Transporter Accident! | TNG 6.7, "Rascals" | T7R #363 - The 7th Rule -- A Star Trek Podcast with DS9's Cirroc Lofton

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The enterprise computer system is controlled by three primary processor
cores cross linked with the redundant Mellichortz Ramastat fourteen kiloquad
interface modules. The core element is based on an FTL
nanoprocessor with twenty five bilateral calilacterals, with twenty of those
being slaved into the primary heisen Fram terminal. Hello everybody,

(00:20):
and welcome to the seventh row with sar Rock Lofton.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
You read that better than Riker Job.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
My name is Ryan t Husk. We did both read that,
and today we're doing a review of Star Trek the
Next Generation Season six, Episode seven, entitled Rascals. Story by
Ward Botsford and Diana Drew Botsford, Comma and Michael Pillar.
Teleplay by Alison Hawk, directed by our pal Adam Nimoy.

(00:53):
This was Halloween, October thirty first, nineteen ninety two. Where
were you and how you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Sarrock doing great?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
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(02:20):
you've never seen this episode before, sarrak, but let me
tell you, yeah, I I everybody everybody's been waiting for
this episode to see what your reaction is to it.
And I definitely thought of you a few times when
they pop up on the transporter Pad, give me your
initial unfiltered reaction of the four of them are suddenly

(02:45):
twelve year olds.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I was thinking, what took them so long to do
an episode like this, because it feels like anybody who
watches Star Trek could have wrote this episode or come
up with an idea like this, you know, pretty fairly quickly.
It's it's basically like Tom Hanks is Big or Freaky
Friday or all of these kind of you know movies

(03:12):
where an adult is in a kid's body type situation.
So it almost felt like it took them six seasons
to figure that figure this one out, like this is
an easy this is an easy low hanging throuit. But
you know, I was really thinking that from the opening
scene that the this was going to be unusual because

(03:37):
it was the weirdest collection of people that I think
I've ever seen in an opening scene. Yeah, I'm basically
people we never see that much, with the exception of
the card and even Rolerin is not that established yet,
so she's not like in every episode right now, She's
still a you know, a role of the I whether

(04:00):
you're gonna see it or not. So to see Roller
and Keiko, well, I don't even know when the last
time I saw Keiko.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Was once or twice. Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Also guying in like another Hayley's comic type character that
just comes in for those great moments, steals the show
and walks away. It's like, wow, four of them in
the same episode. So I was I was thinking, Wow,
this is going to be unusual. This is a pairing.
You know, you talk about the away teams and who

(04:35):
gets sent down on the away teams. This was basically
an away team pairing that we haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Before, right, And that's kind of like what you remember
that story. Uh, that's kind of like when uh, when
you first see the episode that the very first thing
you think is what For me personally, I thought, what
a great group you have. Not we've never seen Guynan

(05:02):
on an away mission or Keiko Rose done something in
a shuttle crap. You're the first thinking is Hey, this
is really cool. We get to focus on these characters
and these actors. It's going to be really great. Something's
gonna happen because there's really no world in which those

(05:23):
four should be on an away mission together. It was very, very,
very strange. So it feels like the immediate thought is, Okay,
they put them together for a story, but then they
put them together for a story of them as kids,
and then the actors aren't even in it. I would
have much rather. First of all, I do love this
episode and it was a lot of fun. But that

(05:43):
being said, I would have loved to see these four
actually be on an away mission as the adult. I
want to see Whoopee. I want to see Rosalind, I
want to see Michelle Forbes. I want to see Patrick
Stewart in a group doing their thing where they can
actually get their limelight. Uh not as kids, because that

(06:05):
doesn't really feel like the regular characters. Or I would
have rather this be four of the main cast become kids,
and so then people like Keiko and ro Laren and
Guynan need to step up on the enterprise because for example,
if you know, Gynan has to step up in the

(06:26):
absence of Troy, and Cako needs to step up because
O'Brien you know, as a kid, and Rolerin needs to
step up because well not data but let's say wharf
you know that then they can still be featured. But anyway,
so great episode, fun times, but I I feel like
there's a missed opportunity there to where the main the

(06:49):
actual actors that usually play these characters. It would have
been great to see them getting this episode, but there's
no way to do that when they're kids.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, which is because you're like, oh, wow, they finally
paired them all together, and it's like, oh no, they didn't.
It's just a teaser, you know. And and then also
just like the weird First of all, I think it's
weird for the shuttle crap to have four people just
just let's start off. Let's start off with it.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I thought, my oh, you wanted to have six No,
it should be a two seater or nothing.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes, unless you're rescuing somebody, then you can bring two
people on board. But as a comfortable passenger seat vehicle,
that doesn't look like a comfortable space right there for
four people. That looks like a you know, a two seater,
like you know, it doesn't. Even when they were going
through the wreckage of it, the frame, they had a

(07:52):
box frame, steel frame kind of looking like it was
the destroyed version of that thing. When you look at it,
you're like, four people can't fit in that thing. It's
like trying to put two people instead of a grocery
shopping cart, you know, so it's a one seater. You know,
you can't put two people in there, So I don't know,

(08:15):
just just off top, I'm like, how do four people
go in a little shuttle craft? That would give me claustrophobia?
Off top, I mean, you know, me and my dad
sailed in a little sales ship and that felt crowded,
you know, and that was the two of us, and
it still felt crowded because there's not that much space
to walk around in and you know, stretch it, you know,

(08:36):
just walk around and stretch you can't stand up straight.
It's just like it's cramped space. So yeah, that off top,
I'm like, what the hell is four people doing in
a little transporter thing? Right? And then you're thinking and
what would bring these four together? It's just a weird thing.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Like that's the interesting part. Yeah, Like you then you
start thinking what was going on on that planet? You know,
there's there's or maybe they just all four just did
different things. Like that's what it seemed like. Because Picard
was doing archaeology, they made fun of them for being
in a cave. What's your name? Keiko was doing like
Botany rolerin was you know, being grouchy and whatever. So

(09:19):
maybe they were just like, Hey, we're going to stop
at this planet. Does anybody have any business there? And
they're like I do, and they all went on their
separate ways. I would have liked to see the episode
of them on the planet doing things and then maybe
the Frangi arrive and something Zany happens. That would have
been really fun.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
That would have been fun. I agree with that, because again,
the pairing was so weird and you know, let's just
take this episode out of it. Let's say we were
constructing our own reason to put a group of four

(09:57):
together to go to a planet. Right, I would construct
something like as far as a writing is a writing tool,
I would say, it's a wedding or a bachelor party. Right,
So if you have four random characters that you've never
see together, and I guess in a bachelor party case,

(10:21):
it would be four male characters to going together, right,
but it's the four that you never see working together.
You're like, what is the bully and barber and you know,
and wharf and you know, like just a weird combo. Right,
you would be like, that's kind of where we never
see them hanging out together. And then it was a
bachelor party or some kind of thing that they're all
going to boom that would have been fun to see.

(10:43):
Or even the ladies going to a bachelorette party that
you know, take the card out of it, substitute Troy
or somebody, and they were going out for ladies night
on the town. And you know that Quadrants version of Vegas.
You know what I mean. Now that's a story I
kind of want to see. I want to see Keiko

(11:04):
and you know what I mean, I want to see
them them letting loose girl, Yeah, like a hang of
their own hangover Star Trek's version of Hangover Marlonia.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's what the place is called, Marlonia.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
So that being said, now we got now that we
got all of our cry cries out of the way.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
This is a fun episode that is loved by many people.
Maybe some people don't like it. Maybe some people are like,
I don't want to see the kid versions of these people.
But obviously it was lighthearted, it was funny. It was
confusing with the Ferrangi suddenly popping out of the Klingon ships,
but uh, it was nice because we got a little

(11:45):
bit of it felt like character development, uh, with these
people as kids, you know, like we got to see
it felt like we got to know more about the
characters because we got to see how they would act
in a certain situation, you know, like Rolerin we we
probably learned the most about her backstory, you know, how

(12:07):
her childhood was difficult, and it was really sweet to
see her say you know it was better than I
remember it or something like that. At the end. There
was a really good moment at the end, Guynan as
a kid. She was just like, awesome, I haven't been
a kid for ten thousand years. I'm gonna jump on
a bed.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
The card was super stiff. A lot of funny moments
when he comes in to try to tell Warf what
to do, and WARF's like, I will not listen to
a child, you know. And then and then Keiko trying
to hug up on Miles and he's like, uh, I
don't like this. The best part though, what's Molly? She

(12:47):
goes not you mom. She messed her up so badly.
I was very happy about that.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Me too. Me too, because you know, kids don't hold back.
They're like they just say whatever. She tacked her up,
Lay whoever you are and.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Get her out of here. She was so mean about it.
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I did dear. That was funny. You know. I guess
I'm gonna be nitpicking a lot in this episode, but
I'm going to just go for it. Yeah, you know,
I had a little bit of an issue with all
of them aging to the same age.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I thought Gynan should have came back slightly younger but
still older.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, if she's like a million years old or whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, if she's that old. Okay, they and they
went back forty fifty years or whatever the number is.
You know, but how could they all end back up
at twelve? Like they all have different ages, you know
what I'm saying this?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
And also, who's to say that twelve years in l Arian,
which is what Diynan is, if they live forever, maybe
twelve year old twelve year olds still look like babies
to them. Maybe they age really slowly. That would have
been a fun and interesting thing to explore too. But
you know, you understand why they didn't do that is
because it was supposed to be an episode about these
twelve year olds save the day. You know, and if

(14:13):
Gynan was an infant, they'd be like, Okay, well we'll
just put you in this closet for safe kip keeping
and move on. But yeah, there were a lot of
things like that. Also, they didn't didn't really seem twelve
to me. But I don't know, like this, especially if

(14:35):
young Picard looked like he was sixteen or.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
That he was about fifteen, he was about fourteen to fifteen.
I think for he was. And actually I enjoyed his
performance because I think too he did a really good
job of embodying what Picrd does, So kudos to that kid.
I thought he was. He matched some of the mannerisms,
and I don't know if it was under just direction

(14:58):
alone or if it's some s actual things that he
had from watching him. But there were moments, for example,
when he was in the in Picard was in his
own ready room talking to Beverly and she's like, you know,
I don't think you know, people are going to look
at you the same. It's going to be difficult for
you to command. He got up out of his seat

(15:18):
and walked towards the window the same way Picard would have,
you know, And the only difference I noticed in performance wise,
between what Piccard would have done and what that kid
actually did, was that Picard would have delivered the line
facing the camera with his face to the camera, where
as the kid delivered the line with his back to

(15:41):
the camera looking out of the window. Just because Picard
has that extra I mean, Patrick Stewart has that extra
added experience of knowing, I want my lines to be
with my face accompanied by my face as opposed to
letting you see the back of my head and giving lines.

(16:03):
That's the only difference that I would that I noticed
performance wise, how the real Patrick Stewart would have, you know,
his body, mannerisms and and things of that nature. The tone,
it was pretty accurate, So you know, I was in
I was enjoying his performance.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I agree with you there. Actually that reminds me of
the thing that uh that The only thing that took
me out of it with the kid was not his performance,
but his accent felt like it was a different British
accent than Macard's. Oh sorry, I mean different French accents
all but we all think that Captain mccartt is very Yeah,

(16:49):
so everybody at home, people that actually know what they're
talking about, not me. I could be one hundred percent
wrong about these British accents. But somebody that does know
about British accents, preferably somebody that lives in the UK,
can you tell us what was the kid's accent and
what is Picard's accent? I feel like Picard's actually just

(17:10):
straight up London. Maybe the kid is too. I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it felt like a different accent
or a different you know, dialect, or so that was
the only thing. But I do agree that he did
a great job with what he could control. We don't
want an impression of Picard. Don't try to do an
impression of his accent. Just do your thing and act

(17:32):
like him in mannerisms and in uh physicality, which I
thought he did very well, thank God, because you really
need that for this episode. If you don't get that,
he got by far the most screen time and lines
of all the kids. If they didn't find an actor

(17:53):
that can portray Picard, it would have really hurt this
episode a lot.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
You know, yeah, it would have. And you know there
was parts of me that wanted to see him actually
be the kid captain for a second longer longer than
he was totally because I liked the awkwardness. I liked
how Warf was like, I'm not going to take orders
from this guy, and then you know, Franks looks at

(18:19):
him like that's cool.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Riker was so hesitant to that. Riker was giving really
good looks. He's so good at.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
The looks, especially when they got into turbo limb and
he did one of those like look down at him
and then and then he looks back and he's like,
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not looking at you.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
And the camera angle was perfect for that because I
was looking up at them.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know, yes, yes, it was a good camera angle.
It was a good performance.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And that's why I kind of would have liked to
see him be the captain as a kid a little bit,
because he was pretty good. Like he was like right
away from them when they were in the med bay
and you know, everybody was, you know, doing their diagnostics.
Doctor Crusher was checking all four of them out, and
then he kind of baby Picard gets up, he tucks

(19:05):
his shirt down. He's like, Okay, what you'll do is
you'll do this number and you'll take the diagnostics of her,
and then number one you're with me, And I was like,
this kid, this kick hell unnerved. The way he said,
the way he said number one, Yeah, the way he
said number one, you're with me was literally accurate. It
was right on point because you know, it had the

(19:25):
same inflections as Picard when he says it. So it
was great. And the look on everybody's face like it
is Picard.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
But they're like, should we sell him? I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
He's still per Card, like he still has the mental capacity,
like he's he could still out debate me, he outranks me,
he has the the linguistic ability to defend his point,
to articulate his life experience. So he has all the
tools except your little kid. And I was like, what
do you want to do? Like still a little kids?
Hard from me, orders from me. I would have liked

(20:01):
them to extend that a little bit longer to a
point where it became an issue. Right, maybe it would
have came an issue. For example, Let's say baby Picard
is in charge and we get all the awkward looks
and the data is like rolling his eyes and work
is like, okay, I can only take so much of this,
and you know, and all of that we get, we

(20:22):
juiced that out a little bit more, and then we get, uh, sir,
we have two bird of praise decloaking, and now they're
hailing us. Now it's like, all right, guys, I'm gonna
now you bail.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
That would have been a time to say, you know what,
they're not.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Going to take us seriously if there's a kid saying yes,
sun down your weapons. But I'm so glad to hear
you say baby Picard because that's literally what I was
calling them in my notes. I was calling them baby
Picard and baby guying in and stuff like that. I
don't need to call them kid. They're baby basically. But
oh also, ay, as long as we're nitpicking here, like okay,

(21:13):
when they transported over, they were their clothes were loose fitting,
of course because they shrank. But then when Picard transported
back into an adult, he had the perfect fitting clothes on.
He didn't go from like a kid in those clothes

(21:33):
to like transport it back and suddenly, you know, like
his bellies showing because his shirt's like super short, and
he's got like ankles showing, and you know, sleeves are
ripping and stuff like that. I mean, it's just a
minor nitpick, but I'm like, hey, I noticed. You know,
I'm not saying I need to see Picard naked, but

(21:54):
if you're going to transport and you're wearing tiny clothes
and then you're gonna here is a bigger person, you
should probably get naked or you might get choked by
your shirt, or just put on like a robe or
a blanket because you're gonna anyway.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, yeah, you could dress for that. You could say, hey,
put on the baggy clothes that would fit you when you're.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Back, but this time the clothes grew with him anyway. Whatever. Yeah,
just very minor nitpick, and it reflects more poorly on
me than on the episode that this is something that
bothers me because this always happens in everything I've ever
seen with kids cartoons and with movies. Honey, I shrunk

(22:36):
the kids and everything, like the clothes always go with them.
It's the weirdest thing.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, And you know, I get why people don't really
like the kids centered episodes, the Rashe Alexander Rashanko episodes
and stuff like that, you know, but I the reason
almost gets brought up in this episode, which is like
the Feengi guys says it's cool to bring children on

(23:03):
a starship or a board a starship or something to
that degree. And so I think there are some people who,
for whatever reason, may be because they served in the military
or they have strong views about this, they might think
that it's not a place for children to be in
a board, you know, this kind of a vessel. It's

(23:24):
a little bit different on the space station like DS
nine ones, because that's more of a grounded place and
it's not a vessel designed for battle for you know,
with warheads and all this kind of photons and all
this stuff. It's just essentially a stationary place that makes
more sense for.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Plus, it's just way more people. They're just families. It's
not something that's going out and exploring and putting themselves
in harms way. It's just a station.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I expect to see kids on an army base or
a naval base, because I'm sure there's bunk, there's housing there,
there's shops there that it makes and sport to see one,
let's say, but not battleship or you're on your aircraft carrier.
Get doing here, you know.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh that's my family. It's Okay, he's he understands the
risks the four year old does. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
gets it, he gets it.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Can you stop your baby from crying while we're trying
to shoot?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, we're in a submarine. We're trying to keep it quiet.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Hey, we got to jump to our break. Let's do that,
and then I'll tell you Sarak something in this episode
that I thought was done better than any other episode ever.
On the other side, we'll be right back on the
seventh Rule. I know. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the
seventh Rule of Sarak Lofton. Here come the Trivioids of

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the week. Row Keiko, Guynan and Captain mccarr visited Marlonia.
There's a forty loss in the mass, so the people
O'Brien is transporting there are one hundred and three members
of the science team on Lego seven. Guyan wants to
play and she totally gets it. Picard can't take himself
seriously as a kid. Kek O'Brien's plants turned into seedlings.

(25:14):
Guynan believes Ensign Roe was a jumper. Mally O'Brien was
in primary care. On Deck fourteen, Captain Picard borrows Alexander's toy.
The enterprise computer system is controlled by three primary process
or cores cross linked with a redundant Mellochortz Ramostat fourteen
kiloquad interface module. The core element is based on an

(25:34):
FTL nanoprocessor with twenty five bilateral kelilactals, with twenty of
those being slaid into the primary heisen Fram terminal. My
favorite word was heisen Fram and all those I'm like,
if that FRANGI can't tell, then Heisenfram is made up,
then I can't help you. And Ryker okay, can we
say like joking aside, Jonathan Franks was totally reading that.

(25:58):
He was reading like it was the first time you
ever saw it, because the writers were probably like, of course,
read it. Nobody can memorize that nonsense. It's not even
real stuff. It's not even real words.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Except for Jordie LaForge. She probably was like, maybe.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Do you want me to say it for you want
to need a body double?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
He's like, actually, your line is yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Because there was one thing that I caught. I'm like,
I don't know if it was the writer's or what
it was, but it says cross linked with a redundant
Mellachortz ramastat fourteen kiloquad interface modules. I'm like, which one
is it? Is it A or is it plural modules?
So there was some kind of mistake in there, but

(26:44):
I took that that was the quote. That's what it was,
so I felt like a dumb dumb saying it. But
I'm like, I'm just saying words that were said. I
don't know. It reminds me of this video. I don't
know if you've seen it, maybe I could pull it
up that had It was like from maybe the seventies

(27:06):
or eighties where some guy came up with like the
most complicated, made up way to describe, you know, some
engine parts or something like that. It's hilarious. I don't
remember exactly what it is about. Try to find it.
Some people in the live chatter in the commons below
might know what I'm talking about. But he's saying things
like that. He's saying and he's like demonstrating, He's like

(27:27):
and then the Melachortz rama stat fourteen kill aquad interfaces
with the primary heisen Fram terminal and you're like why,
You're like, what the is he talking about? Anyway?

Speaker 6 (27:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, I mean that was so obvious that he was
reading that. It was actually a little funny to watch, Yeah,
because you're watching him try to play it off, but
then also like not even attempt to try to memorize, right,
So he's doing both at the same time. He's like,
there's no way I'm going to memorize this, but I'm

(28:05):
going to try to play it off like I'm not reading.
So you know, it was all right, you know, I
thought it was. His scenes were great. Let me just
say this, I mean, I don't know, there's just too
many things. I guess I'm nitpicking about this episode. Uh,
the Farrangi are not a villainous character. Just stop. Stop

(28:29):
it with the Farrangi's plotting to do something crazy theting enough, No,
they're not. And three Farrangi takes over a ship with
sixteen hundred people on it, Like come on, Like I
don't know. I wasn't buying it. I don't like them
as the main villain. Now, I like them as the
outwitting you villain, the like the smart, canniving kind of villain,

(28:53):
right the you know, the the guy who's selling arms
to the up to the real villain, right right, but
I don't see them as the the main villain, and
there's no intimidate intimidation factor there. It feels like there's
no way somebody like Warf or Riker or anybody really

(29:17):
would not just try to punch, punch and beat him
up in a physical fight.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well that was crazy too, that Wharf even lost a
battle to a FARRANGI. This is getting bad. Like he
comes out, He's like, I'm going to destroy He shoots
the FARRANGI dodges it and knocks him out, and like, okay,
at this point, Warf isn't just getting beat up by
like monsters on the bridge. He's getting or old men
on the bridge, or ladies that turn into monsters. He's

(29:42):
getting beat up by FARRANGI. Now, like this poor guy,
he's supposed to be like our big security guy. But
this is what they do. They this is how you
make something seem scary and dangerous. It's like we get
our biggest, baddest guy and if they knock him out, WHOA.
Now the steaks are raised because they knocked out Warf.

(30:03):
But at the same time, it's like if you do
it every week.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, he looks weak, he looks weak, and it's like, yeah,
I wasn't. I just like, I'm like, come on, guys,
the Reki can't be your villains. First of all, the
for REGGI show up in a Klingon ship, so that's
another light. I was like, what are we doing here?
Like why did they need to be in a Kleingon

(30:27):
ship because it had to be cloaked. Uh. It just
felt weird, felt weird. If they were Klingons, I would
have been happier, you know, just like rogue Klingons, you know,
beat up on Wharf, call them a you know, a
sellout for joining the fiteralation. Like that's that's more believable
Wharf being beat up by some Klingons that are taking
over the ships. Maybe you know some row Klingons. I

(30:50):
don't know. The FRANGI just kills me. I'm like, yeah,
they're they're the negotiator guys.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
They're yeah, they're like they're conniving. They're the plotters, the
planners that you know, but they're less than.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
They've met them now as other villains. Remember they were
in the episode where they were stealing the they were
trying to steal the angel Reproductive Lady.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
That was we'll see. We're also at the disadvantage of
like having watched all of Deep Space nine, when by
then they've they've completed their metamorphosis, they've completed their transition
from what they tried to be in the TNG or
what they tried to make them in TG and then
what they are in Deep Space nine fits so much better.

(31:35):
But they wanted initially for the Farrangi to be like
the new big bad, the new Klingons, the new Romlins,
the new scary Ferrangi. But it didn't work. And as
time progressed, you know, next Generation moved them along in
that direction. Then Deep Space nine kind of I think
perfected what the race ended up being. But yeah, we're

(31:59):
currently in the process of going in.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
That area and it's not good. And speaking of the Ferengi,
there is one of the Ferrangi that we're in this
episode is on Deep Space nine as the barkeeper for
a quarks bar. Oh. You know, we worked with him
for years. He's kind of the really small, very petitent

(32:26):
guy that's wearing the Ferrangi costume. He worked with us
for many years, so I want to shout him out.
I don't know his name, off top of he was
always quiet.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Mike Gomez, Tracy Walter, David b Levinson, Adam Lieberman. Yeah,
I'll check, because they did that.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
A couple of them might be David. It might be
David b levitson.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
A couple of them looked very familiar, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
One in particular, towards halfway to a middle point was
the guy who you always see at quarts. He's basically
the you know, the bus boy, yeah at quarts. So
he works under.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
ROMs character whoa so the main guy like Damon Lurin,
you know, like the main captain guy of the Farrangi.
He did one other Star Trek episode. He was in
the Last Outpost, which is the very first Farrangie episode ever,
the fourth episode of Next Generation.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
So that's interesting and his performance is better this time around.
If you noticed that first episode performance was terrible.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Tracy Walter, Let's look up Tracy Walter real quick, because
there are a couple of them that looked familiar to
me too. I felt like I'd seen them a bunch,
but I wasn't sure if it was in Deep Space
nine or previous episodes. Let me see, Yeah, you're not
this guy. He's in also two episodes of Next Generation.

(34:05):
He was also in the Last out Post, So they
just brought those two guys back from the Last out.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Post, I think so. Yeah, they did look familiar, probably
because they were already sized up with the prosthetics in
the makeup and they didn't want to go through a whole.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Mother You're right, But then they added completely different performances
because they're probably like, Okay, so the Frankie have changed
in the last few years. We want you to act
this way, not Yeah, I feel like it's David b Levinson.
I feel like I've seen his name a thousand times before.
Let's see, Yep, it was him. Broke Broke. That was

(34:39):
the frangie name of the guy. You know. It was
always kind of like broke, get over here and do
you know? And he was kind of like, yeah, broke, yes,
and he would just kind of do the thing. He
was in forty nine episodes of Deep Space nine. Yeah
as Broke from the first season all the way to
the seventh season. And and if.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I'm not mistaken, he was doubling like he was also
like what Randy was doing, where he would be a stand.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Right for he was a stand in for Arman.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yep, Yeah, for Arman.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
That's awesome. He also was Broik in Voyager. I think
it must have been the first episode. Yep, in the
first episode and uh next Generation. He was in a
few things a few different episodes as like background type characters.
But wow, good for him. Lots of great stuff. He
also worked on Cheers, the cheat Show, Predator, to Family Matters,

(35:39):
lots of stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
He's got a famous last name, the Levinson last name,
and it's got a lot of writers and producers in
the business, like Barry Levinson and such. But but yeah,
I remember David working with him. He was a joy
to work with. He was like a very quiet guy,
super petite, like very small, you know in stature, but

(36:03):
very nice and like I said, he was always almost
always there because he was standing in for arm and
when he wasn't playing Broke, so he was there all
the time.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, I'm looking up the fourth Guy too. Not much
other Star Trek stuff with that one. So this episode,
I have a feeling a lot of people really like
this episode. I mean, it's definitely one of those iconic
memorable episodes because it's the episode where people got turned
into kids. It's the only episode like that in Next Generation.
So it's very memorable. It's very and they.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Were all great to kids, by the way. Like, for example,
when Keko, the girl who plays Baby Cako, I thought
she was fantastic because she said the way she jumped
up and she was like, Miles Edward O'Brien, yeah, still
your wife. I was like, oh god, she said it.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Don't I was gonna say, don't talk to me in
that tone when you're twelve. Come on. Those played it.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Well, great delivery, She played it well.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Played it as if she were an adult, not as
if she were a kid playing an adult, which is,
you know, kind of tough. And we all know in
the eighties and the nineties, kid acting could be hit
and miss a lot of times. Casting directors were just like, ah, whatever,
it's a cute kid. Well, it's a cute kid, but
can they deliver a line? You know, And I feel

(37:32):
like a lot of shows I remember, even when I
was a kid, I would see a lot of shows
thinking like, oh my god, this is I don't even
like this kid. And I know as a kid, I'm
supposed to identify with the kids, but I didn't. I
didn't like them. Now obviously over the last twenty thirty years.
Now they're like, first of all, kids can just act

(37:53):
way better now because it's their classes and courses and
things like that. Don't just like pick some cute kid.
But also it's important. You got to find the right kid.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, you gotta find the right kid. And I thought
they did a good job with that because the casting
was spot on for me, and the girl who played
the baby guying in she was good with her you know, demeanor,
the way she was delivering the lines, you know, goating
Rollerin in the way that she does when she's you know,
the adult version of her goating people into a making

(38:25):
a decision or revealing something about themselves. So as far
as the way the language and dialogue was written and
the performance was given, they didn't write these characters as
baby characters, right. They didn't say, oh, baby Picard is
like he's really maymature and he acts completely differently.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Our Rolerin is you know, when she's young, she's just
way more free spirited and she's this and that. No,
they actually wrote them as the adult version and just
played it with kid actors. I felt like the dialogue
was written as you know, for the adult version of them,
and it made really good sense. It flowed well.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
There is also a lot of humor in this episode,
like when Guidan says, you know, you make a pretty
cute kid, and Rose says great, like that, you know
she'd the last thing she wants to be is cute
right now. And obviously when Molly says, not you, I
want my mommy, that cracked me up. Picard playing with
his hair as a kid was also funny. What was it,

(39:29):
oh heisen fram That whole thing made me laugh. There
were a lot of moments here. Obviously, all the looks
that Riiker gave Picard made me laugh. But this is
one of those lighthearted, fun cute episodes where I laughed
a lot sometimes. Oh like when Keiko says Miles, She's like,

(39:54):
I am still your wife, and he goes, well, technically yes,
and she goes technically It's like he's basically like, I
mean not if not, no, no, you're not. It's not
gonna be a This is not going to be a
married situation here right now.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
So I felt I felt the worst for O'Brien. So
odd somehow they turned this into an O'Brien must suffer
episode because you can see he was like he was like,
oh god, what.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
He's like, She's gonna yell at me, but tough.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, And it was funny because he's actually describing the
kind of coffee he likes. He's like, yeah, I like it, Miles.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Right, because to him it was a different person. He's like, oh,
I like a double sweet and she's like I know.
He's like, well, just talking to a kid, and he's like, oh,
be careful, it's hot, little one.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
The lines were good.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
There was another good line there too, is when the
card is talking to Troy, Toy's like, you know, and
he's like because says, no one's going to take me seriously. Huh,
Like you know, because I'm a kid, right, And then
Tooy's like, well you know basically, yes, no one's going
to take you seriously. And she says why didn't she
just go back to Starfleet at Starfleet Academy And he

(41:18):
was like, and what be Wesley CRUSH's roommate.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yes, good night invention for that, He's like, I am
not got to do that. Also, it was really cute,
Like I mentioned before, the ending where it's like, all right,
it's your turn to get turned back into an adult
row and then uh she's She's like, Okay, I guess
I guess I better go, and the guy and says,
what's the hurry? The transporter will be still be there.

(41:44):
Why don't you pass me the Royal Blue? And that
was really cute. She's like, just let's enjoy being kids,
because Roe never got her childhood, you know. And I'll
be honest, I actually thought of you at that point
because I'm sure you did have a childhood, but a
lot of child actors they have a different childhood and

(42:06):
they maybe don't get the same care free childhood that
other people have, even if they love what they do,
even if it's the best experience of their lives whatever,
they don't really get as many opportunities to just play
in the dirt or climb a tree or get a
bloody nose playing baseball as other kids have. They have

(42:29):
other amazing memories that many of us never get. But
it's different. And I thought of you there because I
was like, that's cute that rogue gets to go back
and experience the childhood she never got. So I think
there was something there, and we're very grateful that you
missed out on some of your childhood.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
But I.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Definitely it was a thought on you there.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
You know, I was actually fortunate because I didn't miss
out on you too much. I was working a lot,
but I also went to you know, went to school
on days that I wasn't working, So I actually got
a dual kind of existence where I dipped my foot
on one side and both sides. So I got a
half a childhood, let's say. And you know, when you

(43:14):
add it up with the other experience, it made complete
sense for me. And I'm definitely worth it. But I
understand people who have had more of a traumatic loss
of childhood. Right that's like an even different thing than
just doing something you love to do and getting paid
and having fun. That's different than a traumatic loss where

(43:36):
you have you know, difficult upbringing. She mentioned not having
a bed to sleep in. You know, these kinds of things,
those kinds of things can really affect your personality. We
kind of see where Roll there and has that chip
on her shoulder kind of Kira. Kira has that chip
on her shoulder from having to be a fighter and

(43:56):
rebelling and the resisting occupation and all that stuff. When
you have those kinds of upbringings. It kind of puts
a little chip on your shoulder where you know, your
your defenses are, you're you're you can't enjoy certain things.
You're always like on edge because you're you're in a
protective mode. So I totally empathize with that. I thought

(44:20):
it was good that, you know, Gid was able to
break her out of her shell and just get her
to jump on a bed and just you know, like
just let loose and enjoy being a kid for a moment.
And then we also saw that Patrick Stewart or I
mean Picard, it's pretty much, you know, that's how he
always has been. Essentially, he's very mature, serious, stiff, whatever

(44:45):
you want us to say. You know, it's just like
he's not a game player or a joker or you
don't see him as the you know, the clown, class
clown type kid. He's definitely, you know, kind of like
a young Wesley to some.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Degree, Riker would have been a class clown. But hey,
we're totally going over time here. Let's talk about the
home run of the episode. Srok who gets the home
run of today's episode?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Well, I was gonna say Warf, but you know, poor
guy poor guy, No home run goes to Baby Picard.
It was It was pretty easy for me when I
watched this episode. I was like, this guy's carrying this episode.
He's he's doing a great job as a kid actor,

(45:37):
embodying the kind of authoritative figure that Picard is. He
had also great moments of humility when he gave up
his command when he was interacting with Crusher, Doctor Crusher.
I thought that was very good moments when he was
interacting with Troy. He also gave great performances and all around.

(45:58):
I thought he was fantasic. I think both with the
adult actors and as well with the other kid actors.
So there was nothing that he couldn't do the whole
You know, number one dad, He's my number one dad.
That was brilliant.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Love that when he said yes.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
So it's not even really that difficult for me. The
kid who plays Picard, young Picard, I don't know his name,
but he was the best. He was the home run
hitter of this episode.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
For me, I'll look it up. Totally agree, Baby Picard actor,
that's an easy one for me too. His name is
David Burkin. David Burkin, all right, we want to give
a very special thanks to people that are not babies.
Their names are doctor Anne, Marie Siegel, Eve England out
in Wales. You've got black Man, Tom T. J. Jackson, Bayott,

(46:49):
Missouri Titas Smaller, Doctor Mohammed nor A, Neil Palatte, Joe Balceati,
Mike Goo, Doctor Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent, Faith Howl, The
Matt board Man, Chris McGee, j Barrett, Henry Hunger, Allison
leech High, Julie Menoski, Jed Thomson, doctor Susan V. Gruner,
Glenn Iverson, Dave Gregory, Chris sterne greg Ka Wistrom Cassandra

(47:09):
g chuck A, Chris Garrison, and of course Jason m Oaken.
Time for the Free for All. Everybody stick around, We'll
be right back on the seventh Rule. They shall all
show up as baby versions of themselves. Let's see if
they'll do it. Hi, everybody, welcome back to the seventh
Rule with sarrock Loft. And finally it's here. It is

(47:30):
time for the free for All with Melissa el Lungo.
You two can wear her seventh shirt is hell? Now
that's something like that. Just go to the seventh Rule.
Spring Store and get your very own Stembolt Seventh Rule

(47:51):
Podcast shirt. Jason m Okin is here everybody, and uh,
he'll teach us things. Allison leech High is here wearing
a cool Melissa's shirt. And TJ. Jackson Bay is on
the bridge of the Enterprise d looks like he's kind
of in Rose Spot almost. Carrie Schwent has kid versions

(48:13):
of her behind her occasional adult is the shirt Susan V.
Gruner's wearing her It's a jake and a cool army green.
Eve England is out in Wales with a new computer
the same room. Chuck a is the TNNG fanatic. Of course,
he looks like he's got a Melissa's shirt. Logical yeah,

(48:36):
And Chris macgee is the dark lord who reminds you
to rewind all right. Jake Cisco guesses the IMDb score.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't know what's favorite tough, I don't know how
the fans feel about it. I know it's memorable. I'm
just gonna just go right down the middle with a
seven point oh.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Seven point oh sorox middle. Does anybody else have any
guesses that doesn't already know? Six seven eight seven nine, oh, Sue,
what did you say? Did you say a five No,
I said, wow, all right. The answer, of course is

(49:33):
let me pull this up here to kenby Ma Tumbo.
Everybody knows seven point two? Who got that?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
No?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, there was some seven eight was close? Yeah yeah
seven point oh he gets close every time.

Speaker 7 (49:52):
Yeah, okay, yeah, he says, uh.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
He's so cute.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Non apparents mentioned? Was Wesley Crusher? Were there any others? Okay?
What about some kind of or some sort of was
there some kind of kid joke in there?

Speaker 9 (50:17):
A quid joke almost? But all three were spoken by
insignt Row well as a Showcraft is breaking up in
the beginning, she says we're caught in some kind of
energy field. Then, much later in her quarters with the
young Guyan says, this isn't some kind of glorious second
childhood Guynan and just a few moments later says, where

(50:37):
did you get the idea that being short and awkward
is some kind of wonderful gift?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Wow? She had like five lines in the episode, and
three of them were some kind Uh. Melissa to start
off on the right track by telling us what she
thought about this show and Chris McGee's biggest fan behind him.

Speaker 10 (50:56):
Ah, I like your biggest fan, Chris McGee. I enjoyed
this episode. I thought it was quite fun. I thought
the particularly the casting of Young Guynan was spot on
and roe those two little kids made the episode for me.

(51:22):
I thought they did such a fantastic job.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And when.

Speaker 10 (51:27):
When little Guynan calls Little Row cute, I was like, Oh,
my gosh, that is Whoopy Goldberg. That is Guynan. She
and so much so that I read on IMDb that
she went on to play young Whoopee again in Sister
Act Oh in the movie Sister Act. Yeah, an excellent,

(51:52):
excellent job. And this, this scene in the very last
scene of the episode is probably be my favorite because
I just love Guynan. I love her approach to life
and her philosophies on how she views challenging situations. I

(52:15):
love her, so these two stole the show for me.
I thought Young Picard did a really great job.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Some a few.

Speaker 10 (52:26):
Nitpicks, of course, but and one being that I think
the Ferengi stuff kind of took.

Speaker 8 (52:35):
Me out of the episode, but it just exploring the younger,
younger versions of the crew that that was pretty fun,
and the crew trying to adjust their brains to.

Speaker 10 (52:51):
Serving under a little picard so.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
And Worf's luck when when he's given the order.

Speaker 10 (53:00):
By book card after it's hilarious, it's hilarious. He's like,
what anyway, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed Beverly in this too,
and yeah, yeah, that's what I have to say about
that right now.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Sounded almost like a course things blessed. Thank you very much.
Melissa l Longo, great stuff, too much, Nike will uh Jason,
She nods, what do you think of this episode?

Speaker 11 (53:39):
Well, I may be the contrary in here. I never
liked it's it's a little too silly for me. And frankly,
i'd forgotten that the fra Angi were only there for
the two acts, just because it's just as Melissa said,
it takes you out of the story. I think it
just it makes somewhat of a ridiculous sort of the

(53:59):
aging stuff have been more ridiculous with the Ferengi in there.
You know one thing it did make me appreciate, frankly
even more Sorak as you were acting on deep space
as a child, because it's not an easy thing to do,
and you know, reading the script interesting. I mean, Ron Moore,
if you read the script with the voice of the
actual you know, regular characters and actors. It does sound right.

(54:20):
I'm not sure all of it came off very well.
I certainly agree that Isis Jones does look like a
little Whoopee. I mean she was dubbed for the entire episode.
I mean it's not her voice. They wanted somebody I
guess closer to Whoopie in terms of the way she
sounded so and sound of that looping, it was pretty noticeable,
and it didn't match. And it was a little slow.

(54:41):
I think she spoke a little slowly, and it just
took me out as well. There were a few sort
of things here and there, and this is Adam Nimoy's
first directorial assignment, and I'll say a few things about
that and things left unsaid, but overall, to be honest,
I've never enjoyed this one, and I think the Forerangi

(55:02):
story just completely did it in for me.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
You loved it, Thank you very much, Jason m Oakin,
always honest that you got something to teach us too
during things left un said. All right, Alison Leech Hide,
what about you? What'd you think of this one?

Speaker 12 (55:21):
You know, it's also not one of my favorite episodes.
But I like it the older I get. I think
being a parent and watching this show, this particular episode
changed for me, especially with insign Row because we know
she's had like the worst childhood ever, and of course

(55:42):
you wouldn't want to repeat it, and being forced to
do that had to have been like a nightmare. But
I really did enjoy that. Guidan's like, you are in
a safe space. Let's jump on the bed, Let's color
craons take you anywhere, like that last scene, like I'm crying, like,
oh my gosh, look at her decide because she had
already said first episode that Roe was there. She's like,

(56:06):
we're going to be friends. I like you, And here
she is making sure she has a childhood moment even
though she's getting it as an adult, and I find
that quite beautiful. So I really enjoy that bit of
this episode. Otherwise, it's really silly, but we have like
all of our favorite guest actors. We're just missing Nurse Ogawa.
You know, we have our our other you know, doctor Nurse.

(56:29):
You know he's there. We get so much Lieutenant Jay
in this and her wonderful cheekbones. It's really fabulous, and
you know it kind of continues on the O'Brien must
suffer like here your wife is now ten.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Like, yeah, you guys have a.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Like what do you do with that?

Speaker 12 (56:53):
Yeah, just like I don't like no, this is no.
And she's like, well, what are we going to do?
He's like, let's not make it decision now, it's all
too much. So yeah, and I did really like the
little actor in the car. He was like tugging on
his uniform I am Jean Luke Bookhart. I'm like, and
then playing with his hair, and then Patrick, you know,
touched in his head when he comes back. I'm like,

(57:15):
that's that's great. I enjoyed those little things. But yeah,
it's it is a little bit of a stretch, even
for Star Trek on de aging.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
You know, it's fun.

Speaker 12 (57:27):
And but that it's it is completely redeemed by that
last scene with with Rowan Gang.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Thank you very much, Alison Leech Hide, TJ Jackson bay
out in Missouri. How much did you love this episode?

Speaker 6 (57:43):
I kill a lot. I've always enjoyed this episode. Uh,
you know, I think that the kids done pretty good.
That Keiko O'Brien saying that someone mentioned a moment ago
was so so awkward and like I couldn't imagine a
situation for either one of them. And then, as also

(58:06):
already mentioned, I really really enjoyed watching the interactions between
Roe and Guy and how so opposite they are approaching
this situation where Roe it's like she's determined to suffer
and relive it as the childhood that she had and

(58:31):
not look for like a joyful moment in that that
she could kind of think of at least to be
in this conversation and Ghin and it's like, Yeah, I'm
bothered by all of this, but i can't do anything
about it, so I'm going to just enjoy, you know
what is. And so it's almost as if one is

(58:51):
in the present moment and the other one is it's
kind of stuck in the past, but not so much
that she can't see it. Roe sees that she's stuck
in the a and throughout the episode and talking to Gohan,
and she decides to step out of that and take
god In suggestion to just enjoy a moment of being

(59:12):
a child and connect that memory with what she went
through and not just the suffering that surely happened.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
And I loved the line that roguae right at the end,
which says not so bad as I remember this, So
that tells me that she did make that connection, and
so that journey makes the episode for me. I actually
kind of liked the Frangi part two. I thought it
was fun and that the little kids got to do

(59:41):
kind of a high steal and even involved Alexander. I
thought that was pretty cool as well, to get everybody involved.
Of course, Alexander was volunteer, so I thought that was
fun to watch. I like to I actually enjoy this
battle too, because it's just a battle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
Knockdown, dragged down. They're not about to blow up and
all of that stuff. They kind of tussle a little bit, uh,
And I think it compliments the rest of the episode
well because to me, not having it so actually kept
me in the story about the kids and just kind
of gave them something to do. So I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Thought you might. Thank you very much. TJ. Jackson bay
Out in Missouri, Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear, you like
this one too, right? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I love it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
And I'm sorry Ron Moore didn't enjoy this particular running
so much because I find the episode delightful. It is
just so much fun every I just I enjoy everything
about it again, even the Foreni parts were.

Speaker 12 (01:00:58):
Fun.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I'll get to the kids. But there's so many, so
many guest stars, but the Frengi I'm gonna highlight real quick.
Two Two of the Farrangi or all three of them
have played Ferengi and other and other episodes one one
of the one of them was the one of the
Frangie in The Perfect Meat two the other. The other

(01:01:20):
two were the other Farrangi along with Armande Shimmerman in
The Last Outpost. But in a connection with the previous
guest star that I mentioned, Olivia Dabo and Conan the Destroyer.
One of the Farrangi was the Arnold's Conan's sidekick Guy

(01:01:42):
Malick and and Conan the Destroyer and has several interactions
with Olivia Dabo's character.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And he is adorable in that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
He is also the Jokers Henchman Bob in the the
first Tim Burton Batman movie. He is Jokers and number
one guy if you see if you've seen that movie,
no and know that line.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Love that actor.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I find him. I find that actor absolutely adorable and
pretty much everything, pretty much everything I've seen him in.
And yeah, yeah, Alison mentioned I think it was Alison
or no, Belissa, it was you that mentioned that the
little little Guynan was also little dolorous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Those are her only two acting credits.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Probably holds the record for me of the shortest smallest
amount of of I m dB credits that I've ever seen,
exactly to no directing, no others, just those two acting credits.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Yeah, yeah, she was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
She was great, and I enjoyed all I enjoyed all
the kids. I thought the casting for all of them
was what's absolutely fantastic. The the CAKEO and Miles that
one makes, that one will always make me smile, her
grabbing his shoulder, pulling him and doing the mom thing
Myles Edward O'Brien, I am still your wife. That will

(01:03:00):
always that will always make me laugh in the same
way that young John Luke trying making his way up
up to the bridge going up to the Frring and
he wants to see his I want to see my father,
no now, now, now now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Always makes me laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
He absolutely stumbles that, and Ryker picking picking up on
on what little John Luke was doing pretty much right
away definitely did did the talking code thing right right
under the fringis those even after the little slip of
him calling Riker number one, he's my number one dad. Yeah,

(01:03:40):
I find this yeah, absolutely absolutely absolutely delightful. But yeah,
the Steen Steelers of the episode are definitely Ryanan, I
did it again, Dinan and Roe see I combine them.
That's their friendship name Ryan. They absolutely the younger versions
of them absolutely sold like they're their their their friendship

(01:04:01):
for me there sitting sitting on the bed and go
and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah, you were you were a jumper.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I can I can tell and you can see just
that hit that hint in rose eyes before she friendly
friendly cracks with mouth like yeah I was okay, I'm
eventually good to admit it. And this was the scene,
Siroc that I was talking about when I was looking
forward to you seeing this this episode and it was
gonna make you want to jump up down to bump
it down on your bed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
This was the scene that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
I was that I was talking about. Yeah, yeah, I
enjoyed this one so much. Yeah, a little little rope pouding.
Some kids are just adorable when they pout, and she
was absolutely adorable. When she was pounding, although she was
claiming she wasn't pounding, but she was pouding. But I

(01:04:50):
obviously her being my favorite, he gets gets the the
limerick limerick for the for the day here stuck as
a kid. Don't think that I like it. Yes, I
am pouting on my bed. I will sit kinda says
it breaks the fun. Maybe I'll draw when I'm done that.

(01:05:12):
I like, you should jump on beds, I admit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Who doesn't. Thanks very much. Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bear
Doctor Susan V. Gruner still jumps on her bed. What
do you think of this episode?

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
All right, here we go. First time I watched it
was yesterday, shook my head the whole time, so I thought, okay,
I'll watch it again. I watched it last night again,
shook my head, broke down everything I hated about it.

(01:05:47):
Then I watched it today and I laughed my ass off.
So I think the trick is we have to watch
it three times, so I'm not going to get into
the negative stuff. I'm going to get into the positive stuff.
And some things I beg you all knit like the
computer saying I'm sorry, but I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Oh yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Get it from a space honesty with hell. They still
know one I loved. I loved that wharf missed the
ship and when he was firing with the ship. The
things that made me laugh the most wore Brian's face
when they first beam Aboreder's children, the Riker's technobabble. That's

(01:06:30):
going to go down in history one of the greatest
scenes of all time. In my opinion, it reminded me
of the movie The in Laws, the original when while
I'm going to it anyway, was maybe laugh hysterically. I
won't get into the negatives. I'll get into that because
it's nitpicky stuff. But I actually think that I I'm

(01:06:51):
going to say that I enjoyed this. It was very entertaining.
I love that end scene where they're coloring, and that
blue cran matched guy in the color of her costume perfectly.
And so I would give it a higher rating than
it got. I would give it like an eight point
two or something like that. But again, you have to

(01:07:12):
watch it three times.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Wonder if it just gets better, Like after you watch
it forty times, you're like, this is a.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
Time watching it again.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Let me check back in with us, like next week
after you've seen it, Thanks very much. Doctor Susan V. Kruner,
Eve England is out in Wales. This is the first
time she's ever seen this episode as well. What did
you think of it? But you probably only watched it once.

Speaker 13 (01:07:40):
It sounds like I needed to watch it a couple
of more times. I was really conflicted. Again, I'm kind
of still a bit frustrated that this is season six
and this is the kind of episode that we're getting.
I agree with lots of the point. The kids were great,
that aspect was fun, but it did feel disjointed to

(01:08:03):
have that storyline and then have the friendly I mean,
it seemed ridiculous how easily they took over the enterprise.
I mean, Warf is an embarrassment. He needs to be fired.
I mean, it's just stocking. I was this is just
this is just embarrassing. So that annoyed me just from
the outset. But I thought if they'd taken that out
and they just had that transporter accident and they explored

(01:08:23):
that whole the aging concept would have been it could
have been a much better, much sort of more serious episode,
and it would have been really interesting to explore, you know,
all of the different trauma that each of those characters
and their surrounding loved ones were sort of experiencing. Again,
the miles of Bryan one was just very icky. I mean,
it was kind of the worst type of sort of
freaky freaky Friday ever. I was just like, it seemed like,

(01:08:47):
why put Keko there if you're going to do that.
It just she didn't need to be one of the kids.
I just again, that just felt weird and wrong to me.
In terms of what I did really like, though, I
did love the fact that they use the scoreroom computer
and how you had that sort of really weird interaction
with AI, which actually kind of I'm sure it was

(01:09:08):
probably weird at the time, but now when you're having
to talk to AI and ask it the right questions,
I thought that was really cool when they had to
sort of ask it about how they could kind of
get the drawing, and then that kind of gave me
sort of home alone vibes that they had this really
basic enterprise drawing to try and do their little sort
of fight back. So I thought there were lots of
really good bits, but I just felt they could have
been two separate episodes, and I would have preferred that

(01:09:29):
the sort of kids had sort of their own little
adventure in a kind of more realistic way that they
weren't sort of you know, that they actually got the
better of the whole of the Ferengi in that sort
of scenario and take the ship back. It just felt
a little bit strange, but yeah, I think overall it
was it was entertaining, but yeah, it just didn't quite
hit the mark for me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Mm hmm, great stuff. Eve England out in Wales eviscerates
this episode, said how the actress that played Guynan as
a kid also played her as Whoopy as a kid
and sister act But apparently I'd forgotten about this. But
the kid that played Picard in this episode, he also

(01:10:12):
played young Picard in the family episode in season four.
All right, chuck A, people are lining up to play
Chuck A as a kid in the movie of Chuck A.
What do you think of this one?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:10:27):
I really liked this episode. Uh, And as you just mentioned, uh,
I think let me get the actor's name, David David
Tristan Burkin. Yeah, he did play Renee and family, and
he was good in both that episode. In this episode,
I love the interaction with all the kids. You know,

(01:10:48):
he was still Captain Picard and Alexander and Keiko and Row,
you know, they were all working with him to solve
this situation. Uh. The when he went up with Riker,
you know, and said he wants to see his father
now now now, now that one of my favorite scenes,
and I believe this was a mistake. He asked Reich

(01:11:12):
his dad Riker, to fix a computer on school room eight,
and when he gets back down, they're on the computer
it says school room seven. I noticed that before. I
don't know if that's an error or not, but I
noticed that when I watched it a few few years ago,
and I noticed it again when I just saw it.

(01:11:34):
The Frengi, you know, they came in klingon ships, and
you know when you when you first see you think
why are the Klingons attacking attacking the enterprise? And then
you find out it's a Ferrangi and then they say
they're not affiliated with the Frengi Alliance, which is I
guess what they needed to do to so that there's

(01:11:55):
no war with the Ferrengi. But yeah, the Frankie were
a little bothersome in this Eppen episode. But I thought
the actors did a good job. And the scene with
Riker on the computer with all the technobabble and that
Ferngie actor who played to FINGI his responses like, well,

(01:12:15):
he knows, he knows what Riker's saying. But then finally
he says, well, I don't know what was I think
it was a Fermantle drive. He says, can you repeat
it the ending of the episode, as has been mentioned
with Whoopy Goldberg and the young actress who played Row,
that was probably the best scene in the entire episode.

(01:12:36):
I really enjoyed that. And apparently I was reading that
spoiler a little too spoilers that you know, the O'Brien's
go to DS nine, which we all know, and so
they're going off the enterprise. And then apparently I didn't
realize this, but Michelle Forbes didn't repeat Row again until

(01:12:58):
the late in the seventh season, so she really well,
it really wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
In it too much.

Speaker 14 (01:13:03):
It was the child that was in it. But I
didn't didn't realize. I thought, well, she must be in
a couple more episodes, but she's not. Like I said,
I enjoyed this episode. I watched it twice once last
night and once this morning, and I did enjoy it
both times. I thought it was a very funny, amusing episode.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Thanks very much, Chuck, A nice distinction. You mentioned that
the kid played Renee Picard. That was actually his nephew,
not playing Piccard as I may have said. Thank you
very much, Chuck A aka TG fanatic. Chris McGee is
the dark Lord. What do you think of this one?
Dark Lord? It's a fun episode.

Speaker 9 (01:13:45):
No deep thought provoking moral dilemmas, no galaxy ending crisis
to solve, just a fun what if premise that allows
us to see young guy in a row jump on
a bed, and young Picard with a full head of
hair throw a temper tantrum. And it's interesting to see
the FERENGI became reclaim a little bit of the ferocity

(01:14:05):
they lost in the last few seasons. I normally don't
like episodes featuring children, but at least the actors in
this episode were more pre teens rather than pre school
and they did a great job, so I'm cool with it.
Lieutenant j shows up in this episode fairly prominently, of course,
and I love that she's getting more screen time lately.

(01:14:26):
I will say, though, that it is not a perfect episode,
as many have mentioned already. For example, I always suspected
that the young guiding lines were all looped because it
seemed so noticeable. So thank you Jason for confirming that
having the young Picard order tea Earl Gray hot and
stare out his ready room window or later on say
make it so feel like forced attempts to convince the

(01:14:49):
audience that he's still the same Picard. And of course
this is another episode where the magic of the transporter
fixes the problem. How many times is this now kind
of lost count? I mean, I guess you could make
the argument that the transporter buffer can I act as
a save point for anyone, just like in a video
game someone die on in a way mission just respawn

(01:15:12):
them from their most recent pattern in the buffer. But
that might be a discussion for things left unsaid. Oh
and speaking of things left unsaid, I have a question
for you a lot to answer in that segment. I'd
love to know what character besides the four in this episode,
of course, that you'd like to see as a kid
and why, And since there's only so many to choose

(01:15:34):
from in the next generation, I'll open up the choices
to all of the star Trek franchise my choice wharf.
It's only to see how he would interact with his son.
I am still your father, Alexander.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
You'll like away me.

Speaker 9 (01:15:51):
The quote of the episode for me was young paccardithy
and pointing a phaser at the day mine was saying,
I believe you're in my chair.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Mm hmmm, great stuff. I think we got some material
for things left unsaid too. Jake's final take suck. Any
final thoughts on this gem of an episode that you
have to watch thrice to enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
There you go, Yeah, I didn't watch it enough. I
guess I have to watch it. But yeah, you know
when Guidan says, you know, it's funny because Guidan does
what some people do when you have an excited moment.
You're like, oh, I just this happened to me, and
they're like, yeah, okay, and this is what happened. Uh.

(01:16:45):
Picard is so excited about this piece of artifact that
he found that's seven hundred years old, and she's like, yeah, whatever,
my dad's seven hundred years Like, I've got socks that
are seting. Literally, I don't care. So that was a
big bubble burst. Don't bring that person around when you're
trying to be excited about something. Also, I noticed that

(01:17:10):
when they went in through a little bit of a
turbulence on that little shuttle, crap, guys grabbing that.

Speaker 15 (01:17:16):
She's like, right where it is, it's funny right there
he was holding on to that ad.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
I was like, there's no wind bow.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Okay, So that was what And then you know again
they just can't help but kind of giveaway episodes with
the titles.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
I don't know why they do this, but as soon
as I heard rascals, I knew it was some kids stuff. Right.
There's no way not to know that. So, I mean,
just a little bit of hiding the ball a little bit. Guys,
don't let me know what it's about. Sorry. And also
back to that shuttle craft way too small for four people.

(01:18:05):
I would never, under any circumstances get into a shuttle
that's small with four people. It's just not happening. And
there's not enough space. I mean, where's the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
He's thinking about leg room right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
I'm thinking about, you know, bathroom being by the toilet there.
What's going on? So it's too small.

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
Even if one of the people was the intendant, Well,
that's well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Well, let's see that makes it interesting. And then another thing,
there's fifteen hundred people on the enterprise, Like fifteen hundred
people fourteen okay, on thousand. There's no way three people,
four people can can hijack a ship with a thousand people.

(01:18:59):
What are the they're nine hundred and fifty people doing
while this is going on. I'm just sitting in their
rooms like, well, you know, we just got to cooperate, Like,
hell no, this is it just doesn't even make sense
to me. So at least explain that away. So make
Riker make an announcement all passengers on board please remain

(01:19:20):
confined to your quarters. Da da da da da dah.
So that way we at least know that there's no
resistances happening in other places because you're not going to
stop me. You can't be in the in the in
all parts of the ship, so I would definitely be
looking to ring havoc. So it's just not believable for me. Sorry,

(01:19:40):
I guess it took them this long to figure out.
But the Ferengi are not a good villain when it
comes to being intimidating. They're a good villain when it
comes to negotiating when it comes to being conniving when
it comes to stealing stuff, but when it comes to
being forceful and overpowering and intimidating, it's just doesn't sell.
It doesn't work, and I didn't buy it at all. Yeah,

(01:20:07):
and you know, that's that's pretty much it for me.
I you know, I did think the kid did a
good The Picard Kid was fantastic. I thought all the
kids were actually good. As far as emulating the characters
they were supposed to be, they did a very good
job of that. But you know, at the same time,
this actually gives me a kind of a greater appreciation

(01:20:29):
for the serialized storytelling that Deep Space nine comes across,
because at this point in season six of our show,
we've got many storylines juggling in the air, and there's
so many things at stake. At this point, there's the dominion,
there's these love interests, there's these relationships, and you see
all of this stuff and it's it's it's still ongoing

(01:20:52):
while there's a new story being introduced. So it's this
is where you get like all of this layered and context.
And for me, it's like I'm six seasons in and
I feel like very little continuity as far as anything. Really,
it's just like a new adventure or a new adventure,
new adventure, but I don't see any continuity picking back

(01:21:14):
up from here and bringing back this, And so yeah,
I appreciate the serialization of the writing that eventually comes,
because I think you need to have some through lines
between at least a season arc or a series arc,
and I don't see a season arc or a series

(01:21:34):
arc when I watch this show.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
YEP, big difference in the two shows. That's it for us, everybody,
if you can believe that. Thank you very much to
Chris McGee, Chuck A. Eve England, Susan V. Gruner, Carrie Schwent,
TJ Jackson, bay Out, and Missouri Allison, Leah Hyde, Jason
m Oaken, Malissa A longo for myself, Sarrack, Melissa, and

(01:21:58):
mister Aaron Eisenberg. Thank you all very much for partying
with us. We're going to be so hung over tomorrow.
We'll see you next time, and until then, always remember
the seventh rule.

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