Beautiful | TNG 5.25, "The Inner Light" | T7R #353 - The 7th Rule -- A Star Trek Podcast with DS9's Cirroc Lofton

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Came in is the best iron weaver in the community
council leader, but Tai plants a sapling in defiance of
the drought, and Mara Borr is her father's daughter. Hello.
I can't imagine that's sound was pretty obvious. Hello, everybody,
Welcome to the Seventh Rule. Was sarrock lofton. Hello, my

(00:22):
name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we are doing a
review of Star Trek the Next Generation. Guess what, Season five,
episode twenty five, The Inner Light Heard of It? Story
by Morgan Gendell. Teleplay by Peter Allen Fields and Morgan Gendell.
I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. Directed by Peter Laurenson.
This was May thirtieth, nineteen ninety two. Where were you

(00:46):
and how are you today? Sarrack?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Uh, really good, really really good. This was a great episode.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
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(01:18):
As they say, so Srock. I feel as though, even
though you've never watched this Star Trek episode in your life,
this is this is your first time going through the
next generation, your first time seeing the interlight. I feel
as though you have heard of this episode because it

(01:39):
seems as though people talk about this episode constantly. Had
you heard about it and what did you expect?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I expected a good episode. I had heard about it,
but I didn't know what it was about. Yeah, I
don't think I really kind of listened in on the
discussion about what the episode is about. So maybe I
just blocked it out of my head or wasn't really
focused in on it. But it's kind of not what
I expected. I don't know why, but it's just not

(02:14):
what I expected. Yeah, but it was pleasantly a surprise
because I was along for the ride. I wasn't sure
what to expect, really, but this wasn't quite it.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
What did you expect? Do you remember, like any impressions
you had of it?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
You know? Maybe in my mind I think that it
was more of a episode involving the cast more as
opposed to really being picard and a whole nother cast, right,
So that's that was probably the biggest thing for me
that I was like, Oh, this is not even really

(02:57):
you know any one of the crew members that much,
which maybe you know, for five minutes of screen time,
but for the most part, this is Picard's episode, and
it's a solo episode with a whole new you know,
guest stars and stuff. So that was basically a bigger
the big surprise for me about it.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, I watched it kind of recently, and I don't
remember why or where, but maybe two three, four years ago.
But before that, I hadn't seen it since, you know,
it was on reruns in the nineties, and I remember

(03:39):
that I thought it was like a mediocre episode. I
was like, oh, whatever, it's just another one of those
episodes where they go visit a planet. It's not the
Dominion Wars. It's not something crazy and fun like Cause
and Effect or the Best of Both Worlds or anything
like that. It's just, you know, it's a bottle episode.
It's a very bottle episode, and it's just kind of,

(04:01):
you know whatever. I thought it was mediocre average, and
then I remember it being kind of a love story.
So it's like I know, everybody loves it, but I
don't care. It doesn't do anything for me. Then I
when I watch it, you know whatever. It was more recently,
a couple years ago, I was like, oh, I get
it now, this is really good. It's actually it's a

(04:21):
very touching story. It's a very simple story with a
very simple point, you know, but when they hit that point,
it kind of hits you.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right, yeah, I mean that's what good science fiction is about.
That's why I think this really qualifies under that umbrella
of good science fiction. It doesn't take a complicated story.
It was pretty simple. I did, you know, I did
feel the captain in some kind of peril, so there

(04:55):
was like his life is a danger aspect of it.
So there was a love of you know, heightened concern
about the outcome of what's going on. So that was
great about it. Also, the duality of him existing in
another place and also existing on board the ship gave

(05:18):
you know, just was really well done for the purpose
of storytelling. And I thought, as far as science fiction goes,
is this thematically had exactly what you're looking for, an
overall message coded into science fiction and fantasy, and you

(05:39):
know worked is it worked well For me, I was
along for the ride. At first. I was a little reluctant,
you know, because, you know, because one of the things
I like about Star Trek is the future aspect of it.
So being in the setting of a place that makes

(06:00):
me feel like, i mean, the future allows my mind
to wander there. And sometimes when we go to these
planets scenes and surfaces with these villages, it makes me
think of the past more than the thinks in the future.
For some reason, I don't know if that makes sense,
because the way the villages are exampled and the council

(06:23):
members and the limited technology, it feels like it's the past,
right and they're living sometimes in caves, and you know,
just in general, feels like the technology is something that
is not as advanced. And that puts me in a
state of mind where I'm like, oh, okay, here we

(06:45):
go with the primitive planet thing, and what's going to
what's what's the interest in the you know, this particular
story about this particular planet, you know, And I'm glad
that they went away from some of the additional Star
Trek kind of subject matter, which is, oh, we are

(07:05):
on this planet and there's this warring factions right, they
love that one Party A and Party B. Right, So
I was like, oh, here we go. Is this one
of those things where the community leader of that other
tribe who comes over here and sees the card has
beef with the other leader and there's this you know,
warring tribe element. You know, that's why they you know,

(07:28):
he's there to resolve this thing or whatever. And it
wasn't that. So I was happy about the twist in
the you know, in my expectations versus what I actually
saw in the episode.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I was definitely not that. And when I first
saw it, I remember thinking, oh, here we go. Here's
the town square aspect, here's the you know, the kids
plane horseshoe and people carrying fruits around. We definitely got
the town square, but it was a very like condensed story.

(08:05):
We're just following these people along and the one, you know,
the one thing that's they're one big conflict is the drought.
Apparently their planet is dying. Nothing they could I don't
know if they could have ever stopped it, you know,
they couldn't. They have no power over this thing. They're
not They can't fly, you know, and to the stars.

(08:27):
They can't really do anything. They're like pre warp everything,
so they're basically just dying, you know, they're kind of
doing superstitions. They're kind of saying like, well, maybe our
scientists can you know, plant more trees or figure stuff out.
But it's a pretty streamlined story and it's really easy
to follow. It's great. It's different than what we've seen,
although it did remind me of a couple things, like

(08:50):
I think that this is in a lot of ways,
it's TG's the visitor in a couple of ways. One
is like the time jumps, where like every commercial break,
we're now twenty years later or fifteen years later or
something like that. But it also reminded me a lot
of the episode where Miles O'Brien goes in that prison

(09:14):
for like twenty five years or something like that, and
he comes back in there like he was just out
for like an hour, you know, And so that almost
feels like a more powerful theme of like Picard just
lived thirty forty years, right, and now he has to

(09:35):
suddenly snap back to reality.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
And.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's got to be so hard, like snapping back to
reality after a week, you know, you go on vacation
from work, you come back after a week or two
or a month you come back, it's kind of takes
a while to get readjusted. Imagine being gone from the
entire planet for what fell felt like forty years, getting
reacquainted must feel so weird and just disconcerting. And they

(10:04):
gave us a good moment of that when he finally
comes back and he kind of just touches the wall
of the bridge, you know, really good acting there. But
there's a lot to it. Yeah, there's a lot to
this episode.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you mentioned the Visitor, and
I also thought about the Column episode where you know,
he's put in that mental kind of prison where it's
to serve that time out, and this does have elements
of both of those stories of the Visitor and the
other episode. I do see it parallel. I also see

(10:41):
some differences. Oh and the biggest difference for me, which
I thought was a great kind of walk away from this, was,
you know, the the value or desire that we have
to be remembered.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
It's like we talk about our ancestry in some way,
so we always try to find ways to connect ourselves
to the past, to people who lived before us in
the past. When we talk about our ancestry, right, I
come from this place. So that's actually identifying with a

(11:23):
shared memory of people, right, And so it may not
be as specific, but it's still a group of people
or an idea that lasted and fought for in this
country and this country or this country. And so when
you identify that in that kind of a way with
the group of people, you're remembering them, you know, you're

(11:47):
honoring their existence prior to yours. And I think that
was one of the big takeaways for me, was under
the circumstances of extreme annihilation, right, like where everything is
going to be destroyed. This planet is going to supernova,

(12:07):
so everything's going to turn into the star and there
will be nothing left of these people. You know, you
think about that on our own terms in this world,
on this planet that we're inhabiting together, and that's you
start to think, Oh, if we were facing that kind
of complete extermination or annihilation of just not existing anymore,

(12:31):
what would be important for us to leave behind as
a memory or a record of our legacy.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Definitely Three's Company. We'd want people to know about Three's Company.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Rush. Yeah, definitely. But you know it's like then that
kind of breaks down what matters in the world. But
it's almost you want everybody to be remembered because we
all have our own network of friends and family and
life experiences that we want remembered.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So yeah, I think it's important.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And it's it interesting that the Resicans, you know, these
people from Russic or whatever and that planet. It's interesting
what they chose to be remembered. They didn't go about
you know, putting Picard you know, in the presidential role
or something like that, to where then all of their

(13:29):
culture is remembered. They're different countries, the technologies, all of
these the things that really where the planet was, what
made up the planet. What they wanted him to learn
and to teach was just that within the community, the friends,
the family, the you know, the rituals or whatever they had,

(13:52):
the traditions, you know, like they really chose kind of
small scale, like here's who we were, not our overview statistics.
So it's really interesting what they chose for him to
learn about.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, and then you know, it's funny because I didn't
even think about this until now, but when you reverse
it in your head, it was kind of like almost
like the Truman Show in that Yeah, everybody kind of
knew what was going on, right, That's kind of what
they revealed in the end, was that everybody who was

(14:29):
in that opening scene where they're like, you don't remember
who you are? And you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
It could be it could be like here it comes, everybody,
all right, dress rehearsal's over, this is the real deal.
Here we go. But you know, it could also just
be a program where they all are believing it and
real until that very last chapter. Then that last chapter
is programmed as the big reveal where they get the
standing ovation for their performance.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, it's it could be both ways, but yeah, it
made me think because and the reason I say that
is because from the dialogue that was given between Picard
and the other council leader who came to visit. When
Picard suggested a water reclamation project to catch water out

(15:24):
of the air, the other guy was like, yeah, okay,
we'll consider that. But the way he said that, now,
in hindsight as you watch the episode, is as if
he knew already at that moment there was no way
to salvage their existence rights.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, right, so.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
He knew that they were destined to be exterminated essentially
in that moment. That's why Piccard said there will be
no He could read from his tone that that that
idea wasn't going to have legs and it was gonna,
you know, materialize. So I'm saying in that way, they

(16:07):
did know something in advance, prior to him solving the
you know, solving the equation of the soil samples and
you know what I mean, and then and mapping the
stars and whatever he was doing to figure out what
he was figuring out, they already knew from the time
that conversation happened. In my kind of hindsight reflection, it's

(16:30):
not obvious, but it feels like that, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Here's the crazy part is a lot of Star Trek
fans consider this to be the best Star Trek episode
a lot, or the best Next Generation episode or their
favorite episode. But this is a big, big, big one
in the whole Star Trek universe. And it kind of

(16:57):
makes me wonder why, Like, what is it about this
episode that makes people say, no, this is number one?
Because I mean, there wasn't a ton to it, So
I think what it is is just how it made
them feel at the end there, you know that, because

(17:18):
it gives you a feeling. You definitely feel something beautiful
when but Ty comes back and he's alive again and
they explain what the situation is and you get it
and you're like, wow, this is an entire race that
has been gone for a thousand years and they did

(17:38):
everything they could just to make sure one person would
know who they are. And I'm that one person that
got to live a life in their world. There's just
that beautiful moment, and I think that's what it is.
I think it's just how the episode makes you feel.
And it definitely makes you feel something.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yea, it makes you feel something for sure. I definitely
got teary ivy. You know, I have to admit it
hits you. It did hit me. I did get close
to the wife in particular, who I thought was fantastic
in this episode. She did a great job with her performance.
She just seems so loving and and just a good

(18:20):
partner for him.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
The best shoe put her away or ever, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, but just like you know, the comforts that
she brought to him, you know, like no matter how
ridiculous he sounded or acted, she always had a comforting,
you know, supportive tone to her. Approach, and I thought
this that she was excellent in this role, and then

(18:45):
so much so that as they grow older together, I
really kind of enjoyed their back and forth. I enjoyed
their chemistry. I enjoyed their relationship. And so you know,
that's one thing that this episode also did very well.
You mentioned selling the idea of falling in love in
one episode, and you know who is this person They

(19:07):
just came on and now I'm supposed to believe that
they're madly in love. And I actually believed that in
this episode because Picard was so resistant in the beginning
and the way it played out and his kind of
perpetuity of existing in this this particular mind, mindset or

(19:29):
fantasy that he was in our program. So yeah, I
thought that the actress that the actor that played his
wife Eileen, was Eline Eleen. Yeah, she was amazing. I
really enjoyed her.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I thought so too. She was great, very likable, charming.
I was just pulling up Peter Allen Fields because I
was like, I think this dude had a few pretty
good ones. He has writing credits on Duet. He wrote
the script for Duet, which is way up there. Well,

(20:10):
and then a bunch of other Next Generation or sorry's
face nine episodes. He did eleven of them for the
Uniform was a good one. In the Pale Moonlight he
did the story by so that's another. He's got a
few tip top episodes the Dogs of War.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Like nine are above.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, actually, yeah, he's so. Probably his biggest episodes are
this one duet and in the Pale Moonlight. But those
are three, what top five top ten episodes, you know
what I mean, Like, that's pretty gigantic.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
You know, it's pretty gigantic that he has put up
those kind of high numbers for his you know, impact
and touch on this this show, this franchise. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, you know, I really love to see Nurse
Ogawa in this. I thought she also. I thought she
was really good.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I feel like every time we see her, you like,
I don't know what it is, but you go, yay,
it's an Ogawa episode. Like here's kind of like how
you feel with O'Brien. You're like, yes, you know here,
you know this is this is great, especially when.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
She's given something critical to do and she's involved in
the scene heavily, not just as a background or not
just going yes yeah, yes, yes, and in this particular
back and forth, she looked like they triaging Picard right
on the spot. And you know, they didn't take him
to sick bay. They left him right there on the
you know, and they have their medical equipment in front
of them, which I also loved. As far as props

(21:45):
are concerned, I don't think props get enough love on
this show.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Props.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, yeah, more props because they're just you know, they're
they're handling some really cool looking gadgets. And I remember them,
you know, the briefing us before we would go on
to shoot, and they would hand us whatever tricorder or
whatever it was, and they'd say turn it on like this,
flip it like this, you know, and just talking to

(22:12):
it like this or whatever, whatever the whatever. The instructions
were of that particular device that you were holding, you know,
carry it like this, this is the thing. You would
read the vital signs like this. Uh. Props in the
prop department, guys would come up and say something like that,
and they always had the coolest gadgets that lit up,
and you know, you know, they were also in charge

(22:35):
of the phasers and basically any kind of prop that
you were carrying on your person would was theirs?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Were they ever like, yeah, a little extra tough about
like how fragile it was, or were they usually made
pretty well? Were they always? Were they ever like don't
put don't push too hard on this, or were they
made pretty solidly to where they're like, I just do
whatever you want?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, most stuff was made pretty solidly. They would you
know something was sensitive, they'll let you know that. Usually
they had duplicates of things, you know, so it wasn't
just one. But I remember going to a proper department
when you know, they had a little storage closet on
the set, and they also had prop guns in there,

(23:17):
like regular like you know, revolvers and old school guns.
So I'd go in there and just kind of take
a look at those prop guns on the set.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
You know, where are those from?

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Just any kind of throwback episode. Let's say they did
like a you know, a private investigation. You know, what's
his name? The private Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, So
they'd have guns for those kinds of episodes, and let's
say Far Beyond the Stars, for example, the cops coming

(23:51):
in there, you know, they carried guns, so they would
be a reason to have it on throwback episode Throb.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, we're gonna jump to our break in just a
second here, but I do have a point that I
thought something that I thought about you specifically, and it's
not necessarily good.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Uh, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I have a couple other, you know, points that it
will be fun to discuss, So we'll get to those
on the other side, including what I thought was like
the best moment. We'll be right back on the seventh Rule. Everybody.
Welcome back to the seventh Rule with sarrak Star trek

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fan Loften There, I am cool sweater. All right. Here
are the trivioid to the week era Buddy. The Enterprise
Encounter is a probe that is composed of parisium and talgonite,
a ceramic alloy. Caman has had a high fever for
three days. Council leader but Tie plants a sapling in

(24:55):
defiance of the drought. Captain Picard finds himself in the
commune of Horressic in the northern province of Catan. Picard
believes one can't be hungry, thirsty and exhausted. In a dream,
Camen is the best iron weaver in the community, came
and wants to build atmospheric condensers came and built a
telescope in a laboratory, and Marrabor is her father's daughter.

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All right, So there was a point star Rock where
I thought maybe, well, I think it was okay, I'll
tell you where it was. It was maybe fifteen or
so minutes in maybe twenty and Picard first picks up

(25:46):
or he's got his flute and he has his friend
visiting Batai and they're sitting outside and Batai says, you've
been brooding behind that flute all night, and he says,
I'm not brooding, I'm immersed in my music. And I
felt like, right then, I thought of you. I was like,
so Ockspaly, thinking like this episode's boring, Like is this

(26:06):
We're like, we're like, we're like getting close to halfway
into the episode, and so far he's literally just hanging
out with people because, like we understand what the conflict is.
On the ship, they're trying to revive Picard and he's
tethered to it. But on the planet there's very little

(26:26):
personal conflict for Picard, very very very little, you know,
and we really only hits towards the end. So I
was wondering, like, was there a point where you're like,
I don't know what they're talking about this episode? Ain't
that great? Isn't that? It's okay, I'll say this.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
There was a point when I was I didn't get
that he was aging right away, Like they didn't they
didn't say five years later right now.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
They sure didn't make it obvious.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
No, Yeah, And I was just like, why is his
hair so messy? Like I was like, wasn't this It's
like this was yesterday and all of a sudden his
hair got longer and a little bit more messy, and
I was like, what's going on here? Like is this
is this? You know? So I didn't register right away
that he was aging. So then I was like, why
is it just chilling and you know, relaxing and you know, like,

(27:18):
isn't he trying to get out of here?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Still?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
You know, it took me a second to register that, oh,
they're they're playing. Time is passing and he has just
accepted that he can't leave this planet and there's no
way to save him.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
And so that's when I started to say, Okay, so
this is not going where I think it's going. I
don't you know, A card saves the day points out
his ship. It's like, that's my ship right there. Yeah,
I mean he was.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
He was trying, but there wasn't much to it. Like
remember there was that one point where they kind of
hinted at it where she said where he's like, oh no,
I'm just building this telescope to monitor his son's readings
for the drought. And she's like, or maybe you're still
looking for that ship of yours or something. He's like, what, well, maybe,
I mean I guess maybe that's also I.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Happen to see it. I'm yes, I thought that was
pretty good, pretty good, you know, I didn't really think
it was slow based on one thing really alone, and
that is Picard Patrick Stewart's performance I thought was pretty
stand out. When he's in the bedroom or house and

(28:35):
she says, I'm going to fix some food for you,
and the way he's holding the bowl, the way he's eating,
and the way he delivers a line like this is
deliciously uh h h. He told me that he was
not you know, that he was in a foreign place
that he wasn't expecting even the food wasn't He wasn't

(28:56):
even expecting the food to be good. There was you
know then even when he says, look, I'm going to
ask some crazy questions, but I just need you to answer.
You know, I thought he gave a great performance in
this episode, and that's why I was kind of not
saying this is moving too slow or boring, because because

(29:17):
Patrick Sture was carrying it a lot.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, in that moment where he was eating the soup,
one of his good one of the good aspects of
his performance was that he wasn't getting comfortable. You could
tell in his mind He's like, I'm only here for
a minute.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I'm out of here. I'm out of here.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'm not gonna He didn't sit down at the dinner table.
He just sat on like a stool or whatever it was,
and he just kind of grabs a soup and hold
and he's just kind of like like just it was
like a quickie. It was like, Okay, I'm hungry, real quick.
Don't get comfortable. I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna
be on my way out. Nice meeting. You really appreciate
it is this UQ. I don't know what's going on,
but you know, he was very like like I'm on

(29:55):
my way out. I'm not you know, It's like it's
like if somebody comes over but they don't sit down.
They're like, I'm just dropping this thing off, bro, and
then I'm out, don't get don't get too close.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
And in that scene, you know, Eleen says to him,
how are you feeling? And he's like hungry, thirsty, exhausted.
You know, I guess this is not a dream.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, he's a little rough with her.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, he was rough with her. And then she said,
well this is He's like, where am I? What's going on?
She's like, this is your life, you know, this is
this is where you live. This is your life. And
he snapped at her and said, this is not my life,
you know, and he just he turned on his angry
pericard for a second, which I love seeing glimpses of
because you know, I think it's powerful when he gets

(30:43):
into that mode. He doesn't exercises it a lot, but
it does have power to it. And I also thought
that Patrick was in good shape. I don't know physically
he looked physically.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, he kind of had these ripped guns. He had
like a vein that was coming down there. I was like, hey,
Picard got rid in his fifties.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Man, Yeah, he looked physically fit. I was like, oh, okay,
this guy is ready to take a shirt off type moment.
He's okay with it. You know, he's got his guns out.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
So when he's when they're on set and she's like, hey,
you know, come to bet, he's like, is this where
I take my shirt off? Ruble? And they're like no, no, no.
Director's like no, no, no of you actually keep your shirt
on through the What about no the whole episode? Actually? Sorry?
You know. He's like, maybe we could add a scene.
I don't know what if I roll my sleeves up.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, okay, you can roll your sleeves up.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Uh, just wait till you see First Contact the movie.
Then you see guns out. That's for sure.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I thought that he also the council leader. But Tie
I liked him. I thought he was great. He started
off with a really funny line when Picard says to him,
you know, what is your name? And he's like, bro,
I'm your friend. I'm the Tie And he's like, oh
all right, and he says, uh, and who's that lady

(32:02):
that I was with? He's like, your wife, a lad?
You know. He's like, if you don't remember her, then
I don't think it's not safe to go.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's a good line, Yes, it was. You better just
have a poker night, bro.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
But a good line that she said too when she
when she gave the soup, he says, it's delicious. She goes,
you always say that. I'm like, that is such a
star trek thing to say, like they literally just arrived
somewhere and they're like, but this is your whole life.
He's like, no, it's not. And she's like, oh, you
always that is such a Cayman thing to say, Oh Cayman,
you and your restal antics. And then uh, and then

(32:41):
he talked about the voice. She said, the voice transit conductor.
I guess it's like their telephone, and he and then
she says, you have to wait until tomorrow. I'm like,
what kind of ship town is this? You have to
wait till tomorrow to use the phone. And they're gonna
program something to like zap a guy in a thousand years.

(33:02):
They definitely made some advancements, I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, and you know what advancements were made on Picard's side, because,
as we saw in the episode, he started off with
the reluctancy he started off like, this is not my life.
He started off like, hey, bro, I'll be out of
here real soon. I'll fix your little drought thing. You know,
here's suggestion, but you know, until I'm out, you know,

(33:28):
that's all I got for you right now. And so
so yeah, and then you start to see him really
become involved in the community, feeling like he was a part.
And I think that's another line that the Batai character
said that I really liked. And that's when he said,
for the first time, you're speaking like you're truly a

(33:49):
member of the community. And I thought, you know, how
important it is that and we talk about things are
people are the world in general, is to speak from
the perspective as being a member of the community and

(34:11):
in this case, the member of the community of humankind.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And so I think, you know that that kind of
resonated with me. In Betize words, I like the way
that was written.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
You know what I thought was the best moment of
this episode, actually, I mean the one that you know
made me feel something was you know, when Batai returns
and they all kind of tell him what the story
is and we get it really quickly. We get it
real fast. But it's when he's been it's actually this
one behind me. It's when he gets back on the ship.

(34:45):
Ryker brings him the flute, and he grabs the flute
and he just pulls it in and holds it tight,
and it's such it's such a beautiful moment where he's
he's shown some vulnerability there too, where it's just like,
I don't know, just the way he's holding it is

(35:05):
just feels like he's like, this is so precious to me.
This is literally the only thing other than my memory
that's left of this entire civilization, and it's it's like
his it's his touchstone into that. So for the rest
of his life he has this thing that when he

(35:26):
holds it, or when he plays it, or when he
looks at it, it takes him back to that place.
And I thought that was such a good addition. Whoever
added that at the end there, whoever came up with
that moment that, to me is like that was the
deal ceiler of this being a great episode because and

(35:47):
Picard's performance there, the way he holds it, like you
really feel how precious that thing is to him.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, and Ryker presents it to him and walks away,
and I thought that was, you know, a nice like
moment between the two of them. But yes, the scene
that moved me where I had tears was when he's
in the he's on the deathbed, you know, his wife's
on the deathbed, and you know, and you can see

(36:18):
he had actually fallen in love with her and they
built his family together, he had grandchildren. The way she
went out was in a way that was trying to
be easy on him too, you know, like she didn't
want to put any kind of burden on him on
that transition, so she was very soft about it, you know,

(36:40):
to put your shoes up, put your shoes away, a
long yeah. The line yeah and Picard's face, I mean,
he killed it in his reaction on watching her pass
away in front of him. I thought that was a
very crucial moment for this episode. And the other moment
was when he does have that kind of realization that
this whole thing is designed to make him remember them

(37:02):
and he says I'm the someone. He has that moment
where he's like, I'm the someone, you know, and I
thought the card delivered that as good as you can.
And then he went on to say I'm the one
it finds, you know, and so he's having this kind
of moment where it's like, holy crap, I thought it

(37:23):
was stuck on this planet and you know, living this
life for years and building his family and and all
of this was meant to teach me about you guys,
you know. And then he sees that his friends weren't
lost and dead and that his wife wasn't dead. You
know the look on his face when he sees her too,
by the way, Yeah, classic. So he just killed this episode.

(37:49):
Patrick Stewart really took advantage of every opportunity to to
win the performance in this episode.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, ate it up. I'm sure when he read the
script he was like, oh, right, time to teach a
clinic here. All right, let's go. H I got this one.
I'm gonna rest well, I got a big week ahead
of me. I'm sure he was so up for the
challenge and excited about it. Could be wrong, but that's
why I think when the Lady Eileen was on her deathbed,

(38:20):
there's definitely a plus and minus to me. One of
the plus is when she says, remember put your shoes away, beautiful, perfect,
nailed it. Minus was when she says to her grant
to her son, let me talk to my husband, and
he leaves and she dies. So the kid is like,

(38:44):
I mean, think of this. Your your mom got sick
and suddenly she's not doing well and you're like oh,
and she's like, you know, let me let me talk
to my husband. And you're like, okay, I'll just go
wait outside. Mom, let me know if you need anything,
you go wait outside. And then a couple minutes later,
dad says, all right, come back in now, and he's like, okay, cooh,
he's like, your mother's dead. By the way, what the wait?

(39:05):
What she told me to just wait outside for a
minute so that I could lose the opportunity to see
her in her last moment. It was just like the
rudest thing.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Like.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I was like, she told her to leave and didn't
even give him the opportunity to come back and say
goodbye or anything. I was like, that was cold, man.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I mean she could have just said come here and
give him a kiss, some foorhead type thing and said
I love you, go wait outside because I love you.
Moment would have been there, you know, at least she
would have that would have been part of her her
last words to him.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
But that dude just thought that he was going outside
for a couple of minutes and then come back in
with a glass of water for her and say what
else do you need? Momly, you know, maybe, but no
she's she was like, no, that's it. See you.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I mean, you know, it didn't bother me that much
because I didn't know that the thing was set up
for that moment with him, you know, to make him
to see how much he cares, to see how much
he has invested in these people in this story, and
you know, so you know, I was okay with it.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Plus I have forty three minutes to tell this entire story,
so I get it. I understand why it was like
that they had to like, you know, they got to
fly through an entire lifetime in forty three minutes. So yeah,
I get it. But it was just funny.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, but I really did like the moment where he
had where this is what felt like the Visitor to me,
when he's sitting down with his daughter Merritborr and he
tells her, you know, seize the time, arabor you know,
now we'll never come again. It felt like Cisco saying
to Jake, like, you know, you know, let go of

(40:47):
this and that and just live your life and be
happy and you know, enjoy your life. Basically, seize the time,
seized the moment, and stop, you know, don't focus on
the worst outcomes. So I like that as well.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, lots to like in this episode. We have a
few more minutes and I've got a few more notes
to knock out. There was when their son, baby Bitdai,
was growing up and you could hear him off in
the distance playing the flute and she's like, oh, he's
playing the flute or something like that. He was playing

(41:27):
like the Inner Light theme song, which was nice. And
also that tune that he was playing that was part
of the Star Trek Picard theme. So you didn't recognize
it at the time obviously because you hadn't seen this episode,
but the fans that had seen this episode inside the

(41:50):
Star Trek Picard season one theme, it was kind of
based off of this. You could hear that flute, that
Russican flute playing in the theme and that's what makes
it so beautiful, Like that was almost like his his
big crowning moment in a lot of ways. So that
was in the Picard theme song, which was beautiful. Yeah,
it's really cool. I will say when when Picard wakes

(42:14):
up on the bridge, it was the first time in
my life that I was like, wow, p Card looks
young's you know, strike in just like thirty seven minutes
of watching Picard get older and older. When it showed
him again, as you know what, fifty two year old
Patrick Stewart on the floor of the bridge getting up,

(42:37):
I was like, wow, he looks great, he looks terrific.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
He did, you know, And like I said, he looked
physically fit in the beginning. And then you know when
they cut back to him with the short hair and
you know, not aged, it's like that, you're looking good, right, yeah, man,
keep doing what you're doing. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
One of the things that I thought about when I
was watching this episode was something that I remember learning
about taking my daughter to an exhibit at the museum
and we went to go see King Tut and the
King Tut's you know, display of you know, is sarcophagus

(43:22):
and all of his headdresses and all of the stuff
that are involved with the King Tut exhibit. But one
of the things was the Book of the Dead, and
so I believe that was the name of the exhibit itself.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
An ecronomicon or is that what it's called.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
No, there's I'm not sure if that's what it's called.
But it's the Egyptian Book of the Dead. And one
of the things that I remember that stuck with me
on that and this is what it's one of their
you know, principles in this book, and that is that

(44:01):
no one truly dies until their name is spoken for
the last time.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Oh cool. Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's the Egyptian philosophy of life essentially, and our death
is that.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
That continue on as long as people talk about you
remember you mentioned your name?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yes, yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It's a very similar thing too. Sorry, go ahead finish.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Sorry, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
There's a very similar theme in the movie, the Disney's
movie Coco, which is, you know, like the Day of
the Dead in Hispanic cultures, where they're like, hey, as
long as we remember them and we honor them, then
they're still alive. And it was it's a really beautiful movie. Actually, Coco,
I don't think it got the love that it deserved.

(44:54):
And the trailer that they cut was kind of misleading.
Like when I saw the trailer, I was like, this
doesn't look great, but the movie itself I ended up
seeing it was great and it basically covers that beautiful movie.
I recommend that you see it if.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
You have not.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, and so that's also one of the intern Egyptian
principles that you'll find. And you know, I think that
when you think about people that have lived in that
we still talk about to this day, you know, just
thousands of years ago. You know, people that lived and
we still talk about them, and as their names continue

(45:28):
to resonate, then their life essentially.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Goes on. And that's what I was thinking in the
year twenty seven fifty, when people are watching this old
ass episode that's like seven hundred years old of Rock
and Ryan talking about that will still be alive. They'll
be writing down the other like they'll be like, dude,
these dad jokes from the twenty first century slat man,

(45:55):
these these still slat man in the twenty eighth century.

Speaker 8 (45:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I don't know about that, but uh, but yeah, I
think that's I think that's a great philosophy that was
kind of touched upon in this episode. It's like, Hey,
as long as we're remembered by you and you have
a you know, you speak us into existence, then boom,
we're still We're still in the game. So I think
that's a little bit of that principle and applied it
to this episode.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Absolutely excellent point for sure. Home run of the day.
Speaking of slaps, who's going to slap it out of
the park here? Who gets the home run of today's episode?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah? You know, overall love the idea, so the writers.
I just feel like I came up with a great concept.
But you know, dialogue wise, there's there aren't any lines
that just jump out at me as like this is
such you know, this is such good knowledge and wisdom
to hold on to. It's just they're very well delivered.

(46:59):
And so then I'm going to have to say that
the performance will be the thing that wins the day
for me. And I have to give the home run
to Sir Patrick Stewart, who was just phenomenal in this
episode to me with a very close running up of
his wife. Forgive me for not knowing her name, but

(47:22):
I just really loved the chemistry between them. There was
something about her that reminded me and I might get
flack for this, but remind me of like Kate Mulgrew
For some reason, and I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Interesting, interesting, but yeah, the actress's name is Margo Rose.
Margo Rose.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, Margo Rose was fantastic in this. But for sure,
without a doubt, it is Patrick Stewart that was the
home run hitter of this episode.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, it was sir Patrick for sure. Now, obviously, you know,
an actor can only do as well as what's on
the page a lot of times, you know, But so
the writers get a lot of credit for that, but
Sir Patrick definitely did what he did and brought it
to another level. Also, very close behind him, honestly to me,

(48:21):
was the director who was I already forgot, uh, Peter Lawrenson,
because I feel like this was a tough episode to direct,
not technically but because they crammed so much time and
it needs to make sense, and you know, sometimes people
don't know that it doesn't say five years later, doesn't
you know, there's all these things that happen. We need

(48:43):
to be able to pick up on it quickly, and
a lot of that is how you present it and
how that one scene was presented where but Ti comes
back to life and what's her name? Eileen comes back
to life and all this that was presented in such
a perfect way. I thought that's directing, and so a
really close second is the director. I thought it was.

(49:05):
You know, I don't think people will get a lot
of credit for some an episode that's not really flashy.
They get you know, they get credit for interesting camera
angles and you know, space battles. But I feel like
this one was really good. Okay, yeah, Hearon.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I love that last shot that he ended on with
the card in that study, in his own study.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I just like playing his little flu so cute. Here
are other people that love to study doctor Anne, Marie Siegel,
Eve England Out in Wales. You've at Black, TJ. Jackson,
bay Out Missouri, Titus Mueller, doctor Mohammed, Nora Neil oh Platte,
Joe Balcearadi, Mike Goo and doctor Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent,

(49:46):
Faith Howl, Edward Foltz, Matt Boardman, that's the Matt Boardman,
Chris McGee, Jake Barrett, Cool Guy, Henry Unger, Allison Leech Hide,
Julie manas Fi, Jed Thompson, doctor U V. Gruner, Glenn Iverson,
Dave Gregory, Chris Sternet, Greg k Wickstrom, Cassandra Gerard, Chuck A,

(50:09):
Chris Garris, and of course Jason m Oakin. All right, everybody,
Oakinshield Thorn Oakinshield. That's a character in the Hobbit. All right,
everybody stick around, We've got the free fra All up next,
we'll be right back on the Seventh Rule. Hi, everybody,

(50:30):
welcome back to the Seventh Rule with Sarrock Star Trek
fan lofton. This is the free for All with Melissa
Longo and her parrot kind of. Jason m Oakin is
here as well. Hi, everybody. Faith Howell is here on
the bridge of the Enterprise D with her looks like

(50:52):
Captain No there it is. Chuck A is here as well.
I see J. G. Hertzler behind you, and Eve England
is out in Wales. Welcome back. Steve Case aka Joe
Bugbuster is back as well. Welcome back. Alison Leech Hide
is wearing some Abyssinian Kiosk goodies. T. J. Jackson Bay

(51:15):
is also on the bridge of the Enterprise D wet Side.

Speaker 9 (51:21):
Oh yeah, okay, all right, Greg Kenzo colorful shirt Dinosaurs Cool.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Carrie Schwent is wearing her Captain Daython shirt. Darmack, Chris
Garris is here as well. He's got the show right
behind him. The Matt Boardman has a ruskin flute behind him,
and the dark Lord Chris McGee as a Stembolton chill
shirt on Thank Goodness for that. Jake Cisco guesses the

(51:55):
IMDb score.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Based like you is probably like a nine to two.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Nine two wow. Does anybody else have any guesses that
doesn't already know at that point one?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Five? Coming in way?

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Nine point two five?

Speaker 10 (52:24):
Now fun n seven point five?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Nine point two five?

Speaker 5 (52:31):
I was choking, okay, nine, how about it? Solid nine?

Speaker 10 (52:36):
I know what it is, so I'm not going to vote.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Uh face face, says she believes on IMDb it's a
ten nine point what seven? Wow? Nine point seven? And
Eve England you said seven point one optimistically?

Speaker 7 (52:54):
Maybe what's the wrong episode?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
It was the Inner it was the Inner Light? Did
you watch the Inner.

Speaker 10 (53:00):
Light like this behind me?

Speaker 8 (53:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
I think all that are in the correct answer is
nine point four?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Oh wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Like I definitely watched the wrong episode.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
All right?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Did we have any non appearance mentions? I didn't hear any. Okay,
what about some kind of or some sort of I
feel like they ran into one.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
Right, baby, exactly one. Data, speaking in the very second
line of the episode, says, it appears to be a
probe of some kind.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Nice, nice, kind of said in the Yoda way. All right,
Malissa alonga, will you please get a start off on
the right track. But telling us what you thought of
this Next Generation episode?

Speaker 11 (54:04):
Fair shaka, fair shaka, I was right today. He did
play that tune in this episode, and I was told
I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
So there, I was right. I did hear it in
this episode.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
But this.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Episode was. I really enjoyed it a lot for many reasons.
And I will say that it brought me to tears.
The ending brought me to tears because I don't know,
maybe I get emotional when I think of entire civilizations

(54:48):
being wiped out in maybe preventable ways. I don't know it.

Speaker 12 (54:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
He spent all this time with his family, and yeah,
I'm assuming he took the place of somebody who actually
existed in that village, and so all of those children
and all of those grandchildren and all of the people.
But I and I don't know. It's just to me,

(55:19):
it's heartbreaking to when that all of that is gone,
all of that is gone, and that's heartbreaking. I love
the difference in tone when Picard is in on Katan
Katan Katan Katan.

Speaker 12 (55:39):
Living his life.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
And on the Enterprise, because when they're on the Enterprise
there is this heightened sense of urgency and I believe it.
And I love the way that Riiker Riiker holds on
to Picard when he collapses and he's like, you're okay,

(56:05):
and he's so tender with Picard. I don't know, it's
like you don't see that side of Riker very often.
And then when Beverly's attending him and she's putting her
hand on his head, that is so tender as well,
and it's just it's good to see how much these people,

(56:26):
his crew love him.

Speaker 12 (56:28):
And I will leave it at Patrick Stewart is a
phenomenal actor, and his end scene when he learns that
the probe is for me and he's like, oh, it's
for me, the surprise on his face and in his voice,

(56:49):
and that got me too.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
I was like, oh my gosh, and I'm going to
tear up now. But it was just so beautiful. It
was really a beautiful moment. I really enjoyed this and
I'm not.

Speaker 12 (57:00):
I'm going to tear up.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
But I really enjoyed this episode.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Great stuff, not at all, we love it. Everybody cried
in this episode except for Eve, and I saw Jason
m Okin post on social media that this was the
seventeenth time he's cried for this episode. But thanks very much,
Lisa long Ago. All right, Jason, OK, what do you

(57:26):
think of this one?

Speaker 13 (57:27):
Well, you're wrong, it was the eighteenth. You have to
get your math right, especially about the Inner Light certainly
one of the most spoken about episodes of the Next Generation,
mostly because of its emotional impact. I guess at some level,

(57:49):
Deep Space has the Visitor and the Next Generation has
the Inner Light. I guess on an emotional level, those
are kind of comparable episodes. Completely different stories obviously, but
also kind of an unlived life that that sort of
primers both. And I think, you know, as Melissa said,
a lot of this holds up by the performances. And

(58:11):
I think Patrick's performance, especially especially as the old man
at the end, he's just wonderful. I think Margot Rose
is wonderful as a Lean. I think she does a
wonderful job of playing the character, kind of a fully
realized character, even though she's not on screen. All that much.
It's a it's a beautifully written episode, it reads really

(58:32):
really well, and it's just again it's it gives you
a kind of an unusual science fiction concept, or at least,
you know, unusual for the times. Star Trek has come
back to it in Deep Space and hard Time. Actually,
Margot Rose wasn't hard Time as well? Come back. It
comes back not so well on Voyager in expost Facto

(58:54):
and in Memorial and then remember, so they've used the
sort of same concept over and over again. But here
it's just done wonderfully and it's kind of an unforgettable hour,
certainly of the next generation, and something that stands out
to all of us, I think musically is one of
the better episodes of the latter seasons, which is a

(59:15):
little bit unusual now that certain composers are no longer
stead of working on the show. There are lots more
things to say about this, and maybe I'll be a
contraryan and I'll say a few things that perhaps are
not quite with people are thinking. So I'll save that
for later.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Great, that's two people in a row that love the music.
Melissa loved Freerzhaka. Thanks very much. Jason M. Oakin All right, faith,
howell you love this season. This has to be one
of the reasons you love this season so much?

Speaker 14 (59:48):
Right, Yes, However, Oh, if I'm going to skip an
episode this season, it's going to be this one. And
it is not at all because it is not a
fabulous episode. It just as Melissa said, like as I
watched it just wrapped up thirty seconds before we hopped
on and the tears are still like right here. Okay,

(01:00:11):
so it pulls the heart strings. You got to be
in the right mood for this episode, for sure.

Speaker 12 (01:00:17):
And definitely there's like.

Speaker 14 (01:00:19):
Layers, right, So as a kid, I didn't necessarily go
on the whole emotional life journey like I do now,
but there definitely is a little bit of terror in
what could happen to our earth. It is it is
us right, concerns that we have today and continue to have.

(01:00:41):
And the older I get, I can't speak for all
of you guys, but the more concerned I get in
the same way, like it's shocking to me how fast
I'm seeing things develop. And you know, it seemed like
science fiction when I saw it on this episode when
I was six, but now it's ever more real and
you know it as it wrapped up that the scene,

(01:01:04):
you know, with the grandson and things like that. We
care about our people. We want our descendants to continue
to have safe and healthy lives into eternity, right, and
so this episode kind of stings in the right ways,
but also it makes it difficult to jump in and

(01:01:26):
fully just enjoy a light, you know, enjoyable Trek episode.
So I will wrap up by saying, I hope that
maybe Carrie will back me up on this. The tune
that Picard plays on the flute at the end reminds
me a lot of the Outlander theme, like and so

(01:01:50):
I was I was jamming today.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I did not see that comment coming. Appreciated good stuff,
all right, Chuck a a ka TNNG fanatic, What do
you think of this episode? So so or what? Well?

Speaker 15 (01:02:08):
Such a wonderful episode. You know, had the kind of
slow start to figure out what was going on with
the probe. But Patrick Stewart was just wonderful in the episode,
and as the episode progressed, he got better and better,
if that's possible. As came in he was showed so

(01:02:34):
many emotions and got to kind of live with the
life he has now. The Daniel Stewart played young but Ti,
who was at Patrick Stewart's actual son in this episode.
And there was two or at least two others that

(01:02:56):
I know of that wound up being in other Star
Trek Ventures series. Richard Real who played the Tie was
a voyage I think two voyager episodes, and Scott Jack
or Jake he wound up being Commander Cavit and Caretaker

(01:03:17):
and a voyager.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:03:22):
So one thing I do remember from convention at Star
Trek Las Vegas. I didn't get to see the panel,
but Margot Rose and Patrick Stewart did a panel talking
about this episode if anybody wants to look at up,
but I saw it on YouTube. It was a little

(01:03:43):
really nice, uh interaction between the two of them on
the panel. Yeah, this was just such a wonderful episode
and the script was just just awesome. One of my
favorite episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Mm hmmm, I'll check out that interview. Thanks very much,
Chuck A. I mean, after this recording, appreciate it. Eve
England is out in Wales and I'm dying to know
what you think of this episode. Only second to Sirac
because you also haven't seen this episode before. It's brand
new to you, you thought it was a seven at best?

(01:04:22):
What do you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Think came me out?

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
Because I I did agree with what everyone just said,
but I have to conform. I was a bit conflicted.
So I was watching it and I was just so bored.
For most of the episode. I was like, where is
this going? Didn't understand what was you know, because you
don't find out that you know what's actually happened until
that sort of last bit. And I agreed that last
scene with Picard in his room with the flute was

(01:04:47):
just incredibly powerful, and I thought that was amazing. But
I just I couldn't get over it was just the
most creepy, horrible episode I've ever seen. It was just
I can't believe that the those people did that Picard.
Why not just leave like a time capsule. Why put
somebody through decades of living a life that's just completely

(01:05:10):
not real and then to just dump him back where
he was twenty five minutes later, And I I just
couldn't help feel just incredibly sad for him, but probably
not for the same reasons everybody else was. But I thought,
this guy has gone through so much, he's already been
kidnapped by the book already and the trauma that how
long that took him to get over that situation, And

(01:05:31):
then I was thinking, we're not even going to see well,
I mean, I might be wrong by it. I think
I'm not going to see any more of how how
this change is Picard because that would have fundamentally changed
him having gone through all of that and then to
have to sort of come back. And I know they
sort of they sort of picked on it, and they
made a couple of points around that it was kind

(01:05:53):
of obvious obviously he was having to deal with it.
But I assume that we just move on the next
episode and they don't really talk about it, and I
just feel, I don't know that's you know, in DSMIN
with you know, Chief of Brian, you have you get
a sense of that impact and you know the ongoing
impact on him. But I'm starting to feel that Picard
is actually the original and Brian must suffer person because

(01:06:16):
it's pretty awful what he has to go through. And
so I completely agree everything that when Ilse said it
was beautiful, all that sort of points about climate change
is really but to me, I just couldn't get over
the fact that these people chose to do that, and
I didn't. I just couldn't get get past that. I
was like, that kind of ruined that sort of emotional

(01:06:37):
aspect to me because it kind of added a sort
of cruelty and a sort of sinister aspect to it,
because it just didn't seem to be necessary to do
it that way. So yeah, that's that's why I give
it a low score because I thought it was a
really interesting sci fi concept, but I didn't think that's
what they were they were going with it. They were
going from more of the emotional aspect rather than the
fact that this is a really creepy idea.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Thanks very much, Eve England out in Wales the Inner
Light creepy episode. All right, Steve Case, Welcome back, Joe Bugbuster,
what do you think of this one?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Great to be back.

Speaker 16 (01:07:16):
And I did my rewatch last night, so no more tears.
When I first remembered what episode this was going to be,
I thought of the flute, of course, and all the
memes that go along with that, and I kind of
set me off a little bit. And then I remembered
a couple episodes with women that Picard had deep feelings

(01:07:38):
for and he had to let them go. Because of
his role as a star fleet captain, including one a
few weeks ago about that. But this episode wasn't really
like either of those either. Once I started watching, I
remembered how wonderful the episode is lank Picard experience marriage
and raising children in a simpler life, and I understand

(01:08:02):
this is also Patrick Stewart's favorite episode. Understandably. I enjoyed
his transition from hostility to suspicion, to acceptance to embracing
his growing family, and I thought, those are actually the
same steps that we go through with death. Also, it

(01:08:24):
was like death of his self and moving into this
whole new life. And then that moment when he says
he wants her permission to build something a nursery. Okay,
then we went all Little House on the Prairie. I
think it was poetic that he that the flute was

(01:08:47):
left on the probe, and then the way that he
held the flute to his chest and still knew how
to play it and remembered everything. So I've got some
things left unsaid, but I really liked this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Very nice, awesome Little House on the Prairie. Thanks very much,
Steve case all Right, Allison Leech Hide you've seen this
episode before, right, what'd you think of it?

Speaker 17 (01:09:12):
Quite a few times. I agree that you have to
be in the mood for this episode. I was like,
planned my night last night and like, I'm gonna watch
it tonight. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm watching it tomorrow.
I need something happy. I'm not gonna watch this one.
So I did change for that, and yeah, it's because
it makes me cry, especially the end that that last

(01:09:34):
not the last well also the last scene, but the
last scene with the people of Katan, where you know
they're like, say, like bringing him back to himself, like
easing that transition again. I don't. I mean, it's a
twenty five minute thing that happened, but they're easing his
transition to like, actually, no, this isn't who you are,
but we wanted you to experience what we were like.

(01:09:56):
And it's been a thousand years and so we're gone,
but talk about us. It's up to you now. I'm like, oh,
that's that's heartbreaking and horrifying that I do agree with
Eve that that is a horrifying way of teaching somebody
about your culture is sending out a probe to volunteer
you to learn this, like he didn't volunteer to learn.

(01:10:18):
So yeah, that is a little creepy. But it is
beautiful and it's not just beautifully written. The costumes were beautiful.
The makeup was very well done. Of course, Michael Westbourne
always does a great job, and I love that. You know,
Picard got to experience a life of an artist, but
he still was a scientist. And yeah, so it's a

(01:10:42):
beautiful episode. My favorite scene is actually when he's talking
with his adult daughter and you know, he's like, live
in the now. Now is the only time you have.
When she's like, well, I should get married sooner rather
than later, He's like, yes, go go do it now,
because we don't know how long we have. That's true,
whether our son is going supernova or not. So I

(01:11:03):
love this episode, but I do have to be in
the mood for it. And one fun little thing during
a production meeting of this particular episode, the drawings for
Deep Space nine were on the script by Steinbeck. He
was working on them during the meeting, doodling on his script.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Wow, that's cool, all right, thanks very much, Alison Leech.
Hide definitely have to be ready for this episode. Thanks
very much. TJ. Jackson Bay is ready for any episode anytime.
What do you think of this one?

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
I think I think, like Alison and Faith, I do
have to be I have to have my mindset to
watch this episode. It's not something I would just flip
on like oh the interlights on, I'll watch it like No,
I have to mentally prepare for it as well for

(01:12:03):
all the reasons that have been said. So yeah, this
episode that's kind of me I'm kidding. Incredible and it
gives you so much to think about. Uh, and you know,
it takes you on a journey, you know, if you're
willing to go with Picard. I don't feel any sort
of you know, horrific sense in him taking that journey,

(01:12:30):
but also can see, you know, where someone might. But
a couple of things that I really appreciated about that
journey is again I think it was Chuck that mentioned
how Stewart played it, and that in the beginning you
see him just kind of completely rejecting, you know, the experience,

(01:12:53):
and then you know, by the time it's complete, he's
fully in it. Yes, he remember members, you know, being
on a ship a long time ago, but he's so
far from that that he's fully in the life that
he's leading on Katan or Caton as some people like
to say. And I think it was Alison that that mentioned,

(01:13:18):
you know, his talk with his daughter, and that was
actually one of my favorite quotes of the episodes is
when he says, make now always the most precious time.
Now will never come again, And like Allison, do think
that's important whether or not the sun is going super
and over all we have is now the past. That's

(01:13:40):
a memory. The future hasn't come yet, but you have now,
so you can choose, you know, how you experience now.
You can choose, you know, to experience it with happiness,
or you can choose to experience it with worry or
any of the range of emotions that are available to us,

(01:14:01):
and all of them are perfectly fine. It's okay to worry,
sometimes even appropriate. Sometimes it's okay to be afraid, but
it's also just as okay to be happy and joyful
and peaceful. And the choice is yours. No one can
make that for you, and no one can take that
from you. And I think that that is just profound

(01:14:25):
and really sums up the episode for me. Another favorite
moment I had is when Cayman and the Tie are
sitting out on the back porch and I can never
remember his wife's name, and that's just terrible. Someone Aileen,

(01:14:46):
come on, Eileen. Eleen comes comes out and says, but Tie,
and he says, yes, ma'am, go home, Yes, ma'am. I
love that moment because it sums up to me, you know,
the bond and friendship that they had in that community,

(01:15:06):
and the respect that they have for each other, and
just the kind of sense of camaraderie, and just that
moment stands out to me as well. I think it's
poignant that all of this happened in twenty minutes. That
means for every minute that passed on the enterprise, he
was living like two years. And you know that's kind

(01:15:29):
of insane. Speaking of that, Where was counselor Troy doing
all this? You have sense that all this was going
on story for another day, and some things left them said,
I have plenty of those. By the way, I'll end this. However,
someone else, you know, mentioned the music. But also another
very poignant moment for me is that the end closes

(01:15:51):
with the ship flying by and him still playing the
float flute, and there's until the end credits, no other
fanfare other than just him playing the flute. And if
you haven't cried by then you should or you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Have a heart.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Thanks very much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
T J.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Jackson Bay calling some of us out, I think far Sorry,
I still like a firing squad on Eve right now.
Thanks very much.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
T J.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Jackson Bay out in Missouri. Greg Kenzo's in Hawaii? What
did you think of this one? Greg? It's all right now,
I'm just kidding. It's amazing, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
So the first time I saw this episode was about
ten years ago, and it's one of the few that
like really stand out in my mind, so I know
that it has It has had a profound impact on me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
I just want to note that Picard was the original
settler of Preten.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Was talking about it earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
Some of you will get that, but yeah, no, I
vividly remember the first time I saw this and it's
profound impact.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
It didn't affect me.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
As much this time because I've seen it already. I
had not heard anything about this episode going in. I
was a part of the Star Trek fandom really online
or anything, and so I was surprised at how deeply
I was affected. It did more than speak about the
importance of so much that we take for granted. It

(01:17:36):
imbued its viewers, or at least I felt at the
time that with the message do not take life for granted,
make the best of the time you have. Like a
minute's a cliche by now, but it demonstrates and it
also demonstrates the wondrous ability of humans to adapt to
any situation they encounter. I remember hitting me hard that

(01:18:02):
Battie had died. It did seem like they kind of
glossed over that. But the actor who did that, who
I didn't look up because I didn't want to see
the IMDb score, did a great job with establishing the
chemistry of a friendship with Patrick Stewart. Yeah, I've known,

(01:18:22):
but tis I feel like I've been a Battie like
kind of like a mentor a little bit, but like
a friend.

Speaker 16 (01:18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
At the end of the episode, the pause before Picard
says come like he had forgotten that was his go
to response. That was a nice touch. Yeah, And like
TJ said, and it's a bit cliche now, but the
philosophy I pulled from this episode and it bears repeating,

(01:18:51):
it was given by Picard sees the time Marra bores
live now, make now always the most precious time. Now
will never come again. Yeah, and it's become cliche.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
For a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
Every time I hear it, I realize that I need
the reminder desperately. It's it's easy to forget and to
think that I think I have all the time in
the world until I look in the mirror. I'm five
years older and a little bit wider, you know. It's yeah,

(01:19:24):
and I think it's serendipitous. Serendipitous that Jason mentioned that
that the comparisons between this and The Visitor because the
Delta Flyers are actually releasing The Visitor today, so it's like, yeah,
both are kind of happening at the same time. Not

(01:19:44):
to promote promote other podcasts right now, but it's really
cool and it features are our Man right here.

Speaker 13 (01:19:53):
It's rock.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
There's also but yeah, I agree, now none that I've
heard eve and this is last point, don't make it's that. Yeah,
this is kind of messed up when you think about
it like that. There's an episode of Voyager where they
take five crew members and I think they they're given
false memories of both of committing genocide pretty much, and

(01:20:19):
they're both the perpetrators and the victims, and so yeah,
it's they kind of take this to the extreme. But yeah,
all in all, it was a great episode. First time
was amazing. This time it was great. But always remember
your first.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Mm hmm, I'm trying to see I think I think
Sorock might be doing a panel on the visitor in
Vegas or something like that. I don't want to misspeak.
I'd have to relook that up or something like that.
I'm not sure. Stay tuned for an answer on that.
Thanks very much. Greg Kenzo out in Hawaii, Carrie Schwent

(01:21:01):
a k A crafty Bear, what do you think of
this one?

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
It's yeah, heep, being on, keep been on the love bandwigon.
There's definitely a reason why this It's not that it's
number one and i am DB's yeah top You can
click click on the link and see all the episodes
ranked in orders there I'MDB scores. Of the top ten,

(01:21:26):
there are only two so far that we have not
have not gotten to yet, so I'll call those out
once once we get to them. But something, the phrase
is her popped into my head watching it this time around,
and every time I watch it, I cry.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
I'm a crier.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Y'all know me. You've seen me cry.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
I'm a crier. But this time around, just the phrase
that popped in my head was it's subtly profound.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
It's got such.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
A nice slow pace to it. I like the break,
the breaks in the story to go back to the
bridge and you come back and it's a few years later.
I like, I really like how that's how that's paced.
So it's it just kind of sits sits in there,
in your in your heart and just sort of hang
hangs out there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
A little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
Yeah, anyway, I don't know what I was trying to
say there, but I will fine. But my usual, my
mini mini gush on the on the guest.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Stars old, older, but time.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
Of all of the people I have looked up on IMDb,
he now holds the record for the most IMDb acting credits,
not accounting not counting the fourteen he has under Upcoming,
he has a grand total of four hundred and twenty
one acting credits since he's been acting my entire lifetime. Literally,

(01:22:48):
very very cool. Love him on Voyager. He is also
in a brief scene on an episode of Bucky the
Vampires Player that is fantastic. Sadly of those four hundred plus,
as he was not on Doctor Quinn much to myself, unfortunately,
I checked every single one. Sure luck, but younger Young Beatie,

(01:23:12):
and I didn't hear anybody mention this yet, but Young
Betie is played by Patrick Stewart's real life son, Daniel,
and when you see it you can see the resemblance,
and he in a late and when he only has
like ten or twelve acting credits, he plays Patrick. He
plays his father's son again on a one at one

(01:23:34):
season series that was on HBO. I think it was
called called Blunt Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Derek liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
I didn't care.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
I love Patrick Shearer, but I did not care for
that show. But he plays his father son again, and
then I thought that was I thought that was very
much adorable. Mike, like Michael Westmore, I agree that Patrick
Stewart should have won an Acting Emmy for this episode.
He has got apparently gotten on record saying that, and
I am one hundred percent with him.

Speaker 8 (01:24:02):
It was nominated.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
I don't think it won though, for best Makeup. And
I did like the progression of the old age makeup
on everybody in the YP so much better than the
makeup for too short a season. That stuff was not
very good. But I want Eleen's necklace, the little miniature
version of the of the Probe that I put sort

(01:24:26):
of hanging out behind me. And I love the tied
die and everybody's clothes I love, I love tied eye,
so I had to have that for my background.

Speaker 8 (01:24:33):
But if anybody knows.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Where I can get a version of that necklace. I
love anything like in miniature, and I thought the Probe
was super cool and like the miniature version of it
was adorable. Where oh yeah, before I get to the
the limerick, I have one one last thing and it's

(01:24:56):
the tiniest of nitpicks. I I'm so glad that the
car the bridge, the bridge has carpet, because if you're
going to be laying there for like twenty twenty five minutes,
laying on carpet is a good thing. Beverly could a
knit into his ready room and replicated him just a
little pillow for under under his under his head, because

(01:25:17):
even for twenty minutes laying on carpet, the back of
your head's going to be going to be sore. But
like I said, just the tiniest, tiniest of nitpicks, But
of course the limerick for the episode does belong to
Picard post probe experience. How to adjust now that I

(01:25:41):
am back home. I had a family, but here I'm alone.
All that I met are now gone, but through me
they will live on the probe we found no longer
will roam beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Thanks very much. Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear. Great Kenzo
thought about it for a second and he's like, yeah,
I'm down with thank you so much. The Matt Boardman's
up next. If you can believe it. What do you
think of this one?

Speaker 18 (01:26:09):
Well, obviously I agree with everyone else here. It's a
fantastic episode. It's it's a it's an emotional episode. It
I find myself my my brain wandering to other other
things that that relate in some sort of way to
the you know in my life like this and and

(01:26:32):
particularly that ends scene with Picard as he's walking around
his quarters and kind of reacquainting himself. But there's a
sense of loneliness that you know, because he's because yes,
like he has lived a full life, a whole other life,
and now that's gone. And and it made me think

(01:26:52):
of times in my life where I you know, I've
felt a similar way where whether it's you know, you
have family visiting for a time period and they leave
and you're suddenly by yourself again, or as a as
a divorced father having to take my kids and drop
them off with their mother, you know, and coming back
to an empty apartment. And then, if you'll permit me

(01:27:12):
to be a little cheesy here, but at the end
of STLV, when you know that there's no more of
the convention, and in some ways, it's almost like you
live a lifetime in those four days of the convention,
you know, and then you go home and you have
to say goodbye to all these wonderful faces that I'm
looking at right now, who who make the journey out there,

(01:27:36):
and and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
So it you know it I there are.

Speaker 18 (01:27:41):
I love that these stories have impacts beyond that. And
then I'll just one last quick thing, you know, talk
about things left and said, I loved that that very
emotional scene where Elena is dying and as she's dying,
she tells him to remember to pick up his shoes,

(01:28:04):
you know, and uh, it just reminded me of when
Gary Hutzel, who was my first view the Effect supervisor,
when he passed away, and Gary, you know, worked on
many episodes of Next Generation. In Deep Space nine, we
had to go pick up some equipment from his house
and over their couch they had in uh in vinyl

(01:28:29):
they had on their wallet, says, please don't leave me
sleeping on the couch because his wife Kathy would frequently
fall asleep on the couch. And it just, you know,
it just it's just those those sweet, tender moments, and
that's I think, that's what I love about this episode
is that it it takes us away from the starships

(01:28:50):
and the aliens and everything like that, and it brings
us down to a to a human level. It tells
us just a human story that has a lot of heart.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Absolutely, that was like, man, that was like the line
of the episode. Thank you very much, the Matt Boardman,
great stuff. Really appreciate that. Chris McGee's like, I don't know,
I got one in my bag, but Chris Garris is
up next in Southeast Texas. What'd you think of this one?

Speaker 10 (01:29:20):
So usually when I sit down to start watching these,
I'll get you know, my Google doc up and prepared
to start and making notes. And I was gonna do
that during breakfast and I started watching just like, I
don't need to take any notes. There's nothing negative to
say about this one. For the most part, I can't
think part of anything. It's just a great episode all
the way through. I mean, of course, at Nursey when

(01:29:41):
he comes up, he's like where am I at? You know,
he's being the captain and then you know, I like
how he you know, he changes and learns to fall
into the society. And it did take me a second
when he first said we need to build a nursery.
I was thinking, like a nursery for like outside, for
plants and stuff, and then I was like, oh, that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Type of nursery.

Speaker 10 (01:30:02):
And you know, I loved there was a line I
can't exactly remember how the exact quote for it, but
when he said, you know, he never I think it's
doing the naming ceremony. He said he never thought kids,
you know, would make him whole or something of that nature.
And first, you know, again as who if the card is,
you know, he doesn't like kids, and for him to

(01:30:26):
have that large of a character change just it says
a lot about him. And of course Patrick Stewart did
just an excellent job at this one. I mean he
says it's this favorite episode that he's ever done for Enterprise,
I mean for the Enterprise for next Gen. Yeah, I
you know how he's felt, like you know, doctor Krusher.

(01:30:47):
One thing I thought was like, you know, she really
should have I felt I could have over you know,
countermanded it Riker when they were trying to cut the
that probe because she technically out ranks then when it
comes to anything medical, so she could have stopped that
and not risked that. And of course Wharf always wants

(01:31:10):
to fire something and he was still no again as usual.
But yeah, it's you know, and like I said, I
had forgot I hadn't watched it in a long time.
But as after we got into I was like, oh, yeah,
I remember this one, and it's it is it can't
get emotional at the end. I definitely can do that,

(01:31:31):
and like the song fair Zhaka, like everything. It just yeah,
I didn't like, I don't have to I don't really
have to make anything because I just don't really have
eveny nitpicks or you know, negative stuff about this one.
It's just it was a you know, as somebody said
to chat and also Ron Moore just thought it was
another episode, and it wasn't until after they got done

(01:31:54):
he's like, oh, this is a you know, they had
written something. It was just yeah, and so yeah, it's
a good one. I definitely uh and and I think
I'm like with some of olars it's not something not
one that I just watched. I'm not and I don't
skip it just because it's just, you know, it's one
of those ones you just you know, you just got

(01:32:15):
to be in the mood to watch because it doesn't
have any action. And it made me wonder for a
second if this was almost written as like a slight
bottle show. But I don't think so, because they did
go I mean, they had both sets, but they still
they kind of stayed down at the planet for the

(01:32:36):
most part. Yeah, and the last thing I will say
it was I did kind of think it was interested
and he once again had to do with a dealt
with a son that was going supernova, you know Robins.
Later on he has to work with them on that,
but we see how that goes. But yeah, anyway, it's

(01:32:56):
it's definitely got that it earned at nine point four.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Oh Yeah, thanks very much. Chris Garris out in Southeast Texas.
All Right, everybody's dying to know what the sentence the
line of the episode is. But Chris McGee's got a
review to give us first. What do you think of
this one, Chris McGee? Did you love it?

Speaker 8 (01:33:18):
Depending on my mood, the best episode of the Next
Generation is either the best of both worlds or the
Inner Light. It's tough to choose, so I choose both anyway. Predictably,
I echo everyone else's thoughts about this episode, even Eves.
The story is told perfectly and has such an incredibly

(01:33:40):
bitter sweet ending that I can never sit through this
one without a box of tissues nearby. The only bad
thing I can say about this episode is now that
we reach what is arguably the pinnacle of the Next Generation,
it's all downhill from here. But that's only because this
episode sets the bar so sky high that even the

(01:34:01):
best episodes of the last two seasons can possibly compete.
And you cannot talk about this episode without including Jay
Chadway's incredibly memorable tune played on the russ Can flute.
It's about the closest to a number one Billboard hit
that Star Trek gets. Besides the thinking songs to the shows, themselves.

(01:34:22):
It has become so iconic that a six minute extended
version of the song appears on the album The Best
of Star Trek Volume one, with a full orchestral backing,
And of course I always choke a when that song
comes up in my rotation. I did, believe it or not.

(01:34:43):
I found one nitpick with this episode. Wow, And that's
the shot of Picard on the hill in the first act.
But when he shows that he's empty handed, but in
the reverse angle, you can see a straw hat in
his left hand, and I had never noticed that before.
And all my watchings of this episode, I have more

(01:35:06):
brief observations, but because we have such a packed house
here tonight, I'll save them for things left unsaid. So
please consider becoming a patron of the seventh Roull and
I'll see you on the other side. So I'll get
to my memorable quote. I've chosen a simple two word
farewell that I admire from this episode, which appears to

(01:35:27):
be the Katan equivalent of take care, and that is
go carefully.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Great stuff. Thank you very much, Chris McGee. You guys
were looking at a hat and the card's arm. I
was looking at those vainy, badass forearms that.

Speaker 19 (01:35:40):
Dude's sons uh fake Jake's final take.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Everybody thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
I like the props, the medical device props that were
kind of surrounding Kakar while he was being worked on.
They looked really cool to me, So I just like
those medical props. I loved when Nursagawa said massive so
much a physical failure. It was a very kind of she.
She was excellent as her as a nurse in that

(01:36:33):
scene with Beverly. I liked her very good moment for her.
Turns out Picard ken actually love and be in love,
but I guess only in a hypothetical, imaginary situation, so
under normal circumstances, he would totally not be able to

(01:36:55):
allow himself to love this much. I think my other
point is I really loved the look on Eleene's face
when Picard said he was going to build the nursery.
She had a really like that moment of the gas
be shocked and you can see her processing becoming a
mother in her head, and I thought she played that

(01:37:16):
moment very well. Picard sitting on the stoop with the flute,
I thought to myself, no matter how far back history goes,
there's always somebody hanging out on the stoop, you know,
in front of their house. So that's just I guess timeless.

(01:37:37):
Let's see. I also thought that, you know, what if
it wasn't Picard? I mean, what if it was somebody
who wasn't who didn't have that same kind of sensibility
and logic. I mean, what if it was a Cardassian

(01:37:57):
or Ferengi or Klingon. You know, would they be so
willing to embrace the idea of being this emissary on
behalf of the people, or would they be even more
resistant and fight against this idea. I still want to

(01:38:19):
pose this question, and that is the Truman Show question
that I want to pose on the other side. Was
everybody aware of Picard being this designated person in the
beginning of this episode? So that means when they pretend
like they didn't know he lost his memory, that they

(01:38:41):
didn't know who he was, was that part of an
act by this community of people. I'm going to pose
that for the other segment on the other side. Also,
I do think that Eve makes a very good point
because because when we talk about Stockholm syndrome, we talk

(01:39:03):
about somebody who's you know, basically fall in love with
their captor, and to some degree this is he has
been captured, he is a he is there against his will,
and so him falling in love with that situation are
endearing himself is actually a medical condition that's already been

(01:39:28):
talked about, and so people do accept their six situations
in those kinds of scenarios and they develop what has
been labeled as Stockholm syndrome. So I do think it's
an interesting perspective to bring up about the ethical aspect
of what they're doing. And then the last thing I'll
say is I have a problem with them saying that

(01:39:54):
they have limited missile technology where they're able to just
barely get up rock and they barely have a phone
that you can use the next day. Yeah, but they
have the ability to build this probe that is able
to download all this information onto somebody. It seems very
sophisticated for an unsophisticated group of people. So that's my

(01:40:18):
final take.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Mm hmm, all right, great stuff, everybody, Thank you very much.
Chris McGee, Chris Garrison, Matt Boardman, Carrie Schwent, Greg Kenzo.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
T J.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Jackson, bat Missouri, Alison Leach, Hide, Steve case, Eve England,
Chuck a faith Howl, Jason m Oak and Melissa A
longo for myself, Sarah, Melissa and mister Aaron Eisenberg. Thank
you all very much for hanging out with us. We
will see you next time, and until then, always remember

(01:40:52):
the Seventh Rule

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