Scotty! | TNG 6.04, "Relics" | T7R #360 - The 7th Rule -- A Star Trek Podcast with DS9's Cirroc Lofton

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The USS Janolan was reported missing seventy five years ago.
Starfleet captains are like children and never get drunk unless
you're willing to pay for it. The next day, Hello everybody,
and welcome to the seventh Rule. Was Sarak Lofton. Hello,
you see Sarrak When people get drunk oftentimes, then well,

(00:21):
we'll talk about it later. My name is Ryan Taus.
Today we're doing a review of Star Trek the Next Generation,
Season six, episode four, entitled Relics, written by Ronald D. Moore,
directed by Alexander Singer. This was October tenth, nineteen ninety two.
Where were you also? I believe this episode was sponsored

(00:44):
by one of our good buddies, and yes it is
all the way out in Austria, Robert Kaiser, our good buddy,
Robert Kaiser Austria never misses a show. Thank you so
much for sponsoring this one. Pretty good choice. How you
doing today, Star Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm doing great. I enjoyed this episode, so I'm doing great.
Good spirits, Laddie.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, you know this is This is one of the
episodes when I look ahead that I circle and go oh,
I can't wait to see this one with Sarroc. I
want to know what his reaction is. And I myself
have not seen it in I haven't seen most of
these in twenty years, but you have not seen these
in yeah, ever years, in no years ever. So i'd

(01:36):
love to know what you thought when you first saw
Scottie pop up. Hopefully the thumbnail to the episode didn't
like ruin it because I saw when I hit it
on Paramount Plus that was Scotty right there. I was like, oh, no,
that's ruining it for sarac.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh good thing. I didn't pay attention.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Good I just I didn't expect anything. Actually, it opened.
It opened with the crew just you know, well, I
detected transport ship and I was like, another transport ship.
I was like, that's the intro to so many episodes,
you know, we've detected a transport ship or some ship,
you know, and I'm like, what's this one gonna be about?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, same ship, different day, right ship exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
And so I thought, okay, is this going to be
an episode that is a recycle, kind of mixed match
of several different episodes, you know, taking the beginning of
this and switching with that and you know, kind of
a Frankenstein episode.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But no, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Actually, it was a really interesting episode because as soon
as I did see Scotty, I thought, wait.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
A minute, this is cool.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
It made me think about the timelines. I was like,
do there timelines overlap?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
And so yeah, and then I was thinking, oh, wow,
this is going to be so great to see Scotty
basically beyond the enterprise and watch his reaction like a
kid in the candy store, like about all of the
upgrades and you know where time is gone.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
So yeah, I thought that was a real special treat
for me.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
As soon as I saw Scotty, I was like, yeah, wt,
this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's really cool because everybody loves Scotty, right,
how can you not?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
And you know we saw we saw Bones in the
first episode, but then nobody since then, you know, like
or none of the original series. I should say, well, no, actually, Spock,
that's right. I was trying to remember it. I was like, wait,
I feel like we did. So we've seen we've seen Bones,
we've seen Spock, and now we've seen Scotty. That's three
out of the seven leads. Uh, it's really you know,

(03:53):
number two, three and four of the leads outside of
Kirk on this series.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
So when do we see bones. I don't remember the
first episode.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
First episode, he was all made up to look older
than he was and he was like, oh, treat this
ship well. And then he met Data. He's like, I
don't see no poenty of ears on you, Boa, but
you sound like a vulcan to Data. But if you look,
this is like in the late eighties and early nineties,

(04:22):
and even then Star Trek was paying homage to previous series,
you know. And so you know, right now we've got
you know, a bunch of new shows that have been
coming out of the last ten years, and they're paying
homage to the previous series. And you see, yeah, and
you see that this is just the Star Trek way.

(04:44):
This has been going on since nineteen eighty seven, where
they're just bringing the people back, bringing the people back.
We had I can't remember the title. Then the title
the Trouble, Trials and Tribulations right on Deep Space nine,
where they did something similar. They go back on this one,
we go back to the original enterprise. I mean, it's

(05:06):
just and it's beautiful. We love it right.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, what I really love about it is that it
allows you as the viewer to you know, believe that
these characters go on to live their lives past the show,
and when you bring him back then you say, oh,
you know, it reminds you that the universes are intertwined

(05:31):
and that, you know, all the foundation that had been
laid beforehand is recognized by the predecessor. And so I
think those are one of the great elements about seeing that.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, I mean, these guys paved the way.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
They were the pioneers in this particular space, no pun intended,
but you know, they they paved the way for us,
and I think it's it's fitting to honor them, to
pay amention to bring them back.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, one of the biggest.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Things I was excited about watching this episode was the
prospects of seeing Jordy Yes and Scotty just go back
and forth.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Right, me too, So that yeah, I was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
My god, this is going to be like you know,
engineer Heaven right here and I and it was and
it was so.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
They delivered on that with this episode.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, it was kind of like the biggest thing. I
remember that too when I first watched it, that was
the big thing. I'm like, oh my god, I want
to see Jordi and Scotty hanging out, Jordie stopped being
mean to him.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, then he started being me to him, and I'm like,
what the hell's going on here?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
But it was so funny at the same time too,
because Scotty's just like, II, lad, can I tell you
a story? Everybody's like all right, gramps, Like, we're actually
at work right now. We don't have time for your
Your stories are great, they're great, they're great, but like
but at ten forward later after when we say, hey,

(07:11):
tell me that story about but other than that, we're working.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, uh well, this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
In our mind as the audience.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
You know, these guys are legendary, right, so you know,
we we you know, we've we've heard about their legend.
You know, beam me up Scotty is just a phrase
that has you know, lasted throughout the ages, and it's
part of the popular culture and so and there has
been acknowledgement of the greatness of these characters within universe

(07:51):
when we talk about Spock and Kirk and like, you know,
the legend of that follows them throughout the series and
throughout the shows, the various iterations because you know, they
were like Oh.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
That's the uh, you know, the Kirk.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
You know, Kirk did this, you know, the legend of
whatever he accomplished during his you know, the Kobe Yashi
Maru and all of these things. And you have Spock
in his legend, and and you know how he has
his intellect and and his vulcan rationale in mind and
mind melding and.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
All of these things. And so.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I guess I assumed that LaForge also studied Montgomery Scott's
work as a young cadet in Starfleet, and I thought,
in my own destination, thought maybe he would have this
kind of reverence for him in the way that they

(08:53):
have for Kirk, for example. But it seemed, and it
appeared to me that that putting on a pedestal of
Scotty wasn't there for the force.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
She was just like, Yeah, this guy's an engineer.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know, I know of him a little bit, but
I don't think of him as like, you know, the
god of engineers.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, A lot of times in star Trek they'll do
the opposite where they're like, oh my god, you mean
doctor Smith, only the highest rated doctor at the Conference
of Genoa, And people are like Okay, well, I guess
this guy is important. I've read all of your books,
even the one with the Star oh even twice already
I read, you know, but this one.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
They've done that with Doctor Union seeing remember are soon?
They do that with him, like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Doctor Soon. So yeah, so that's the thing with Star
Trek usually, and in this case they kind of did
the opposite. I mean, they didn't really treat him poorly,
but they're just like, hey, we're busy. And it is true,
you know, we're only human. We do that sometimes where
we say like, hey, you know, I'm busy right now.

(10:01):
When when you're busier your focus you can get a
little bit more curt or abrupt. But really, what they
should have done if Jordie was busy is just to say, hey,
go talk to Data, because first of all, while data's working,
he can multitask, He's and androids he could do. He
could talk to a man work. But also in his
off hours, Data could listen to his stories all day long.

(10:23):
He could just be like, oh, sure, that's very interesting.
Actually I did know that because blah blah blah blah,
and he and he you know, won ups. I mean,
and that's the he's the perfect chaperone because he can
babysit people that want to talk. As you'll see later
in an episode called Starship Mine Starship, He's not.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
The only one actually, and their other two were underutilized
as well.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
The other person who's not in this episode.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
And Troy actually, yeah, I bet that's right, and Troy,
oh right, and Troy like Troy came at the end
basically just sent bye to him.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I didn't see her at all but before that,
maybe correct me, but I just saw her saying goodbye
to him and that when he was leaving.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
But I was thinking, what the hell do you do
all day?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Troy?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Isn't your job sitting.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And listening to people like isn't And isn't he the
perfect candidate?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
He's lost seventy five years of life, wouldn't he?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Would you want to catch him up and be you know,
and walk them through the therapy of what it takes
to overcome that.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
And how are you feeling, Captain? Feeling right? Yes, yes,
you're right, you are right there.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I'm sorry, that's that's literally part of the protocol. Like
not only would you make him see doctor Crusher to
see if he had a physical you know, any ailments
physically is there's you know, do you check out? You know,
we run the diagnostics, everything checks out. You're good, Doctor
Crusher approves. And now we're going to send you to
our psychologist who's going to give is some other tools

(12:02):
to deal with your emotional distress of having lost out
on this time period of the being trapped in a buffer.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I don't know what that feels like.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, would you like to explain, you know, And so,
I don't know they could have been they underutilized that
opportunity obviously to get this story across, which is great
because I got what I wanted, which is engineer talk.
So but but they did have other options to have
somebody talk to them.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Now.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I kind of want to give you my butt right now, okay, okay,
because I have a butt to give you here, and
I wasn't sure whether to save my butt for later
or whether to give it to you now. But I
think we'll give it to you now on the talk
of engineering talk here it comes. I love James Doing,

(12:56):
I love Scottie. I love this episode. I think it
was so wonderful. And I'll talk throughout this entire review
about how wonderful. It made me feel in the beautiful
moments between him and Jordy and him and Picard and
how sweet they were. But but when he first comes

(13:21):
on the Enterprise and is walking with Jordy and they're
going technobabble, that dude is reading off of Q cards,
hardcore big time. He was reading. He was reading, and
he was reading, and you know, I'm fine with it.
I'm like, well, yeah, listen to the line. We can't

(13:44):
all be LeVar Burton. Dude, Like, you know, I don't
fault him at all. But what I am saying is
I definitely caught him reading like he was like like
when he's walking it because he had a mouthful of
lines to say to introduce a to the situation right
when there it's like the walk and talk and clearly

(14:04):
somebody's walking kind of next to the camera holding the
lights like this because instead of looking at Jeordia where
he's going, he's watching these things. And then he delivers
some lines parts comfortably. In other lines, he's kind of
focusing and you know, like any politician that we've seen,
you know. And then my next thought was when I
caught him doing that, and I'm such a jerk because
I rewound it to watch it like three times to

(14:26):
make sure. I was like, all right, yeah, and everybody
at home, please feel free to check me on this.
There's no way you'll watch that and think, okay, you'll
you'll definitely agree. But then I thought, if you've ever,
you know, been in a scene with somebody that can't
get their lines straight, or well, I know you have,

(14:46):
we have, We've definitely touched on that. But when somebody
is messing up their lines, it makes it very easy
for you then to mess up your lines somehow. It
kind of gets in your head. And I've been there before.
Somebody has like complicated lines and you've got yours down,
but if they're messing theirs up, kind of gets in
your head and you start messing up yours possibly, you know,

(15:07):
it makes you susceptible to that. So when he did that,
my first thought was own, no, don't mess up Jordie now.
And Jordie just knocked his out of the park like
he always does, and he had this technobabble and he
still slayed it.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I was like, with his eyes closed, basically, by the
way right there, man, yep, the guy's got his you know,
he's got his eyes behind his back. It's amazing what
LeVar Burton is able to do. I have to, you know,
give him credit. And at the same time, with all
respect to mister Doohan, you know, when you get up

(15:43):
there in age as he is at this particular moment,
you know, he's on the upside of age, and you
know your your memory is not as sharp and your
ability to retain his stuff is not is not there
for whatever reason, you know, And we all hope to

(16:05):
get to that point where we're there and we can
forget things ourselves. But so that I and I've experienced
actors reading from cards mainly and primarily on the basis
of age.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what it would seem, it like, yeah, and it's forgivable.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So every time I've seen somebody using cards, it was
an older gentleman who just had been in the business
for years, and I guess they're just like, you know what,
why am I going.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
To make this harder? Like it's like trying to do
math when you can use a calculator.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, also it's pragmatic. Sometimes you just got to get
through the scene. Well, we could be here all night,
or we could just knock this out and.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, and it's a walk and talk, which is also
another challenge for older actors sometimes because their ability of
their movement is not the same. Hitting the marks is
also on their mind, so they're like, oh, we got
to stop on this mark, and we need you to
face this light and this.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
And that and you have to and so there.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Now they're preoccupied with those other cues that they have
to take for the camera, and sometimes it's just you know,
and then the age factor. Like I said, the majority
of not one hundred percent of the people that I've
seen us qu cards for older people, and so it's

(17:43):
a forgivable thing for me. I saw it too, but
I wasn't going to fault them. Actually, I thought he
did a pretty good job of delivering the lines while reading.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Because art also not only the age thing, which of
course makes it to where like you know, not only
is it forgivable, it's almost expected, but also those are
some pretty crazy lines that he did not have to
deliver in the original original series. Did not have that
original series was like that's all she's got, captain, or

(18:14):
we can't do that, or those people are purple, you know,
like those were the lines.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Exactly which are a lot easier to remember than the
kind of tecto bubble that we've seen LeVar Burdon have
to memorize. It's just the fact that he's the best
at it. But but yeah, I thought it was great
to see him, Like when he as soon as he
got off the you know, the when he as soon
as he got beamed on board the New Enterprise, he's like,

(18:45):
you know what did he say? You've changed the resonator
or ray?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Like that was right.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Away, like all right, all right, Graham's take a step
backward just to say. It's like, hey, that's what I do.
You know what, I just realized that's too Out of
the first four season six episodes were basically about you know,
transporter stuff, right, he got he trapped himself in a
transporter to save himself and Franklin who couldn't make it,

(19:13):
And two episodes ago we had Barkley saving people that
were also trapped in a transporter. Yeah, funny. I wonder
why they didn't space those out a bit.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, that's weird because yeah, you would think that because
and I was thinking, uh, when did this idea actually start?
Because you know, we did see the Barkley episode, right,
But I thought we've seen that before where Transporter people

(19:47):
were in the buffer somehow, some way before. I wonder
where it started, like the exact episode that first talked
about somebody being stored in the trans border buffer or
you know what I mean, a period of time.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Will definitely be the next generation. Well, no, might have
been original. Seriously, there are certainly times where it's like, oh,
we're losing somebody, or somebody's trapped in there for a
few seconds, we're watching there trying to get them or
slowed down, you know. So they definitely tinker with it
a lot. Yes, it's got to be as early as
the original series doing things like that. But yeah, the

(20:25):
Transporter and the Halo Deck, they they create stories, you
know what I mean, Like you could you could write
stories about Holodeck and Transporter forever, because it's like it's theoretical,
you know, like, Okay, well i'll believe you. Okay, sure
you could barkhe'l grab giant worms that turn out to
be humans and the Transporter. All right, I'll go with
you on that one. You know.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, Now, were they saying that seventy five years past? Yes, okay,
that that that's the part. I also didn't really quite
understand he was.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Chosen, Like it didn't feel like seventy five years to him.
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, but but then how is Spock in these episodes?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
He's just really did because Vulcans live up to three
hundred years, that's why.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Okay, so he was seventy five years older.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yes, this spot. Yeah. Oh, and actually that's great news
because I was kind of sad because I'm thinking, oh,
Scotty is here, but all of his friends are gone,
but not Spock. So that's great to know that somewhere
out there beneath the pale moonlight, that's just Scotty can

(21:36):
drive fly his shuttle to Romulus and go find Spock
and they can have a drink together. Oh that'd be cool.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Oh, that would be cool.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
We do have to jump to our break real quick,
but I do want to tease in the next In
the next segment, we have some crazy trivia, like something
that I'd never heard of, and most people I knowed
never heard of it, but it was found deeps in
the darkness of the interwebs. There's a crazy story about

(22:10):
Jimmy Dowin and possibly being in other Star Trek series.
So stick around, everybody. We will be right back on
the Seventh Rule. Hi, everybody, Welcome back to the seventh
Rule with sarak Lofton.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Hello, Hello, all.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Right, it is time for the Trivioids of the week.
Here come the trivioids. The USS Jenolan was reported missing
seventy five years ago. The Enterprise encounters an object two
hundred million kilometers in diameter. Could someone survive inside a
transporter buffer for seventy five years? I don't know why
I added a question there. Scotty and Franklin went into

(22:53):
the transporter room transported together. Franklin's pattern is to grade
fifty three percent. The doctors are a fair site pretty
on the Enterprise d than his old ship. Calm down, Scotty.
Scotty goes engineering to help, not for a tour. Scotty
was a Starfleet engineer for fifty two years. Scotty reminds
us that you cannot change the laws of physics. That's

(23:13):
his old catch phrase. Starfleet captains are like children. Scotty change.
Scotty takes his Scotch neat. Never get drunk unless you're
willing to pay for the next day and the narpin
colony is for old men to retire, all right. So
I kind of had that look of reading too myself.
So I can't git through the stones. But so here's

(23:36):
the thing. Here's something that our good buddy Anne Marie
doctor Amery found on Memory Alpha. Here's the quote. Following
the highly rated appearance of Doing as Scott in Relics.
It was later reported that he had been urging Paramount
to add him to the cast of Deep Space nine.

(24:02):
Because this is right when Deep Space nine was starting
to shoot, you know, because it premiered in early ninety three,
so they're either starting to shoot or they're certainly in
pre production, and Jim James Douhan was urging them to
add them add him to Deep Space nine. And my

(24:22):
question to you is, srock your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well, you know, we could have incorporated him on the show. Absolutely.
I think there would have been logical to put him
with O'Brien and I could have seen a battle of
the accents go on between.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
The That's the first thing I thought too, was the
Scottish and the Irish.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
That would be uh, make for for some good television,
the back and forth between them. I don't know if
he would have like a mentorship type of role in
that relationship, or if they would be butting heads much
like we saw Jordan in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
So I don't know, but I do think it could work.
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
You know, he's just a legend in so many ways,
and I didn't get a chance to meet him, so
I don't know what his personality was like off camera.
He seems to be a jolly fellow.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
He seems he's a war hero, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Oh, really tell me about that.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, he was in World War two. I believe it was.
Was it World War two or Korea? I guess I
needed to get my information straight, but I think it
was World War two and he was shot like something crazy,
like four or five times and survived. And he's actually

(25:56):
missing a finger that he's always hiding. You never really
noticed it, but one of a finger on one of
his hands. And yeah, he's a total war hero. I'll
google it and confirm the information. But he did some
amazing stuff in his youth. Now I think that. You know,
the way that Deep Space nine was set up was

(26:18):
like it's ripe for almost any kind of storyline you
want to bring in because they're a space station. They're like, yeah,
you know, any traveler or wanderer or war or race
or whatever. So the answer for Scott, he could have
been just as easy. As he's flying his shuttle that
they let him use, and he stops at Deep Space
nine and you know, he's part of an episode and

(26:39):
he goes, you know what, I think I'm gonna like
it here. This seems like just my speed. You know,
like I'm not ready to fully like retire, but you know,
I still want to adventure. I want a little bit
of adventure and see what's going on. You know, you
could you could see he might enlist as part of
the you know, part of the crew, or he might

(27:01):
just be a guy that hangs out at the bar.
Or he'd be like a special consultant, you know, so
he's in some episodes sometimes he hasn't. I mean, you
could see his fit would be super easy just because
of the way Deep Space nine was created as a show.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah, I could see it.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
And I can actually see him kind of being an
in and out character, kind of how Guynan was, you know,
not in every episode, but just you know, playing certain
key moments and being there for certain moments, I can
also see him being a very suspicious guy, like I
don't trust that fellow odo, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
So, yeah, it could be a whole lot of that.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
But I do think that it's great that Star Trek
brings in their old original cast and older characters and
always tries to re integrate them into whatever has happened.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
At the time, and so that way they.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know, they they do a really good job of
paying homage to the actors that helped build this franchise.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So I got the information on James Dewin and I
didn't want to misspeak, so I kind of held my
tongue just in case I was wrong. But yeah, here's
here's the information. He served as a lieutenant in the
Canadian Army, the Royal Canadian Artillery during World War Two.
He participated in the D Day landings at Juno Beach,

(28:35):
so he was storming those beaches, not at Normandy but
at Juno during D Day. On June sixth, during the invasion,
he was shot multiple times. Turns out it was six times,
including and here's the crazy part, including a bullet in
his chest that was deflected by a silver cigarette case.

(28:59):
So that's so over cigarette case theoretically saved his life
because the bullet deflected from there anyway. Yeah, so really
amazing stuff. He was apparently he trained as a pilot
and became known as the craziest pilot in the Canadian
Air Force. And there's all kinds of stories about this guy.

(29:19):
What a cool guy.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, so his real life is just as interesting as Scotti's.
You know, it's pretty amazing, which is why he brings
so much gravitas to that character. And you know, he
has so much life experience to lend to his performances. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Oh and also sorry, just the last part of that
that I wanted to touch on because it's important. Also,
during that time, he shot two German snipers and led
his men to safety through a minefield. So superstar, badass.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Damn, damn.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
And then you know, when he was getting that the quarters,
there was like a cadet or somebody that was kind
of helping him get the quarters. It's like this is
this is huge and nam Roller didn't get quarters this big.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
That cadet looked a lot like Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I thought, yeah, I know, it's not like do you
know this guy.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I was like, is Zuckerberget an episode of Next Generation.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, that kid's name was Kane Ensign Cain. Actually, there
were a lot of a lot of people that got
lines that we've never seen before. There was Ensign Kine.
In engineering, there was a lady named Bartel, and then
in uh on the Bridge. On the Bridge, they totally,
they totally gave Ensign Gates the shaft where it's like

(30:45):
she's been there for seventy episodes and the one week
she calls out with another gig, they're like, oh, it's
too bad you missed out because we had Ensign Rager here.
Her name's Ensign Rager. She got a tonnel line you
should have been here this week. This week, Yeah, I
know a lot of money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I was like, who is this ensign getting all these lines?
Because you know, normally they get one line like I
sirt or something, you know, I like that, But she
was like, uh, you know, just line after line. I
was like, wait a minute, this girl is really getting
her chance to showcase. So I guess they were trying
to piss off the other person.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I wonder if it was meant for maybe like Michelle
Forbes's Ensign row and maybe she wasn't available or something,
But yeah, I don't know. It just seems like, yeah,
there are three people that got a good amount of lines.
And then I thought, well, hang on, maybe this is
writing style. Writer Ronald D. Moore, He's like, okay, maybe
that's his style. Maybe his style is like, let's add
more characters in there. Maybe his style is sneaking a

(31:45):
few lines for a few people so that if they
do well, we bring them back and then your your
crew is now your world has now expanded a little bit.
And you know, Deep Space nine did that better than anybody.
You bring in, somebody, you introduce something, then people god him,
let's bring him back, but he's dead. Jeffrey Combs's character said,
bring him back. We liked them.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
It's another one.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
It's another way.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's a duplicate. It's fine, it's a clone.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Totally different way.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
So yeah, there were also moments that I really enjoyed
about this episode.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'll tell you. One of them was when.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Scotty was telling Jordie, don't tell him how long it
really takes, and you know, he's like, how long did
it really take?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
It It's like an hour? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Like it's such a good ad. He's like an hour.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
That moment had me.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Laugh and I thought that was really good and you know,
really the highlight of this episode, because the highlight of
this episode is about an aging human being. It's the
story of what happens to all of us if we
are fortunate enough to get to a point where we

(33:05):
can retire, where we where we have you know, reached
a full state of maturity, and we are you know,
in these entering the elderly phase of life. And what
I liked about this episode was addressing the usefulness of

(33:26):
old people, yes, And I think that was the core
message behind this right It was like, what is the
usefulness of somebody that is you know, he mentioned, I've
been doing this fifty two years, but now things have
moved on, technologis moved on, and does that make you irrelevant?
And what this episode was highlighting is that just because

(33:53):
the technology has changed, just because you know, you know,
the devices are different, they're our core fundamental things that
a person's lived experience can bring and have value to
any situation. And I thought that was well articulated in
this episode, especially during the conversation between Jordy and Scotty

(34:18):
when he was talking about nobody wants this old ship,
we would even want this. That was perfect the subtext
there that Jordy was bigging him up and kind of
building up his confidence and saying, no, there's value here.
I just don't think you're seeing it. And the way
they were describing the ship was also the way they
were describing Scotty's own life, So I thought that was amazing.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I used the exact word I wanted to bring up,
which was value and worth, because you know, we're in
a society where we're trying our hardest to say everybody
you know, has the same value, everybody's equal, everybody has
the same worth, but we don't say well until they
get old and weird and smell like dust and mothballs

(35:02):
or whatever. You know, no like, but sometimes we kind
of treat people that way, and you know, and and
an episode like this reminds us that, like we doesn't
matter how old a person gets, they don't lose their value,
they don't lose their worth. They're still just as important
as anybody else, and they usually have way more important

(35:22):
information than the rest of us, even if the rest
of us have to show them how to use an
iPhone or have to show them how to log onto
the internet for the fiftieth time, like they still there's
still people with feelings, there's still people with memories and
with wisdom, you know, and there's there's definitely a big
conversation to be had there. And I'm glad Star Trek

(35:43):
brought that up. And yeah, the line where Jordie says
like that, that's where the episode kind of turns around,
where Jordie says, well, just because that ship is old
doesn't mean that we have to throw it away and
Scott is like yeah, yeah, and right then you're just like, ah,
these little buddies, this is gonna be the cutest episode ever.
Two other really cute moments when Picard has his moment

(36:08):
with Scotty and he slams it and he's like, oh,
Dubyn Wesky, who do you think gave it to Geynan?
And he slammed it and it was so cool. And
then Scotty's like, all right, I got a drinking buddy,
and they have another one, you know, And before that,
Scotty's toasting, you know, the crew of his original enterprise.
He's like, here's two of you lads. But that moment
with Picard and Scotty was just really sweet.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
It was Picard came in to pay his respects and
to check in on him and to say, look, you're
still worth something. We respect the hell out of you.
And the other really cute moment was at the very
end where what does Scotty and Jordi say to each other? Oh,
Scotty says, a ship is only as good as its engineer,

(36:53):
and the enterprise is in good hands, and Jordi flashes
that million dollar Colgate smile and they shake hands and
I'm like, you guys, you guys so good.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Another great moment was when Scotty says to Jordie, now
you go ahead and take the helm and he says,
but you know you outrank me, and he says, just
because I'm a rank a captain, doesn't mean all I've
ever wanted to be was an engineer, right, great line,
great moment there, and you see Jordie's accepting it because
he wants to only be an engineer. He doesn't, you know,

(37:27):
even if he's captain, in his heart, he's an engineer.
And so I thought that was a great moment between
the two of them. And another to add on top
of that, pyleon this heap of praise. I liked when
Picard calls Jordi into the office and says, I'm not
giving you an order, but I'm asking you. Can you

(37:50):
make this guy feel useful? Can you give him something
to do that's in his wheelhouse that you know that
will open him up and make him feel feel invigorated again,
And that's to build.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
A bird cage, be like, oh, I really need a
bird cage, star, can you Yeah, I can build you
the best bird cage.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
But I thought that was a great moment that showed
leadership to me on the Captain's part to be able
to nudge his his his young Jordie to say, hey,
this is the right thing to do. I know he's
annoying you.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I know you can't wait.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know you want to avoid him, but actually I
want you to do the opposite. I want you to
go towards him and confront him as opposed to try
to get away from him. I thought that showed courage
and leadership on the Captain's part. A very touching episode
for me all all around. I really I loved it,

(38:44):
you know, even when he had the moment at the
when he was on the ship and he had the
bottle in his hand, and he goes up and he says,
a young android at the bar told me that I
can see my ship in here.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
You know what I mean, A conversation with the computer. Yeah,
oh bloody A B no A B C or d.
No bloody ab scenery. That's like one of the most
famous lines in Star Trek. No bloody A B C
or D yes.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
And so he says, he says, he says, show me
my ship, your chattering piece oft he was cussing out
Majel and I thought that, I thought, yeah, I thought.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
That was cute too when you realize who's on the
other side of that voice. But one thing that was
mentioned in the episode, and you mentioned it a little
bit ago, about how he Scotty was like, not even
admirals had a quarters this good. And it does remind
you that even like, even like people that are let's say,

(39:52):
you know, poor in the US or poor around the country,
or the working class, the fact that they have a
cell phone that has all of the information in the
history of the world basically in it or accessible to
it already means that you have more than the richest

(40:14):
and most powerful people twenty five years ago, as as
far as access to information or convenience of information and
things like that, So we forget that kind of perspective
of like, wow, how much things are actually improving so
quickly that yeah, we you know, we have you and

(40:37):
I have stuff that one hundred years ago kings and
queens and presidents and prime ministers would only dream of having.
And for us, we're like, oh, yeah, I just you know,
I just you know. You look my toilet, you you
look at pictures on Instagram on the on the toilet,
you know, and they're like, oh my god, you're so lucky.

(40:58):
But anyway, it's just a good reminders. So for him
seventy five years going by, he's in a different world completely.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I mean, it wasn't there a movie like that? What
movie was it where they unfollowed the guy out?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Oh ma.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Man, Yeah took place.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
And there was another one too. I thought it was
Demolition Man or one of those.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yes, Demolish with Sylvester Stallone. I think you're right. And
he's like, I don't remember if they thought him out
or how it happened. But yeah, However, when he was
like cussing to get and he was getting those tickets
to wipe his but he's like, I'm going to go
use the John because he doesn't know how to use
the three shells. That was a nineties movie for sure.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, so this idea was coming out at or.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Around that time in several forms of fashion, where somebody
gets you know, pulled out of a hibernation and some
to some degree another and has to observe the world
in which they live in and see the differences. But look,
I thought this was it was just a genuinely good episode.
It was charming, it was and you know what I

(42:15):
could have this could have been. I was thinking a
two parter. This could have easily been a two parter spot. Yeah,
they were trapped in the thing, so now you have
that dilemma if they wanted to stretch out this whole
dice and sphere you know thing, which, by the way,

(42:35):
give it up to Mike Dyson for coming up with that.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know, well did you see on well on the
one side of the sphere there was actually a big tattoo,
So that's pretty cool. That was a good That was
a good pun though could wordplay, but also very importantly,
it's time for the home run of the episode. Everybody,
what do you think, siroc who gets the home run

(42:59):
of today's episode?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Well, thanks to Carrie Schwint for the home run ball.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I'm going to say the home run goes you know it.
It's a two part home run.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
The two parter is the The obvious pick for me
is you know, James Deahan coming in and guest starring
and carrying the bulk of this episode, applying his charm
and in his style onto this show.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Loved it.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
But the under kind of represented home run hitter guy
is Ron Moore. I feel like this is a Ron
Moore episode that's on par with the kind of great
episode that he's used to I'm used to seeing from him.
I know, I gave him flack for the last episode
that we saw of his and you looked forward to

(43:57):
this and a couple of others and you say, yeah,
wait till he's other ones come up, they're going to
be good.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
And you were right.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
This is a great run more episode. So I think
he also deserves some home run attention.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Inside the Park Homer, Uh yeah, I thought of him too,
because they usually would bring him on as the writer
for Klingon episodes. He was kind of like the Klingon
guy for like the longest time, and I didn't really
remember him as being a writer for these more heartfelt

(44:31):
episodes of like the theme of like, hey, you know,
don't don't let old older people feel unloved or unrespected
or undervalued, you know. And and so I thought about that,
I was like, that doesn't I don't know if that
fully fits with Ronald Ymore. I'm sure it does if
I look over his entire body of work, But before that,

(44:52):
thought of him as the guy that writes the Klingon
episodes on TNG and then does a bunch of cool
war stuff with the Dominion and whatever on Deep Space nine.
But anyway, beyond all that, for me, the home run
goes to James Dohan. Of course, pretty easy, you know
for me, although Ensign Rager got at least a double

(45:12):
Ensign Rager just for the name alone.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, I had to rewind the name because I could.
Did I hear that?

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Right?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah? I'm like, whoa, what did she do to deserve
that name? Something pretty cool? All right? Also, we'd like
to give some very special thanks to other cool people.
Their names are doctor Anne, Marie Siegel, Eve England out
in Wales, You've at Blackman, Tom t J. Jackson Bay
out in Missouri, Titus Mueller, doctor Mohammad Nora and neil
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(45:47):
Faith Howell, Matt Boardman, The Matt Boardman, Chris McGee, Jake Barrett,
we might be seeing him in Vegas, Henry Unger, Allison
Leech Hide, Julie Menasvi, Jed Thompson, Susan V. Gruner, Glenn Iverson,
Dave Gregory, Chris Sternet, Greg Kenzo, Sorry, Greg k Wickstrom,

(46:10):
Cassandra Gerard, Chuck A, Chris Garris, James Kerwin, and of
course Jason m oaken And a very special thanks to
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We've got the Free for All. Up next we will
be right back on the Seventh Rule. Hey, everybody, welcome

(46:32):
back to the Seventh Rule with star Rock lofton, it
is time for the Free for All with Melissa Longo
on her pink headphones. Hey, Jason oakein left his spock
headphones at home, Eve England is out in Wales, staying

(46:53):
up late. Chuck A, He's got a bunch of plates
to sell you. TJ. Jackson bays from the School of Metaphysics.
Alison leech Hide is in the heart of New Mexico. No,
she is the heart of New Mexico.

Speaker 7 (47:09):
Oh that you're reading your shirt.

Speaker 8 (47:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear is in between a Cubs
game and an Ajar concert. She knows how to live
faith Housing the Enterprise d with a radical seventh Rule shirt.
And Chris McGee got his seventh Roule shirt from Walking
Art made by Melissa. All Right, everybody, Jake Cisco guesses
the IMDb score. It's gonna be pretty low because he

(47:36):
did not like this one.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I'm gonna say this one was probably like an eight
point two mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Does anybody else have any guesses that doesn't already know?

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Age seven?

Speaker 8 (47:55):
That's a pretty time too.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It's a pretty good guess. I think.

Speaker 9 (47:59):
I think Sarak the IMDb is probably right around there
age one two, eight one.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
Eight three eight three.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I see, all right, Well, the correct answer is eight
point five eight point five. You guys were all around
it very nice. I got three non appearance mentions, but
there may have been more because I've been known to
miss things from time to time. I got Kirk No, sorry,

(48:30):
that was the previous week. I got Gynan. No, there
was Kirk, Kirkynon and Leah Brahms Kirk and I need
to reorganize my nams. Oh, who's the other one?

Speaker 8 (48:41):
There was also Elan the dolman of a loss whoa.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I totally missed that.

Speaker 9 (48:46):
Well, I'll throw I'll throw something else out there, which
is kind of more vague. When Scotty drinks to everybody on.

Speaker 10 (48:55):
The endlads, he says, lads, I'm going to throw another
one in there, because he does say the doctors here
are prettier than so that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Bones wosn't.

Speaker 11 (49:14):
And for bones, I mean, but I always met count
for Abinga too.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Hell yeah. And doctor Phil Yeah, not doctor Phil. What's
his name?

Speaker 7 (49:28):
I know, I always call him doctor Phil because that's
his first name. His first name is Philips.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Oh you're talking about Flocks. No, No, who's the guy
that was in the cage. Well no, but Scotty wasn't
in the cage, so he wouldn't know.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
No, yeah, but he was.

Speaker 12 (49:46):
It's still anonymous, right, he maybe, but I do think
that Jason makes a compelling argument because he says lads,
so he's certainly talking to them.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
So we'll just say the whole crew. Mm, good stuff,
all right? What about uh some kind of or some
sorts of dark Lord?

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Well, we didn't indeed get two of them, almost back
to back. Even Jordy, whilst searching for the enterprise with Scotty, I.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
Got three as well.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Well let's see the ones, Chris gott I want to.

Speaker 8 (50:28):
Uh, well, Jordan and Scotty were searching for the enterprise.
He has it looks like some kind of doorway, and
then just a couple of lines later says, this looks
like some kind of communications array. Huh so what did
I miss?

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Day? Tractor beam? They got some kind of tractor beam.
I think we're getting pulled in by some kind of
tractor beam.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Wow, very nice. What do you think, Homed?

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I thought of you, Chris when I heard it, I.

Speaker 8 (50:54):
Was like, I thought it was some type of But
maybe that qualifies too.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
That's a big one.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
Yeah, wow, I think so.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Okay, man Free for Alls are starting off raging today.
This is good stuff, well, Wed, Yeah, this is good.
This Melissa, please get a start off on the right
track by telling us what you got in this episode.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
Well, I wanted to give this episode a hug, specifically Scotty. O,
my gosh, that's wanted to hug him and say it
can be okay. I can't imagine what it would be
like to show up seventy five, almost eighty years later
in a completely different time, and no wonder he would

(51:45):
of course he would want to recapture or try to
hold on to what he remembers, because what a culture shock.
I mean, that's a huge culture shock, and he takes
it in stride. Yeah, it was great, and I will

(52:05):
say that I was got a little bit miffed with
Jordy when he was saying, uh, Scotty, leave me alone.
Basically I got a little mifted with him. I was
like JORDI, but then I was like, Jordie's human and
maybe he's not having the best day.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
So but.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
Yeah, but I particularly liked the scene between Picard and
Scotty in on the bridge of the NXO one. No
bloody A, no bloody DE, no bloody C. It's my
favorite line. That was just wonderful.

Speaker 13 (52:56):
I thought Picard was very sensitive to who Scotty was,
and there was a reverence that I tell you, Picard
is winning me over more and more and more.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
As the series goes on. I think he's a wonderful captain.
I think he's always trying to do the best by
his crew and the people that he interacts with. I
think he loves being in Starfleet and he takes his
job very seriously and I love that. And I will

(53:30):
I have to throw out one nitpick and I'll save
the rest for things left and said, I think it
would have been more appropriate to have Dianna Troy show
Scotty to his quarters rather than some rando, because I mean,

(53:52):
he's been dropped into a whole no century and who
better to help him through that?

Speaker 14 (54:00):
Then?

Speaker 7 (54:02):
Yh yeah, I mean he's he doesn't look a day
over one hundred and forty seven. Yeah, And then and
I think it again does a disservice to Troy when
the ensign on the bridge gets more lines in an episode.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
And totally good stuff, Thanks very much, Malise, alongas Strock
said the same thing about where's Troy in this? Very well,
I look at that he's clapping for you too. Good stuff.
Jason M. Oakin was also livid about that ensign getting

(54:43):
way too many lines. What do you think of this episode?

Speaker 9 (54:47):
I was livid, absolutely. I've been lived for thirty years.
I've always had a fine not for this one. It's
a wonderful episode. I think, you know, Jimmy doing I
had to wait for twenty five years to actually get
a show. This is probably the best material he's gotten
a Scotti, no question. I don't think anything even comes close.

(55:09):
And he is really really good in this. You can
actually see that the men can act because they really,
you know, would have you know, you had used Scotty
for comic relief a lot or just really sort of
bits and pieces in the original series, So this really,
you know, gives him a place to shine. I think
some people may have been disappointed at the time because
the I guess the stakes in the episode aren't that great.

(55:32):
This is not sort of this booming, big episode, but
it's a wonderful, wonderful episode, as Melisa said it, so
if you want to give it a hug, I think,
you know, certainly, having the episode Future.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
LeVar was great.

Speaker 9 (55:43):
You know, they both work well together, and this sort
of a slow burn as Jordi gets more and more
and more sort of set as Scotty kind of goes
from place to place to place. I mean that that
was just wonderful and sort of to go back to Troy,
you know the it's no secret there's a scene with
Troy and Scotty that was cut from the episode that

(56:05):
did that encounter did not go over too well. He
actually gets very very angry, and you know that's when
he shows up afterwards and ten forward going forward for
his Scotch not being all that happy. And again one
of the things that really works well here. And you
have the ticking clock, you have some sort of jeopardy,
you have you have character, and then you have humor

(56:26):
that's not forced. It's really kind of organic. There's just
a nice balance of everything. You know, you have these
organic callbacks to the original series. I think you know
Ron Moore's script really is you know, you can see
the love for the for the series coming out of there,
and it's just you know, the whole are of this
and you know, this was I think the first time
they had rebuilt at least part of the you know,

(56:47):
the wedge of the original enterprise, and a lot of
people would show up for it. I think the visual
they used from the side of Paradise, the actual sort
of white shot that they use for the for the
blue for the blue screen. I guess it was blue
screen at the time to show that, but the wedge
was you know, people showed up and looked at it.
I mean, it was rebuilt since but this was sort
of the first attempt to do something like that, and

(57:07):
it was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I mean, and that.

Speaker 9 (57:09):
Scene certainly with Patrick Stewart. Now all of that and
callbacks toud this is green, and it's green. I mean,
it's if you've seen the original series a lot of
just and again it's it's subtle enough that if you
haven't watched it, you're not going to kind of get
thrown over by that. But if you know what it is,
it brings a smile to your face. So it's I
think it ages just like wine gets better every year.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Great stuff, Thank you very much, Jason m oakin well,
Eve England is out in Wales. Remember Jason started off
in the first season saying this episode wasn't very good,
quite frankly, and we and then it turns out he
was right. These are good episodes. Eve England said the
same early on. What do you think of these episodes?

(57:55):
What do you think of this one?

Speaker 6 (57:56):
Yeah, I think I completely agree with that.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Said.

Speaker 15 (58:02):
There the things that have struck me I did get.
I think I became artested that it.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Will if you have some kind of a you have
some kind of echo in your audio, maybe you have
two things on at the same time. We want to
make sure we catch what you hear. We'll skip you
for a second and jump to Chuck A. But check
your audio real quick. Thank you. Uh, Chuck A is
the TMG fanatic. What do you think of this one?

Speaker 9 (58:27):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (58:28):
Really one of my favorite episodes. A couple of my
favorite scenes was, of course when Scotty says no bloody A, B,
C and D and he actually is talking to Mangel
on the computer like sort of talking to Christine Chapel.

(58:49):
Two different things that are really uh stand out for me.
There was a continuity error which I won't go into
because it'll be a spoiler between real and Star Trek generations.
You can read about it if you want to see,
but it's a pretty good continuity here. The other thing,

(59:10):
back in two thousand and three, I was at the
Creation Convention in Sacramento and Jimmy Dowin and LeVar Burton
were sitting next to each other signing, and I had
a gentleman coming to my table looking at the Relics plate,
and I suggested to him that hey, they're both sitting

(59:33):
over there, go and have them sign it. So he
bought the play, went over and had him sign it,
and then showed it to me.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
It was just wonderful.

Speaker 16 (59:40):
He was like real happy that he decided to go
and get their signatures.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Jimmy Dooing passed.

Speaker 16 (59:48):
Away a couple of years later, so he had a
real great collectible there. The other thing was the final
scene at the shuttle band where he's given the shuttle,
having the whole crew there, and you know, everybody congratulated
him and told him be safe and such, and his

(01:00:09):
reaction with Wharf was just WARF's reaction to him was
just hilarious. Uh, you know, everybody else shook his hand
or kissed him, and Wharf didn't, of course give any reaction.
And Jason mentioned the It's Green from That Was From
By Any Other Name? Original series episode and then the

(01:00:31):
alone of Troyus and Wolf in the Fold with gilias
our original series mentions one of my favorite episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Really fantastic, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Thanks very much, Chuck Ah. What about you? T J
Jackson Bay? Do you like this episode? And if so why?

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
I very much enjoyed this episode.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Like Melissa, you know, I've kind of had the hood
since I couldn't hug Scotty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Have to think.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
This awesome pillow from Melissa, if you can see it,
it keeps this sparence, but uh, this is walking art
made by Melisa, and it gets all the hugs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
I also really enjoyed the scene in the Holiday and
you know, like I can't remember who mentioned it, Uh,
I think it was Bubbles, but uh, we really did
get to see really did get to see, uh, you know,
Mistery doing perform, and you know, and as I was

(01:01:35):
watching it earlier today, you know, I was watching his
performance and seeing the emotional journey that he goes through.
You know, he comes out and and you know he's
just ready to get at it, and and then you know,
he gets to feeling like he doesn't fit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
And so that's why I really enjoyed the scene in
the Holiday because I think that's where you know, that
turns around.

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
You know, he gets a little bit inebriate, which was
fun because.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
And again also very good acting because I really felt that,
you know, he's sharing his feelings, he's you know, he's
just kind of in it, and I felt it with him,
you know, as he's going through that and he's feeling
like he doesn't fit, he says, you know, as they're
getting ready to walk out or having that conversation, and

(01:02:25):
this was my home.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
This is where I had a purpose, and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
I really appreciate, you know, Captain Picard, you know, being
very attentive to what's happening. And so you know, when
he goes to give LaForce the assignment, he says, one
of the most important things in.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
A person's life is to feel useful. And I believe
that that is true.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
And that's when we see, you know, JORDI kind of
shift and turn around and say, you know and start
to you know, kind of open up to Scotty, where
before you know, he was shutting them out and seeing
it out of the way, you know, to Jordie's credit,
you know, he was under a time France. The captains
want this thing done, and he's trying to get it done.

(01:03:13):
But I mean, come on, I also understand how Melissa
felt Jason I'm in Bubbles mention that the stakes weren't
In case somebody was wondering who Bubbles is, it's Jason.
The stakes aren't high. But I actually enjoyed that feature
of this episode because it gave me, you know, the

(01:03:34):
opportunity to really key in to mister doing you know,
acting and going through that journey without you know, being
distracted by stuff blowing up or are they going to
survive or any of that jazz, although you know they
you know, they kind of had you know, some stakes,
you know, getting pulled into the sphere. I've got some

(01:03:55):
questions about that later on, by the way, But all
in all, I really really enjoyed this episode and watching
their journey of you know him. I mean obviously, you know,
if you know, things have been different, he probably would
have just taken that shouble and say, yeah, I'm going
to you know, the Northern Colony, you know whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
It's time to settle down. I'm not useful anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
But I really.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Appreciate you know, the card sentiment too, that you know, hey,
this is one of us. We stand on his shoulders,
you know, as starfleet officers today. You know, he you know,
he's the foundation of Starfleet. You know that we wouldn't
know he's basically you know, we come from him, you know,
we come from the work that he put in, and

(01:04:43):
we need to honor that and and make him feel
a part of because he's one of us and we're
not going to leave him out. I really appreciate that sentiment.
I'll have more later, but I really enjoyed this episode. Thus,
people can get you know, in Vegas, come see.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Us in person, thanks very much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
T J.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Jackson, bay out in Missouri or in person Eve England.
Let's give it a shot. What do you say?

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Is it working now? All better? You got it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
That's not what's wrong?

Speaker 15 (01:05:16):
Yeah, I just I think I was frustrated that there
wasn't more about sort of how he was dealing with
that thing, and again not having Troy as a sort
of integral part of the episode. But then at the
same time I kind of just try to ignore that
and thought, no, this is this is a fan tribute,
you know, this is this is just all about the nostalgia.

(01:05:36):
So I kind of just try to embrace it for
what they were trying to do and have this sort
of legacy character come on Come on Board, and I
thought the interactions were great. Again similarly with in terms
of how Geordie reacted, I was kind of that made
me feel a little bit uncomfortable for what I think
they could have made that a little bit shorter, because
I was like, oh, that just feels a bit rude,

(01:05:58):
and you know, this guy's had a lot of of
you know, a big shock to a system, and you
know he's just being dismissed off hand like that. So
I thought it was really interesting that Picard was the
character who really sort of dealt with what he was
going through, and I thought that came across really well
and again really surprised me that it was Picard who
sort of took that role. So that was really refreshing

(01:06:19):
to see in how far he's come. I did like
the fact that it was all about relics. You know,
you had all the different ships, you had, you had Scottie,
and you had relics from the part of the show,
and I thought that was a really clever use of
the title. But I think that my biggest disappointment. I
think that there was more of that Dison sphere. I
was like, that is so cool, and it felt to
me that that should have had its own episodes, So

(01:06:40):
I would have liked to have seen the music a
different I don't know reason for that sort of the
danger and you know, the climax at the end of
the episode, and they'd used that for something else, because that,
to me was really interesting. And I think there's certainly
could have been another episode with the Dyson.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Sphere for sure, so something similar to what us Strak said,
he said this could have been a two parter, really
kind of fill it out a bit more. Thanks very much.
Eve England out in Wales, Alison Leech Hide is in
New Mexico probably, what'd you think of this one?

Speaker 17 (01:07:13):
Well, I've always loved this episode because Jordie is my
favorite next Gen character and Scotti is my number two
favorite original series Bones wins out because he's snarky. So
but I love this episode because we actually get to
see Scotty's personality and not just kind of like be

(01:07:34):
either the savior of the ship or the comic relief
like that's all he played. It felt like a lot
in the original series, but he got to have like
this whole growth and character arc, you know, we got
to see that, Yes, the man likes to drink. Yes,
he is a shameless flirt, but mostly he loves to
tinker and make things work when they shouldn't. And I

(01:07:56):
thought that was wonderful that they brought on and that
he's such a sweetheart. The line that gets me is
when Jordie says he's brilliant for you know, doing the
diagnostic to keep his pattern from disintegrating, and he goes,
I was only fifty percent brilliant, and I'm like, oh,
that's heart wrenching. I'm like, but that's Scotty. He that's

(01:08:17):
who he is. And I thought that was a lovely
way of just expressing this character who we've many of
us have grown up with our entire lives. So really
really love that we get to like flesh out Scotty's
character because you know, we didn't really get to do
that in the original series, and we got a little
bit more in the movies, but again more for comic relief.

(01:08:38):
You know, one of my favorite comic reliefs of his
is in the one with the whales with the mouse.
You know, that still makes me laugh every time I
watched the movie. But we got to see different sides
of Scotty. The scene with him in Picard, like everyone
has said, is just beautiful. They had wanted to like

(01:08:59):
put in him interact with original series characters from the
original series like we did in the in Deep Space Night,
but they hadn't figured it out yet, So that's why
it's in the books and the novelization of it, but
not in the episode would have been cool. I now
have personal head canon of why Scotty looks at Wharf

(01:09:19):
with like those big eyes, not just because ling On,
but because he's seen him before, like what but Wharf
wouldn't have known that yet, so he's just like, I'm
gonna like, just give this man some space. So that's
my personal head canon for for why Wharf was kind
of like, I'll give you space. You reacted to me
really funny, so I'm going to stay back over here.

Speaker 6 (01:09:42):
So I do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I love it.

Speaker 17 (01:09:44):
And when you know, right in the beginning, when the
transporter sound goes off and you get the original transporter sound,
you're like, oh, that we're getting an original character. The
first time I watched it, I'm like, oh, oh, oh, yes,
and that is the original sound. Dan Curry went and
found it because he used to work for that production company.

(01:10:07):
He knew they had it in a box somewhere, so
like that was like my favorite little like fan service
right there. So I could gush about what I love
about this episode for a long time. I too, am
very annoyed about Troy not getting to do her job
and us seeing it, so but other than that, I
do enjoy this episode a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Mm hmm, great stuff. Yeah, definitely the transporter sound and
then the sound when they walk onto the bridge was
just amazing. Thank you very much, Alison Leech Hide Carrie
Schwent aka Crafty Bearer living it Up. How did you
find the time to watch this episode and what did
you think of it?

Speaker 12 (01:10:44):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:10:45):
Watched the episode a couple of times early earlier in
the week. That's just sort of the the way I
prepped for it. But yeah, I was so glad to
be able to fit this in because I love this
episode so much. I appreciate it. I think even more
are now because we have been going through all the
all the all the TS episodes, so I actually get

(01:11:06):
all of the little in jokes that are Pep Pepper
Pepper throughout throughout the episode, and I never really did before.
So I love that so much, and I loved that
it was written by by someone who actually who is
a fan of the of the original series. I can't
remember who it was supposed to write it, but they

(01:11:27):
they knew, they knew that they want there was a
different script that they wanted to write, so they they
give it to Ron Moore, who was a major fan,
and it absolutely shows. The whole episode is almost like
a little bit of a love letter to it. I
think I loved Yeah, I just I loved their interactions.
Although when when they're when Jordie is snippy with him,

(01:11:48):
and it actually kind of reminded me of Luke and
Yoda's in the initial meeting in the Empire Strikes Back
when Yoda's messing with all the Luke's stuff. That is
a little little we can't little make shift camp sight
there just just makes me smile. And Allison actually have
an additional potential head cannon for the looks that Scotty

(01:12:11):
gives Wharf because he sees Whorf and he remembers, oh, yeah,
I sent them all those tribles.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:12:19):
I immediately thought of that and just like, oh, yeah,
he sent them all those tribles. He probably won't wonders
if if if Whorf knows that he's sent all the
all those tribles, and something else encouraged me in relation
to that is in the Trible the Tribles episode, all
he all Scotty wants to do is hang aunder the

(01:12:40):
Enterprise and read his technical manuals. But when Picard mentions it,
he's like, I don't need to read those anymore. So
clearly he has moved on to an equally fun hobby
since technical manuals apparently don't do it for him anymore.
But yeah, Picard made me smile. He was wonderful with

(01:13:01):
with both Jordy and and and with Scotty and in
his scenes with both of them. And it's absolutely clear
that Picard grew up on a vineyard and has a
very good alcohol tolerance. The way he just knocked that
alder Burn whiskey back like it was like it was
like it was green Hawaiian punch, I mean, just knocked

(01:13:23):
it back. Absolutely made me smile. And every now and
then for other other things come up and I hear
Scotty say no bloody A B, C or D. That
will always that will always always make me smile. I've
got something kind of kind of fun and interesting about
James Dowing's final final acting role before he stopped acting.

(01:13:45):
I'll say that for things left un said, because it's interesting.
But I did obviously make make the limerick for the
episode about about Scotty, so it's his POV. Now old
does not have to mean obsolete when needed, I can
still think on my feet was about to retire. There's

(01:14:09):
new fuel in my fire. I now have new adventures to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Seek Nice and his shuttle. It'll be fun. Thanks very much.
Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear, Faith Howell, what's up? Cool shirt?
What'd you think of this one?

Speaker 11 (01:14:24):
I mean, what's not to love? Seriously? You know, any
time we get Scotty or any any of our you know,
legacy characters when they come back, it's a special moment,
right so you know, as you guys have all said,
that was really the main draw for this episode was
getting to see Scotty again. But I love that they

(01:14:45):
didn't stop there. It wasn't just a fluff piece with
Scotty inserted. We got some real sci fi substance in
this episode that Dice and sphere really like, That's something
that I can sit and ponder on for hours, Like
how would you make something like that, you know, would
really benefit you know, humanity, because it would be the

(01:15:06):
entire orbit, not just in a circle, but like three
sixty so it would be exponential how much space and
you know farmable land that we would have for people.
But also wouldn't that require way more materials than we
have in the Solar system, So you know, I could

(01:15:29):
I could go down a rabbit hole here. I also,
you know, kind of the same thing with that whole
transporter issue, Like that's super cool, and we you know,
we get a little taste of that in Strange New
Worlds as well, with I think in Binga fighting the
Klingons where they're they're putting people in stasis. Basically that's

(01:15:53):
pretty cool and pretty ingenious, and I love that that
is something like that is one hundred percent Sky's wheelhouse, right,
Like that totally makes sense, not forced at all. And
then you know, as you guys said, I I didn't
realize that this was written by a fan writer or
you know, somebody that had a deep love for Trek,

(01:16:14):
But now I definitely can see it. And I just
want to do a shout out on that point to
Aaron Walkey, because that is why I love all of
his stuff, and please can we have him back for anything? Ever,
all the things let him be a showrunner, Like, let's.

Speaker 7 (01:16:29):
Just do it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
So I did.

Speaker 11 (01:16:32):
I did com prepared with my own beverage. So let's uh,
let's raise one if you've got one to Scottie and
all of all of our wonderful track actors and team
and behind the scenes and everybody that makes the show amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
So absolutely he thanks very much. Faith Howell on the
bridge of the Enterprise d the Dark Lord, Chris McGee,
what's say you?

Speaker 8 (01:17:02):
I say, what a fantastic episode. I mean, not only
do we get to see Jordy do his troubleshooting thing
that we all love, but he gets to do it
alongside the greatest engineer Starfleet has ever known. And watching
Scotty teach Jordy the tricks of the trade, so to speak,
just how to get captains to think of you as
a miracle worker or to always be a big wee
bit conservative on paper is an absolute thrill.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
I remember.

Speaker 8 (01:17:27):
One of the funny criticisms circulating at the time of
this episode was whenever the show's ratings start to fall,
they bring back an original cast member to help boost them.
Whether that was true or not, I don't care. I'm
just happy they did. But everyone's already mentioned most off,
not all of the delightful callbacks to the original series. Allison,
for example, mentioned the original Cities Transporter sound effect, all

(01:17:50):
the stories that Scotti told, like from Elana troyas Wolf
in the Fold, and even the Naked Time having come
up with a whole new cold start, and of course
that it is green. Everyone's mentioned that from by any
other name, And of course the biggest standout callback my
own the Holiday Doors opening up instead of Scotti stepp
pitting out onto the original series bridge, which everyone just

(01:18:14):
me included just teared up over. Also, others mentioned in
that cargo Bay scene with Scotty and Warf just kind
of looking at each other rather than exchanging fair it's
the only scene in which Marina Sirtis appears, and I
think anyway, and it's the she only has one line
which is consisting of only one word, even goodbye. It's

(01:18:35):
kind of a shame. And of course we do get
an instant Jay signing at the environment rear station next
to Riker. Yay, oh boy. The memorable quote of the episode.
I mean, wow, was this one difficult just paring it
down to my short list of five, let alone ranking them.
But since my top choice has already been mentioned a

(01:18:56):
few times, I it was my second choice. And that's
uh George saying just because something's old doesn't mean you
throw it away.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
M was number one. It's green.

Speaker 8 (01:19:08):
Actually no, it was no bloody A.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Or D. Great. Thank you very much, Christ excellent.

Speaker 13 (01:19:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Jake's final take srock lofton any final thoughts on this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yeah, there was a few moments that I thought were
really good from James Johan's performance. One of them was
when he was in the sick bay and he said engineering,
I thought you'd never asked.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
Oh yeah, you got I'm so happy, And then.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
When they kind of said now we're good, the look
on his face of this disappointment was also well played
As an actor. I thought he really wore that well
in his body language and his patients expressions, So kudos
to him on that. I kind of want to double
back on the dyce in sphere that you know, Faith

(01:20:02):
was talking about. What I would have liked a little
bit of background information is like what civilization or a
race of people is able to construct that and that
that would let us lead us to some really high
advanced people's right, And so I thought, that's kind of

(01:20:23):
a curiosity that I didn't see followed up on in
the episode. The other thing is, I thought another great
moment performance wise when James Dehan was in that craft
the uh Jenolan with Jordie and he gives them the

(01:20:47):
convincing speech like I've been I've been asked to do
crazy my whole life, and you've got to you know,
I can do this, And he really sells Jordy on
his life experience, on what he's been asked to do,
and you can see the genuine like you gotta trust
me type of expression in his face. And I thought
that was another great performance by James Dohan, really conveying

(01:21:12):
you know, a lifetime worth of feelings and emotions in
that one kind of exchange.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
That was really spectacular.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Another moment I like is the look of disgust when
he heard about Cyntha Hall.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Yeah, like he would not let fedanol pass, that's for
uh So, Yeah, he's he does not like artificial things.
You can tell that, And so I love the way
he reacted in that moment. And then you know, I guess.

(01:21:51):
One of the things I also want to say was that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
I agree that Card when he's written like this, really
comes across as a good leader, when he leads with compassion,
when he's thoughtful, and he worries about people's feelings the
moment when he tells Jordie, he's like's not an order,
but I'm asking you to do this, and that is

(01:22:19):
good leadership. That is what a good captain does. And
I like that about how they're writing for him as
of late, and he's definitely matured and showed incredible leaps
as far as how I perceive him in his leadership
as a captain. So I enjoy watching that because I

(01:22:41):
think it's important to have the leader of your show
and the star of your show be somebody that we
admire and is thoughtful and compassionate and not short tempered.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
And irritated all the time. So kudos to the writers
for fixing that. And then the last thing I'll say is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Uh, when Jordy is walking uh dohand you know, Scotty
into the turbo lift and he's like, man, I can't
believe all of this stuff, and then Jordy says to him,
wait till you see the holiday.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
Yeah, what are we talking about, dug flour?

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Why are you so excited over there? Jordy calmed down,
So yeah, that was kind of funny to me too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
So yeah, this was just really a nice, lovable moment.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Nobody germophobe in me was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
When Scotty offered that drink to Captain Picard, I was like, yeah,
you've been drinking out him, right, I mean, like yes, sorry, like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Just the German Befovian me. But he couldn't have been
walking down carrying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Two glasses in the beginning, so that wouldn't even make sense,
you know. Definitely like this episode. I definitely love the performance.
I like the fact that Scotty got a chance to
have an episode that's that, you know, gives him a
chance to shine.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
And also that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Jordie gets an episode you know where he got a
chance because he rarely gets featured.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
So you know this this was good for me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Everybody mentioned the Deanna Troy thing, and I thought, you know,
Deanna Troy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Or Gynan would be the best people.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
If I was unfrozen from seventy five years, I would
want Gynan or Troy to walk me through coming back
into the you know the time period that I'm in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
I definitely don't want war.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Jeordie's too busy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Jordy's too busy data would actually be a good phrase.
I think they would be great too. But but yeah,
so that's this is a great episode. I enjoyed a
lot relics. It is good.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
It's a good one. Everybody's happy here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
And we didn't say anything about alex Alexander Singer who
directed this, but I also think that he did a
good job. I don't remember seeing Alexander Singer's name that
much in the credits that are Nomini episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I think it's his first pretty rare Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Yeah, so it was pretty good, pretty good job.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
It sounds like something to discuss in things left unset.
Everybody at home. If you have got to know more
about Alexander Singer, uh, stick around.

Speaker 14 (01:25:44):
Uh.

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