UFOLOGY IN 2025

On this show on alien addict, I'm so happy to announce that Mat from Terrestrial Materials will be joining me for a catch up and where is ufology is at in 2025.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Wank footage indeed lazy h And welcome back to Alien Addict,
the show where we discussed all things UFOs and aliens
and our pursuits into the mysteries and the unexplained. So
welcome on into the show. So we've got a banger
of a show. Today is going to be all about
UFO's and we obviously have a special guest. But before
we get into this, I think it's actually worth mentioning.
But the fact that s Hammer, how's going bruh? You

(01:23):
mentioned last show that euphology is pretty much dead. I
mean the conversation is pretty much dead, and that pretty
much sparked an interest. For the beginning of the week.
I literally could not get the idea out of my
head that uphology can practically be dead in the water.

(01:47):
And one evening I was on my lunch break and
this weather's been amazing her the whole week's been absolutely glorious.
And I went to a golf course and my lunch
break of four twenty eight, i'd have thought, look at
that sky, look at the chem trails, said that word.
But anyway, anyway, Yeah, I just sat down and I thought, right,
where is you? Follow you at the moment, what conversations

(02:08):
can I bring forward that is going to bring for instance, disclosure.
And then it pondered on me. I was like, gin,
what I need a mat in my life, not any
other mat. We're talking about a Trustrial Material mat. And
it's almost like the universe sort of spoke to me.
Because I was on my phone, the man himself, Matt
from Trustrial Material message mere saying Friday, let's do it.

(02:31):
So I reached out and I thought, let's get Matt
on the show. So, without further ado, let's welcome to
the stage once again, live on Natlien Addict Matt, how's
it going, bro?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
What's up? Dude? Dare I say welcome home? Huh yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Tell me about it. Yeah, God, it's been It's been
a while, wasn't it. It's been what four or five
months on that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah. You know what's crazy is like I was sitting here,
You're running the intro and everything, and I was like, damn, dude,
it's it's been a while. It's been some nonsense. Come
over here and talk to a little bit of UFOs.
Talked to a little youuthology, right, obviously, we have a
little bit of a change up of the format over here.
You've been You've been running the show, dude, I've been
watching man. You've been doing a very very good job
with all things considered, especially when you're trying to take

(03:16):
over a brand new chant, or not a brand new channel,
but like a brand new format to a channel that's
already had something established. You're doing. You're doing great. It's
a great start.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I appreciate it, mate. Yeah, It's one of those situations
where you go, what the hell do I do with
this show? You know, because we're going from O, Linier
and Day, you know, the three of them. They've got
a connection and there, so they've got a formula going.
But for me, it's like doing it on my own
and trying to make the audience more I'm not saying,
like trying to entertain them, but keep them on their
toes when it comes toufology. But on that subject, bru, Well,

(03:48):
I want to know how you've been because people want
to know where that would happened.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I've been good, man, I've been good. I've just not
been on the webcam as much. I've been over in
the world of acts and Twitter over there, whatever whatever
you want to call it. No, I've been good, and
it's been fun kind of just like following along euthology
in a little bit more of a passive sense as
far as like being out there and about with a
channel or something like that. I've been hosting x spaces
and I'm on there tweeting and posting clips and having
some fun with it, even some some AI stuff. Been

(04:14):
having fun with the AI too. That's a whole nother
avenue that a lot of the UFO Twitter has been
going down right now. But no, man, I mean it's
still there. I mean, I'm still looking into the topic
trying to follow where everything has been going. It's it's
it's been tough obviously on UFOs for since maybe November,
if we really want to kind of like put it
back to a certain point in time. I know, the

(04:34):
New Jersey drone thing was kind of a big deal.
A lot of people were talking about that. I came
on and on a hitting underbelly was talking to you
guys about that for a little bit. But yeah, yeah,
it's it's been. It's been on a rough spot and
we feel like a lot of the narrative over the
last ten are going on ten years now that we've
been looking at seems to have maybe run its course

(04:55):
and we're looking at more of kind of like a
rebirth or just kind of like a reset you know,
of uthology and where it's going, and this it needs
it a little bit, you know, there needs to be
some fresh blood and everything that's going on with right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, I think that there's a trust issue when it
comes to euthology. And now all these so called whistleblowers,
you know, for instance, David Grush, and we've got now
Jake Barbara that's coming forward. And I find in a
lot of the conversation is going well until you give
us evidence. I mean, for instance, Jake Barbara in his
psionics and is summoning of UFOs, which you talk about

(05:31):
a little bit later. Okay, it might bring some sort
of evidence, but is it the evidence that we need
clear footage and not blurry footage? And this is it.
I think people are kind of like really ticked off
that the fact we've seen these I mean, for instance,
the Jerey mccaubell footage that came out with a tic tac. Yeah,
blurry footage, you know, you can't really make out of anything.
And I think people are getting frustrated. I think they
want the clear, crystal clear footage, even the documentation that

(05:53):
you know that expected to be released soon. So in
terms of like the conversation of where disclosure and youogy
is going at the moment, it is pretty much going
nowhere in terms of what can actually bring forward. I mean,
we're talking about disclosure here, isn't it right?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
This is I mean, what would you say disclosure is?
Because so many people in chat and especially on on Twitter,
various social media sites saying that there's many different form
formulayers of what disclosure is. Yeah, what's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, I mean it's probably even I mean it's probably
different for everybody. I mean for me, it's I'd like
to see the craft. Obviously a body would be great
if we could get that. But you know, lately, dude,
I've been also been thinking about you know, when you
look at AI, you look at how video has changed,
and even photography, all of it, there's everything so manipulative
now it's manipulatable, and and and there's there's there's not

(06:46):
really a whole lot of room for taking any of
that at face value. I kind of been thinking about
maybe disclosure is the math. Maybe disclosure is having a
whistleblower that comes out of a physicists whistleblower that comes
out of you know, lockeed or or eight on wherever
you buzz name you want to put northup gramma on there,
and they come out and say, hey, look this is
this is the math. This is how the crafts fly

(07:06):
because you can't fake the math right. So I've been
thinking more about that lately. Maybe if you had a
video nick that was like ironclad chain of custody something
all the way back, you know, you could really dial
it in and figure out, okay, this is real. This
wasn't anything that they made recently. But other than that,
do maybe the math for me at this point, the
math would also be even though I probably couldn't do

(07:27):
the math right, you know, that would still be something
that we could get someone who could do the math.
They could look at it and say, yeah, okay, this
is physics that we don't it works, but this is
all brand new. You know, we've never seen anything and
academics like this before.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
If that makes sense, this is it?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, I think my idea of disclosure where I've been
researching into it is the fact that the US government,
so to speak, would come forward and say, yes, we
have actual streastral craft. They've been visiting US, uh and
necessarily necessarily they're gonna reverse engineered the craft itself, but
they admitting that we do have these crafts. But then
it's going to actually show the proof of that. So

(08:06):
that was my always idea of disclosure. But I think
you're on the right track there, Matt, that I think
now is the time where we need a scientific or
military great technology to come forward. It's not necessarily say
it's going to be extraterrestrial, but it can almost point
to it, do you know what I mean? Because like
my idea, I'm pretty much people in chatting for you
as well, Matt, that the government does have exotic technology,

(08:29):
whether or not it's actually extratrest duels. I think it's
kind of pinpointing in that direction. So I think you're
on the spot there pretty much. The government are not
going to give us the truth that we deserve.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, the tic TAC account to me, Like I
still say, like whether that the video is any good
or not, you know that we've had coming out of it.
I know Earl has been kind of ripping it a
lot of that footage. But at the end of the day,
I still take favor his account. I still think that
guy knows what he's looking at. Hell of a pilot.
It's kind of hard to kind of rip that away

(09:00):
from him. Right. So when I still look at the
tech tac, I still think people get caught up on
is it alien? Is it you know our tech? The
reality of it is the tech exists. That's really the argument,
Like it's there. You know where it came from and
where you can kind of battle back and forth, and
you can go back into the forties and the fifties
and you can have those arguments whether or not that's
that stuff was we're breakthroughs from back in the day.

(09:20):
I mean, town's in brown electric crevitics. You can you
can argue about that if you want. There's there's places
you can go with it. But yeah, I still think
that there is something involved, whether it's ours or not.
That's what we're trying to figure out. Dude, this is.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
It when you think about this exotic technology. And we
go back to the drones situation that happened the beginning
of this year. I mean thinking that the drones we're
seen it's actually military grade and you're thinking, well, I'm pretty
sure they've got more advanced technology than the drones. And
we're thinking, whoa, this is very high technology. That happened
here is like, well, hold on a minute, whereas it's
actually coming from you know, say, some people say it's
from China, and then you had an Iranian prime minister

(09:56):
say no is it's it's a mother ship and all
that sort of nonsense that came with it. There was
so much confusions. In one way, you could say it
was a distraction. I mean in terms of what the
outcome was. I mean, we never know what happened to
the drone situation. Trump said it was FAA approved. Well
where did they come from? So we haven't really got
an answer to it. But I noticed with the drone
situation in terms of technology, oh, this is military technology.

(10:19):
But saying that, there was one footage of a drone
and the ball of light. The drones obviously flash has
got that beacon light. You've got the ball of light
and the drone comes up, a flash happened, and then
the drone and then the orb flies away. So that's
saying there's something more towards military technology, because we're assuming
that these drones are military, but we've got these orbs

(10:41):
in the sky, and there was such a confusion over
that time. So the technology side, I think they ain't
gonna tell us that map.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm sorry, it's no.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Defense for it. If if we get a defense for it,
they might turn around decide, Okay, we can start leaking
some more of this hot or started talking about more
of this At this point. I've talked about that in
the past. I think it is something to where we're
waiting for them to be more comfortable with it. But dude,
they're still arguing about those the Jersey drones. I think
that that senator, the chairman of the Armed Service Committee
or whatever, was talking about how they still don't know

(11:12):
what it is. That's what they're saying. Well, however, I
mean for me, man, I think when they're saying that,
it's because they do and they just don't want to
talk about it. You know. Could there be some craziness
that's that's flowing out there in amongst it. Maybe, But
I haven't seen it, man, I haven't seen it. I
haven't seen a video that convinced me of anything like that,
and I think I think there's some more sightings going
on in Florida. I know Red Panic Kwala was talking

(11:34):
about how he's seeing more people talking about reports in
Florida and stuff like that that's going on. There were
some going on in Oregon back then. But yeah, it's
interesting enough.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
It's crazy, isn't it. You know. I think one thing
I did noticed with the drones situation is that people
were looking up into the sky a lot more, and
that's a great thing. I think more people were looking up.
But when you're new to skywatching, I've been SkyWatch a
long period of time, mostly analysn the kemps shows the
sky and all that, so I'm sort of used to
that sort of stuff. So you learn what you see

(12:05):
in the sky, for instance, satellites shooting stars and stuff
like that, which you're gonna be going to a video a
bit later. But the people that were filming these objects
were basically planes and stuff like that. I mean Stephen
green Street he did a video and he there was
this famous UFO wll drone that was spotted in the
sky and every single news outlet was playing it, and
he tracked down where this aircraft was. He actually spoke

(12:27):
to the pilot and he was confirmed that it was
a Cessna, a small little Cesla plane. But still the
mainstream media kept on putting that footage, saying it's an
extra treasure craft. No it's not, it's an actual drone.
And it's just like, whoa on a minute, let's just
take a step back in my latre, you know what
I mean. It was such a confusing time. But saying that,
if we look back to where we were an Alien

(12:48):
Addict round about I think it was like two thousand
and three, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four that time period,
and you think from I've got a list here of
things that happened through the duration of our time on
Alien Addicts. You had the Providing Aliens, had the faith
dealers maybe on the plane, you had the la aliens

(13:10):
in the in the back garden, you had David Grosh,
you had the congressional hearings, arrow, the Disclosure Actor, Schumer Amendment.
So it was such an exciting year. And I remember
Matt at one point where I think it was coming
to the end of Alien Addicts, before I took it
back up. It was fact that, look, if nothing happened.

(13:31):
Soon the conversation is dead. I mean it's going to
be dead in the water. And maybe you were spot on,
you were like right on the money.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, well, you know, look, I entered that that UFIL
monologue competition last year and I was right around this
time in April, and that was like a big point
that I wanted to get home across all my messages.
The whole competition was was talking about do a monologue
about what you think is going on? And you followed
you and I said, we're in very special but we're
very vulnerable times very vulnerable. You know, you have, like

(13:59):
you mentioned all these events, but the biggest one was
David Grush in July of twenty three coming out and saying, hey,
look there's crash retrieval programs that we have. Biologics they
came along with it. This goes all the way back
to the thirties, the Italy crash, all of this stuff.
It was huge and Nick, we hadn't seen an influx
of people into euthology or into just the social media

(14:19):
euthology since twenty seventeen, dude, since that article. And it
was a massive push. And so you had all these
new people in twenty three. You had all the new
people that came around in twenty seventeen, and you had
a big influx in twenty twenty because people were sitting
at home and they wanted to learn about the aliens,
and so you had all these podcasts popping up and
all these new shows and new theories and all these people. Right,

(14:40):
And I said to myself, this is when Grush was
out there. It was like, Okay, this is cool, it's
great to be here. But what a vulnerable moment because
if this guy doesn't cash in. With the attention span
of everyone nowadays and having so many other options for
entertainment and for discovery, we're going to lose a lot

(15:01):
of these people, you know. And I and I talk
about in my UFL monologue, I said, you know, a
fumble at this point could be unrecoverable and and I
wont and not not in the sense of unrecoverable where
phology is completely dead and no one ever looked at
the topic anymore. But I'm talking about this momentum, dude,
that's been that's built and built and built, and it
got just this hysteroid boost in twenty three from Grush,

(15:24):
that that that we could lose that and then where
do we go past that point? Because the grush narrative,
it's it's kind of interesting, brother, because like if we
really want to talk about, like where are eu fologing
in twenty twenty five and where a lot of this is,
you kind of have to go back, like you have
to look at really where this stuff started and where
it came from. I mean when you really look back
at that article even prior, even prior to that, I

(15:46):
mean you had Tom DeLong in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen
getting TTSA and everything rolling, and he was doing interviews
and he was talking about it. So you look at
all of that pressure all the way up until now,
and you look at where we go forward. Who's the
next guy, where's the new blood? Where is all of
that coming from earlier? I said, you know, it's kind

(16:07):
of like a rebirth or like a resurgence. It almost
feels like uthology died last year at the end of
I right after that hearing, right after that hearing with Elizondo,
and it was almost kind of a little bit reborn
near the end of the year. But with the speed
of social media and how everything is fast moving, it's
like it's a it's a teenager now again a little bit.

(16:28):
It's angsty. Everyone's angry about it. Everyone's demanding, and we're
we want to cheer it on, and you want to
be like that, you know, but at the same time,
you're also mad, you're depressed, you're not getting what you want.
And when you look around and take the temperature of everything,
especially on Twitter because of how fast everything moves on Twitter,
and you get all the not only the comments like
you do on YouTube, but you get more clips, and

(16:50):
you get people talking live about it and you can
jump in and talk. You get that same feeling that
euthologies it's dead, but it's also kind of like a
teenager again with the way everybody's arguing about it. If
that makes sense, Does that make sense where I'm going?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Oh no, totally, yeah, totally. I mean, I mean, if
you look at like Twitter, for instance, I came on
it round about what three years ago because I joined
alien ladis and you guys, look, stay updated with the
stuff because I needed to get the full whack of
what people call what was the conversation about? And then
I started to notice like, oh no, this community is
really fractured, like really fractured. And now like you're you're

(17:24):
a spot on there, Matt, when you're saying that after
the congressional hearing with Lui la Zondo, there was a
massive dip. Even I noticed that, and I think like
Mark gu was saying, Himmak, welcome on to the show,
he was saying that he's now lost the belief in
aliens for instance. You know, I think that everything's so
fractured because we're not really getting the answers that we
want and where the conversation is going. And for instance,

(17:46):
if you look at the community as a whole, we're
all arguing with each other. And that was obviously done
on purpose in my opinion for that one. But I
think people are just be fractured. I think a lot
of people are just fractured by is thinking what is
going on? There's a conversation going.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
We have a lot of people that are afraid to
say that too, Nick. They are they're afraid to be
looked at as negative, or they're just you know, spoil
sport and you know, or you're not being patient enough
or whatever excuse you you want to provide. Yeah, I mean,
but like it's It's kind of like the teenager thing
I was talking about earlier. I mean, I don't have
any kids, but I can think of, you know, being
a teenager. You know, there's at certain point in times

(18:24):
where you want to encourage them, you know, and you
want to say, hey, this, you're doing this great and
doing that great. There's other times where you got to say, hey,
this is where you're going wrong. Because at the end
of the day, you want it to grow, you want
it to progress, but you don't want it to go
into down down a road where you lose control of
it and it goes off into a call, it goes
off into a religion. You don't want to do that.
And that's kind of a thing that we start to

(18:45):
look at Skywatcher. There's there's hints at that. There's hints
of stuff even without even with Lou and a lot
of Lou's background. You know, a lot of people are
putting scientology on Alizondo and the remote viewing stuff, and
so this this thing can get off the rails. Brother,
But there's nothing wrong with trying to write the ship
a little bit. If you want to speculate, you want
to talk about people on the moon and Mars or whatever.

(19:08):
That's all fine. It's fun and dandy. I I love
doing that. I love to have fun, great part of
the show.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
But at the end of the.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Day, you have to also be okay with kind of
giving a little pat and like, hey, let's get moving again.
I mean, like, yeah, back on the track. If you
got to, you gotta maybe not skull is the good word,
but you got to kind of discipline it a little
bit and say, hey, look, you can't go too far.
We're trying to get something done here. I think I'd.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Noticed with a lot of people on Twitter that has
got like a lot of followers in one aspect, I
think I wouldn't say this is like narcissism comes into
into the equation.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
For instance.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I mean, if you had like a lot of followers
and people going, yeah, keep going, you're on the right track,
and it almost solidifies that, oh I am right actually,
and anybody so says no otherwise, it's how you treat
this situation. But most people just end up being dicks,
and it's just like, so there is this like this narcissistic,
narcissistic attitude that comes with social media. As social media
as a whole, it is not necessarily just like TikTok

(20:01):
or Twitter, so to speak, but it's it's like a
whole form of of aspecting like the Facebook. If you're
interacted with people, it's people's opinions. But when you fology,
you say no, that's not actually right, and then oh,
I say, it's like, well, well free happens, mate, you know,
you know, I mean, it's crazy, but let's get to question.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I'll say, that's really quick. But just to end that
at the same time, like, I had an interaction like
just just the other night in my skywatcher space where
I was talking about how I think they have they're
trying to kind of angle for a TV deal, and
this guy just instantly jumped to all your You're you're
calling them lives, you're calling them grifters. I was like, well, no, no,
that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying the TV
show for a different reason, but if But the whole

(20:39):
point is is like if you get skeptical or you
kind of come at things in a non cheery way,
some people they just want to go ahead and just say, oh,
you're just you're calling them a grifter. They jump to conclusions.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Brother, yeah, exactly exactly. So, Matt, could you people with
that in chat know how bad I read. I mean, Matt,
it is terrible. You probably so you can relate. But
could you read this question now for please?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah? So rodnerd Motion says, I have a question. Where
do the aliens make their spaceships? Where are the factories
pouring ufon medals, testing and all that?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
That's complicated? Or come on, man, how do you expect
me and Matt fans of that one?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
You would you would have think like the whole universe
has made out the same stuff that is on our planet.
You know, you would have thought it would be like
the same compounds. But this is the problem, man. You know,
now we've come for the conversation of UFO craft doesn't
really come to the equation anymore. Even look at like
the Jake Barber stuff, the psionics And I tell you what,
I've got a photograph here because he brang up a

(21:44):
selection of UFOs or unidentified flowin objects. I still do
not use the word UAPs.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I yeah, I quit using it, man, I don't I
don't like it. I don't know. To be honest with you, dude,
I'm not even sure I like NHI anymore. I just
feel like people are afraid to say alien non human intelligence.
I mean there's non human higher intelligence too, Like I
understand why someone it's not listen. NH is not as
bad as UAP, it's not, but I don't know. I
feel weird about it. I feel weird about it.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Sometimes this is it, This is it. Yeah, so I
was thinking to myself, where are the George Zabski flying
the typical brim of the hat flying sources matter? Right,
there's nothing on here? This sky watches seem to me
as I was watching through the program. But the fact

(22:34):
that they seem like mof on two point zero. They
really want to be in the ufology. But they I know,
they want to get some sort of evidence. But what
they've been producing has not been that great. I mean,
we can go so.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Far, yeah, so far not not meeting up to their
their claims. And they've made big claims due they've made
really big claims.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
It's huge claims. Yeah, yeah, this is it.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's I mean, undebunkable is one of them. I mean,
I mean Jake Barber was talking about he was gonna
undebunkable evidence on Twitter and it's just like, you know,
we're we're nowhere near that. You know, we're not on that.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Oh no, absolutely no.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
And just honestly, like my biggest while you're pulling that up,
I'll tell you, I mean, that's really my biggest thing
with them is is it's really just the claims. You know,
when you look at their claims and then you look
at like the last couple of episodes they've put out,
I just don't see that. It's it's ever gonna line
up as far as the way they're doing it now.
You know, when I was talking about earlier about the
TV show, I mean, they're they're claiming Nick and I mean,
I don't know if you've seen this on Colehart. I

(23:37):
haven't been watching Ross too much lately, but I was
checking out a little bit what's going on with this
stuff with him, and they were talking about they were
gonna have this thing buttoned up inside a year. Inside
this year, they were gonna know whether or not like
this whole method works, and they're pulling these guys down,
and I'm thinking, well, if you're gonna have a TV
deal to pay these investors back, why do we even
make a claim like that, the TV show has got
to go for more than eight months, you know what

(23:59):
I mean, They're gonna want to have a longer time deal.
And so you know, when you look at it, Yeah,
when you look at it like that, it's like it's
not about even the money from the show. It's just
like if they have a TV show, they can't even
like meet their claims. I mean, there's any sense, but yeah,
go ahead, go ahead, this is it.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean, one thing I wanted to know, if you
look at the production value of this series, where did
they get the funding from? Where did they get the
money from? And this makes me think if you look at,
for instance, David Grosch and his ties to Christopher Melon,
and we know he's in with that crowd because of
dark journalist that came forward who was speaking to gros
on the phone, and Grosh says a lot, I can't
say anything else until I speak to Christopher Mellon. It's

(24:37):
like whoa And even like I showed you on the
Last Life Show with Christopher Melon, with Luelizondo in the
White House with Luna Pluna and.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
A skiff coming, They've got skiff suppossibly coming at the
end of the month. Yeah with Arrow. Arrow is going
to be in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
But the thing is, you know, Skiff's what the hell
does that do?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Now?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
You know, it's just like doesn't necessarily mean you're going
to get told the truth?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know, Oh it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
This is it? This is a time before I before
I bring this up.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I just no, this gives just the place where people
can talk. It doesn't give you any further access to
anything any other information.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Correct, Yeah, just one thing I was asking that in
terms of the new task force being set up with
the new administration. Now we've seen the what would it
come for us? The JFK files that came forward eight
thousand documents, that's still quite a lot. And it was
funny like within like two days people managed to figure out,
you know, eighty thousand documents because they used AI. It's

(25:33):
just like, well, did you did? I'll just use AI.
That did it for me. And it was just like
it makes no sense, very lazy, lazy, lazy way of
research in my opinion. But the way things of how
how things have gone now, for instance, with the Epstein
file list, Bellium come out so far as not looking

(25:53):
that great. Okay, yeah, fair enough in terms of the
JFK assassination files, Trump made his word and he stuck
with it. I released it, but doesn't necessarily mean we're
going to get the truth about it. So now we're
still waiting on the U a P thing, and we've
got the nine eleven coming out, we've got the COVID stuff.
Or you're gonna hate me on this one on YouTube
mentioned all these lady words.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I've tried not to cost the best I could for
you to hear you have to hear me on X Space.
I'm a sailor, dude. It's horrible, but it's just the
way I talk. I always've always cleaned it up for YouTube.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
No, that's cool, that's cool man, I appreciate it. But
a but if you think about in terms of what's
going to what's the train of four?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Now we're talking about the task Force, it's coming up?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Ye, yeah, the task Force. Do you think we're gone
any sort of any information coming out or truth about
U a UFOs.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
All I can speculate, all I can speculate, this is
probably not right. I mean, yeah, we we got JFK files,
but do you don't you remember what that judge Pompeo
sn what. Trump called him on the phone and said, Hey,
if they told you what they told me, you wouldn't
tell anybody about what happened with JFK either. It's a
paraphrasing it we have. I haven't heard of anything like
that come out of the JFK files that explosive yet,

(27:07):
So I don't even know. And from what I'm from,
what I think I'm aware of is that there are
still some files that are maybe under lock and key
from the Supreme Court or something like that, or they
have to unlock it or they have to get something
out with it. I don't know. So I don't even
know if we even have everything to even like say
that Trump even provided all of that. Yet people are
people probably won't really give Trump credit on that unless
you know the smoking gun is sitting there, So what

(27:29):
are you gonna do about that? The other thing is
the Epstein stuff. Yeah, I mean, are you really you
think they're really going to flip the whole country over
and and tell everybody about everybody. I never expected the
Epstein ones to come out. I expected the JFK stuff
to come out before the Epstein stuff ever would. But
when it comes to the UFO stuff. The reason why
I bring up those others is like, look at the pattern.
If we can't get the truth on JFK Nick, how

(27:51):
are we supposed to get you know, game changing technology?
How are we supposed to get you know, the bodies
of the craft? I mean this, these these are be
the greatest secrets of all time. I mean I just
I don't think that that's the position. And on top
of that, you have to ask yourself, so like what
is new? Okay? So we had two congressional hearings, well three,
but the two that everybody kind of talks about, which
is the Grush hearing, and then the Alexonda with Galaday,

(28:13):
Gold and Shallenberger, and and we didn't we didn't get anything.
And we all we actually seen was like people like
Annapoline Luna come out, come out of the hearing and say,
I don't want to hear about these people's books. I
want to know. I want to go ahead and have
the evidence. I want to see from myself. Berlissen's saying
the same thing. So when you look at like future
hearings or that task force, I ask you, what's new?

(28:35):
Where's the new information? Where's it coming from why all
of a sudden are they going to be able to
get the answers now when they couldn't last year. Now
you could say which people are clinging to here? Okay,
that there's the skiff meeting that's coming up with Arrow, Melon,
Alexando and Grush and a lot of people are thinking
this is going to be some big moment. Also, obviously

(28:56):
David Grush got hired on as an advisory staffer for
or An I. S. Stafford, but he's an advisor for
for Burleson for Congressman Burlson. Okay, so he's maybe people
are maybe hoping they can kind of push a girl,
she'll push him in the right direction. I'm figuring out
where this stuff is. Okay, So you have all that
that that's that's there. But the kicker with this skiff, dude,

(29:16):
and this is this all relates to this task force, bro,
because this is where they're going to get this information. Okay.
The kicker with this is if you if you've seen
the clip of Danny Sheehan after the latest hearing, she
hands outside out the outside of Congress and he's talking
about how even if Alexander was in a skiff, there
is some information that he just cannot tell these people.

(29:38):
He still can't. So now I'm looking at it. Should
I be excited? Nick? About a skiff that already has
a bunch of a bunch of exceptions into it, already
a bunch of excuses pre loaded in. How can I
get excited about that? I mean, look, I don't know
that nothing's going to come from it. I'm not going
to tell you that it's one hundred percent. But am

(29:58):
I gonna, you know, run around tell the whole world
and say, hey, you know, we gotta get excited for this.
Come on, dude, I can't do that. I can't do
that either when we won't have to wait and see.
But I just don't see the change, Like what's new? Why?
Why should I believe this is the time?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
You know?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Exactly if we look at it from like two thy
and seventeen where the news New York Time article came
out to where we are now in terms of transparency
and disclosure, where the hell we got to? Really, it's
like it's like it's like a big up and big down,
big up, and like nothing really happens to it. You know, we've,
like you mentioned with Ross Colthard. He was saying that

(30:33):
the fact that something big is going to happen, you know,
it's just like, dude, stop saying that, because people are
catching on the fact that nothing's gonna blod you happen.
And it was funny when when Jake Barbara came forward
and you had the egg ufo, the footage that was
about to come out. Yeah and Onlie Rang I was
even on the live show the day before, was going, oh,
this is gonna be like a massive nothing Burger door buy,

(30:54):
and all the Rang rings me up because oh, mate,
US Nations are dropping something really big to what and
mate be ond it. I was like, mate, like this
is new station. But talking about here and the footage
that came forward, you know, it didn't Okay, it may
be some sort of footage, but it just didn't look that.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
You're talking about the night vision with the egg on
the ground with the hold thetalid doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that wasn't even that wasn't even Jake Barber had nothing
to even do with that footage. We don't even know
where that came from. That could have been pulled from
anywhere that I don't think. I still haven't heard anything
of where that could have been from, but the way
it was marketed in that episode. I even left that
episode thinking that that was from Jake I did. I

(31:32):
think a lot of people did. I mean, that's space.
There was a space right after we were all like
talking about could it be one hundred and fifty feet up?
Does it look like that? And you know, so, yeah,
it's it's a weird one. It's not it's not the
footage that you want. But look at the footage that's
coming off from Skywasher now. It's still not what you want.
It's still not really it's not not definitive, you know, honestly.
And I was laughing about this the other day when

(31:52):
I was thinking about the footage. I was like, I
was like, man, I don't want to say it's balloons.
I don't want to be the balloon guy. You guys
are making me the balloon guy, like you're gonna make
you're gonna turn me into Midwest. I gotta say it's
a balloon, it's a bird, Like, don't do that to me.
I mean, I had a sighting in twenty sixteen of
two orbs. So like, if anybody doesn't want to have
to be the balloon guy to me. But at the
exact same time, it's like you're not really you're not
giving me anything else for me to be able to

(32:14):
do anything different with it.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, yeah, this is it.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I know.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's on Hidden Show on Wednesday, we were talking about
if you go back to like the nineteen nineties, especially
like in a place in Mexico, there was amazing UFO footage.
A shame I haven't really got any. I've got compilations
somewhere I have enough time to show it today. But
if you have a look at Mexico UFO sightings in
the nineteen nineties, man, they were crazy stuff happening, like literally,

(32:39):
I mean these were like potato cameras, you know, like
sort of take cameras back in the day, back in
the nineties. So it wasn't that great, but still you
can tell there was something there. Now we're getting like
blips and blobs and all that. I mean, it just
really is just absolute crap. I mean, let's bring forward well,
and it leaves.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Them, it leaves them open for scrutiny, and it's it's deserved,
you know, it's deserved. They can't be mad about it.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
They can't be mad exactly. Let's let's just play a
little bit of this, Okay, show you. Yeah, this is
all about the jelly the jellyfish things to mate, mate,
trust me about it. It's balloons. I know it's balloons, right,
I don't know if it.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Is balloons, but it looks more like a balloon to
me than a jellyfish.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
But yeah, this is it. Yeah. So I'm going to
play this clip, guys. Okay, So this is one of
the classifications of the UFO. So there's like eight of
them in total, and this is one of them, called
the jellyfish. And I'm going to play my footage that
kind of looks like this back in two thousand and nine.
So let's do it.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
The class seven is the jellyfish. It's not the jellyfish
you've seen on TV.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
It's a different.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, sure, okay, pass really quick.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Okay. This was one of the points that I brought
up about this episode that I don't like. Okay, he says,
it's not the jellyfish you've seen on TV, and he's
running Corbell's footage. Hey, we don't even know that Corbell's
footage is a jellyfish, brother, Like, how can you even
do it and listen. Some people might look at me
and go, dude, that's really petty. Well here's why I

(34:14):
think it's not petty. These are the guys everyone's saying
are doing the real science. Now, these are the important guys. Okay,
let's we need to we need to use better wording
if we're gonna be taken serious like that. You can't
just be throwing around. This was a jellyfish. This isn't
a jellyfish, but you can continue. I just that part
stuck out to be so bad.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I was like, come on, you're right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Heat the tentacles hanging down about three to five meters
in size, the varying and depending on which one you're
looking at.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
You can see.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
These stills are taken from different jellyfish. You can see
this jellyfish, the tentacles look.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Very very long.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Sorry, on this one they look shorter compared to the head.
As you can see, the nodules on the tentacles light
up and again, this light appears to us to go
from head to tail and pulse and light up the
nodules as it goes. Also, sometimes it looks like like
an automaton or something with like a like an alien
movie where it's got like the tail kind of hanging
out like it's seeking something, and sometimes it looks like

(35:08):
it's a jellyfish in the sky.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, if you do a pasit right here too. The
other interesting thing about this is they showed a couple
of different still images of quote unquote other jellyfish that
they're getting right, and then they show us this video.
Clear clear those stills are not from this exact same video.
But they also claim that a lot of these different
classifications actually mix and they blend sometimes and they kind
of can't tell the difference between the mana or or

(35:32):
the jellyfish. So I'm starting to think to myself, well,
how do you know that the stills from the other
events you're saying are jellyfish? How do we know that's
it didn't morph again it's gonna morph? And how do
you how is that? How you how are you saying
that's a jellyfish? It's all over the place, bro, It's
all over the place. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, I think when when you're sort of new to
like skywatching, I think what a lot of people in
this program is I'm just assuming on that they're trying
to make comparisons to other things in the sky is like,
hold on, did you for instance, is I think this
is most probably a weather balloon and you're probably gonna say, oh, yeah,
you're just a skeptic. It's like, no, I'm sorry. You've
got something that's metallic in the in the sunlight, you

(36:08):
can see it, and you've got a string hanging hanging
underneath it, and me just to assume that, oh no,
that's a that's a jellyfish UFO is like, well, hold
on a minute. You know, if you actually far try
and find the data of where this object came from,
for instance, at least tried to attempt to contact the
people that set off weather balloons, for instance, to say, okay,
where did you send this? For instance, if it is

(36:28):
you know, where we can actually track this object, you know,
there's none of that. You're just assuming, Oh no, it
looks like a jellyfish UFO, so it's a jellyfish UFO.
It's like, hold on, you know, where where'd you get
your conclusions from? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's well, supposably there's more data and stuff, but the
reality of it is they're not releasing all of it.
So no, I mean, what do you what are you
going to do with that? And then you know, we
we've heard that. I mean I'd talked to a guy
that was on on one of the events with them,
and he's saying he has a sign of NDA. When
he gets there, we got a sign of NDA. He's like,
what are we doing here with that? I mean, this

(37:00):
supposed to be for the people. You know, do you
follow the UFOs and understanding what's going on in the
universe and what's interacting with us that's not owned by anybody. Man,
If you have, if you have true knowledge of what's
going on and where this stuff is, get your tech
out there. Let other people test it and bring the
truth to the people. Man, I don't see why why
we're trying to hold everything down unless unless we're trying to,
you know, be the only game in town. And then

(37:22):
then you might you might want to do that. But
besides that, I don't know why you would.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I mean, to bonus of you, I think they're doing
a Jeremy called Bell technique. He's got all this footage
and is picking his time to actually release it. So
I reckon skywatches. I mean, it's the only part two.
I reckon they'll have much more footish show. But I
didn't think it's going any better than this, To gonna
be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Well, well no, and there's there's a reason for that.
In my opinion though, My take on it is is
that they've they've we already heard from a millionaire. I
think he might have been a billionaire investor that they
went to and and he said, well, I almost invested
into him. They were very interesting, Jake and them. They
brought me footage that was blurry and stuff like that.
So if you're look, if you're starting a process like
this and you're pitching for money, we're talking millions of dollars, dude,

(38:03):
you're not going to go there without your best foot forward.
In my opinion, you're gonna bring your best your best
guns and say, look this, we're on the range, we
need money for this. This is what we got right,
you know what I'm saying same, it's why would you
hold back? That doesn't make any sense. So I think
this is one hundred percent is the best that they have? Yeah,
I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean Sime would tell Matt.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, moves we have seen these take direct flight paths.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I mean, I mean, for instance, how the how did
they know this?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Like literally, even yesterday, the first time we had two
information we've never seen that before. We chased down one
of those two and it deviated its flight path as
we approximated, and then it elevated directly straight up as
a directly vertical. So the Class seven is very hard
to image, and at distance it looks very similar ship

(38:54):
to Class six and the Class eight at distance. Yeah,
so what you're gonna see is it's kind of i'll
call it swimming in through this guy. There aren't a
lot of exotic colors. There is reflectivity, but that color
you see right there is very akin to the Class
six when it's not emitting high energy or whatever it's doing.

(39:15):
So when it's not vibrating, so we don't know what
that means. And you can kind of start to see.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now it's Rich say more dots now, ye, Rich says,
don't send me dots anymore. I don't want to see dots.
No more dots, no more blurry footage. Hey man, look
he's he's kind of right. I mean, what can you do?
I mean, this is not moving the needle, uh for
anybody you know?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Oh no, it's no, it's actually taking ten it's actually
taking ten steps back. And then I'm supposed to assume
that this is the best footage you can get. It's
like we hold on a minute. No, no, no, it's
ain't good.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Well, it's like oh yeah, yeah, no, no, oh no.
I was gonna simply say, like, you know, But that's
where the timeframe comes into play here, because when we
talk about, you know, is what's the potential for these guys?
And look, and I say this before I even say
anything else. Look, I still think that there's an even
bigger story behind with these guys. That's it's potentially that
they're part of a sy op that they're that this
is all connected even back through news Nation in Alizondo

(40:10):
and everybody. But if we're just talking about this, we're
just taking this at face value and discussing it. When
you look at the timeframe, they're talking about what they've
only got nick six seven more months to do better
than this. It's not a lot of time. Now, I
know that they're claiming that they're that they can pull
this stuff in with their dog whistle, their frequency machine
or what have you. Okay, one hundred percent of the

(40:32):
time they're getting hits. They're saying, they're bringing these around. Okay,
well how how but they've been supposed to be doing
this for months? How is this? How is this supposed
to jump all of a sudden get better inside of
six seven months? The timeframes that don't make any sense, bro,
they don't.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, yeah, I want to see the bloody thing land, Brother,
I don't want to see.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, that's the whole point. Yeah, that's the whole thing
that This is what I've said about them, and I
know you want to get to your footage here, but
that's what I think that they should be doing. I
think that at the end of the day, let's or
whatever they do with the money they're asking for. Okay,
let Galileo, let these guys. Let them deal with with
this other science side of it if they're going to
or whatever. Okay, but stick with your niche. Okay, don't.

(41:12):
Let's let's not forget Jesse Michaels had had Jake barbaron.
This was a big, big moment for him and bringing
everything alun They talked about bringing this craft to the ground. Okay,
if you can bring this thing to the ground, all right,
you can shoot this thing with a fucking iPhone. I
don't care. If you could get four feet away from
it wouldn't even matter. At that point. You don't need
all these cameras, you don't need all this radar data,

(41:33):
you don't need any of this. Stick with what you
can do best bring it to the ground. It's disclosure.
But but when I look at like their their level
system and their whole process of how they're they're doing
this investigation, this science and everything that they're doing, it's
all filler stuff that I just think that is a
waste of time and a waste of money. If you
can actually just bring the stuff to the ground, why
do all of this? Why wait a year, Why run

(41:56):
this this circle, try to get a TV deal whatever,
Why just bring it to the ground and end it.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Do you think when you say they we would say
it's a say up? But do you think they're being played?
I guess you could say it could say it's a
sye up.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I mean you could speculate it that side. I
mean I don't it's hard to like really nail that
down whether or not they're in a eight or whatever.
That's a whole another you'd have to have a lot
more evidence and prooved to kind of claim stuff like that.
But whether prior knowledge or not. But I'm just saying
that they're involved with all of these people. And when
you look and when you look all the way back,
that's what a lot of the last ten or so

(42:31):
years to me feels like. It feels like we've we've
been sy OpEd here to kind of move us away
from the actual technology. I mean, then this is a
whole other conversation we could have. I mean, it's a
long conversation to explain what I mean by that, But
I mean I guess in the long and a long
or a short sense of it, every time they get
close to technology that the discussion comes up, we always
move off into something that's not technology anymore. You know,

(42:53):
we're always moving over to, oh, now we have the
psionic thing for you guys to look at. You know, yeah,
look over here. It's like where not getting any answers?
You know? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah. I think, like I mentioned before the show started,
there's a lot of wu, a lot of conspiracy theory.
I mean, for instance, we're talking about alien spacecraft coming
down and now we're talking about meditation. You have to
be gay and left handed to actually somebody. Yeah, yeah, Well,
hold on a minute, it's like, where did this come from?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
You know?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
So I think a lot of people that are new
to this are good. This sounds a bit wacky to me.
This sounds a bit outlandish. And then you've got this
sort of stuff and it's like depends on the person,
Mattn't it really?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well, it's it's fair enough, Nick. How many years have
people been making these claims? Man? How many years? Look,
I'm sure I'm sure that they know. I'm sure there
are people, dude, that have been interested in this for
a couple of years, and they're okay with waiting around.
Sure they are. You know, I'm not anymore, bro. I
want to know what's up, and I'm not afraid to
go ahead and give some pushback where I feel like

(43:46):
it needs it. We don't want the topic to go
off the rails. There's no need for it, man, There's
no need to make to overextend claims. We already have
a ton of them, with eighty years of them, Nick,
how many more do we need? Like, it's point we
have to start cashing this stuff in if we're going
to figure out what's really going on. If we're not
then you know whatever, let's talk about Travis Walton. But yeah,

(44:07):
I mean, you know what I mean. Or we can
talk about Lazarre, or we can do whatever we want
with that again. But like I would rather go ahead
and start pinning stuff down and understand and finally stop
having a question, brother at some point, you know, And
that's that's where That's where I'm at. Man, I don't know.
I feel like you're in that position. I feel like
a lot of people are in that spot. I feel
like a lot of people are afraid to be called

(44:27):
haters or whatever for questioning these guys. I'm not worried
about it, man, This is I think I'm asking fair
questions and I think these are these are fair critiques.
I don't wish any bad on these dudes. I just
I don't agree with the way they're doing this, and
I don't agree with the claims that they're making for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Absolutely. I mean, for instance, if you look at the
people that like the top Dogs and new follow Gene,
the people that put the content out there, you can
find people back in the nineties in my old UFM
magazine books and for instance, they will show you all
the conferences happening for America and England. Do that so,
I mean, for instance, the UFO magazines I've got, that's
basically Twitter today, it's basically X is where I got

(45:03):
the information from about euthology. But if you have, as
I was reading through the pages I'm going through, for instance,
Linda mart Howe comes up, but it's like by her book,
you know, by her videotape, by her cassette tape. It's
just like and you started to notice it, like you're saying,
I wouldn't say it's we could say it's a grift
if you want to say on aspect, but you're you're
riding off the heels of uthology. And nothing's changed, Matt. Literally,

(45:26):
it's been regurgitated over we go for a cycle and
been saying it for so many years now. I've read
through the old the old books, and you know, I'm
always school person. I like to read the magazines. You know,
I've got magazines on euthology back in the nineteen fifties,
sixties and seventies. Nothing has changed. It's just people think
that this stuff is new, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
No, And it's a it's a cycle. I mean, you know,
we were talking about kind of like you know, looking
even back, let's back, let's go back further than twenty
fourteen doing i mean, look at look at Stephen Greer
in two thousand and one, you know, National Press Club.
Everybody was hyper disclosure. Brother, it was our coming. We
had all these whistleblowers that were going to come out.
We've seen that before. And then you can then you
can go to twenty thirteen the Citizen's Hearing on disclosure.

(46:05):
You had everybody there, dude, Grant, Cameron, Richard, Dolan, Aeron Mitchell.
Everybody was there, dude. It was testifying, okay, and then
you had everybody the big hope for disclosure, and then
it resets and then people kind of come back through.
That's another kind of tie back to what I'm talking
about where ethology it's dead like as far as like
new stuff, but it is in that teenager phase to
where when at the last hearing, Brother, when that hearing ended,

(46:27):
it opened up a lot of pathways again for euthology
to do what euthology does best, which is offer new
pathways and bring new people around or old people around.
Who did you see after a lot of this, A
lot of the recent wave is done. See Steven Geer
coming back around again, right, He's seen his opening, so
he's back around. He's back in the news. You got

(46:49):
Bob Lazar is now putting out another documentary project, Gravitar
that's about to come out. So Bob Blazar is back
in the picture. It's the same thing, brother. We get
hype for disclosure, we get let down, we start talking
about Bob Azar again. It just cycles every decade. It's
it's not only different.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, I nothing stuff has changed, honestly nothing. It's it's
like you said, is now's the time. I think we
we have more to complain about, you know, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, yeah, we can bitch some more.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
But yeah, in a way, I think people demand the answers.
We demand the answers that we're looking for. It's like
we'll hold on a minute, demands one thing, but you're
by kicking a screaming and chucking your toys at the
prem you ain't not going to get the answers you're
looking for. And going back to like the JFK files
and now we're reading through it. Yeah, there's some implanations
of like different countries involved with that, but the fact

(47:39):
that you're not going to get the solid answer who
shot JFK, who was involved you know the people involved
in it. Yeah, we know the CIA was involved with it.
But it's like define details what people really expect, and
you're not going to get that. You're just not going
to get that. And it's going to be the same
for eufology. It sucks, man, it really does, because.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
This is no It does.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Look, I've been talking about this too in space. Is like,
I don't I don't want to be negative, brother, I
bought I really don't, but like you don't leave me
much of a choice as far as like disclosure is concerned.
You know, they got this Age of Disclosure documentary that's
that's that was released off south By Southwest, and it's
the same old deal. It's like, you know, you got
thirty or thirty three or thirty four people that are

(48:18):
going to sit there and tell you that they know
one hundred percent and exists, but they won't prove it.
You know, they've got no way to prove it to you.
And that's how many documentaries have we seen they're this
way and you always get the typical nick, Well it's
not for us, you know, it's for it's for the
other people, which I think is like one of the
biggest lies ever told in this topic right now, Like
the it is, it's for everybody. Everybody's in the same boat.

(48:39):
Media is in the same boat, general public's in the
same boat. UFO heads are in the same boat. Everybody's
ready to go ahead and see what's going on. No
know what's up for real, Let's go and see the bodies.
Let's go out and see the craft, Let's see the math.
Let's go ahead and and and end this, convert this
this speculation, uh marathon we've had for eighty eighty years. Now, Okay,
let's go ahead and move it forward. Everybody's the same, right,

(49:02):
And I think that's what you when you've seen a
lot of those a lot of the reviews come out,
even for Age of the culture, and a lot weren't
very good. I'm more, Hey, it's the same kind of
thing again. They're telling us it's here, but they're not
telling us. Is not showing us anything. You know, it's
it's a nightmare. But it'll and people will leave, and
a lot a lot will and there will be people
that will come back, and there'll be people that will

(49:23):
stay gone and we'll get new blood. We'll get new
people that'll come around, but probably be the same old story. Man.
The government's not interested in telling us what's up. I
gave them a chance, I list, I gave all these guys, Nick,
you know as well as I do. I mean, you
watched a bunch of my show last year. Who gave
these guys more of a chance than I did.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Even though I didn't really trust them. Even though I didn't,
I still gave them every opportunity to prove me wrong.
I stayed neutral on it. I was like, you know what,
I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna try to try
to get it too ahead of myself on this, not
gonna let my bias on how I think that they're
not gonna tell us. Let's see, let's see it, because
this could be the last time that we get Congress
who actually look at this for real and take some

(50:03):
time because it's been so long fifty some years, Nick,
fifty some years since they've looked at this. So it's
it was an important time. But you know, it is vulnerable,
and we're seeing the vulnerability. People are passed Bro. Right now,
A lot of people are pissed. You know what's interesting
is I seen him, uh that you ever heard the
guy on Twitter Fetuccini split disclosure and heard him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(50:27):
he's He's Alexandro's really good buddy. I seen him just
the other day tweeting about, Hey, what's going on? It's
getting boring around here. What happened with you know, we're
not getting anything new? What's the deal? That's Alexando's buddy.
He should be rah rah ryeing that lose true and
lose bringing disclosure and all this stuff, and he's losing hope. Nick,

(50:47):
these guys are losing hope. Come on, bro, I mean
I tell everybody if you're if you're a little bit
down on the topic or you're not happy with it,
don't feel bad about that. You should probably be a
little bit you know, a little bit irritated, a little
bit rubbed the wrong way ship at least, you.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Know, yeah, yeah, I think I mean you, like I said,
you're always going to get the new people in upology
that come forward and are completely new to any sort
of subject, I mean uphology as a whole, and they're like, hey, guys,
check this out, and they think it's something new. It's like, well,
hold on, no, that we've we've the amount of videos
I've seen has been regurgitated that. Yeah, you know. That's

(51:23):
like videos are like decades old is and people think
that this is something new. It's like, well, let's just
stay let's step back a little bit. For instance, Hidi Bussan,
he he showed this balls of light that were that
was shown in Mexico. Right people were saying, now, this
is real. And I remember this footage going back in
two thousand and seven when I was working for the
disco company I'll showed my boss. I say, hey, what

(51:44):
do you think of this, you know, with the first
like flat screen phones, and he's like, I don't know
and all that, and people are and when I did
the live show, I said, look, guys, you know this
footage is old and a lot of footage you're seeing
is old. So things, like I said, it's a cycle.
Things just gets worked the way around. But with spaces match,
do you think people are more I mean, you listen
to people in X spaces, do you find that the

(52:07):
conversation is getting more heated? In that conversations?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I mean, you like to be really honest man like.
People will maybe get heated with each other about the
topic for just a moment in time. It's when something happens,
But most of the really of the real heat is
personal stuff back and forth, you know, loan and money
and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean it's not you know,
I mean I don't personally consider the the allegations and

(52:33):
a lot of the conversation about Alexando and like hate
group people and people getting docs and stuff like that.
I don't consider that stuff drama. I think it's it's
good what Red and Tupa have done. They've been kind
of champions of kind of bringing all that to the
light of what's possibly going on with Alexando. And you
could have them on it. They could probably talk to
you about that way better than I could. But like,
there are things that are like that. But overall, a

(52:56):
lot of X the last couple of months has just
been not a whole lot going going on. It's there's
not a whole lot of conversation you know what I've
been doing, dude, and someone that post them in kind
of getting a little bit of traction I've been getting,
you know, I get I sometimes get fifty eighty comments
and I think that's a pretty good little sample size
for UFO Twitter for kind of how people are feeling.
I've been gauging my tweets more towards trying to get

(53:19):
people to tell me exactly how they're feeling, you know,
where I've been tweeting, like whereas youuthology, what's it looks
like at the end of twenty twenty five, just to
see it. I've never seen it as negative as I
have right now, Nick, not in forever. I've never heard
so many people on there. We're never gonna know, They're
never going to tell us all Zondo's a liar. I've
heard that's. That's all over the place now, and it's

(53:40):
it's it's anybody who doesn't believe me on that. Just
try to put some tweets out that way, you know,
ask people how they're doing and really feel it, because
I don't see a whole lot of people doing that.
But when you do, it's it's staggeringly negative more than
it is positive. For sure.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Would you say the community is to more damage say
some people? Would you say, for instance, News Nation and
the people where we get our information from in terms
of UFOs, I mean his news Nations is a big
opponent now, isn't it. They're the ones that bring up
at least a UFO video every couple of days. I mean,
you can work on both ways, isn't it when you

(54:18):
look at it is. I was just thinking about the
community as a whole, really and what sort of damage
has been done.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
It depends on where, Like you said, where you getting
information from. If people listen to Luis Asondo, they're going
to get the wrong information.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
You know, the.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Lies behind that.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, I mean, at least, in my opinion, on a
fair amount of it. I mean at the very least.
I mean, look, a lot of the negativity that's come
around the idea of disclosure that really really started to
set in around time to time Lose book. The leaks
came out rightly one the time the leaks came out,

(54:55):
that was when he was talking about how he'd seen
orbits at his house and how you were supposedibly remote
viewing and torturing this this guy at Gwin Donamo Bay
and stuff like that. That was when people were kind
of like, wait, what is up with this guy? You know,
what do you doing? What you're the you're the nation's
Darth Vader. You're like wearing it as a badge of honor.
That's what I think most people kind of finally started

(55:15):
to go, well, OL's going with this little Asano guy.
And then a little bit after that, that's when the
Romania twenty twenty two photo came out and he's at
his at his book tour and he's saying, Hey, this
is the chandelier. The chandelier, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's that's when that started to really dip. And
that's when you started to see the negativity with him
kind of go down. And so there is I think

(55:36):
a lot of bad feelings or a lot of negativity.
It's just a lot based off him. Nick. He was
such a name, He's the face of this whole thing
for so long. Now you know, it's so so like,
this is the whole thing we've been talking about this
whole time, you know, really, what's been going on? How
does everything feel? There are many facets to it. There's
a lot you could go into bro the last the

(55:58):
last just the last year. I mean, there's stories within stories,
there's narratives within narratives. There's you know, it's too much
to all do here, but yeah, I mean it has
been mostly negative. That's that's what we're seeing that I
feel from the community. That's what I feel.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, it's everywhere, isn't It's rampant. And like I said,
when people are new to the community and they hear
this sort of stuff and they go, oh, no, you
sound very negative. You sound like a skeptic, it was like, no,
I don't want to sound like I'm too in my
own horn, But when you've been in this field, what
would you say, field another word for it, So I know,
Lee from.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I just say topic. You know, I've been looking at
the topic, That's what I say. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I mean once you look into the topic long enough
like we have, and you see the cracks, you see
the problems, and you're going, well, actually, no, this is
actually the outcome of what's actually happened. So good luck
to the people that go into neuphology with the new,
brand new eyes. But eventually, within five years you get
to understand, you know, it's just rehashing and regurgitating and

(56:54):
stories that really lead to nowhere. Like I said, it's
just claims. Trust me, bros. Sorry to say it, but that's.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
What Yeah, I mean a lot of it is too,
is like how closely you follow it. I mean, they're
like I said before, there's narratives within narratives, there's stories
within stories. There's there's you know, it's like how many
people don't even know that Grush was hanging out at
Esselin with with Jake Barber and Ross Cohart and stuff
like that, Like these are all these are all things
that could later on down the road really hurt Grush,
you know what I mean. And so it's like if

(57:20):
you yeah, if you're not paying attention all the time,
you're gonna miss that stuff. And you're also probably gonna
be like this guy's talking to like Alexander does know
what's going on. It's like, yeah, you might not have
heard all the stories, man, I mean, there's so much.
A lot of people's opinion is based off just time,
just time and how much they've been able to dig.
It's not like surface level like a sport, you know,
where people argue about a quarterback or a football player

(57:42):
and whether they're good or not. It's dude, there's you
have to get through the narratives because you have these
Alexando's pushing his own narrative and he's got such a
big voice. You have to find a way to kind
of dive down through that. And Twitter does a good
job at that. That does a really good job YouTube
it can depending on the it can. But then you
also have really big YouTube channels that have him on

(58:04):
and don't really ask very hard questions. They don't bring
up the chandelier, they don't say, hey, what happened with
this man?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
So it's harder for it's harder for the average UFO
person who's interested in this topic to really get a
grasp on what the hell is going on like behind
the scenes and what could be coming down the road.
For me, I don't mind getting in the weeds, but
I always try to remember you got to get thirty
thousand feet up and look out every once in a while.
You have to do that because if you can see

(58:30):
where they're coming, you can see where they're going, and
that'll give you a lot better idea of where you
should spend your time and what you're looking at and
what you should expect. That's why I take a look
at something like Skywatcher and I look at the one
year claim and I go TV show. That's why I
worry about that because that hurts their claim to now.
And I don't know if people are looking that far out.

(58:52):
Most people just look at the episode. What could they
what do they have now? And that's really it, and
I think that's a bad way to do it. You
got to really get up and think, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I think the only person I can think of that
really was on the money was rich Giordano from like
literally he was the first one I was really skeptical
on Lou because if you lose, if you look back
through Alien Addict, where we were on Lou was we
pretty much talking about Lou like pretty much every episode.
You know what's going to happen is it's so excited,
and now you can see the damage what's been done.

(59:21):
You know, the lies I've been portrayed, whether or not
he was part of the a tip or a or
saple than body the other. You know, you can see
the lies behind that. And now he's got caught out
so many times and I have to make his people
like green Street that had done the work and says no, actually,
let's put everything together. What he said, like he put
a list of like all the things like yeah, the
orange is going to happen, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just

(59:43):
like that's good work and it really shows the ugly
side of lou And now people are starting to go, well,
he's basically released this book really doesn't really prove anything.
He's a very good storyteller. And that is part of
the intelligence agency that is part of counter insurgenc is
it counter insurgents.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
And counterintelligence countergency. I can't remember the exact quote off
the top of my head. They was talking about he's
wearing the shirt and stuff like that. But no, like
that's a reason why, Like when you look at that
that list is really good that green Street puts out
there right where he goes all the way from twenty
twenty one forward of next year. Man, it's coming next year,
it's coming. Like, that's why you should take that same philosophy,

(01:00:22):
should learn a lesson from that and then apply that
to something like Skywatcher and say, wait a second, that's
that's what a lot of people I think they separate
that stuff too much. It's like, no, man, you gotta
you gotta copy copy that work, remember that work. Take
that lesson with you and apply it in other places.
And I think you can, especially with euthology, because like
we were talking about earlier, it does repeat so much.

(01:00:44):
It really helps to do that. But people don't nick.
A lot of people are here for the story, bro.
I think you know that a lot of people are
are here for the fun of it. They don't really
give a shit too much. Some people do. Some people
really want to understand what's going on. But I think
at the end of the day, they know if they
can turn on Skywatcher on History Channel instead of YouTube
or Twitter here in the next year or so, they're

(01:01:05):
gonna be happy. They're hoping that at Skinwalker Ranch and
then Skywatcher right after, that's what they're hoping for, because
at the end of the day, that's the fun of it.
People like me, I've had a sighting, Bro, I want
to know what the hell I seen. That's it at
this point, you know, I really want to know what's
going on. Was it human tech? Cool? I'd love to
have some of that, love to ride in that. But

(01:01:26):
if it's from somewhere else, I want to know that too.
So and I'm not sold either way yet. You can lean,
you can lean, but leaning doesn't really give you any
answer either. It's kind of like the idea of personal disclosure.
That one doesn't work for me. A lot of people.
I hear a lot of people say like, oh, you
just have personal disclosure. It's like, okay, well let's say
you have sighting, you have personal disclosure. Take my sighting

(01:01:48):
for instance. Okay, I can't tell you where that thing
came from. I can't tell you who's in it. I
can't tell you how it works, how it flies. What
disclosure do I have? What information do I have? It's
it's it's if you can't answer questions like that. In
my opinion, that's not like disclosure. That that that's giving us,

(01:02:10):
like you disclosure for me as answers man, you know,
discolsure is not giving you more questions, not really, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
So, I don't know, that's a weird one for me.
Maybe I'm raning in a little bit. No, No, this
is because how we feel, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's a bit like my dad, you know,
me and my dad, I mean even know my family,
Like my family is a conspiracy theorist and Mum's in
chat you know I'm talking about I'm talking about conspiracies
like pretty much every day with that bloody weird We're
very Alternative family. But me and my dad were always
into UFOs since I was a kid, like yeah, and
it's over the past couple of years where my dad's

(01:02:45):
started to go caught a load of bollocks, isn't there?
I mean in a way like we're not getting the
truth and it seems to be we've been pushed down
as a certain narrative for a certain direction. And when
I was on Alien Addicts, when you when we first
came on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I would say, yeah, but it's the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Going in the right direction. I wasn't talking about alien adots.
I was talking about euthology as a whole. And look
where it is now. And this was like one of
my main problems when I took over Alien Addicts. I
was going, right, Okay, uthology is not looking good at
the moment. What can I do to at least entertain
the people? But we need to stay current and something
up to date, and when I do that, it's always
something flipper negative and it's just like, listen, guys, look,

(01:03:25):
we're not going to get any troop about anything. Really.
You know, when you look at it, you know we can,
like I said, we can speculate as much as we want,
but we're not really going to get the answers. It's
fine to speculate, that's absolutely fine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Yeah, but I love it. I love it. Maybe maybe
maybe there's a billion people on the on the moon.
Maybe Jan was right. Hey, I love it, dude. I
love talking about that stuff, man, which I think people
sometimes think that, oh, if you're skeptical, you don't even
like you shouldn't even talk about those Come on, I
give me a break, man, Like I like the topic.
I'm going to talk about all sides of it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I mean now I spend more of my time when
I got clear sky days, like for instance, today, I
was looking up into the sky. But this is what
I take him back. Okay, you're gonna laugh at hi, Matt.
This was so this was taking on the twenty if
so that was the twentieth of August two thousand and nine,
and I was definitely stone and washing SpongeBob at that time.

(01:04:20):
But what I was seeing outside, I think I've seen this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yeah, you brought this up before once.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yeah, I brought us up. I brought us up before.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
That is the jellyfish, brother there, it is, so, this
is the jellyfish guys look similar to their video.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Dude, Wow, wow do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
You know what I mean? Yeah, you can see something turning,
its reflecting in the sunlight. It looks like a ball
of light. You can even see when you zoom out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
It's really close sneck. That's really really spot on. It's crazy, you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
See what I mean. So saying that, what I managed
to do is that I've got did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
You side by side that did you? Oh you did? Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
I was well prepared when I came onto the show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Perfect, yeah, perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
People people are gonna say, oh, you're just a debunker.
It's like, hold on, let's just compare to so I
you know, when I first put I put sky Wankers
in there, said skywatchers, because I was inside.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
It's good to change it, bro, it's good to change yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, because I was calling someone a wanker on
my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
I was like, yeah anyway. But yeah, So to the
left here you have my footage from two thousand and nine,
and then we have skywashers from assuming last year, so
it's pretty much up to date. So as you can see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
What aut jeez is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
For instance, they can get so much better footage now
these days. I mean, bear in mind, this is tape.
This is like mini cassette tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I was using, dude, that's it's crazy. Did you post
us on Twitter?

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
No, it was literally before it was an it was
an hour before the show. I was like, hold on
a minute, this kind of looks familiar, and that jellyfish
like really got to me. I was like, I've got
caught something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
It's great, this is great, dude. I can't believe in
post of this yet. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
But what if you notice with my one it starts
to change shape a little bit, but it's the same
with this one as well. It's so, yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Is it spinning? See, that's that's the whole thing. That's
that's their tik tac footage that they haven't at all,
This footage that looks like a spinning balloon. It just
looks that way to me, man, and I'd.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Love it to that, but you know, yeah, unfortunately, So, yeah,
that is my one I'd taken, and I'm pretty sature.
This is the weather balloon. I'm pretty sure I could
be wrong, but look when you've got to flipping string
and hanging underneath it there would be a device that
is attached to it, so it's very high up. Yes,
it's a potato camera. This is back in two thousand
and nine, which I wasn't. I was using tape back then. Still,

(01:06:56):
but even though my footage is even better than flipping skywashers,
I mean it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
I mean at the very least it's on the same
par I mean, that's two thousand and nine to twenty
twenty four. That's crazy. This is like really good perspective. Man.
If this was another thing that I kind of complained
about too, is that, you know, Jake in that episode
was talking about how, oh, we don't have any drones
out here. We got the helicopter that we're chasing it with,
and it's like, get the drones out there, and if

(01:07:21):
you can get it up there and you can get
it's closer and better foods than what you have. You
got to utilize everything that you can if you're going
to go this route, Like, why would you why would
you not have that? I know exactly. You know they're
they're bringing weapons on the range there there. It's like
the whole philosophy you're you're making sure that you're ruling
in weapons, but you're ruling out drones, which is why
the stuff that we need we're trying to work with here,

(01:07:42):
trying to get the answers here. Yeah, I don't know.
The mindset's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
It's so strange, mate, honestly. So this is another one.
It's taken in two thousand and nine as well. It's
kind of hard to work out what this thing is.
It could be a balloon. It's reflected in the like, yeah,
I know you're thinking the camera still you tried taking
a zooming camera with.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
You're good. I don't have any like this. Man. I
just stared at my side. I was like, it didn't
even consider it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah. So yeah, man, that's my last my skywatcher shot
called me skywatchers. I'm not gay or left handed. But oh,
by the way, he was laughing on that one. I
think it was d W or someone, but yeah, that's true.
They said you have to be gay left handed to
actually summon UFOs. I'm not either one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So yeah, I was. I was talking to us. I
was talking in a space earlier today to a guy
I think it is all things paranormal on Twitter. He's
got a really interesting breakdown, dude. I retweeted it out
and it's what he thinks the man array is from them,
and he's got like a breakdown where he thinks it's
it's a California condor. I mean those birds get huge

(01:08:55):
that they get like bigger than a person. And he
was talking about when you when you look at that
area with I think everyone's speculating that they were out
in Palmdale, out in California, And so what he talks
about is how when you look at the wingspan of
and I think a lot of these videos this SkyWatch
is putting out they were somewhere around like four or
five thousand feet up. I think that's what they were

(01:09:16):
talking about where they were. Well, those condors do those
will get up to like fifteen thousand feet and their
big birth Oh they can get way up there, dude. Yeah,
and they have this set. A really good point this
guy brings up, dude, is that when they full spread
their wings, they have this secondary layer of feathers. It's
extremely reflective to the sun. And so when you look
at that man array and you look at how reflective

(01:09:39):
it is and how it's moving, how it kind of
looks like it's almost flapping. He could be onto something, man,
he could be onto something. That's pretty interesting. And then
there was another I think some people have also speculated
that it was in Texas and he kind of goes over,
how well, then it could be a chick was it?
What do you say, some other big hawk that's out
there or whatever. But yeah, I don't know. It's it's
a pretty cool clip, dude. It's on It's probably one

(01:10:00):
of my one or two last tweets, and it's interesting
for sure. Dude. Yeah, yeah, there's people got me after
the bro. They're going after that footage. Man. You know
the UFO community is they tear everything apart when it
comes out. It very apart.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yeah, let's let's bring up Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
We're moving into like nearly hour and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
And yeah, this has been an awesome conversation. Bro. I
miss talking to you, dude, miss being this. This is
always a good time. Man. This is the best part
of being involved in the topic. To me, it's the
best part. Yeah, this is it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
When it comes to like you, I mean to bounce
off with someone, I mean me and Hitter. We're on
the same path as the same with you, but you're
more no offense head than if listening more of intelligent conversation.
I hope, no, no, no, honestly, this is it is
actually because you know so much about youuthology that the
up to date of euthology. And that's when I first

(01:10:55):
met you, Matt, when you were on I think you're
on Riches show or something you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Popped up and absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
The first time, the first time I heard you, I
was like, no, this guy really has got something. And
I reckon, if you would have kept going with your
YouTube channel, maybe would have got somewhere. But make UFO channels.
UFO channels is the same, isn't it. You get the
same views unless you're like somebody else that obviously getting
paid to get more views. But but you know, you're
a genuine person. And then when you come onto alien
at it, I was like, right now we can actually

(01:11:22):
talk about real get to the knitting grit of the conversation.
So that's so good to get. Honestly, yes, it's it's
hard to sort of do a show by yourself. I
mean you know what it's like, you know, trying to
keep people entertained, and you're going like where the fuck
is this conversation going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
No, Yeah, yeah, it gets it gets tough. I mean
it's it's a lot of fun, but it puts you
in positions and you're like, should I got I'm gonna
do a show this week. That's why, like the last
couple of weeks of my shows I was doing, I
was trying to like, you know, wait two weeks and
gather up enough to kind of really give a fun
time or a lot of information that I can push
out at one time, rather than you know, just trying
to feel like I was shortened people yecause I mean, look,

(01:11:59):
you're people giving you, like literally dud an hour and
a half two hours of their time, Like you gotta go.
You want to respect that time frame as much as
you can. You want to you know, all killer and
help filler the best you can.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. No. But you've been doing great over here, man, Seriously, seriously,
You're you're coming into your arm every episode. You're getting better, dude,
You're getting better and better and better. Takes time. It
takes time, and yeah, and your you'll just get better
than more that you do it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
The thing with me is either get a bit personal,
really I mean, I'm not I'm not a real social person.
And when I came onto Alien Addicts not expecting, know,
actually be the host of the show, it was a
really difficult thing for me to actually have a conversation
with people like when me only when me an Oli
word like together. I always say to Oli is like, man,
how we're going to keep the conversation going because I've
never been in that situation. So as time went on

(01:12:48):
in the past couple of years, I saw to get
to put my foot into it. And then now I'm
actually the host of Alien Addicts. I'm good man. This
is a bloody big step man. But but but sometimes
you've got to take just dive into it, like I
was saying to you, without the fact that I went
on Amy show and is normally I wouldn't do that before. No,
just fucking do it, you know, just getting it, have

(01:13:08):
the conversation. But once you get going, it's fine because
we all know eupology, you know, reach the same thing.
We've got the same mindset. So that just help. It
really does. But yeah, it's a pile thing, man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Everybody feels that way, though, Nick, everybody does, especially when
you're getting started, and even people down the line. I mean,
you know, dude, I was really nervous messaging and emailing
what the singer for the Classic Crime, this band that
I grew up listening to I had on my channel
and we talked about you know, AI and stuff like that,
because they do a lot of like AI generation with
their latest album and stuff like that. I was nerve wracking,

(01:13:40):
but I said, yeah, you know what, fuck it. You know,
we'll get him out of it. And the funny thing
is is, like it was at the start of the
interview was terrible because well not really the start of it,
but trying to get him in to the call on
it for through obs was bad. He kept in his
his Twitch account kept screwing up. We sat for forty
five minutes. He tried his ass off to try to

(01:14:02):
get everything to get in and waited. I was almost
a couple of times and it's gonna be like, hey man,
we can let it go go another day, you know.
But he hung in there. And my point is is
like even with the people that you're most nervous with
like that, when you get them in, you find that
they're actually really cool. They're just people bro like you.
They're nobody different. They're not exactly. They have goals and
stuff like that, and you might get some egos and

(01:14:23):
some people like that, but they're just like people like you, man.
Don't forget that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. This is it. I mean, but
we're all if we're all the same, I mean in
terms of like it depends on the person. And I
mean I haven't counted anybody that's a dick, but that way,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Had good interactions with people. I've had bad ones. I
just don't talk about it. I don't talk about it.
It's not really like a thing that I would talk about,
you know. It's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Yeah, yeah, you make a good point, no, Matt, Yeah,
but it's a learning curve.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
It's a big thing to do, you know, trying to
keep people entertained and you know that sort of aspect.
But sometimes you've got to dive into it, you know
what I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Mean, everything with time, Man, the more and the more
you do anything, you'll get better at it the more
and more.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yeah, sure, exactly exactly. So what I want to do
now is bring up this because you want to talk
about a really really good photograph, not photograph footage. Oh
my god, wish button door click mat?

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Which do you click?

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Is it there?

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
You go?

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Check this out. Now, I'm going to show you. I'm
going to show you this. You've probably seen it before,
but this is absolutely incredible stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Every flat earth right now is pointing out that it's
a fish islands. Oh it's okay. He's blinking in here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
So you can see this bank. Now I want to
concentrate on it. Okay, wait for it, wait for it.

(01:16:09):
I will check this out. This is only sky watchers
wish they could have captured. Unless this is fake, Okay,
it's gonna take it, sweet ass time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Okay, so it's over here, okay, whatever, it looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
It's tall and ass dude for sure. Yeah, let's bring
it back right now, watch this, check this out?

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Oh okay, okay, now now now I gotta now now
look how hold on? It's like now look at that
branch right there. You see that branch, branch got covered up. Man,
you're think of the same thing, all right, okay, right,
you are to bring up how the branch gets cut off? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Okay, all right, right, okay, so you can see, Yeah,
this is what I noticed, right, because we live in
with the day of AI. I'm going to show you
something that's crazy with AI fourture thought I'll bring up
this twenty twenty two was it? This was actually twenty
twenty This isn't yeah, March and twenty twenty two this
was released Oh not just actually I've got it here somewhere.

(01:17:38):
This was released four days ago, so wheen't actually came
out on this day. But nevertheless they're tricky, tricky oh
tricky mate, fucking now like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Watch care okay regardless, Yeah that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Yeah, then the light comes on automatically there, okay, right, okay,
which if.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
You're not if you're not very good of a fact,
you don't want to have to try to replicate that
light on those trees, so you just pop it right
there where it's really easy to pop that light down.
And what also says that you're not very good at
it is you you covered up the branch with the effect.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Yeah see that right? Okay, okay, right, okay, So Matt
and people in chat, what do you think this is
real or fake? Okay? What what's your women? I think
it's fake, Yeah, it's fake my opinion, you think it's fake. Okay, yeah,
I mean if we could have had some.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Fun with it while its stayed in the sky, but
the second that we touched to the ground and we
covered up the branch, ah, it's fake.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to be honest if we're going
on the whim that this is real. Okay, I got
something that I want to show you. Because for those
who know about my rumble channel still yeah, yeah, I'm
close to a thousand videos, is my friend. So I

(01:19:01):
even I upload every single day, so I film the
skies twenty four to seven. I've got the camera out there.
Now we'll literally fill in the skies day and night.
I tracked the trails because last episode I was talking
about chem trails and basically analyzing what they're do and
all that. But what I have noticed with this footage, Okay,
so this is a night time footage. Okay, this is yourus, right,

(01:19:25):
this is yours, this is all, this is me, this
is so, this is the moon here. But what I
want you to see. I want you to have a
look at the planes. Now there's more activity around about
six o'clock before it gets dark. Okay, Now I want
you to look at the planes and what effects it
actually give off. Because remember we've got the flashing beacon

(01:19:46):
right see there it gives you see there, it goes
right across you see the trail. But if you have
a look at the actual plane itself, hold on, there
you see is actually producing it looks like a tic.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Tac, doesn't it? Oh for sure? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yeah, yeah, basically a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Really big tic tac I think, like from that height,
but yeah, exactly, definitely bigger than like what we usually
think tiktacs are, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
But if you just just have a little look, I mean,
occasionally you get the plane fly by.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
I can see anything.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Here, should be one coming up. Now there we go.
See it looks just like what you see in that footage.
If we're going by the footage, if it was real
or not, This is it right see there. Yeah, So
it's given off the effects I think because it's a
slow shutter speed of things, because when things are taking

(01:20:45):
it because when things are taking at nightmat I mean,
especially with my camera. I've got an Insta three sixty
eight two Pro. It's like it's a forger quick camera.
It's not freaking cheap as much as you can yeah, exactly,
So when you've got an object to go across the camera,
it's going to give off a little distortion. So if
we are saying basically that the fact that the video

(01:21:09):
that we saw right here it's real, that could be
like a little dot. And because it was flashing in
the beginning, you could say that this was a drone
and as it's going across the camera. Because remember this
is dark, there is absolutely no light sauce at all

(01:21:32):
to light this up completely, this would be in complete darkness, right, Matt,
You know you think I'm just assuming.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Here and we're going to have a lot of reflection
because of the snow, right, so you're going to get
that that nighttime snow light.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So this is primarily dark, is absolutely
pitch dark. So the camera lights things up. So if
we say that this is a drone, it's flashing, you
can see it and it just stop, but then it
goes across the camera. If we say that this is real,
it will give off that sort of tic tacky effects.

(01:22:04):
See how long it is there, right, And it's the
same with the planes as well. That I've just showed
you is to do with the camera really, but honestly, Matt,
if you look at it right by the time, the
light literally just switches on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Bang. No, you see it switches on, like it goes
from you know, zero to one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But nevertheless, Matt, it's still impressive,
thoughn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I mean it's a cool video. Look, these videos are
always cool to look at, man, They always have you know,
the people Why why were people watching Third Phase of
Moon and Securit Team back in the day right over that, bro?
Because the videos were cool look at. I mean, there
was always ones you knew were fake, you know, but
everyone's every once in a while you get that is video.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
You're like, they shut the camera. We know, we know
you can go down a rabbit hole. Iss, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I don't know. Well, Lee thinks it's fake. He thinks
it's does actually exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not too
sure on that stuff, man, But you would have thought
they would have got some amazing amaze.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
That's why you gotta love Lead, dude, because he thinks science.
You gotta love it, dude. He's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
It's fun when you're when you're dealing with conspiracy. You know,
it's pretty bad, isn't it. But when you're dealing with
when you're dealing with a conspiracy podcast that go every
single day, I think eventually the wou takes hold. Like,
like I said to Oli, is like, like, how is
conspiracy talking, you know, taking hold of you like you coping? Well,

(01:23:31):
you know, is it actually taking over your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Is it? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
You have a sleepless nice But the thing is, it's
like we're on in Lear and Dave there. They've got
a good thing going. You know, they have joke around,
so they've got a little lighthearted a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Chemistry with those guys, bro. That's why A big reason
why the show is as good as it has meant
a lot of chemistry. Yeah, yeah, this is it. This
is it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
So unfortunately there's not a lot of dick talk on
this show. You know, try to keep a professional level,
level headed. So yeah, hey that's it. Guys they coming
back at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Are they going to jump on here with you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Yeah they will. I will, they will.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
We should do like a little reunion, bro, we should.
I'm down. It sounds fun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Yeah, maybe probably summertime. I I do speak to ol
Ad least like twice a week anyway, So we're always
in contact and but yeah, there are planning to come
on at some point. I think they're just quite busy.
They've got other projects going lined up because now they're Patreon,
they're sort of to expand their podcast. And yeah, yeah
it'd be interesting. But but guys, the people in chaps,

(01:24:30):
so I didn't shout everyone out and normally do that,
but but you know, the regulars. But yeah, I'll let
everyone know when the boys do come on and we
can have a little reunion show, be a reunion show
and it'll be uh be good times, will we add
by all? So yeah, so Matt, we're coming up to
an hour and a half. We promised we're being and
to go to long age. Man, We're sorry, we're gonna
We're gonna finish the show now, bro, but you can

(01:24:51):
always watch back anyway. So so Matt, no, thank you
so much for coming on to show mate. It's with
Alien and nick I I go with aliens, UFOs and
the paranormal and a bit of conspiracies in there. But
it's so good to actually talk about UFOs and show
where the people in chat where eupology is out. So
because me and you are on the same wavelength, when

(01:25:13):
it comes to eupology, we are we understand the process.
And and now I'm still not so glad. You said
before the show started that the fact that no eupology
is pretty much dead, like the conversation is going. I'm like,
oh my god, that's just so what. I so want
to hear that, you know me, But it's it's it's
just because now you've got the perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Big things are coming. Man, next week, you know, next
week we're gonna get the drop.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
UFO is so big a building around it map you
know it's right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Twenty twenty seven, it's coming. Yeah, no, man, anytime, bro.
I look like I said, I love coming on doing
having conversations like this, man, it's always fun. We are
on the same wave wavelength with a lot of it.
We love the topic. We believe there's a phenomenon, there's
something going on, but we're not We're not afraid to,
you know, be hard on it and make and make
sure that it kind of stays together and we get

(01:25:58):
some We get a chance to get some, man, I
think is the best way to put it. We make
sure it gets a chance to get some answers. You know, absolutely, yeah,
we do our best. But like I said, where it's
the new.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Beginning of the administration. I know people don't trust the government,
but I have to meet Trump has got a lot
of things done, but time will tell. We still got
another three and a half years to go. So I'm
not given my hopes up. Brother, Like you said, you know,
you had a lot of hopes with the congressional hearings,
but the way things are going with the Jeffrey Epstein
files and a JFK, it's not looking that great. So

(01:26:31):
don't get your hopes up. Guys, we all know that
we're all on the Saint Beija. We all that. So
so Matt, where can we find you?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Where can we find these days?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yeah? Twitter x whatever you call it, I still call
it Twitter. But on there it's at terrestrial material. You
can follow me on there at tweet a fair amount
every day.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I do also like tweet out some of the music
and stuff that I'm listening to, so you get a
little bit more than one dimension out of me if
you if you want to get a little bit more
than one dimension, which I think is always fun to
get a little bit extra in there. But yeah, I
saw tweet on there, and then I also I hold spaces.
I've started doing a lot more of them. I think
I maybe did two the last couple of weeks each week. So,
but those spaces are what's really important. I think about

(01:27:11):
mine because I know a lot of people will talk
about Twitter spaces and a lot of it's negative. Okay,
a lot of people think there's a lot of arguing
in this fight, and there are there are. But let
me tell you something, it depends on the host. When
I host spaces, it's open for everybody, skeptics, believers, debunkers.
I don't care who you are. If you have an
opinion on the topic, you're more than welcome to come
up and talk about whatever we're talking about, and I

(01:27:33):
encourage it. We're not here to down you or get
on you about what you believe. That's not what it's
all about. The more that we can talk about the
topic and have some fun with it, I think that
that fosters a better space for the community. That'll help.
That'll help. Yeah, But my spaces are definitely different. So
if you've had bad experiences in the past coming up
and speaking or listening or what have you, come give

(01:27:54):
mine a shot. I think you'll find it's a lot
better experience than some of the other ones. Not that
they're all bad, there's good ones, but I count myself
amongst some of the good ones when it comes to
making sure that we have a good conversation, open flow conversation.
Yeah yeah, yeah, So how many times do go a
week because it's got a scheduled date, not a scheduled date.
Spaces work different than YouTube, man, I mean you can schedule.

(01:28:18):
I have found that that doesn't really like make a difference,
It doesn't like help it anymore. The pop up spaces
that I usually do end up doing actually better anyway.
So yeah, it's just file the account. You'll see them
pop up and you can read the title and there's
always something fun.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Okay, that's cool man. Yes, I will pop on at
some point. It's that confidence issue.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
But it's we're all. That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I'm speak to millions of times, you know, Sagi pol
I was a good Yeah, I don't worry. We can
always catch us next time and catch up on the
live stream. But yeah, thanks for being there, rob So yeah, yeah,
I'll will catch you on a space as they call it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
It's weird there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Yeah, space yea space is yeah, yeah, cool cool cool.
So yeah, if you want to see any chance you're
gonna be doing interational materials YouTube channel again and you're
looking to take the up or we'll just leap with
the type for the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah, it's on. Look look the channels. I'll never abandon
the channel in that sense. Like I've been posting a
lot of what I've been doing right now too is
I've been messing with AI a lot, and so I've
been making like AI ufo songs and those have been
really fun to do. I got two more that I'm
working on right now, and then I'm going to release
like an EP if you will, for from AI song.

(01:29:31):
Like I'm writing all the lyrics, and AI obviously puts
the song, makes the song, but I write all the
lyrics and structure them myself, so it's all on there.
At that point, I upload those songs to YouTube. If
I get some pretty interesting clips, some cool clips, I'll
post them. I did a like a comparison to from
Dan Farrah and Tom DeLong recently. I think that's up

(01:29:52):
on my YouTube and it kind of you can listen
to them back to back talk about how they got
into youthology and like how how they came and we
spoke to people like Alexander and so you get you
get some fun clips like that. But yeah, I mean accent.
Twitter is really more of my my main bases right
now for all this. Yeah, absolutely, okay, Man's sweet sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
So yeah, if we want to go check out Matt,
go check out check them out on x and obviously
treshing materials, but that's to say bat on the back burner.
But if we go look at past episodes, go ahead
for that as well. So yeah, Matt, thank you so
much for joining me and I'll be in touch soon. Obviously,
had a blast, is but one of the most fun
times I've had in as I started aling Addicts. And
it's not going to go to you chat honestly, it's

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it's so difficult when you're on your own, you know,
but it's good to sort of work bounce off with
with you, Matt. So yeah, thank you so much. I'm
not going to drop you off because I think you're
part of Aila Addicts more than anything. So yeah, guys,
thanks to everyone in chat. You know who you are.
I'll give your shout out next episode pretty much. Flip

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and side but yeah, thank you so much, and I'll
be back next week with a new show on Friday.
Not too sure what's gonna be talking about, but normal
chemtrail talk because I did that episode and I don't
think Algorithm really appreciated that. So it's a slice. It's
UFO channel. I'm talking about Fifth Control. So yeah, So anyway,
always remember until next time they're watching you, watching us

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watching them. I'll see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Say goodbye, Matt, see you guys, say you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Take care,