December 1, 2025 • 91 mins
Cirroc Lofton (Jake Sisko in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) and sci-fi producer, Ryan T. Husk review and react to Star Trek: The Next Generation Season Six.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Linarians attacked an away team outside the conference room,
Corlina discovered that Picard had already made a second date
with Penny Morok and Domjott is just a little trigonometry
and some minor wrist action. Hello everybody, and welcome to
the Seventh Rule with Sarrock Lofton.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hello, my name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we're doing
a review of Star Trek The Next Generation Season six,
episode fifteen, entitled Tapestry, written by the Ronald D. Mour,
directed by the less Landau. This was February thirteenth, nineteen
(00:40):
ninety three, Valentine's Day, Eve. Where were you and how
are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Srock excellent?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
All right, everybody, please make sure you like this video.
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the show and tell us all how much you appreciate
us monetarily. All right, So, sirock I do have thoughts
(01:14):
about this episode. Surprisingly, however, to my knowledge, this is
the first time you've ever watched The Next Generation, so
this would be the first time you've ever seen season
six episode fifteen, Tapestry, What did you think of it?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It was a good episode.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'll say that first because I want I don't want
to pile on the episode right away.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I liked the episode. I enjoyed the episode.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But I do well. The only butt is, I guess.
The only butt that I can say is I didn't
know Tapestry was a Q episode. And so that's my
big butt because.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You cannot lie.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, he irritates me to the n degree, Like I
I physically get annoyed by him.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Uh and and because I guess because he's playing it
so well, because he's supposed to be like that, right he.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Is.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
His character is an irritative, annoying, like you know, pestering,
you know, individual with a whole lot of arrogance and
entitlement and supremacy issues. So there's like all of that there.
And so when I when he gets on, I just
get I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Know what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I just like, oh God, here we go with this
guy and his games. And so they made up for that.
And I'm going to give ron Moore credit because Ronald
Moore did a fantastic job making this my favorite of
the Q episodes, which maybe sounds weird or something, but
(03:06):
I enjoyed this Q episode more so than I think
I've enjoyed any other ones in the past. Okay, it
was less, he was less obnoxious. He was he was
gifting required an opportunity, and I thought, oh, I can tolerate.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
This version of Q. Wasn't overly.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, because the episode wasn't fully about Q. Q was
more the the guide, right. He was he was the
guy that snapped his fingers to create this thing, kind
of like the Robin Hood episode. He was kind of
the guide and he would pop in and pop out,
you know, he's like the narrator almost. What did you
(03:58):
think of junior grade Lieutenant junior grade Picard?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, you know, first of all, it doesn't even fit.
It's like, what is this? Who is this guy?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
As soon as I saw.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
The was it the uh science officer colors on him?
I was thinking, how did he even get out of command?
Like what's going on here? And then it made me
think of your action figure and I thought, oh, this
is why Ryan has that one action figure that he
has that different coloring, right, and you nailed it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
This action figure is from this specific episode. It's a
rare one. It's Lieutenant junior grade pickcard, and I always
have him with me. I bring him up and I
do his little voice. And I couldn't find him today,
as luck would have it, which is I'm like, well,
isn't that that is such a lieutenant junior grade Picard
(05:02):
thing to do is to not be around the one
time when I actually need him. So that was pretty ironic.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like many appearances as he's made on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I really could not find I even found his
carrying case that doctor Susan V. Gruner made for him.
Oh it's green, and I was like, oh good, I
found him and I went like this and his toga
fell out, but not him even the little passport that
(05:35):
that Sue made for when she went to Greece and
took him to Greece with her.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Anyway, he's on the run.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So here's the thing, guys. If you see if you
find Lieutenant junior grade the card action figure, please tell
him to go home. His daddy is worried about him,
and he'll be like, well, he's just not well, that
doesn't sound like him. Actually he doesn't take chances. But anyway,
back to the story, Sarak, I'm gonna be perfectly honest
(06:05):
with you. Yeah, Not only do I have that action
figure just because it's a very rare one and it's
fun to see picard and in science colors, but because
I believe this is one of the greatest episodes in
the history of Star Trek. Like I think it's probably
(06:27):
for me personally, a top five favorite TNG episode which
stops you dead in your tracks to hear me say this,
because up until now it seemed like you had a
little bit of respect for me. But I do believe
that this is a fantastic episode. I even had the
old nineteen ninety eight nine, nineteen ninety nine VHS tape,
(06:51):
and I mean, like the price you bought it for
nineteen ninety nine, not that it came out in nineteen
ninety nine. Maybe it did. And I would have that
thing and I'd watch over and over again, and it
was like the biggest thing, obviously, is the message at
the end. The message at the end was like, it
(07:11):
is something that we have all thought of in our lives.
I wish I hadn't done this. I wish I didn't
do that. Ah boy, I was I did these crazy
and we say, we talk about them with pride sometimes
like ah, man, I did some bad shit, but then
we also kind of have some regrets about certain things
(07:32):
sometimes or wonder what things would have been like had
we not screwed something up. And the lesson is, you know,
it's all part. It's all part of the tapestry of
your life. And if you think your life wouldn't have
would have been better had you not made that mistake
twenty or thirty years ago, you might be wrong because
(07:52):
that mistake might have made you hit a bump in
the road, but it might have created something better in
the long run. And it's got a really great message
and I think a lot of people really like it.
In fact, no spoilers, but our friend Jason m Oakin
told me he is so bummed that he will not
(08:16):
make The Free for All because he said this was
his favorite TNG episode ever, which is the first time
officially he's ever complimented anything.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Your thoughts, Yeah, that's yeah, that's I have to say.
I have to think back on my favorites because you know,
it's all fresh.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
In my mind and I don't have.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
The whole picture of all the episodes that I've seen
in my head right now. Yeah, what was the episode
where he lives out his old life arms flute for himself.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Oh yeah, well that was the Inner Light. That is
most people both consider that a top three or top
five episode, and a huge chunk of people say that's
their favorite episode. Yeah, it's a big one.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I'm mainly more Inner Light than Tapestry. Yeah, powerful,
just just because of the Q factor. Really literally, I
love the story so but.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Really threw you out of it. But it's because he's
necessary to this episode.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's necessary.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
But the problem is I have the same reservation that
Picard himself states in the episode, which is I refuse
to believe the after life is run by you. That
was one, that's one, and it's this badly does the you?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I remember, I don't believe the universe is this badly
designed or something? Yes, yes, yes, so good.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yes, And that's exactly how I felt. So when he
said that, I was like, yes, yes, the cards, I
agree with you. This can't be the case. He can't
have the ability to transfer into interdimensionally into the afterlife.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It just it's just it's just it's just too much
for me.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's too much powers for a que and so I
think that aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now, if it was something else, another.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Guide, yeah, something like.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
That, Yeah, another guide in the afterlife. Just and maybe
this guide was faceless and.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We didn't even know what what alien it was or whatever,
you know, just just a just a guide.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Uh maybe robed or cloaked and you just you know,
face constantly not being able to be seen or whatnot.
The the Q factor is the part that made it
a little bit harder for me, and so I would
have totally agree with you. The story was you know,
I enjoyed watching the story. I enjoyed seeing there's so
(10:56):
much here. So we you know, we got to dissac
a lot. But for example, I think we've heard about this, uh,
this story over the course of these six seasons. Right,
have they not referred to this to Picard having an artificial.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I think they mentioned it in an episode. Yeah, and
certainly in our Free for Alls. People do hint towards things,
and they do like to throw in tapestry and their
description of things just the word with a little wink,
wink and a nudge nudge. So it's been floating around.
I've been trying not to say anything. I mean, and
I know you've seen me play with this little rascal
(11:35):
here in the past, so it's definitely been floating around.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, No, I think story wise, this is this
This let me you know, this is confirmation or reconfirmation,
because I already.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Was certain about this that Ron Moore.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Is the the premiere writer of Star Trek. Yeah, you know,
his body of work is Chooking'sblue.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And you know, before we jump too much in that,
just I think I'm also remembering doctor Pulaski doing something
to help the card's artificial heart too. Yeah, just to
agree with you a little bit more, I think I
remember that like maybe her first or second episode, you know,
like to kind of show how great she was at
what she did. But anyway, Ronald D.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Moore, well, they mentioned it in another episode.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They was like, well, you you know you you have.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
This rebuild artificial heart somewhere in an episode.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I heard it at least once or twice, And yeah,
definitely so. And then Ronald D. Moore his as we
watch these episodes, we've seen all of D Space nine,
now we're watching all of Next Generation. His library, his
resume is getting stacked with good episodes.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's not even a question for me.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
He's just his writing is so eloquent that all I
find myself doing. What I watch an episode of this
is write all the words down, and it feels like
I'm just writing rewriting the script almost.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm like, God, I can't just write everything. I have
to pick something that I like.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But I end up writing Damner half the script. And
I'm thinking, you know a script is good when you're
sitting here writing the lines down.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, well, I know you do the same thing. But
it's just like, oh, do I ever? It's amazing. I
mean when when Picard first sees Q and he tells
him you're dead right, and he's like, how am I?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Why am I here? And how did I get here?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And he says, oh, because of the NEFT administration doctor Crusher.
That was the first like dig Q, and I was like, this, guys,
he's an asshole. In the after, he's taking shots of
Crusher over there.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, I'll show you real quick. Yeah, dude, I do
the same I do the same thing. This might be
the first time I've ever shown this, but my notes
a lot of times when it's a really good episode
is just quotes, quote after quote after quote after quote
after quote, and I'm like, how why am I writing
(14:20):
so many notes here? Yes, so many good so many
good quotes there.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Mine went so far that I had to go to
the backside and fill up the other side and see
because there was just too much yeah on the backside,
I had to write all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Although I get really scared showing everybody my notes because
a lot of times I write really bad jokes to
myself in these notes, or I'll be like, oh, this
guy said some dumb shit and this guy's an idiot,
or oh boy, nice acting stupid or you know, but
I'm like, I can't say that.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But anyway, she got nicknames for people that might share Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I do, but not in this one. I think this
was all positive hopefully so. I mean, I do have
some nitpicks, but they're pretty minor. I do think that
the best part of Q in this episode was when
one of them, and this is maybe my one of
my favorite scenes ever in Star Trek history, is when
(15:22):
Picard wakes up and he looks over and Q goes
morning Darling and Piccard of and he pulled up.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I was like, why is he pulling up?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Legan like like, you know, like he doesn't want to
expose his chest. It's chest out this whole time. Good
so good, But yeah, no, that was funny. I did
enjoy that moment. There was some good moments, and that's
why I thought this was Q's best episode for me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I enjoyed this version.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Of him was a little team, a little mild and
more compassionate, and it just it was.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It was more.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It was a more clever gamesmanship than what I normally
see him reduced to. Like when he says to him, hey,
I'll restore your life and give you a real new working.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Art, and he does, but not what he thinks. You know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It's like when you asked that genie for a wish
and you know, the wish turns out wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You were like, no, no, that's no, you heard me.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, Or like if you just say tell a genie, hey,
I want to be promoted at work, and the genie
says okay, and then you get promoted at work, and
then two weeks later you get laid off because they
can't afford that level or something.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You're like, oh you know what, yes, so yeah, you
got to be careful about wishes. You got to be
careful about regrets. Obviously, that's never going to happen. We're
not going to have a Genie. We're not going to
have a Q. But we have these kinds of things
to remind us of, like, hey, be grateful for what
you have. Don't necessarily think that things that were bad
(17:06):
or seemed bad or felt bad always turn out to
have been bad in the long run. They're all part
of the tapestry of our lives, and when you pull
that thread, pull that loose end, it unravels the whole thing.
But moving on a bit, you said, besides Q, let's
(17:29):
let's take Q out of this. What did you think
of the rest of it?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Well, you know, I enjoyed it, Like I said, I
really enjoyed the episode.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It didn't have any like.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Performance wise that I can sink loving away.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Where was that episode? We just saw it recently. What
the card was very vulnerable and oh yeah, he was
being held prisoner by the Cardassian guy.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh chain of command.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I mean that was performance wise, it's a higher level
of acting that was that Patrick stewartt was doing in
that episode because he had to be vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He was projecting himself.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It was amazing the performance, so like performance wise, they
didn't see anything that jumped out to me like the
greatest episode.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
What made it great is the idea of what is.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
The fundamental thing of it, which is we all wish
we can get opportunity to relive or redo something.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You know, what if this didn't happen? What if that
didn't happen?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And would you be satisfied with the results of what
that light is that you end up coming out of.
And and the irony is that the opposite is also
true too, And that's why I thought.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It was funny to see Lieutenant Junior and grade the
car and what what do I mean by that?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
There is a person who made life choices and is
Lieutenant Junior grade assistant astrophysics guy right, And and maybe
had that person gotten a chance to redo, they would be.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay with the results. Do you see what I'm saying This?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
In the Picard case, we're seeing him not okay with
the results because he ends up becoming demoted. He's not
a captain anymore, and his all time goal and dream
of life is to be a captain, so nothing passes
that in his ideas, right, he want like he could
be a baseball star that wouldn't be as big for him.
Wants to be a captain of a ship, right. He
(20:02):
doesn't want to be a geologist or a Shakespearean actor.
He wants to be a captain, right, And so I
think he realized, Hey, I got to do the thing
that I love most, and I don't care that I'm
on this ship in Starfleet. I'm not a captain, and
my dream, that my ultimate dream, is not fulfilled.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And so I feel like at the root of the
debate is.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Fulfilling what you desire, fulfilling what you believe to be
your destinies, fulfilling to be the thing that you think
is a defining characteristic of who you are. And I
think that lies at heart of it, not the fact
that he was demoted, because I think he's still in Starfleet.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He's you know, he's still studying a subject.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Obviously he did well in in school and well enough
after physics, so he did well enough to get ranking
in that we passed that. It's you know, all of
that stuff. So what I'm saying is it's more about
achieving the dream of what he always wanted to accomplish,
which is being a Captain, it's not necessarily about uh,
(21:17):
because they kept saying, you're running tests, making analysis and
carrying out reports to your superiors.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's what the qu said to.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It, superiors.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Really he hit that, that word superiors hit him.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
R and but but but once again, there are people
living that life.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Doing it for Captain most most people.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
There are people on the card ship that are running tests,
making analysis. Everybody Jordy Data, right, that's what they're doing.
And to me too, whomptified, that as a miserable existence
is not necessarily the right tone to hit, because I
don't think Jordy's life is a miserable one, or Data's
(22:07):
life is a miserable one, or any subordinate to them
who may be working their way up the rinks. I
don't think that just because they they're not the captain
and they're the superior officer, I don't think that's necessarily
a definition of a inferior life or one not worth living,
Like I would just rather die than you know. So
(22:32):
that's where a little bit of the morality and the
you know, the message that we leave behind is slightly
diluted by what they emphasize as being the thing that
he cannot live with. I think it's more about him
fulfilling his dream of being a captain.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I see that, and I'll counter Okay, I mean
part of what you're saying, a lot of it too,
I agree, is that would he be that unhappy with
it had he not already seen his previous reality. If
he had never seen that or lived that, and he
(23:15):
was living this, then he would always just kind of
regret not taking chances. But he wouldn't say I'd rather
die than continue on. Most likely right, he'd be like,
that's good enough, it's cool, it's everything I've ever known.
It's just who I am, you know. But I think
what really hit him was his conversation with Riker and Troy.
(23:41):
That's when it really hit him hard, because that was
a really good scene too. And there's nothing I love
more than seeing actors that are hardly in an episode,
like Jonathan Franks and Marine Assertus were, yet they gave
that scene and everything they had. I thought the acting
(24:04):
from Riker and Troy both were phenomenal in that scene,
like even when Troy wasn't talking, the way she was
looking at Picard with concern and sympathy in her eyes
while Riker was talking to him was really good, and
the way Riker was just cracking me up. The way
(24:24):
he's kind of a dick to his subordinate, you know,
like we used to seeing him talking to Picard, who's
his superior, or talking to the guys like Jordan Wharf
who are not really his peers but really close to
his level. So he talks to them with respect most
of the time. But apparently when he talks to this
(24:44):
bumbling guy who's punctual, he's just like, look, you if
you really want to know, because he was like, oh,
this might be better for your evaluation, and he's like,
I really want to know now He's like, okay, well,
frankly lut tennant, I really don't think that's realistic. I mean,
he's just like, fine, if you're going to be pushy
(25:07):
about it and interrupt my date, I'm going to tell
you the truth. It's not realistic. You're not going to
be a captain. You're a great officer and we don't
want to lose you. But you just you know, you're
thorough does its steady, reliable, and punctual.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He doesn't you got to stand out.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
You don't stand out, you know, and then Troy says, yes,
you know, the thing is you have lofty goals, but
you haven't been willing to take chances to achieve them
with something.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Like yes, that effect and that's the crux of it.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
That's the crux of it. And so.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You know, the thing is this, if we play it
safe in life, and I think they mentioned the word
play it's safe. I think something like Q says to him, like, yeah,
you could play it safe, and right, so the word
is the words would play it safe.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He even said and went on this big long monologue
about that that Picard, that John Luke Picard uh never
led the away mission on whatever, never took charge of
the stargames when his captain died, Bobble, he learned to
play it safe and he never got noticed by anyone.
(26:30):
And I'm like, oh, that is a bigger stab in
the heart than the Notskins game, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah. Speaking of that, I love the way they smile.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
The smile was incorporated the moment when he smiles when
he gets stabbed. It's such a beautiful, poetic justice type
moment where it's just chef's kiss of a moment there.
But yeah, when he says to him, you know, you
never took chances. The other did this, the other car
did that. And what it really boils down to is,
(27:04):
in life in general, for everybody out there, you cannot walk.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Around in a zero risk situation.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
If you do, you're gonna bubble wrap yourself in your
place and you won't. You won't live life, you won't explore,
you won't. I mean, there's a risk when you drive
a car. There's risk when you go running on a
trail or hiking. I mean, there's there's a risk when
you go on an airplane. There's a risk when anything
almost any even I mean eating.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I was just gonna say, even eating is a risk.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, people you know, choke to death and die while
they're eating. You know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So it's not impossible taking a shower. People have slipped
and fell in the shower, and you know, so if
you're going to try to find a zero risk way
of living life, it's almost impossible. You have to take
on risk in life. You have to, you know, face
those years and those challenges and what you do in
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those moments. It's not that you don't feel it, it's
that you overcome the.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Feeling and say you know what, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I'm going to whatever it is, and you take on
whatever that thing is, I mean, ride a skateboard, mountain bike,
you know, whatever your thing is to do, you have
to be able to overcome your fear, I mean swimming anything.
You know, nobody knows how to swim until they learn
(28:30):
how to swim, right, and so you have to face
your face that and take a risk. So I just
feel like this episode was excellently written for.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Me at a highlighted why.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I love Ronald Morris writing because I just it's the
dialogue is scrumptious. It's very good to watch him architect
back and forth between his characters. You mentioned Riker in
that scene, Riker had a look on his face like,
first of all, I don't even your name is, like.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yes, mister Picard, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, right, and then he looks at him like like,
but you know, you're you're taking up too much time
for me, right, you know, I don't want to be
bothered with you. And it really did look like a
subordinate type of you know, situation. But once again, you know,
I I did like the episode the not the Narcissist.
(29:34):
We have to get to that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh yeah, we'll get Oh you mean the guys that
go human love. I got that action figure too, and
it comes with the act I should have gotten that,
I bet you.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I think I see you say that before.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I yeah that yeah, yeah, and he's got it comes
with the long knife too.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I should It's funny because the whole time I've heard
you say that, I thought that was for Reggie.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Uh nation.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh interesting. Although the Frankie do work with noaskins sometimes,
if you'll remember in Deep Space nine, you know, like
Quarkole say, you know, be careful, I know some very
big nasikens or something like that. But look, we're gonna
take a break and I'm gonna talk about all the
things I hate about this episode.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah there are any We'll be.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right back on the Seventh Rule. Hey, everybody, Welcome back
to the Seventh Rule with Sarah Loften.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Here are the trivioids of the week. This is funny
because I love this episode, Yet there weren't a ton
of impressive trivioids for this one. It's just a good story.
The Linarians attacked and away team outside the conference room.
John Luke Picard was a young was young, cocky with
far too much ego and not enough wisdom in his youth.
Sean lu Picard went to starbas Earhart right after graduation.
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Corlenad discovered that Picard had already made a second date
with Penny Muroc is something you say to old ladies.
Dom Jo is just a little trigonometry and some minor
earist action. It's kind of like basketball. Captain Narth is
an excellent officer. All right, how did you feel about
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Picard getting slapped by one lady and then a drink?
I did not understand why that lady threw the drink
in his face. To be honest, like he called her
a handsome lady, and she's like, that's what you say
to old people, or that's what you say to old ladies.
And he says you're not Oh, you're not old, and
she goes, I don't splash, I don't need your pity.
What was he supposed to say? He said you're not old,
(31:48):
especially because he meant it, because he's like, I'm like
old enough to be your dad, you know, Like he's like,
you're not old. Believe me.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, he said I'm old is what he should have said.
Uh no, I I didn't mind.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Excuse me, I didn't mind that so much.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I thought the reason you asked me the reason why
she slapped them, I thought it was because she says
it in the beginning of that scene, she's like, Hey,
what happened to the guy from last night that was
all over me and you know, flirting in Yeah, And
so to me, it's like, if you come with a
certain level expectation, like, hey, I expect this guy's going
to you know, be romanzing me, like we already trying.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
To hump in a public place.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Though, Like she she's like, we already made it to
third base and now you're back at the batters, your
back trying to swing again.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
She's like, what's going on? Going backward?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So she got a little bit upset because she wasn't
being given the kind of attention and flaunting over it
that she wanted. So, Yeah, I didn't mind that. I
didn't understand the original slap.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, I think, but they explained that that said that
that she slapped him because she found out that he
had a date right after her date. I don't really
know if that warrants a slap. She could just be like, oh,
you know what, then I don't want to date you,
but whatever it was, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
We haven't regrets as a society when it comes to relationship.
But I again that that kind of I found it
a little bit weird. And I'm gonna tell you why.
People I know usually have the same characteristics over the years,
(33:37):
even if they mature, Even if they there's still a
base element of what that person is like.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So if you're like.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
A wild kid growing up, party, heavy drinker, party here,
when you become an adult, you're not like going to
bed eight o'clock, you still have a little that party
guy is in you somewhere, and it could be activated.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Even if you try to, you know, put it away,
it could be activated.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I see no signs of the you know, the flirt
that the card was supposedly during those days where he
was out here double dates and girls slapping him because
they because he changed till I grew up.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, that's what he's He grew up, and now he's
looking back and saying, and that's that's I feel like
that's kind of his part of his lesson is that
he's looking back and going, you know, I was I
was a womanizer, I was a flirt. I helped my
friend cheated games, and you know that's not right, that's
you know, and he's trying to be respectful and he's
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trying to be nice, and he's trying not to hump
women in a bar and all this kind of stuff
because now he's grown up, and now he looks back
and frowns upon those things that he did thirty years ago.
But then that's part of the lesson, and that like
doing those things the guy that he is now, he
needed to do that to become a great captain. Everybody
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at home, you will not be a great captain unless
you do those.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Things, unless you get in a fight with three guys
who could beat you up and.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Pissed people off, get drinks thrown in your face.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, this is the funny thing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
He gets the second opportunity, he's like, you know what,
I'm going to go back, not going to be the
guy was before. It was just a womanizer and uh,
you know getting into bar fights, right.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
He's been in a bar fight. You ever been in
a bar fight? Ask Chuck he been in a bar fight?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Who said that, Hey, hey, Shack, don't say none, Shack.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It was it was Kevin Garnett who was saying it. Though,
if I remember correctly. But yeah, but to them, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So no, I'm gonna say though that then he hooks
up with the girl.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
What do you mean, Like he's like, this is the
mature guy, right, this is the wisdom.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Version of him.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But he hooked.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And for that night.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, that's that's where it was like, Okay, but Guard
only gets uh, he only hooks up on an away mission,
whether it's the afterlife or that's true, right, I mean
have we seen him hook up not like on the
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on the ship somewhere.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I think every time it's been because that's his thing.
He's like, I'm not gonna hump on duty. I'm only
gonna hump off duty because that's what a captain does.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's that's the sign of the leader.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But here are a couple of things that made me laugh.
When Q was talking to Picard towards the beginning of
his you know, going back in the past, Q says, hey,
you know how you doing? You seem unimpaled so far.
Funny line. That's a good line. Obviously, when Q comes
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in with the flowers completely cock blocks him. You know,
when like Picard and Marta were kind of getting a
little close and then suddenly Q comes in with the flowers.
He goes, is there a gene Luck? Pickard John look,
and then he totally cock blocked him.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
There.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That was terrible. So there are a lot of lines
that did make me laugh. Uh yeah, oh yeah there
were there. That's the line you were talking about. He
learned to play it safe and he never ever got
noticed by anyone. Okay, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
What about I liked when, uh, when when he called
Penny Hansom at the bar and then Q pops in
and he's like, Penny for your thoughts, Yes, because.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Like they wrote that name specifically for that. So what
about the other actors? What about Marta and was his name? Corey?
Did you like them? I mean they were cool, they
were fine, right.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, yes, I thought they were good. I thought Martha
was good. Yeah, I thought they were both good. Cory,
you played just enough of a.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Do you like that you and Picard had the same
girlfriend name, yes, Marta? Yes, I mean her she was
Marta and yours was Marda.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
But we pronounced it was Mark.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeh. I was like, hey, Pecard's first girl's part too.
We got something in common.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. Marta Batts the nineties or something
like that sounds maybe Greek, although I will here's a
nitpick for you.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Oh, let me ask you this. Oh okay, give me
the nipick and I have a question.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, nitpick. I need my nitpick tie. I used to
I used to have it right there, we're right there.
Uh so the nitpick tie is Pecard gets slapped.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Q says what's going on? And he's like, oh, well,
it's because she just found out that I have a
date blah blah blah blah. And he says, what time
is it? And he says it's sixteen, you know, sixteen
eleven something like that, right, four eleven, And Piccard says, oh,
in fact, I believe Penny is waiting for me right now.
(40:04):
I don't know about you. Yeah, but I don't remember
things to the minute thirty years later, at least I
won't once I reached thirty years, I should say. But like,
I would be surprised if he even remembered the names
(40:25):
of these one or two date people thirty years later.
I mean, you can remember maybe a name if they
left an impression on you or a hand print on
your face, But like to the time. Oh, oh, four
to eleven? No, I better, y, I remember specifically this
was Tuesday, October eighteenth. Oh, it is October eighteenth, October eighteenth,
(40:50):
Tuesday at four to eleven pm, you know. Anyway, so
that was a weird thing. I'm like, come on, he
doesn't remember the exact time he was meeting weather. Anyway,
That's what I got there.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, I agree with that. I thought the same thing too.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I thought, how did this guy know that to the day,
what his schedule was. I barely remember what I did
last week. I have to look at my calendar. I'm
not going to be able to just off the top
of my head say, oh, yeah, twenty seven I was
eating a fat burger Samon Synth and like, there's no
way you know that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So anyways, that's how I had the same kind of realization.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But ice qba fat burger till like two in the morning.
If I remember correctly, that was a good day.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
It was a good day. But no, I thought this.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
For one, I loved when the Nausikins were coming out
no grumba. I thought that was hilarious, and also loved
it when he said maybe you need a bigger stick.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
But I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That had me rolling. I was laughing, and then.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Well, I also noticed that the nasicns had hair just
like Dennis mad Alone, so I just wanted to shout
out of Dennis madd Alone.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
In fact, oh, there are also some people in the bar,
and one of the guys in the bar I had
to look twice to make sure it wasn't Dennis matt Alone,
you know, because he kind of had like the shaggy hair,
and I was like, is that Dennis? But then we
got a better shot at him and it wasn't. But
there are actually some really interesting aliens in there. I
took a couple quick pictures. Let me see if I can. Okay,
(42:36):
one was and we might have to ask the free
for all. But this one I remember this guy like
as a guy that kind of was was did like
put his hands on someone or like sucked. He was
like a telepathic guy. Remember in one of the TG episodes,
this was like a telepathic character and I can't remember
(43:00):
kay who it was. Then there was this guy that
kind of looked like a tweet leg from Star Wars.
I don't remember anyway.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Wow, Yeah, I didn't see all of those, but that
was my question for you Boom. He just reminded me
the question was or is did did they filmed that
bar Dom John scene at Quarks Bar?
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Because I interesting, I felt.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Like they just redressed Quarks Bar. And I could be wrong,
but I've spent a lot of time in Quarks so.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
The bar It's compossible, especially with all those extra aliens
that we got accustomed to see and Quarks War. There
was also an antikin. Remember the guys that kind of
looked like dogs dog people, There was an antikin in there. Yeah,
I wonder because they.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
They were stressed Wars Bar.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
They were Space nine at the time.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And if they're not using that said, uh, I don't
know if they borrowed sets like that from each I
think we did. We borrowed we used the caves together.
I'm sure we both used the case at the same time.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
But I was.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Looking around the back and I felt like that was
Quark's Bar based on I thought I saw the staircase
that goes upstairs in the back. The ceiling from the
low shots looking up felt like they were.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
The Quarks ceiling.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
So I wasn't one hundred percent sure, but I was like,
is that quirks that they just kind of redressed for
this episode. I mean, we weren't doing DS nine at
this time, so it is possible.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
It's possible. That is an interesting thought. I hadn't considered that. Also.
I thought that did we see Jeordie at all in
this episode? I don't remember if we actually saw him
or if he just for that week had that one
(45:01):
line of saying, hey, you know the fortunate to Picard,
Hey Picard, I'm still waiting on that spectral analysis, right, yeah,
And that is another example of a guy, unless I'm mistaken,
we might not have even seen him in this episode.
If so, it's like at the very beginning, you know,
(45:23):
on the bridge maybe, but he came in basically to
do a line and a half, and I thought he
delivered that line really well, like I'm still waiting on
that spectral analysis, like with a little bit of annoyance
but trying to be cool with your subordinate, but like, yeah,
kind of you know, he's kind of like you could
tell he's kind of tired of him, like I always
(45:44):
have to tell you this man, Like I'm still waiting
on that. And I was like, whoa, this is another
case where these professional freaking actors. They show up for
one day or half a day or a v VO
moment and it was great. I was like, Wow, that's
(46:06):
I shouldn't be surprised by that, but it really stands
out to me because we've seen it a ton of
times in the past where maybe it's not a lead,
but it's one of the characters. They're going, you know,
they're they're calling in on the viewscreen and they don't.
They're just going like, I'm sending you my coordinates. Now
you should be and you're just like, you know, somebody
(46:27):
give this guy something to work with here, because this
guy is giving me nothing.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
It happens all the time, it does, but Riker and
Troy and Jordie and the others never do that. They
just don't phone it in, And I think they should
be commended for it personally.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, you mentioned Riker and Troy scene. They I thought
they were fantastic in their moments here to I actually
saw warf at a very under recognized line because it Yeah,
when he gives him his title, the way he enunciates
(47:09):
that title is fantastic. I had to rewind it just
because I love the way he said he put a
period after Lieutenant junior grade and he paused right, and
it was just perfectly delivered.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I thought for more and that that's what really hit
hard the most for this particular episode are those moments
back on the bridge, those moments, I mean Picard. Patrick
Stewart's acting was beautiful throughout because you could feel what
he's feeling. But it's it's that we know who he's
supposed to be, and that's why those lines are really biting.
(47:50):
When he says, mister Piccard, can I help you? Mister Picard,
he's just like what you need? And then Lieutenant junior
grade and then when Jordi hits him with the little thing,
and then Riker and Troy are just beating him down,
like oh man, that is.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Oh and the way Riker says uh uh put yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
He's like looking for a compliment.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
He surety doesn't think he's punctual.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Exactly, but it's like that moment when you're like fishing
for any.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Like what can they say good without like tearing this
guy down?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
You're you know, you smell nice. It's time for the
home run of today's episode. Siah who gets the home
run of today's episode?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, I want to say that, first of all, les
landaut kudos to you Less directing this episode.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
You know, I always give you a hard time for our.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Self sealings them this moment, but you know you've you've
really proven yourself time and time again and being the
excellent director. And I thought this was a good directing
from you as well. So you're out there listening, Less,
I'm giving a shout out.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
But the home run goes to ron Ronald.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
The more like I said, I wrote down in my notes,
greatest of all time, and that's how I feel like
he's the greatest writer.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Uh disfranchised.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
No knock anybody else, because a lot of these ves
amongst the starters of the great writers, you know, the
rod Serlings of the world.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
But yes, I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Ronald moore Man, his language, his grasp of that of
conflict and.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Drama, it's just beautifully it's yes. So he's just a
beautiful story teller.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I like and I love this episode all right.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
By the way, Lesland, I agree with you there. Whenever
you need a little more, less is more. That's our guy.
And I had a feeling you would say Ronald de Moore. Oh,
that's that also worked. But I'm going to lean into
Patrick Stuart because Patrick Stewart just had a terrific performance
(50:26):
and it's a memorable performance. It's an excellent script, beautifully acted,
well executed by the director. High grades all around. But
my home other day will barely go to Patrick Stewart,
edging out the others. All right, here are some other
(50:48):
edge lords. Their names are doctor Anne, Marie Siegel, Eve
England out in Wales. You've got Blackman Tom TJ. Jackson
Bay out in Missouri, Titas Smuller, doctor Mohammed Nora, and you'll, oh,
I haven't seen him in a while, Joe Balsarati, Mike Goo,
doctor Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent, Faith Howell, the Matt Boardman,
(51:09):
Chris McGee, Jake Barrett, Henry Unger, Allison Leech Hide, Julie
Menas Feed, Jed Thompson, doctor Susan V. Gruner, Glenn Iverson,
Dave Gregory, Chris Sternitt, Greg kay Wickstrom and Cassandra g.
Chuck A, Chris Garris, and of course the guy who
(51:29):
said it's his favorite episode of TNG ever, Jason m Okin.
All Right, everybody time, for the Free for All. We
will be right back. Let's see what other people thought
of this one on the seventh Rule. Well, hi there, everybody,
welcome back to the seventh Rule with Sarak lofton. This
is the Free for All with Melissa A. Lungo Hi
(51:54):
and faith howel cool shirt? Uh, Chuck A is the
TNG fanatic. Hello, everybody's got cool shirts? Actually, Doctor Susan V.
Gruner is hanging out with us as we oh, seventh
dule shirt. Chris Garris has his to the Journey shirt. Hello,
(52:14):
t J Jackson, bays and stripes on the bridge of
the Enterprise. D Carrie Schwent has her Abyssinian ki Oscar
Cisco kid shirt and tiny cute Chris McGee, Oh, that's
an accurate shirt Starfleet Academy perfect. And the MATV boardman
has the laughing picard behind him. Beautiful stuff. All right,
(52:39):
this is it. This is the big one. Jake Cisco
guesses the IMDb score.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
I'm gonna say it's eight point.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Seven eight, eight point seven. Okay, interesting guests, does anybody
else have any guesses that doesn't already know?
Speaker 6 (53:07):
Let's say eight point nine.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Eight? Wow, everybody's really super tight and close here.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
If it's below that, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
The actual answer, everybody, that sound you just heard was
not a nosekein. It was our buzzer that says somebody
got it right on the money, and it was Sorock
Loften eight seven am I right? Melissa? Oh, you're looking
(53:45):
at me like maybe I needed recheck.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
I thought it was eight point eight?
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Did it just go up today?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Just went up refresh?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, that'd be funny.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
It is an eight point eight.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Oh yeah, actually no, I did have it as an
eight point eight. I'm so sorry. So you had the
eight point nine. You guys were on Garris excellent? All right,
that's okay, still very very very good. Non appearance mentioned.
We had doctor Salar right at the top of the episode, right,
(54:20):
that was awesome. Yes, did we have.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Any other and she became a French rapper after this.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Slar.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
What about Amelia Earhart?
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yes, because we saw her in Voyager, right, we did
see her brilliant.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
When did they mentioned Amelia Harehart? I missed that.
Speaker 9 (54:46):
The star Bak Star based Airhart is where they were.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Oh okay, wow, the Ajax too. They mentioned Ajax, which
I used to clean my sting sometime.
Speaker 10 (55:00):
They actually mentioned another episode that didn't even exist yet,
Mortal Coil, which was in Voyager.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, yep, that's pretty coil.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
I never I recognized it.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
It's a good that's a good one. Now, did we
have any some kinds of or some sorts of today,
you guys.
Speaker 11 (55:27):
Indeed, when Corey realized that he had been tricked, said,
I'll bet you that he had some sort of magnetic
device in his belt.
Speaker 12 (55:35):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
That's his pickup line too. Actually, I think I think
I'm not sure matic magnetic advice.
Speaker 11 (55:44):
You you're just happy to see me.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Just wait till you see my magnetic cave up the device.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Well we'll cut around all that so well, we probably
won't though. All right, Allissa, will you please get a
start off on the right track clean this place up
by telling us what you thought of this episode.
Speaker 8 (56:10):
Yeah, I don't know how clean I can make it. Yeah,
I I have mixed thoughts about this episode. It's so
you know, it's not gonna be.
Speaker 13 (56:28):
All roses and rainbows and butterflies for me, unfortunately. But
I will tell you what I did like. I really
liked well one. I love Ronald Y Moore. I think
he's fantastic. I love his work as a whole. I
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love the guy.
Speaker 8 (56:52):
I also think Patrick Stewart is pretty fantastic. He wins
me over all the time. I think his his the
way he delivers lines, the way he performs is fantastic.
I I do understand why this is so many people's
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favorite episode or they like it so much, is because
it's very relatable in fact, where we're often questioning ourselves
as human beings and the choices that we've made in
our lives and and and owning those choices, and we
don't often own those choices, even the wrong choices, even
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the bad choices, we kind of brush under the try
to brush under the rug.
Speaker 14 (57:43):
And but but all of our messiness, all of our
are the non beautiful parts of us, are part of us,
and they they're what that's what makes us who we are.
Speaker 8 (57:56):
And and trying to hide that from from that that
and our messy, bumpy parts, it is not realistic and
and it's it's not fun. It's not fun. I will
say that I did have some issues with this episode,
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most of which I will leave with uh for things
left unsaid. But the biggest issue that I had was
that whether Picard chose to walk away in that moment
from the NSSICUNS or not. I don't think Picard, knowing
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his personality, would ever end up in a mediocre life
that that doesn't seem realistic to me. So and I
will tell you why I think this in Things Left
Unsaid and and some other things that that that didn't
sit well with me for this episode.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Wow, good stuff. Thank you very much, Melissa Longo. This
is going to be a brawl today. I can see it.
I can feel it swing away.
Speaker 15 (59:15):
You know, I have to go the other way. I
think this is a fabulous episode. I think that I
connect really strongly with that concept of you know, we
are where we are for a reason, that we every
choice that we've made along the way has led us
to where we are. And just to share a little bit,
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I applied for some things way back in March, didn't
think I was going to get and was selected not
only to be part of a committee, but somehow Frodo
got selected to take the ring and lead the committee
this week. I've told a couple of you guys in private,
so you know, I, as I was watching this episode,
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I was thinking heavily about that experience and how you
know I am positioned where I am professionally and with
my children and everything, and you know you guys. Meeting
with you guys every week has given me that extra
spark of confidence that I feel like I can be
a part of a panel and just every little piece
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of the puzzle comes together sometimes to encourage you to
get out of that comfort zone and to take a
risk and to be great and do good in the
world or you know, the galaxy as it may be.
And so I really have connected tightly with this episode
this week, and I thank you guys, and I thanks
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Star Trek for always being that you know, little companion
and thought partner and encouragement as we go through life.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So I have.
Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
A few more things, but I'll save them for things
left unsaid.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Beautiful. Thank you very much, Faith, Melisa, I hope you
feel bad now. Other next is Chuck A. He's the
TNNG fanatics, so I'm guessing he likes this one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (01:01:13):
Such a good episode.
Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
Uh, I liked.
Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (01:01:17):
There's only like one nitpick I have, but everything the
episode itself was really very good. I'll show my John
luck Pickard figure. That was my favorite line in an
episode and then you got the Lieutenant JG. The card
from the I guess you called it an alternate reality.
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The best scenes that I liked in the episode where
all the scenes with the Narsi cans that makeup was
just so fantastic.
Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
The I like they used the.
Speaker 12 (01:01:54):
Word human, like what Quark does in DS nine human.
I did read on Wikipedia that the actress actor actress
that played Marta J. C. Brandy, and I didn't know
that she was only seventeen years old when they filmed
this episode, and they tried to make.
Speaker 9 (01:02:16):
Her look older.
Speaker 12 (01:02:19):
They were, you know the controversial scene there with Picard there,
and you know the love scene that wasn't shown obviously,
but she was only seventeen. The I thought John Delancey,
I thought this was his best Q episode of.
Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Any of them.
Speaker 12 (01:02:38):
The one that the episode of the seventh season, I
won't spoil it. He was also very good, but I
thought this was his best episode, and he was so compassionate,
especially towards the end of the episode for Picard, he
in left. Picard said to Riker at the end that
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heos QA a bunch of gratitude. Uh really loved this episode.
One of my favorite episodes of TNG.
Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Absolutely, Thank you very much, Chuck A great stuff. As always.
Speaking of great stuff, Doctor Susan V. Gruner is here.
What's up, doctor Sue. It's been a while. What do
you think of this episode? Do you love it?
Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Actually? I do love it. Despite the cues in it,
I still liked it I thought so far. I agree
with everything that everybody else has said. I think I
think the ce character was perfect for this episode and
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any episode, or anytime you think about the fabric of
your life or what you could have done or something
like that at the what ifs. I like an episode
that is a what if episode. Anybody who says that
they don't think about what if is lying. Maybe the
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older you get, the more you think of stuff like that.
Speaker 17 (01:04:16):
But I have no nitpicks at all.
Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
I lie I have one.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
That blood stain.
Speaker 17 (01:04:24):
I don't get the blood stain on his uniform in
the beginning, But otherwise it was a phaser. Maybe yeah,
it was kind of weird, but it didn't look burn.
But I enjoyed this episode every time I see it,
and I've seen it.
Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Many many times, and it's so good.
Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
A good episode. And you take Lieutenant junior grade. Picard
gallivanting around Greece. You put him in a toga and
got him a passport. I got those, Thank you very much,
doctor Susan. By the way, thanks very much, doctor Susan V. Gruner.
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Allison leech High looks like she's in like Vegas or something.
What do you think of this one?
Speaker 16 (01:05:07):
I always like this episode. Hopefully you can hear me.
I have no idea how my internet is so woo
and I like it because it is the We all
have things we've done as younger people that were like
that was not me on my best day. But we
we need to not have our best days so we
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know what to strive for for our best days. I
do agree with Melissa that I think one well changing
of one of your not best days probably wouldn't completely
change the course of your life. But I don't think.
I think this was like a little pocket universe that
Q puts.
Speaker 9 (01:05:50):
Uh oh, you just sent her to a pocket universe. Y, yeah,
we just lost you.
Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
We just lost you after pocket universe. But go ahead,
we can we can hear you now, Okay.
Speaker 18 (01:06:06):
I think you put Picard in a pocket universe so
he could experience like the effect of okay, you can
change one thing. How bad would it be just to
give Pacard that like nudgelake. You know, you have actually
built yourself a great life, even though when you were
young you might have been a little bit terrible, starting ballfight,
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bar fights and you know, cheating at dumb job.
Speaker 16 (01:06:35):
So you know, I do enjoy that. And I love
the scene where you know, pa cards in bed and.
Speaker 19 (01:06:41):
The stroking of the year and the fast full up
Like no, I'm like, I do enjoy this episode, and yeah,
never skip it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Great stuff, Thank you very much, Alison Leech Hide in
the Heart of Las Vegas. Maybe yeah, Okay, Chris Garris
is here, Chris, what's up? What did you think of
this episode?
Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (01:07:08):
This is a great episode. It is I mean, basically
echoing what everybody said. But this is episode is just
basically the second chances and you know, and Sue's right,
every one of us if it's guaranteed, has that man
if I could just redo that, you know. But I
also liked how Picard you know, of course, Q being Q,
he was like, don't mess up the timeline, Q, and
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he actually you know, said, okay, I won't mess up
at everybody, but just take care of you, because yeah,
there are thoughts, like you know, there have been, you know,
things I've thought about kind of like faith in my
own personal life, like you know, man, if I had
left or done this or that, you know, it wouldn't
have been the same. And you know, Picard gets that
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opportunity to see what his life might have been like
if he did not get stabbed in the heart, you know,
and I like, you know, I do love the banter
between him and Q. Is you know, this one's actually
good banter for a time, for a change, because you know,
he's actually like again the whole you know bed scene
that he's like, come on, dude, and you know, the
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name calling and.
Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
It's just it is it.
Speaker 10 (01:08:18):
It's it's kind of a dream to be like, man,
what if I could just redo that made that change
in my life and see how it goes and then
be like Nope, don't want to do that.
Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
But you know, unfortunately we don't have the power of
Q to do that for us.
Speaker 10 (01:08:31):
But yeah, I truly only real nitpicks I have are
with Doctor Crusher, and I will talk about those and
things left unseat.
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Ooh, that's a good one. We didn't talk about her. Uh,
but I did too have a few thoughts on that,
but we didn't discuss it. Good stuff, Thanks very much,
Chris Garrison, Southeast Texas.
Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
T J.
Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Jackson bays on the bridge of the Enterprise D otherwise
known as Missouri. What do you think of this one?
Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Oh?
Speaker 20 (01:09:01):
I've been looking forward to this one because I knieve
that it was one that you liked.
Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Ryan.
Speaker 20 (01:09:08):
We hinted at it for years and so it's a
pleasure that it's here now.
Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
I enjoyed watching it again.
Speaker 20 (01:09:15):
I don't know why so many people are mad at
Beverly that have looked forward to finding out why. Speaking
of Beverly, I thought it was funny that the card
storms into the sick Bay calling Beverly Beverly, and he
doesn't even know if Beverly is on the ship or
if he knows her, Like I mean, Jack Crusher might
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still be alive and she may never have come on
the Enterprise, but who knows, and we don't find that out,
but he gets another c scene out of that interaction.
And speaking of Q, I really enjoyed Q in this episode,
and you know, I find that, you know, when I
watched this episode years and years ago, I thought that
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Q was just being roguish like always. But now when
I watched it earlier today, I found myself thinking that
maybe the role that Q is playing is a role
that I would play, because I do find myself, you know,
asking people those kind of you know, questions about you know,
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do you really think you know that you want to
change the past or or really not accept who you are,
and that all the pieces and all the things that
happen in all the events, maybe the things that we.
Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Call bad weren't.
Speaker 20 (01:10:37):
And you know, more so more and more I find
myself thinking like Q, which is interesting and weird in
a new revelation for me. But I also appreciated the
interactions they had. One thing I will say is the
speech that Q gives the card and blue uniform when
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he's telling them, you know, hey, you know this guy
never amounted to anything. That speech lived with me, even
though you know, it was something that I mean, I
didn't have it to replay over and over it came
on TV, but that speech stuck with me, especially when
he said and he never ever got noticed by anyone.
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And I thought that John Delancey's delivery was a one,
you know, for that line to stick with me for
as long as it had. I've never forgotten that line,
you know, exact word for word, and.
Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
I think it impacted my life.
Speaker 20 (01:11:41):
I think I have to be grateful for the way
that Delancey delivered it. So I really appreciated that scene.
I also appreciate that by the end of the episode,
Malissa said it to Picard has ownly the choices that
he made. Not only that, he's accepting and grateful for it,
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and he's you know, he's not looking back at it
with regret anymore the way he was before. And so
you know, he's accepting that. You know, maybe all the
things that he think is right, in all the judgments
that he had on his past actions, maybe he can
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kind of let that go a little bit and stay Yes,
sometimes I have to push a little harder. Sometimes I
have to take that risk, and that's the right thing
to do because it's what moves us forward, or you know,
on an individual level or as captain of the ship.
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You know, he has to make that extra push or
take that extra risk. And we've seen that illustrated in
many episodes over time, not just with TNG, but we've
seen it in strange to the worlds and other things
that say, you know, maybe take him the safe what
we call the safecore or the good road or the
higher road might not always lead to the best results.
(01:13:06):
Weird thought, but there it is. The last thing I'll
say is when Perkar walked into ten forward, even though
I've seen this episode many times, I still fully expect
to see.
Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Guid in there and for that to be the person that.
Speaker 20 (01:13:24):
He's going to see, maybe even who he was hoping
to find there. Since there's some timy winy stuff going
on and we already know that, you know, she knows
when stuff is out of place in time, I really
would have liked to have seen him interact with her,
especially with Q being involved and you know that relationship.
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I kind of wonder what kind of episode it would
have been. A Gandon was there.
Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
That's what I have, man, that's great stuff. Though it's
a good point about guy. It would have been cool
to see how she would have reacted in this episode.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
T J.
Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Jackson, Bayot Misra Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear. That's an
interesting background. What did you think of this episode? First
time viewer.
Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
In it many times before, had never really paid too
much of attention, honestly to the the the conversation that
he has that Picard has with with Riker at the end.
But I'll circle back to that in a minute, of course.
It's cue I Love.
Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
You so so much.
Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
I think this is aside from the season two two
finale of season two of Picard, this is probably, I
think my favorite Q and Picard episode. The image behind
Melissa is hands down my favorite interaction of the two
of them across the entire series. It is just laugh
out love finding the way quispers morning Darling, get get three.
Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
He's adorable.
Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
Something something I noticed in the the the bar area
that has the dom Jot table and the Doncouch table
looked really cool. Seemed like a a combination of bumper
pool and a pinball table. Almost it could be fun,
could be fun to play. But if you notice in
the background there is both an Antikin and a Sally
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from Lonely Lonely among us. Dude, gotta keep, gotta keep,
We're using we're using those costumes, especially the lizard dude.
I always thought the Lizard dude looked cool, and I
found out the act the actor who plays the younger
Jean Luke when they do that recreation of it in
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the in the in the White Room. It's played by
an actor named Marcus Nash, whose sister, Jennifer Nash, played
Picard's daughter in the interal in the Inner Life, the
Scientist daughter. Apparently she she got her brother the audition
for that, and I kind of wish they'd have used
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the younger pick Card a little bit more in like
the like the stuff in the past, probably would have
made the interactions with with marda a little bit more,
a little bit more comfortable. But I yeah, I still
very very much, very much enjoy enjoy the the episode.
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To circle back to what I was what I mentioned before,
it's definitely a what what if kind of kind of episode.
You could almost you could call it either maybe it's
a wonderful trek or it's a wonderful que either other
one I think would have worked. Although I liked that
it's called Tapestry because it doesn't give away that Q
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is in is in the episode, and that revealed at
the beginning when he Card takes the hand of this
dude and white robes and suddenly you see it's cute
and he's like, yeah, You're dead and I'm God and
he's grinning, just absolutely just kills it in that same
pardon the one there, But it definitely got me thinking
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and listening to the card and record at the end
talk talk about, you know, pulling it a tapestry thoat
And by the way, my background is a collash of
various tapestries I found on a just a random Google search.
I couldn't resist having a tapestry of tapestries. But yeah,
the him saying that just definitely hit me different this time,
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and all I could think about was going back to
when I was in high school and telling telling my aunt,
who's trying to set me up with it with a guy,
a guy she knows at work. No thanks, I'm good.
If I had said no, I probably wou would not
be sitting here talking to you guys, being in deep
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into trek as I've gotten in the in the last
two years. So as much as I would like to
go back and tell my aunt, I love you, but
I'm I'm good, it probably a good thing I did say,
did say yes, But it also got me all philosophical
and IM not sure if it counts as metaphysical tjail
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I'll have to tell me, tell me if if that's
how I'm being or not. But that conversation sort of
inspired the the limericks, so it's a little little deeper
of a limericks than.
Speaker 9 (01:18:36):
Usual, But.
Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Here we do.
Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
The tapestry of one's life contains threads. Some come from events,
some from dear friends. Each one should be treasured, even
those that are that are weathered, all are required in
the end.
Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Great stuff. Thank you very much, Carrie schwent with the
tapestry of tapestries. Chris McGee is the dark lord of
dark lords. What'd you think of this one?
Speaker 11 (01:19:10):
Well, first of all, Sirok, your wish was granted. You
wanted an episode with Q that didn't have Q in
the title, and they heard congratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:19:21):
Seriously, though, this is an incredible episode and one of
my absolute favorites and so relatable for all the reasons
others have already mentioned, so I don't need to repeat them.
This DV episode, as you know DVS from the Q
norm body as mentioned, not having Q in the title
that Carrie observed, nor having him show up at the
end to gloat or whatever, and because of that does
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make one wonder as Picard wondered at the end if
what happened in this episode was real or imagined, or
maybe even some combination. Most of all, I love how
a short conversation during the second season episode Samaritan Snare
was expanded upon to become an entire episode, and an
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excellent one at that. So now we finally get to
see the naus Cans and the fight that led to
his artificial heart, which he told in his story to
Wesley on the shuttlecraft in Samaritan Snare. Nice incidentally knowing
this episode was coming up. I finally watched NAUSICAA of
the Valley of the Wind recently and was deeply moved
by it. I cannot recommend it enough. Now I have
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to see more of Miyazaki's films. Another thing I love
about this episode is the premise of someone from the
future traveling to the past to change it for the better,
and no one sees that person for who they really are.
You all know where I'm going with this, don't you?
Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (01:20:44):
So practically screams Quantum Le to me, another of my
favorite shows that was airing at the same time as
the Next Generation and sadly ended its run just a
few months after this episode Ared, Lieutenant Jay can be
seen briefly on the bridge when the Card returns to
the present, just over cards left shoulder. And Carrie mentioned
an antikin in the dom Jot scene. Well, Tracy also
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played the antikin to Corey's right in that scene.
Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I wondered about that because the movements and the height
seemed to fit her, and I know she'd played an
antakin before. Good catch, Chris. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:21:19):
And lastly, the cards laughed when he sees the blade
sticking through his chest was originally in Samaritan Stay are
described as a giddy warmth when he told that story
to Wesley. Well, now we know it was because he
was happy that his timeline was restored. At least that's
what I took away from it. There are so many
memorable quotes in this episode. The one I've chosen Isques saying,
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that's a beautiful story. Get you right here, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Yeah, that's funny, Thank you very much, dark lord with
the dark humor. Chris McGee. All right, the mad boardman,
the guy you hear heard say, oh boy when Chris
McGee was alluding to quantumly, what do you think of
this one?
Speaker 9 (01:22:01):
D Maatt, Well, this is obviously a fan favorite, and
I'm one of the fans that happens to like it, so,
you know, it's interesting. And I've said in the past
there's certain episodes that hit you different ways depending on
where you're at in life, you know, kind of sometimes
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it's right here, right. But I just think it's interesting
that maybe one of the hallmarks of a successful Star
Trek episode is that it makes you think, and it
makes you reflect on your own life and where you're
at in life. And I think, you know it's that
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I love this one because as I've listened to all
of you, it's it's made every one of you reflect
back on your lives and the choices that you've made
that have led you here.
Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
Right.
Speaker 9 (01:22:53):
I had the fortune or misfortune of finding one of
my journals from high school, and as I'm reading through this,
I legit was having secondhand embarrassment for myself or some
of the things that I was reading in there, you know,
and it's like, oh, did I really Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Show was show.
Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
Actually a Star Trek journal too, shockingly right, But you know,
it reminds me of the scene in Star Trek five
when Cyback is reviewing moments in Spock and McCoy's life,
and he's, you know, let me take your pain from you,
and then he gets to Kirk, and Kirk says, I
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don't want you to take my pain. I need my pain.
Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
You know.
Speaker 9 (01:23:41):
And that is something watching that movie as a teenager
that that struck me very as very poignant, because you know, yeah,
we would love to not experience embarrassing moments. We would
love to not have, you know, made certain choices that,
in high in sight, we could have done differently. But
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all of those things make us who we are today,
and as Melissa said, we should embrace those things and
not be ashamed of those things that make us who
we are. Because you know, as I look around at
all of you here, I'm grateful for the choices that
you made, because I have a deep love and appreciation
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for all of you, and I'm grateful for the choices
that you have all made that have led you here
to this moment in time that we all get to
share together. And so I think, if anything, you know,
maybe the Picard that that life that Picard experienced of
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this lesser man, I have to agree with Melissa. Yes,
I do not think that Picard would have been that man,
but maybe Q did it as a real for a
reason to show him that you're good, you know, like
stop second guessing that one moment in your life, because
it could have been a lot worse and this is
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not who you were meant to be. And so anyway,
love Tapestry and uh yeah, it's a good, good episode
for this point in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Great stuff, Thank you very much, the Matt Boardman. All right,
Jake's final take. Sak any have final thoughts on this
particular episode?
Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Okay, yeah, I have some final thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
I first of all, would like to know what Wharf
was doing insecurity when he let the Lnarians post up
outside the conference room.
Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
With some kind of weapon.
Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
How are you allowed to board the ship in some
kind of meeting with anybody and have a weapon on you?
Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
It just that I want to know what Warf do
when he was slipping right there.
Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
And then other thing I was thinking about was when
Picard was in that moment with Q in that after
life white light room that's behind Chris Garrison reminded me
of Cisco with the wormhole aliens in the white light room,
and so I like how white light rooms are always
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used for this kind of rough place for her. You know,
it's undefined. It's like, we don't really know what that's
a that's like a callback on the White Light Rooms,
and I like it. Let's see Captain Thomas Holloway. I
would like to see a whole little spin off on
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you know that guy. What's he doing? He might be
somebody interesting. He happened to be the Captain when Piccuard
wasn't there, so I don't know. Maybe he's good at something.
Uh uh yeah, I was thinking about, uh that song
I just died in your arms tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I don't know why, but there my head.
Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Is that mister, mister or wait no, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know that is, but it's
it was my head.
Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
There's some things that I enjoyed about this episode. Definitely
my faving.
Speaker 12 (01:27:28):
I googled it.
Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Yeah, I felt like this is the best Q episode
I've seen. I enjoyed him. He was tolerable and this
he had a little bit of compassion and actually, for
the first time, he actually won the debate.
Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
When he goes back and forth with Picard, Picard is
always the winner in there debating. You know about principles
about morality, about the human condition, and in this instance,
uh Picard says to something to the effect of, I
admit it was a mistake. I'd rather die the man
I was than live a life I saw. So, so
(01:28:08):
he admits that trying to relive his life was a mistake,
and he would.
Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
You know, rather be the man that he was than try.
Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
To, you know, go through the obstacle of reliving all
of these things. And so technically, in this gamesmanship that
the card has with Q throughout this series, I felt
like the card has always been winning the gamesmanship. But
in this particular instance, I will give Q the win.
(01:28:42):
It seems as though he wins in this Now he
may have set up the scenario.
Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
It might not be real.
Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
I don't know if all the things are real, but
at least in the the play of wanting to rechoose
to redo things and versus just accepting the outcome of
whatever life you live, Q is right about this one,
And so I thought that made it good for me.
Definitely my favorite Q episode to watch. I'm glad there
(01:29:10):
wasn't in the title, didn't give it away, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Glad he wasn't as obnoxious as he normally is.
Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Sometimes he was slightly dialed back on it, and I
thought it was great for me. But I do have
a lot of nitpicks and I'd love to get into those.
Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Sat It's going to be fire U. Yeah, you know,
when you're talking about uh picard and trying to go
back and change it. I was actually reminded of when
they talked to the emissary on the first episode of
D Space Stein say and then why do you exist here? Right?
It's a similar message to that. All right, well, good
(01:29:48):
stuff everybody. Thank you very much to Alison Leech, Hide,
Matt Boordman, Comma, The Chris McGee, Carrie Schwent, TJ Jackson,
Bay Out in Missouri, Chris Garrett, Rris, Doctor, Susan V. Gruner,
Chuck A Faith How Melissa Longo for myself, Saracloughton, Melissa,
and mister Aaron Eisenberg. We will see you next time
(01:30:10):
unless you're joining us for things left unsaid. We're gonna
bring out our Nausick in accent action figures. Soroc and
Melissa are gonna blast this episode.
Speaker 8 (01:30:22):
Have you done your your impression?
Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (01:30:27):
He has not?
Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I did, I did the Nausick in one actually, and
Sorac said, you know, when I heard you doing that before,
I thought it was a FERINGI yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think I did it while we were recording. I
think so you did great, all right, He's like, yeah,
(01:30:48):
you no need to do it again, right all right? Well,
everybody stick around, we will see you next time. I'll
do it and things left unsaid on the seventh Rule
The Linarians attacked an away team outside the conference room,
Corlina discovered that Picard had already made a second date
with Penny Morok and Domjott is just a little trigonometry
and some minor wrist action. Hello everybody, and welcome to
the Seventh Rule with Sarrock Lofton.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hello, my name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we're doing
a review of Star Trek The Next Generation Season six,
episode fifteen, entitled Tapestry, written by the Ronald D. Mour,
directed by the less Landau. This was February thirteenth, nineteen
(00:40):
ninety three, Valentine's Day, Eve. Where were you and how
are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Srock excellent?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
All right, everybody, please make sure you like this video.
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the show and tell us all how much you appreciate
us monetarily. All right, So, sirock I do have thoughts
(01:14):
about this episode. Surprisingly, however, to my knowledge, this is
the first time you've ever watched The Next Generation, so
this would be the first time you've ever seen season
six episode fifteen, Tapestry, What did you think of it?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It was a good episode.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'll say that first because I want I don't want
to pile on the episode right away.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I liked the episode. I enjoyed the episode.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But I do well. The only butt is, I guess.
The only butt that I can say is I didn't
know Tapestry was a Q episode. And so that's my
big butt because.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You cannot lie.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, he irritates me to the n degree, Like I
I physically get annoyed by him.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Uh and and because I guess because he's playing it
so well, because he's supposed to be like that, right he.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Is.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
His character is an irritative, annoying, like you know, pestering,
you know, individual with a whole lot of arrogance and
entitlement and supremacy issues. So there's like all of that there.
And so when I when he gets on, I just
get I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Know what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I just like, oh God, here we go with this
guy and his games. And so they made up for that.
And I'm going to give ron Moore credit because Ronald
Moore did a fantastic job making this my favorite of
the Q episodes, which maybe sounds weird or something, but
(03:06):
I enjoyed this Q episode more so than I think
I've enjoyed any other ones in the past. Okay, it
was less, he was less obnoxious. He was he was
gifting required an opportunity, and I thought, oh, I can tolerate.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
This version of Q. Wasn't overly.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, because the episode wasn't fully about Q. Q was
more the the guide, right. He was he was the
guy that snapped his fingers to create this thing, kind
of like the Robin Hood episode. He was kind of
the guide and he would pop in and pop out,
you know, he's like the narrator almost. What did you
(03:58):
think of junior grade Lieutenant junior grade Picard?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, you know, first of all, it doesn't even fit.
It's like, what is this? Who is this guy?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
As soon as I saw.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
The was it the uh science officer colors on him?
I was thinking, how did he even get out of command?
Like what's going on here? And then it made me
think of your action figure and I thought, oh, this
is why Ryan has that one action figure that he
has that different coloring, right, and you nailed it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
This action figure is from this specific episode. It's a
rare one. It's Lieutenant junior grade pickcard, and I always
have him with me. I bring him up and I
do his little voice. And I couldn't find him today,
as luck would have it, which is I'm like, well,
isn't that that is such a lieutenant junior grade Picard
(05:02):
thing to do is to not be around the one
time when I actually need him. So that was pretty ironic.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like many appearances as he's made on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I really could not find I even found his
carrying case that doctor Susan V. Gruner made for him.
Oh it's green, and I was like, oh good, I
found him and I went like this and his toga
fell out, but not him even the little passport that
(05:35):
that Sue made for when she went to Greece and
took him to Greece with her.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Anyway, he's on the run.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So here's the thing, guys. If you see if you
find Lieutenant junior grade the card action figure, please tell
him to go home. His daddy is worried about him,
and he'll be like, well, he's just not well, that
doesn't sound like him. Actually he doesn't take chances. But anyway,
back to the story, Sarak, I'm gonna be perfectly honest
(06:05):
with you. Yeah, Not only do I have that action
figure just because it's a very rare one and it's
fun to see picard and in science colors, but because
I believe this is one of the greatest episodes in
the history of Star Trek. Like I think it's probably
(06:27):
for me personally, a top five favorite TNG episode which
stops you dead in your tracks to hear me say this,
because up until now it seemed like you had a
little bit of respect for me. But I do believe
that this is a fantastic episode. I even had the
old nineteen ninety eight nine, nineteen ninety nine VHS tape,
(06:51):
and I mean, like the price you bought it for
nineteen ninety nine, not that it came out in nineteen
ninety nine. Maybe it did. And I would have that
thing and I'd watch over and over again, and it
was like the biggest thing, obviously, is the message at
the end. The message at the end was like, it
(07:11):
is something that we have all thought of in our lives.
I wish I hadn't done this. I wish I didn't
do that. Ah boy, I was I did these crazy
and we say, we talk about them with pride sometimes
like ah, man, I did some bad shit, but then
we also kind of have some regrets about certain things
(07:32):
sometimes or wonder what things would have been like had
we not screwed something up. And the lesson is, you know,
it's all part. It's all part of the tapestry of
your life. And if you think your life wouldn't have
would have been better had you not made that mistake
twenty or thirty years ago, you might be wrong because
(07:52):
that mistake might have made you hit a bump in
the road, but it might have created something better in
the long run. And it's got a really great message
and I think a lot of people really like it.
In fact, no spoilers, but our friend Jason m Oakin
told me he is so bummed that he will not
(08:16):
make The Free for All because he said this was
his favorite TNG episode ever, which is the first time
officially he's ever complimented anything.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Your thoughts, Yeah, that's yeah, that's I have to say.
I have to think back on my favorites because you know,
it's all fresh.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
In my mind and I don't have.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
The whole picture of all the episodes that I've seen
in my head right now. Yeah, what was the episode
where he lives out his old life arms flute for himself.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Oh yeah, well that was the Inner Light. That is
most people both consider that a top three or top
five episode, and a huge chunk of people say that's
their favorite episode. Yeah, it's a big one.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I'm mainly more Inner Light than Tapestry. Yeah, powerful,
just just because of the Q factor. Really literally, I
love the story so but.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Really threw you out of it. But it's because he's
necessary to this episode.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's necessary.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
But the problem is I have the same reservation that
Picard himself states in the episode, which is I refuse
to believe the after life is run by you. That
was one, that's one, and it's this badly does the you?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I remember, I don't believe the universe is this badly
designed or something? Yes, yes, yes, so good.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yes, And that's exactly how I felt. So when he
said that, I was like, yes, yes, the cards, I
agree with you. This can't be the case. He can't
have the ability to transfer into interdimensionally into the afterlife.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It just it's just it's just it's just too much
for me.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's too much powers for a que and so I
think that aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now, if it was something else, another.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Guide, yeah, something like.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
That, Yeah, another guide in the afterlife. Just and maybe
this guide was faceless and.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We didn't even know what what alien it was or whatever,
you know, just just a just a guide.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Uh maybe robed or cloaked and you just you know,
face constantly not being able to be seen or whatnot.
The the Q factor is the part that made it
a little bit harder for me, and so I would
have totally agree with you. The story was you know,
I enjoyed watching the story. I enjoyed seeing there's so
(10:56):
much here. So we you know, we got to dissac
a lot. But for example, I think we've heard about this, uh,
this story over the course of these six seasons. Right,
have they not referred to this to Picard having an artificial.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I think they mentioned it in an episode. Yeah, and
certainly in our Free for Alls. People do hint towards things,
and they do like to throw in tapestry and their
description of things just the word with a little wink,
wink and a nudge nudge. So it's been floating around.
I've been trying not to say anything. I mean, and
I know you've seen me play with this little rascal
(11:35):
here in the past, so it's definitely been floating around.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, No, I think story wise, this is this
This let me you know, this is confirmation or reconfirmation,
because I already.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Was certain about this that Ron Moore.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Is the the premiere writer of Star Trek. Yeah, you know,
his body of work is Chooking'sblue.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And you know, before we jump too much in that,
just I think I'm also remembering doctor Pulaski doing something
to help the card's artificial heart too. Yeah, just to
agree with you a little bit more, I think I
remember that like maybe her first or second episode, you know,
like to kind of show how great she was at
what she did. But anyway, Ronald D.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Moore, well, they mentioned it in another episode.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They was like, well, you you know you you have.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
This rebuild artificial heart somewhere in an episode.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I heard it at least once or twice, And yeah,
definitely so. And then Ronald D. Moore his as we
watch these episodes, we've seen all of D Space nine,
now we're watching all of Next Generation. His library, his
resume is getting stacked with good episodes.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's not even a question for me.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
He's just his writing is so eloquent that all I
find myself doing. What I watch an episode of this
is write all the words down, and it feels like
I'm just writing rewriting the script almost.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm like, God, I can't just write everything. I have
to pick something that I like.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But I end up writing Damner half the script. And
I'm thinking, you know a script is good when you're
sitting here writing the lines down.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, well, I know you do the same thing. But
it's just like, oh, do I ever? It's amazing. I
mean when when Picard first sees Q and he tells
him you're dead right, and he's like, how am I?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Why am I here? And how did I get here?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And he says, oh, because of the NEFT administration doctor Crusher.
That was the first like dig Q, and I was like, this, guys,
he's an asshole. In the after, he's taking shots of
Crusher over there.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, I'll show you real quick. Yeah, dude, I do
the same I do the same thing. This might be
the first time I've ever shown this, but my notes
a lot of times when it's a really good episode
is just quotes, quote after quote after quote after quote
after quote, and I'm like, how why am I writing
(14:20):
so many notes here? Yes, so many good so many
good quotes there.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Mine went so far that I had to go to
the backside and fill up the other side and see
because there was just too much yeah on the backside,
I had to write all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Although I get really scared showing everybody my notes because
a lot of times I write really bad jokes to
myself in these notes, or I'll be like, oh, this
guy said some dumb shit and this guy's an idiot,
or oh boy, nice acting stupid or you know, but
I'm like, I can't say that.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But anyway, she got nicknames for people that might share Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I do, but not in this one. I think this
was all positive hopefully so. I mean, I do have
some nitpicks, but they're pretty minor. I do think that
the best part of Q in this episode was when
one of them, and this is maybe my one of
my favorite scenes ever in Star Trek history, is when
(15:22):
Picard wakes up and he looks over and Q goes
morning Darling and Piccard of and he pulled up.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I was like, why is he pulling up?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Legan like like, you know, like he doesn't want to
expose his chest. It's chest out this whole time. Good
so good, But yeah, no, that was funny. I did
enjoy that moment. There was some good moments, and that's
why I thought this was Q's best episode for me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I enjoyed this version.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Of him was a little team, a little mild and
more compassionate, and it just it was.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It was more.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It was a more clever gamesmanship than what I normally
see him reduced to. Like when he says to him, hey,
I'll restore your life and give you a real new working.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Art, and he does, but not what he thinks. You know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It's like when you asked that genie for a wish
and you know, the wish turns out wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You were like, no, no, that's no, you heard me.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, Or like if you just say tell a genie, hey,
I want to be promoted at work, and the genie
says okay, and then you get promoted at work, and
then two weeks later you get laid off because they
can't afford that level or something.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You're like, oh you know what, yes, so yeah, you
got to be careful about wishes. You got to be
careful about regrets. Obviously, that's never going to happen. We're
not going to have a Genie. We're not going to
have a Q. But we have these kinds of things
to remind us of, like, hey, be grateful for what
you have. Don't necessarily think that things that were bad
(17:06):
or seemed bad or felt bad always turn out to
have been bad in the long run. They're all part
of the tapestry of our lives, and when you pull
that thread, pull that loose end, it unravels the whole thing.
But moving on a bit, you said, besides Q, let's
(17:29):
let's take Q out of this. What did you think
of the rest of it?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Well, you know, I enjoyed it, Like I said, I
really enjoyed the episode.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It didn't have any like.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Performance wise that I can sink loving away.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Where was that episode? We just saw it recently. What
the card was very vulnerable and oh yeah, he was
being held prisoner by the Cardassian guy.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh chain of command.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I mean that was performance wise, it's a higher level
of acting that was that Patrick stewartt was doing in
that episode because he had to be vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He was projecting himself.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It was amazing the performance, so like performance wise, they
didn't see anything that jumped out to me like the
greatest episode.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
What made it great is the idea of what is.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
The fundamental thing of it, which is we all wish
we can get opportunity to relive or redo something.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You know, what if this didn't happen? What if that
didn't happen?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And would you be satisfied with the results of what
that light is that you end up coming out of.
And and the irony is that the opposite is also
true too, And that's why I thought.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It was funny to see Lieutenant Junior and grade the
car and what what do I mean by that?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
There is a person who made life choices and is
Lieutenant Junior grade assistant astrophysics guy right, And and maybe
had that person gotten a chance to redo, they would be.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay with the results. Do you see what I'm saying This?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
In the Picard case, we're seeing him not okay with
the results because he ends up becoming demoted. He's not
a captain anymore, and his all time goal and dream
of life is to be a captain, so nothing passes
that in his ideas, right, he want like he could
be a baseball star that wouldn't be as big for him.
Wants to be a captain of a ship, right. He
(20:02):
doesn't want to be a geologist or a Shakespearean actor.
He wants to be a captain, right, And so I
think he realized, Hey, I got to do the thing
that I love most, and I don't care that I'm
on this ship in Starfleet. I'm not a captain, and
my dream, that my ultimate dream, is not fulfilled.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And so I feel like at the root of the
debate is.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Fulfilling what you desire, fulfilling what you believe to be
your destinies, fulfilling to be the thing that you think
is a defining characteristic of who you are. And I
think that lies at heart of it, not the fact
that he was demoted, because I think he's still in Starfleet.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He's you know, he's still studying a subject.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Obviously he did well in in school and well enough
after physics, so he did well enough to get ranking
in that we passed that. It's you know, all of
that stuff. So what I'm saying is it's more about
achieving the dream of what he always wanted to accomplish,
which is being a Captain, it's not necessarily about uh,
(21:17):
because they kept saying, you're running tests, making analysis and
carrying out reports to your superiors.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's what the qu said to.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It, superiors.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Really he hit that, that word superiors hit him.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
R and but but but once again, there are people
living that life.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Doing it for Captain most most people.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
There are people on the card ship that are running tests,
making analysis. Everybody Jordy Data, right, that's what they're doing.
And to me too, whomptified, that as a miserable existence
is not necessarily the right tone to hit, because I
don't think Jordy's life is a miserable one, or Data's
(22:07):
life is a miserable one, or any subordinate to them
who may be working their way up the rinks. I
don't think that just because they they're not the captain
and they're the superior officer, I don't think that's necessarily
a definition of a inferior life or one not worth living,
Like I would just rather die than you know. So
(22:32):
that's where a little bit of the morality and the
you know, the message that we leave behind is slightly
diluted by what they emphasize as being the thing that
he cannot live with. I think it's more about him
fulfilling his dream of being a captain.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I see that, and I'll counter Okay, I mean
part of what you're saying, a lot of it too,
I agree, is that would he be that unhappy with
it had he not already seen his previous reality. If
he had never seen that or lived that, and he
(23:15):
was living this, then he would always just kind of
regret not taking chances. But he wouldn't say I'd rather
die than continue on. Most likely right, he'd be like,
that's good enough, it's cool, it's everything I've ever known.
It's just who I am, you know. But I think
what really hit him was his conversation with Riker and Troy.
(23:41):
That's when it really hit him hard, because that was
a really good scene too. And there's nothing I love
more than seeing actors that are hardly in an episode,
like Jonathan Franks and Marine Assertus were, yet they gave
that scene and everything they had. I thought the acting
(24:04):
from Riker and Troy both were phenomenal in that scene,
like even when Troy wasn't talking, the way she was
looking at Picard with concern and sympathy in her eyes
while Riker was talking to him was really good, and
the way Riker was just cracking me up. The way
(24:24):
he's kind of a dick to his subordinate, you know,
like we used to seeing him talking to Picard, who's
his superior, or talking to the guys like Jordan Wharf
who are not really his peers but really close to
his level. So he talks to them with respect most
of the time. But apparently when he talks to this
(24:44):
bumbling guy who's punctual, he's just like, look, you if
you really want to know, because he was like, oh,
this might be better for your evaluation, and he's like,
I really want to know now He's like, okay, well,
frankly lut tennant, I really don't think that's realistic. I mean,
he's just like, fine, if you're going to be pushy
(25:07):
about it and interrupt my date, I'm going to tell
you the truth. It's not realistic. You're not going to
be a captain. You're a great officer and we don't
want to lose you. But you just you know, you're
thorough does its steady, reliable, and punctual.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He doesn't you got to stand out.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
You don't stand out, you know, and then Troy says, yes,
you know, the thing is you have lofty goals, but
you haven't been willing to take chances to achieve them
with something.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Like yes, that effect and that's the crux of it.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
That's the crux of it. And so.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You know, the thing is this, if we play it
safe in life, and I think they mentioned the word
play it's safe. I think something like Q says to him, like, yeah,
you could play it safe, and right, so the word
is the words would play it safe.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He even said and went on this big long monologue
about that that Picard, that John Luke Picard uh never
led the away mission on whatever, never took charge of
the stargames when his captain died, Bobble, he learned to
play it safe and he never got noticed by anyone.
(26:30):
And I'm like, oh, that is a bigger stab in
the heart than the Notskins game, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah. Speaking of that, I love the way they smile.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
The smile was incorporated the moment when he smiles when
he gets stabbed. It's such a beautiful, poetic justice type
moment where it's just chef's kiss of a moment there.
But yeah, when he says to him, you know, you
never took chances. The other did this, the other car
did that. And what it really boils down to is,
(27:04):
in life in general, for everybody out there, you cannot walk.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Around in a zero risk situation.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
If you do, you're gonna bubble wrap yourself in your
place and you won't. You won't live life, you won't explore,
you won't. I mean, there's a risk when you drive
a car. There's risk when you go running on a
trail or hiking. I mean, there's there's a risk when
you go on an airplane. There's a risk when anything
almost any even I mean eating.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I was just gonna say, even eating is a risk.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, people you know, choke to death and die while
they're eating. You know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So it's not impossible taking a shower. People have slipped
and fell in the shower, and you know, so if
you're going to try to find a zero risk way
of living life, it's almost impossible. You have to take
on risk in life. You have to, you know, face
those years and those challenges and what you do in
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those moments. It's not that you don't feel it, it's
that you overcome the.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Feeling and say you know what, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I'm going to whatever it is, and you take on
whatever that thing is, I mean, ride a skateboard, mountain bike,
you know, whatever your thing is to do, you have
to be able to overcome your fear, I mean swimming anything.
You know, nobody knows how to swim until they learn
(28:30):
how to swim, right, and so you have to face
your face that and take a risk. So I just
feel like this episode was excellently written for.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Me at a highlighted why.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I love Ronald Morris writing because I just it's the
dialogue is scrumptious. It's very good to watch him architect
back and forth between his characters. You mentioned Riker in
that scene, Riker had a look on his face like,
first of all, I don't even your name is, like.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yes, mister Picard, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, right, and then he looks at him like like,
but you know, you're you're taking up too much time
for me, right, you know, I don't want to be
bothered with you. And it really did look like a
subordinate type of you know, situation. But once again, you know,
I I did like the episode the not the Narcissist.
(29:34):
We have to get to that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh yeah, we'll get Oh you mean the guys that
go human love. I got that action figure too, and
it comes with the act I should have gotten that,
I bet you.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I think I see you say that before.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I yeah that yeah, yeah, and he's got it comes
with the long knife too.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I should It's funny because the whole time I've heard
you say that, I thought that was for Reggie.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Uh nation.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh interesting. Although the Frankie do work with noaskins sometimes,
if you'll remember in Deep Space nine, you know, like
Quarkole say, you know, be careful, I know some very
big nasikens or something like that. But look, we're gonna
take a break and I'm gonna talk about all the
things I hate about this episode.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah there are any We'll be.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right back on the Seventh Rule. Hey, everybody, Welcome back
to the Seventh Rule with Sarah Loften.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Here are the trivioids of the week. This is funny
because I love this episode, Yet there weren't a ton
of impressive trivioids for this one. It's just a good story.
The Linarians attacked and away team outside the conference room.
John Luke Picard was a young was young, cocky with
far too much ego and not enough wisdom in his youth.
Sean lu Picard went to starbas Earhart right after graduation.
(30:54):
Corlenad discovered that Picard had already made a second date
with Penny Muroc is something you say to old ladies.
Dom Jo is just a little trigonometry and some minor
earist action. It's kind of like basketball. Captain Narth is
an excellent officer. All right, how did you feel about
(31:20):
Picard getting slapped by one lady and then a drink?
I did not understand why that lady threw the drink
in his face. To be honest, like he called her
a handsome lady, and she's like, that's what you say
to old people, or that's what you say to old ladies.
And he says you're not Oh, you're not old, and
she goes, I don't splash, I don't need your pity.
What was he supposed to say? He said you're not old,
(31:48):
especially because he meant it, because he's like, I'm like
old enough to be your dad, you know, Like he's like,
you're not old. Believe me.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, he said I'm old is what he should have said.
Uh no, I I didn't mind.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Excuse me, I didn't mind that so much.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I thought the reason you asked me the reason why
she slapped them, I thought it was because she says
it in the beginning of that scene, she's like, Hey,
what happened to the guy from last night that was
all over me and you know, flirting in Yeah, And
so to me, it's like, if you come with a
certain level expectation, like, hey, I expect this guy's going
to you know, be romanzing me, like we already trying.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
To hump in a public place.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Though, Like she she's like, we already made it to
third base and now you're back at the batters, your
back trying to swing again.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
She's like, what's going on? Going backward?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So she got a little bit upset because she wasn't
being given the kind of attention and flaunting over it
that she wanted. So, Yeah, I didn't mind that. I
didn't understand the original slap.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, I think, but they explained that that said that
that she slapped him because she found out that he
had a date right after her date. I don't really
know if that warrants a slap. She could just be like, oh,
you know what, then I don't want to date you,
but whatever it was, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
We haven't regrets as a society when it comes to relationship.
But I again that that kind of I found it
a little bit weird. And I'm gonna tell you why.
People I know usually have the same characteristics over the years,
(33:37):
even if they mature, Even if they there's still a
base element of what that person is like.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So if you're like.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
A wild kid growing up, party, heavy drinker, party here,
when you become an adult, you're not like going to
bed eight o'clock, you still have a little that party
guy is in you somewhere, and it could be activated.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Even if you try to, you know, put it away,
it could be activated.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I see no signs of the you know, the flirt
that the card was supposedly during those days where he
was out here double dates and girls slapping him because
they because he changed till I grew up.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, that's what he's He grew up, and now he's
looking back and saying, and that's that's I feel like
that's kind of his part of his lesson is that
he's looking back and going, you know, I was I
was a womanizer, I was a flirt. I helped my
friend cheated games, and you know that's not right, that's
you know, and he's trying to be respectful and he's
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trying to be nice, and he's trying not to hump
women in a bar and all this kind of stuff
because now he's grown up, and now he looks back
and frowns upon those things that he did thirty years ago.
But then that's part of the lesson, and that like
doing those things the guy that he is now, he
needed to do that to become a great captain. Everybody
(35:12):
at home, you will not be a great captain unless
you do those.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Things, unless you get in a fight with three guys
who could beat you up and.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Pissed people off, get drinks thrown in your face.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, this is the funny thing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
He gets the second opportunity, he's like, you know what,
I'm going to go back, not going to be the
guy was before. It was just a womanizer and uh,
you know getting into bar fights, right.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
He's been in a bar fight. You ever been in
a bar fight? Ask Chuck he been in a bar fight?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Who said that, Hey, hey, Shack, don't say none, Shack.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It was it was Kevin Garnett who was saying it. Though,
if I remember correctly. But yeah, but to them, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So no, I'm gonna say though that then he hooks
up with the girl.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
What do you mean, Like he's like, this is the
mature guy, right, this is the wisdom.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Version of him.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But he hooked.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And for that night.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, that's that's where it was like, Okay, but Guard
only gets uh, he only hooks up on an away mission,
whether it's the afterlife or that's true, right, I mean
have we seen him hook up not like on the
(36:46):
on the ship somewhere.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I think every time it's been because that's his thing.
He's like, I'm not gonna hump on duty. I'm only
gonna hump off duty because that's what a captain does.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's that's the sign of the leader.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But here are a couple of things that made me laugh.
When Q was talking to Picard towards the beginning of
his you know, going back in the past, Q says, hey,
you know how you doing? You seem unimpaled so far.
Funny line. That's a good line. Obviously, when Q comes
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in with the flowers completely cock blocks him. You know,
when like Picard and Marta were kind of getting a
little close and then suddenly Q comes in with the flowers.
He goes, is there a gene Luck? Pickard John look,
and then he totally cock blocked him.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
There.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That was terrible. So there are a lot of lines
that did make me laugh. Uh yeah, oh yeah there
were there. That's the line you were talking about. He
learned to play it safe and he never ever got
noticed by anyone. Okay, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
What about I liked when, uh, when when he called
Penny Hansom at the bar and then Q pops in
and he's like, Penny for your thoughts, Yes, because.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Like they wrote that name specifically for that. So what
about the other actors? What about Marta and was his name? Corey?
Did you like them? I mean they were cool, they
were fine, right.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, yes, I thought they were good. I thought Martha
was good. Yeah, I thought they were both good. Cory,
you played just enough of a.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Do you like that you and Picard had the same
girlfriend name, yes, Marta? Yes, I mean her she was
Marta and yours was Marda.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
But we pronounced it was Mark.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeh. I was like, hey, Pecard's first girl's part too.
We got something in common.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. Marta Batts the nineties or something
like that sounds maybe Greek, although I will here's a
nitpick for you.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Oh, let me ask you this. Oh okay, give me
the nipick and I have a question.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, nitpick. I need my nitpick tie. I used to
I used to have it right there, we're right there.
Uh so the nitpick tie is Pecard gets slapped.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Q says what's going on? And he's like, oh, well,
it's because she just found out that I have a
date blah blah blah blah. And he says, what time
is it? And he says it's sixteen, you know, sixteen
eleven something like that, right, four eleven, And Piccard says, oh,
in fact, I believe Penny is waiting for me right now.
(40:04):
I don't know about you. Yeah, but I don't remember
things to the minute thirty years later, at least I
won't once I reached thirty years, I should say. But like,
I would be surprised if he even remembered the names
(40:25):
of these one or two date people thirty years later.
I mean, you can remember maybe a name if they
left an impression on you or a hand print on
your face, But like to the time. Oh, oh, four
to eleven? No, I better, y, I remember specifically this
was Tuesday, October eighteenth. Oh, it is October eighteenth, October eighteenth,
(40:50):
Tuesday at four to eleven pm, you know. Anyway, so
that was a weird thing. I'm like, come on, he
doesn't remember the exact time he was meeting weather. Anyway,
That's what I got there.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, I agree with that. I thought the same thing too.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I thought, how did this guy know that to the day,
what his schedule was. I barely remember what I did
last week. I have to look at my calendar. I'm
not going to be able to just off the top
of my head say, oh, yeah, twenty seven I was
eating a fat burger Samon Synth and like, there's no
way you know that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So anyways, that's how I had the same kind of realization.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But ice qba fat burger till like two in the morning.
If I remember correctly, that was a good day.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
It was a good day. But no, I thought this.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
For one, I loved when the Nausikins were coming out
no grumba. I thought that was hilarious, and also loved
it when he said maybe you need a bigger stick.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
But I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That had me rolling. I was laughing, and then.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Well, I also noticed that the nasicns had hair just
like Dennis mad Alone, so I just wanted to shout
out of Dennis madd Alone.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
In fact, oh, there are also some people in the bar,
and one of the guys in the bar I had
to look twice to make sure it wasn't Dennis matt Alone,
you know, because he kind of had like the shaggy hair,
and I was like, is that Dennis? But then we
got a better shot at him and it wasn't. But
there are actually some really interesting aliens in there. I
took a couple quick pictures. Let me see if I can. Okay,
(42:36):
one was and we might have to ask the free
for all. But this one I remember this guy like
as a guy that kind of was was did like
put his hands on someone or like sucked. He was
like a telepathic guy. Remember in one of the TG episodes,
this was like a telepathic character and I can't remember
(43:00):
kay who it was. Then there was this guy that
kind of looked like a tweet leg from Star Wars.
I don't remember anyway.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Wow, Yeah, I didn't see all of those, but that
was my question for you Boom. He just reminded me
the question was or is did did they filmed that
bar Dom John scene at Quarks Bar?
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Because I interesting, I felt.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Like they just redressed Quarks Bar. And I could be wrong,
but I've spent a lot of time in Quarks so.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
The bar It's compossible, especially with all those extra aliens
that we got accustomed to see and Quarks War. There
was also an antikin. Remember the guys that kind of
looked like dogs dog people, There was an antikin in there. Yeah,
I wonder because they.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
They were stressed Wars Bar.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
They were Space nine at the time.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And if they're not using that said, uh, I don't
know if they borrowed sets like that from each I
think we did. We borrowed we used the caves together.
I'm sure we both used the case at the same time.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
But I was.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Looking around the back and I felt like that was
Quark's Bar based on I thought I saw the staircase
that goes upstairs in the back. The ceiling from the
low shots looking up felt like they were.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
The Quarks ceiling.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
So I wasn't one hundred percent sure, but I was like,
is that quirks that they just kind of redressed for
this episode. I mean, we weren't doing DS nine at
this time, so it is possible.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
It's possible. That is an interesting thought. I hadn't considered that. Also.
I thought that did we see Jeordie at all in
this episode? I don't remember if we actually saw him
or if he just for that week had that one
(45:01):
line of saying, hey, you know the fortunate to Picard,
Hey Picard, I'm still waiting on that spectral analysis, right, yeah,
And that is another example of a guy, unless I'm mistaken,
we might not have even seen him in this episode.
If so, it's like at the very beginning, you know,
(45:23):
on the bridge maybe, but he came in basically to
do a line and a half, and I thought he
delivered that line really well, like I'm still waiting on
that spectral analysis, like with a little bit of annoyance
but trying to be cool with your subordinate, but like, yeah,
kind of you know, he's kind of like you could
tell he's kind of tired of him, like I always
(45:44):
have to tell you this man, Like I'm still waiting
on that. And I was like, whoa, this is another
case where these professional freaking actors. They show up for
one day or half a day or a v VO
moment and it was great. I was like, Wow, that's
(46:06):
I shouldn't be surprised by that, but it really stands
out to me because we've seen it a ton of
times in the past where maybe it's not a lead,
but it's one of the characters. They're going, you know,
they're they're calling in on the viewscreen and they don't.
They're just going like, I'm sending you my coordinates. Now
you should be and you're just like, you know, somebody
(46:27):
give this guy something to work with here, because this
guy is giving me nothing.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
It happens all the time, it does, but Riker and
Troy and Jordie and the others never do that. They
just don't phone it in, And I think they should
be commended for it personally.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, you mentioned Riker and Troy scene. They I thought
they were fantastic in their moments here to I actually
saw warf at a very under recognized line because it Yeah,
when he gives him his title, the way he enunciates
(47:09):
that title is fantastic. I had to rewind it just
because I love the way he said he put a
period after Lieutenant junior grade and he paused right, and
it was just perfectly delivered.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I thought for more and that that's what really hit
hard the most for this particular episode are those moments
back on the bridge, those moments, I mean Picard. Patrick
Stewart's acting was beautiful throughout because you could feel what
he's feeling. But it's it's that we know who he's
supposed to be, and that's why those lines are really biting.
(47:50):
When he says, mister Piccard, can I help you? Mister Picard,
he's just like what you need? And then Lieutenant junior
grade and then when Jordi hits him with the little thing,
and then Riker and Troy are just beating him down,
like oh man, that is.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Oh and the way Riker says uh uh put yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
He's like looking for a compliment.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
He surety doesn't think he's punctual.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Exactly, but it's like that moment when you're like fishing
for any.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Like what can they say good without like tearing this
guy down?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
You're you know, you smell nice. It's time for the
home run of today's episode. Siah who gets the home
run of today's episode?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, I want to say that, first of all, les
landaut kudos to you Less directing this episode.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
You know, I always give you a hard time for our.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Self sealings them this moment, but you know you've you've
really proven yourself time and time again and being the
excellent director. And I thought this was a good directing
from you as well. So you're out there listening, Less,
I'm giving a shout out.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
But the home run goes to ron Ronald.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
The more like I said, I wrote down in my notes,
greatest of all time, and that's how I feel like
he's the greatest writer.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Uh disfranchised.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
No knock anybody else, because a lot of these ves
amongst the starters of the great writers, you know, the
rod Serlings of the world.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
But yes, I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Ronald moore Man, his language, his grasp of that of
conflict and.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Drama, it's just beautifully it's yes. So he's just a
beautiful story teller.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I like and I love this episode all right.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
By the way, Lesland, I agree with you there. Whenever
you need a little more, less is more. That's our guy.
And I had a feeling you would say Ronald de Moore. Oh,
that's that also worked. But I'm going to lean into
Patrick Stuart because Patrick Stewart just had a terrific performance
(50:26):
and it's a memorable performance. It's an excellent script, beautifully acted,
well executed by the director. High grades all around. But
my home other day will barely go to Patrick Stewart,
edging out the others. All right, here are some other
(50:48):
edge lords. Their names are doctor Anne, Marie Siegel, Eve
England out in Wales. You've got Blackman Tom TJ. Jackson
Bay out in Missouri, Titas Smuller, doctor Mohammed Nora, and you'll, oh,
I haven't seen him in a while, Joe Balsarati, Mike Goo,
doctor Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent, Faith Howell, the Matt Boardman,
(51:09):
Chris McGee, Jake Barrett, Henry Unger, Allison Leech Hide, Julie
Menas Feed, Jed Thompson, doctor Susan V. Gruner, Glenn Iverson,
Dave Gregory, Chris Sternitt, Greg kay Wickstrom and Cassandra g.
Chuck A, Chris Garris, and of course the guy who
(51:29):
said it's his favorite episode of TNG ever, Jason m Okin.
All Right, everybody time, for the Free for All. We
will be right back. Let's see what other people thought
of this one on the seventh Rule. Well, hi there, everybody,
welcome back to the seventh Rule with Sarak lofton. This
is the Free for All with Melissa A. Lungo Hi
(51:54):
and faith howel cool shirt? Uh, Chuck A is the
TNG fanatic. Hello, everybody's got cool shirts? Actually, Doctor Susan V.
Gruner is hanging out with us as we oh, seventh
dule shirt. Chris Garris has his to the Journey shirt. Hello,
(52:14):
t J Jackson, bays and stripes on the bridge of
the Enterprise. D Carrie Schwent has her Abyssinian ki Oscar
Cisco kid shirt and tiny cute Chris McGee, Oh, that's
an accurate shirt Starfleet Academy perfect. And the MATV boardman
has the laughing picard behind him. Beautiful stuff. All right,
(52:39):
this is it. This is the big one. Jake Cisco
guesses the IMDb score.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
I'm gonna say it's eight point.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Seven eight, eight point seven. Okay, interesting guests, does anybody
else have any guesses that doesn't already know?
Speaker 6 (53:07):
Let's say eight point nine.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Eight? Wow, everybody's really super tight and close here.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
If it's below that, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
The actual answer, everybody, that sound you just heard was
not a nosekein. It was our buzzer that says somebody
got it right on the money, and it was Sorock
Loften eight seven am I right? Melissa? Oh, you're looking
(53:45):
at me like maybe I needed recheck.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
I thought it was eight point eight?
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Did it just go up today?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Just went up refresh?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, that'd be funny.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
It is an eight point eight.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Oh yeah, actually no, I did have it as an
eight point eight. I'm so sorry. So you had the
eight point nine. You guys were on Garris excellent? All right,
that's okay, still very very very good. Non appearance mentioned.
We had doctor Salar right at the top of the episode, right,
(54:20):
that was awesome. Yes, did we have.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Any other and she became a French rapper after this.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Slar.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
What about Amelia Earhart?
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yes, because we saw her in Voyager, right, we did
see her brilliant.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
When did they mentioned Amelia Harehart? I missed that.
Speaker 9 (54:46):
The star Bak Star based Airhart is where they were.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Oh okay, wow, the Ajax too. They mentioned Ajax, which
I used to clean my sting sometime.
Speaker 10 (55:00):
They actually mentioned another episode that didn't even exist yet,
Mortal Coil, which was in Voyager.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, yep, that's pretty coil.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
I never I recognized it.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
It's a good that's a good one. Now, did we
have any some kinds of or some sorts of today,
you guys.
Speaker 11 (55:27):
Indeed, when Corey realized that he had been tricked, said,
I'll bet you that he had some sort of magnetic
device in his belt.
Speaker 12 (55:35):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
That's his pickup line too. Actually, I think I think
I'm not sure matic magnetic advice.
Speaker 11 (55:44):
You you're just happy to see me.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Just wait till you see my magnetic cave up the device.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Well we'll cut around all that so well, we probably
won't though. All right, Allissa, will you please get a
start off on the right track clean this place up
by telling us what you thought of this episode.
Speaker 8 (56:10):
Yeah, I don't know how clean I can make it. Yeah,
I I have mixed thoughts about this episode. It's so
you know, it's not gonna be.
Speaker 13 (56:28):
All roses and rainbows and butterflies for me, unfortunately. But
I will tell you what I did like. I really
liked well one. I love Ronald Y Moore. I think
he's fantastic. I love his work as a whole. I
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love the guy.
Speaker 8 (56:52):
I also think Patrick Stewart is pretty fantastic. He wins
me over all the time. I think his his the
way he delivers lines, the way he performs is fantastic.
I I do understand why this is so many people's
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favorite episode or they like it so much, is because
it's very relatable in fact, where we're often questioning ourselves
as human beings and the choices that we've made in
our lives and and and owning those choices, and we
don't often own those choices, even the wrong choices, even
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the bad choices, we kind of brush under the try
to brush under the rug.
Speaker 14 (57:43):
And but but all of our messiness, all of our
are the non beautiful parts of us, are part of us,
and they they're what that's what makes us who we are.
Speaker 8 (57:56):
And and trying to hide that from from that that
and our messy, bumpy parts, it is not realistic and
and it's it's not fun. It's not fun. I will
say that I did have some issues with this episode,
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most of which I will leave with uh for things
left unsaid. But the biggest issue that I had was
that whether Picard chose to walk away in that moment
from the NSSICUNS or not. I don't think Picard, knowing
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his personality, would ever end up in a mediocre life
that that doesn't seem realistic to me. So and I
will tell you why I think this in Things Left
Unsaid and and some other things that that that didn't
sit well with me for this episode.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Wow, good stuff. Thank you very much, Melissa Longo. This
is going to be a brawl today. I can see it.
I can feel it swing away.
Speaker 15 (59:15):
You know, I have to go the other way. I
think this is a fabulous episode. I think that I
connect really strongly with that concept of you know, we
are where we are for a reason, that we every
choice that we've made along the way has led us
to where we are. And just to share a little bit,
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I applied for some things way back in March, didn't
think I was going to get and was selected not
only to be part of a committee, but somehow Frodo
got selected to take the ring and lead the committee
this week. I've told a couple of you guys in private,
so you know, I, as I was watching this episode,
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I was thinking heavily about that experience and how you
know I am positioned where I am professionally and with
my children and everything, and you know you guys. Meeting
with you guys every week has given me that extra
spark of confidence that I feel like I can be
a part of a panel and just every little piece
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of the puzzle comes together sometimes to encourage you to
get out of that comfort zone and to take a
risk and to be great and do good in the
world or you know, the galaxy as it may be.
And so I really have connected tightly with this episode
this week, and I thank you guys, and I thanks
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Star Trek for always being that you know, little companion
and thought partner and encouragement as we go through life.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So I have.
Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
A few more things, but I'll save them for things
left unsaid.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Beautiful. Thank you very much, Faith, Melisa, I hope you
feel bad now. Other next is Chuck A. He's the
TNNG fanatics, so I'm guessing he likes this one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (01:01:13):
Such a good episode.
Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
Uh, I liked.
Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (01:01:17):
There's only like one nitpick I have, but everything the
episode itself was really very good. I'll show my John
luck Pickard figure. That was my favorite line in an
episode and then you got the Lieutenant JG. The card
from the I guess you called it an alternate reality.
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The best scenes that I liked in the episode where
all the scenes with the Narsi cans that makeup was
just so fantastic.
Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
The I like they used the.
Speaker 12 (01:01:54):
Word human, like what Quark does in DS nine human.
I did read on Wikipedia that the actress actor actress
that played Marta J. C. Brandy, and I didn't know
that she was only seventeen years old when they filmed
this episode, and they tried to make.
Speaker 9 (01:02:16):
Her look older.
Speaker 12 (01:02:19):
They were, you know the controversial scene there with Picard there,
and you know the love scene that wasn't shown obviously,
but she was only seventeen. The I thought John Delancey,
I thought this was his best Q episode of.
Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Any of them.
Speaker 12 (01:02:38):
The one that the episode of the seventh season, I
won't spoil it. He was also very good, but I
thought this was his best episode, and he was so compassionate,
especially towards the end of the episode for Picard, he
in left. Picard said to Riker at the end that
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heos QA a bunch of gratitude. Uh really loved this episode.
One of my favorite episodes of TNG.
Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Absolutely, Thank you very much, Chuck A great stuff. As always.
Speaking of great stuff, Doctor Susan V. Gruner is here.
What's up, doctor Sue. It's been a while. What do
you think of this episode? Do you love it?
Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Actually? I do love it. Despite the cues in it,
I still liked it I thought so far. I agree
with everything that everybody else has said. I think I
think the ce character was perfect for this episode and
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any episode, or anytime you think about the fabric of
your life or what you could have done or something
like that at the what ifs. I like an episode
that is a what if episode. Anybody who says that
they don't think about what if is lying. Maybe the
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older you get, the more you think of stuff like that.
Speaker 17 (01:04:16):
But I have no nitpicks at all.
Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
I lie I have one.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
That blood stain.
Speaker 17 (01:04:24):
I don't get the blood stain on his uniform in
the beginning, But otherwise it was a phaser. Maybe yeah,
it was kind of weird, but it didn't look burn.
But I enjoyed this episode every time I see it,
and I've seen it.
Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Many many times, and it's so good.
Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
A good episode. And you take Lieutenant junior grade. Picard
gallivanting around Greece. You put him in a toga and
got him a passport. I got those, Thank you very much,
doctor Susan. By the way, thanks very much, doctor Susan V. Gruner.
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Allison leech High looks like she's in like Vegas or something.
What do you think of this one?
Speaker 16 (01:05:07):
I always like this episode. Hopefully you can hear me.
I have no idea how my internet is so woo
and I like it because it is the We all
have things we've done as younger people that were like
that was not me on my best day. But we
we need to not have our best days so we
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know what to strive for for our best days. I
do agree with Melissa that I think one well changing
of one of your not best days probably wouldn't completely
change the course of your life. But I don't think.
I think this was like a little pocket universe that
Q puts.
Speaker 9 (01:05:50):
Uh oh, you just sent her to a pocket universe. Y, yeah,
we just lost you.
Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
We just lost you after pocket universe. But go ahead,
we can we can hear you now, Okay.
Speaker 18 (01:06:06):
I think you put Picard in a pocket universe so
he could experience like the effect of okay, you can
change one thing. How bad would it be just to
give Pacard that like nudgelake. You know, you have actually
built yourself a great life, even though when you were
young you might have been a little bit terrible, starting ballfight,
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bar fights and you know, cheating at dumb job.
Speaker 16 (01:06:35):
So you know, I do enjoy that. And I love
the scene where you know, pa cards in bed and.
Speaker 19 (01:06:41):
The stroking of the year and the fast full up
Like no, I'm like, I do enjoy this episode, and yeah,
never skip it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Great stuff, Thank you very much, Alison Leech Hide in
the Heart of Las Vegas. Maybe yeah, Okay, Chris Garris
is here, Chris, what's up? What did you think of
this episode?
Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (01:07:08):
This is a great episode. It is I mean, basically
echoing what everybody said. But this is episode is just
basically the second chances and you know, and Sue's right,
every one of us if it's guaranteed, has that man
if I could just redo that, you know. But I
also liked how Picard you know, of course, Q being Q,
he was like, don't mess up the timeline, Q, and
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he actually you know, said, okay, I won't mess up
at everybody, but just take care of you, because yeah,
there are thoughts, like you know, there have been, you know,
things I've thought about kind of like faith in my
own personal life, like you know, man, if I had
left or done this or that, you know, it wouldn't
have been the same. And you know, Picard gets that
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opportunity to see what his life might have been like
if he did not get stabbed in the heart, you know,
and I like, you know, I do love the banter
between him and Q. Is you know, this one's actually
good banter for a time, for a change, because you know,
he's actually like again the whole you know bed scene
that he's like, come on, dude, and you know, the
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name calling and.
Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
It's just it is it.
Speaker 10 (01:08:18):
It's it's kind of a dream to be like, man,
what if I could just redo that made that change
in my life and see how it goes and then
be like Nope, don't want to do that.
Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
But you know, unfortunately we don't have the power of
Q to do that for us.
Speaker 10 (01:08:31):
But yeah, I truly only real nitpicks I have are
with Doctor Crusher, and I will talk about those and
things left unseat.
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Ooh, that's a good one. We didn't talk about her. Uh,
but I did too have a few thoughts on that,
but we didn't discuss it. Good stuff, Thanks very much,
Chris Garrison, Southeast Texas.
Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
T J.
Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Jackson bays on the bridge of the Enterprise D otherwise
known as Missouri. What do you think of this one?
Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Oh?
Speaker 20 (01:09:01):
I've been looking forward to this one because I knieve
that it was one that you liked.
Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Ryan.
Speaker 20 (01:09:08):
We hinted at it for years and so it's a
pleasure that it's here now.
Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
I enjoyed watching it again.
Speaker 20 (01:09:15):
I don't know why so many people are mad at
Beverly that have looked forward to finding out why. Speaking
of Beverly, I thought it was funny that the card
storms into the sick Bay calling Beverly Beverly, and he
doesn't even know if Beverly is on the ship or
if he knows her, Like I mean, Jack Crusher might
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still be alive and she may never have come on
the Enterprise, but who knows, and we don't find that out,
but he gets another c scene out of that interaction.
And speaking of Q, I really enjoyed Q in this episode,
and you know, I find that, you know, when I
watched this episode years and years ago, I thought that
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Q was just being roguish like always. But now when
I watched it earlier today, I found myself thinking that
maybe the role that Q is playing is a role
that I would play, because I do find myself, you know,
asking people those kind of you know, questions about you know,
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do you really think you know that you want to
change the past or or really not accept who you are,
and that all the pieces and all the things that
happen in all the events, maybe the things that we.
Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Call bad weren't.
Speaker 20 (01:10:37):
And you know, more so more and more I find
myself thinking like Q, which is interesting and weird in
a new revelation for me. But I also appreciated the
interactions they had. One thing I will say is the
speech that Q gives the card and blue uniform when
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he's telling them, you know, hey, you know this guy
never amounted to anything. That speech lived with me, even
though you know, it was something that I mean, I
didn't have it to replay over and over it came
on TV, but that speech stuck with me, especially when
he said and he never ever got noticed by anyone.
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And I thought that John Delancey's delivery was a one,
you know, for that line to stick with me for
as long as it had. I've never forgotten that line,
you know, exact word for word, and.
Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
I think it impacted my life.
Speaker 20 (01:11:41):
I think I have to be grateful for the way
that Delancey delivered it. So I really appreciated that scene.
I also appreciate that by the end of the episode,
Malissa said it to Picard has ownly the choices that
he made. Not only that, he's accepting and grateful for it,
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and he's you know, he's not looking back at it
with regret anymore the way he was before. And so
you know, he's accepting that. You know, maybe all the
things that he think is right, in all the judgments
that he had on his past actions, maybe he can
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kind of let that go a little bit and stay Yes,
sometimes I have to push a little harder. Sometimes I
have to take that risk, and that's the right thing
to do because it's what moves us forward, or you know,
on an individual level or as captain of the ship.
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You know, he has to make that extra push or
take that extra risk. And we've seen that illustrated in
many episodes over time, not just with TNG, but we've
seen it in strange to the worlds and other things
that say, you know, maybe take him the safe what
we call the safecore or the good road or the
higher road might not always lead to the best results.
(01:13:06):
Weird thought, but there it is. The last thing I'll
say is when Perkar walked into ten forward, even though
I've seen this episode many times, I still fully expect
to see.
Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Guid in there and for that to be the person that.
Speaker 20 (01:13:24):
He's going to see, maybe even who he was hoping
to find there. Since there's some timy winy stuff going
on and we already know that, you know, she knows
when stuff is out of place in time, I really
would have liked to have seen him interact with her,
especially with Q being involved and you know that relationship.
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I kind of wonder what kind of episode it would
have been. A Gandon was there.
Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
That's what I have, man, that's great stuff. Though it's
a good point about guy. It would have been cool
to see how she would have reacted in this episode.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
T J.
Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Jackson, Bayot Misra Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear. That's an
interesting background. What did you think of this episode? First
time viewer.
Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
In it many times before, had never really paid too
much of attention, honestly to the the the conversation that
he has that Picard has with with Riker at the end.
But I'll circle back to that in a minute, of course.
It's cue I Love.
Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
You so so much.
Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
I think this is aside from the season two two
finale of season two of Picard, this is probably, I
think my favorite Q and Picard episode. The image behind
Melissa is hands down my favorite interaction of the two
of them across the entire series. It is just laugh
out love finding the way quispers morning Darling, get get three.
Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
He's adorable.
Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
Something something I noticed in the the the bar area
that has the dom Jot table and the Doncouch table
looked really cool. Seemed like a a combination of bumper
pool and a pinball table. Almost it could be fun,
could be fun to play. But if you notice in
the background there is both an Antikin and a Sally
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from Lonely Lonely among us. Dude, gotta keep, gotta keep,
We're using we're using those costumes, especially the lizard dude.
I always thought the Lizard dude looked cool, and I
found out the act the actor who plays the younger
Jean Luke when they do that recreation of it in
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the in the in the White Room. It's played by
an actor named Marcus Nash, whose sister, Jennifer Nash, played
Picard's daughter in the interal in the Inner Life, the
Scientist daughter. Apparently she she got her brother the audition
for that, and I kind of wish they'd have used
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the younger pick Card a little bit more in like
the like the stuff in the past, probably would have
made the interactions with with marda a little bit more,
a little bit more comfortable. But I yeah, I still
very very much, very much enjoy enjoy the the episode.
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To circle back to what I was what I mentioned before,
it's definitely a what what if kind of kind of episode.
You could almost you could call it either maybe it's
a wonderful trek or it's a wonderful que either other
one I think would have worked. Although I liked that
it's called Tapestry because it doesn't give away that Q
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is in is in the episode, and that revealed at
the beginning when he Card takes the hand of this
dude and white robes and suddenly you see it's cute
and he's like, yeah, You're dead and I'm God and
he's grinning, just absolutely just kills it in that same
pardon the one there, But it definitely got me thinking
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and listening to the card and record at the end
talk talk about, you know, pulling it a tapestry thoat
And by the way, my background is a collash of
various tapestries I found on a just a random Google search.
I couldn't resist having a tapestry of tapestries. But yeah,
the him saying that just definitely hit me different this time,
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and all I could think about was going back to
when I was in high school and telling telling my aunt,
who's trying to set me up with it with a guy,
a guy she knows at work. No thanks, I'm good.
If I had said no, I probably wou would not
be sitting here talking to you guys, being in deep
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into trek as I've gotten in the in the last
two years. So as much as I would like to
go back and tell my aunt, I love you, but
I'm I'm good, it probably a good thing I did say,
did say yes, But it also got me all philosophical
and IM not sure if it counts as metaphysical tjail
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I'll have to tell me, tell me if if that's
how I'm being or not. But that conversation sort of
inspired the the limericks, so it's a little little deeper
of a limericks than.
Speaker 9 (01:18:36):
Usual, But.
Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Here we do.
Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
The tapestry of one's life contains threads. Some come from events,
some from dear friends. Each one should be treasured, even
those that are that are weathered, all are required in
the end.
Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Great stuff. Thank you very much, Carrie schwent with the
tapestry of tapestries. Chris McGee is the dark lord of
dark lords. What'd you think of this one?
Speaker 11 (01:19:10):
Well, first of all, Sirok, your wish was granted. You
wanted an episode with Q that didn't have Q in
the title, and they heard congratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:19:21):
Seriously, though, this is an incredible episode and one of
my absolute favorites and so relatable for all the reasons
others have already mentioned, so I don't need to repeat them.
This DV episode, as you know DVS from the Q
norm body as mentioned, not having Q in the title
that Carrie observed, nor having him show up at the
end to gloat or whatever, and because of that does
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make one wonder as Picard wondered at the end if
what happened in this episode was real or imagined, or
maybe even some combination. Most of all, I love how
a short conversation during the second season episode Samaritan Snare
was expanded upon to become an entire episode, and an
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excellent one at that. So now we finally get to
see the naus Cans and the fight that led to
his artificial heart, which he told in his story to
Wesley on the shuttlecraft in Samaritan Snare. Nice incidentally knowing
this episode was coming up. I finally watched NAUSICAA of
the Valley of the Wind recently and was deeply moved
by it. I cannot recommend it enough. Now I have
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to see more of Miyazaki's films. Another thing I love
about this episode is the premise of someone from the
future traveling to the past to change it for the better,
and no one sees that person for who they really are.
You all know where I'm going with this, don't you?
Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (01:20:44):
So practically screams Quantum Le to me, another of my
favorite shows that was airing at the same time as
the Next Generation and sadly ended its run just a
few months after this episode Ared, Lieutenant Jay can be
seen briefly on the bridge when the Card returns to
the present, just over cards left shoulder. And Carrie mentioned
an antikin in the dom Jot scene. Well, Tracy also
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played the antikin to Corey's right in that scene.
Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I wondered about that because the movements and the height
seemed to fit her, and I know she'd played an
antakin before. Good catch, Chris. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:21:19):
And lastly, the cards laughed when he sees the blade
sticking through his chest was originally in Samaritan Stay are
described as a giddy warmth when he told that story
to Wesley. Well, now we know it was because he
was happy that his timeline was restored. At least that's
what I took away from it. There are so many
memorable quotes in this episode. The one I've chosen Isques saying,
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that's a beautiful story. Get you right here, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Yeah, that's funny, Thank you very much, dark lord with
the dark humor. Chris McGee. All right, the mad boardman,
the guy you hear heard say, oh boy when Chris
McGee was alluding to quantumly, what do you think of
this one?
Speaker 9 (01:22:01):
D Maatt, Well, this is obviously a fan favorite, and
I'm one of the fans that happens to like it, so,
you know, it's interesting. And I've said in the past
there's certain episodes that hit you different ways depending on
where you're at in life, you know, kind of sometimes
(01:22:22):
it's right here, right. But I just think it's interesting
that maybe one of the hallmarks of a successful Star
Trek episode is that it makes you think, and it
makes you reflect on your own life and where you're
at in life. And I think, you know it's that
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I love this one because as I've listened to all
of you, it's it's made every one of you reflect
back on your lives and the choices that you've made
that have led you here.
Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
Right.
Speaker 9 (01:22:53):
I had the fortune or misfortune of finding one of
my journals from high school, and as I'm reading through this,
I legit was having secondhand embarrassment for myself or some
of the things that I was reading in there, you know,
and it's like, oh, did I really Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Show was show.
Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
Actually a Star Trek journal too, shockingly right, But you know,
it reminds me of the scene in Star Trek five
when Cyback is reviewing moments in Spock and McCoy's life,
and he's, you know, let me take your pain from you,
and then he gets to Kirk, and Kirk says, I
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don't want you to take my pain. I need my pain.
Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
You know.
Speaker 9 (01:23:41):
And that is something watching that movie as a teenager
that that struck me very as very poignant, because you know, yeah,
we would love to not experience embarrassing moments. We would
love to not have, you know, made certain choices that,
in high in sight, we could have done differently. But
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all of those things make us who we are today,
and as Melissa said, we should embrace those things and
not be ashamed of those things that make us who
we are. Because you know, as I look around at
all of you here, I'm grateful for the choices that
you made, because I have a deep love and appreciation
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for all of you, and I'm grateful for the choices
that you have all made that have led you here
to this moment in time that we all get to
share together. And so I think, if anything, you know,
maybe the Picard that that life that Picard experienced of
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this lesser man, I have to agree with Melissa. Yes,
I do not think that Picard would have been that man,
but maybe Q did it as a real for a
reason to show him that you're good, you know, like
stop second guessing that one moment in your life, because
it could have been a lot worse and this is
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not who you were meant to be. And so anyway,
love Tapestry and uh yeah, it's a good, good episode
for this point in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Great stuff, Thank you very much, the Matt Boardman. All right,
Jake's final take. Sak any have final thoughts on this
particular episode?
Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Okay, yeah, I have some final thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
I first of all, would like to know what Wharf
was doing insecurity when he let the Lnarians post up
outside the conference room.
Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
With some kind of weapon.
Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
How are you allowed to board the ship in some
kind of meeting with anybody and have a weapon on you?
Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
It just that I want to know what Warf do
when he was slipping right there.
Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
And then other thing I was thinking about was when
Picard was in that moment with Q in that after
life white light room that's behind Chris Garrison reminded me
of Cisco with the wormhole aliens in the white light room,
and so I like how white light rooms are always
(01:26:22):
used for this kind of rough place for her. You know,
it's undefined. It's like, we don't really know what that's
a that's like a callback on the White Light Rooms,
and I like it. Let's see Captain Thomas Holloway. I
would like to see a whole little spin off on
(01:26:43):
you know that guy. What's he doing? He might be
somebody interesting. He happened to be the Captain when Piccuard
wasn't there, so I don't know. Maybe he's good at something.
Uh uh yeah, I was thinking about, uh that song
I just died in your arms tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I don't know why, but there my head.
Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Is that mister, mister or wait no, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know that is, but it's
it was my head.
Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
There's some things that I enjoyed about this episode. Definitely
my faving.
Speaker 12 (01:27:28):
I googled it.
Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Yeah, I felt like this is the best Q episode
I've seen. I enjoyed him. He was tolerable and this
he had a little bit of compassion and actually, for
the first time, he actually won the debate.
Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
When he goes back and forth with Picard, Picard is
always the winner in there debating. You know about principles
about morality, about the human condition, and in this instance,
uh Picard says to something to the effect of, I
admit it was a mistake. I'd rather die the man
I was than live a life I saw. So, so
(01:28:08):
he admits that trying to relive his life was a mistake,
and he would.
Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
You know, rather be the man that he was than try.
Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
To, you know, go through the obstacle of reliving all
of these things. And so technically, in this gamesmanship that
the card has with Q throughout this series, I felt
like the card has always been winning the gamesmanship. But
in this particular instance, I will give Q the win.
(01:28:42):
It seems as though he wins in this Now he
may have set up the scenario.
Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
It might not be real.
Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
I don't know if all the things are real, but
at least in the the play of wanting to rechoose
to redo things and versus just accepting the outcome of
whatever life you live, Q is right about this one,
And so I thought that made it good for me.
Definitely my favorite Q episode to watch. I'm glad there
(01:29:10):
wasn't in the title, didn't give it away, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Glad he wasn't as obnoxious as he normally is.
Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Sometimes he was slightly dialed back on it, and I
thought it was great for me. But I do have
a lot of nitpicks and I'd love to get into those.
Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Sat It's going to be fire U. Yeah, you know,
when you're talking about uh picard and trying to go
back and change it. I was actually reminded of when
they talked to the emissary on the first episode of
D Space Stein say and then why do you exist here? Right?
It's a similar message to that. All right, well, good
(01:29:48):
stuff everybody. Thank you very much to Alison Leech, Hide,
Matt Boordman, Comma, The Chris McGee, Carrie Schwent, TJ Jackson,
Bay Out in Missouri, Chris Garrett, Rris, Doctor, Susan V. Gruner,
Chuck A Faith How Melissa Longo for myself, Saracloughton, Melissa,
and mister Aaron Eisenberg. We will see you next time
(01:30:10):
unless you're joining us for things left unsaid. We're gonna
bring out our Nausick in accent action figures. Soroc and
Melissa are gonna blast this episode.
Speaker 8 (01:30:22):
Have you done your your impression?
Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (01:30:27):
He has not?
Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I did, I did the Nausick in one actually, and
Sorac said, you know, when I heard you doing that before,
I thought it was a FERINGI yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think I did it while we were recording. I
think so you did great, all right, He's like, yeah,
(01:30:48):
you no need to do it again, right all right? Well,
everybody stick around, we will see you next time. I'll
do it and things left unsaid on the seventh Rule
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