Captain Edward Jellico | TNG 6.10, "Chain of Command, part I" | T7R #366 - The 7th Rule -- A Star Trek Podcast with DS9's Cirroc Lofton

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
William t Riker graduated eighth in his class in fifty seven.
Line ours are some kind of celtran bat and Captain
Jellico prefers a certain formality on the bridge. Hello everybody,
and welcome to the Seventh Rule with sar Rock Lofton. Hello,
my name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we are doing

(00:22):
a review of Star Trek the Next Generation, Season six,
episode ten, Chain of Command, Part one, story by Frank
about DeMarco. Teleplay by Ronald D. Moore, directed by Robert Shearer.
This was December twelfth, nineteen ninety two, which was four

(00:44):
weeks after the previous episode, so clearly there were a
few weeks off there. How you doing today, Srock, I'm
doing great.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm doing great. Yeah, how about.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
You doing just fine? Thank you very much. Beautiful day
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(01:21):
All right, full disclosure, sorak. I feel like I may
have seen this episode before. However, you have never seen
this episode before. I don't know if you've heard of
the title. I don't know if you know anything about it.
But theoretically speaking, your first foray into Chain of Command

(01:43):
Part one? What did you think?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Um, Well, right off the top, I can say I
liked it. I had heard about it, people were. You know,
this is one of those episode titles that just comes
up every once in a while when somebody's referencing the
next inneration. I'll hear them say certain titles over again.
Fist full of Datas is one of them. But yes,

(02:08):
Chain of Command is also one of those that has
just come up in the in the Thing, Best of
Both Worlds, those kinds of Light. Yeah, you hear these names,
but you don't know what they mean until you watch them,
and then you realize why they stand out and why
they stand the test of time, because it's good writing.

(02:29):
And you know, you ask me what I think. I
think that when I see Ronald Moore's name in the
opening credits of an episode, I think I'm about to
get a good episode. I'll tell me, you know, I
sit down and prepare myself, and I say, nine times
out of ten, this guys hits it out of the park.
So I'm almost always, you know, nine times out of

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ten and ron Moore hits a home run. There is
that one time where it just doesn't maybe land here
or there, but that's a bunch of other factors, including
acting and directing and things of that nature. But nine
times out of ten, Ronald Moore hits a home run.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, And he used to be the guy that tng
and later Deep Space nine turned two for the Klingon episodes.
Remember it was always like Ronald dy Moore was the
Klingon guy, Klingon kling On kling On. Now maybe he's
the Kardassian guy, because upon watching this episode, I couldn't
help but think this is the most insight into Kardassians

(03:34):
and the most development of Kardassians up to date. Right,
Deep Space nine was still not yet airing. It was
about two at this time. This was like this aired
a month or so before Deep Space nine, maybe three

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weeks before Deep Space nine pilot episode Emissary aired, So
that just to put that in context, we're seeing Golimech
here and we're seeing gold Madrid at the very final scene.
They are being introduced at the same time as we're
being introduced to a character named Golducott. And you know,

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Ronald y Moore kind of has a hand in these.
And you can see how when the Kardashians first started
off on TG, they were just kind of, you know,
they were fearsome, they were something. They had these weird
spongy chest plates or whatever. But now there's finally acting
like the Cardassians that we know and recognize, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, and that was one thing about Goldlamec that I liked,
because you know, he kind of at the what we
now know is the archetype for the Cardassians, which is
that long, lean, tall, slender, kind of a long neck.
As well as part of it, there's you know, there's
just certain att you beads. I guess that they look
forw when they're casting, because this guy had the same

(05:03):
kind of vibe as a Mark Alimo, just a little
bit less less sinister, you know, less intimidating, less sinister
than a Markolimol.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
This guy seemed a little more slithery in a way, right.
He was just kind of like. In fact, I think, well,
yeah played, I think this actor played. Speaking of Slithery,
I think I believe he played. In the sixth episode
of the first season, he played one.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Of the.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
God, what are those guys called the snake guys? Remember
the guys with like the cobras in Lowly among Us
the the I can't remember what they were called. Anyway,
in Lonely among Us with the snake guys, he played
one of those.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, yeah he was. He seemed to have more uh
human attributes to some of his delivery. He was less,
you know, he seemed more of a diplomatic initially, but
then when the opportunity came and you saw he had
the upper hand on Angelico and disappeared to it, you know,

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his demeanor came out, his gamesmanship came out. I think
that's one thing I enjoy about the Cardassians. I like
the verbal gamesmanship that they engage with when they are
going back and forth with the Federation or whatever's representing
the Federation. There is a chess game playing being played

(06:31):
in language between the Kardassians and whoever there. They look
at as their adversaries always and so everything is very
calculated everything is about trying to checkmate your opponent, and
I felt like that was captured very well in this episode,

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in the moment when Golamec started to feel he had
the upper hand and was starting to come on the
offense to Jelico in that in that meeting that they.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Had right so and lonely among Us Season one, episode six,
it was the Antiquans or the Antikins, and the Selee.
So these are the guys I was thinking of.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, there's no way I'm going to remember somebody in
that outfit. Yeah that's impossible.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, So I'm going to go ahead and admit something
to you, Sarak. I love this episode. I remember this
back in the day I had the VHS tape. I
paid nineteen ninety five for it, so or I think
I paid thirty nine ninety five for the two part thing.

(07:42):
Because I've seen it a lot of times. I've seen
it a lot of times, and when I first saw it,
it left an impression on me. It was like, WHOA
WHOA Star Trek can be pretty cool if it takes
it in this direction, because this is almost like a
Deep Space nine kind of direction where you're like three

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people on a secret mission right, dealing with Cardassians and
political implications of potential war, and a lot of subtexts
like when Golimec says, hel by the way, where is
Captain Picard? It would be such a shame if something

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would happen as such a noted officer, And we know
what he's saying, we know exactly what he's saying, and
Jelico is shaken up by it. Jellico's like he's reassigned.
He's like, okay, well, very well, if you want to
take a break, that's cool with me. But really it's
all over his face where he's saying, shit, they got us.
And like you mentioned the checkmate, Cardassians got the checkmate

(08:43):
at the end of this episode. And it's just such
a good episode, was so much good stuff. In my opinion,
this was maybe one of the if not the best,
and most memorable episodes. When I was first watching it
back in the day, I was like, oh man, this

(09:04):
is good. Picard is dead, long lived, Jellico right.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well yeah, if some degree, yes, and and and by
the way, this is a kind of episode that I
like as well. So when it comes to Star Trek,
you know, there's there's several kinds of episodes, right, there's
the interacting with a new specie society episode, discovery episode

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where you learn about yourself or the other species that
you're interacting with. There's the episodes that deal with potential
war and strategy like this episode, which I enjoy a lot.
In Deep Space Night had a lot of as well,
which I think is you know why I like this
episode as well, you know, and so. And then there's

(09:56):
the comical fantasy episode where you know they're in a
West and whatever, and there's stuff in a program. It's
those those kinds of episodes, right, and some of and
there's the kinds of episodes that I like more than others.
And when it comes to this kind of episode, this
is what I like because I watched this show for

(10:20):
the adventure of space, but also for the relationships and
getting a glimpse into a world that I can fantasize about.
And that world woulden is built upon the Federation as
the main foundational piece of the ideology of star Trek.

(10:41):
So one the more I get into Starfleet and the
Federation and the inner workings of it and the chain
of command of it and their missions statements, and you
know their their their classified briefings. The more I get
into that world of this is how large functioning military

(11:05):
bodies or whatever you want to call it. This is
how they behave right, this is how the structure is,
and these are the kinds of scenarios in which they're
faced with. This is the kinds of decisions that they
have to face, whether you're infringing upon neutral zones, or
you're in somebody's territory, or you're running a black Ops
mission in an unauthorized territory. This is why I want

(11:29):
to watch the show. I like it because I liked
the intrigue of that kind of stuff, which is another
reason why I think Section thirty one has value because
that leans in that same direction of the Black Ops
and the structural chain of command of what kind of
missions that star Fleet deems most necessary. So that's why

(11:51):
I like this episode. Show me the inner workings of Starfleet,
Show me how the Federation is thinking, Show show us
how they played chess. You know, right away it started
off with a great ding. They'll probably the shortest open
I think I can remember the shortest.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Admiral Metchez comes aboard and literally says, uh I relieve
you of your duties or something to that effect. It
wasn't it wasn't long. It was maybe about thirty seconds
and then boom they cut the at best and they
cut to the credits, and what the.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
And that's good enough. Sometimes it's like a five minute
intro and it's like not that great. They're playing racketball
or something. But this was like, I'm not here for pleasantries, bro,
I'm here to leave you of duty. And we're like
what yes.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
So boom right away they cut to the chase they
gave us. They just they're like, look, we're not going
to play around with this. We're going to get you
right to the point right away. And that is another
thing that Ronald Moore did. Grady hit the ground running
with the story. Were already like, okay, tell me more.
Who's in charge now? And and by the way, Jonathan Fraakes,

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you know, every time I see him acting, as you said,
like a director wants you to act, uh, he gives
some of the amazing facial expressions and looks right. I
mean he's literally stealing. It's like stealing points as a boxer,
you know, by getting those like you know, stomach shots.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Are totally, totally.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
He steals points as an actor.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
By just saying, well, I'm going to give a really
good reaction here, or a smirk or a look or
a huh or what do you think, Deano? Do we
what's he? What's he? Or yeah, okay, sir, Like he's
so good at that. Yeah, he's thinking like a director.
He's given you something to work. He's letting the audience

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know how we're supposed to feel about this. That's what
he's doing. He's kind of leading us like we're like,
I don't really trust him. We look at Riker and nope,
Riker doesn't trust him either. Okay, we're I'm right, We're
not supposed to trust he.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Is being an asshole. Look right, doesn't like him.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Riker's looking line and he's very skeptical. Deanna looks concerned
for Riker looks skeptical. He knows, he gets it.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
He knows exactly, and so he just he literally steals
points as an actor by because what it does is
it makes the camera look at him, right, because these
looks are so good that he's basically stealing screen time
because his looks, you have to show the look. You
can't not show the look, so that takes away from
another actor who might have their reaction shots and so,

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or it might be speaking.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
There for the week so whatever.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
So so right away I thought him, you know, saying,
excuse me, sir, but you know it's not necessary to
have Jellicoe, you know, come aboard and be the captain.
You know, I'm perfectly qualified. And the way he got

(14:59):
shot down in that moment, first of all, the initial
look when he heard that, he looks over at Marina's like,
she's looking at him like, are you like she's communicating
telepathic with biker.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Like, because the first thing he's thinking is whoa what
am I chopliver? I've been doing this for five years
and they're like, yeah, and you've had a chance to
move up and be a captain to other places a
bunch of times, and so you know, whatever, you had
your chance. We're bringing in Jellico, who's ten times the
captain that Picard is. Everybody knows Captain Edward James Jellico

(15:36):
is the greatest captain in the history of Star Trek.
Everybody knows it. And that's why he takes over for
Captain Picard starting right now, did you know that you
did you know you were watching Picard's final two episodes
in Next Generation and then now it's the Jellico Show.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Let me ask you, because I I swear I've seen
Jellico's face before we did. Did we see him before
in the show that he must have come before? No,
this is the first time I've seen this guy.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well maybe not. He was in Prodigy he returned.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, Okay, So I did hear his vain I voiced him?

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Because I didn't, I was like, I was like, where
did I I know this Jellico guy? Okay, that's what
it prodigies up.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I thought he was going to come back in Lower Decks.
There was I think at the end of season two
or three of Lower Decks and Captain Freeman was being
dragged away. Maybe was season four, three or four she
was being dragged away Captain Freeman from her duties on
the ship. I can't remember why. At the end of

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that season, and then the next season we're going to
find out what happened. For I swear I was willing
to bet money that Captain Jellico was going to pop
up in Lower Decks. Turned everything into a four shift rotation.
And we're gonna do all the stuff that we did
in next generation where they're like, wait, why are we

(17:10):
doing a four shift rotation? What's going on with this?
I can't sleep, you know, But they didn't. They she
was back pretty quickly or something like that. But anyway,
I was, well, he didn't come in prodigy.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
He came out on this on the ship like a
bad out of hell like he was. He looked super
confident and super had a job like no, like I
do it this way. It wasn't just like I have
a job to do. It was like I want you
to do this. I want you to do that. I
want us meeting at old fourteen hundred hours, so I
need you to get this done, that done, Like he

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came through with the four shift to make sure we
get seen your staff at thirteen hundred hours.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Pair for war, like we don't have time. We gotta
we gotta get ready for war. We gotta show Yeah,
and uh, he knows Kardashian's very well. He likened them
to timberwolves, cautious by themselves, but more bold in numbers

(18:09):
or something like that. Right, And then of course then
they like went back and played basically tennis without analogy,
where then Troy goes like, well, the thing with timberwolves
is one of them might end up Deady. He goes, well,
if we're doing timberwolves, then the key used to be
the one that's still saying Okay, we get it, guys,
we get it. We don't have to we don't have
to play analogy chess or metaphor chess, like we get it. Okay. Anyway,

(18:34):
but that was still cool. It's a good line.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, and he kind of got a he put he
went at Troy too. He was like, yeah, Troy, let
me not see you wear that outfit.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Any that's bad as that was.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I thought that was kind of he was really laying
down the wall when he got on board.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Well, a lot of people will, you know, oftentimes complain about,
you know, why is Troy why do they make Troy
wearing some skimpy outfit while everybody else is in the uniform,
And maybe he thought the same thing where he's like, yeah,
like you're a starfleet officer, I don't need to see
all that, Like what's going on? He came and he

(19:15):
he laid down the law. We do it, buddy, and
everybody watching this knows he's the greatest captain in the
history of the Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, he laid down the law. But you know what else,
I was disappointed because Data turned into a real ass
kisser and I didn't know that. I didn't know that
was possible.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
That just makes that just makes Jellico really smart because
he goes he tells Riker to do something. Riker kind
of resists a little bit. He talks to Troy. Troy's
kind of like, well, actually, I think you need to,
you know, worry about people's feelings. He tells Data do
some days like, yep, how high you want me to jump, sir?
And He's like, Data, you're with me, Yep, this is

(19:59):
my guy right here, I'm with this is my guy.
Were with me? Follow me everywhere? Data, you know everything,
and you do everything I tell you to do.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, he turned into a real uh you know, brown nose.
I couldn't believe it. I was like, because this is
when I knew Data had really flipped. This was the
moment Jellyico is telling Jordy, I need fifteen percent more optimized,
like more optimization. Out of the water.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Data kept selling them out, man, He kept going directly,
you could do that if you don't sleep, Jordy, just
get to it.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yes, yes, And Jordy's like, you can sell He's like,
it's crazy, how well you know la Forge is able
to do that too, because I felt his facial expression.
He's looking at Data like are you serious?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Data, Like he's staring holes in him right now.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah. He literally was laser beaming given at that. He's
throwing daggers with him with his eyes. And I just
felt and then and then Data and did Data. As
was walking away, he looks back like, you know, like, yeah, yeah,
you could do that. I got that done. Such a
brown nose, such a teacher's pet. A little bit disappointed

(21:14):
Data didn't stick up a little harder.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
But that's exactly the type of person he would be.
He's like, he doesn't take sides. Even when somebody's picking
on him. He goes, well, you are theoretically correct that
I'm an android with no feelings. I'm not a human
at all, or you know. So it's funny though, when
somebody's like totally screwing over his friend and his friend's like,
I can't do that, Data, It's like, on the contrary, Jeordie,

(21:39):
I believe you can it's theoretically possible, and and Geordie's like,
shut the fuck up, Data, where to go? This is
not helpful. This is not helpful, bro.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's like the friend that snitches on you. Actually, last
night you were at the bar drinking and you're like.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, you don't remember that. Remember you had too much
and a long island and then you left with that girl.
You know, you know you must have been too drunk.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
You're like, Bro, what do you do it? Because the
new guy gets here, it don't start snitching, Bro, what's
up with that? So I was a little disappointed. I
guess Data's loyalty doesn't transfer under a new administration.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
No, yeah, so, and it's good too. But actually the
other side of that, though, is it does show how
intelligent Data is that now that he knows that. For
the next fifty episodes, Edward Jellico will be the captain
of the USS Enterprise seventeen oh one d They will

(22:43):
have a four shift change, and you know, Troy is
gonna be wearing her awesome blue uniform, which by the way,
looks freaking awesome on her, and the card's gone forever.
You know, who knows what's up with Beverly and mister Wolf.

(23:04):
Actually let's jump to our break real quick. But I
did think it was really awesome to think, like, Okay,
who's left there? We have Jellico, Riiker, Troy Data, Jordio.
It's cool crew. And then you know Picard, Beverly and
Wharf was also a cool crew. I love when they
have like the split OFFSCA.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Because think about you when it's an away team. I'm like, Okay,
the await team is Picard, Wharf and Crusher, and I'm like,
that's so. I actually write it in my notes too,
basically Ryan's away team. Yeah, so it's funny you put
it in my head. But let's talk about another side
because I want to talk about some of that away
team stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Sounds good. Everybody stick around. We will be right back
on the Seventh Rule with the greatest captain of all
time Edward Jellico. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Seventh
Rule with Sarrock, Frick and loft In and Yello. Here
are the trivioids of the week. Addirl Nicheev relieves Captain

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Bicard of command of the Enterprise. Captain Jellico is looking
forward to working with Reiker William t Riker graduated eighth
in his class in fifty seven. Captain Jellico doesn't like
the standard three duty watches. Twenty fourth century medicine doesn't
have a cure for muscle soreness. Apparently Captain Jellico prefers

(24:27):
a certain formality on the bridge. Starfleet intelligence believes the
Cardassians are developing a metagenic weapon. For the past few weeks.
For the past few weeks, data banned subspace emissions have
been detected from Celtro's three and liners are some kind
of seltron bat All right, So Stark and I were
talking about Ronnie Cox, who plays Edward Jellico, being in

(24:52):
total recall, I believe. But then I think Mark Alaimo
was also in total recall. I think they might have
even been in like this same scenes. Let me see.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
You caught and Gillico in the same movie. That's pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay, So here he is in uh total recall talking
with Arnie.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember him in that.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Is that him? Yeah? I think that's him too. That's
pretty let's see good makeup. Uh yeah, there he is.
But then what about yeah, see there he is. There's
Mark Almo in Total Recall too. Oh wow, isn't that great?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So now we know Ronald Moore as was watching.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, and everybody knows Robert Riccardo was in Total regul too.
Is Johnny Cab Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I didn't know he was the cab.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
He was this guy.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I thought that was like a plastic doll.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I didn't well, yeah, I guess something. But it was
Robert Riccardo that did it. Oh wow, this is funny.
Somebody's doing our homework for us here, Ronnie Cox. Is
there anybody else?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
If that's it? Just those three anyway, Enough about that.
So the away mission cool away mission, and they actually
made action figures of that away mission. I remember I
had the Wharf action figure in All Black, which was
a pretty badass character. I don't think I had the
other two.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Just Wharf, yeah, All Black, Picard, and it was pretty cool.
I mean, you know, they made real good use of
the cave scene. We got to see the cave extensively,
and they made it look pretty big. Robert Sheer I
thought did a relatively good job direct in this episode.
There was a lot of action in this and I

(27:03):
thought it was pretty good. You know, the directing was good.
But it's funny that, you know, Piguard says when they're
on their away mission, right, he's got Crusher and work there,
and he says, he says to doctor Crusher, well, of
course you'll hear it because we need you to uh

(27:24):
dissect the virus and you know, look waves, whatever whatever
something to that effect. Right, And then he says, and Wolf,
it's obvious why you're here.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
To get beat up.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
As always, I thought, like that's the siding that's prescribing
so little, like you know, value to the guy at
least at least articulate what it is, the same way
you did it for doctor Crusher, right.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Because when Kardashians show up work, we need you to
come in with your Clinton tai chi and then attack,
you know, and then whatever do the things.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
That you do.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Let's add value to it. There's there's value to butter
him up, being yeah, butter him up a little bit.
But it's like, there's obvious why. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
By the way, one quick side note, as if you
would have nothing else to contribute, right, because right he's
still a starfleet officer.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Like his brain would not be as he knew.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
What level to put the phaser to open up that
lava tube. That's kind of cool. That's a science thing.
He knew how to do that. A real quick side
note though, check this out. A fourth star Trek actor
found in Total Recall.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Wow, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
The guy that played the zach Dorn. Remember this guy,
the sack Dorn did like the game with data the game.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I always forget what that episode is called and what.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
His Okay, what what year did Total Recall come out?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Because this is just like goes like, I feel like
it was like ninety two to night was it that?
It was it.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Eighties late eighties.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I don't know. I thought it was early nineties. Okay,
you know, I feel like it was early nineties. Let
me see it was nineteen ninety June first, nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, literally like two years. This is two years later,
so yeah, I can see that. Maybe the only person
that got hired before that was the zach Dorn got.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yes, right, you know he was in an episode in
like eighty eight, eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Okay, Yeah, so I just thought that
was a slight on war, don't say, And it's obvious
why you're here, like when you're not just here to
kick butt. You're here to contribute as a Starfleet officer
and in a multiple multitude of ways. Right, true, So
just you know, basically saying you're only here because your

(30:03):
physical prowess is as slightly as a slight. I'm sorry,
it's just a slight. I just I didn't like it.
I thought, come on, you can do better.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
So what about Here's something I want to ask you,
boot Uh. Riiker and Jellico are like oil and water,
like it just it's just not working. Riker is a
good officer. I believe Jellico is a good officer. Yet somehow,

(30:36):
you know, Jellico and Troy there they kind of work okay,
But that's because Troy is better at meeting people halfway
like she, you know, when when he talks to her
and says something she doesn't really like. She's still better
at kind of smoothing things over, Like when she's like, oh,
the the the crew is really concerned about these things,

(30:57):
and he's like, hmm, I understand, all right, I'm putting
you in charge of making them taking care of that.
And she's like, that's not exactly what I meant. But okay,
Jordie's pissed. He's like, I can't do all this stuff.
And Riker's like, well, yeah, I'm not gonna be the
one that talks some sense into him. That He's made
that abundantly clear. So sometimes you have like a new

(31:18):
boss at work or a new manager at work, and
nobody's necessarily bad. It is just not vibing. And I've
been in those situations before where you know, I'm eager
to show the new boss. Oh no, no, I'm fine,
I'm cool, I'm good at my job this night. But
for some reason, it's just not work. And we're coming

(31:38):
at it perpendicularly. And that's what I'm seeing with Riker,
because he's a great officer and Jellico is the best
officer ever. So, you know, just just one of those things,
and we feel Riker's pain, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I look at it. I look at it a little
bit of it differently. I think that it comes down
to leadership style, and I think that Picard is a
collaborative leader. He collaborates with his crew, he tries to
get some consensus, he tries to get some general understanding

(32:20):
from multiple perspectives, and then he weighs what is the
best decision going forward based on a collaborative process. Yeah,
and what and Ngelico is clearly.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Not well because he was in a hurry. He didn't
have time to make friends. He just had to like
come in and say, look, we have five seconds to
get all this stuff done. You know, Troy, you're in
charge of babing these people. I just got to like
get us ready for war and this and that.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean, that's is not it?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
To a degree? Yes, at least that's what we're being
sold on. You know. I don't believe it though, because
I don't trust it, I can tell you I felt
like there was subtext in the conversation between Admiral and
the chiev and Jellico when they were in the quarters.

(33:17):
They weren't specific about who they were talking about. As
far as I can't wait to see our friends, it
didn't seem as if they were actually identifying who we
were who it appeared to be. So I'm skeptical still
of what's going on. And I'm still with Riker on

(33:43):
the skepticism. The other thing that bothered me to was
he's asking for all this respect, but I feel like
he's also not giving it. In the way right. So
here he is, You're coming on a ship where everybody
knows each other and has been working together for close
to it decade, and now you're going to walk in
completely make waves, not try to ingratiate yourself, and then

(34:08):
you're you're doing it in an arrogant way. It's not
even an it's an arrogant way. And I'll tell you
what made me realize it was arrogant when.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Because he was more arrogant than the French guy.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Even yeah, yeah, basically yeah, I mean because Picard was
telling him, Lick, he's a five times decorated you know,
when he was talking about Riker, he said he's five
times decorated by Starfleet.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
When Jellico said, I can see why he's still only
a first officer, I was like.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh no, that's disrespectful. Yeah, and that's that's arrogant, disrespectful.
And and then he tells Picard to his face right
after that, the enterprise is mine now. And I don't know,
I just think you don't need to say that. If

(34:59):
you're you know, you're you're getting handed the keys to
somebody else's car. You know, they've been asked to drive
a different car. Now you're driving their car. You don't
drive somebody else's car and say that that's all. That's
all I'm saying. You have some respect about it. You're
temporarily in charge for for reasons unbeknownst to me. Uh So, yes,

(35:26):
it bothers me a little bit that you know. You
know what else bothers me is the uh this is
what this is why I questioned Jellicoe. Okay, the way
the diplomacy goes, why would Starfleet send this guy who's

(35:49):
hot headed and doesn't seem to be a guy who
can negotiate really well.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well, because he is apparently the experienced Cardassian expert, and
this is how he goes about things, he says. Okay,
Kardassians go about things trying to be the top dog.
So the only way to negotiate with Kardassians is to
try to out top dog the top dog types, you

(36:17):
know what I mean. And then maybe kind of like
when you're talking to Vulcans, you want to try to
present your argument as logically as possible. So when you're
going against Krdassians, he believes, and they believe the best
way to do it is try to out Kardassian the Kardassians,
you know, for right or wrong, and in this case,
it didn't seem to have gone very well.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, I just, I just I don't feel like he
has the temperament to be the person who negotiates. He
doesn't seem to have a temperament, that's all. And maybe
that style flies on the Cairo where he came from.

(37:00):
And I don't know who's personnel on the Cairo, but
it just seems to me that this temperament doesn't match
the crew. And so I'm still I'm still not on
team Jelicas. Yeah, I'm not on that team. Well, I'm

(37:20):
just not. I'm still step skeptical.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
When you will within the next fifteen or twenty episodes
of Jellico being the Captain of the Enterprise, you'll start
to really.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I hope, Oh my god, that guy's already annoying me already, somebody,
I'm way for Riker to punch this dude, like, get
out of here. But I did like the way he
looked in the dress uniforms. I like to wait, the
card looked in those dress uniforms with the you know,
their whole the style of that outfit. But yeah, here's

(37:57):
the thing when when Jellico reveals all, so, this is
the other thing that I don't trust about it. He's
playing mind games, right, and he actually admits it. I
think he's He's saying, I'm playing mind games. I'm gonna
do this, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Do tell them I'm a loose cannon. Then they're gonna
want to do this. I'm gonna make them wait for
an hour. I'm gonna show up with three people instead
of one, give them grudging this like he's got this
whole deception planned out.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Thank you. And that's why I don't trust him, because
somebody who does that in that situation all does that
in all situations. That's all I'm saying. If you're playing
mind games in this situation, you're playing mind games in
other situations. And so now I'm thinking, are you playing
mind games with Jordy? I played mind games with Riker?

(38:47):
You played mind games with Troy? Like you see what
I'm saying. It's like, are you is this kind of
you know, false bravado whatever whatever, or you know, delegate
eating all of this stuff, like you know, like is
that is that all distraction areas? Or is that part
of a bigger plan that you have, just like you

(39:07):
have a bigger plan with the Cardassians. So I just
don't like it. It's a deceptive style. It's like, you
know what I mean, Yeah, if somebody yeah, It's like
if somebody says, okay, tell them the price is one
hundred dollars more than actual and then.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I'll talk them down and then we'll, yeah, settle in
for whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
That kind of a person is conniding in every other aspect.
It's not just like that.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I feel like we see it all day long in
sports negotiations with contracts too. Like I'm watching some of
these things that are going on right now with the
free agency in basketball, and I'm just like, will you
guys just come to an agreement and stop with all
this posturing.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
It's driving me exactly, and it just bothers me y.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Anyway. But I do want to say that the scene
you were talking about a little bit ago with Jellico
and Picard, some of the juiciest lines, all the juiciest
lines came from Jellico when he says, uh, chances are
you won't be coming back from this mission, says that
right to Picard, and then Picard's like oh, Riker is
a very good officer. I think if you gave them

(40:21):
a chance. He says, I don't have time to give
will Riker or anyone else a chance. And forgive me
for being blunt, but the enterprise is mine now. And
then afterwards he goes, well, here's hoping you beat the odds.
And then as Picard's leaving, he goes, oh, by the way, uh,
I believe this is yours, and he holds up his
but basically saying bye, oh, and take your shit with you.

(40:43):
You won't be coming back. He's telling him, you won't
be coming back. Take your book with you, don't leave
any of your stuff here. Get that fish out of here,
get that look out of here.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
So rude. Sorry, So I'm not on I'm not on
team Jellico, Like what kind of stuff is that?

Speaker 4 (40:59):
You know?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Even when he said the mprises, now you can see
what he said, the enterprise his mind. Now Picard does
a whole like, okay, you know what, I'm just gonna
be take my orders on follow orders. I got, I
got a mission to do.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Picard's a company guy. He's like a company guy.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
He's like no pushback here, you know, and you know
I'm just going like even when Jellico was admonishing Riker
in front of Picard, he was, you know, he was
kind of dressing him down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
And Riker looks at Picard and Picard kind of like
looks away like yeah, and not my position. You figure
it out, that's your new boss.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I watched that like five times, the look that Riker
gives Picard and Picard has eye contact with and but
then like looks away like.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Like I don't want no parts of this. I don't
want to jump in.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
My name is Paul, and this is between y'all.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yes, yes, So I thought that was that was great,
and I also felt like this might have been the
first time I can remember uh the FARRANGI getting stimulated
on the ear.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Like yeah to that degree, UMAs, Yeah, And apparently that
was that was maybe gonna be Quark initially, but then right,
I think that's what that. There was something about that
where it might have been Quark ahead of time. But
then this guy, you know, Damon Solac or Solac, Yeah,

(42:30):
he was a great Ferengi. There was a lot that
happened in this episode. We had Admiral Netchev, we had
ah gol levec or wait lamech. We had gold Madrid
that we just got introduced to at the end. There,
we got Jellico, we got this new Damon Solok. Like,
we got a lot of cool characters that were introduced,

(42:55):
and I was pretty excited about that. I would have
loved to see when the Way Mission Away Team leaves,
I would like to see them get filled up with like,
you know, bring bring Ensign Row in. Let's you know,
because we're now now we're whittled down to like four
main characters, so bring in a little bit of Ensign
Row here, bring in a little bit of Barkley and engineering,

(43:16):
you know, like kind of refill the reserves of main
characters for us. But didn't get that.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, but I'm kind of okay with that because there's
enough going on here where it's like totally you throws
and row that's.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Even more there.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
But there was also a moment where we're there with
the briefing and Admiral Netschev says, she says, you know
something like just I want you to make sure that
we're prepared for this incursion, and then Riker says, is
Starfleet ready to go to war? Like like a butt

(43:56):
to go to war over this, and she said, I
didn't say war, I said incursion.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Right, It's so good. That is such a good line.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
It is such a good line. And the look he
gave like, you.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Know, like what's the difference, And she's like basically saying,
our position, our official position is incursion not war. You know,
it's all the semantics of diplomacy. Yes, Ronald D. Moore
quite like a champion. He creates this conflict that's so nuanced.

(44:34):
But we as the audience, like feel it. It's all
just like a little bit of words here and there,
but we feel it, we feel the subtext in there.
Oh it's really good writing.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yes, yes, that's what I'm saying, exactly what I'm saying,
Just like when he says, where is Captain Bicgard? It
was so good?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, all right, it was so great.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
It was I mean so yeah, I mean. And then
I like the fact that Troy tried to come out
to him and reach out and said, hey, look, you know,
this is what's going on with the crew and the
morale and this and that, and he's like, look, why
don't you handle that and why don't you change your outfit?
While you do it.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, I mean it's just so good. Like when she
says cause he's he goes, yeah, I've noticed a bit.
She goes, i'd like to talk to you about the
change in command and how it's affecting the crew. And
he says I've noticed a little resistance. Yeah, and she goes,
not resistance, uncertainty. I'm like, that is such a Troy
thing to say, and he goes, m, I see your point.
She says, maybe they just need time to adjust. He says,

(45:42):
I'm glad you brought this to my attention, and she's thinking,
oh good, this is working out. He goes, you've given
this a lot of thought. Please be sure they make
the adjustment to it quickly and easily, and then he says,
oh yeah, and change your clothes.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah yeah, No, this thing had everything. And as far
as I was concerned, I enjoyed this writing like I'm
secretly just anticipating this next part too, like it's got
to be good because he set it up so good.
I'm set. I'm in whatever it is I'm in. I
want to see the end. I need to see the end.

(46:16):
And it's funny watching Wharf's face when they said it's
a metagetic weapon. And he's like, speak English.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I am not familiar to with metagens. And they're like,
we know, Wharf. We would have been surprised if you
had known, if you had said, oh, metagenic weapons. Yes,
of course back in Russia.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Need we remind you why we brought you here? We know,
we know you know.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
So it's time for the home run of today's episode. Everybody,
what do you think is RockA gets the home run
of today's episode?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
You know, I gave him some thought and it's not easy,
but it's gonna be Ronald D. Moore. Ronald D. Moore
writes so well that I think it's the language. It's
just so beautiful, the conflict that the drama, the you know,
the nuance. It just makes it easy to perform. And

(47:18):
that's why you get great performances like Jellico or great
performances like Picard and Writer in this episode. But it
comes down to ultimately, I feel like the language of
the writing and Ronald Moore gets it like nobody else.
As a matter of fact that when I watch this episode,
I and I think I might have said this before,

(47:39):
but it bears repeating. Ronald Moore, in my humble opinion,
is the best writer of Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Could very well be.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
It's just you know, the ones that pop out are
his episodes. I mean on a consistent basis. I mean
not maybe not the single best episode, but on a
consistent basis, his episodes are home runs and.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Totally one of them. Yeah, so I agree with you completely.
It's Ronald D. Moore. He wrote an excellent episode. The
lines are dripping with depth and subtext and nuanced. I mean,
he's he knows exactly how to write a great episode.
Of course, the writer's room gets a bunch of kudos
for creating this episode with him, but it's not just

(48:28):
the storyline, it's also the specific dialogue and the lines
that he writes. It's really good. So home run to
Ronald D. Moore easy, all right, And I would say
Ronnie Cox for playing Edward Jellico. But we're gonna have
like at least fifty more episodes with him as Captain
of the Enterprise to give him his at bats. All right.

(48:52):
We also want to give a very special thanks to
our friends doctor Amery Siegel, Eve England out in Wales.
You bet black Men, Tom T. J. Jackson Boutain Missouri,
Titus Smaller, doctor Mohammed Nora, and you'll oh Paulat, Joe Bauceerati,
Mike Gou Doctor, Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent, Faith Howl of
the Matt Boardman, Chris McGee, Jake Barrett, Henry Hunger, Allison
Leech Hide, Julie Menasfi, Jed Thompson, doctor, Susan B. Gruner,

(49:14):
Glenn Iverson, Dave Gregory, Chris dern Itt, Greg k Wicks
from Mountain, Hawaii, Cassandra g chuck A, Chris Garrison, of course,
Jason m Oakin. All right, everybody stick around, We've got
the Free for All up next, people are gonna go nuts.
It's gonna be awesome. We'll be right back on the
seventh Rule. Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the Seventh Roll

(49:35):
with sarrok Lofton. It is time for the Free for
All with Melissa Longo and her seventh Thrill shirt and
her new favorite headphones. Also joining us is Jason m Oakin. Hi, everybody,
middle name included. Eve England is out in Wales. She's
got a cool walking art made by Melissa shirt. We've

(49:57):
got Chris Garris in Southeast Tech. Hello, Alison leech Hide
is in the heart of New Mexico. She is the
heart of New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
T J.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Jackson Bay's out in Missouri in an Enterprise shirt or uniform.
Faith Howl is on the bridge of the Enterprise d
just like TJ is. Carrie Schwent is outdoors kind of,
and the dark Lord Chris McGee has a cool guns
and Roses I mean seventh Roule shirt on. All right,
Jake Cisco guesses the IMDb score.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I think this was around an eight point four mm.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Does anybody else have any guesses that doesn't already know
the answer? What did you say? Eighty seven eight seven
nine eight three.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Eighty five?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Andrew?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh, all right, everybody at home, feel free to play along.
We can't hear you, but just shout it out, shout
let it all out. Okay. The answer is, of course,
let me check to make sure I got this right,
because I think somebody nailed it yet again. It is yep,

(51:17):
eight point three Jason m oakinhe how did you do it?

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Besides k yeah, I knew you were probably right there.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I just had to go a little different. So there
you go. We were close, very very close non appearance mentions.
I got Yvette Picard because we have seen Yvette Picard
in Star Trek Picard. But did we see his dad?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Not yet?

Speaker 8 (51:51):
Yeah we did?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Well, okay, right, so that's a non appearance mention Maurice,
So that's a non appearance mentioned for both of them then, right,
that's that's right. Maurice was kind of a any other
non appearance mentions though? Okay, what about some kind of
or some sort of we know that line, Arge are

(52:13):
some kind of celtron bat? Were there any others.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
At?

Speaker 9 (52:18):
He said, a kind of, I think, but could qualify.
I did not catch any other others though?

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Okay, thank you dark Lord Miracle. Uh all right, malissee long?
Will you please get us started off on the right track.
We know that Wharf is afraid of bats, Beverly's afraid
of heights. What'd you think of this episode?

Speaker 10 (52:40):
And Captain Jellico is afraid of fish?

Speaker 8 (52:44):
How rude? Get that fish out of the ready room?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Why was it doing?

Speaker 8 (52:51):
Why is it bothering you so much?

Speaker 10 (52:57):
Living Ston is just minding his own business, floating along.

Speaker 8 (53:02):
He's like, that fish is out of here.

Speaker 10 (53:05):
Oh my gosh, I'll tell you Ronnie Cox did a
fantastic job as Jellico. What a great, great job, because yeah,
he is a hard ass, but there's layers behind his
hard ass ness.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
Specifically, Troy points points out why.

Speaker 10 (53:30):
When Riker says he sure is sure of himself and
Troy says, no, he isn't.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
Which is explains his behavior towards this crew. He's never, Sir,
been a captain of a Galaxy class ship, that he's
told us, and so he feels like the way that
he can take command of this illustrious ship is to

(53:58):
be hard on the people and hits crew.

Speaker 10 (54:02):
And I think it's unfortunate because I think it's gonna
backfire on him.

Speaker 8 (54:06):
But because because.

Speaker 10 (54:15):
Sometimes the chat distracts me, I think it's gonna be
going to backfire on him because his crew and their
trust is an asset more than it is a detriment.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
And so I.

Speaker 10 (54:33):
Think any leader is better when he listens to his
crew and is open to receiving information from him. I
do think Troy looks great in the standard uniform, so
I could go either way with that, And I'm really
excited to see episode two, Part two because this is

(54:56):
obviously a setup for for that.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
M hm. Also cool background. Just realized you had the
same background as I do. Oh yeah, thank you very much.
Malis a longo great stuff as always, Jason m Oaken,
you thought that this was an eight point three on IMDb,
so you think it's pretty good, right? What do you think?

Speaker 7 (55:19):
First of all, it's a terrific episode. It's you know,
there's so many layers to this, and not just in
Ronning Cox's performance. I think you know, when you read
the part, I mean I can see why he took
the role. I mean, it's just he just oozed us
from the page. As you look at it, it's just delicious.
You can just you know, taking it and run away
with it, and you certainly did. I mean if you
look at the entire episode, I mean you kind of

(55:41):
realize that even with the little amount of money that
they had, and there's a lot, you know, there are
a lot of little things that you can talk about
as to you know where the money went, and you
know why.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
He was the way he was.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
But it was just terrific. You keep looking at the screen,
you kept you know, looking at the performances. Every character
on the show had something to do, which is kind
of interesting. An episode like this. Everybody had their moments.
I think Marina was great in this and what she
was given to do.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Again.

Speaker 7 (56:08):
Ronnie Cox was just amazing, and not only in the
sort of portraying this kind of a layered captain, more
of a prelude to maybe what we in Picard and
liam Shaw, somebody who's sort of an antagonist. And you
see conflict, maybe for the first time, real conflict on
the Enterprise, something that you certainly haven't seen on the
next generation, throwing some Cardassians, and you have shades of

(56:29):
Deep Space nine with sort of these shades of gray
and conflict. So it's very nice to see again. It's
an exciting episode. I have three things that really bug
me about it, but I'll save those for later.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
We're all three things. How rude the crew was to
Captain Jellico. We'll find out, Thank you very much. Jason
m O and TJ's with me. Captain Jellico best captain
in the history of the star Fleet. Eve England is
out in Wales. It is the first time you've ever
seen this episode. What did you think?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
So?

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Yeah, it was it was I wasn't quite sure what
to think of it when I was sort of watching
it and I was thinking, this is it seems like
an odd kind of episode in terms of like the
pacing and where what I was trying to achieve, because again,
that's what I was thinking, and I just mentioned earlier,
I wasn't sure whether whether you're supposed to be on

(57:25):
Jellico's side or the crew side, because from my perspective,
I was thinking, this crew is just pathetic. They're just winging.
They're supposed to be the crimson crime of the Federation,
but they've been They're clearly in this battle ready combat
zone that they've got two days to get ready, and
that's all they're worrying about is that, oh, you know,

(57:46):
they having to do things have to change, and it's like, yeah,
but you're trying to get battle ready for this event.
And I just and I kind of I just didn't
feel that. So I didn't feel that Jellico came across badly.
I thought he was actually good. He was always polite.
The only time he sort of raised his voice was
when Riiker was being insubordinate to him, and you know,

(58:09):
and you know that first instance when he Reiker kind
of gets humilated in front of Picard and I was thinking, yeah,
too right, you haven't done what you've been asked, and
you are ultimately in an army where you're supposed to
have this chain of command, and Reiker just completely just
because he doesn't sem tolight this guy, and then he's
slagging him off to Jordie and you know, they're just

(58:30):
both winging when I just would have expected more from them,
especially when you think back to how Picard. I mean,
Picard was so much worse when he started, in my
view than what we now see with with with Jellicoe.
So I was a bit confused. So I don't know
whether who side I was supposed to be on, but
from watching it now, I kind of felt like I
was on Jellico's side, And I think going back to

(58:51):
Melissa's point, and you know that that sort of observation
from Diana around his confidence. I loved how it sort
of evolved that he then put all his kids' pictures
on the wall, which obviously suggested that sort of vulnerability
that he thought, you know, maybe I might not make this.
I need this comfort of I'm in this unfamiliar place
where everybody's kind of hostile to me. He knows they're

(59:12):
going to be hostile because this is this new situation.
But he wants that ready room to be his own
little bubble in his safe space, which I think is
why he gives the fish the.

Speaker 8 (59:22):
You know, the marching orders.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
But yeah, and I mean, yes, I got some of
the things that I didn't particularly like with the story, etc.
But I mean I thought it was really good. I
love that sort of scene when they were in the
corridor and the camera seemed to be a little bit
offer it. You kind of have that sense of urgency
that you know there is this big rush. They've all
got to get ready, They've all got to get a
stepped to it. So yeah, so yeah, team Jellicoe for me.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, thank you very much. Eve England. You totally get
it out in Wales, all right. But there may be
some dissenting voices here, not from TJ. But what do
you think, Chris Garrits, what do you think of this?

Speaker 11 (01:00:06):
I don't know. Now I'm starting to like I might
be on the wrong team in this group at times.
But after honestly and after listening everybody talked so far,
I'm like, Okay, maybe the Enterprise crew was actually a
little bit in the wrong for not you know, gosh,

(01:00:28):
so it really didn't. Originally I did not like how
he just comes in barking orders, but that now kind
of makes more sense with what you know, I forgot
how Deanna says he is not sure of himself, so
he is trying to make change and you know, and
just shake stuff up because he's obviously hiding his insecurities
because he's really not ready to do this I potentially,

(01:00:52):
you know. And then just like I think what I did.
Parts of parts I didn't like was how quickly I
know they're in a war zone or whatever, potentially you know,
you know, admir Chef comes in and it's like, okay,
you're gonna be gaking command over and will sorry, you're
not experienced enough to do this. I'm like, really, I
mean he's anyway like that just that just didn't sit

(01:01:14):
well with me either, Like he's you've given you have
offered him command numerous times, and yes he hasn't taken
him because he's happy where he's at. So now you're anyway,
and so you know, that part was kind of hard
to just to just swallow. But okay, I am starting
to see, you know now, and I rethink it you

(01:01:36):
are some you are correct. I mean Jeordie was sitting
there moaning and growing about, well we can't do this
well too bad? And then you know, also, I mean,
you know, Will should have just done what he was asked.
If you are in the military order, well you know,
if you're you know and ranksist, like, then he should
have just done what he was told to do. Get
that for shift going, don't you know?

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
Yeah, and I don't. And but I don't think Picard
ran you know, a loocid goosey ship either, But I
it just wasn't to Jellico's standards, I guess, which I
don't know if his standards were correct. But like they said,
he was trying to get prepared for potential conflicts and

(01:02:20):
not knowing what was you know, what they could or
could not go get run into.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:02:26):
Obviously we get into the next part here next week,
and so we'll learn a little bit more about everything,
you know. And I kind of felt bad for Picard
because like, I mean, oh my god, when Will They're
standing in ten for it, and Will's like looking at
him like are you gonna say something? And he's like
he's thinking, like I can't. I'm no longer you know,
this is not my ship anymore. And so I will

(01:02:49):
say that's kind of Will. But you can see, like
just here on this picture that I have, you can
already see in Riker's face he's not happy about this,
this command transfer already. And so I mean, and I
guess that from your first officer. If your first officer
is already going to be in a bad mood from
the get go, that just it just it permeates down.
And so maybe the rest of your crew would have

(01:03:10):
not been as grumpy if Will hadn't been in such
a pissy mood. And I do think that stems from
them honestly stepping over him and not giving him commanded
enterprise for this project, for this mission, so and the
change and all that. So I mean it, Okay, it
is a great episode. Ronnie Cox does freaking is phenomenal.

(01:03:33):
I mean, of course, all I can think of is
when you know he's in a RoboCop, you know, good
old eighties movie reference there. So again, it's definitely a
good episode, and you know, you watch it and you
just have to either be your team Jucko or team Enterprise,
and maybe you could just be a smidge in the middle,

(01:03:54):
and so I will say my opinion has changed a
little now after hearing everybody also point out some of
the differences that I had not again I've seen the enterprise,
But anyway, that's my take on this and right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Great stuff. Chris Garrison out in Southeast Texas, thank you
very much for that. Alison Leech hide the coolest earrings
on the team. Ever, what do you think of this one?

Speaker 12 (01:04:20):
You know, as a kid, I did not like this
episode because you know, here is Jelico coming in and
being hard to all of the people I really like,
except for of course, Data. And I completely understand as
adult why he's like Data, come with me, because Data
is not going to talk back. He's not going to
give him an emotional reaction to anything. He's just going

(01:04:42):
to state the fact, like we can do this if
we do this. And so that's why I really love
that he's like Data, come with me the whole time.
So I really liked that how that was written. And
I also love that he had all of his kids
kids pictures up in the ready room. I'm like, that's
a great sign that this character has depth. He's not

(01:05:03):
just an asshole captain. You know, he he is a person,
So I really like that they wrote it that way.
But my favorite parts of this episode are Picard Wharf
and Beverly in the ninja costumes, running around the caves,
you know, in the cat litter, which is so sad

(01:05:25):
because the cats are living in all right. Yeah, and
so I Wharf's eyebrows sticking out of the hood of
the ninja costume is my favorite in the entire episode.
I love that kind of makes thank you Dandolph and
his amazing eyebrows, So I do. I really love the

(01:05:46):
training they go through. How hard that is. You know,
Beverly during the the relinquishing of command scene, you know,
like I'm so sore. I'm like, yeah, they're working you, Like,
this is so cool that you get to go on
this secret mission and go and do that. Like I
thought that was really cool, and you know, having the
fun thing of you know that jump scares and and

(01:06:08):
she's scared of heights and repelling down the rock face,
you know, the one rock face that every Star Trek
actor and then they go to repel down at some point.
I love it. So I as an adult, Yeah, I
completely understand where Jellico is coming from, and yeah, you
would you kind of hope like the crew would be like, hey,

(01:06:29):
we have a new captain. Our captain is off doing something.
We should help this guy because we're we're a team
on the Enterprise. So I do kind of wish that
was a little bit different.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
But also I had.

Speaker 12 (01:06:42):
The one question of why would Jellico need to go
and make this ship battle ready? It's the flagship. It
was probably designed by you know, the ship's designers to
be battle ready at all times. So that was my
one question, really, my one like big knit pick about
this episode. I'm like, why do they have to like
rewire the ship like it should be already here for

(01:07:05):
max production of firepower?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Just saying so. But I do really like the episode.
Mm hmm, great stuff. Thank you very much, Alison Leech
hide Out in New Mexico. TJ. Jackson Bay You've already
hinted about your feelings, but tell us all directly, what
do you think of this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
It's episode. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
I always liked this episode, but I like it even more,
you know, after having just watched it this time, because
it is so layered and I appreciate that you know
more now than I did before. I'm going to lead
with a nitpick, and it is the only defense that
I will give to Commander Riker in this speech, and

(01:07:51):
that is as the second and command of this ship
on this high priority mission, they should have read them
into what is going on and that would have neutral
to all of the things that we've seen after.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
But they didn't, and so.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
Until we got what we got.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
And I have more appreciation for Captain Jellicoe than I
did before. Already, you know kind of you know, was uh,
you know, had kind of come around on that, but
this was a fresh watch, and so I'm watching it
running cocks not to it out of the park. There
are so many layers to his performance, Like I'm watching

(01:08:31):
him and watching the way he's losing his body. There
were times his hands and fidgeting, you know this that
there are moments when you can see that he's anxious
before Troy says he's showing that, but when he comes
on the ship, he's also seems genuinely excited. You know,
he knows that he's got this big, hard task coming up.
He's never been in charge of a Galaxy class ship.

(01:08:53):
He's excited about it. He's like, probably like wharfs dad,
He's got the specs. You know, he's been reading the specs.
He knows, but he wants to change because he wants
to have an edge, and so you know, he starts
laying that out and then none of it, nothing gets moving.
So he's disappointed, and he starts to show, you know,

(01:09:14):
some anxiety right there at the transfer ceremony when he's
talking to the card and he finds out Rika hasn't
done any of the stuff that he's asking to do,
and so that's when he's just like, yo, dude, you
got to get this done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Get it done.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
But his hands are also shaking, you know that in
that moment and in that exchange, because he's like, oh
my god, you know, like I'm trying to get this
thing done. We don't have any time. I'm nervous. Everybody
they don't know what's going on, and I need it,
you know, I just needed to work. If I don't
have the XO, then this might not work, is probably

(01:09:53):
what he's thinking at that time. And in the very
next scene and when they go to the bridge, can
immediately see that he's starting to groom data to take
over as first officer because he leaves Riker on the
bridge and takes data with him, you know, to go
to engineering and get his orders carried out. So he's

(01:10:13):
already working on his backup plan and and you know
he feels like, you know, he's in it. I've stepped
in and I'm on the ship. My ship's gone, the
Admiral's gone, you know, and we gotta we gotta go
do this thing. I feel like, you know, aside from data,
I think, uh, Lieutenant Commander Troy also, you know, seem

(01:10:39):
to be able to slide into the role that she
needed to be in a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
Yes, he's kind of snapping when he tells her to
get in a uniform, but she just says, yes, sir,
I'll do that, no problem. And uh, And you know,
I feel like that conversation. And if you notice in
that conversation his pictures, his kid, his pictures is like
still spread out on the desk. He hadn't hung them
up yet. And so I like watching that progress. And
you know, in the rating room as he's kind of

(01:11:07):
you know, trying to find a comfortable and a safe
space and this in this ship and in this new role.
You know, when he's talking to the card, you know,
he's like, that's a tough one, man, I don't even
know if you're coming back, and you know, we don't
know what's gonna happen. You know, there's a lot of

(01:11:28):
moving parts in this thing, and you and me are
the only ones in the ship that no really know
what's going on right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
So best of luck, you know, uh.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
And I like that, you know he's doing things to
try to help the car's mission, like send the send
the the probe or whatever, and ahead of times so
that he can get some telemetry. They're going into this
mission blind. I got nitpicks about that, but we'll talk
about that later. I got a lot to say. I'll

(01:11:59):
kind of start wrapping up. But you know, one of
the things that I really appreciated, and I think, you know,
he had a healthy respect for all of the crew members,
but I really appreciate when they go to meet with
the Kardashians and he's introducing the crew one that that
Troy is in a uniform. Can you imagine if she
walked in there and her counselor's outfit, you know, for

(01:12:21):
this high stakes meeting. If she did we probably wouldn't
have thought anything different of it. But I think, you know,
seeing that change and realizing how high the stakes are here,
that it was so appropriate. And I think that's highlighted
when Captain Jellicoe introduces her as Lieutenant Commander Troy. I
thought that was super respectful and super appropriate, and anybody

(01:12:44):
else probably would have called her counselor Troy, which is
nothing wrong with that, but I think that Lieutenant Commander
Troy really highlights the weight of the situation. That she's
in a uniform, he's in her proper rank, and you know,
when they walk out of the room, he lets them
in a little bit on what he's thinking. And this

(01:13:06):
is when you would expect Commander Racket to be like,
all right, I gotta get with the program here, and
instead he wants to gossip with Troy, just like he
did with Jordy and talk about how much this guy sucks,
feelings are hurt, Come on, right for You're better than that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
I liked how Limec tipped his hand to let them
know that, hey, we.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Got your guy. We know your guy, you know is
on our planet.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
And I thought Jellico and Netchef could have done better.
If they thought that transmission was being monitored, then what
they said was super obvious. Maybe they meant for it
to be that way. But limec wins on the spycraft,
on the trade craft. That's all I'll say for now.
I got a lot more to say, so stick around

(01:13:52):
or come back to the other things left unsaid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Let On.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Excellent. I'm looking forward to more of that good stuff.
I got more stuff too later, Thank you very much. TJ. Jackson,
batt Miser of faith, howel on the Bridge of the Enterprise.
D What did you think of this episode that you've
seen a ton of times A ton of times?

Speaker 13 (01:14:12):
Well, I'm with Allison. I definitely hated this episode growing up.
It is terrifying it Jellicoe is thoroughly unlikable, especially because
I mean I was today years old when I realized
that he had pictures of his kids. I'm gonna have
to go back and rewatch this after record today because
I have never known of it so other than Jellico

(01:14:36):
being thoroughly unlikable and our main characters not liking him,
and are you know Captain and Warf who is you know,
clearly the star of the show being in Mortal Danger
and having dropped in the first half. You know what,
this is a very intense episode for a kid watching
it as a As an adult though, I do see

(01:14:58):
the layers and the delay, deliberate choices that were made
Angelico and I do like him a lot better as
an adult, and I would even venture you guys know
how I love my Ducotte villain in DS nine. I
really think that he is that level of a villain
in this episode where they he is likable in some ways,

(01:15:19):
he has some unlikable qualities, he has some things that
are meant to put us off, and it all works
really well. I think it is a really really great
example of writing for TNG and I also really love
how this episode sets up the villain main villain for
our favorite DS nine. So all in all, really great episode,

(01:15:44):
kind of quintessential next gen Top ten for sure, Maybe
not my top three, but definitely top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Top three to ten. Thank you very much. Faith hol
Out on the Bridge of the Enterprise, d Carrie Schwent
aka Crafty Bear, what say you?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Well, as usual, I am the captain of the young
Popular Opinion and I hate Jellico, but I will get
to him in a minute. It is a fantastic episode.
I really really enjoy it. We finally get Dianna in
a uniform and she looks fantastic, and it blue is
her color.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
My favorite of her.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
The other outfits so far is that blue Tunic Tunicy
dress with the with the pants, so blue is definitely
her color. Her hair looks fantastic. I love it all
curly and through it partially partially back a couple of
brief things on the on the Guest Stars. I've seen
all of the episodes that Nichev has been and so

(01:16:45):
I've forgotten which one was her first, and apparently this
was her first. I love that actress. She's got such
an interesting vibe to her. I love her voice. She
is in a fantastically cheesy episode of Charmed, dealing with
him fair fairy fairy tales that she sends against the sisters.

(01:17:06):
If you if you've seen the episode, you know which
when which one? I mean the actor playing Glo Mac.
I enjoyed him. He had a just a great vibe
to him. He looked fantastic and in the one scene
in the in the conference room, he smiles a lot
every every so often, like real big toothy grin, and

(01:17:27):
I can't help it. Every time he smiled, I saw
the the Mouth of Souran from the third Lord of
the Rings movies. You only see him in the special edition,
so if you've never seen the special edition, go watch it.
Every time he's big teeth, I just sent shiver down,

(01:17:48):
shiver down my spine. I thought I thought I thought
he was I thought he was great. But to get
to jell Ago, the actor is fantastic. I love the actor.
I love his voice. I totally recall he's fantastic in
that I so I thowt I remember him enough in

(01:18:11):
Rebel Cop the first time I saw it. I was
probably way too young the first time I saw that.
One of the advantages of spending Christmas and some summer
breaks at your at your grandmother's house who goes to
bed early, and then you can watch all the the
premium channels that she that she had. So I saw
Rubble Cop way too young. But I'm gonna switch to

(01:18:34):
my notes here because that particular actor bumped up against
my authority authority issues and I don't want to get
off track too much, so bear with me on that.
But yeah, I just I really don't like him authority,
other authority figures and just and other people who have

(01:18:55):
acted that way. You heard me mention the X before, similar,
similar kind of kind of thing. Personally, I don't think
we're supposed to like him just because he's so different.
His style of doing things is so different from from
the card. Troy mentioning that, no, he's not. When rikor

(01:19:16):
X asks about his confidence really highlights his that style
of his of his personality. I feel like it's because
he's so insecure that he acts the way he does.
He's on this chip full of tons and tons and
tons of people and he's supposed to get it, get

(01:19:37):
it ready, super super quickly. All he had to do,
like in that the ceremony where they really relieve the
card and he takes control, all he had to say was, Okay,
my style is different. I'm going to ask a lot
of you, but trust me, it all needs to be done.

(01:19:58):
Two lines and would have helped me like him just
just just a little bit more. I know he's got
his orders, but I'm sorry. I'm with I'm with Jordy
and and Riker on all of it. Jordy even mentioned
he doesn't mind the hard work. He just needs to
have the time to do it, and Jellico wasn't giving

(01:20:19):
him him the.

Speaker 12 (01:20:20):
Time I will.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
If I'm Riker, I would have rolled rolled my eyes too,
And I just thought of I thought of this. Riker
has already proven that he can handle high leverage situation.
He handled himself being in charge of the enterprise when
Picard was taken by the bog. He's already proven himself.
The chev didn't need to bring Jelico in. Riker would

(01:20:44):
have done just fine. That's my own personal opinion on Jelico.
So once again I'm the queen of the unpopular opinion.
But I don't mind that because someone's got to be.
But I had I've had fantastic inspiration for the for
the Lumbrick, for the episode, and it kind of comes

(01:21:05):
from a point of view of like a random lower
decker who's caught up in this thing and suddenly he's
been assigned to the to the to the deltaship when
he thought he had the rest of his day to
just relax. So keep that point of view in mind.
Our new captain is making me sour. Suddenly I'm on

(01:21:26):
shift in two hours. I want Captain Picard back Let's
give Jellico this sack. Seems like all he does is
just glower.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Great stuff, Thank you very much. Carrie Swinton Hope So
aka Crafty Bear. All right, Chris McGee aka the Doc Lord,
what do you think of this one?

Speaker 9 (01:21:49):
I agree with everyone else. It's a fantastic episode with
great acting and a story that sets up the events
to occur in the next episode quite well. This is
also a landmark episode for a couple of reasons that
others have already pointed out. It's our first time meeting
Admiral Nichev Deanna Troy finally wears a standard Starfleet uniform

(01:22:09):
for the first time. The notable guest star as well
Natalia and Noglich as the aforementioned Admiral apologizes if I
mispronounced her name. She brings a good commanding presence and
a no nonsense attitude that is just right for the role.
I think John Durban played his character gol Lamec quite
well with just the right amount of smug and slimy attitude.

(01:22:34):
David Warner a terrific actor. What can I say? Who
many of us know in love from a countless list
of productions, including some of my favorites such as Time
Bandits and even in two Star Trek feature films, and
of course, as others have said, Ronnie Coxley another great
actor who likewise is in so many of my favorite

(01:22:54):
films from the eighties and nineties, usually action movies like
robocoffin Total where he calls has been mentioned, and speaking
of his character, Captain Jellico, like Chris Garris and Alison,
I see Jellico now from a bigger picture point of view. Now,
I'm sure most of us, at one time or another
has had to deal with a boss or even a

(01:23:17):
maybe a family member, or someone who behaves similarly to
Jellicoe overbearing, demanding, strict, and even callous. Perhaps someone who's
in the military maybe or was, and has adopted that
way of life even as a civilian, maybe even without realizing.
Ronnie cox is amazing as Jellico, who is just such

(01:23:38):
a person. You know, he's good at his job, but
at what cost to his crew? And yet, as others
have said here and after seeing him as an adult
now watching this episode as an adult, maybe the circumstances
that is potentially on the cusp of war warranted it.
And yes, I now I'll see the layers in his

(01:24:02):
character end in Ronnie's performance that I didn't notice when
I was younger. That's pretty much all I wanted to
mention about the episode itself. So for my memorable quote, uh,
there were plenty to choose from the one that I
landed on, probably because it's the one that I find

(01:24:22):
myself quoting in some form or another. Strangely enough, his
Riker saying He's made that abundantly clear.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Mm hmm, you sure did, Thanks very much, Chris McGee.
Jake's final take sorok lofton an your final thoughts on
this episode, I mute yourself first. There it is, bye

(01:24:52):
and I'm back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Yeah, you know what, It was kind of weird to me,
I'll tell you. And I didn't think about this until
everybody kind of gave their analysis, But I did think
it was a little bit strange that there was an
overlap time where war Picard and Beverly were still on
the Enterprise while they're on their secret mission training things.

(01:25:23):
I thought, if you're gonna put them on a secret mission,
they should kind of be removed from the crew so
that there's not a kind of overlap like the one
that occurred in this episode because now you've got two captains.
You got two captains there just the guy I normally
go to to ask questions and have to go to him,
and it just seemed a little bit weird to have

(01:25:44):
them on the Enterprise while there was still training for
the mission's That was one thing. Data is a great
ass kisser. I love it man, because that guy where
he wants to be, He wants to go to the top.
He went right to brown nosing. It was amazing. He

(01:26:06):
turned on his friend Jordan, he turned on Yeah, Victory,
you could do it man. Victoria's like, seriously, bro let me,
let me give me some time. Get you a break man,
stop snitching. If Jellico had a catchphrase, it was evident

(01:26:29):
in this episode because he said it several times, and
that is get it done, okay. And I think you know,
you got to make it so, which has a little
bit uh you know, it has a little bit more
optimism to it as opposed to an order barking at you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
There's a little bit the softness of it. When you
hear make it so, it seems like a possibility, like
a like a creative process of you know, of action.
But when you say get it done, it seems like
an order being barked at you. And so I just
thought that was interesting that, you know, I do believe
that the intention is to dislike him, which I do

(01:27:10):
at this point in the episode. I didn't like the
handing Picard back his book and saying you know, and
don't forget this on your way out, saying the ship
is mine now. I just thought it was just unnecessary
to say stuff like that. I thought it made me
dislike him. And it also he's the kind of guy

(01:27:35):
that doesn't collaborate with his crew. He doesn't say, hey, data,
what do you think we should do to optimize the
the you know, the output on this that and the third,
or hey, Jordie, how can we reroute the things so
we can get more intensity on the photons because I
want to be able to really hit him hard. He's
not collaborating, he's just delegating. Do this, do this, make this, dude,

(01:28:01):
make this. And that's where I don't like his leadership style.
And and and I feel like I've seen that kind
of leadership style before as well. I was screaming at
the TV when I saw that it was not a
lab I was like, it's a trap, guys, Like I
did get out, Like like, as soon as you open

(01:28:29):
the door, you should have known it was a trap.
Like we're not even gonna walk all the way into
this room, Like keep this door propped open while we
take our look around, you know what I mean. Like
I was a little bit upset about that because I
was screaming at the TV, this is freaking trap, guys.
There was an alien in the background when the FERENGI
was at that little little setup that they were, there

(01:28:50):
was an alien in the background, and I liked. I
liked that alien. I thought that's that's it was a
good set dressing and just to have some variety there
made me feel like I was on location somewhere. I
like the moment where Riker was about to come to
Picard and complain about what was going on, and then

(01:29:12):
he empathizes with him and says, you know what, I'm
not going to lay a heavy load on him. He's
got enough to deal with. And I see that he's
an older man, he's physically tired. You can see that
he was exhausted, and I like that moment where he's like,
you know what, let me not put more on Picard's

(01:29:33):
plate than he already has. I don't I don't want
to do that, and so he did. He did not,
And writing that in is also just a good thing
for robalmort to do. It's like a moment that's not
talked about, but it's it's it shows a little bit
character for me on Riker's pardon, the respect he has
for Picard and you know their relationship. Yeah, and you know,

(01:30:00):
I think that's. Oh. The last thing I wanted to
say was when they were hiking down that, you know,
down the little cave they had to go drop down,
they used those clips what are those clips called in
hiking where you you clip on you know, I'm talking
about d clips.

Speaker 12 (01:30:19):
Carabineers. Yes, that they put in the rock. So that
was a piton that were installed and then clipped into
it with a carabiner.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Carabaner. Yes. I was like, you know what, carabaners are
such a good invention that four hundred years from now
they can't improve on it. They're like, you know what,
the thing works, bro, so it still exists. I always
noticed things like that, So that's that's my final thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Carabineers are the way to go, man, all right, Uh,
that's it for us, everybody. If you are a patron,
we'll see you on the other side. And things left
unset where I'm going to tell you, guys, where I'm
positive somebody an actor forgot their lines. There is a
very clear moment that I noticed a long long time

(01:31:14):
ago where an actor forgot their lines, and I will
divulge that and things left unsaid, But until then, thank
you very much to Chris McGee, Carrie Schwent, faith howe'll
t J. Jackson be out, Miss Allison Leech hid, Chris
Garris Evengland out in Wales, Jason m Oaken, who's thinking
like furiously, He's like, I think I know who it is,

(01:31:35):
Melissa Longo for myself, Sarak Melissa, and mister Aaron Eisenberg.
Thank you so much everybody for hanging out with us.
We will see you next time, and until then, always
remember the seventh Rule.

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