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The oulons of Marriagera to six striketwo large stones continuously during a meal.
Humans no longer own each other inthat way. Madeline seems to have a
very nice relationship with Dix. Helloeverybody, and welcome to the Seventh Rule
with Sarac Lofton. Hello. Hello, my name is Ryan t Husk,

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and today we're doing a review ofStar Trek the Next Generation season two,
episode nineteen man Hunt, written byTracy Tormy as Terry Devereaux, directed by
Rob Bowman. And this was Juneseventeenth, nineteen eighty nine, after a
looks like three week hiatus. Wherewere you? And uh, what's up,

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Sarroc, how are you today?What's up? So? Yeah,
we I was wondering this Terry DearrekDevereaux name. It did sound like kind
of like out of no wa.But so it's Tracy Tourmey, who we've
seen before, right, And Tracydecided to have this this other pseudonym as

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a writing name. Is that whatit is? I guess? So,
So I don't know why he chosethat. He was definitely, you know,
on the writing team quite a bit. Maybe they just sometimes they'll do
it if they're not proud of ascript. Sometimes they'll do it if they
don't want to seem like there wasfavoritism because he has the mel Tourme last

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name. But I don't know whatthe reason for that is. Maybe someone
will know in the Free for All. However, we have a very special
thanks to give today too, doctorBrenda Custodio for sponsoring this episode our good
friend, doctor Brenda. Thank youso much for that. And now on

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with the episode. So Siroc.Yeah, favorite episode of the year so
far. No, not favorite episodeone No, not even in the one
that category. But it is interesting. There are elements of it that are

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interesting, particularly these alien characters thatI felt like were original in their design
and costume. Extra long arms,the silvery shimmery wardrobe that was designed for
them, really kind of unusual,like a fish like alien. I thought

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they were, like, you know, it's just really cool alien design costume.
They really showed up, showed offtheir skills in this episode. When
it comes to the originality of thisparticular alien design, what about if I
told you that a very successful rockmusician played one of the antiedians. That

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would be something, and that meansthey'd have to sit there and then make
up the whole day. Well,it was Mick Fleetwood of Fleetwood Mac,
the very successful band out of theseventies and eighties, lots of great songs.
You know. Every once in awhile there's somebody that's like a really
big star trek fan that's just like, I want to be on the show

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whatever it is, and they goall right, put a fish head on
you, and it's probably like cooldeal, and then he does it and
he's like, man, I wishI was just an ensign into the hall.
I could have been a registered easyYeah, yeah, that's I think
that's to discourage other people. Theydon't want along line and people just saying,

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hey, we want to be inthis. They're like, oh you
want to be in is okay?Spread the word? Wasn't James Worthy and
a cling on at one point aboutyeah good? So another celebrity guest,
and and Ibra was obsessed with thatsinger Iggy Pop right yep, he was

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a Vorida. We also had doctorMay Jemison who was an astronaut, astronaut,
NASA astronaut and who's the other one. I'm thinking, oh, Seth
McFarlane too. He was in twoepisodes of Enterprise. If I remember correctly,
I believe it's two episodes, butthere are under under heavy makeup though

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no oh, Seth was regular,Yeah, he got to be and made
Jamison was she regular as well?Or just herself or okay? So yeah,
but under the heavy the heavy makeuppeople, I think Iggy Pop as
a Florida. You've got this Fleetwoodmac mister might mix Fleekwood himself, Yeah,

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yeah, Giant and Tedan Yeah.Yeah, So that's cool. You
know that's that's like one of thoselittle pieces of trivia. I'm sure there
are tons of others. There arealso a lot of actors and actresses that
we'll see throughout this series that we'llbe like, whoa, that's so and

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so before they've made it, youknow. Uh, Like I believe Terry
Hatcher. We saw Terry Hatcher already, right, that was interesting. And
there's Kirsten Dunst, There's Ashley Judd, a lot of people that we'll see
later. Yeah. Anyway, sothat's them's Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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The aliens were interesting. Like Isaid, again, there were other elements
that I also liked. I thoughtthe fact that they were in this catatonic
state with their eyes seemingly closed wasanother just cool touch. So I did
like their entire situation, you know, as far as their character didn't say

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much and didn't really have much todo with the plot. As a I
guess this was the B storyline,even though it came in as the A
storyline, which is a little unusualfor it to be the lead in and
not be the A storyline. Structurally, we normally see the lead in be

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the main thing. So except theyare tied into the A storyline of this
conference that's happening on this planet.So which Lawauxanas tied in with? I
thought lu Wauxana was the main storyof this episode, if you know,
stealing the show if she wasn't,But to me, it seemed that she's

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the main story. Uh. Andthis is the second time we've seen her
character, If I'm not mistaken,I believe. So we've already got experience
with her. Captain already knows herpersonality, so there was a kind of
like he already knows what he's infor. No type of thing already set
up. Oh did you notice obviouslywe had Chief O'Brien, we had another

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uh star trek Star appearing in thisepisode. It was this person's I believe
very first uh acting gig on Startrek if I I think this was their
first. It was who is BobO'Reilly Robert O'Reilly gowron himself. He was

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like the second gangster guy that wentand visited Dixon Hill. Remember the first
one pulls a gun on him,and then the second one, yea like
props him and strangles him for asecond, and then he's gone, and
then the first one comes back withlike a gatling gun, yes, or
machine gun maybe it was. Andso Bob O'Riley, you know, he
only had like one or two lines, and he looked super young and skinny.

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But it was definitely that was definitelyactually I'm sure it's yeah, there
he is. Robert O'Reilly playing scarfacewas the character. I didn't even pick
up on that. It was veryquick. Next time, Bob, make
sure your hat's not in the wayof your face is you did block your

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face with the hat, and itdidn't give us enough It didn't give me
enough time to recognize that it wasyou. So a little trick that I'm
sure you long since learned. Butopen your face up a little bit more
to the camera might have been directiontoo. They might have just said,
you know, keep it down andlow and mysterious, which is too bad

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because you want to have your faceseene you know. I'll be honest,
though, the the Dixon Hill stuffis never was never my thing. It's
just you know, and some peopleeat it up. Some people are like,
awesome, this is a Dixon Hillepisode. I can't wait. What
a deal. Madeline's going to belike, how's it going, Dix?

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You know, get in there,Dix. They're you know whatever, and
people love that kind of stuff andthen they have like their little gangster talk.
But to me, it doesn't youknow, I don't usually like stuff
from you know, late eighteen hundredsor early half of the nineteen hundreds.
That just doesn't really grab me.The one part I did like, though,

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was when Picard talks about World WarTwo, that little tongue in cheek
talk about like you know, whenthey were saying Germany is about to invade
England. He's like oh and hegoes on too this at least that was
fun for me. So, youknow, the period piece that is similar
to that that I did like whenI was growing up was Dick Tracy,

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and I do believe that there's elementsof what they're trying to pull off here
that are Dick Tracy. Like.The problem with it, and the reason
why I don't think it resonates withme as well, is that I don't
see enough alter in his persona asfar as I still see a stiffness.

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I think she called them Lwaxana saidhe still has a stiffy side, you
know, and she calls it likea stiffy side. I don't know what
she was looking at exactly, butI think that's the front. Okay,
well, let's say let's just saythat, you know, I felt like
he has this kind of, oh, stuffy, sorry, stuffy side.

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Okay, that makes a little moresense. I was stuffy side. Yeah,
he has a stuffy side, andthere's a there's a stuffy noess to
him when he plays even the DixonHill characters, like, there's not a
smoothness to him, even for example, the way he was holding the cigarette.

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He got handed a cigarette, soyou know, in that particular character,
the guy smokes a cigarette, andyou would and he would know that
if this is a program that hegoes into a lot because the guy's handing
him a cigarette like he knows thathe wants one, and the way he
handled it was stuffy in a way, like, oh, this thing,

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this thing, you know, asopposed to playing the Dix Dixon Hill character
and smoking the cigarette, lean backplaying this more smoother kind of detective guy
who's got things figured out. Andthat's where that's where I don't see enough
change behaviorally in uh Patrick Stewart's performancefrom from Picard to this character. I

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would like to see a switch wherehe smooths into this character and becomes this
alter ego of himself that's more flirtatiousand more you know, just just better
at the things that he lacks inhis own personality, do you know what
I mean? That's a really goodpoint. It's not really escapism if you're
acting like yourself, because that's whathe's doing. Like when people do this,

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it's like a fantasy. It's like, you know, if there's a
guy that's super stiff all the time, he's going to go into like a
pool party or a frat house orsomething and just like or a camping trip
and just let loose. But ifPicard is you know this stuffy, you
know, it is whatever, Captain, and then he goes into a totally

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different situation and he's still acting likethat, and he's still being rigid,
and he's still being very socially awkward, clearly an introvert, and he just
stays like that even in his fantasies. Then, and it seems more like
it's cerebral than it is escaping,you know. It seems like it's more

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like he's reading a book more thanhe's going on vacation. And I feel
like the Halid Deck, I guessit could be used for both, but
it does seem like he certainly ismuch more cerebral in his approach to the
hal Of Deck, whereas most otherpeople use the Halo Deck to get away
and to have fun and to dosome kind of fantasy situation that they don't
get to do in real life.But he can act like a regular Joe

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or you know, anywhere. Itdoesn't Well, It's like if I if
I went into an Old Wild Westprogram, I would expect to alter my
demeanor, to be ready for agunfight, to take ten space ten paces
in turn, to be drinking whiskey, you know, to be at a

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salone with the doors that flop backand forth, and just be there's a
certain saunter I would change up,just because I expected to be a badass
in a situation where I know onlythe badasses survive, right, And so
I just don't see enough of thealteration to his character when he is in

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his own element. Supposedly he walkedin that office, for example, and
it was as if he didn't knowwhere to stand and what to do in
this office that is his playground,right, It's like when a kid goes
on the playground. They grab theball, they played a tether ball,
they run, they do the hopscotch. They don't need to stand around and

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look around, like what do wedo here on the playground? You know,
It's like they just get into theplayground. You play handball, you
do something right, you raise somebody, play tag, You get in the
spirit of the place that you're in. And when he was walking into that
office, if that is his officethat he often goes to, he would

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open a drawer and know that there'sa box of cigars there waiting for him.
He would know certain elements of thatspace because he's been in there a
lot and it's something that he feelssuper comfortable with me that he cranked.
You know, he had the musicon which I was an element I wanted
to talk about a little bit.Yeah, it was a cute song,
whatever it was. I didn't recognizeit, but I was like, oh,
that's not actually listen to the lyrics. You know. I actually enjoyed

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the little lyrics for that moment.That was pretty good. But I do
see what you mean. It's kindof like, why would you go to
you know, a rise a beachprogram on the holidack, but then show
up in like a suit and thenwalk around on the No, you're gonna
get into You're if you're gonna dothat, you're gonna go play volleyball or
go play in the water or whatever. And yeah, he doesn't. And

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and to your point about the WesternI can totally picture that. I feel
like within ten seconds of walking around, you kind of look, you see
the the barns and the saloons andthe people walking around the horses, and
you just kind of would get intoa groove. You would just kind of
be like, all right, thisis nice. You know, you kind
of get in a nice little swageror saunter and you get you get into

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the you get into the vibe ofit, you know, you feel you
start feeling it, but he doesn't, and so it's tougher for us too.
But that's it just seems like thesefirst couple of seasons, they're really
showing how introverted and anti social CaptainPicard is. It's almost crippling in a

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lot of ways. You know,like he can't handle kids. He's not
good with the Waxano t Troy makingpasses at him. I mean, obviously
it's because he's not interested, butat the same time, he doesn't handle
it well. You know, althoughit was very funny when he brought data
in, but you know, thereare a lot of things that are that
are crippling to him, and it'sall social things and he says the wrong

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you know. Sometimes he's too curtwith people, are too rigid. But
I mean even his own secretary inthe program was surprised that he asked her
out for the drink, right,She's like, you want to hang out
with me? Like, you're aloner, you're awkward, You're the guy
who's socially awkward to you. Youdon't want you don't want me to talk
to you, want me to leaveyour messages on the desk and not even

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verbally tell you what it is goingon, because you have the system that
is in play where I have toyou know, write things down, not
talk to you, leave it onthe desk, and be very short with
you in our in my little briefin action that I had with you on
your way to your office. Andit doesn't show, it doesn't show a
good social side of him, whichis interesting because once again the theme of

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the show is to explore uh culturesand new new civilization in life. So
you the guy you would say togo introduce everybody, is not the guy
who doesn't have the social skills toeven get along with his own team mates.
You know, you would have aperson more interested and curious about,

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you know, people and their behaviorand studying them and and and you know,
maybe playing into some of their thingsand not being so rigid sometimes.
But that's how he plays it.And you know it's it's it's just a
choice. It's part of his choice. I wonder if it, you know,
like if I wonder if the characterof Captain Bakar is like he he

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knows he's an introvert. He knowshe's rigid, and he goes to the
thing that's like still kind of rigidand still kind of structured, but a
little cooler, a little looser.It's like his therapy. I mean,
there's something where it's like it's likejust dipping his toes in in something a
little different. Maybe he's just doesn'twork well with well, he does go

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to Riza. We will see oneor two episodes of him on Riisa that'll
be coming up well. To hiscredit, he also may be facing some
of his fears by accepting this positionto explore, and he may be challenging
himself to try to overcome those deficienciesthat he knows he has. So this

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may be a show that is anattempt to try to work out that therapy
of him, you know, selfhealing in this particular aspect his personality.
So maybe that's what the show ingeneral is trying to seek to do,

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and over time we will see himloosen and soften and grow bonds and become
more compassionate in certain areas. Youknow, I don't want to limit the
possibilities before I see what's where itgoes, you know, but from from
my from this perspective, at leastin this alter ego persona on Dixon Hill,

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I don't see enough to distinguish himfrom this alter ego or this fantasy
that he likes to play out.There's not enough switch and change in his
behavior that lets me lets me getinvolved into the episode where I'm happy to
see, Oh, let me gosee this side of the car, because
this is going to be the coolper car guy, you know, yeah,

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the one like Data Carlos. He'slike, this is Nails from Chicago
and this is Carl from South Americasomewhere. Yes, pretty good, good
old Data. He knows how toget into character. Yeah, and Data
has fun. He has so muchfun and within the parameters of certain rigidity

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that he has to his performance right. So he actually used his rigidity as
part of his comedy and his stiffnessis part of his his shtick, you
know, like when he was invitedto the dinner that was for that had
to be the highlight of the episodefor me, was you know, the

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card's just thinking how do I getout of this? What do I do?
And he's just like, oh,oh boy, I'm really curious.
Commander Data, what's the answer towhatever the thing was. He's like,
this is fascinating, come on over, and Data is just like a pig
and shit there he's so happy he'stelling He's like, oh well, then
there's also this and he started bringingup like graphs. Suff that's great,

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that's the perfect use for Data.That was a very memorable scene to me.
In fact, I think that's theonly scene I really remembered from this
episode. I remember seeing the antiediums. I remember, you know, these
fish people, and I remember itbeing mc fleetwood. But other than that,
the only other thing I remember wasData's role in that dinner party for

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two and we got to see peoplemister Home or hom Yes, that was
the other moment that I thought wasone of the better moments of this episode,
when Picard comes in with that bottomof his hand and mister Home grabs
a bottle and just kind of downwas the whole thing. I thought that

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was a nice little fun Wales moment. But you know, here's the problem
with that guy. I never knowwhether to call him mister Ham or mister
Home. And I think it's becauseuh majorl. Roddenberry pronounces it both ways.
She called him home a couple oftimes, and then in the last
time she mentioned she said come alonghome. She said come along home,

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which made me think of move alonghome. And so I'm like, now
I know why I never remembered howto pronounce his name is because it's been
said both ways. It's been saidHam and home. It's very confusing for
me. Well, on the subtitlesit's spelled h o m n oh,

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it should be two ms hm.I don't know what I said on the
subtitles, but that's what they I'mpretty sure that's the name, and I
love that actor. He's got somekind of uh how tall is he Belgian?
Belgian or Dutch? That's like,where is he carl striking? So

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that's got to be for sure Dutchor maybe Belgian. I don't know Carol,
Carol's striking. Let me see ifit says how tall he is.
He looks like he's seven to twoor something like that, right, Yeah,
he looks huge. Yeah, Idon't see it. Oh, but

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let's uh. I'm gonna keep looking, but let's hop to our quick break
and then on the other side wemay have an answer for you. Right
back on the seventh rule, Hi, everybody, Welcome back to the seventh
Rule with sarrock lofton. You knowwhat we're doing. We're having a blast.
Here come the trivioids of the week. We only have three more episodes

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of the second season already, ifI remember correctly, Nuts all right,
it's no only twenty two because itwas like strike shortened because they're already in
un you know. So they goas follows. The Enterprise is tasked with
transporting Antiedian dignitaries. Got a bunchof them today. Luoxana Troy is the

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daughter of the fifth house holder ofthe Sacred Chalice of Ricks put a pin
in Ricks, heir to the HolyRings of Beta Z. Humans no longer
own each other in that way.Mister Ham drinks all of Captain Picard's blue
beverage. Captain Picard really wants toknow how many other cultures give thanks for

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their food. The Uhlans of theUhlans of Marajaritis six strike two large stones
continuously during a meal. Data's anecdotesare the stuff of legend. On the
ship, Wesley thinks wharf is handsomefor a klingon. Germany's getting ready to
invade England. Dix had a snootfull already Luoxana, Troy takes the turbo

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tube or whatever you call it.Rex doesn't have a last name. Rex
saved his best stool for Losana andMadeline has a great relationship with Dix.
So what rhymes with Dix is Rixand she says, hold her of the
sacred chalice of Rix. The reasonthat caught my attention is because Rix r

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I x X is also the nameof Captain Rix, who was in one
of the very first episodes in thefirst season. He was a bullyon He
was like a pinkish purple bullion CaptainRix. Let's see if I can pull
him up. See if you rememberthis guy. It was when they were

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first talking about they were first talkingabout. Uh, it's played by Michael
Berryman TNG conspiracy. Remember when theyhad they went on the planet and they
had like the three or four youknow, captains and admirals and stuff.
Check this guy out. I'll pullup a picture here. I don't remember

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to answer your question, Ryan,No, I I got lost with Ris
Rex, Dicks, Dix. Thisa lot of things happening in this episode.
Okay, I remember that guy though. Yeah, in the first season
conspiracy that they had the three orfour of them went down on a planet
and there was like an admiral,there was a lady. There was this

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guy, and uh so that's CaptainRix. I don't think did he die?
I don't think so. I thinkhe's still around. But anyway,
so his name is Captain Rix rI x X, which is exactly the
same as the Chalice of Ricks.So it's like, is there some kind
of connection or is this just acoincidence. I don't know. I'm way

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somebody's got to know. The faceis about to make me catch the phase.
Speaking of the phase, I wanteddid you see the look on Riker's
face to hate those a few moments, But the look on his face when
Deanna tells him, yeah, youknow, your sex drive quadruples and then

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she's like more, even more,and he's like more and big old Rikers
smile. He's like, yeah,we're staying together. You're not going anywhere.
How old are you now? Howclose are we? The answer is
actually the answer answer to Carol Striking. It says Carol Striking is a vegetarian

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and likes gardening. He is sevenfoot zero seven feet and he is Dutch.
Yeah, definitely a Dutch name.And he also played was it Lurch
or yeah, I think it's Lurch, the Adams Family guy. I think
right. He looks famillionar. I'veseen him before at the conventions too.

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Actually, yes, he's definitely beento those. Yeah, the Adams Family
anyway, So I like him andI think it's really cool because he's a
funny actor for somebody that has nolines, they still give him funny moments
and he acts them well. Youknow, he just when he drank the

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blue drink and he goes, youknow, makes little faces. You know,
he's pretty good. Speaking of faces, the face that Picard makes and
the end of the teaser when Lolasaida says Sean Luke, what naughty thoughts?
And he kind of does this lookon his face like, you know,

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like he's just he gets embarrassed.You know. Love the look on
his face. You think he wasthinking, uh, it's a setup,
It's a setup. It reminds meof I was in the library as a

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kid one time and we were takingsome kind of you know, standardized test
in the library that day, anda friend of mine walks next to me
and he farts really it's a quietlibrary farts real out right next to me.
And then he says, oh,it's a rock, And so everybody
turns and looks at me, andthere's there's no way to get out of

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that fast enough before you just justset up right laugh you laugh, You're
like, no, I didn't,but it's too late, because the more
you deny it, the more everybodyelse thinks it's you anyway. So it's
a setup. And to me,that's the same feeling that you know,
it was like I heard that storyStrock, and I heard it a little
differently. Yeah, that's all.Yeah, but it's a setup and there's

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no way to get out of itfor p Card because she's claiming to read
his mind. We know she's abetazoid, so she has the ability to
do that. And all he cansay is that's not what I'm thinking.
But everybody is going to make itlook worse anyway. So to me,
it's like it doesn't matter whether hewas thinking that or not. It's a
setup, That's what I mean.It kind of reminds me of that story.

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So, and speaking of La Wauxana, there is an element to her
that I can't help but feel theLucille Ball vibes every time she pops around,
the same way that Lucille Ball wouldlike to make it all about her
and her adventure. Didn't matter whatwas going on, she would find a

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way to just take over the wholesituation. That's how lu Wauxana Troy is.
Every time she shows up, it'sshe just takes over and it's like,
Okay, we just got to dealwith her and I'll make it,
make it through. It's almost thesame effect that Q has, you know,
it's but hers is more comical.So it reminds me of you know,

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I love Lucy. Yeah, itreminds me of I love Lucy.
And no, just I was kindof thinking, uh, just kind of
veering from that a little bit becauseshe kind of had the moment of the
episode where she says, oh,these guys are assassins their plan and know

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whatever, and so it gave her, you know, the climax, you
know, like a five second climax, which wasn't really As I was watching
the episode, I kept thinking,like, when is this going to build
up? Where's the conflict, where'sthe I mean, there was conflict,
but I guess I mean where's theclimax, where's the tension, where's the

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you know, the build up,and it wasn't coming. And then all
it was was her just saying,Oh, these guys are assassins. They
didn't even like pull out guns,they didn't like transport, and then there's
like a few minute struggle or stress. They walked away just peacefully. She's
like, oh, their assassins andthey're like, oops, you got me
here, Let's just go walk toholding like that was so that felt like

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a kind of a letdown, andI was just thinking it definitely had this
episode the bones of something that couldhave been very good, and I think
it's that they should have given usmore higher stakes. Right throughout the episode,
what if before we even see lockson a Troy, they're saying,

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we're transporting these two dignitaries to thisconference that is said to be very dangerous.
It has a high terrorism rate orthere's a high threat where there's a
high something right, and so it'sa stressful thing. And then walks on
a Troy shows up and Deanna Troy'seven more stressed. She's like, mother,
you can't go to this. It'sa dangerous this is a dangerous conference.

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It's a dangerous peace conference or somethinglike that. So then the tensions
building because she's getting closer and closerto going to this thing that's unsafe.
And then at the end, ifshe finds the people and she says,
oh, actually, here are theassassins right here. They're blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah, then itkind of, you know, it gives
us just a little bit more it, you know, gives us a little

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bit more of the satisfaction of somethingbeing solved or a solution to some kind
of tense problem. I don't know, it's just a thought. No,
I get it. I didn't feellike the stakes were high enough. I
didn't feel like there was any goingin danger or anything serious where it was
ever going to come out of anything. There was nothing on the line.

(34:51):
The only thing that was seemed seriousto me in this episode was uh Deanna
Troit's feelings being hurt when Lwaxana askher about Riker and the face that she
gave like the she literally felt like, you know, damn, mom,

(35:12):
you know, really, did younotice Diana Troy tripping when she came out
of the turbo lift towards the endthere, No, she fully tripped.
I watched it like five times,Like right at the end when she and
mister Home and uh walks on aTroy are walking out of the turbolift together.
Troy kind of stumbles and she looksat mister Home and then she stumbles

(35:37):
more and she and she almost saysthis thing where it's like she assumes they're
not going to keep the take becauseshe fully stumbled. But you know,
she just did what any professional actorwould do, which is nobody yelled cut.
So I guess, I guess we'regoing with this. I guess we're
still gonna keep going. She dida good job of just kind of like

(35:58):
rolling with it, but she stumbledpretty significantly there. If anybody hasn't seen
it, go back and check itout. It's like the last minute,
maybe the last two minutes. Yeah, I didn't see that. But what
I did see was when Wharf kindof had his hands the sleeves rolled up
and he was digging into the andthen Anti Dean's food and I was and

(36:24):
I was thinking to myself, whatis he going to fucking hand feed them?
Like they're like, are they seals? I didn't know what he was
planning on doing, Like is thatthe culture like the hand feed them the
way he was doing because he justhad his sleeves rolled up. Like I
got this, and like I justlike I've been preparing for this my whole

(36:49):
life. I'm I'm on it.Did you get did you get a little
grossed out when the Antiedians were eatingtheir whatever? Mikula, yeah, slurping,
Yeah to cut away, guys,we don't need to see this for
a while. I was actually surprisedbecause usually I don't get grossed out too
easily, but like that actually workedon me. All the sounds and the

(37:14):
stuff swirling around, and that thefact that they stayed on there for a
while, you know, that's whatit was, where they just they just
kind of stayed on there uncomfortably long. I think that's what got me.
And I'm like, these are thepeople you want joining the federations? What

(37:35):
are they bringing to the table.They vermiculate, you know, their chair,
their their chir right, they've gotbobs in their lining and their goat.
I don't understand why the federation didn'tdo a better job kind of I
don't know going through there, thepeople's what are the qualifications to enter into

(38:00):
the Federation and what kind of processesthere that you kind of, you know,
siphon out people. I don't understandhow that works, but this one
definitely filled in the radar for aFederation intelligence because they missed a boat on

(38:22):
this, and like you said,it was very anti clomatic at the man
like, oh there, assassins.See you later. I thought that was
terrible. Okay, here's something foryou, Sorak, here's something for you.
There was one other scene that Ido remember from way back in the

(38:42):
day, and I didn't remember whatepisode this scene was in. I just
remember this moment, and the momentwas that Data fully laughs. Riker is
talking about locks on a Troy toWes and Data, you know, on
the bridge, and he's kind ofmaking fun of her. They're having a

(39:04):
you know, a laugh at thereat her expense, and he's like,
oh and then she does this andthen whatever, and then West and Data
share a laugh and Data goes like, oh, now he's got kind of
his back turn to us, butyou can definitely see he laughs. And
then a card comes in and he'slike, oh, that's enough or whatever,
and he turns back to the frontwhere the camera can see him still

(39:29):
kind of smiling and grinning, andso, of course that's one of those
things where there's a big difference betweenthe production reason and the in universe reason.
The production reason is a director ora writer, producer or the actor
made a choice that Data laughed,and now thirty five years later, in

(39:52):
hindsight, we go, Data shouldn'tbe laughing. That's a mistake right in
universe, very easily explained. Theyjust say, oh, well, he's
just trying to be more human.He just has a subroutine or an algorithm
that lets him know, Hey,now's the time to laugh. If I
want to act more like a human, I'm going to laugh when they laugh,

(40:13):
you know. So it was justone of those interesting things where you
could say, like, I cansee the end universe explanation, and I
could guess what the production explanation mightbe. But it was just weird.
When I was a kid first seeingthat, I was like, what the
heck, Data's not supposed to laugh. So you caught that as a kid
and you thought that was strange thathe was laughing. I was livid.

(40:36):
Yeah, so you're upset about it. I was just kind of like,
what the heck, And so Iremembered that moment, you know whatever,
it's been for twenty years or whatever, but I didn't remember what episode that
was in. I just remember itwas kind of earlier on because they didn't
have a full grasp of the characterquite yet. And so when I saw
it, I was like, ah, there it is. I'm not crazy.

(40:58):
I knew. I remembered him laughing. It's stuck out. Yeah.
You know. One thing that itstuck out for me was that luau Sana
is also the computer. Yeah,and there was a moment there where she
was talking to the computer, soshe's talking to herself, and I was

(41:22):
trying to notice the way in whichshe alters her voice for her character as
opposed to for the computer totally.And I thought that she does a very
good job of the computer voice,taking all her emotion out of it and
being very you know, monotone andfuturistic and sounding as the computer to me.

(41:42):
And then the difference that she hadshe completely acted like she doesn't recognize
her own voice as the computer whenshe was playing Luwaksana and puts a little
twang in her Voice's love sna anda little bit alteration in her voice.
So I thought that's something that iscredit to her skills. It's very professional.
And anybody that doesn't know who doesthe voice of the computer, anybody

(42:05):
that's just you know, average personwatching this, they wouldn't say, hey,
that's the same voice. You wouldn't. There's no connection there at all.
We know that, but we youcan't tell from the performance because yeah,
her luoxana voice is higher. Itdances around on those higher and I
was like, oh, I don'tknow, child, child, you blah

(42:25):
blah blah blah blah, you know, and she's kind of it's whimsical.
It's light, it's higher pitched.He's like you said, it's got a
twang. And then the the computerit's low, it's matter of fact,
and it's just, you know,almost like a slow staccato like dat da

(42:45):
da da da da da da kindof thing, you know, And it's
just so you don't you don't evenrealize it's the same person. I can't
imagine anybody that doesn't know is herwhatever of guess it's the same person.
So it's I agree, the talentgood talent. Also a question that popped
up to me. And I don'tknow what the science is on the transporter

(43:08):
beaming, but this is something thatjust an inter nerd and me kind of
thinks about when I see stuff.And the thing that I thought about was
one of the at the end whenLuixana's transporting and she does that good final
like Jean Luke, you know againabout him having a nasty thought, but

(43:29):
she's talking during the transporting, andso she's she's kind of phasing out,
but there's but she's still talking.And it made me think, you know,
question for Mohammed Nora, I guess, but is it possible to keep
talking during a transport while you're inthe process of actually being wouldn't you be

(43:54):
in the process of separating those atomsor molecules at some point, and would
the sound still be able to wouldyou still be able to talk with not
only your local cords still in placeexactly because they're being beamed out. I
just don't know. That is avery interesting thought. I never considered that.

(44:17):
I mean, my immediate thought isyes, because they can. It
just seems like they would, becauseotherwise they're like in suspended animation for a
few seconds where they they can't talk, they can't see, presumably they can't
breathe, they can't move, youknow. But then at the same time,
imagining that if your molecules are beingtaken apart and put back together,

(44:43):
you wouldn't think you'd be able totalk or breathe or see or any of
those things, Like you're the howcould you? How could you? So
yeah, I don't know, Inever thought of that, but I think
in the Star Trek universe, yes, you can still breathe and talk and
do all those things, but thinkingabout it, seems like you wouldn't be
able to. It seems like,well, this is the first time I've
seen it done to my knowledge,where somebody is mid beaming and still talking,

(45:09):
and they actually slowed that sequence down. So normally, when you're beaming
out, they kind of go rightinto the dispersed matter, white kind of
lines dissipated look really quickly. Butin this particular last beam out scene and

(45:29):
shot, they actually beamed her outover a longer period of time and showed
that this mentally happening over a longerperiod of time, long enough to get
the line out about the card havingnasty thoughts about her. So I thought
that was a different thing that Ihadn't seen before. I'm like, well,

(45:52):
who have I seen before this midsentence or actually complete a sentence that
they're getting beamed out. Well,here's a question for you. Who gets
the home run of the day?Home run of the day? Yeah,

(46:14):
I'm going to give it to thethe wardrobe guys in the in the makeup
people for the an Tedians, They'regonna get it for me. I uh.
A lot of things left a lotmore room for me to like.
I wanted to like this story alot better, just didn't come across.

(46:37):
All the pieces were good or elementsthat I felt could have been used better,
but warrant So the thing that Iwas impressed most about was the Entadians
costume and look. And so Iguess the makeup and wardrobe department. Yeah,
that's where I am as well.Definitely the makeup for me because it's

(47:01):
a very different and new kind ofalien. You could see where the eye
holes were for the actors inside tosee through. That's an old trick you
have, like wrinkles in the frontthat people can just see through the slits.
So definitely the makeup department, andsecondarily for madel Rodenberry for the reasons
we just mentioned a few minutes ago. She's amazing and everybody says she was

(47:24):
an absolute wonderful human. Wish Iwould have met her. You have,
so she also gets secondary one.Here are our friends that we want to
give a special thanks too, andtheir names are Homer Frazell, doctor Anne
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(47:47):
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(48:09):
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(48:30):
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(48:52):
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(49:15):
Leech Hide. We have Jason oakinMy Live in Tokyo, Marcia Classic Schreier,
Greg Kenzo, Carrie Schwent, TheMatt Boardman, and the Dark Lord
Chris McGee. All right, didwe have any Oh so sorry? Jake
Cisco guesses the IMDb score. WHOAis it higher or lower than Carol Strikan's

(49:45):
height? He's seven feet tall?Seven? Yeah, way lower, way
lower? OU's alls Will Wheaten inthis episode? Uh too tall? No?
I was yeah, too tall foreven this episode. I was tall

(50:07):
Jones. I'm gonna I'm gonna benice and give it a five. Boy,
that is very nice, Straw.Does anybody else have any guesses that
doesn't already have? Six point eight? What? Five? Seven? Five?

(50:29):
Can I go? I've literally literallydidn't hear you. That's why I've
said watch. Oh yeah, nosix point eight. I'm gonna go off
of This is not my score,but this is what I'm guessing other people
are feeling about this episode, rightthe sco B. Yeah, I see,
So if the public score is beingmaybe you know, five and a

(50:50):
halfish, I wouldn't go with thathigh personally. All right, Sue's pissed.
You're gonna get it now, Jason. It is on IMDb a six
point one. These people have nosense of humor. Agreed to agreed?

(51:13):
Did anybody catch the non appearance mentionof the day? Is it Jordie?
Doesn't he count because she went likethis and she didn't mention his name,
but she mentioned him with his advisor, But then it didn't end up being
him, right, because that waskind of like I assumed the next scene

(51:34):
we're gonna see JORDI. Yeah,that's why it's a non appearance mentioned what
I mean? But I mean,are we sure that she was referencing Jeordie?
Because she I thought she was referencingJeordie, but then they went to
Riker. Yeah, but he's theonly one that has the He was actually

(51:57):
seen in the script for that.It was the actually got to and they
cut it out. Yep, Imean did not appearance. Mentioned is walks
On's husband, right, all humanmen, all human men. That means
Ryan, it's Rack. Yeah,so Jordi walks On his husband, whose

(52:20):
name I don't remember, but hedoes appear in a later episode. Awesome.
I thought I heard myself Ryan.Yeah, they said what will be
Madeleine? She said Ryan Ginger firstfor a second, I'd like, but

(52:42):
no, not that. Yeah anyway, Uh, Malisse Alongo, can you
please get us off on the righttrack. Yeah. So I think this
episode had some fun moments for Dance. I really like the scene in Picard's

(53:02):
ready room between Picard, Riker,and Troy and they're talking about the batazoid
phase and Riker's reactions in that scenewere just priceless. I don't know,
he stole that scene for me,and especially the way he looked at Troy

(53:25):
when she was talking about and moreand he's like, you didn't tell me
that? She said, I didn'twant to frighten you. But he has
a way of looking at her likehe doesn't look at the other women that
he has been with. The thereis a something a little bit different in

(53:51):
the way that he looks at hercompared to everyone else, and I like
that. I find mister home thoroughlymusing. He's quite the lush He's funny.
Wharf's line when he's talking about meantiediums, what a handsome race,

(54:17):
that was funny too. And thenwhen the Antidians were eating after they first
woke up, I said you becauseit was so disgusting gross. And then
I'll finish up with by saying thatthe the scene between Pulaskian and Troy bothered

(54:43):
me quite a bit, and Iwill tell you why during Things Left Unsaid,
along with my other nitpicks. Whata tease, excellent teas. Uh,
thank you very much, Malisse Alongofa Howel hanging out on the bridge
of the Enterprise. What did youthink of this episode? I will just

(55:06):
go ahead and jump in. Ilove this episode. Anything with Lawaxanna Troy
in it, I'm sold. Ilove her to pieces, maybe partially because
she is the Queen of Trek,but She's just so joyful and fun to
watch, and I think if shewas a real person, I would love
to just be in her presence.And also her dresses are just thank you.

(55:31):
So yeah, I was kind ofstruck that I remember viscerally these fish
people from watching as a child,but I had no memory of other than
La Woxana being there, anything elsebeen in the episode, And I wonder

(55:52):
if it's just as a child,it just went right over my head.
Probably I had no idea what wasgoing on, what they were talking about,
and so it got deleted from thememory banks. But so it was
almost like watching a whole new episodein that respect. So it's really entertaining,
and I love how she plays offof Picard, and I can't wait

(56:13):
to see the group's responses as thatdevelops. But yeah, I'll just leave
it with I absolutely love her notalone. My is live in Tokyo.
What did you think of this episode? Well, let me put it this
way. I thought i'd do alittle riff on our fearless leader, doing

(56:34):
what I call the Ryan rap.As you when you start out some of
these episodes, we'll go with CaptainPicard welcomes the Entedians to blank stares.
Wesley is not a fan of sashimi. Wharf is not enamored of their resting
bitch face, but of the handsomenessof their resting fish face. Locks on
a stops locks on a stops byfor a Yeager visit. Yeger means hunter.

(56:57):
Picard's dress uniform reveals more than hisankles ambassador choice fondness for the reveal
clearly rankles a dinner invitation for one. Loxana takes the term tis the season
to an entirely new level. Misterham Charm's right mister Home chimes right in
in gratitude for the meal and dataunknowingly wait Data unknowingly bores with excessive data,

(57:21):
and Picard is grateful uh In conferencewith Riker and Diana, Picard mistakenly,
perhaps appropriately so for this episode,refers to her as the goddess of
the hunt by calling her Diana,and Riiker grins at the thought of multiples
of four or more. The Chancellorhas a scar, Lowaxana likes her fish
with sauce, and Mick is carryinga bomb. Deanna sees Riker as her

(57:45):
Imzadi, Lowaxana simply sees him asa hot body back to you, Ryan.
That is a great background too.By the way, I missed that
before. You've got Fleetwood back,but you've got a fish head on Mike
Fleetwood. Very good. Did youadd that yourself? I did? Looks
great, that's an A plus goodstuff. Jason m Oakin is here everybody,

(58:10):
and thank goodness for that. Whatdid you think of this episode that
you loved very much? Well,Rian, I have one word for it,
filler, And sometimes it's sometimes filler. Episodes can be good when there
are too many of them, andthe way they're done can certainly give you

(58:30):
a different kind of an impression.You can say the Trials and for relations
is a filler, But what afiller? It's fun, it's exciting.
Again, there are even an episodesthat are not particularly great. There's you
know, there's scenes, their moments, and there are some here for sure,
maybe for you know, for fivejokes at full flat. One's funny.

(58:51):
And I'm having a hard time figuringout what is this episode about.
It doesn't seem to be about anythingother than certainly giving Majel her showcase,
and it's wonderful to watch her.But the question is, again, is
it really a good Star Trek episode. Is it fun to watch? To
some degree, yes it is,But overall I think as a Star Trek

(59:12):
episode, it leaves a lot tobe desired. There are quite a few
things I can say, and I'llsay them for later, but I think
if the episode was preserved more inthe way it was originally intended, it
may have been better. Some ofwhat was cut may have made it a
little bit more at least meaningful,although it would still have been for the

(59:34):
most part, to filler, andthere are too many of those in the
second season, and we will concludeprobably the ultimate filler for the second season.
But overall, it's I don't wantto say it's forty two to forty
three minutes I will never get back, but a lot of it kind of
feels like that. I think it'smore than that because you've watched it more

(59:57):
than once. Man, I'm sorryto say two hundred minutes. Jason,
I got to stick up for Ryan. He has way more than one out
of five flat jokes the episode thatthere is a friend, everybody that's a
friend. I second thought too,Alison Leech Hide, please save us and

(01:00:28):
buy us. I mean me,let's bring on the bad jokes. I
love bad jokes. They make mesay I concur but more emotions are passed
ohheartedly. So I do enjoy thisepisode. I have always enjoyed this episode.
I love Troy in her Mom episodesbecause she does not hide the fact

(01:00:54):
from everyone that her mother is alot, and especially for the line of
please mother, do not do thisto me on the bridge in front of
the entire crew, like oh mom, No, I'm like, go,
you putting up your boundaries, lettingeveryone know your boundaries, like mom my,

(01:01:15):
mom is too much. You allknow so. And you know,
Waxana loves Deanna and so she takesit on the chin like I still love
you and I'm gonna be me.And they both annoy each other to no
end and appreciate each other to noend, and I love their relationship and
it's always fun to watch. SoI always enjoy them. And you know,

(01:01:38):
yeah, we got O'Brien like rightin the beginning, so happy to
see him. Happy to see RobertO'Reilly in his first Star Trek appearance.
So that's exciting. He was scarface. Thank you Memory Alpha for telling me
the way that we would have missedit because I'm used to you know,

(01:01:58):
all the makeup, you know,so you know, there's a bunch of
fun little lines. But I lovethe ending with how again this is for
O'Brien is the Entedians are just fullof high explosives and he takes it like,
no, I'm not scared, thisis cool. No, no facial

(01:02:22):
expression change of you know, Iwas just about to teleport people with a
lot of explosives on them, likeit could have gone wrong. No,
it's all cool, this is fine. So those are the type of things
I like to catch. So Ienjoy the episode. I watch it all
the time. It's fun. Yeah, great stuff. Well, Brian really

(01:02:43):
should check for explosives when he's beamingpeople into important, dignitary conferences. Maybe
that should be a thing. Whatdo you think, doctor Susan V Gruner?
Your thoughts on this episode and theoutfits, Well, they get an
A and I could nitpick this todeath, but instead I'm going to give

(01:03:04):
it a ten because I love MajelBarrett. I love anything she does in
Star Trek. She can get awaywith it for sheer entertainment value. This
episode is awesome. I already Iwrote that I love her clothes. You
believe that she's a little wacky.She's a little eccentric. Again, she
plays it so well. But whatI really liked about this the most is

(01:03:28):
that they show that older women canbe sexually in their prime. And back
then that was not a thing.I mean, when I grew up,
I was told that when I gothrough menopause, you know things are going
to change in my life. Andall I can say is that Laxana Troy
is absolutely right in her phase whateveryou want to call it, and I'm

(01:03:52):
so glad that they brought that upin this episode. I loved it,
And yeah, I have some nitpicks, but for the most part, A
plus fun. It was fun.A plus review to you, doctor Susan
V. Krooner. We've got theMatt boardman here, everybody, what's up

(01:04:15):
the Matt? What do you thinkof this episode? Well, this episode,
I watch it and I think,Watsana she's got a feva and the
only prescription is more of a codbell. I sorry that sounded more like
data as the as the comedian,I should have finished that off with badundo.

(01:04:38):
I mean, Carlos Fiva. Thisepisode is fun. There's just a
lot about it that that is sillyand wacky, and I think Star Trek
needs that. I mean, wedon't get that now because we have such
short Star Trek seasons and so rewatchingthis helps me to appreciate these types of

(01:05:04):
episodes that that maybe don't really domuch in terms of, you know,
an overall story, but they're justthey're an opportunity for the cast and the
crew to hopefully have a little bitof fun. I every time I see
Majel as Waxana, I always kindof like, I have this thought,

(01:05:26):
like is that just Magel or diddid Majel later on in life eventually become
Lausana Because I remember in two thousandand eight I went to STLV and Rod
and Trevor were Trevor Roth were upon stage and they're they're talking about roddenberry
dot com and I think they weregetting ready to launch the store that they

(01:05:49):
used to have on there, andlike Magel joins them on stage and she
was every bit Waxana to Rod,Like I mean, it was it was
hilarious because you'd start talking about somethingand she would go but but but Rod,
I why would you do that?I don't understand. And like Rod,
for his part, was trying likehe was trying to be like patient

(01:06:11):
with her, but you could alsosee those undertones of like he was a
little annoyed that she's like questioning everything. You know. It was like that
little kid that's like, ah,mom, come on, come on.
But it was very very Luxana,And so I always appreciate her appearances as
as Luxana because she she brings funto it and uh and and a levity
that that we don't always get insome of these especially these early next Gen

(01:06:35):
episodes. And then the one lastthing that I noticed this time around was,
you know, we get call MIENIand for some reason, I don't
know if it was the camera angleor what, but it was like I
was looking at it and I waslike, man, he looks so young
in this episode. And I meanwe've seen him before, but I was
like, wow, hello babyface.Bob O. Riley looked super young too

(01:06:59):
for that too seconds that he comesout from under his hat. Good stuff
there, the Matt Boardman. Thanksvery much, Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear
your thoughts. I love this episode, walks On. It completes my my
trio of favorite characters with Q andKewan Wesley. I love how over the

(01:07:21):
top she is. Her fashion isalways always on point, and I honestly
think, and I as I'm takingmy notes for this, I finally decided
I'm positive that she knows Picard doesn'tlike her, but she says what she
does to him just for the pleasureof watching him squirm. You will never

(01:07:44):
convince me otherwise, because there's noway he really he really does. So
she said that just to watch himsquirm, and I think it's hysterical every
single time she does it. AndI decided the song for the song for
this episode is we got Daryl Halland John Oates in there Dixon Hill attire
behind me. Thanks to a funlittle AI generator I found is Man Eater

(01:08:10):
taking notes through the song. That'sI heard that song in my head as
I was taking notes over the lastcouple of days for this episode. And
so of course since I did didthem, I had to throw make Fleetwood
in there in his Dixon Hill attireDixon Hill attire too. Yeah, I'm
not a hugest fan of Fleetwood,mac Eric likes them a lot, a

(01:08:31):
lot more personally to Steve Nixon's voicekind of drives me up a tree.
But that's just me and one thingto get circle back to the back to
the episode. Sorry about that somethingI noticed near the end of the episode,
and it's another sort of blank andyou miss it. But when Deanna
and Waxana are walking out of theturbo lift, she stump. She stumbled.

(01:08:56):
Deanna stumbles a little bit because shewas trying not to up on all
the material of Mom's dress. Idon't know how she didn't manage to just
completely fall over, but she dida fairly fairly graceful, graceful stumble.
I absolutely recognized Robert Robert O'Reilly.Those eyes are unmistakable, So I wore

(01:09:17):
my Ferringi eyes in honor of him. And I had recognized him out of
makeup before, with an episode ofDoctor Quinn Medicine Woman that he that he
was in and he's in that episodea lot more than the tiny, tiny
little scene he's in in this one. But yeah, recognizing immediately he is

(01:09:38):
just adorable. And I actually gotto talk to him on our first cruise.
He loved making that Doctor Doctor Quinnepisode. I don't think anybody had
ever mentioned that to him before.Uh oh yeah, and so yeah too.
Priquart is an evil genius calling datadown to to to tell tell some

(01:10:00):
stories to kind of keep walks onat bay. He's absolutely an evil,
evil genius. And before I getto my my limerick, there is one
thing that also amused the hecatomy walkson a talking to the computer looking for
a riker. She was literally talkingto herself, and it makes me laugh

(01:10:24):
every time, just a little bitevery time every time I watch this episode.
But I will I will finish withthis this week's limerick, and it's
walks on a based Obviously, searchingfor a mate is no easy thing.
Do I want one that reads orone that thinks? How about a new

(01:10:47):
race? A nice change of pace, because I'm looking for more than just
a fling. Now, Her andMorph would have made it would have been
intriguing, and it looked like hewas considering it for a hot second before
she's like, no, I'm usedto I'm used to human guys. Never

(01:11:08):
mind, those two would have beenit would have been interesting, but she
wasn't, so, by the way, sorry, yeah, Wesley. Wesley's
like, what was that all about? And Warp is about to explain it,
and he's like, all right,great stuff, thanks very much,

(01:11:35):
Carrie. Although we're all looking atyou funny for not liking Fleetwood Mac.
It's a little rough. I likeFeickwood Mac. It's just Stevie Nixon's voice.
I don't like that suskind of alot. Uh, Greg Kenzo is
here? What's up? Greg?What'd you think of this episode? Hey?
What's up? Let me see.I don't think it's among Temg's best,

(01:12:00):
but there were a lot of thingsI loved about it. Dixon Hill,
it's one of my favorite things fromTG. I don't know if a
lot of people like that Poldic inparticular, but I think it's great.
See, there's some charm about thatperiod. The lighting clothes a perpetual smog,

(01:12:23):
but I might just love the noirlook. That might just be it
Locksana you st annoy me. Sorryto say, Sue and everybody else that
loves her. She's grown on methough, like definitely over and I think
it was just the disruptive kind ofelement, like coming into like all these

(01:12:45):
the Star Trek people that are onthe Enterprise are all kind of proper and
have their own place, and they'reall kind of in line, you know.
It's they're an exploring academy, Iguess, but it's very military like,
you know, so I think itwas that disruptive element that got me
a little anoyed. But she grewme and I grew to love, and

(01:13:08):
yeah, she's great. To commenton what Matt said earlier about Rod talking
about locks on and being just likeMajel, he actually said that recently on
a different podcast to show show.He was on there and he talked about
how Majoral is pretty much locks onher and he gave a good story about

(01:13:31):
her going to like an all men'snight at some yacht club and just you
know, women weren't allowed, butshe would go in there and she like,
you know what, smoke cigars withthem, tell dirty jokes. This
is this is from his own mouth, Rod, It's own mouth. So
yeah, she kind of did thatin this episode. She came in to

(01:13:56):
the ship, you know, AndI think that's funny that the captain and
riker and all these all these peoplethat are usually in control when they're going
up against insurmountable odds, you know, when they see Walksana and her energy,

(01:14:17):
they kind of back away. Andit's funny because that's what kind of
scares them and not all these otherdangerous situations. Other than that, the
philosophy of this episode I kind oflike to focus on philosophy. I think
it represents diversity and the peculiar peculiaritiesof culture. Walksana, the Fish,

(01:14:45):
Dudes, the Card, and theHollow Novels Hollow Novels Data has a great
comment in the beginning that sums upan teenian fish creature's story. He says,
judging being by its appearance is thelast major human prejudice. But I

(01:15:06):
think it's a commentary by the writerson why most of the aliens we see
on Trek are humanoid aliens. They'reall like bipedes. What I learned from
a episode, I'm gonna try totry this new thing because I thought it
was a great well not a greatepisode, middling episode to their episode,

(01:15:27):
but this one. What it saidto me was everything has something to offer,
you know. This is something Itry to remind myself of because I'm
guilty of not kind of seeing peopleas one dimensional, you know, if
they're and that's how our society kindof places us, especially in the US,

(01:15:50):
like your job will define you,you know, even though people are
much more than that, and yeah. I say this because Balksana, although
she kind of disrupts everything over thestoryline, she casually saves the day at

(01:16:11):
the end, like nonchalantly and justlike Okay, I'll take off. She
saved the conference and they don't reallyaddress it. But I think that's the
beautia of it. It's a funnyepisode. First time I thought it was
funny. Okay, that's a goodone. We definitely had some laughs.
Great stuff. Thanks very much,Greg Kenzo, Marcia, classic shryers here,

(01:16:33):
hello, classic your thoughts. Well, I think everybody's pretty much said
everything that I have in my notes, except for what I consider the worst
line of the episode, the hallwayscene with Troy and Pulaski and when an

(01:16:55):
animal is at its best when beinghunted or hunting. I almost lost it
there, and countered that with Wharf'sline, which was my favorite. What
a handsome race. I mean,that's just brilliant. I think everybody in
this group knows how I feel aboutseason two, so I tried when I

(01:17:16):
rewatched it yesterday, I tried toapproach it as a comedy, which whenever
you have Lasan Troy, except withan exception of a couple of episodes later
on in the future seasons basically isa comedy, so I really liked her,

(01:17:36):
her overacting, her over the topdelivery of every line, and it
made me enjoy the episode a lotmore, and her saving the day.
One thing that I didn't remember wasthe naming of the Fame, and I'm

(01:18:00):
wondering if we ever see it orhear about it again. I don't want
to give away any spoilers to anybody, but I'm trying to remember Deanna in
Picard episodes and I don't think there'sany mention of anything like that. Maybe
because she's only half that is zoid, she doesn't have to suffer through it.

(01:18:28):
What else? I like the Bartender. I don't remember the name of
the actor who played the bartender,but he was. He was really good
and he and his scenes with Troywere pretty funny. That's it. Everything
else has already said, great stuff, Thanks very much, Marcia. We've

(01:18:53):
got the dark Lord Chris McGee hereto darken our spirits with knowledge. What
did you think of this episode?Well, that's one thing about going last,
it's always hard to think of somethingthat hasn't already been said. I
agree with Alison Ryan carey that.I mean, this was the first time
you've even noticed that Robert O'Reilly wasin the episode. I had never noticed

(01:19:16):
that before. And as Carrie mentioned, it's always lovely seeing Major Roddenberry talk
to Major Roddenberry as Missus Troy talkingto the computers. It's common knowledge by
now. Of course, everyone knowsthat Mick Fleetwood played the Antidian in the
episode, and I'm sure he probablydidn't enjoy the makeup process either when going

(01:19:43):
through that. Am I the onlyone who, upon seeing the Antiedians I
guess clothes, was reminded immediately ofDaniel's shower Halloween costume in the Karate Kid.
I mean, obviously the color isdifferent, but I mean it just

(01:20:03):
has the same kind of shape toit. This, of course, is
our second visit to the world ofDixon the Hill after the big Goodbye,
and that was kind of kind ofinteresting. And I'm sure it was not
by accident that the song they choseto play on the radio in his office
was Let's Get Away from it All. So all in all, it was

(01:20:28):
a fun episode. Yeah, there'sthere's no you know, stakes, there's
no crisis unless you count the DASXLoxana at the end. And as for
my memorable quote, course everyone's alreadypicked my first choice. What a handsome
rate, so I'll go with mysecond one a counterpoint to that, which
is still see they look better insauce. Oh yeah, Laxana Troy's line.

(01:20:53):
That's a good one. All right, thanks very much, mister McGhee.
Uh Jake's final take. Sarrakanya finalthoughts on this episode. Yeah,
you know what I was gonna saythat one Major was just a remarkable and

(01:21:13):
pleasure to be around. She's justsuch a lovely person and so you find
yourself always rooting for her and cheeringfor her. And she comes from a
good place when she comes with herenergy, So even when she's playing walks
on, I feel like it's froma good place, even though she's slightly

(01:21:33):
manipulative and calculative, but still sheultimately means well at the end of the
day. So much like Majel,who's just such a bright, you know,
person to be around, who hasthis glow about her. And I
was thinking about watching sports, specificallywhen I watch basketball, and there's more

(01:22:00):
when a player takes over the gameand that's when they really dominate the style
of the game, the pace ofthe game. It's clearly they're setting the
tone. And what MAJORL has anability to do is when she comes,
she sets to tone. It's reallykind of a big presence in her personality.

(01:22:24):
But she just doesn't like lie underthe radar. She dominates. You
know, she's there, She's justher presence is very big. So I
think that's his credit to just youknow, her not being afraid to take
that challenge and shine in those moments. The other thing I thought was interesting
is that she's the boss's wife,I guess you could say, right,

(01:22:49):
and and they always have these storieswhere they're trying to kind of, you
know, hook her up with somebody, right, And I thought, how
much, you know, how difficultit is as an actor trying to work
with that if there's only so muchchemistry you could possibly show, knowing that

(01:23:12):
it's the boss's wife. So Ialways wondered about how they felt working with
scenes with her, if there wasany of that element of like I don't
want to, you know, crossany lines or go too far up here,
to go too far, So Iwondered if that was part of it.
But certainly she dominates in her performance, and I think that every time

(01:23:36):
I've seen her, whether I likethe episode or not, you know,
much has to do with this script. She's just going what the script says.
But her personality is dominant, andyou never forget episodes like her presence
on an episode. You never say, oh, I wonder if she was
in there. Now you know she'sin the episode when she's So that's a

(01:23:59):
credit her, her greatness, herpersonality, for being able to shine both
on screen and off screen, whichI've seen her do, and just personal
interactions. She's just that amazing andsuch a focal point of your energy when
she's around. So that's it.Yeah, I know we all wish we

(01:24:21):
could have met her. I definitelydo. We missed out on a grate.
That's about it for us. Everybody, Hey, if you want homework
for next week, this will befun. You know how Star Trek always
says it's some kind of or somesort of I always say some kind of
anomaly or some sort of anomaly.They love those lines, and sometimes there's

(01:24:43):
like super cuts you can find.They have like every time they've ever said
some kind of or some sort of. Maybe next week we see if we
find one in an episode, becausethat'll be a fun thing. You look
for non appearance mentions, you lookfor us some kind of or some sort
of Melissa's like, that sounds funbut weird and dumb. She's right,
no, no, it sounds funand I'm up from a challenge. I

(01:25:04):
was thinking, ooh, scavenger hunk. Yeah, Jason's gonna cheese. You
gonna look at the script, allright. Uh, that's it for us,
everybody. Thank you to Melissa,faith My, Jason Allison, Sue,
Matt Carry, Greg, Marcia Chris, for myself, Melissa Siak and

(01:25:27):
mister Aaron Eisenberg. Thank you allvery much for joining us. We'll see
you next time, and until then, always remember the seventh Rule.

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