January 21, 2025 • 20 mins
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Aaron is writing an A24 book with Jill Blake editing. There is a Kickstarter campaign that is in progress right now, and this is the second episode of the accompanying podcast. Jill and Aaron talk about David Lynch first and foremost, as he is omnipresent with any conversation about modern cinema. We then get into the book and how we are approaching this topic, and where this could lead.
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Aaron is writing an A24 book with Jill Blake editing. There is a Kickstarter campaign that is in progress right now, and this is the second episode of the accompanying podcast. Jill and Aaron talk about David Lynch first and foremost, as he is omnipresent with any conversation about modern cinema. We then get into the book and how we are approaching this topic, and where this could lead.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are now listening to the someone's favorite productions podcast network.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I want to let everybody know I've got David David
Lynch's picture behind me. Today would have been his I
can't believe I'm saying would have been It would have
been his what's seventy ninth birthday? And he passed away
on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, Thursday last week.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, he pulled a bowie on us. I mean he
like died and then his birthday.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
So I don't know. Jill is my other half. This
is a rare occasion where you're a guess, my other half.
I mean, you're the co owner of our business. You're
the co host of our podcast, not this one, but
which is weird.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But this is this is not in my outs of
wheel the Wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well your part, you're you're in this house as an editor.
So this is the companion podcast to the book, and
you are editing the book, not actively at the moment,
but you will get into that. But we're friends and yeah,
when when when David Lynch happened last week? I think
it's fair to say that we both ran to our
(01:22):
private chat and exchanged some what in the world how
could this happen? I mean it was a shock and.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm I am like definitely reeling. I mean I had
a feeling that, you know, because that he did that
gave that interview back in the fall where he talked
about how he was essentially homebound. And it's it's no
secret he he did quit smoking, but he loved to smoke.
(01:50):
He talked about how that was. I mean, he when
he says about the art life, he loves the art
life because it's smoking and it's coffee, and and he
loved his smoke. I don't think there's hardly a picture
of him or video of him where there's not a
cigarette in his hand. And ultimately that's what took him out.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And although they're.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Saying that really the he had inmphysema COPD and he
had to evacuate because of the Sunset fire in Los Angeles,
and so that actually the air quality really, I mean,
he had.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Been ill, that hurts.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That was inevitable, but the air quality and pollution from
the fires is really what took him out. So but
I just we have been in like we've been reeling,
but I think that what and so I picked this
as my background art and tribute, but also because I
(02:49):
feel like it's very much in the spirit of what
you are working on, or what we both.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Are working on. The thing is, he's all over what
I'm working on. I've already cited him as and the
thing is so okay, obviously this is about the A
twenty four book I've been writing. And actually I'll just
go to the Kickstarter and so let me just scroll down. Oh,
there's the May Queen. I'm going to do a little
(03:16):
fast scroll to the very bottom to look at the
table of contents. Sorry, I just conveniently have them there.
Oh yeah, these are not the actual titles. The titles
are more fun for the chapters. But but yeah, so
David Lynch he's here. He influenced this guy for sure,
influenced this guy. This guy I would say Eggers for sure,
(03:42):
I would say your goos. Yeah, and probably Barry. Although
it's not as obvious. I think the safti's a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I mean, I honestly think I mean all of it.
Lynch was. He is one of the last great autos.
And that's not to say we don't we there are
tours right here in this list here, but he was
one of the last working tours and uh, I don't know.
(04:13):
Maybe maybe maybe was the greatest living filmmaker. I would
make it. I would make an argument for that that
he was certainly one of the most exciting and definitely
kept people on their toes. But I think I can't
remember who, and I don't want to digress here, but
(04:35):
I do think this is important because it does tie in,
I think, to what we're a lot of what we're
talking about. But one thing I want to say. It
was an interview with you know what. I'm not going
to say who it is because I can't remember, but
somebody had shared an interview where they were talking about
(04:57):
Lynch and how Lynch was completely un ironic. He really
and truly appreciated all of you know, the birds singing
and the sky being blue. And when there's video of
him talking about the red curtain in in Twin Peaks
(05:21):
and he says, oh, look at that curtain. Look how
beautiful it is. He's not being funny, he's being absolutely genuine,
and all of that ties into his outlook on life
and his Buddhist kind of beliefs orything. So anyways, just
I think that there was a beauty about him that
(05:41):
a lot of filmmakers maybe don't embrace, but I think
there are some in this list that do a lot.
And you know, so I don't know. I just felt
like having this here. And because he his fingerprints are
all over everything that that A twenty four puts out,
(06:05):
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So yeah, and so yeah, we are reeling huge loss,
a massive loss. And I had talked about him in
the book, but of course he was living. So unfortunately
I have to edit some of.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That, which is which is just insane.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I know, I know, I've been writing this book and
you know, yeah, having to edit the life of one
of my I mean, my number one film. Go to
my letterbox, mhulland Drive. I have I think like six
copies in my home of Mholland Drive. And that's not
to mention all the others. So yeah, devastating and and
what timing too. That was like our fourth day of
(06:43):
our Kickstarter and yeah, we're in a good mood, you know,
good ship was happening, and then all of a sudden, Yeah,
but so yeah, David Lynch, love you man, But hard
to transition from that. I'm glad. I'm glad we paid
tribute because we really had to. We would have done
it in some way, shape or form on other podcasts
(07:06):
or whatever, but he's just too massive, probably even on
our journey call this week, but absolutely. But anyway, we
are working on a book. I kind of hold up
for like months, a couple months really over the holidays,
and I just jammed out some words. So I'm I've
(07:26):
actually got like the way I worded it was publishable
in that it's not actually publishable, but like as far
as word count and page count, like I have something
that was actually size. Yeah, book mine is what I'm yeah, like,
it's got to be good, so I wouldn't want anybody
to read. I mean, it's it's the writing process. There's refining,
(07:48):
there's editing, and so so I'll share the kickstarter again
and yes, please if you're seeing this for the first time,
please support us. We are we are stour goal. I'll
scroll back up here as we are recording this. We're
close to our goal, almost made it. We are I
think this is eighty two percent. It doesn't show me
(08:10):
the math here, but here is a trailer by the
wonderful Wade Shielder, so good friend of ours. And this
is the cover too, by Kaitlyn cooled another good friend
of ours. Yes, the May Queen. This is going to
be in color and wow, this I cannot wait for
this beautiful sketch to be in color. If you saw
(08:33):
and you have seen, Jill, if you saw the black
and white of this and then when it became colorful,
just think of it like that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It just absolutely stunning. Caitlin does incredible work and we've
been partnering with her since the inception of Senna Journeys
and she's just such a We have such a great
collaborative relationship with her. She's just so so talented and
really has helped bring to life so many of our ideas.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So lucky, I mean, we're lucky to have that relationship
and friendship with with Caitlin. So yeah, and and couldn't
be happier to have her as part of this project.
And yeah, and one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Thing Aaron can I add too, is that you know
a big reason why we're doing this Kickstarter is because
Aaron and I are putting this book out. We are
not we are not you know, going through traditional publishing
channels just because we you know, for a lot of reasons,
(09:39):
but a lot of it is because we want to
be able to control the creative process on this and
and then get this out to people who are fans
of A twenty four or want to learn more about
A twenty four. So that's why we're doing this, is
because we want to be able to bypass that very
very not so fun process with publishing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I've had a book deal before, and that's that's
a story for another day, and not a not a
bad story, you know, not a whole story, not an
A twenty four story. Well maybe a different kind.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Of maybe it could be. I don't know, it'd be
like a really gripping, like corporate drama.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah. But the thing is A twenty four is a
popular label, it's a popular topic, and so I know
a lot of people are excited about the book. I'm
very happy with what I've written so far. I'm really
happy with whatever. However the word, my words will be
transformed by your mind. That's a weird way of putting it,
but it's true. But the thing is, we could get
(10:41):
a publisher for this, and we could go that route
and it would take long, a lot longer, But we
went this route and so as you can see here,
we have a we have a three thousand dollars goal
and we're almost there, but it actually costs us to
put this out ourselves probably all said, you know, i'd
say maybe fifteen grand to do it right, right, So
(11:04):
this is just the first of many goals. So we
have thirty eight days to go. In the meantime, I'm
going to be writing. I actually took a little break
because this kickstartter and you know, it just so happened
that we lost David Lynch, so I was able to
give you know, I watched wild Heart in tribute. Did
(11:25):
you watch any David Lynch movies last week?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, it's been so crazy because I've my daughter had
this crazy swim meet over the weekend, so like i
didn't even get to have a moment. I've just been
watching like interview clips. But I'm actually I think I'm
going to watch The Art Life, which, by the way,
if you don't have the Criterion channel, they are streaming
(11:51):
that for free for non subscribers. But it's a really
great glimpse into his process. So I think I'm actually
going to rewatch that because I think it's just such
a that's awesome, it's such a great little thing, and
I might put on the Twin Peaks pilot because it's
just yeah, it's just that's of beauty.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know. I might put on the return episode eight.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, I mean there's some and I think I'm gonna
I mean, not not to capitalize or anything, but just
think I'm going to put more of him in the
book too. So I'll just share you've already seen some
of the intro. But I do talk about what led
me to as my personal prologue, what led me to
writing this book in the book, and but really the
(12:41):
reality why I love A twenty four and they're not perfect.
That's one thing that will could get covered. This is
not a hagiography. But for the most part, they put
out some amazing films, especially you know Midsommar's, we mentioned Moonlight,
lots of others. Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, so I am not like h It's hard for
me to get out to see a lot of new movies,
so I have to say that, and I'm and I'm
I'm pretty much seated in the in the old classics stuff,
so like I do pick and choose. You know, I
would have thought we just actually watched the substance and
I actually would have thought that that was an H
(13:19):
twenty four film because it certainly feels like one, but
probably uncut gems. Although I have to say, I have
to say it's not a pleasant movie, but it's I really,
I really loved it.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's great and.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Even though it threw me into like, you know, an
absolute panic spiral.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But have you seen os good Time Time?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I've seen Good Time. I feel like there's.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Another one, Daddy long Legs.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I haven't seen Daddy long Legs.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, there's there's quite a few.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
But no, And like we we were talking to about
like actually was asking you, like if Mother was an
A twenty four film, because it definitely because I loved
that one, and it definitely feels like it could be.
But you know, and actually, I really legitimately thought that
The Substance was an A twenty four film until I realized,
(14:19):
oh no, the distribution got totally like screwed on that
and then movie movie, so of all, you know the places.
So so Jill doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Know the Substance is in the book though. So the
one thing about the A twenty four new wave is,
you know, it's not just now it is primarily almost
completely about A twenty four films, but it also and
in fact, I don't think I put it on the
kickser yet, but I do have a like an a
twenty four ish chapter, like films like The Substance, like
(14:54):
Mother for example.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The New Lyncheon it is it's a twenty four ish and.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Like the Corner Julie de Cornell Titan, and she's now
doing working with a twenty four in a film. So
there's there's certainly.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
People really kicked off a style of film. They have
definitely ushered in, which is what this whole book is about.
They have a new wave of cinema, and there will
be copycats and there will be some that do it
better that are not a twenty four. So absolutely, but
they definitely have kind of started a trend, I guess.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And as people read the book, you know, they'll see
I'm not like saying that, hey, we're gonna it's It's
not like Cahir to cinema. They you know, they basically
had this manifesto or Dog one ninety five, although all
those movements get talked about and and I try to
frame twenty four in that context. But the interesting thing
is they're a business, they're a company. They want to
(15:54):
make money. We've seen they have their fan base, they
have their cult, they have they sell a lot of stuff.
Go to their website, they sell a lot of stuff,
and we're selling stuff too, But well, this is stuff
people want to have.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
This is like the Robert Evans Paramount era too, I
mean very much. So, I mean in a way, you know,
like because that was but again it's a it's a business,
it's a studio. But they were putting out a Now
it was a short period of time, but it was
kind of the new Hollywood cinema and Paramount was at
(16:28):
the forefront of that and putting out these like groundbreaking films.
That is all kind of in a similar similar fashion.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And they're in the book and AIP is in the
book American Independent Corman, a lot of UFA is in
the book book German Expressionism. So, I mean, none of
those are exactly apples to oranges or apples apples with
a twenty four. It's very unique. And mirror Maax, for example,
you know that is a very different story.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
In the Mirrormax dominated. I mean, now we know why
they dominated, but Mirrormax is synonymous with nineties and mid
auts cinema. I mean, you cannot it dominated dominated every
(17:18):
corner and mirror.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I mean really A twenty four rolls right into that tradition.
So while I do give them credit for keeping this alive,
I don't really give them credit for starting a new
way because a lot of these things were kind of broken.
It's kind of like grunge music, so like Nirvana's never
Mind was the seminal album Pearl Jam sound Garden. But
there were a lot of things brewing, and in independent cinema,
(17:42):
there were a lot of things brewing really in the
prior twenty years, really the prior hundred years, so which
I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Kurt Kurt did try to give props to he did
when he did Plugged and he brought out, oh my god,
the Melvine meat puppets. I mean they were I mean
so so. I mean, and you know, there are directors
here in A twenty four that are like, wait a minute, no,
(18:10):
you need to look at this director that I've really strong.
I mean, Sean Baker is a prime example of him.
He talks about all of the you know, a lot
of Giallo directors that he admired. I mean, he talks about.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Like a full bunch. Yeah, a whole.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Bunch of directors that probably most people that go to
the movies have never heard of, and.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
He channels them. Jess Franco, of course, is the big
one for the new film. The thing is, I'm actually writing.
I'm finalizing the Sean Baker chapter right now. It's I
love it. I think it's one of the better ones,
and I'm about we'll have to wrap up here, but
I'm about to start on the Saftees chapter because they're
in the next logical, and then ari ast I'm kind
(18:57):
of it's percolating. Ari ast Is. I had to watch
Hereditary again. I say had to. I loved it. It's
a great movie. But you know, and I look forward
to Midsummer and all that. But the Safties. I'm actually
procrastinating a little bit because I have to go back
and watch Daddy Long Legs. I have to watch Frownland again,
which is their collaborator, Rona Bronstein. So yeah, it's not
(19:21):
all it's not all fun and games, but I'm really
enjoying the writing process. I just added a Western chapter,
which I'm really looking for. I think you'll really call
the classic Western and revisionist Westerns of like the sixties
and seventies. That's all going to get talked about. So yeah,
support us and just hopefully you'll support us as human beings.
(19:42):
Jill is awesome. We have this. I mean we've been
working together for like what five years now, it's crazy
and through all of our trials and tribulations, we're making
shit happen. So help us make shit happen. So thanks,
Jill and everybody else. We will talk to you either
on our platform, our podcasts, our social media, but Jim Jill,
(20:07):
and it's called the jail. Jill, I'm thrilled to go
on this ride, with this journey with you so to
this year. So what I did there
You are now listening to the someone's favorite productions podcast network.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I want to let everybody know I've got David David
Lynch's picture behind me. Today would have been his I
can't believe I'm saying would have been It would have
been his what's seventy ninth birthday? And he passed away
on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, Thursday last week.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, he pulled a bowie on us. I mean he
like died and then his birthday.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
So I don't know. Jill is my other half. This
is a rare occasion where you're a guess, my other half.
I mean, you're the co owner of our business. You're
the co host of our podcast, not this one, but
which is weird.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But this is this is not in my outs of
wheel the Wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well your part, you're you're in this house as an editor.
So this is the companion podcast to the book, and
you are editing the book, not actively at the moment,
but you will get into that. But we're friends and yeah,
when when when David Lynch happened last week? I think
it's fair to say that we both ran to our
(01:22):
private chat and exchanged some what in the world how
could this happen? I mean it was a shock and.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm I am like definitely reeling. I mean I had
a feeling that, you know, because that he did that
gave that interview back in the fall where he talked
about how he was essentially homebound. And it's it's no
secret he he did quit smoking, but he loved to smoke.
(01:50):
He talked about how that was. I mean, he when
he says about the art life, he loves the art
life because it's smoking and it's coffee, and and he
loved his smoke. I don't think there's hardly a picture
of him or video of him where there's not a
cigarette in his hand. And ultimately that's what took him out.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And although they're.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Saying that really the he had inmphysema COPD and he
had to evacuate because of the Sunset fire in Los Angeles,
and so that actually the air quality really, I mean,
he had.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Been ill, that hurts.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That was inevitable, but the air quality and pollution from
the fires is really what took him out. So but
I just we have been in like we've been reeling,
but I think that what and so I picked this
as my background art and tribute, but also because I
(02:49):
feel like it's very much in the spirit of what
you are working on, or what we both.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Are working on. The thing is, he's all over what
I'm working on. I've already cited him as and the
thing is so okay, obviously this is about the A
twenty four book I've been writing. And actually I'll just
go to the Kickstarter and so let me just scroll down. Oh,
there's the May Queen. I'm going to do a little
(03:16):
fast scroll to the very bottom to look at the
table of contents. Sorry, I just conveniently have them there.
Oh yeah, these are not the actual titles. The titles
are more fun for the chapters. But but yeah, so
David Lynch he's here. He influenced this guy for sure,
influenced this guy. This guy I would say Eggers for sure,
(03:42):
I would say your goos. Yeah, and probably Barry. Although
it's not as obvious. I think the safti's a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I mean, I honestly think I mean all of it.
Lynch was. He is one of the last great autos.
And that's not to say we don't we there are
tours right here in this list here, but he was
one of the last working tours and uh, I don't know.
(04:13):
Maybe maybe maybe was the greatest living filmmaker. I would
make it. I would make an argument for that that
he was certainly one of the most exciting and definitely
kept people on their toes. But I think I can't
remember who, and I don't want to digress here, but
(04:35):
I do think this is important because it does tie in,
I think, to what we're a lot of what we're
talking about. But one thing I want to say. It
was an interview with you know what. I'm not going
to say who it is because I can't remember, but
somebody had shared an interview where they were talking about
(04:57):
Lynch and how Lynch was completely un ironic. He really
and truly appreciated all of you know, the birds singing
and the sky being blue. And when there's video of
him talking about the red curtain in in Twin Peaks
(05:21):
and he says, oh, look at that curtain. Look how
beautiful it is. He's not being funny, he's being absolutely genuine,
and all of that ties into his outlook on life
and his Buddhist kind of beliefs orything. So anyways, just
I think that there was a beauty about him that
(05:41):
a lot of filmmakers maybe don't embrace, but I think
there are some in this list that do a lot.
And you know, so I don't know. I just felt
like having this here. And because he his fingerprints are
all over everything that that A twenty four puts out,
(06:05):
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So yeah, and so yeah, we are reeling huge loss,
a massive loss. And I had talked about him in
the book, but of course he was living. So unfortunately
I have to edit some of.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That, which is which is just insane.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I know, I know, I've been writing this book and
you know, yeah, having to edit the life of one
of my I mean, my number one film. Go to
my letterbox, mhulland Drive. I have I think like six
copies in my home of Mholland Drive. And that's not
to mention all the others. So yeah, devastating and and
what timing too. That was like our fourth day of
(06:43):
our Kickstarter and yeah, we're in a good mood, you know,
good ship was happening, and then all of a sudden, Yeah,
but so yeah, David Lynch, love you man, But hard
to transition from that. I'm glad. I'm glad we paid
tribute because we really had to. We would have done
it in some way, shape or form on other podcasts
(07:06):
or whatever, but he's just too massive, probably even on
our journey call this week, but absolutely. But anyway, we
are working on a book. I kind of hold up
for like months, a couple months really over the holidays,
and I just jammed out some words. So I'm I've
(07:26):
actually got like the way I worded it was publishable
in that it's not actually publishable, but like as far
as word count and page count, like I have something
that was actually size. Yeah, book mine is what I'm yeah, like,
it's got to be good, so I wouldn't want anybody
to read. I mean, it's it's the writing process. There's refining,
(07:48):
there's editing, and so so I'll share the kickstarter again
and yes, please if you're seeing this for the first time,
please support us. We are we are stour goal. I'll
scroll back up here as we are recording this. We're
close to our goal, almost made it. We are I
think this is eighty two percent. It doesn't show me
(08:10):
the math here, but here is a trailer by the
wonderful Wade Shielder, so good friend of ours. And this
is the cover too, by Kaitlyn cooled another good friend
of ours. Yes, the May Queen. This is going to
be in color and wow, this I cannot wait for
this beautiful sketch to be in color. If you saw
(08:33):
and you have seen, Jill, if you saw the black
and white of this and then when it became colorful,
just think of it like that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It just absolutely stunning. Caitlin does incredible work and we've
been partnering with her since the inception of Senna Journeys
and she's just such a We have such a great
collaborative relationship with her. She's just so so talented and
really has helped bring to life so many of our ideas.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So lucky, I mean, we're lucky to have that relationship
and friendship with with Caitlin. So yeah, and and couldn't
be happier to have her as part of this project.
And yeah, and one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Thing Aaron can I add too, is that you know
a big reason why we're doing this Kickstarter is because
Aaron and I are putting this book out. We are
not we are not you know, going through traditional publishing
channels just because we you know, for a lot of reasons,
(09:39):
but a lot of it is because we want to
be able to control the creative process on this and
and then get this out to people who are fans
of A twenty four or want to learn more about
A twenty four. So that's why we're doing this, is
because we want to be able to bypass that very
very not so fun process with publishing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I've had a book deal before, and that's that's
a story for another day, and not a not a
bad story, you know, not a whole story, not an
A twenty four story. Well maybe a different kind.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Of maybe it could be. I don't know, it'd be
like a really gripping, like corporate drama.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah. But the thing is A twenty four is a
popular label, it's a popular topic, and so I know
a lot of people are excited about the book. I'm
very happy with what I've written so far. I'm really
happy with whatever. However the word, my words will be
transformed by your mind. That's a weird way of putting it,
but it's true. But the thing is, we could get
(10:41):
a publisher for this, and we could go that route
and it would take long, a lot longer, But we
went this route and so as you can see here,
we have a we have a three thousand dollars goal
and we're almost there, but it actually costs us to
put this out ourselves probably all said, you know, i'd
say maybe fifteen grand to do it right, right, So
(11:04):
this is just the first of many goals. So we
have thirty eight days to go. In the meantime, I'm
going to be writing. I actually took a little break
because this kickstartter and you know, it just so happened
that we lost David Lynch, so I was able to
give you know, I watched wild Heart in tribute. Did
(11:25):
you watch any David Lynch movies last week?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, it's been so crazy because I've my daughter had
this crazy swim meet over the weekend, so like i
didn't even get to have a moment. I've just been
watching like interview clips. But I'm actually I think I'm
going to watch The Art Life, which, by the way,
if you don't have the Criterion channel, they are streaming
(11:51):
that for free for non subscribers. But it's a really
great glimpse into his process. So I think I'm actually
going to rewatch that because I think it's just such
a that's awesome, it's such a great little thing, and
I might put on the Twin Peaks pilot because it's
just yeah, it's just that's of beauty.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know. I might put on the return episode eight.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, I mean there's some and I think I'm gonna
I mean, not not to capitalize or anything, but just
think I'm going to put more of him in the
book too. So I'll just share you've already seen some
of the intro. But I do talk about what led
me to as my personal prologue, what led me to
writing this book in the book, and but really the
(12:41):
reality why I love A twenty four and they're not perfect.
That's one thing that will could get covered. This is
not a hagiography. But for the most part, they put
out some amazing films, especially you know Midsommar's, we mentioned Moonlight,
lots of others. Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, so I am not like h It's hard for
me to get out to see a lot of new movies,
so I have to say that, and I'm and I'm
I'm pretty much seated in the in the old classics stuff,
so like I do pick and choose. You know, I
would have thought we just actually watched the substance and
I actually would have thought that that was an H
(13:19):
twenty four film because it certainly feels like one, but
probably uncut gems. Although I have to say, I have
to say it's not a pleasant movie, but it's I really,
I really loved it.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's great and.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Even though it threw me into like, you know, an
absolute panic spiral.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But have you seen os good Time Time?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I've seen Good Time. I feel like there's.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Another one, Daddy long Legs.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I haven't seen Daddy long Legs.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, there's there's quite a few.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
But no, And like we we were talking to about
like actually was asking you, like if Mother was an
A twenty four film, because it definitely because I loved
that one, and it definitely feels like it could be.
But you know, and actually, I really legitimately thought that
The Substance was an A twenty four film until I realized,
(14:19):
oh no, the distribution got totally like screwed on that
and then movie movie, so of all, you know the places.
So so Jill doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Know the Substance is in the book though. So the
one thing about the A twenty four new wave is,
you know, it's not just now it is primarily almost
completely about A twenty four films, but it also and
in fact, I don't think I put it on the
kickser yet, but I do have a like an a
twenty four ish chapter, like films like The Substance, like
(14:54):
Mother for example.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The New Lyncheon it is it's a twenty four ish and.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Like the Corner Julie de Cornell Titan, and she's now
doing working with a twenty four in a film. So
there's there's certainly.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
People really kicked off a style of film. They have
definitely ushered in, which is what this whole book is about.
They have a new wave of cinema, and there will
be copycats and there will be some that do it
better that are not a twenty four. So absolutely, but
they definitely have kind of started a trend, I guess.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And as people read the book, you know, they'll see
I'm not like saying that, hey, we're gonna it's It's
not like Cahir to cinema. They you know, they basically
had this manifesto or Dog one ninety five, although all
those movements get talked about and and I try to
frame twenty four in that context. But the interesting thing
is they're a business, they're a company. They want to
(15:54):
make money. We've seen they have their fan base, they
have their cult, they have they sell a lot of stuff.
Go to their website, they sell a lot of stuff,
and we're selling stuff too, But well, this is stuff
people want to have.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
This is like the Robert Evans Paramount era too, I
mean very much. So, I mean in a way, you know,
like because that was but again it's a it's a business,
it's a studio. But they were putting out a Now
it was a short period of time, but it was
kind of the new Hollywood cinema and Paramount was at
(16:28):
the forefront of that and putting out these like groundbreaking films.
That is all kind of in a similar similar fashion.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And they're in the book and AIP is in the
book American Independent Corman, a lot of UFA is in
the book book German Expressionism. So, I mean, none of
those are exactly apples to oranges or apples apples with
a twenty four. It's very unique. And mirror Maax, for example,
you know that is a very different story.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
In the Mirrormax dominated. I mean, now we know why
they dominated, but Mirrormax is synonymous with nineties and mid
auts cinema. I mean, you cannot it dominated dominated every
(17:18):
corner and mirror.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I mean really A twenty four rolls right into that tradition.
So while I do give them credit for keeping this alive,
I don't really give them credit for starting a new
way because a lot of these things were kind of broken.
It's kind of like grunge music, so like Nirvana's never
Mind was the seminal album Pearl Jam sound Garden. But
there were a lot of things brewing, and in independent cinema,
(17:42):
there were a lot of things brewing really in the
prior twenty years, really the prior hundred years, so which
I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Kurt Kurt did try to give props to he did
when he did Plugged and he brought out, oh my god,
the Melvine meat puppets. I mean they were I mean
so so. I mean, and you know, there are directors
here in A twenty four that are like, wait a minute, no,
(18:10):
you need to look at this director that I've really strong.
I mean, Sean Baker is a prime example of him.
He talks about all of the you know, a lot
of Giallo directors that he admired. I mean, he talks about.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Like a full bunch. Yeah, a whole.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Bunch of directors that probably most people that go to
the movies have never heard of, and.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
He channels them. Jess Franco, of course, is the big
one for the new film. The thing is, I'm actually writing.
I'm finalizing the Sean Baker chapter right now. It's I
love it. I think it's one of the better ones,
and I'm about we'll have to wrap up here, but
I'm about to start on the Saftees chapter because they're
in the next logical, and then ari ast I'm kind
(18:57):
of it's percolating. Ari ast Is. I had to watch
Hereditary again. I say had to. I loved it. It's
a great movie. But you know, and I look forward
to Midsummer and all that. But the Safties. I'm actually
procrastinating a little bit because I have to go back
and watch Daddy Long Legs. I have to watch Frownland again,
which is their collaborator, Rona Bronstein. So yeah, it's not
(19:21):
all it's not all fun and games, but I'm really
enjoying the writing process. I just added a Western chapter,
which I'm really looking for. I think you'll really call
the classic Western and revisionist Westerns of like the sixties
and seventies. That's all going to get talked about. So yeah,
support us and just hopefully you'll support us as human beings.
(19:42):
Jill is awesome. We have this. I mean we've been
working together for like what five years now, it's crazy
and through all of our trials and tribulations, we're making
shit happen. So help us make shit happen. So thanks,
Jill and everybody else. We will talk to you either
on our platform, our podcasts, our social media, but Jim Jill,
(20:07):
and it's called the jail. Jill, I'm thrilled to go
on this ride, with this journey with you so to
this year. So what I did there
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