Be-Hugh-tiful | With Jonathan del Arco | TNG 5.23, "I, Borg" | T7R #351 - The 7th Rule -- A Star Trek Podcast with DS9's Cirroc Lofton

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The enterprise is charting six star systems that make up
the Our goal is cluster. Jordi thinks the name three
of five suits Hugh. And when Guydan scored two touches
last week, she fenced well enough, but today she keeps
letting the cart inside. Hello, everybody, and welcome to the
Seventh Rule. Was sir rock Lofton.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, Hello, My.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we're doing a review
of Star Trek the Next Generation Season five, episode twenty
three you Guessed It? I Bored? Written by Renee Etcheveria,
directed by Robert Liederman. This was May ninth, nineteen ninety two.
Where were you? You guys are in luck? We haven't
you remember? Well? You remember where you were? We have

(00:42):
a very special guest you guys. He knows exactly where
he was at the time, in front of his TV
watching his episode. It's Hugh himself, Jonathan del Arco.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
How are you today, sir, Hey, how are you guys?

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Awesome?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Awesome, It's so good.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I was I was just thinking before I came on,
not where I was when.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
It aired, but where I was when I auditioned for it,
which was like two months prior. Perfect it was, and
I was trying to remember because I've never talked about this,
because who talks about like when the audition for something necessarily?
But I remember I was in this dumpy apartment. I
had moved to LA from New York like a year prior,

(01:23):
and I had literally like a futon on the floor,
and I was going to go to a pre premiere
of a movie. I had done some little part, and
I got the script for I Borg and got completely
engrossed in reading it.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
But I had to lead, so I left.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Went to this thing, came back and stayed up all
night reading it and working on it. And I had
no VCR, no TV, no VHS, even of the best
of both worlds.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
So I had no clue none what a boarg was
other than what was on the page, and I had.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
It was so well written that it you didn't need
to have the reference.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
It was all on the page right, it was clear.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
And I remember I had like all morning to prepare
for it, and I made all these decisions about how
to do the part and how he should be and
how he should dress and all this shit. And yeah,
I was just thinking like I had like literally nothing,
we had no.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I had nothing, but.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
This great role came along, and I don't know how
I was lucky enough to get it.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
You know, well, well obviously because of your performance. Yeah,
you know a one in this episode. Do you remember
the scene at all that you had the audition for?
Was it the piccard kind of climax in this episode?
Was it one of the Jordan scenes.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
It was not the Jordy scene.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Definitely the scene with Picard in the ready room where
I try to figure out.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Oh no, there was a Jordy scene.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
It's the first scene where I where I'm kind of
a badass board full on board.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
So they had that one.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
Was the first one where I'm like, you are you
will be assimilated and Jordie's like, that's nice, I just
fed you whatever he says.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
To me, like nice play buddy or whatever.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
It was that one, and then it was the one
where he softens and has become human and doesn't want
Jordy to die.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Yeah, And I mean obviously, you know, you talked about
the script jumping out at you, and the episode jumps
out at me as being, you know, one of the
exceptional episodes of this series because of the writing, you knowing,
you know, does a fantastic job of really playing on

(03:51):
our emotional you know strings of this episode. Can you
tell me, was that the thing that really interests you
about the role? Like, is that what the meat of
getting into this humanity of this person? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Absolutely, to be honest, you know, I had I had
roved to La after I had lost a partner to
AIDS and he had gone through a period of dementia
where he didn't he couldn't.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Know anybody, didn't know anybody was it was this.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Very innocent person emerged when the dementia happened, Like all
the personality traits of this person were like gone, and
what was left was kind of this childlike wonder and
incredible openness.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
And that's the voice in my head that I heard
was that person. So it had a lot.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Of emotional punch for me because I had just gone
through that experience and like was a caretaker for this person,
and it just really like it was very very very
easy for me to slip right into that which I
had watched right and had all this personal stakes for

(05:05):
me personally, right, So everything that was happening for my
character in this role was incredibly internal and helped by
the fact that I.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Was completely covered in rubbert whatever, you know, Like I didn't.
I didn't have that much. I didn't have that many.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Options for physicality, so it was restricted, which made it
for filmmaking. It's the best, right because then it's all
just happening here and then in your eyes.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
So, Yeah, it wasn't hard. It wasn't a hard role
for me to play. It was very I just slipped
right into it. It's really kind of amazing. That is experience.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, had you ever seen or heard of Star Trek,
but I mean you've you'd heard of it? Did you
have any knowledge of it? Or were you just saying,
you know what this is, knock it out.

Speaker 8 (05:53):
No.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I tested for the role of Wesley when I was
living in New York.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, so maybe you can tell us a little bit
about that, did you actually yeah, Jean Rod.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, when I was in I never met Jean. When
I was in New York, we would test for things,
or you know, you when you're a young actor in
New York, I'm doing Broadway and stuff, you get a
lot of We used to get a lot of opportunities to.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Test for things in LA So it would be like
they would put you on tape and they would send
it off and I got pretty far.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
My tape went to I'm sure Jean saw it. You know,
when you're testing for a role, it's down to like
you and three other people or whatever. So I was
one of one of those three or four or five
or whoever whatever the number was, the people that were up.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
For the role of Wesley.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
And when the series aired, I was like two pissed
to watch it.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's like, I'm not watching that.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
So I had never but as a kid, I was
a huge fan of the original series. So when I
moved to the to the US in the nineteen seventies
as an immigrant from Uruguay, I learned English watching TV
and one of the shows I watched was Star Trek.
I'd be like, have it on late at night and
I would just watch TV, watch TV all the time,

(07:09):
and that like in six months, I learned English watching
TV and Star Trek was one of my rotations of
shows that I would that I would watch. So it's
always I always wanted to be a vulcan you know
what I mean? Like I had my I had like
the things I wanted to do on Star Trek, which
I've never done. But but yeah, the Borg I didn't
know what they were because they didn't get developed until

(07:31):
the series had already you know, gone into season whatever.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
It was four three when the cliffhanger happened.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
So, so you mentioned you hadn't seen a Borg, and
you get the job and you obviously you know, killed
in the audition. Then then they get you for a
wardrobe makeup session, and what are you thinking?

Speaker 5 (07:52):
I am thinking, I just realized, I'm I'm thinking what
actually happened. Was I awakened to my clustera and I
was like, oh shit, I'm plumsterphog.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
It's is gonna be a big problem. It was rough.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
I mean, I remember they didn't tell me what the
costume was, and they didn't they didn't say, by the way,
you're gonna get into this like full bodysuit, and then
we're gonna put another one over that, and then we're
gonna start adding pieces on you which you're not gonna
be able to remove, like because the costume was made
of other pieces. They didn't make one just for me.
Too expensive for I got star, I guess, so I was.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I was.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
I was covered in parts of other borg that had
been used in the best of both worlds. So they
were just trying to fit like a calf and like
a so I couldn't just take it off, like if
I had to go to the bathroom or if I
had like a panic attack. It was on and I
didn't know. I remember them zipping me into the body
suit and I'm like, should I go to the bathroom?

(08:52):
They're like, do you want to go to the bathroom today?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
That was like what today?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, which at my age now, that would definitely not work.
They would really have that would definitely not work. But
at that age, you're like.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
I could, I could hold it for ten hours or whatever,
but yeah, No, it was pretty intense. The wardrobe was
the hardest, Like that was just it was torture. I mean,
the bald cap came all the way here, so there
was no air coming in there, and then it was
all the way to my back, and then all that
rubber stuff was on top of it. So I had

(09:28):
about thirty five pounds, Like the top part was like
thirty five pounds that was digging into.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
My hips and my back. I mean, it was it
was pretty brutal.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So you lost fifteen pounds that week.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Basically probably probably. I know, my back was completely jacked
after after soaking wet, like yipping, you know what I mean,
at the end of the day when we did when
we did the other two episodes, the follow ups, not
that we're going to talk about them, but we had

(10:01):
a ton of stunt men that were in the same
thing passing out. We shot that other one, we shot
it in summer. Yeah, here we are. It does get
over one hundred in LA right, Yeah, And it was
hotter than hell, and I was I was used to
it by that. I would like to take the because
the rubber would come off the head piece and I
would just flip it over during my breaks and just

(10:23):
get a bunch of air and then Michael Westmore would
have to glue me back in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Would love Michael Westmore though, that dude is Oh my god.
Did you Did you have any any thoughts on the
cast that you worked with. Was anybody particularly easy or
fun to work with or was it just season five?
Everybody's just professional getting their work done.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
It was great. The one that absolutely stands out in
my mind is Whoopy because she was extraordinarily kind. I mean,
I was a fan of Whoopee so I'm like, oh shit,
I'm gonna work with I have a scene.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
With Whoopee, Like what kid gets that opportunity she just
won the oscar or something.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
And she comes in beaming.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
I mean, she's just a radiant person, and she's like,
look at you, aren't you cute?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Whatever?

Speaker 5 (11:10):
She We had this exchange and then she insisted that
we do my coverage first, which is the filming part
where you're the one on camera. And she was like, no, no, no, no, no,
the kids and a lot of stuff. Get him covered.
So she insisted on that and like made my day
to like be so kind and like so generous.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I love that scene too. And then and then when
we were done, she's like, come back and see me
after you get out of makeup. So I like got
out of all my stuff and I said to her, and.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
She didn't recognize you one bit.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
She was like, oh my god, you're so cute.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
It was great, It was great.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
So she was great.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Brent was hilarious, Gates was very friendly. Patrick obviously, LeVar
I remember LeVar. I remember I was dying and drinking
a co cola like at eight in the morning and
He's like, he's like, you shouldn't be doing that.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's really not good for you. I'mke but I'm but
it's like coffee. He's like, no, it's like Coca cola.
He was very like LeVar was very like dad with me,
you know, like you shouldn't be drinking that crap. So, yeah,
everybody was great and nobody was jaded.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I feel like I guess the show was just.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Hitting its stride with the fans, you know, So I
don't think I gote anybody's head, you know what I mean.
Everybody was very friendly and really fun atmosphere to be
a part of.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
You know.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Yeah, I mean this is like gooding towards the end
of the season and people are they've already put in
twenty something episodes so far. Yeah, Mike, I wanted to
ask you about, you know, because you're coming in as
somebody who's disliked by all the characters. Yeah, and basically like, yeah,

(12:59):
it was Was there any sense of that that like
carried over or was it just only on camera?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Like the friction there?

Speaker 5 (13:09):
I mean, you know, the truth is they'd already evolved.
They were already knew that they were they were going
to have to fall in love with me, right, so
that was already in their head. I'm sure, and you
you couldn't. The thing about the character is you couldn't
hate him. It was very difficult. Even when when he
was being a board he was incredibly cute, right, Like

(13:31):
it was designed in such a way to be like,
oh that you don't want to hate him, right, I
mean that's the whole point of the episode, is like to.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Make an enemy. How do you make an enemy? You know,
be vulnerable?

Speaker 7 (13:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
So yeah, that that that's no. I didn't have any
any experience like that. Everybody was really great and matter
of fact, everyone on the lot.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
When I got into wardrobe and they drove me for
approval because they were too busy to come to like
the skate to see, they put me in a golf
cart and took me and like crew members from other
shows started coming out and.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Be like the borg are bad.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Like they were like looking out there, and I was like,
I don't know what just happened, because I have no
idea what this is, but apparently this is a very
popular you know, creature race or whatever you want to
call it.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's like then Lizzie said the Borger back in town. Yeah.
So it's no secret Jonathan that this is an A
plus performance by you, really freaking phenomenal, which is why
they bring it back in subsequent episodes and in Picard
really happy about that. But I don't know what was
in your head when you were actually shooting the episode.

(14:44):
Was there a particular moment or a line where you thought,
I totally nailed that one. They're gonna love this one.
Was there a moment there where you're like, I got this.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
One, yeah, because I get like emotionally when I even
think about it even now, which is like crazy. But
when he says we are all still alone to whippe
m yeah, and she's like, what you know, like you

(15:16):
know we are alone?

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Like the concept that this person understands loneliness, right, that
that's like that was the that's the key to that
character is. I think I think the reason people respond
to it is that we all experience loneliness either as
children definitely, as you know, we get older and we are,

(15:40):
you know.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Senior citizens.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
You know, you end up alone, like the old saying,
you know, you come into the world alone, you leave alone.
I think loneliness is it's a big part of a
human experience, and I think it's just so triggered, such
a trigger for people, right, And the character was a
classic case of isolation and loneliness seeking friendship connection. We
had been disconnected from his family, you know. So yeah,

(16:06):
that line we are we are also lonely is the
one that that I was like, there's something really powerful happening,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
You could you know, you know, st when you're doing
the series or play or whatever work you're doing. You know,
when you're doing something that's like ooh, you get the
goosebumps and you're like, this is special. And it has
to do with like so.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Many things that are out of your control, like the writing,
who you're acting with the moment, how prepared you are,
how you're clicking into the character. It's like one of
those knowing moments you're like, well, this is going to last,
Like this is a moment in my work that is
going to permeate throughout my life. And its I mean,

(16:49):
I'm still talking about a job I did for a week,
you know, nineteen ninety two, just bananas, you know, but
part you know what.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
I think he did very well as a guest star
in this episode. The scenes that you had were opposite
a lot of heavy hitters in this you know, you're
you're up against will Be Goldberg in a scene, right.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean you're like what, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
You got Patrick Stewart over here addressing you down as
a board, which is my favorite part scene. I just
enjoy that full trickery.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, heavy hitters.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah, you're and you shine in a personal way with
each one of them.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I felt like you make a connection with each character.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
And and and in a way that is almost like
it's funny because the resistance is futile aspect is actually.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Coming from them. They're resisting you.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yes they are, yeah, yeah, yeah they're They're the they're
the ones.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
That are like no, yes, They're like, no, you are
a problem. You are a bad problem. I can't love you, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I can't love you. I can't accept you. I can't
even see you as anything. But you know a non
human or non you.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
Know, somebody that doesn't deserve rights essentially, I mean thematically,
it's like through time and space, right, these are the
these are the things that constantly come up in human nature, right,
the other ring of another group, another race, and you
know it's kind of like a human experience right to
be like not them, they're they're.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Scary, or they're a threat, or they are not one
of us, like othering other other other ring.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
And absolutely, And I thought that Renee did a great
job with the language and the other ring because he
did things like using the word it yes, yeah, yeah,
he says feed ite, yeah, feed it and then even
later on it says, h that's what you things do

(19:06):
was also one of the themes. So it was this
whole like objectifying and humanizing, dehumanizing. Absolutely, and I thought
that I thought you did a fantastic job because there
was just you know, it's funny to turn around because
when hates.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
You, right, you kind of like, oh well that's it.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
End of the end of the Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
At that point it's like, well, you know, if you
didn't win her over, I guess you.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Know, what else are we going to do here? Right?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (19:44):
And so when that hate that guy in shows really
sets you up very well in those scenes. You know,
actually everyone's hate sets you up when you came into
the scene without that level of hate. More of he.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Doesn't have any of that, like he yeah, that's the
thing about him, is I don't even think he understands hate.
It's not a part of you know, which, which what's
interesting about the borg is like why they're why they
fascinate people is in some ways, you know, they're considered
evil or like all this stuff, but in actuality, they're

(20:21):
totally in community. They're just like, right, they're like totally
in community. There's no difference between any of them. They're
very they're very equal in a way, and they're the
things they're doing are for furthering their knowledge. Right, So
it's it's challenging for people to like look at a
borg as uh, you know, a non threatening you know,

(20:44):
obviously lack of individuality is hugely problematic for any human right.
That's the most frightening thing is that's going to be
taken away from you. I would say that that they're
evil in that sense that they that not that they're evil,
but their actions are anti individuality, which is not great.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, then it's the blurd. Do they remove choice?

Speaker 6 (21:07):
They remove your chats, right, it's like you don't don't
resist because you don't have a choice.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yeah, it's very very frightening. So they represent a whole
other frightening element of humanity. And and and the very
human reaction of the enterprise to be prejudice afraid othering
is like a natural nat cherk reaction to a threat, right,
So it's kind of it's a classic human conflict, right.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Which is why this episode is so fantastic, well performed,
well written. A little bit about the director, Robert Letterman, Yeah,
any words about your experience working with it?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
So he was amazing.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
So he was one of the editors on the show,
and this was his first time directing. Okay, And I
actually love working with directors that are editors because they won.
They one exactly what they want to get.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
They're like, like, I know what I need in the
editing room, can you do this? You know what I mean?
He was great. He was terrific director. I really really
enjoyed him.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I don't know that he got to do that many
after that, but I remember it was his first episode,
you know, out of the edit editing bay.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
I don't think he edited as well. He may have
because he was one of the regular editors. Yeah, I
liked him a lot.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
It was some of those shots were film worthy, like that, actually,
oh great film beautifully there's that shot of you looking
at the fish.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I love that where he's like he's looking at the
little fish in a tank, like feeling like he's fish.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Right, He's like, yeah that fish bowl.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Hey, so I looked up Robert the director, You're right,
one other episode after this one, and that's it too
in total in his career. It's in the seventh season
Next Generation. But he edited Next Generation on Space nine
Voyager Enterprise.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Hey, so we're uh, we're almost out of time here.
We just have a couple more minutes, Jonathan, But can
you tell us what's going on in your world? What's new?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Oh? Cool? Yeah, I wrote this. I wrote a children's
book which I'm really excited about. It's called It's.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
It's called Freddy the Alien, and it's my immigration story
and my it's trajectory into becoming an actor and ending
ending up on Sci Fi and Star Trek.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
So it's like the alien idea being that this immigrant
kid feels like an outsider in an alien and then
becomes one. Right.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
So I wrote this with a friend of mine who's
an educator named Tricia Defasio, and we have we found
this amazing.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Illustrator that.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Uh named Adre Navarro who Alvarado, who Uh.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Works on Star Trek Online, so she's part of the
Star Trek family.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
And we're really really close to being done and going
to print, and we're gonna launch it uh in August
and I'll be doing like book signings and stuff around
the country. I think the fans are gonna love it
because it's got it's not Star Trek, but it's my story.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
So it's got like that that line, that Star Trek
through line in it. So I'm super excited about that.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
And then I did a film during the pandemic that
is just now starting to kind of get some traction.
It's called The Grotto that will be available I think
to rent on YouTube, on Apple and Amazon, I think
in July.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
At some point. So what's called again, you know, just
the Grotto?

Speaker 1 (24:40):
The Grotto? Cool.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, So yeah, that's what's going on.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
And that's not about Playboy.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
The Playboy Mansion is no actually okay, no, it's actually
it's actually kind of a spiritual film in a way.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
It's it's directed by Joanna Gleason and written by her,
and it's about the Grotto. It's a it's a it's
a bar in the desert called The Grotto based on
the uh the grotto in uh.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
In Lords, you know where the Virgin Mary appeared. So
it has a lot of spirituality in it.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
But it's it's a I would say, like a romantic
kind of dramedy, is what it is.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
So I love it.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
It's a really great little film. But I'm really really
excited about the book. It's going to be available to
the fans.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
We're gonna we're.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Planning a really big, fun, fun, fun thing to do
while we're posting about it as we get it more
put together. But there's some some really fun fan related
stuff I'm gonna do with it. And I'm also going
to be at the Startrek Convention in Vegas in August.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
I can't wait for that. Yeah, this is really cool
because it feels like it's such a story that's so
close to your heart. It's relevant, it's it's a little
bit of sci fi, so that's fun for the kids,
but it has a real human theme.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, it must have really felt fulfilling to write this
out and finish it and look back on it and say, yes,
this is what I want to put out there.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
It is I'll tell you I've been working on it
for over ten years.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
I wrote it as a pilot.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
First it's about my childhood, so it was a pilot,
and then it became someone said, make.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
A screenplay out of it. I wrote a screenplay, and
then someone are to make an animated series. So I
wrote an animated script and none of them took out,
none of them. And this friend, Tricia, was like, let's
write it. Let's let's work on it together. She's an educator, and.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
She's like, I know, like what children's children's books sort
of need in order for them to be educational and
have like a value. And she goes, let's make it
a let's make a children's book. And I'm like, what
I never even had never even occurred to me. So
we did it and we're putting it out there. I
think it's I'm super proud of it and really excited.
And the timing could not be more like on point

(26:53):
because of everything that's happening with immigration right now and
again the other ring of you know, the other ring
of immigrant children.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I mean, we're not even talking about immigrant adults.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
I'm just talking about innocent children, you know, like the
othering and the bullying.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
That's happening to immigrant kids and migrant kids.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Is disgusting, and I hope the book, which is written
in English but has a lot of Spanish phrases in
it as well, so it's kind of bilingual, so a
kid can like pick it up and understand it, maybe
pick up some language at the same time. So I'm
hoping it's like really a hopeful book for anyone that
feels like they don't belong, you know, and whatever for

(27:31):
whatever reason, because of the you know, their origin, their race,
whatever gender, whatever it is that makes a kid feel
that they are not okay and that they don't belong.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
The story is about saying, like, actually, that thing that
makes you think you don't belong is going to be
the thing that makes you really really great, right as
an adult, right, whatever that means to you. You know,
for me, it was ending up and Star Truk and
being an actor getting to do what I do. But
it was because I was different that I got to
do all that.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
You know, it's fantastic, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, So I think the track fans are totally going
to get it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh yeah, I do too.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
I think it's the uh, you know, it's it's kind
of the opposite of what you said in this episode about.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Being alone, and you said, well, you know, we are alone.
The idea is to make people feel like they're not correct.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
The more we can do that, then the more people
feel like there's a community, that they're embraced, that they're love,
that they're recognized.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, and that's why trek fans and the trek world
always has that, you know, that sense of like we
may not belong out there, but in here we all
have a common you know, positive thing to connect to.
You know, I think that the truth.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, Jonathan, this is really cool.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
We hope everybody can follow you on social media or
be in Las Vegas or wherever it is that you
might be around where you can make your announcements and
do your book launches and things like that. Can't wait
to hear more about this. But you really really appreciate
you taking the time to hang out with us episodes.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
This was a treat. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
All Right, everybody stick around. We will be right back
with more on the Seventh Rule. Hello, everybody, Welcome back
to the Seventh Rule with Sir Rock Freakin' Loften Yello.
Not a day goes by that, I'm not unbelievably grateful
that this man is my partner. True story, what freaking luck.

(29:41):
It's just the best thing ever. Here are thank you.
Here are the trivioids of the week. The enterprise is
chartering six star systems that make up the Our goal
is cluster. I don't even remember if it's chartering or
if it's charting anyway. Borg implants can synthesize any organic molecules.

(30:04):
Their biological tissues require. Jordie thinks the name three of
five suits Hugh. When Gaynan scored two touches last week,
she liked fencing well enough, but today she keeps letting
picard inside. Beverly likens the treatment of Hugh to a
rat in a cage. Despite all her rage, the Borg

(30:25):
assimilates civilizations, not individuals, All right, not a ton now.
There weren't a lot of trivioids because I felt like
this episode was just story right. There wasn't a b plot.
There wasn't a lot of like slice of life moments.
There wasn't a lot of like you know, technobabble or

(30:46):
character studies of certain main characters. It was just it
was just from beginning to end this one through line
of a beautiful story. So this is your first time
ever watching it? What'd you think of it?

Speaker 6 (31:02):
Well, I would tell you how I feel, but I
don't want to borg you.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't understand when you said when you said I
would tell you, I was like, Oh, here comes to die.
I can already see it coming.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I loved it.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
I thought it was a great episode, really good episode
the fact, and I don't know, you know, from the beginning,
it's like, at first I was like, oh gosh, doctor Crusher,
you gotta be you gotta be against the grain. Yeah,
you know, there's part of me like, she's such an

(31:44):
edge lord. Yeah, she's just you know, it's like, you know,
I got a stick up for this guy.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm like, like, you know, and I get it. She
has the.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Hippocratic oath that she has to abide by it right,
so everybody is like, you know, a life to save
and saving lives what the right thing to do, and
those moments are and so because she's guided by that,
I think, you know, she raised the alarm to what

(32:16):
this episode was about. And you know, part of me
was like I was thinking, Wharf might have got this
one right again. You know, Wharf sometimes make a suggestion.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
In the beginning, and everybody either they're like, dismiss Wharf
or they agree with Warf right, right. It's one of
the two.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
It's either they completely dismiss him or they consider what
he says and they're like, you know what, Whorf, I
think you got a point. And they very seldomly, but
once in a while they go along with what Wharf
says and Warf in the beginning of this one, I
think he said something like we need to kill it.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
That's Warf for you. Every single he's like, oh, same
line last week.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
What do you know?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
They like, so I was thinking, is worth right?

Speaker 6 (33:05):
You know when when Worf says that right, you know
you're because you're thinking.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
You know, sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
And in this moment when he proposes that, you're thinking, oh,
is this is this gonna be those things.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Where it turns out that Wharf was right, we should.

Speaker 9 (33:21):
Have you know.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
Yeah, So that that kind of left me. You know,
that's just great writing again by Renee, because it left
me thinking that thought.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Is Wharf right in this moment, in this suggestion?

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Because sometimes he is sometimes he's completely dead, you know,
dead wrong and way off.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
But in this case he couldn't tell.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
And then like I was, you know, telling Jonathan when
when woop Be comes in this scene, and basically it's like,
oh no, I don't want nothing to those guys, like.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know, like I don't I don't look.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
At them as yeah, you know, with the same respect
that I look at other alien races species, you know.
And so when she was dismissive of it, it kind
of made me think, okay, right, the cards on the
right path he's got, you know, he's eliminating a threat
before you know, before these.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Like this shows moral compass in a lot of ways.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Right, but in this particular instance, it was doctor Crusher
who was being the moral compass and and that kind
of rubbed off on Jeordi as well. And I thought
Jordie showed a really great I mean, like the moments
that he had, first of all, the humor, the talk

(34:45):
back in the beginning, you know, the the questioning of
this boorg really being you know, somebody that has an
individuality or capability of that him trying to execute his
orders which given to him by the captain, about you know,
creating this virus, I thought Jordi balanced his orders, his

(35:07):
obligations as an officer, and what he was directed to
do by the captain well with his personal emotions and
what he became his feelings on the matter, and how
he balanced that was I thought.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Very well portrayed in this episode because he.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Kind of swallowed his it's tongue for a moment, right,
he kind of he was He raised his objection to
the matter of creating this virus, and then there was
pushback back the card and then he just said, I Captain,
you know, like I followed rules and I followed the

(35:51):
rules and orders that you give me.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So but he was conflicting, as was Crusher.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I couldn't agree with you. More
about Jeordie, I thought this was one of his best
episodes because of they gave him some pretty fun lines,
but he really he really nailed them, like they're a
whole bunch of them. Like, for example, he goes he says,

(36:19):
you're hardly any in any position to make any demands.
That was funny, and his delivery was great. And then
when he says, oh, his name was third of five,
Jeordi kind of sarcastically says it does kind of suit you.
Another funny delivery and great line. Then when Hughes says
you are not Borg and Jeordie says, that's right, and

(36:41):
I hope to stay that way. Another funny liner. When
he says he says you will be assimilar, he goes yes,
but before that we want to you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
There's just all these.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Great little things, and he delivered it so well because
you know, we always admire how great he is at
the technobabble, how great he is at acting without the
use of his eyes, all of these things. But we
got to see Jordi the quipper, you know, kind of
quipping and kind of making little cracks and like this
is kind of sarcastic, Like okay, bro, yeah, okay, that's cool,

(37:15):
but real quick, let's just do this first. He was great.
I thought, Jordi. It felt like it was a Picard
episode at first at the beginning, but it became a
Jeordie episode, and it was so good to see him
have these kinds of you know, wise, crack, quirky, you know,

(37:38):
sarcastic funny moments. It was beautifully done. But what did
you think of what you also touched on Guynan, and
I thought it was really interesting that usually she's the listener,
she's the compassionate one, she's the teacher that teaches us

(38:01):
how to befriend a little girl and be nicer to
this person. But this time she was on the opposite end.
She's like, kill it, and they're like but but but
and she's like, nope, kill it. It's terrible, it's it's bad,
there's no you know. This was the first time we've
seen her on the other end of the argument. And
I think that's really cool because, like you said, it

(38:22):
gives us the perspective of like, nope, nope, wo be
He's always writer, Guyan's always right, So yes, we got
to kill it. But she eventually turned What did you
think of seeing Guynan a little bit harder than usual?

Speaker 6 (38:36):
You know, I thought it was great, And what I
liked about it was it was unexpected, and that's good
writing to me is when I'm expecting something and it's
not what I So I was expecting her to totally
say to Picard, you know, it's not right to treat
you know, like give him the whole lecture and make him,

(38:58):
you know, give some example. Well, what happen, what would
happen if you were and just give them a scenario
then places them in a mental right.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
But this time she's like, what are you gonna do?
He's like kill it. She's like, hell, yeah, high five,
let's move on.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
Yeah, And I was like, but then she gives us
reason though, And I thought that was great for backstory
on her character when she talks about it, you know,
the boor basically not giving Guyan's people a chance when
they assimilated them. You know, I guess they ran into
her people, and she has a scar memory because of that,

(39:39):
and so she harbors this hate for the board based
on her past experience, which I thought was very accurate.
That's that made sense for why she felt so strongly
about it, because she was coming from personal, lived experience
that certainly looked like it traumatized her. But to be

(40:04):
you know, you know, what was great about her was
that she gave it a chance.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
She gained the advice.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
I think there was Beverly right that said you should
talk to him.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
It was either Beverly or Geordie. Yeah, now I'm yeah
the second thought on it.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
But yeah, I think it was Beverly's advice. But I
just liked that moment there, and so I don't know,
there was a few people that stole this episode. I
thought Gynon stole it for a few moments too. You
mentioned whose episode it was. Gynan had some really great
moments there. You know, we see her fencing with the card.

(40:46):
I thought, you know, she had that scene she had seen.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Ten forward.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
I mean, there was just a lot of moments there
where she We got to see more of Gynan than
we've seen in other moments in other episodes. So it's
crazy because I was like, you know, as I watched episode,
I'm thinking, who's kidding the home run here? And I know, right,
So you're like you're looking and you're like, there's a
lot of you know, because Jonathan really nailed all of

(41:17):
the notes to make us actually have sympathy for this
borg who we look at as this killing machine that's
a predatory, you know, species that just goes around annihilates
and assimilates everybody that they wants.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
And so.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
For us to have sympathy for that, for that character
was really a testament to his performance because he really
laid out a performance that you know, when he says,
for example, to Picard, in the ready room and he says,
JORDI would rather die than be assimilate. So good, It

(42:00):
was so good because he was sticking up for his friend, right,
and he could see him like processing that, like, I
can't do that to my friend, who's explicitly said that
that's the last thing he wants done to him, you know.
And so he won us over in those moments. He
won us over in the moment when they sit them,
you have a choice, and you know, we can keep

(42:21):
you here on the ship and you don't have to
go back. And he realized that not going back was
a threat to the people that helped him, right, and
that he actually now cares about.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
And so he was making the choice to go back.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
Because he has made that connection with them, because he
has a friendship with them, because he doesn't want to
bring unnecessary harm in their direction.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
He's making the choice to go back, right.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
And I thought that was another great kind of lesson
for us about taking the high road that this character did. Right.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
He showed us humanity. And you know, there was the
first line where I saw an obvious change and I
thought was really nice was when he was in the
ready room and Jordie walks in and you can see
that Hugh kind of perks up like, oh, my friend
is here, and he goes hello Jordi, and he kind
of said it in a way of like, you know,

(43:21):
like this with this sweet, innocent like, oh my friend
is here, that I feel so much happier, you know.
You know, there was like there was definitely something there
in the way he delivered that line that we were
supposed to notice. We're supposed to notice that he's warming
up and that Jeordie is his friend. Well, we're already

(43:42):
running out of time here. Well we've teased the home run.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Of the day.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Where's that here? It is so rock Lofton. Who do
you think gets the home run of today's episode?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Good luck?

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, this is very hard.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
Well, I'm going to do a two parter. I'm going
to say the first home run goes to Jonathan del
Arco get starring in this episode, really being phenomenal in
all the scenes. Opposite the regular cast, he just was
hit it out the park. He had all the notes
that were necessary in the scenes, and he pulled on
her emotional strings. So I thought that was just great.

(44:28):
But I have to say, in addition to his home run.
I have to give it to Patrick's Stewart. I have
to give it to him because the anger that he
showed with Whoopee.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
With Whoopy tried to.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Come to him and say, hey, you know, let me
talk to you about this.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
And.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
He jumped up and stood up and yet raised his
voice and really was angry. The disdain that he had
for this board was unbelievably palpable. And the moment of
realization that he had when he was interrogating the work
and trying to deceive it into believing that he was

(45:11):
taking orders from him as the acutest I thought was
exception so and it just was like fantastic to me.
That scene was like a movie quality scene. It reminds
me of Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson and a few
good men when they're getting to that moment where it's

(45:33):
like I need.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
The truth out of you.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
And I felt that level of intensity in the dialogue
of that scene, and I thought it was played perfectly.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
So, yeah, I have to give Patrick Stewart.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
There were just too many beats that he really pushed
the story along as well and made me feel.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
His dilemma of making this decision.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Those are my Yeah, I agree with you halfway. I
got back to back home runs for Jonathan del Arco
for all the reasons we've stated, absolutely beautifully done. He
got asked back over and over again because of that.
But for me, it's LeVar Burton got. He got some
lines that were good and we're fine, and he could

(46:22):
have just delivered them and they would have been fine,
but he added a little a little extra sarcasm or
a little extra wit to make them funny. I mean,
I laughed out loud, which is an actual rarity. We
don't actually usually laugh out loud. We just go huh
or you know, blow air out of our nose or something.
But great job by both of them, in my opinion,

(46:44):
home runs for the both of them. Also our friend Joy,
who does our Instagram and some website stuff for us.
She asked what episode we were doing. We said, Jonathan
del Arco's here, and she was like, she was like,
hands down, moving instellar performance that made a single episode
character resonate for a lifetime. So I think that's pretty

(47:05):
awesome that. I wish we had seen that before Jonathan
left so he could hear that too. But anyway, okay,
home runs are done. It is time to say very
special thanks to our pals. Their names are doctor Amrie Siegel,
Eve England out in Wales, You bet Blackman, Tom t J.
Jackson Bay Out Missouri, Titus Mueller, doctor Mohammad Nora and

(47:25):
Neil O Paullatte, Joe Balceeradi, Mike Gou, doctor Stephanie Baker,
Carrie Schwent, Faith Howell, Edward Foltz, the Matt Boardman, Chris McGee,
Jake Barrett, Henry Unger, Alison Leech Hide, Julie Manasfi, Jed Thompson,
doctor Susan V. Gruner back from Italy, Glenn Iverson, Dave Gregory,

(47:46):
Chris Sternet, Greg k Wickstrom out in Hawaii, Cassandra g.
Chuck A, Chris Garris, Mark Zutkoff, Lamiah Lancaster, Sean mouch
Amiram Misne remember him, and of course Jason Okin. All right,
everybody stick around. We've got the free for all up
next and we will be right back on the seventh rule. Well,

(48:10):
hi there, everybody, welcome back to the seventh Rule of
Sarak Lofton. This is the free for all, if you
can believe that. With Melissa A longo.

Speaker 10 (48:18):
Hello there, ha's going.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
The effervescent. Jason m Oakin is here as well. Hi, everybody,
we call him Bubbles uh fa on the bridge of
the Enterprise D.

Speaker 10 (48:33):
That's I love that Bubbles.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Let's not make that stick. I know he doesn't want.
Mark Coff is here with three cool screen grabs. Alison
leech Hide is here. She's matching Melissa A Longo uh
tj Jackson Bay is right next to Faith Howl on
the bridge of the Enterprise D as well. Chuck a

(48:59):
has a ton of cool stuff on his wall. Carrie
Schwent is outside of a board cube. Chris McGee is
known as the Dark Lord, and the Matt Boardman is
going to edit stuff for tomorrow Walter's episode. All right,
Jake Cisco guesses the IMDb score.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
To me, it looks like it might be like a
nine nine even Wow?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Does anybody else have any guesses that doesn't already know?
Faith is happy with your guests though.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Twenty one twenty one.

Speaker 11 (49:45):
I'll go with eight two eight nine.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
This is fun.

Speaker 12 (49:52):
I'll try live just for the heck of it.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
All right, it seems like all bets are in. The
correct answer is eight point eight. Very close, you guys,
very close, very good faith is happy with that? What
a relief? What about I didn't hear any non apparents mentions?
Do you guys? Okay?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
What about?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
What about Chris McGee dark Lord? Some kind of or
some sort of.

Speaker 11 (50:27):
We had no fewer than four in this episode pressure.
Commenting on Hughes prosthetic, I said, look, some kind of
holographic imaging system. Then, as Jordy and Guynan are talking
in ten forward, Guinan says referring to that board as
though it were some sort of lost child, and then
Jordi responds saying, programming him like some sort of walking bomb. Then, later,

(50:52):
as the Card is justifying his decision to Guy and
says it is what it is and in spite of
efforts to turn him into some kind of pet, I will.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
That was like, that was rough?

Speaker 6 (51:04):
All right?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Melissa, A longo? Please get us started off on the right.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (51:08):
Is uh?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Would low cutest be an.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Interesting?

Speaker 6 (51:13):
I wonder that too, because we didn't really see him,
did we know?

Speaker 10 (51:19):
But Patrick Stewart is there and he is pocard, his
body is putcard.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Melissa is a hard ass today. She's usually the softest on.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Okay, wow, who.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
She's taken names today she's chopping heads. Well, Melissa, would
you please get us started off on the right track?
Then thank you?

Speaker 10 (51:57):
M oh okay, and then I wasn't meaning to be mean.

Speaker 13 (52:08):
That wasn't meaning to be mean. Can I just say
how much I love this show. I love this show very.

Speaker 10 (52:21):
Much, and particularly this episode, because this show does give
us episodes like this one. And I can't tell you
how many times I.

Speaker 14 (52:33):
Went oh during the watching of this episode because Hugh
was needed a hug.

Speaker 10 (52:44):
You needed lots of hugs, and I wanted to give
him a hug. I wanted Jordie to give him a hug,
especially at the end.

Speaker 14 (52:54):
But there are so many beautiful scenes in this episode,
between Beverly and Jordy, between Jordie and Hugh, between Jordy
and Guynan, between Guy and Picard. There are just so
many wonderful gems in this episode.

Speaker 10 (53:15):
And ah, yeah, it just and Jonathan doug Arco, Gosh,
what a great performance from him to My favorite line
was we are Hugh, and when Jordie was saying cute

(53:38):
and then he then Hugh says we are cute, and
Jordy laughs with his beautiful smile ah. And I have
to say that I love Beverly Crusher for pushing the
envelope and and sticking to her guns as a doctor,
because everyone else would have written you off. I want

(54:00):
to say how much I love Jordie and his openness
and willingness to receive.

Speaker 15 (54:07):
Other people, even if they are I wouldn't cut his enemy,
you know. He's willing to be open to receiving new
people and learning about their perspective and where they come from.
And I have to say that I feel bad for

(54:31):
everyone who's been assimilated into the boorg because they didn't
have this a choice to be assimilated. They didn't have
the choices that Jordie was giving you.

Speaker 10 (54:45):
Yeah, there's so much to say about this episode. I
enjoyed it very much. I enjoyed it very very very much.
I enjoyed all of the performances of the people. And
I'm just going to keep repeating myself. I enjoyed it
very much.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Great stuff, well words, what do you really think?

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Very much?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Thank you very much Melissa Longo for that.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Oh wow, you're waiting.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Sorry, I'll cut that out.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Don't worry. That's that's terrible.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
That to be said, yeah, Jason m Oakan, what do
you think about this episode? It's yeah, Bubbles, I regret it.
I'm sorry, Jason.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
It's absolutely awful.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
It's absolutely awful.

Speaker 9 (55:41):
Curious if it's considered one of the best episodes of
the series.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
It's just awful.

Speaker 9 (55:48):
It's an episode with the wonderful script that's just beautifully performed.
You just perhaps, you know, one of the best pieces
of evidence that you don't need barrel rolls or explosions
to be entertained. Just a step back and think you
certainly have a wonderful performance by Jonathan Delarco. Even you know,
with all the prosthetics and everything on, you can actually

(56:10):
see the transformation. And the interesting part is his character
is not the only one that's transformed. You see transformation
and at some level even in Jority, certainly at a
great level with Whoope's character, guyin and with the Card's
character taken from sort of a cold you know, this
is Borg and this and the other thing to something

(56:31):
as something we see at the end. So it's again,
it's a wonderfully structured script that's performed beautifully by everybody.
I think the performance is very, very nuanced in some ways,
the way was shot, when the scenes got personal. You
really have a lot of tight close ups in this one.
It's not that typically you see it periodically, but there

(56:52):
are a lot of tight close ups here, especially especially
in emotional scenes. And when you see that on occasion,
that's kind of one. And again a lot can be
said here. We can lord this episode for a long time,
but I think it holds. You know, the main thing
here is to writing and the performances, and I'll say
the rest for later.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Mm hmm, great stuff. Thank you very much. Jason m Oakin.
Didn't notice your shirt until now. That's a great shirt. Uh. Okay,
Faith Howell, what's up, Hugh Love season five? What do
you think of this?

Speaker 16 (57:28):
This is, you know, a Borg episode, and you, as
you may remember, typically hate the Borg all of them
there I find from Next Gen. I think they're terrifying.

Speaker 17 (57:39):
This is the one Borg.

Speaker 16 (57:41):
Episode from Next Gen that I absolutely love, and it's
it's one hundred percent because of Hugh and Jonathan del Arco,
that arc of you know, complete you know, automaton into
real human being, and you know it's he's just so
thorough likable by the end, and you send him off

(58:03):
and wonder what's gonna happen next, Like what's gonna happen
with the Borg? Are they going to be? And I
almost wonder it would have been cool if they had
plugged in that we actually have the Boorg Queens because
of this. It's it's that connection has never been made,
but I you know, it's not impossible. Definitely, my favorite

(58:27):
parts of it are are the arcs with each character
coming from absolutely not where this is just a thing,
where he's an enemy, We've got to fight him to
every single character coming around, except for maybe Wharf As
I said that coming through to really valuing Hugh as

(58:49):
a human. And I think my favorite scene is the
ready room scene where Picard is arguing with him and
interrogating him, and you see him go from we to
I and really fully become an individual. I think that
is just so cool. And one thing I thought was

(59:09):
interesting that maybe hadn't been as full fully fleshed out
at this point compared to like Voyager's version of the Borg,
is that it's like they're forgetting that these are us,
these are people that used to be you know, maybe
he came from Woll three five nine and was taken

(59:33):
off of the Saratoga. Maybe this was Jake's best friend
at the time. We don't know, And I mean he's
he looks fully human, so I think it's interesting that
they didn't mention his species at all other than him
being a borg. So but otherwise, yeah, I definitely agree

(59:54):
with everything that's been said so far. Sorry inviting with
KYLEO Writh tablet.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Okay, thank you very much, Faith Howl. Great episode. But
what did Mark Zutkoff think?

Speaker 9 (01:00:12):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:00:13):
I was one of those who, when I watched the
first airing of this episode, was disappointed that it was
a step in the direction of defanging the borg. Watching
it now, I have to reconsider that by itself, this
was a good step in the evolution of a star
trek foe on the planet shot on Planet Hell, but

(01:00:33):
looking much better than those episodes shot there in the
first few seasons of the show. Doctor Crusher continues her
challenges of Picard, but his poor wharf who says kill
it now, and once again Picard does the opposite. When
Picard leaves the bridge to go to his ready room.
I love the look Data gives Troy almost a go
do your job look, and she tries, but Picard is

(01:00:56):
awfully good at deflecting, both with words and with a foil.
Picard refers to the Borg as it, which hearkens back
to Bruce Maddox calling data it in the measure of
a man. Speaking of the fencing scene, Gyon looks angry
throughout it and takes the opposite tack to her usual opinions,
understandable given what the Borg had done to her still

(01:01:17):
unnamed people. Then we get a la Forge and Guynon
scene where the two switch rolls. Leforge is the voice
of reason and suggests to Guyon that she quote just listen.
That's what you do best, isn't it. One could make
the argument that Hugh is repeating much of what he's
being told resistance is not futile, people are lonely, et cetera,

(01:01:39):
but it's a nice symmetry between Crusher's lonely statement and
Hugh's echo of it to Guynan. Gyan comes to Picard,
and this time she has her trademark Mona Lisa's smile.
Then she switches to the same look she gave Picard
in yesterday's enterprise when she convinces him to look Hugh
in the eye before using him to destroy the borg.

(01:02:00):
The scene where Hugh recognizes Picard as lo cutis and
Picard immediately switches into full locutest mode is chilling, beautifully
acted by Patrick Stewart. Most of the dialogue in the
episode is spoken softly, so when a character raises their voice,
as Picard and Jordie do, it has an impact. And

(01:02:21):
my home pun of the episode. With several of our
past changing direction of their thoughts during the episode, you
could say their opinions took a huge turn.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Ah home pun of the episode. Somebody called it licensing department.
That's good stuff. Thank you very much, Martin zutt Cough.
All right, Allison Leech, hide your thoughts on this episode.

Speaker 17 (01:02:50):
It's a wonderful episode.

Speaker 18 (01:02:52):
Anytime we get wipe, it's gonna be a great episode,
especially one where we really get to see Guynan as
a person, not just you know, not just somebody who
dispenses wisdom like she's going through something and beautifully acted.
And so I always enjoy that because you know, we

(01:03:14):
start with she's going through a journey, you know, and
so I love that.

Speaker 17 (01:03:19):
I love Hugh going through a journey.

Speaker 19 (01:03:21):
Jeordie is my favorite character, and I think this is
a fabulous Jeordie episode because we do see his open
heart and how he cares for beings individuals, and so
I love that. So I do truly enjoy this episode.

Speaker 18 (01:03:37):
And I gotta, you know, do a shout out to
Wes Moore doing wonderful Borg makeup as always, and it's
fun to see how the Borg makeup has it changes,
like every time there's a little bit of a change,
and how that's progressing. I think my biggest you know, like,
why why would leaving Hugh with his memory of becoming

(01:04:01):
an individual on the ship be something new for the
board Because they were all individuals already.

Speaker 17 (01:04:09):
When they were assimilated, So they.

Speaker 18 (01:04:11):
Were already individuals, So why would that be be like
a thing that might even for a moment pass through
this small collective, that would be you know, something to
like tout and go for.

Speaker 17 (01:04:25):
So that's my one thing.

Speaker 18 (01:04:26):
I'm like, they've all already been individuals, these aren't We
don't think these are bored babies. We think these were
assimilated being so why would that be new? So I
think that's my one little nitpick. But my I love
the end bit where as Hugh is being transported and
he looks at Jordi.

Speaker 17 (01:04:45):
I love that. I think that was a wonderful way
to end the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, because you wonder when he's when he's transporting, is
he even gonna acknowledge him, and that the last second
he looks.

Speaker 17 (01:04:57):
Like, you're my friend. Yeah, you want a look. But
it was wonderfully done.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yeah, that was wonderfully done too. Thank you very much,
Allison Leech hide out in the Heart of New Mexico. TJ. Jackson, Bay,
what's up? You're in Missouri? What do you think of
this one?

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Allison is the heart of New Mexico. I thanks, you
didn't know? Okay, this episode, I'm gonna have to leave
the bridge and go to the bar because you know,
that's just where it takes me about the party going,
not the holiday. There we go right there in Quarts.
I had to get off the enterprise for a minute.

(01:05:38):
This episode, there are so so many journeys and they
are all deeply moving, and it's so well written and
so well acted. I especially appreciate it Guynan, Jordie and
Hugh's journey along with the rest of them, but especially
those because you know Jordi when he comes in he's

(01:06:03):
just kind of like in the in the middle of
the line with this like, Okay, he has his orders,
he needs to create, you know, this destructive program, and
so he's doing his job. But as he does it,
and with some urging from Beverly, he starts to question
what's happening. But from the get go, as soon as
he goes into the detention celle with Hugh, he starts

(01:06:28):
talking to him and begins to start you know, reasoning
and making his kind of own thoughts about what he's
dealing with here. And Guyon's journey was especially moving for
me because she's moving from such, you know, a deep

(01:06:50):
emotional wound. This is someone who's a member of the
group that destroyed her home planet, and so she obviously
hates them, right she does. She has no love for
them whatsoever, but she obeys the urging to go and

(01:07:12):
talk to him and her the way she acted that
and in her face during that conversation, I think it's
what deeply moved me, because yes, you can hear it
in the words and the lines, but it's her face
that tells the story of when she goes from I
can't hate this guy, he's just you know, He's exactly

(01:07:34):
what Jordy describes. He's a kid, and he's lonely, and
he has feelings. And he's not the faceless enemy. You
know that that I've seen the board gass all this time.
This is a person. He has a face, he has
a personality in his own feelings.

Speaker 9 (01:07:53):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
And and so you know that moves her and huge
journey is also very deeply moving because he goes from
being just that, he goes from being this kind of faceless,
non existent individual to a person with his own feelings.

(01:08:15):
He goes from the we to the eye. And I
think that's something that's deep and important to reflect on
because I feel like many of us also share their
journey in society, you know, when we go from just
being a part of the system to being you know,

(01:08:37):
a full individual with our own goals and making our
own way in life and making our own mark on
society and on each other, which I think is important
to do. I think it's important for us to be
our individual selves and be beautiful in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Our diversity.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
And and and it's a rich experience for me when
where I get to to interact and talk, you know,
with someone else and and and learn who they are,
you know, as an individual, not just what they do
for work or but what they really love and appreciating
life is. And so that was deeply moving for me
to see that developing Hugh and for the people around

(01:09:20):
him to discover that as well. I could talk about
this episode forever and ever, but I got like just
two points left. Uh They're they're small, short ones, and
one of them is, you know, I'm often critical of
security on the Enterprise because every other week they get
the ship taken over or you know, ball of light

(01:09:42):
comes in or something. But in this episode, if you notice,
the only people that know that he is on the
ship is the command crew and maybe gone. And I
mean there are people talking about it in the bar
obviously because Gondon heard about it, but he's never in
a corridor. They beam him directly to the detention cell

(01:10:04):
and then from there to the lab and then he
beams to the cards you know, office, And so I
got high praise for the security in this episode because
they they maintained the secrecy. One thing, however, well that's
things left unsaid. I'll get to that. But the last

(01:10:24):
one I want to touch on again was the was
the look when bored, bored when he is transporting up
to the ship because you know, up to that point
you kind of wonder did his individuality really stay intact?

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
And so when he gives the look that and you
see it in Jordie's reaction too, that's when Jordi knows, okay,
it worked. You know he's still here.

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
And so hit my quote of the episode, UH is
fitting for when he's stepping onto the transport pad on
the Enterprise and he says, I do not want to
forget that. I am Hugh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Beautiful, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
T J.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Jackson bay out in Missouri. Chuck a is next. He's
not in Missouri, but he's been there. What do you
think of this episode?

Speaker 8 (01:11:19):
Well, I have five favorite episodes of season five, and
this is the third of five.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It's three five.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
Well, this episode was always one of my favorite episodes.
Jonathan Delarco was really very, very fantastic in this episode.
I love the interactions with Jordi LeVar And it's been
mentioned with the scene with with Picard at the at

(01:11:53):
the end where he was Hugh identified him as Locutus,
and that conversation was really stiller. I was wondering too,
why uh, Hugh, you know when he got his talk
with Guynon, he was kept on asking Guynon, you know what,

(01:12:15):
uh what humanity was like and and and Gynan kept
on pushing that uh he he didn't she didn't want
to and UH feel that uh that she didn't really
want to talk to Hugh that I think she told
me she told Picard that. Uh. That was also a

(01:12:36):
really well done scene. The episode itself was I thought,
like I said, bet you before is one of the
better episodes, and it was very well written, uh and
it really played well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:12:53):
And we hadn't had real another Boorg episode since I
guess the best of both works. So it was really
good to see that they did that episode. And I
was reading on I think it was Wikipedia that this
was a very The script was very well received by
all the writers and the staff, and they really wanted

(01:13:14):
to do this episode and they thought it was a
great idea to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Seems like everybody is very high on that script, so
that's great to know that it was so well received.
Thank you very much, Chuck A a k A. T
and G fanatic Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear, You love
the Board you're right outside their ship. What'd you think
of this one?

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
I love this one because, as my shirt reminds everyone,
assimilation means you will always have friends. Yes, and yeah,
this episode's fantastic. And I looked up on IMDb. There's
a click you can link. You can click on the
episodes you're like the highest rating, and it has a

(01:13:57):
list of from top to bottom where all the episodes
fall as far as far as their IMDb score, And
this one is number ten, number one. We will be
seeing very very shortly, and you could probably if you
have seen it, you could probably guess which one it is.
But it is coming up soon. And when I was
also looking on Memory Alpha, there was a quote from

(01:14:18):
Micae Pillar and I took the last part of it.
I really really liked and he says, I feel that
if you take the unstoppable villain, the stereotype and you
turn it inside out, that's great storytelling. I definitely agree,
because if they stayed just the one note the whole time,
that's gonna get boring. You gotta add, you know, more depth,

(01:14:40):
more layers, more colors to it. And I really liked
that they did that, and they go even further with
all of that in Voyager and Yeah, I love Beverly
is a rock star. She's sinking like a doctor, she's
stinking like a mother because this is someone who looks
to be about the same age as their as their son.

(01:15:02):
So that's probably subconsciously part of why she was insisting, Okay,
we gotta take care of this kid. I don't care
that he's a work. He's coming after the ship. I'm
gonna I'm gonna fix it. And I just added a
couple couple of minutes ago. I have like a head
a head cannon as to why Tory kind of disappears
from the episode after that ready room scene, because we

(01:15:23):
don't see her again once we see it, we don't
see Troy again and the rest of the episode. So
my head Cannon says that after her talk trying to
talk to Picard in his ready room and him being
just that brick wall, she's like, Okay, I'm clearly not
not gonna get get her to him. I'm gonna let

(01:15:43):
you know, somebody else take over, because clearly what I'm
doing is isn't working. But both Yeah, Jean Luke and
Guyna go through just fantastic journeys and it's fantastic to watch.
They both have their blinders on and both for very
very very good reasons. But it's not till they both
actually talk to him that they that they change their minds.

(01:16:06):
And in both scenes where they're talking to him, and
I agree, how just spine chilling the car talking like
liquidas is. I get goosebumps every time every time I
watch it. But you can see it in their face
when when the the switch flips in their head and
they go from astletely hating it because he's a bored

(01:16:26):
to like, Okay, wow, he might just be in an
individual individual after all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
And I love that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
And we it's like I thought of it like a
like a set of dominoes that Orty starts the dominoes
sort of tipping forward. He changes his mind. First he
goes to talk to guy and throws out that amazing
line as he's leaving ten forward, he said, go ahead,
don't talk to him, but listen, that's what you're good at, right,

(01:16:53):
perfect mic drop line is he's as he's leaving the scene,
and I love that. So then she goes and talks
to him, changes her mind. He goes to talk to
Picard get gets him because he's in the same thing, Like,
why I don't need to talk to him? Why would
I go talk to him? He talks to he talks
to him and then changes his mind. It's it's it's

(01:17:14):
nice to actually see that. I love that Jeordie is
the first Domino because the two of them, Hugh and
Jeordy together were absolutely adorable. And yeah, this is definitely
the first episode where we get to see that once
you're separated from the collective for long enough, you start
to regain bits of of your of your of your individuality.

(01:17:36):
And again we see a lot more of that later
later in in and Voyager. And there was another note
on Memory Alpha from Jerry Taylor and once I read,
I can't un see it. She mentions that Hugh is
was a lot like like Edward. Edward says her hands
and once, yeah, I can see that the makeup is

(01:17:58):
just like Johnny Depp's make of Edwards. Their hands, the
mannerisms are even almost pretty pretty close to the same.
And am I the only one who's wrist and like
like wrist and arm gets sore watching him plug turn
his wrists like this like ninety degrees to plug into
the little the wall socket. They couldn't have put the
censor anywhere else for him to luggage. They had to

(01:18:21):
make him turn that because that outfit was restrictive enough
to begin with. The poor things. I don't know how
he managed to get his wrist bent enough to plug
into that little into that little guy. And I've got
something very interesting that I found out that I'm gonna
say for things left unsaid, But Jonathan Dolico was I

(01:18:42):
read online. He's a big fan of t us enough
to audition. He almost was Wesley, but then didn't get
the part. Swear he was never gonna watch it again,
but then ended up becoming part of the Star Trek
family anyway, being h and I actually met him on
the one of the he was on the on the
cruise a couple of years ago. Such a super, super

(01:19:04):
super nice guy, just absolutely fabulous, fabulous to talk to,
very much enjoyed that. But of course for the the
limerick for the episode, of course it had to be
Hughes limerick. So I will finish with that. My new
friend Jeordy helped me to see that I is sometimes

(01:19:26):
better than we But now I have to go back
so my friends won't be attacked, the others should have
the chance to be free.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yep, thank you very much, Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear.
All right, Chris McGee, you're the dark Lord. What do
you think of this one? Darkness, Fire and Brimstone.

Speaker 11 (01:19:47):
Hmmm, pretty much. Well, first, I echo everyone else's thoughts
regarding this episode, writing, acting, pacing, et cetera. All fantastic.
No need for me to repeat what has already been said. However,
I'm going to tap into my dark Lord persona today
because I have rather had. I guess an unpopular opinion
of Iborg in terms of its story, At least Mark

(01:20:11):
alluded to it earlier. The Borg were created to be
practically an unbeatable villain, an enemy to be genuinely frightened of.
I think the Klingons were originally created so that the
Federation would have a strong adversary, but their image kind
of softened over the years as we learned more about
them and they became more nuanced and diverse, especially in

(01:20:32):
the next generation when Wharf gets beaten so often to
demonstrate how strong someone else or something else is. So
I could see the same sort of pattern beginning to
develop here in Iborg. In the past, I've called this
episode the humanization of the Borg because I felt like
it took away their vicious edge. It seemed like tried

(01:20:53):
to make them more sympathetic, softened them just a bit. Nowadays,
I'm kind of on the fence about it. On the
one hand, so I believe the Board maybe should have
remained a faceless, unbeatable villain to be fought against throughout
the series. On the other hand, I acknowledge that without
exploring their race further and having Starfleet attempt to save

(01:21:16):
the people that were turned into Borg against their will,
we never would have gotten seven of nine and the
other is in Voyager, and as that show demonstrates, the
Board can still be a terrible force to be reckoned with,
even with this humanizing episode. A couple of observations I
made while watching this It looks like and some Kellogg

(01:21:37):
fills in for Wharf when he's on an away theme.
And the first time I saw this episode on the air,
I always mistook that face down Board that we saw
on the planet as being face up but with his
arms twisted backwards. Somehow, the fold in the back of
his neck kind of looks like a mouth, and his

(01:21:57):
face has been like, I don't know, rip off or something.
So that shot of him is very brief, so when
it aired on TV, I couldn't rewind you get a
better look at it. I just remember that disturbing me
quite a bit. So, uh, for the memorable quote of
the episode, it's definitely got to be Hugh subverting the
age old nine and saying resistance.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Is not futile.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Great stuff, Thank you very much, Chris McGee. All right,
the Matt, what do you think of this one?

Speaker 20 (01:22:28):
Well, as everybody else has said, and I fully agree,
I mean, this is fantastic episode. I love when you
can you have an episode that makes you think, because
I don't know if you guys have ever had moments
in your lives where you have somebody that you don't
know very well and you don't necessarily you know, your

(01:22:48):
first impression of them is not very good, or you've
had some interactions with them and they're either not pleasant
or you're like, oh my gosh, okay, I need this
person to leave. But then you have a where you
get to know them better and suddenly it's like, wait
a minute, this is actually not a bad person after all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
And I understand.

Speaker 20 (01:23:08):
Yes, I don't like. I don't like it when they
take the bad guys and and like make me look
at it from a different perspective. He's not angry, he's
just misunderstood. But but the thing that I love about
this is that it challenges our characters. It challenges Picard,

(01:23:30):
It challenges Guynan, who obviously have very good reason to
have deep seated hatred for the Borg. You know, Guynan
lost her you know, her, her whole civilization was upended
by the Borg. Picard wasn't strong enough to stop the
Borg from taking something from him, you know, and and

(01:23:54):
and that's we as we learn later on in Pcard
season three. Uh, you know, it's something that haunts him
still to that day.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
And so I like.

Speaker 20 (01:24:10):
That that that moment in which they have to reconcile
their their hatred with this individual that's in front of them.
And I think that's something that uh, you know, even
even today, speaking is more important because when we when
we group people into collectives and we have a mindset

(01:24:35):
of this is what it means to be those people,
take a moment and interact with that person on an
individual level, and you'll realize that there's more than just
the surface level that we're being told that we should
believe about those people. And that's one of the things
that I love about this episode is that it makes you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Think great stuff. Thank you very much. The Matt Boardman
reminds me of the saying people are dumb, but a
person is smart. That's always an interesting perspective. Uh, all right,
Jake's final take your thoughts, shruck.

Speaker 6 (01:25:17):
Well, I thought it was interesting that they were going
to defeat the Board with geometry like a shape that's
a paradox, like literally, you know, that's your evil empire being,
you know, basically defeated with a Rubik's cube. I just

(01:25:41):
don't see see that, So my mind couldn't really fully
get to that as the thing that annihilates them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
Doctor Crusher brought up the fact that there was no
formal declaration of war against the Board, because I do
feel like that is a check on Captain Picard's powers.
I don't feel that he actually has the right or

(01:26:11):
the authority to initiate this level of drastic extermination as
it would be without running it up higher up the
flagpole to his senior command and therefore getting permission. Essentially,
I don't think you can act unilatterally in this capacity

(01:26:32):
to this degree. It would be too much of a
casualty and who knows if things go wrong what the
consequences of that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
So I think he would need some clearance from higher
ups in the Federation. And that's just my opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
Where's Riker, I didn't see much of him. Would have
liked to have him in this episode. Would have been
nice to kind of here about the redemption that Picard
had as a Board. There was no reflection on that
that there was a path for him to escape Borgism,

(01:27:15):
and so I didn't see that kind of really talked
about it discussed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
It would have been nice to have that were brought up.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
More so then what was brought up with Troy in
the beginning, about his insecurities or whatnot. Yeah, it's funny
because the borg are known for assimilating, and I guess
the really difference between the two assimilations that I'm seeing

(01:27:45):
is one is forced.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
And one is not.

Speaker 6 (01:27:48):
The board forced you to assimilate, But in this case,
the Federation and the crew of the Federation basically made
the Board assimilate to their way and their cause and their.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Lifestyle and choices of individuality.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
And so that is a kind of assimilation too, you know,
to basically surrender yourself to a dominant culture or ideology
is assimilation. So they were asking the board to assimilate.
I thought that was interesting. This brings me back to

(01:28:31):
the origins of the biological warfare kind of thing that
happened with the Dominion and the Federation and the Founders.
This kind of brought me back to that they were
trying to find a way to infect the Founders, and
this is the same central kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Biological warfare idea.

Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
So I thought maybe that this may have been the
origin of that at which is what they carried over
into DS nine. And then lastly, I didn't really like
the name Q. I thought a more adequate name would
be cy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
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