Data's Head | TNG 5.26, "Time's Arrow, Part 1" | T7R #354 - The 7th Rule -- A Star Trek Podcast with DS9's Cirroc Lofton

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The San Francisco Register used to be the leading newspaper
of the Pacific Coast, so our attack of pirateiefs are
very touchy, and Jordi wants to play a game of
chess with Data later. Hello everybody, and welcome to the
Seventh Rule with sar Rock lofton.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, my name is Ryan T.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Huskin. Today we are doing a review of Star Trek
the Next Generation Season five, episode twenty six, a story
by Joe Minowski, teleplay by Joe Minoski and Michael Pillar.
Rest in peace and this was directed by Sarrock's pal
Let's Landau. This was June thirteenth, nineteen ninety two. Where

(00:41):
were you? I was enjoying summer vacation, that's for damn sure.
How are you doing today? Srock?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Good and great.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're pretty on schedule, you know, because yeah yesterday.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it when it kind
of I love when it kind of lines up, you know,
it's kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, we're lining up in our own time zero.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
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you did. All right, Sorak, this is your first time
ever seeing this episode. Did you have any idea that
this was a two parter when you first watched it.
I don't because I don't think it says part one.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, that gave me.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
That gave it away. It did say part one when
I oh, I did, okay, Paramount plus. Yeah, thanks for
the spoiler, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Because on because I don't think it originally was on IMDb.
It does it just as Time zero and then the
next one is Time Zero Part two. I'm like, that's sneaky.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
No, I had an idea that was a two parter.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
But you know, it's also a season finale episodes, so
we've we've ended on the best of both worlds bar
one and two.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
We've we've had some.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Series finales where there's you know, a continuation story, so
not that out of character.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
For the.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, that's pretty much seems to be the the m O.
Now the season finale is a two parter, and that's
what they do from here on out.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'll be honest. Back in the day when I watched this,
I was like, Man, this episode sucks. I am not
I am not interested. I am not watching a sci
fi show when I'm a kid to see Mark Twain times.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm not watching it.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm watching a sci fi show for allis and lasers
and diplomacy and interesting theories and Jordie's doing technobabble. I'm
not watching this show to see the eighteen hundreds. And
that's how I remember it. I remember it being like
I remember when people mentioned times Arrow roll my eyes.
I go like, oh god, that one, and people love it.

(03:20):
People love it. But that's how I felt about it
back in the day. Maybe it's a little different today,
But this was your first time seeing it, what did
you think?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Well, you know, I'm I'm not also the biggest fan
of the period pieces, you know, But in this particular case,
I did like the fact that it started with the mystery.
We opened with a discovery on Earth looked like somewhere
near the starving again, because that's the the shot that

(03:57):
they cut to, so you're thinking, okay, you know, alien
presence on Earth. It's funny because I thought of the
dominion when Change Links had infiltrated.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Earth totally, especially because there's Starfleet Academy right there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, so that was like my first thought was like, oh,
wait a minute, is this is this like a change
Link home Front? I think it was a name of
the episode of Space nine home Front.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
How's the Hearadise Lost? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, I was like, is this one of those scenarios
where it's next generation's version of you know, home Front
or Paradise Loss where there's people living amongst them that
you know, have infiltrated the community essentially.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
But it wasn't that.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
It was more like a Time Detective you know story
where they opened with the end, you know, they opened
with the the end of the story essentially, right Data's
head true being discovered. And so I like when they
give you the when they give you the answer, and

(05:02):
then you have to find out what.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
The question is, you know, like Rosebud.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
So it's a mission.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, it's a mystery, you know, and I'm up for
a good mystery that has you know, science fiction elements,
and this definitely does have the science fiction in the history.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, and it also continues on the legacy of Gynan
being like, I know something, trust me on this picard, what.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Dumm it? Well, let's just say no, let's not just
say just tell me like you know. Like the best
part was when she's like hinting, She's like, well, you know, uh,
there's kind of something you know, you know whatever, and
p cards like if you have something to say, yeah,
say it by all means, you know, so she you
know it. Definitely you could tell that these are seasoned

(05:58):
TG writers. It's not just people that kind of popped
on because they know how Guynan acts. She gets a
little coy. She kind of doesn't want to give you
the answer. She wants you to figure out the answer,
even if the answer can't be told, like in this case,
she's just kind of like, all I know is you
need to be there figure the rest out for yourself,

(06:19):
you know. So that's that's really cool. They keep her
consistent like that.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, that's that was also another pleasant surprise for me.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
You never know when Guy is going to pop up
in an episode because she's kind of irregular as far
as her appearances in these episodes. It's not like, oh,
every other episode or every third episode, it's really random
when you see guy. So it's a treat because she's
you know, you know, such a tremendous actor and she's

(06:47):
able to you know, drop in on the set while
she's probably doing a thousand other things in her life
and this is probably kind of an aside to her career.
So when she comes in to bless us with a performance,
it's because you know, she's taking time out of her
other things to stop and do some star trek for it.

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So I thought it was great to see her. I
thought she was great in the performance. She's when she
really digs into a performance and her you know, delivery
of lines, it's so natural. She's very expressive on the face.
Her eyes really tell the story. She's very boy. She
plays the steep boy like I know more than I

(07:33):
telling you very well.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So yeah, I thought she was a.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Big addition to this story being well told in a
good watch.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, And you know what I actually thought, And also
she was She looked really good. She looked really pretty,
and maybe she's pretty in every episode. For second, I
remember thinking I was like, wow, maybe it's just because
the outdoor lighting, this and that, and I was like, wait, no,
this is got to be a set. Maybe I just

(08:08):
need to be better and just need to pay better attention.
But I was like, wow, she looks amazing, you know,
or maybe it's just because I'm used to her always
in the same garb, and when you get to see somebody,
it was kind of like, how this is gonna sound terrible,
But then I won't use that example. I was gonna say,
it's kind of like when Garrick. It was like when

(08:29):
Garreck was in a tux, You're like, wow, putting, you know.
But then the same thing, like everybody on Deep Space nine,
when you put them in a tux or that you
dress them up, suddenly you're like, oh wow, because usually
it's kind of tough to look your best in a
uniform or in a Star Trek thing. But when you
get dressed in more contemporary things or in this case,

(08:51):
something from the past, suddenly you're like, damn, Cisco looks
awesome or wow, you know odo but sheer, they all
look great and then nah, right, and I kind of
hit me look even kind of data with this crazy time.
But anyway, so I was just like wow, I'm glad
that they gave people an opportunity to get dressed up

(09:14):
and look super sharp because it totally worked. You know,
it kind of takes you out of the normal humdrum.
So then I started kind of thinking, Okay, maybe I'm
okay with these eighteen hundreds if they can, because I'm
sure they probably loved it. Let me ask you this,
when the set of Deep Space nine the cast, when

(09:39):
you guys were able to dress in something new and
really look sharp rather than you know, these uniforms that
you may or may not have liked, was there a
little bit of a buzz about it? Were people excited
about it or even like baseball uniforms?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's a standard thing. You
know that people see it as certain type of way
when we get a chance to dress differently, I think
that you know, you have also people that do like
casual fridays, and you have people that are excited to
be dressed up for casual fridays.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
So they're like, okay, and it's that one day of
a Greek.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Where you're not all stiff in a suit if you're
not you know, in your normal stuff. So you know,
it is part of seeing our characters in a different light.
It is fun to play dress up, you know, playing
Star Trek is dressed up in one way, but playing
dress up in a different Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
So yeah, I mean I think people enjoyed.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I think it allows them to expand and play with
their character a little bit more when they're in some
other piece.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I felt.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Like a little bit of level of looseness to the
way that Dinan was portrayed, for example, in this period,
so the you know, the Guynan that we see in
the eighteen hundreds, I think just because of the wardrobe
and the outfits, it seemed like she was more.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Active and less reserved.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
It was more like, especially when she was playing along
with Data when it came in and said, yeah, I
know you that was exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, that's why I was like, wow, kind of looks amazing,
And you're right, it's because she was she was just acting. Look,
she's amongst humans that expect her to be a human,
so she has to act a certain way. When she's
on a starship. She can be reserved, she can be herself.
But yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that,
that she was kind of portraying a different character in

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eighteen hundreds Earth.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, or she has a different tonality to her character.
It was a little bit looser. It was a little
bit less reserved, in my opinion than how she acts
when she's on the ship.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
She seems more.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Measured, And there was a little bit of that measured
approach when she, you know, was talking to the Mark Twain,
mister Plemmon's guy and kind of refuting his you know,
his debate about the age of the Earth and all
of those things. She kind of was KOI in her

(12:24):
usual KOI guided way, like maybe it's older, maybe there
are more planets out there, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
And so she did it in that moment. But then
when data came in and.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Turned everything upside down, that's when you got to see
a little bit more of a machine gist, like let's
go over here and talk about it really quickly. And
there was a little bit more playfulness too to her character.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, and I do remember switching gears a bit. I
remember the Frenchman joke.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
I remember can ask you about that because obviously I
thought about you. I was like, is he offended by
the Frenchman?

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Now?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know, I feel like I'm like most people in
that we like it when we get rased, you know.
It's like when you see when you for example, there's
Russell Peters. I don't know if you've heard of the
Russell Peters. He's like a really funny Indian stand up
comedian and all he does is destroys every race on

(13:27):
the planet, right, and it gets to the point where
you're like, do me next, do French people or do Indian?
You know, like do do Taiwanese people?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Get us? Get us? You know, yeah, and then you
find yourself and that is so us. So it's it's
kind of like that where I like the shout outs.
I like it when people make fun of French people
on a TV show or a stand up comedian because
it's just kind of fun to you know, you get it. Like,
so I liked it. I like the Frenchman joke, especially
because it is kind of harmless fun. What are they saying.

(13:58):
They're not saying, Oh, these guys surrender way too much.
I'd be like, alright, easy, yeah that's enough.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
But you know, that's too close to a nerve.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But in this case, it's cool. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, it's it's a funny joke, especially when.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
You, you know, pair it together with the period and it's
like nobody knows what a Frenchman really is essentially, right.
They're like, I don't know, he's looks like a Scrench
you know, is that any duress?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know they walk around with spandag suits on.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
So all right, he's got us pegged there a little bit.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean, you know, these are stereotypes
and they're they're tropes.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I think it was funny and well played.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
I also thought of you when I heard forty nine ers?
Can you help what forty nine er out? I was like, gosh,
this episode.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Was full of Ryan's I know, why am I hating
on this episode so bad? They're talking about French people,
forty nine ers, they're in San Francisco. That's all good stuff, man. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
I was waiting for a liquorice, a black liquorice shot
out that till.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
The next episode. Somebody's better to pull it out. That
was licorice back in the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Right, it's gotta be yeah, oh yeah, yeah, but yeah,
you know it was. It was a good start to
the episode. I really enjoyed. For example, in the open.
When Data is doing the whole description of what he's seeing,

(15:28):
he's just you know, he's he's disappeared now into the ether,
and and we just hear his voice and we get
really nice shots of the captain listening of other people listening,
you know, to Data as he's describing what he's seeing.
And I, you know, I was really locked in at
that description. I was like, what the hell is he seeing?
These three to four meter But he's say, they're two

(15:50):
to three meters in eight silver gray in color. You know,
no eyes or ears are noticeable. He was going through
a real description.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Although I did notice the eyes pretty easily. Data, You're slipping, bro.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe someone there was obstructing his view.
Then he said a single orifice where the forehead would be,
you know, so he was really giving a good description.
And then they mentioned orfidian and we had we talked
about an orfidian before.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Is no, I think that might just be like an
actual word for a snake or something. I'll look that up,
but like, uh, yeah, that was the thing. Was I Actually,
to your point, I found that to be gripping, Like
it's kind of like for horror movies or thrillers, they're like,

(16:45):
what you don't see is scarier than what you do see,
and so data describing this, like if we just saw
these big lumbering guy blah blah blah with this thing,
we'd be like, Oh, that's cool. But would to hear
describeing it, we're like, oh, that's kind of scary, like
and we're all tense, and it's shown the and it's
not showing what he's seen right away. It's showing a

(17:07):
Riker and Troy and they're like, you know, tweaking out
wharf was probably like reaching first phaser.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
He's like, I'll shoot there where they used to be.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
But yeah, to your point, that's that's good stuff. Yeah,
oh Fidi and I did hear him say that? And
then afterwards, yeah, it looks like it's a oh it
means reptile. Okay, so it's not just snake but reptile.
And then that's why he said. Middle of the episode
he said I'm looking for two people and a snake,

(17:37):
and I was like, what did I miss something? What
do you mean two people and a snake? But then
at the end there we see that very real looking
snake that didn't at all look like somebody's hand. No,
so that was the mystery was solved there. But I
thought that was really cool that they didn't tell us
the answer right away. They dropped another mystery there, and
then when we saw that muppet, we're like, oh, oh,

(18:00):
that's the Ofidian, that's the guy we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, you know, like I said, it started out really
great with the mystery, and I enjoyed that. You know,
that opening scene, I like Data kind of giving us
a description and then boom, he's lost and now the
mystery begins. And of course it's like a snake eating

(18:26):
its taiale. We know the end of the story, right,
I can't hear you, but we know the end of
the story, but not.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
The Oroboros is the snakyess Telle. Yeah really cool.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, so it's like, oh, we know where it's going
to go, and we've now launched into it. I thought
it was a nice line that Captain Picard talked about
and that scene had the Data when Data basically tells
him you know, you can't cheat fake essentially saying nothing
that you do can you know, alter the outcome that

(19:02):
we've already that we already know, So not going on
the mission. Going on the mission, you know, whatever you decide,
it's still going to end. We know how it's going
to end five or three years later. So I thought, hey,
that's a pretty good uh, that's.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
A good analogy, you know, whether you can achieve fate
or not.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I thought that's just interesting enough because when people think, oh,
if you know that you're going to.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know, get hit by an airplane or die an airplane.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Crashed, and you say, well, I'm not gonna I'm not
going to fly in the airplane, so right, and then
I should have worked that fate, except that you don't
know how that you know fate is going to play
itself out right.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's really weird because it feels like you should be
able to like what you're saying, and you just say, Okay,
well I won't go on an airplane for how long forever?
And how are you going to die in an airplane?
I don't know, but it seems like that's just kind
of what things tend, how they tend to work out,
and to that that's why when Riker goes data or

(20:09):
he's like Jordie Troy war if every single person in
the world except data come with me and Data's like commander,
and then Day and then Picard's kind of like his
lines like we need you on the ship for og
you need to study analysis or say a push buttons.
It is like all right, bro. And then afterwards when
he's talking in person and uh, what did he put

(20:31):
He says it is customary for the second officer to
be a part of these away missions, like you do
know that? And he says yes. And then he says, then,
then this must be because you're worried I'm going to
get killed or whatever, and he says, uh, there is
no rational justification for this, because like that, I'll be
irrational like there. It's so funny how they're all so

(20:53):
sad about data and data doesn't carry It's like what
are you doing? Like I gotta go.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
And it's funny because you know, he the one that
they thought had immortality.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Right or essentially would live outlet everybody.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
As long as they can keep his processor functional. But
you know, uh, he everybody else was more concerned with
his mortality than he, you know was, which was interesting
in itself. And I did like that discussion that he
had with data. When it comes to the duties of

(21:24):
the second officer and I'm supposed to be on this
you know, wait team.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
And it seemed like they contradict themselves.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
As far as what I know to be the Star
Trek historical record when they said that captains don't go
on away So I think that was a topic of
discussion later. Absolutely total and I'm like, wait a minute,
I remember Kirk going on.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Kirk.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
That's why they say, Yeah, Kirk was the most roguish
because you're not supposed to go on in a way mission.
He went every time, and he'd always be like, oh, whoops,
I forgot my shirt. If you're gonna go on away missions, captain,
at least keep your shirt on ro like and wear
a belt or something if you can't keep your pants on.
But yeah, so that's that because I really think that

(22:13):
that that's at least in universe. But the real world
reason is just because they came up with that rule
after the original series of Starter, you know, afterwards, when
they're like, look, we can't have Captain Picard running around
punching and drop kicking monsters and humping chicks like that's
for Riker to do, so we'll make this rule. So
I'm pretty sure that rule came after. They might have

(22:34):
mentioned it on original series, but I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I've seen too many away missions. I think that's I
think he was the main away.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Mission guy every time.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yep, it's so so yeah, they definitely revised the rules.
It's peers, you know, as far as canon is concerned.
But I was okay with it. You know, it definitely
served the p of the story, especially in the moment
where dying is basically saying you have to go, and
I can't explain why.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, she did explain.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
She said, otherwise we would have never met, and so
that was our way of explaining, you know, telling him
the biggest clue that she could tell. You know, it's
like everything changed if you don't do it. So I
thought that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It is interesting, and it does make you wonder what
Picard was thinking when she said that, you know, because
that could mean a million things. When we're talking about
time travel, when we're talking about anomalies and point zero
zero four variances. He's like, what does that mean? Does
that mean if I don't go, you're going to die
or I'm going to die, we'll never meet? You know,

(23:42):
really doesn't know, but she's the one thing he does know.
He is like, well, I guess I better go on
this way mission for whatever reason. Yeah, speaking of a
way mission, we're going to go away right now, everybody
and take our break. It's kind of like a two
parts It's gonna be like part two the seventh year Old.
Part two coming up. We'll be right back on the
seventh rule. Hello, everybody, welcome back to Siak. I've never

(24:08):
time traveled. Loften, I mean maybe he has, well, I
can't speak for him. Look, here are the trivioids of
the week. They go a little something like this. There's
evidence of extra terrestrials in the late nineteenth century Earth.
There is a twelve percent decomposition of bitanium in the

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neural pathway links of Data's head LB one zero four
four five is only known to exist on one place,
Davidia two in the Morab sector or Morab Jordi wants
to play game of chess with Data. Later rikers mental
pathways have become accustomed to Data's input patterns. Oh, that
would have been good. At the top. It is standard

(24:49):
procedure that the second officer accompany the away team. The
San Francisco Register used to be the leading newspaper on
the Pacific coast and sartac a parateiefs are very tight,
so don't take him out on a date. All right.
So where were we? I don't really remember, but I

(25:09):
do remember that we had Mark Twain. So Mark Twain, well,
Samuel Clemens was his real name, if I remember correctly,
and Mark Twain was his his pen name, right, Yeah,
so that's why you had this guy named Samuel Clemens act,

(25:30):
you know, acting like Mark Twain is because they're one
and the same. And it was really interesting to see
him talking with Guynan and yet actually I thought the
actor did a really good job, and the writers did
a really good job, especially of capturing fun clever vernacular
and fashions of speech, like when he said, uh, what

(25:53):
was it that there was some he said, I'll continue
my character assassination unimpeded. I don't know why that's funny,
but to me, I'm like, nobody talks like that nowadays,
Like I'm making antity talking ship is what they would say.
But it's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Really liked it, Yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
And he mentioned the one line I liked is what
he said something about eavesdropping. It's not polite for it
to eavesdrop, but it's already done something like that.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Nonetheless, the deed is done.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, and so like it was, they really did. I
thought the actor did a fantastic job. I actually in
some moments was trying to guess who the actor was.
I had feelings of Renee Alberson Law and the way
he performs, So there was a part of me that

(26:47):
he's saying it, you know, is this Renee, because ren
Renee could pull that off were given opportunity.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
But it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
It was another really good character actor that was fantastic.
I thought it was twenty you know, were mannerisms that
were accurate. It wasn't over the top, it wasn't you know,
too loud. It was just right on the nose for
me as far as I think the performance.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, And I'm looking him up and it turns out
that this is not his first and only role in
Star Trek.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
He was.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
He was a character named Reddo in the first season
episode when the Bow breaks of Next Generation that was
with all the kids, you know, Wesley Crusher and all
the kids. So he was in that episode, and then
later on he was doctor Niria in a Voyager episode No.
D Space nine. This was also season one A Voyager.

(27:49):
The episode was Emanations. So and his name is Jerry Harden.
Phenomenal actor. I totally agree, but I'm bearing the lead.
What am I thinking here, Sarrack? Did you recognize another?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, I did see a Deep Space nine actor. That
was fantastic. It's like, uh, mister mark Alimo.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yes, every time he opened his mouth and says his
first line, you immediately go, mark Alimo, what's he doing?
Just like, that's the weirdest he's ever Like. He usually
plays some kind of villain, whether it's an Antikin or
a different Cardassian or Ducat this time, he was just
some poker hustler, you know, in a in a frillly suit.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Very good at it actually, and I wish I wanted
to see more.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I was.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I wish I wish we could have seen some of
the actual poker game and some of the gamesmanship between
Data and Mark Alima.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I was, I was like, this is it.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
This is my moment.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I get to see, you know, Mark go off on
Data and you know, I'll see Brince versus mark Alimo
and this kind of chess of in a poker essentially
his gamesmanship, and he.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Would have been perfect for it. I love the character
that he had. It had the bravado, it had, you know,
he had the.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Flair.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I loved his outfit.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I thought it was definitely uhoul they say debonair. Yeah,
it was just it was just a nice look for him.
So yeah, I was pleasantly surprised to see her.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, you are so right about that. Like, I hadn't
even thought of that, but at first I just thought, like,
how can you have Mark Alimo just having two or
three lines? Well that's such a tease. But you're right.
If we could see, you know, the like you said,
the gamesmanship, the poker game, you know the because poker
is always like a game within a game, right at

(29:52):
that mental game, that would have been so fun and
Mark Aalimo, we know, could have just chewed it up
there and data would have been hilarious. Uh So that
has to stay in our minds because it wasn't on
the page. But I will say this, and it's funny
because usually when I watch these episodes, there's always one

(30:14):
or two points when I think of sirac Loft and
when I go, oh, Siaqs loving this or oh so
this is definitely a sarac episode, or oh man, this
episode is losing Siak at the seventeen minute mark already,
you know, But in this case, this was the first
time where I was like, I think Siaq's thinking to
me right now when they mentioned the Frenchman, and then

(30:34):
when they mentioned the forty nine ers, I was like, Okay,
now he's thinking, like damn, this is Ryan's favorite episode.
But especially when they started speaking French. And usually the
number one thing is when people speak a different language,
actors do the first thought is find somebody that speaks
that language and ask them how is their.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Thought of you?

Speaker 1 (30:55):
How's their front of you?

Speaker 4 (30:56):
I was like, I can't critique the French. It sounded
like a plus five, but you know, you tell me
what it was. It was Mark Alimo's French better than
Brent Speiner's French.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Who had the better French?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I have a strong I have strong answers for all these.
Number one, mark Alimo's French was not good. I don't
know if he's ever even taken a French class in
his life. I mean, it's just, you know, it's it's Look,
I don't blame anybody at all like, if somebody said, Ryan,
we need you to speak you know, Tibetan, I would

(31:32):
memorize the sounds. They would give it to me. But
nobody would ever be like, wow, that's incredible. They'd be like,
all right, hopefully nobody speaks Tibetan. And actually, in that
poker game there was you know, they really liked Tibetan
with each other. That didn't work. The point is Mark
Alimo was not good. Brent Speiner was also not good,

(31:55):
but he was less not good, and he tried. He
Brent Speiner tried to sell the French accent by acting
like a French guy.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
He's like, I was like, wait, that's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
He's speaking English and he's just like, well I think
that blah blah blah blah blah. He speaks French. And
he went into a full on French like impression and
characters Hello. I'm like, hey, hey, no need, no need
for that, don't hide.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
We just speak regular, bro, we don't need the extra stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
It was, but it's just funny that like that's what
he thought would sell it is if he went into
an impression, because I've done that before too. If I'm
trying to sell a specific accent, I find myself physically
going into an actual like caricature impression, which is not good.
But anyway, so his accent was better. And I feel

(32:52):
like he's taken a couple of French classes in the
past because it was okay, but it would be mistaken
for a French speaker.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Neither one of them, No, not especially.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Enough for what what what would be the grade if
we were doing an A, B, C D grade? What
what would be the grade?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay, each one of them.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Honestly, I would say they both get a pluses for
being English speakers. Memorizing French words. That's really hard. I
mean it's just really hard. So they get they get
a plus for that and for acting and for all that.
If I were a French teacher and they were my students,
yes I would. For the accent alone, I would give

(33:35):
a LIMO, you know, like uh a D at best.
You know, it's just it was just not a good accent,
and I would give Brent maybe a B. You know,
if I was just talking about like, you know, they
they were taking a class.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Just the language itself. We're not taking a performance. Yeah,
it was just talking about it. To the ear a
brakship or not.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Is if they went to France and they said one
word in that accent, a French person would immediately say
this is American. They couldn't even get They wouldn't even
be able to sneak one word. They couldn't even say
hello in French without the French person saying this American American. Okay, anyway,
but great job, because.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I know how the smell test of accordion wasn't close.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Wasn't close, but still again, major kudos for memorizing lines
in a different language while you're also acting and performing.
That's actually really hard. So it's fine.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well for us nons French speakers, it was in a plus,
I was perfect. I was convinced.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I was like, hey, that's good enough to main data
straight up acting like a French guy.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I was like, you know, I'll buy some wine and
cheese off of this guy. He sounds legit. But yeah, no,
I I was sold on it.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
I did like the moment, you know, and you know
it's funny because Marca Lymeles, even though it's just this
big of a moment, he stands out very much in
whenever he's out the screen.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It's just like, I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, he just he takes advantage of an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
You know, they say there's no small parts, you know,
and acting, you know, if you get an opportunity, you
take it, you shine.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
And who knows if.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
If moments like that lead to keep being called back
and next thing, you know, you're the best villain of
all time on Star Trek, you know what I mean. So, yeah,
that's what I'm saying. And we've seen display out many
times when the guys from at their guest star you know,
moments and then turned it into.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Some total figure.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
And the fact that they kept bringing Mark Alimo back.
This is like his fifth role already, or fourth or
fifth role already on Next Generation, which means they really
loved his performance. Like they didn't hire a French guy.
They're like, we just need to find a good actor
and who can be passable and we'll figure out the rest.
He was a good actor. He owned that scene with

(36:03):
just a couple of lines, which was incredible. He played
Frederick Lahook Lahook right, And of course he does get
the caveat of he said he was from New Orleans,
so his accent can be anything he wants it to be.
It's doesn't have it doesn't have to sound like a
French accent. So that's a big caveat there no worries

(36:23):
he's from New Orleans. Whatever, We're fine. But I loved it.
And as soon as you hear his voice, you know, you.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Know it's funny because if you gave him the opportunity
that wardrobe and that old character and he can really
dig deep into it.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
There were elements of it that reminded me of.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Leonard of Dicapriell's performance in Jane Go Unchained.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yes, there was.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Something there that I felt was similar to how Dicatrio
carry that character in that movie. That seem against that
same kind of, you know, kind of perspective. And so
I think that if he really went into it and
we got to see him flush out this character, he
could really take.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Make the most of it.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
That's why I really felt like they missed out on
just at least showing us a cool one.

Speaker 8 (37:19):
Minute two minute scene of them playing cards and data
reading the hands and you know, outsmarting them because he's
a computer obviously, but you know, and to see Mark
a Limo's maybe suspicious you know, or his frustration at
losing one of the two.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
It would have been.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Totally good to see it or even like a revisit
in a second scene later. But this is one of
those cases where we're thinking that predominantly because of the
actor that was cast in the role. When they wrote
it on the page, they're just it was probably just
this small role. If they knew they were going to
cast Mark Alimo, they probably would have beefed it up.

(38:00):
And so this is one of those things where he's
just like, hey, there are no small roles, only small actors,
and he's he's the kind of actor that's going to
make writers and producers and fans wish the role was
bigger for him. So that's big time. And by the way,
when you mentioned he carried that certain amount of arrogance
and I was like, well, then I guess he nailed
the French thing. So that that's validation right there. You
just validated.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, it was total, so.

Speaker 6 (38:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
And then there was another moment in this episode that
jumped out to me and being special and just fun
to watch where I had to rewind it because it
was something special to watch. And that was when Troy
was doing her imitation of data too. Yes, breaks, she said,
let me see how does he do? How did he
describe friends?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Friends?

Speaker 4 (38:47):
And her line was, you know, as I experienced certain
sensory input patterns on my mental pathways, oh, my mental pathways,
become accustomed to them. The inputs are anticipated and even
missed when absent.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I mean, what a great I mean she even went
into the delivery.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
She hit the same kind of you know, sound wave
that he delivers his lines into this rhythm.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I thought it was great.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
As far as her ability to imitate.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
It seems like one of those things where her first
thought was probably like as an actor, was probably like, nice,
this is going to be awesome. But then when she
started looking at the line, She's like, I need to
put a little extra time to memorize this ass line.
This is a crazy this is long, and this is
and then probably Brent's thinking like, I understand, you have

(39:46):
to nail one of my many, many many lines I
usually have. And you know he's probably thinking like, ah,
somebody else can feel my pain, and Jordie's like, hold
my tricorder, bro and my lines and writers like chill exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Right, because I could do this with my you know,
my handsided by the back. This is easy stuff. But yes,
when you hear how he phrases things, he has to
learn these lines, so that would be a data line, right,
And and it is not easy for you, like I
had to read. I have difficulty greeting it.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
It's like especially trying to you know, I mean, I
have difficult It's not easy to get these words out.
It's not part of your normal way of speaking. It's
not something that you can maybe like put an accent
on and then steal something.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
That's easy to understand. This is like you you have
to talk like a robot. You smart.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I enjoyed it the smart robot. So I really like that.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Observation. And it also tells me how well the crew
knows each other. It's like they all really know each
other well. And at this point we're five seasons in
where the last EPISO, so the season you know, everybody
knows each other, they can imitate each other.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
They have this high level of concern for each other.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
You know, you see that everybody's kind of really sad
for Data and treating him differently. That was another moment
I liked when they were in the turbo lift and
Data says, I'm noticing that everybody's acting different.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
And then you go kind of like, you guys just
did yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Then Riker's like no, and they both give a different answer,
you know what I mean. I thought that was funny too. So,
I mean, this episode had a lot of good things
in it. I know I'm not the biggest period piece
guy either, but this particular case, you know, when you
add the science fiction element to it. I also thought
to myself watching it, I was like, how cool would

(41:47):
it be? Like how much of an advantage does Data
have in the eighteenth century? Right, Like he has the
blueprint of all the things that are going to be convented.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Not only not only does he know how to invent everything,
but he also has the physical ability and the mental
ability to do it, which is unbelievable. But you know,
we only have a couple of minutes left here, so
you kind of touched on something that I totally forgot
I wanted to bring up, which is this is the
last episode of the fifth season, Strock. I mean, can

(42:17):
you believe we're already five out of seven seasons? So
I kind of was wondering, where are you right now
with the next generation. They've they've clearly come into their own.
This is season five is quintessential. No pun intended because
it isn't quint like a prefix of five, but it's quintessential.

(42:38):
Next generation. This is this is when people think of
next generation, they this is what they picture. What are
you thinking about TG right now?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
I think it's a fun show. I really have enjoyed it.
It's it's got things that make you think, it's got
humor in it. It's got really well developed characters that
you know, mesh well.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
With each other.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
And I have seen the growth of Captain Picard in
this show. I've seen him go from kind of a
little bit you know, irritating and short tempered and you know,
and and a little bit abrasive to being more thoughtful,
to being more calculated, to being to having empathy to

(43:26):
a higher degree. So there's I've seen maturity and growth
in Patrick Steorte's performance of his character. So I like
that too as well. But I think this show still
and it's funny because now the five season and the
five seasons, it's this still this show still revolves around data.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
For me, Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
I can't not like him the most out of all
of these characters as much as I'm you know, the
captain of your show is the star of the show,
and you know usually is the you know, the face
of the thing. But I don't know this thing in
Data's character is so you know, it's part of the
imagination of all of us that wanted to have you know,

(44:15):
cybernetics and see cywords and see computers. I mean, you know,
artificial intelligence and bands care level where it could mimic
human life in these kinds of ways.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
And so he is in the embodiment of that.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
You know, if artificial intelligence had its own deity, it
would probably be Data would if the mind all of
the world's information and watched all of the stuff, it
probably would say, yeah, Data is like is closer to
how we would want to be manifested into a corporial porn.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Then some of the other nightmare versions of what we've
seen are you know, like Terminator Terminator and Space Odyssey
and all of these things, you know, where the AI
becomes a threat or you know, it's the thing that's
we're you know, the threat to our own existence.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Data doesn't seem to be the threat to our own existence.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
He seems to be the beginning of his own existence,
of a different kind of existence, And I think that's
what makes me so intrigued by his character.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, and I think you echo the sentiments of the
fans from thirty years ago. I think that they looked
at Data and were like, this is I think he
became the breakout character. He kind of ascended the ranks
into being you know. It's kind of like, uh, what.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
What Spock is to the original series, Data is to
the next Shiva?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
He is the Spock of this show.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
And speaking of which, it's time for the home run
of today's episode.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Who is it?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Sarak Lawton?

Speaker 4 (46:04):
You know what, as much as I want to give
it to Grand Speiner, who's like it's just amazing, and
he doesn't so effortlessly that it's like you can always
give him the home run almost, you know, but in
this particular case, I believe that Whoopi Goldberg deserves the
home run.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
There were so moments there. She's soft when she needs
to be.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
She she plays the beats perfectly and in a very
unusual way that I don't think any other actor can
really pull off the way she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
I love watching her on screen.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
She radiates to me, and I would give her the
home run, as I think character kind of stole the
show right up at the end.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
And so yeah, she snuck up and took the home runner, right.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah, she robbed them. She jumped over the fact like
that one dude on the a's Oh my god, did
you see that a few days ago? That was insane. Yeah,
And I was sad that when you said Data does
it effortlessly that you didn't say he makes it look steffortless.
But look, you know that's everybody knows inside the NBATNT

(47:15):
rest in peace to them because their show just ended.
But I agree, I mean Data obviously carried the show,
but Whoopee gets the home run today because she did
the most with the shortest amount of time besides I mean,
oh my god, besides Mark Alaimo. But she had basically,
you know, one long scene, but she did so much

(47:36):
with it, and she got to do something different than
what we usually see. Whereas Data, he was just in
a different situation, but he was still being Data. He
wasn't anything terribly different than who he always is. It
was just Data fish out of water kind of situation.
Whereas Guynan got to be a different kind of character,
or whoopee did? Speaking of different kinds of characters, all

(47:58):
of these are different kinds of characters, and we love
them all except for one. Guess which one? Uh, Doctor
Anne Marie Siegel, Eve England out in Wales. You've got Blackman,
Tom t j Jackson bay Out, Missouri, Titus Moller, doctor
Mohammed Nora and Neil oh Palatte, Joe Bauceeradi, Mike Goo,
doctor Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwend, Faith Howell, Edward Foltz, the
map Boardman, Chris McGee, Jake Barrett, Henry Younger, Allison Leech Hide,

(48:21):
Julie Menasfi, Jed Thompson, doctor Susan V. Gruner and Glenn Iverson,
Dave Gregory, Chris Sternet, Greg k Wickstram Cassandra Gerard, chuck A,
Chris Garris, Mark Zutkoff, Lamiah Lancaster, Sean Mounch, Sean mouch
A'miram Misna, and of course Jason m Oakin. All right,
everybody stick around, thought of something about Eve. I'll sit

(48:44):
on the other side. We'll be right back on the
seventh rule. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the seventh rule
with Siah don't call me a bad driver Lofton. This
is the free for all, of course, uh, with Melissa
f Longo Yeah, and Jason m Oakin of course, Hi everybody.

(49:10):
Alison leech Hide has showing off her amazing wardrobe of
earrings that she always has.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Steve Case is aka Joe Bugbuster. Good to have him,
for sure. T. J. Jackson bays on the bridge of
the Enterprise d As is Faith Howell. Cool uniform too.
Chris Garris is floating outside in a space. Carrie Schwent
has a cool background. I don't know what that is,

(49:39):
but she'll tell us. Oh, that's why, I don't know
what it is. Chuck a has his great background of
all of his goodies. As always, we have Chris McGee
who is the dark Lord, and Matt Boardman who is
the all right, all right? Jake Cisco guesses the IMDb score.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I think this one was like around an eight three
or an eighty four.

Speaker 9 (50:14):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Does anybody else have any guesses that doesn't already know?

Speaker 9 (50:20):
I'm gonna give it a nine to oh, I mean
eight two, thinking eight five?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
All right, one of you is exactly on, so you
get to pull out one hundred dollars credit. It's the
rock lofton it's an eight point three. Yeah, wow, incredible, unbelievable.
Did we get any non appearance mentions today? I didn't
catch any one? Lor oh right, very good? Yeah, okay,

(50:56):
laur Also I caught one some kind where is it?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
It was?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah? But I only caught one. I don't pay attention
as well as I should. It was warf who said
some kind of look guerrilla war right, indeed, what else
was there? Chris McGee earlier on.

Speaker 10 (51:16):
JORDI was describing what the Davignians might be like, and
he says it also might mean they're shape shifters of
some kind. Then later, as Data is explaining what he's seeing,
has he shifted and he's in the cavern, says they're reclining.
They reclined against the rock face, surrounding an apparatus of
some sort. And then the next line, describing or speculating

(51:40):
on those energy fire hippings from that apparatus, says, perhaps
some sort of nourishment. Wow four or unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
All right, speaking of unbelievable, everybody, malisse a longo, please
get us started off on the right track by telling
us what you thought of this particular episode.

Speaker 11 (51:58):
I enjoyed this episode. It's fun. I like that, I
like the time try and travel aspect of it. I
enjoy that everyone, almost everyone seemed to have something to
do and played a part in telling this story. I

(52:21):
enjoy the relationship building between all of the characters, between
Data and Jordy, and we get to see more with him,
between Jordie and Guyon, between Guy and Picard, between Guynan
and Data, so there is a lot. The guy who

(52:43):
plays Samuel Clemens is really funny.

Speaker 12 (52:47):
I love Yeah, I.

Speaker 11 (52:51):
Love his betrayal of that it's so good. But I
also like that there's an actual mystery going on and
everyone seems to be part of the solution finding out
what this solution is. I look, I did watch the

(53:15):
second part.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Because I'm really.

Speaker 11 (53:20):
What so I'm excited to watch it again. But I'm
excited to visit the second part because I think this
first part really sets up the second part very well.
Oh and the relationship between Troy and Riker was really

(53:43):
solid in this too, especially when she's copying Data and
the way she makes Riker smile when he's angry and
that's great, and then he does it. He makes her
smile when he tells Dave how fond he is. Yea,

(54:04):
and yeah, so I loved that scene in the turbolifting
right before.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
That's a good shot Data is looking over at him.
Thank you very much, Malise a longo. Jason m Oaken,
what's up? What'd you think of this one?

Speaker 13 (54:21):
Well, I haven't seen it in a while, and to
be honest, I was a little apprehensions going back and
looking at it. It's certainly a fun episode. One thing
that I'm always kind of cautious about is when sort
of star Trek crosses into the real world and you
see an actual historical figure coming up. That is perhaps
to me. I mean, it's certainly fun. And Jerry Harden

(54:44):
does a wonderful job as Samuel Clements, and I think
he sort of, you know, steals the show a little
bit in his scenes, and I think he's used quite
well and certainly in part one. But again, it's it's
a fun episode that has a lot of sort of
interesting moments to it, and I think with stood out
to me the most this time around was how it

(55:04):
was directed. I think I think it was a beautifully
directed episode. There were a lot of even the you know,
even take the cavern shots. You know, the old cave
set was shot in a way that that was kind
of new and fresh and didn't betray itself as much
as some of the other ones. When the Data's head
is being examined and Data gets up and you actually
see him come up from behind the head, and then

(55:25):
we get the camera padding around the head. And one
thing that kind of reveals a guy in a shirt
standing in the background that kind of got caught there.
If you look carefully enough, you'll see that again. Wonderful moments. Actually,
you know, it's it's the end of the season, and
it's it's nice to get something like that at the end.
And actually, and what Melissa has in her background, the

(55:48):
turbo lift has been worn so much you can see
the carpet coming off the walls. So even the set
ready for a summer break. But it's certainly a wonderful hour.
It looks great and I think you to me the
highlight really as the way the episode looks.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Thanks very much, Jason m Oakin great as always. Alison
Leech Hide is here in the heart of New Mexico.
What'd you think of this one.

Speaker 14 (56:20):
I love this episode. It is fun, and I like,
never stop, you know, in between the episodes, and I
did stop in between them this time, and I'm just like, wait,
it stops here. This is a cliffhanger for the end
of the season again, And they weren't originally going to
do a cliffhanger, but they did because Deep Space nine

(56:44):
was coming out and they wanted the fans to know
they weren't stopping with TNG, and so they're like, no, no,
we'll end it on a cliffhanger. So there's something for
people to look forward to for Next generation, for the
next season. So I thought that was interesting. But I
don't think I saw it as a cliffinger. I think
I saw them altogether. But I love this episode because

(57:06):
it's nothing but our characters interacting with each other. Yes,
we have a mystery, which is really cool, but the
mystery is about one of our characters and the end
of their existence, and so like there's everyone is like
sad and intense about it, but there's so much humor
in this episode. I really enjoy it. You know, all

(57:27):
of the guidance scenes and of course she's a main,
main character in these two episodes. But I loved her
in the bar, you know, mixing her her drink and
talking to per Card and ending her little talk you
know with with Jeordy of Oh Full Circle. I'm like, oh, well,
that just brings a mystery to us now.

Speaker 7 (57:46):
So I thought that it was.

Speaker 14 (57:48):
Written, well, we're forever like building up our anticipation of
how do we get to Data's head in this cavern
under San Francisco, And I am enjoyed that that first
scene with them took forever to get to the reveal
of why they're here is Data's.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
Head in the cavern.

Speaker 14 (58:07):
I'm like, this seems like a lot of build up.
I know it's for entertainment, but I'm like, I think
I would have just led with that, like, hey, your
head was found here, like do you get.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
So?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
And I also love that.

Speaker 14 (58:22):
Mark Alimo's character is like Mirror Universe Samuel Clement, but
I thought that would very great. And you know, sad
we won't see him on next gen anymore, but he's
too busy over on Deep Space nine being one of
our favorite villains, so glad to keep him that way.
So yeah, enjoy it. Can't wait to finish the watch

(58:44):
for next week.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Mm hmm, great stuff, Alison. Only critique is you mispronounced
heroes when you said villains by accident about Golducat TJ agrees.
All right, Steve Kay's aka Joe Bugbuster, What did you
think of this one?

Speaker 9 (59:02):
I didn't remember much about it when I came back
into it, other than Data's head of course, and Mark
Twain I remember, but I didn't remember much else from
the episode, stuff like going back to old San Francisco.
Didn't remember, Pokery game, didn't remember. But one of the
players who we were just talking about, Frederick LaRue, the

(59:26):
guy in the red, looked familiar and especially sounded familiar,
And yeah, it was Mark Aliamo, who played Goldecott on
Deep Space nine. It turned out he also had some
other firsts. He was the first Romulin commander ever, the
first Romulan ever. He was also the first Cardassian ever

(59:48):
in any Star Trek series, so it was fun looking
into that. When Guynden tells Picard that he must go
on the away mission suggest that this is where they
first met in Old San Francisco, a little something perked
up again, like I remember something about that, and then

(01:00:11):
Data up building something with electronic parts. That's the picture
I liked here. That scene really reminded me of Spock
doing the same thing in a hotel room in the
city on the edge of Forget Forever in the original series.
A little bit different time, a little bit different part
of the country, but very similar scene. So I really

(01:00:33):
enjoyed that. I've got some things left unset, but I
generally liked the episode and I'm looking forward to rewatching
part two.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Great stuff. Thank you very much, Steve Case aka Joe Bugbuster.
All right, TJ Jackson Bay, this is a top three
episode for you. Maybe what'd you think of it?

Speaker 12 (01:00:56):
It is up there. It's a good one.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:01:00):
And I also, like Alison, have not yet watched the
second part because I'm like Lisa, we have a little
bit of self control. Actually I just didn't have time.
I'm kidding, because it really does leave you hanging, and
and I was like, I had the same reaction. I
was like, this is where they stopped, like come on,

(01:01:23):
and so you know, I'm also I also feel like
like there's so much about the whole episode that I
want to say, but in time, my comments to just
this this part and I'll have some unsaid things left also,
Uh no I said that backwards. Okay yo, Yeah, this

(01:01:48):
is it's fun because you know, it's it's taking us
on a journey that we don't often get to go on.
The time travel is always kind of fun, but this one,
I think is it's even exceptional in that category. Uh,
you know, as they go back to it was eighteen hundreds,
I believe it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Uh, and we get to see you.

Speaker 12 (01:02:10):
Know, this next generation uh you know, do do stuff
in a time period that's historical for us. I think,
you know, I appreciated the really one of my favorite
scenes was the debate between Guynon and Mark Twain. I
thought that was interesting and debating whether they or not

(01:02:33):
you know, the Earth is the universe, which you know,
some people seem to kind of think it still is.
Maybe not in those terms, but uh, you know, that's
the story for another day. I really enjoyed that scene,
and I think I kind of let on you know
what of my favorite quote is one of my favorite
quotes of the episode was I appreciate it the one

(01:02:56):
with with Deanna uh emulating data to even did like
the data impression.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 12 (01:03:05):
But my favorite quote was eavesdropping is by no means
a proper activity for a gentleman. Nonetheless, the deed is done.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
That's just hilarious. And and you know, I do love
that that.

Speaker 12 (01:03:22):
You know, a part of this episode carries on and
to Lord Decks with all the Mark Twain and and
and even to the to the convention scenes with people
you know training on site. Also, one of the best
cosplays I've ever seen is Sela marsh and her husband
dressed as the Davidians. So that's pretty good if you

(01:03:47):
know her and see her pictures or something that's worth
looking at if you've never seen it. But that's all
I have to say for now. But I got more
for later.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
And there they are real quicks. Just because you said
Eves dropping, we have to mention that if you say
Eve's name, we have to talk about her real quick.
She said she couldn't make it today, but she said
she loved the episode and it even had a Welsh link.
Here it is she said, Alfred Russell Wallace, who was

(01:04:20):
mentioned in the episode. She said, Alfred Russell Wallace, who
Mark Twain was talking about, used to live in our house.
What what are the chances of that? Anyway? Great stuff,
Thank you very much. TJ. Jackson Bay out in Missouri.
All right, Chris Garris, the dinner bell is ringing? What

(01:04:43):
do you got for us?

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
This is one one of my favorite episodes. I will
watch it no matter what. And for recently another channel
I was watching, they were like, had this on their
their wheel a shame, and I was like, shame on
you for putting on your really shame. But no, I
always liked this episode. You know, you know, I love
now how because we've loved the Guynan and the card,

(01:05:10):
Like when she calls him down there and you know,
he looks in at the drink. She's like, you have
to go on this mission or we do not and
she finds it or we do not meet, and you know,
I just like that. And then I just you know,
I love the the fact that we go back in
time and we get to meet Mark Twain, who is
a little bit of a pain in the butt, and
you know, he's eavesdropping and forces his way in, but

(01:05:36):
then he actually helps out in the end. Shoot that's
the next episode. I'm running them together anyway, strike that
he does not do anything, but it's just, you know,
I just liked the episode, you know, when then, you know,
Data is so noncho and then driving them, it drives

(01:05:58):
them all up the wall. And how nonchalot he is
about Yeah, it's my head.

Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
He's like, you know again he has no emotions, but
like he says, also, it actually you know, they're all
the crew is all. You know, they're just upset about it.
And he's actually it actually gives him some you know,
solace because you realize I'm not I'm I actually do
have an ending in my time and I'm not gonna
live forever and so and of course, I like he

(01:06:26):
said when Jordi was talking about it, and he's like,
he tells Jory, I'll just make new friends and then
when they pass away, I'll make even more new friends.
I was like, damn, which kind of reminded me that
movie by a Centennial Man with Robin Williams and because
he was Android. But yeah, I know this. I I

(01:06:49):
don't even think I have any things left unsaid to
say negatively about this episode. You know, always have to
be negatives, well even positive some days. But anyway, but anyway,
I said, it's a great episode I have I'm looking
forward to. I wanted to. I really wanted to make
this one because then we can talk. I'm looking forward

(01:07:09):
to the next, the next one, and then that thing
that I said can actually happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
It's a time travel episode. Apparently, just like this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I know I did.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
We don't have a going.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Thanks very much, Chris Garris. We will see you next
time in Southeast Texas. All right, Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear.
One of the coolest shirts I've seen in a long time.
What do you think of this one?

Speaker 7 (01:07:36):
I love this one. I love a good time travel story,
as you know I had. They had to have the
artist behind me because we love a good wibbly wobbly
time you wine retail, and this is all kinds of
whibbly wobbly. And yeah, the data said, just the expression
on data space and the data set just it makes

(01:07:57):
it makes me choke a little It makes me choke
a little bit. We'll see it again later later on.
And apparently they re used the head as a borg
head and on voyage during Unimatrid zero. So I'm looking
forward to the next time. I watched that that episode,
so I can see if I can recognize data under
whatever board stuff they put on put on top of it,

(01:08:18):
and I love that they chose this time period for
for the going back to just the sets and just
and the and the fashion. I love how they how
they dress back then, like the what is behind Ryan there?
She looks she always looks fantastic and purple. But this
that outfit, especially with the feather, love love all of it.

(01:08:42):
And Jerry Harden, I've I've talked about him before. He
was in the season one episode when the when the
Bow breaks, when Wesley and all the kids get get
get kidnapped. So I've gutched about him about X File
X Files and yes, doctor doctor, doctor Quinn. But something
I found out that I really liked. I very much

(01:09:02):
enjoyed him as Samuel Clemons. Loved the look, his voice
was fantastic, and apparently he enjoyed playing that character so
much he created a one, one man show that he played.
I guess off and on just for for ages and
ages afterwards. I would have loved to have seen that show.
I bet it, I bet it was. I bet it
was a really good time. And the only other guest

(01:09:26):
star that that I'm that I'm gonna highlight is is
Mark Alama. Got a gush on that that whole look
the hair. I'm not a fan of facial hair, but
the picture hair he had in the episode worked for
that outfit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
I want that vest.

Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
The pattern on it and the colors are so human.
Tina walks into his room wearing that vest and then the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
I left.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
Yeah, I really really laughed my butt off. And once
again data has proven he has mastered some how comedy.
The bet with the anvelt when he grabs and starts
walking and then he drops it and says, ow makes
me laugh every single, single, single time, single time I
will watch it. And I had the theory. I loved

(01:10:16):
the old forty nine er, the homeless guy. He was adorable.
I loved his voice, the dude he coughed very well.
It was very very believable. But when the couple, the
couple show up, his reaction when he sees them tells
me he has seen them do that to his other friends,

(01:10:37):
or he's seen them do that before. The way he
reacted to seeing them, And like TJ, I love March
the cop The cossway on the on the cruise is fantastic.
I saw them once with she had the back at
the back she had they had smoke coming out of it.
And I think this the snake's eyes had like these
glowing like l led lights that they post her post

(01:11:01):
her pictures with.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Yeah, her her.

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
Cosplay is Margin's cosplay is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 7 (01:11:10):
Yeah, like like Melissa the terrain Riker scene and then
later when you when you added Data just Tear Tear Tear,
Prick City. They so much great face face acting and
that Riker's smiled especially.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
And.

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
Marina nailed the Data's head tilt before he started, and
it's like literally a blank and you miss it. If
you don't notice her tilting her head, you miss it.
But very much enjoyed that. I did not recognize that
the kid that played the the the below bell Hawk guy,
but I very much enjoyed him. And I thought that

(01:11:46):
the the idea for the for the limerick for the
episode kind of kind of came kind of came from him.
So I'll finish with that. The strange pale Frenchman says
that he's lost from home in his pj's, looks like
he was tossed. He won money in poker, just that

(01:12:06):
he is no joker. He tipped me quite well. Looks
like he's the boss.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Who's the Boss. Thanks very much. Crises aka Crafty Bear.
What did you say?

Speaker 11 (01:12:21):
Sorry, delicious?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Yeah, another French thing. By the way, in the episode
Chuck A loves France. What do you think of this episode?

Speaker 15 (01:12:39):
Well, I really liked this episode. There's been a lot
of negative talk on other reviews about how he did
not like this episode. I believe Chris mentioned a little
bit the episode is really wonderful.

Speaker 7 (01:12:56):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:12:56):
As everyone's mentioned, Mark Alaimo was so good in that
poker scene. But there was another uh TG actor in
that poker scene, Ken Thorley. He was the in the
in the in the poker scene as well. He played
mister Mott oh cool star Star Trek episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
He was really good in that too.

Speaker 15 (01:13:18):
And then the one of the other poker players says, uh,
pale face to Data. That was really funny. You go
back to the opening scene. I mentioned this in an
earlier review from Lower Decks. UH spoiler Data mentions, uh,
the man in the silver jumpsuit was the one that

(01:13:40):
took him into the into the cavern.

Speaker 7 (01:13:44):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:13:45):
And uh the the scene where they they're in the
da Vidian home world where Percard beams in and you
know it's finding out what's going on with the with
the investing gation, I guess you'd call it. And he
tells Wharf to go back to the ship, and Wharf says,

(01:14:05):
you know, security for the captain was really good. And
then Wharf says, beat me up. He didn't say beat
me up Scotty, but of course Scotty wasn't there. But
I laughed at that one.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:14:19):
I'm looking for looking forward to part two. Uh, it's
a good conclusion to this episode. And as mentioned Carrie
mentioned Jerry Harden was in the first season when the
bout breaks. He was so fantastic as Mark Twain clements.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
And uh he uh.

Speaker 15 (01:14:42):
I thought he did such a great scene with with
Data and then the scenes with Gun and it was
really wonderful. Really enjoyed the episode. One of my favorite episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
One of your favorites. That's good stuff. Thank you very much,
Chuck a Akat and g fanatic. All right, Chris McGee,
it is time for the dark Lord. What do you
think of this one?

Speaker 10 (01:15:08):
Well, ever, since the best of both worlds, we can't
have a season finale without a cliffhanger episode, and this one,
which was affectionately known during the summer of nineteen ninety two,
as the Data's Head episode finishes out season five nicely.
It's also the episode where most of us learned a
new synonym for snake o fidian. A few things that

(01:15:30):
I noticed then appreciating this episode. I appreciate the unique
camera movement and angle to focus on Data at the
science station through the underside of the horseshoe. I though
that was a nice little touch there. I love that
Data's poker games on the Enterprise with his crewmates is
finally paid off here and up against gold Frederic la

(01:15:53):
Ruche unless apologies for the mispronunciation, and I can't help
but feel bad for that poor forty nine er. I
thought Jack Murdoch did a great job of portraying someone
which suffering from a terminal illness with his shaking and
cough and such. But what I find odd, as Carrie
observed as well, is that he calls out no, no

(01:16:15):
when the Davidians come to take his life for us,
as if he knew who they were and what they
were about to do. I was confused how he could
have known, but I think Carry's explanation works well for me.
One thing I only noticed during this most recent watching
of the episode is as Steve said, data building the

(01:16:36):
contraption in his hotel room reminds me of Spock building
a tricorder power source in a nineteen thirty New York
apartment from arguably the best episode of Star Trek ever. Now,
I have several nitpicks that I'll be saving for things
left unsaid, So feel free to become a patron and

(01:16:56):
check that out. So, going on to the quote, there
were quite a few lines that I remembered from this
episode specifically. It's tough to pick one, but I got it.
And that's Data speaking. Matter of factly, it has occurred,
it will occur. Good stuff, Thank you very much. Chris

(01:17:17):
McGee aka the Dark Lord. All right, Matt Boardman, Comma
the what'd.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
You think of this one?

Speaker 16 (01:17:23):
Okay, do you guys remember when we had to watch
these episodes and wait an entire summer.

Speaker 17 (01:17:28):
Oh yeah, to see the conclusion and like, you know,
and and you'd be like sons, Like god, I gotta
wait three months before I get to see what happens
next and it goes into rerunstead.

Speaker 16 (01:17:41):
Oh, I'm so glad that we don't have to do
that anymore, at least not in this case, Right, this
is a fun episode. It's I I love it in
the sense that it's like you get to see everybody
doing really cool things and it's like, again, we get
that reminder that I mean, we watched the show so much, right,

(01:18:02):
and and Data is just Data to us, but then
we have an episode like this that reminds us that
Data is that character that's not you know, He's meant
to be that magnifying glass on the human race, right,
and to watch everybody else around him interact and be
uncomfortable with the fact that they just freaking found Data's

(01:18:22):
heads sitting in the bottom of a cave, right, you know. Like,
and I love that moment between him and Jordy where
Data it's like he's totally fine with this, and finally
Data is like do you need to talk about this?
And Jordan's like yes, like it's obviously bothering him.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Right.

Speaker 16 (01:18:38):
I love that kind of stuff. I love the way
that it was shot. I'm glad that Jason mentioned that
because it was it was very well shot. The color
looks great, and I know this is the remastered version
of it, but I was like, oh my gosh, the
way that the colors look, the lighting looks great. You know,
I always whenever I watch I think back to the
first season when you can see the shadows of everybody

(01:19:00):
from the from the lights behind the cameras being cast
across the across the bridge, you know, the five mile
shadows that I'm like, oh gosh, I'm so glad that
they finally nailed that lighting down. Some couple of interesting things. Uh,
Doug Drexler was the one who did the Twain makeup.
I don't know if you guys talked about that in

(01:19:21):
the previous segment, So I apologize if you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Know we did not good knowledge. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:19:25):
So Doug did the Twain makeup. And this was actually
Doug's last episode in the makeup department on Star Trek
because of this. Wow yeah yeah. So between this season
and the next season, he moved over to the art
department and uh, and and so then when they came

(01:19:46):
back for the next season and they you know, obviously
Twain is going to be in the next season, Mike
Westmore had to call up Okuda and say, hey, Mike,
can we borrow Doug to help teach the new guy
how to do the Twain makeup and everything? So, so
I just I think that's fantastic. Doug was always very
proud of that makeup. And and actually I think he

(01:20:06):
did actually go to the show that Jerry did after
these episodes and got the chance. He and Dorothy actually
got a chance to see that. So but anyway, and
and one last thing, can we just I mean everybody's
kind of talked about Mark a little bit, but can
we give just give Mark Alamo his flowers? Like this dude,

(01:20:27):
no matter what he does, and you know these roles
that he shows up in Star Trek, dude never phones
it in, Like he's always just like top tier. You know,
I'm just like, oh my gosh, like it just like
he's just I love the tenor of his voice, Like
it's just it's just cool. And and Ryan maybe in

(01:20:47):
things left unsaid, I was very curious as I was
watching this time, I was like, I wonder if Ryan
knew exactly what like, if you knew if you could
understand what he was saying and if you felt like
it was relate to the episode. And I always kind
of laugh at at Data the way that Data says it,
because it was very much like well all you know,
it was like he had a very like like there's

(01:21:10):
something about the way that Brent stood that always kind
of it makes me chuckle a little bit. But anyway,
fantastic episode. Great way to finish off a season and
keep people wanting more.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Mm hmm. Wow, Chris McGee just wrote the whole put
in the whole lines of the French stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
This is great.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all of it. We'll talk about
that and things left unsaid, although Sarroc's like, I'm tired.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
We talked.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
We did talk about it for a few minutes and
I went on a I discussed it. Anyway, it is
time for Jake's final take. Everybody, uh strock Any final
thoughts on this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Yeah, you know, I like data. It was always he
did like a literally kind of life I will do
when you were standing behind.

Speaker 15 (01:22:05):
A boy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, that moment it amazing. So that was really.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Less Landell did a fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Job in the director which we have to go, you know,
being on the character.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
We can't hear you too well now I can barely
hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Yeah, so less less land John woul did a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Got it and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
I like to wat he gave us some different directed looks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
You know, from the period time piece to the interdimensional beings.
I thought he did a great job of this. And
then lastly I like to vanish him drink uh scene
with looking. I thought that little.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Vanishing drink said said everything that we need to do.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
So in the moment, the kind of Dave the card
him about things won't be the same.

Speaker 11 (01:23:11):
That was the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Yeah, yeah, great stuff, good point. And like the temperature
being slightly off was just like the variants being slightly
off and not being I didn't even think of that.
All right, everybody, that's it for us, Thank you too,
The mat boardman, Chris McGee, Chuck A, Carrie Schwent Faith,
How will t J. Jackson be out Missouri? Steve Case,

(01:23:34):
Allison Leech Hide, Jason m Okin, Melissa f Longo for myself,
Sarrock Lofton, Melissa Mister, Aaron Eisenberg. We thank you all
very much for hanging out with us. We will see
you next time, and until then, always remember what are
you doing in the ears? The seventh Rule

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