's the job that you don't want, right O'Brien,
is like, why do what happen right, like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
You you know what I mean, you outrak me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
I'm not the communications guy, you know, I'm the engineer guy.
Now I've got to call up Captain and say, hey, Captain,
wake up, it's Barkley.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Barkley has an emergency. Now you're putting it off on me, right.
So I thought that was kind of like.

Speaker 15 (01:16:50):
If I was O'Brien, I would have reacted to that like, yeah, no,
I know it was a direct order.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
But it's like I don't want that job. Uh, always
the messenger in that moment, you know. So yeah, that's
my final take. I really think Dwight Schultz was fantastic.
He carried this episode when I saw him in it originally,
and as soon as I saw him, I was like, oh,
this is gonna be an episode. I like, he's enjoyable
to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
He's funny, he's he's you know, he's so expressive with
his facial expressions and he just gets you wrapped up
in what he's feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
And I think he's an exceptional actor.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
So, you know, I kind of understand what you were saying,
Jason about Cliff Bowle and the decisions he made.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
It was a little bit clunky. It was a little
bit choppy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
There was some things that I liked, but for the
most part, it was a little bit clunky and choppy
for you know, what the story was.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
And but Dwight said, you know what, when it was
time for his close ups, he walked right into them,
you know, and he in his face would light up,
and so like, this guy's a pro and he knows,
he knows what he's doing, so it doesn't matter what
the director's doing, White's gonna be like, is it my
close up?

Speaker 8 (01:18:06):
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Let's go? And I think he just time and time again,
was just showed us how.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Well he grasped this character because he plays with it,
he has fun with it, and he gives us I'm
sure stuff that's not on the page because there's so
many things where he's just giving face facial expressions and
you can see his mind working.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
So I enjoyed it. You know, I thought it'd be
ranked higher.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
I'm actually surprised it's not as high as it normally
would be. But I enjoyed it thoroughly. It was a
good watch for me. I walked away smiling. So what's
my final take?

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Yay? Thanks Rock lofton the convert checking nerd. So thanks
for joining Gus. That's the seventh rule.

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