5/15/25 - Steve Bannon

Steve Bannon joins The Anchormen

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Now it's time for the Anchormen Podcast with Matt Yates
and Dan Ball.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back to the program. I'm here with my good
friend and longtime mentor, Steve Bannon. And I got to
know Steve Bannon in the early days of Bannon's War Room,
a show that he still hosts now on Real America's Voice.
It's an incredible podcast, but more than that, it was
the launchpad for the defense of President Trump during the
first impeachment. I remember those days when in any given moment,

(00:39):
we had half of the Cabinet and members of his
own government, members of House leadership, working to install Mike
Pence as the President of the United States. And we
had this band of pirates led by Steve Bannon and
the brilliant Jason Miller and the ever productive Raheem Cassam,

(00:59):
and we would get together and strategize and we built
this army of patriots. And now more than a television host,
what Steve Bannon really is is the leader of a
group called the War Room Posse. And what's interesting about
this group of Americans is they range from Wall Street
executives to CEOs to people that are you know, cleaning

(01:24):
out dumpsters. In the middle of the night. It's every
walk of life of American and what Steve does every day,
for four hours a day is direct these people into action.
It's not an audience, it indeed is a posse. They
call lawmakers, they show up at rallies, they donate to candidates,
they buy books, and become the pollinators of key information

(01:49):
that the Maggia universe needs to thrive. And it's in
the leadership of that group, Steve, that I really want
to direct our conversation tonight. Good to be here, Yeah,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Love the podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
And by the way, people, I don't think even really
fully understand the extent to which in some of our
toughest moments in Congress, you were right there. I mean,
you weren't just a television host. You and I were
having eleven, twelve conversations a day, and so were a
bunch of my other colleagues who were trying to kind
of find their way around fighting this crazy system. But

(02:22):
you made this pitch to the warroom posse to fill
the billets at a Republican Executive Committees precinct strategy. All
that right, The posse is white, but not whiter than
your normal Republican Club meeting and it's boomer, but not
more boomer than your normal Republican Club meeting. And so

(02:44):
you had people that were a little more diverse, a
little younger, working class, and they started showing up at
these meetings. And now what has happened is they started
seeing who was coming around to run for county commissioner
or mayor or state representative. And they've started to for office. Yes,
And what I want to use some of our time
on today is for that POSSE member or that American

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that says, you know what, I've got the ability to
go and actually build a campaign. What is the Steve
Bannon c spot run plan? How does that that, you know,
integrate with my own experiences? And because here's what I've noticed,
while they have the vigor and the drive that you've
instilled in them, there is a tactical feature to running

(03:29):
for office that sometimes evades even your most loyal possums.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Remember most of these people have never really been engaged
in politics, and definitely not elective politics. So the first
thing is just to convince them that the way through
here is human agency. And that really started because we
went through phases of the show was the it was
a borm impeachment of which you were essential in. Then
we had pandemic in the room to twenty twenty, then

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the fight to stop the Big Steel, and then kind
of what the nuclear winter of jam Nuary February March
April of twenty twenty one, when it looked like the
world had abandoned President Trump. You know, even half the
MAGA movement was so crestfallen. How could Trump have won?
And one so big and you know, seventy four million
votes and being destroyed. That's when we really started roving
up the precinct strategy. And the first thing was just

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show up. If you show up at most of these precincts,
there's going to be empty billets, and so you can.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Get voted in.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Now the establishment, whether whether it's in Central Florida or
Central Arizona or North Carolina, are going to have a
huge fight, right, But the first thing you got to
do is get your chops at the precinct strategy by
just the because the Republican Party structure is actually a
grassroots structure. It's actually you know, it's got I think
two hundred and fifty thousand, two hundred and fifty thousand

(04:43):
open seats or seats that you can go all over
the country to do. And our first thing is just
get off the couch, go get engaged, and.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
People you know buying way love it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now a couple of years into this process, the resistance
is so strong, Like in Texas, at this we control
this parties of Texas, Georgia, UH, North Carolina, South Cana UH, Nevada, UH, Oregon, Nebraska, Colorado,
but we really don't. It's this big fight between the
grassroots and the and the businesses. So I tell people

(05:14):
go get engaged, work up the thing, get to the
state level, go to the state convention.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
UH.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
And then if you want to it's county super We
had so many people go to county supervisors.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
School boards.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
School school board is huge.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
That school boards came in for the that really came
in for the moms of America, moms so liberty. I
started noticing the school board, you know the terrible job
my dad was the school screaming and yelling.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
There a special place in heaven for anyone willing to
be able. There are people would come to see I'm
running for the school board. Yes, part of me would think.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Why but it was and even that's less controversial is
today with the libraries and what they're teaching the kids.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So that was a huge one.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
And of course these are gone back and forth already,
the first wave of the Maha mother or the Mother's Gauge,
we've already we've won school boards and had him flip
back as liberals have got engaged.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
So it's constant war.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Here's what we know is that for the hoplights, for
the for the grund Dudes, for the warm Posse, it
is a great training ground.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
And what it does is also expands you.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
You you know, our audience you know is a little older, right,
but no older than the Republican Party.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
But here's the thing. You talk to.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
People and their lives get narrower and narrow as they
go on. Once they join one of these things, it
opens up. They meet new friends, they get new relationships,
is a new sense of purpose and so by and large.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
People are very happy about now.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
It is an absolute grind and that's why like today
we had Steve stern On, they had like two hundred
guests on. Half the show was Tina Peters, who's imprisoned
out in Colorado. The other half was about election integrity,
a bunch of things coming up in primaries that you
got to get on top of.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
We had when people make that decision to run. Yeah, like,
what's what's the Steve Bannon checklist that you say, write down?
Do these things to prepare yourself for candidacy.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, first, first, I say that. First, I say, Hey,
everything that you've ever done, they're going to throw up
against you.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
So you got to have courages to work through that.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I honestly think that we're so much more resilient to that.
These Maybe just I am, but I think as a society,
Facebook and the fact that a lot of people have
had every stupid Halloween costume posted on Facebook, where we
don't have the pearl clutch.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
But you see the fights.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
You know, Trump came down ten years ago this June,
right ten years ago. If you look at and I
keep saying this, ten years is the preamble to what
is in front of us in the Trump movement right
over these particularly next hundred days, couple our days.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Trump, that's a moderate in our movement, Oh, very much
a moderate.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
He's not close because he's a he's a he's a
he's got a good heart, he's trying.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
He tries to accommodate people.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
He's a deal maker.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
He's a deal maker, and he comes from the.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Hospitality industry, princely, that's where his roots were. That's what
he understood. Media in hospitality mask me to know that.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
When you're around him, and you see the way Trump
is so attentive to everyone's comfort, Yes, so attentive, laser
folks kissed. It's why he doesn't like people to even
consume alcohol around him, because he wants you at your
sharpest so that when he engages with you that it's
going to be mutually productive and beneficial and joyful.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
What I tell people is know yourself, prepare for combat.
You'll obviously learn the issues. You will win if you
don't quit. That's the key thing. You will win if
you don't quit. And we've got.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
No I know a lot of people who like run
every single time for sheriff.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
And no, no, no, I'm not saying I'm not saying about that.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'm saying at the precinct trade, which is our entry level,
right and once you get to that, and I actually recommend.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
People who become the pricing people, they're not just moving
up in the Republican Party.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I know they're going. They're going. They're going to town councils. Yes,
as soon as they get them.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
They're paying attention. Yes, and they're like, look, I just
saw this. This just total county super rolled in for
state representative. I don't want to vote for that person.
I have better ideas than they do. And they're running,
and I think a lot of them would say to me,
could I just get ten minutes with Steve Bannon? And
I want to give everyone that right now. When you

(09:04):
say you know all right, no yourself, no, they're going
to throw everything at you, Like, what do you tell
people about how to resource a campaign? Because it's it's
an uncomfortable discussion.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, first off, you're not gonna probably have a big donor.
I say, just go out small, put your.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Things to do. You got POSSE members who are self unders.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Oh yeah, no, no, no you do. But I'm saying
the average person, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
What, that's the first question I ask, The first question
I ask anyone. It's deeply crass. How much of your
own money are you going to put into your campaign? Well?

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I do that at a certain level, like for congress
or state level, state house, but I'm saying for the
entry for the precinct.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Or state, I mean state Senate racing like Florida cost
five million bucks.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yea, yeah, yeah, I just a guy's running for what's
the run for Congress in Connecticut just came two days ago.
First question I asked him stop, I said, how big
a check you've prepared to write to get off?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
And he gave me a number. I said, I don't
think that's going to be enough. I think you're going
to have.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
To be You're gonna have to think this through and
see if it's you know, you have to.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Build a finance travelgy and it's not one size fits all.
But what I tried to do was open up every vector.
You know, there might have been four or five big
donors that cared about who the state representative was in destined.
So man, if you could get one or two of them,
fill out that vector, even if it's small at the beginning.
Get your small dollar donor base the people that I
call it the Christmas card list, you know, and get

(10:19):
that work out.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's actually the smart.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I think that's the smart because it also breaks the ice,
which is the hardest of people actually asking for money
to actually do this right. People need that self confidence,
and I think doing that small donor is where they
start to break the ice of actually asking their friends
is like an angel round friends and family around a
venture capital.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Right, you got to make the ask, you.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Know what I'm saying, Palas every single time a member
of Congress meets a new person, the first thing that
comes to their mind is can this person become a
donor to my campaign? And what is the maximum amount
of money I can extract out of them?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
But that's the way the system's done it, though, because
it takes so much money, You're you're extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I think you're the only person in the house that.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
You're taking it on Republicans that didn't take any pag
money or lobbyist money or lobbyist money.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
And how tough was that? To what lessons did you
learn in that?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I never ever felt the pinch of it. I felt relieved.
I remember when I made the announcement and then just
saying to myself, win or lose. I never have to
go to one of these like you know eight am
breakfast fundraisers where the Southeast Regional pipe distributors wearing a
you know name tag and giving me five hundred dollars

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and asked me to sign on to some store.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
When you got to the House, to get to your committees,
didn't they give you a number like you're on Armed Services, right,
that's the seventy seventy five thousand for the committee.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
They gave me ten days to turn it ten days,
which is and.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
You'd never raised for pat You've never gone to those
folks before now.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
But what I knew was more people might be willing
to come up with the seventy five g's than there
were slots. So I paid double. I got a check
for one hundred and fifty and brought it And that's
how I got on the Judiciary Committee. They looked at
me and said, boy, you're a real comer.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I'll bet you Still nine five percent of the audience
doesn't understand that. Then, once you get up here, regardless
of if you've been Matt Gates and saying I don't
want corporate money, I don't want lobbyist money, once you
get into the system, the system demands that you pay
something just for standard.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Otherwise you're going.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
To be on the the the Agriculture Committee or some
committee that does not even tie to your it's tied.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
To your district.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, what you have to pay to get on a
committee is directly tied to what what the algorithm says
you can extract from the lobby core that services that commitmmittee. Right,
and the people who traditionally pick who goes on the
committee are the people who lobby that committee. At freshman
orientation when they told when I said I'm really interested

(12:44):
in arm services, they said, go sit at table eleven
and it was like Lockheed Martin north of Grumman, the
Wealth three and they're they're sitting there and they're they're
sizing you up, saying, if we give this weighing in
a measure on the committee, is he going to play ball?
Is this somebody who we're going to be able.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
To And you said that because your district is Pensacola.
It's one of the most significant naval bases in the world.
I think there's air Force assets down there, but the
way they judge is how much money. And they thought
you were coming very early on.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, But do you think that, like for new candidates
getting back to that, do you think that you have
to post some realism there because what I've seen I've
seen some posse members who they say, you know what,
I have fifty thousand dollars that I can put into
this race, and I have some friends who might be
able to raise me another fifty thousand. So I'm going
to go run for Congress when the reality is that

(13:34):
is just not table stakes and you may have the
ability to do the job, but you can only do
the job that you will get elected today. Yes, where
so if you took that one hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And put it in a state delegate or a super
city hall, yeah, and then and then building.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's our recommendation.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, So how do you how do you have that
conversation with people? What are the benchmarks? You said?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, first off, you know, we have a big screening element,
so we have people that do this, but when they
come it's you know, how realistic this is going to
be several million dollars to get a house seat. Are
you known in the community. Do you have a track record,
what's your message? How good are you at actually selling yourselves?
You know, do you have a reels? You ever done
really tough interviews? So you've been out there in the hustings.

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Do you understand this is every day of your life?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
You're going to have to be.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
You're looking for driving commitment, driving commitments also and realistic
goes so many But I think it's not as bad
today as it used to be. The worst I saw
it was around the Tea Party effort in twenty ten
with a big and that time around there, when the
Tea Party first started, you had people coming in want
to run for Senate, want to run.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
For governor, particularly Congress.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I think it's a I don't think you've got those
because I think one of the things is media. People
watch the shows. They're more tune what's going on. They
see what a grind it is. It's not as bad
as back then. Back then you had people showing up,
Hey I've got fifteen thousand dollars, but it was a
lot of money for somebody.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I want to run for the house.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I can upset this guy in a D plus for district, etcetera.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
You have a responsibility with this posse to direct them
the winning to.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
The well, to make sure that they make their own
decision and think this thing through right, that they're just
not running out there.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Here's the other thing that I think the consultant class
gets totally wrong. They all talk about building your bio
as a candidate, like have you been the president of
the Rotary Club? Were you on the Little League board?
I don't think bio matters nearly what it used to be.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I think even Trump, yes, I agree that that's why governors,
you know, in the old days, particularly in the democratic
probaty run things.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I think it's a new thing with media. But you've
got to know what.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
The issues are and how you play into these different
interest groups.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Are you known in those groups? Are your leader in
those groups?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Are you showing up at like school boards that people
know who you are? So more importantly than having the
checkbox of I've done Little League, I've done the PTA
all that.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
What have you actually accomplished?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
And if people know you and can you break through
the kind of the white noise of media?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Do you have a personality?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Is that because people want to see authenticity, they want
to see fighting spirit, they want to see stick to
stick to it, to this, they don't want to vote
for phonies anymore.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
That's much more important.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think when I first ran in twenty ten, you
would have never thought to ask somebody how many Facebook
followers or Twitter followers.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Do you have?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Email? Was just starting to be a function of real
political force after Obama. Does that stuff matter?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
And I think, I think it's to get a social
media presence, to be interconnected people, to know how to
be a force multiplier. One of things we do is
teach people these academies how to be forced multipliers and
push out content, push out your own content, build your brand.
I think it's absolutely vitally important. In fact, I remember
when I took her to the turn campaigner came to CEO.

(16:42):
You know, we're in a dead sprint to get this
thing finished.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
And Florida.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
We had to get some gap in Florida and stop
spending so much time down there because we're trying to
pierce the blue wall. So Ohio and Florida my two.
I said, with polling, we've got to see if we've
got a gap going here. And every time we would
go somewhere towards even so western part of the state,
you would show up in the tarmac and Kaylee Mcananey
would show up on the tarmac at the rallies.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I said, this guy.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Is dedicated, so it's a I think that paid off
well for you.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I missed the rallies. It was like a family reunion.
It was an emotional experience. There was so much joy.
I think all these left wing haters should like have
to go to a Trump rally because what they've transformed,
they'll feel better about themselves. They'll be happier. Yes, And they.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Talk about the anger and the media and everything like that.
There's no anger.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
This is working class joy for a guy up there
that's stepping up and trying to put him in the room.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Can JD put it together this way?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, Trump's running in twenty eight, so we're gonna have
another run.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
We're gonna have another shot at We're gonna have another
shot at the rallies.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
They were different in twenty sixteen, twenty and twenty twenty year.
They've just had a different flavor.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Different flavor in twenty and twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
In twenty four actually, I think they were not just bigger,
but they were also a little more intense because people
really yeah a big time and was saying even the
war and posse, we were getting, you know, more of
a black audience.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
A lot of Hispanics, particularly in South Texas. Well.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
I think it's just that it's gendered. Like I have
a theory that We've broken down our politics over race
for most of your in my life. And now something
very different happened where a bunch of working class black
and Hispanic men showed up and said, whoa, you're telling
me the third grade teacher gets to decide the gender
of my kid. Yeah, you're telling me that that a

(18:31):
bunch of my friends and people I grew up have
to go fight in some war in Ukraine or the
Middle East. And they they it was the machismo of Trump.
It was the policy wins, and also.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
The hectoring of the credential class, and particularly the female
credential class of the left. The MSNBC crew hectoring these
guys every day.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And I took a lot of crap when I wanted
to television and said, we're going to lose some Karens,
but for every Karen we lose, we're gonna we're gonna
find a Jamal. And that has.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Actually I noticed that the only thing I put out
Danbury Prison was on the twenty sixth, I think in September,
I said victories at hand. My teaching up there at
Danbury and living in.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
One of the cell blocks.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Uh, it was obvious black and Hispanic men hate the
Democrat Party, uh and are not going to vote for
Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
So I'm not saying they're going to vote for Trump,
although some were leaning that way.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Am I going to vote for Kevin Newsomer, Pete Buddha Jedge.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
No, not gonna happen. I think if we deliver for
that crowd, we've got to.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
If we can deliver from man, what Democrat candidate do
you think could assemble that coalition back for the Democrats
that you're most of working class?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
They have No I've got.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
One that Robert Robert Reich said the other day there's
no economic populace.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
But I'm I'm not a sad Stephen A.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Smith scare you.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I'm the one that's been promoting his candidacy and I
one in those podcasts and he's.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Going to come on mine. I think he is somebody
they need in that Democrat primary.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
He's a he's a five tool player, and I think
he's very serious about entering.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
This and Steve it I think, well, they don't have
anybody in elected office now that could assemble the coalition
that they need.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
But they do have these governs so you got two brackets.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Got the governor's bracket of Wes Moore, Brosher, Shapiro Whitmer.
That okay, and then you have what I call right
now the celebrity and all other that's Ram Emmanuel Pete
Boudhaj Edge. It's gonna be Polis right because he's gonna
run it.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Give me that bracket. Newsom, you're gonna have Stephen A. Smith.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think, like I said, Mark Cuban, you're gonna have
a couple other people Aoc.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm sure jumping. There no doubt. She's got no downside
to do it.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That person run again.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Bernie is dying the run. The problem is he's eighty three.
And I followed very closely all the populous rallies. This
is why Wright wrote the piece. There's no economic part
of it. If you go in and look at these rallies,
and by the way, the people of their hunger, they're
drawing massive crowds at one o'clock on a beautiful Saturday.
You're drawing thirty five thousand people in downtown LA. People

(20:57):
are on the left, are thirsty for their totally and
they don't stick the landing. They don't never talk about
economic popularism. They're talking about Green New Deal.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's all the you know, all the ads, all the
oligarchies except the ones in the Ukraine they were willing
to fund.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
And the ones they created, the Silicon Valley, apartheid state oligarchs.
All those five big olacarks are on progressive Democrats, right.
I understand now they're hanging out in mar Lago and
they're seeing the light. But they were created by the
they were created by Obama and the progressive in the
progressive movement and the Biden machine. Remember they had Lena
Khan and never unleashed her. She she tightened up the

(21:30):
FTC lawsuit against Facebook that Zuckerberg went into the Oval
office five times and begged Persident Trump not to pull
the trigger on Andrew Ferguson's got him in court right now.
So no, we are the anti oligarch party. You see
that in federal court. We got the you know, the
neo Brandisians in the Justice Department, biggest anti trust on
the Gael Slader.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
You got Andrew Ferguson FTC, you got the FCC.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Jim Jordan tried to break Facebook, got to him and
they tried to break it.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Try to get rid of the FTC.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Two weeks ago in the one agency, Mike Davis came on,
we got the article three in the warm posse bombarded
these guys here what these guys call about twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
That was lonely for me on the Judiciary Committee defending
Lena Khan in the FTC. Because I love Jim George,
but he was he was never on the same page
on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I mean, he's a big tech guy.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's he's been one of the torturers of Mike Davis
in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
So the torture goes both ways with Mike Davis.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, Mike Davis, you mentioned a.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Very prison Yeah. Uh, you know, I did everything I
could to see that you didn't go to prison. I
thought that was a terrible injustice. Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
And Matt actually tried to come and see me. I
just said, hey, you should see when Matt gave.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Wasn't very pleasant because no, no, no, no, it's threatening the
head of the Bureau of Prisons that they better let
me go see you. And then they were saying that
you were refusing to see us. And then I was
saying to the head of the Bureau of Prisons, we
outranked these bands.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Exactly they put you put Apparently we didn't you put
shock through the whole system.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I always envisioned you in prison, taking like twenty minutes
to be some sort of mafia so style cell block leader,
like people would be bringing you tribute and like wanting
to learn from you.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
You don't do that because there are there are real
guys that do that. What you have to do, and
this is my thing to George Santas, you got to
stop whining. You just got to walk in there. You
have to know yourself and you have to be totally
completely focused every second of the day because these places
are incredibly violent. My cell block was eighty four guys,
eighty four men. You know, a part of them are

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child you know, sex offenders, A part of the inmates
like myself, and part are convicts.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Right, people have either.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Been in medium security work then would I mean really
hardened hardened people. And you just got to be focused
all day long. And the reason you got to be
focused probably focused on what you're focused safety focus, focused
on just the present, what is actually going on, what
are you doing, what's the next evolution, what are you
doing that day?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
What are you doing for exercise? What are you going
to do?

Speaker 1 (23:58):
And just a situationation awareness wherever you move into prison
because things are changing.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
And here's why.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Although that sounds like a good idea outside of prison
as well, it is.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
But it's tough to keep that focus. I was not
as focused when I was in. I was focused and
Shay I lost thirty pounds. I haven't eaten meat, red meat.
I just the first steak I had was two nights
ago from the first day I show up in Danburg.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Because the food's like animal slob. But you have to.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
The reason it's so dangerous is the FEDS have federalized
these drug crimes under RICO charges, So it's all these
conspiracies to sell drugs. These kids are twenty five years old,
Hispanic and black. Principally, they are in prison for fifteen,
twenty and twenty five years in a small place like Danbury.

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So in Danburry, which is one hundred years old, has
eight hundred of accommodation. Of eight hundred, I think we
had twelve hundred a one time there. Because of so
many foreign nationals and child molesters, it's so overcrowded.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
These young men get there.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
They have twenty years of their life are going to
be spent in the confines of Danbury Prison.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's hard.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
It was hard for me for four months, for twenty
five years. When you're twenty five years old. It could
break a person. And what they do is they start
doing this drug K two, that K two can get
into the prisons, and once that happens, it's they're violent, uncontrollable,
and that can happen at anyhow. They take K two,
they get K two, they I think they smoke it. It
comes in on paper, so one that can come in

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on paper and legal documents on books. People say send
them books, and they got it on there. In prison,
you can get anything you want. They get phones, they
get drugs in.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
There are the guards, the ones getting into them.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I would say that a third comes in from drones, right,
A third is crazy. It's unbelievable. They've had we had
a drone. They had a drone thing come in on
the beginning of Labor Day weekend. They drop phones and
drugs down in the yard. They locked the yard down.
Then they locked us all down for Labor Day weekend.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
If we would have known this, we could have coordinated
a posse drone attack on prison like dropping the constitution.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Problems you get locked up. I mean they have, they have,
they have a thing for that. But no, it's uh,
it's this is why I've tried to get involved with
Jared and Peter on On on prison reform. The article,
the art the First Step Act was absolutely brilliant of
what Jared and you and these guys worked on to
get through.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
It was not been implemented.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
So your wing of the kind of Breitbart uh side
of the party was very critical of us as we
were doing.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
I was critical until the end I started.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I came on board towards the end when I saw
the politics of it and it came to me about
with the politics are dealing with friends of mine like
Jeff Quttin. It's it is the politically the most brilliant
thing I've ever seen. It is a way to really
get because the federal prison system is set up to
break families and these people I'm tell of the black
and Hispanic men in those prisons don't support the Democratic Party.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I think the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Tom Cotton counter argument would be, you can't, you can't
let these people out into our communities. They become even
more expensive wards of the state. One way or the other,
they're better behind bars.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
No, I think the recision rates on guys coming out
of first step is.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Lower it and this has got to be first step
is not the final step. Like the argument for prison
reform ultimately has to be a data driven argument about
reducing the number of victims, because eventually everybody gets out, Yes,
very few people don't ever get out.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
And by the way, the other thing.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Has to be is the sex offenders. You got to
you got to figure out that they have. The sex
offenders are in there also fifty years, fifteen, twenty, twenty
five years, and they're sitting in these prisons. They've never
had a traffic ticket except what they do, which is
obviously I think a disease. It's not a medical facility,
it's a prison. And in that prison, like I said,
you have inmates and then you have convicts, so you

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do have predators in there. This is why Versantos my
first recommended him. He's going on TV and crying on
these things. Dude, you just got a man up. Whatever
it was, you got found guilty, you got sentenced for this,
You're gonna go. You shouldn't You should assume President Trump's
not gonna pardon your commute to sentence. You gotta, you gotta,
you got to toughen up because it's a very dangerous place.

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You don't want to look like you're going in there
and you're and you're and you're open to these type
of emotional swings.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
You gotta be very hard in it.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So but what you guys did in a first step
is it's quite frankly brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
And now we're trying to implement on this.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
But it's actually one of the reasons I'm most disappointed
that I didn't get the chance to be Attorney General
because I have a real passion for prison reform. I
chaired the Criminal Justice Committee in my state legislature and
did everything I could to see that that time was
used effectively. It was like, to me, it's like a
crime against humanity that you would have that much humanity
and not find as much useful purpose for it as possible,

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even for the folks that aren't ever getting out. And
we have so much to do on that front.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
And I hope it took us a heart by the
way it took and I Jarrett and Peter Navarro just
to find the Bureau of Prison. I mean, it was
so tough to find people, even they're qualified. We finally
got I think Will Marshall from from West Virginia, Rick Stover,
who is the warden at Danbury.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
But left a couple of days for our left.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
But every guy when I would ask people who you thought,
they said, this guy is fantastic. He's now I think
the deputy. He got a guy named Josh Smith who's
a former felon who's now a programming guy. So we're
starting to do that and started beginning to him.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I interviewed all these guys, so in a way.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
You ultimately did become the prison ward boss because now
now instead of you being being a guest of the state,
you're the one.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
No, it's really Navarro and Jared.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I got to tell you the impression that happened from
his dad, right, and what his dad was, Ambassador France,
was his dad went through really And I got to
tell you guys were onto something way before we first
of all the Republican Party of your conservatives. At first
I dismissed the thing, what are we doing this for?
Later on towards the end, we jumped in the back
of it to help push it over. You guys done

(29:55):
so much work. But it's absolutely First of all, it's
the right thing to do. Number two, it's great politics.
Now what you're going to find out And Navar is
working on this right now. It has barely been implemented.
Oh yeah, it's barely been implemented. At first, I thought
it was because it was Trump. Part of it's that,
but the other part is just the systems.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
We never really had the talent and the Bureau of
for exist that. That's that's what I wanted to pour
into really really getting people excited about those jobs.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
They're tough to fill. They are tough to tell why
they're tough filled.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
The reformers say, the system so ossified, right, you got unions,
you got.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
As far as people work at the private prisons. So
you have to convince people to come out of the
private sector and and to come and do this. Uh
and and it we got we can do the best.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
We got to work on some prison reform here. There's
a lot to do and a lot to do.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I know President Trump is is is very serious about this.
I think it'll be a major thing and it's politically
it's so smart. These people feel the Democratic Party has abandoned,
which it has. It has abandoned the working class African Americans
and Hispanics. That's our greatest opportunity here for this realignment.

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the Congress and how they're kind of going about their business.
And like you've always taught me and the Bandonites, you

(32:05):
find territory, you seize territory, You occupy it.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Trying to seize institutions.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, you utilize it for the benefits.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
One of the problems.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Let me be blunt, because you're too you're too self effacing.
And I would love and i'd love the fact you
going to your mentor, but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
You are an extraordinary You and I have probably spent
on the on the phone, like we've been in a
tough fight a lot.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
We've been in some tough fights.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Look, you know this, after you get elected, the purpose
is to get re elected, right, to get re elected.
There's not a lot of profiles and courage up here.
There's not a lot of people want to seize those grounds.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
There's a handful.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
There's like there's like two dozen.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, and right now, you know you had the you
had the hard eight under you that changed history with
the Speaker. But even guys like today, like the Eli
Cranes and this, they're looking for leadership. And some of
our greatest some of our greatest people are punching out.
Andy Basico wants to go back and run for governor.
Everybody there Byron Donald's, everybody's.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Looking even your set andce ended.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, that's what it's not looked at. The people that
are the best and the fighters that want to seize
territory and make some changes are not the ones that
are looking at leadership and.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Go up to leadership.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And I just don't I don't see Congress's as savable
institution in that regard.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I actually, what do you mean though, because you did,
because about it, you you changed this institution. Well do
more on the Republican side than even New Gangridge did
not change it as much.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
As you changed.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I believe that we gave hope to those who are fighting.
I don't believe that we took the power away from
the lobbyist and especially trust that we had hoped. And
until you do that, it's.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Can you do that in the system we have?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I don't really think so. I am increasingly of the
view that it takes the Donald Trump will and drive,
It takes the Elon Musk intelligence, it takes the uh,
you know, the talented people coming into the agencies. But
I have given up my own fever dream that like

(34:03):
one day there's going to be a Congressional Oversight Committee
doing programmatic view of the budget, review of the budget.
That made so much sense to me when I went
on the road. The people want it, even though it
sounds wonky. I love it when you talked about it.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Single subject bills.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I just think they would actually save the Republic. And
no one really gets excited about it. And I understand.
I think President Trump is really informed by what happened
to him on healthcare last time he tried single subjects.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
You mean you mean the first and first of the thing. Yes,
we get yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
And because of that, by summer, our own allies, the
House Freedom Caucus. Remember, we made a strategic mistake in
allowing Paul Ryan to sit there as we triage what
we're going to do about.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
That, about anything.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, he convinced it. Look, he convinces the time to speak,
or that, let us go. We've passed forty uh, you know,
anti Obamacare bills.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
We're ready to go. We'll have this done.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
And then we realized very quickly that the reason they
had done it was all performative, right, that the Republicans
had no set This was your freshman, you had just
gotten there. You saw the chaos and even our turn out,
our biggest allies and long run the house.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Freeman caught his guys were.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
The guys that that fought us the hardest coming out
of the box. And remember they actually passed some of them.
President Trump said, it's a that's a that's a mean bill.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I don't know, I want to pass some mean bills.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
So it was chaotic because the Republican Party wasn't in
the House, wasn't used to governing, right, it was all performative,
and so that is what got Now finally we got
the tax uh his tax program done in.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
The fall of that year. Right, that was it. That
was the infrastructure ever got done.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I think that that's shaping how he's thinking about the
big beautiful bill as a as a strategic vessel that
you better just put all your capital into one thing.
I think that's that's what Trump's thinking. My concern is
that becomes a lobbyist schmortgas board.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Well you see it right now. I mean, look at this.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Look let's go back to what you fought for. And
I said this on the show today, but I think
it's worth repeating. You actually negotiated hard in January, in
January twenty twenty three, and you presented a framework that
Kevin McCarthy, if he had executed on the deal that
he agreed with, right, could have been one of the

(36:14):
greatest speakers in the history of the country.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
But as soon as it passed, all they were trying
to do is get out of the one thing they
didn't want to do. And this shows you how powerful
is single subject appropriations bills.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
They didn't want it. They fought that time and again.
You finally, I think, in the summer of twenty twenty
three got it. And if you want to talk about
USAID and all this, all those fights were in the
summer twenty twenty three. Our audience, we were having ten, fifteen,
twenty thousand people a night stay up, two, three, four
o'clock in the morning. Remember on the House floor you
were Republicans arguing against each other, the Democrats kind of

(36:48):
off to the side.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
You'd had the.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Fighters, the Eli Crane, jew the MTGS talking about USAAD
we got to cut this, and Republicans the rhinos you
could really expose in them saying this had to go
and pass.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
In the committee is starting.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Passing these bills, and on the floor overright our amendments,
all the amendments, and so there you saw it where
change could really come from. The apparatus itself didn't want change.
That's why I think has happened. I believe President Trump.
I think a little bit he may be getting tapped
along by Johnson and leadership that are not filling him
on the details of what's in this Particularly.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
You don't think that Trump is actually farming out the
thought process of this to Johnson.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I mean, you know, not the thought process. But my
point is it's so confident. Look look what he's got the.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
World on his shoulders.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
He's trying to stop the kinetic part of the Third
World War. We're in a bloodier conflict than World War
Two right now in the first couple of years in
the arc of instability from Ukraine all the way down
through Kashmir and Afghanistan, you've had one point five million casualties.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Right, We've had two explosive.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Conflicts, one in Ukraine and one in Gaza. And about that,
we've had two new US Navy battle groups. And coming
from a Navy guy that was in a battle group
fifty years ago in the North Arabian Sea, we've kind
of had them fought to a standstill. I mean, we've
taken it to the hooties, but we've lost a couple
of a couple of fighter aircraft. We've taken some incoming

(38:09):
on destroyers.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
So my point is this is.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
By the way, the neo cons and this is sinister
and dark to have to say, I think they wish
we were already drawn into some war with Iran. They
would they would think that if we lost a shipful
of saeillers, that that would be the that that would
be their patriotic duty to pay, to give their life
in that manner and to die risk.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
By the way, people, in order to get right, we
risk that.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
That's the problem with being up there and row keeping
the Suez Canal keeping and people to understand that doesn't
bode well for the Straits of Taiwan and the South
China Sea when the flag goes up.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Part of the HOOTI group chat scandal, I mean, the
best part of that was seeing JD. Vance, who I
do believe is the caretaker of our movement going forward,
really articulating what we're saying about that being Europe's interests
and you know, us not having to be the military
largess of that very crowded real estate.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
What I didn't like about the group chat it was
obvious President Trump is directly talking to Sencom.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I mean, this is kind of a sidebar conversation of
all of our leaders. Pete, J. D. Tulcy, you've got hitters.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I would like to have that in the situation room
around the President getting that guidance. He's clearly talking to
combat and commander get ready to light things up. So
I think that the this situation right now. And so
when you talk about Trump knowing the details of what's
happening in the big beautiful Bill, I think he's basically
signed off of the fact, not two bills, one bill,
because you tell me, if we do two, I get

(39:44):
the smaller one for the border and for the military.
I may not get the taxes.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
A false choice you and I would do twelve would say,
you know what, you're going to force feed dance our
immigration agendas and we're gonna have.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And they're gonna have to vote against it.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
And by the way, we're gonna put them on the
worst side of the worst eighty twenty features of that.
And by the way, right when that medicine's gone down,
we are going to come in with trade and it
is going to be all of our trade policies. And you're,
by the way, right on the heels of that, our
environmental drag.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
And stack stack for it because American people voted for it.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
And by the way, that's how you make it durable,
that's how you draw people in.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
So that's that's my problem. I don't think he's at
that level. Look, he's over in the Middle East. Now,
he's got all these conflicts. Even Acxios today said, there's
like I talk about the convergence of all the crises, right,
the constitutional crisis that you talked about so articularly on
the show today, the Third World War kinetic part which
Acxios did a great thing about how he's juggling five
different conflicts and trying to solve them peacefully, and then

(40:40):
this massive kind of economic model of the United States,
including redoing world trade. At the same time you start
to do these budgets and how we're going to finance
it the bond market start.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
That's why we have to do the work we do.
I mean, that's that's why, you know, in our roles
with audiences and with people who want to be more
than just spectators to this process. I do want to
want to get into this Gaza Israel thing. I mean,
what do you think really went down on October seventh?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Look it, I think it stinks to high heaven.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
It is impossible, impossible given CIA intelligent assets, MASSAD intelligence assets,
Israeli military intelligence, the Saudis, the Six, the Brits.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
To know that that group because we covered it live.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
It just happened to have on a Saturday post to
know they did a over a forty mile stretch air
sea land attack coordinated and actually you know, knew exactly
where to go, knew on the Kibbutz's what room to
go in the level of detail they had. I was
sitting in that day going hey, and the only reinforcements
that were coming down where the old guys had fought

(41:51):
in the seventy three, sixty seven, seventy three four in.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Their own cars, with their own weapons.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
There's something and that investigation should I know israe'ser war,
but that investigation should should have happened.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
This is why I think you're.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Seeing a real split between Netanyahu's government and the Trump administration.
There's something wrong in this relationship right now. There's a
fundamental lack of trust. I think this is because they've
continued to push is only the military option, and I.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Believe by that that that really is why Michael Waltz
has been out, has been moved to the UN because
you know, there was that reporting I do that that
Trump believed Waltz was so cozy with Netanyahu and Israel
that he was well.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Two things happened. Number one helped.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
First off, when BB came and I was a thing
of Walt's particular thing, I was pretty vocal, no scalps,
we can't get in the business we had in the
first team. No, no, as you know, no scalps, no
scalps whatsoever. We can win every fight we want to win.
So you got to give the guy the benefit of
the doubt and we'll figure it out after Labor Day.
But I think what happened when BB came over for

(42:54):
the Trump Gaza You know, BB comes over and all
of a sudden, Trump's talking about Gaza and gonna make it,
and Bbe's like sitting there. You can tell he was
there to push the military option. They're going to have
to go to the East Room and had the big
press conference later. All Trump's talking about is Gaza and
you could tell her. Then they come back to the
first guys that come back.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
On the tariff day.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
They came back on that Monday to talk terroriffs.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
But the terriffs with the Israel is not a huge topic.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
It was there once again to push the military option,
and Trump's not having it.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I mean, he kind of cut the guy off. You
could see. Now.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
What we found out from the reporting later is that
Walt's either staff or Waltz himself was either meeting with
or having discussions. We know that the Israelis were quite
upset with Pete Hegseth that the Defense Department hadn't really
had alternative bombing operations or support operations. So you're seeing
a real breakdown. President Trump is not going to get

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sucked into another Middle East war. It says, no, not
in Persia, not in an ancient civilization. And the bombing you
have to do there is so horrible.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
He said it yesterday. The buried lead in the buried
lead in that.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Magnificent speech, which by the way, the mainstream media barely covered.
The buried lead is when he said we will not
it's not verification. We are not going to let them
get a nuclear weapon. It's impossible, and we have all
kinds of economic warfare aspects to do this. Diplomatic, we're
not going to do it. The Arabs almost stand in ovation.
It was the loudest applause line of the speech. And
that's not the Kanessan, that's that's the that's the Arabs.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
They're all going to have nuclear weapons.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I mean, but Sary said right there, if they.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Want a lifetime, you're gonna have Saudi Qatar, the UA.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Think they do, think Kuwait.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
If you were running, if you were running those countries,
would you not have nuclear weapons?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
With the resources they have, the talent they can acquire and.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
An you think back saying doctor Khan, Doctor Khan.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
May make a visit, but I'm not entirely sure that
there won't be able to be like a sufficient to
turn there like you've seen in Kashmir. Like what you
saw in Kashmir. You know this this last week or so,
is that you can have a conventional scuffle that that
does not metasticalize. Right, that's probably a good thing for
the world.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I think, well, I think it's a very good thing.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
And people should know President Trump did get JD and
Marco involved and.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
They had I think it had a big influence over there.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
How will you know if this has if at the
end of this four years, you know, we give ourselves
the DA and don't say that it's if he's running
in twenty twenty eight at the end. No, No, the
policy basis, Yeah, when you look back and say, you know,
this is how I'm gonna this is the report card
Steep ban and it's going.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
To get Well, here's one thing I think that we
need of Matt Gates.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
We need Matt back.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Now, is that on the trail and read doing the
commercial operations kind of that when I said that SAPAC
in twenty seventeen, you know, America first, national security, economic nationalism,
and deconstruct the administrative state. I think on the economic nationalism,
if we get control of the spending, which we haven't shown,
but I think we're going to work through this. It's
gonna be some intense fights. People are gonna be yelling

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and screaming at each other.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Sometimes.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
President Trump's not gonna be happy. I think the bond
market's going to also disponse. I think that's going to happen.
We're gonna path we have to on the America first,
national security side, the hemispheric defense, what he's looking at,
stopping Connectic War.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I think you're seeing that.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
The biggest thing I think we get the d ON
right now is the deconstruction of the administrative state.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Elon took a crack at it.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
That hasn't been codified in the in the in the
budget right now, but the.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Deep state part of that. We only have four years
to do this.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
This combination of the Pentagon, the Justice Department, the CIA,
parts of d and I this kind of the permanent
kind of government underneath on the national security side of
the Pretorian Guard, the group that kept Biden propped.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Up is we're now finding out by liberal reporters.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
The reason that nothing changed between really Bush and Obama.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
That has to be broken.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
That is a full time job, and that because they're
not sitting there, they don't care if it's Trump now
and AOC next, they're not going to change.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
We have to break that the report craft.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
From you if they're broken that.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
If you make a decision in the Oval office, it
gets done like that.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
And you don't have it right, people know like how
are they observing it?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
No, if I think first of all, they'll have to
hear it from people like US or President Trump to
know that, hey, we've decided that that we're not going
to get us sucked into a war here and they're
not going to drag us into it. And here's what
I'm doing, and here's what I'm commanding, and this is
going to happen right away, and guess what, no troops
are going People have to know that. Also, the exposing
of like the funding of the NGOs, shutting down the
American people, things of the Justice Department. That's why I

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think there needs to be MASSI investigations, grand juries.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
That part of it.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I still think we're you know, even when we had
ed Martin, he's now turfed out because of the Republicans.
They whipped it for six votes against President Trump.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Isn't it funny that it was like me and Ed
Martin that the establishment Republicans have the biggest problems with
But I think he shows you.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
You guys are getting.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Going in a way.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
It's Matt your target number one.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Matt. I don't say this lightly. You.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I'm a pretty good judge of horse flesh in this area.
You if you continue on doing what you're doing and
you have interest this, you're a future president of the
United States.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Well, only if you're a future chief of Staff.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
No, I'm in the war room. I've got enough.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I got enough going on right now. Is that yeah?
Is that in for Steve Bannon? The war room is
the is the is the if?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
No, because.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
No chance zero. The war room is so much way.
You need a platform. MAGA needs this platform for the
for the for the UH vanguard. It's a vanguard of
a revolutionary movement. You need this interactivity, information sharing, a
spree of corps.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
You need it.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
So I'm doing exactly what I'm doing now, and this
is what this is what my legacy will be at MAGA.
And I'll do it for as long as I can
possibly do it. But that's important, but it's the support
the young talent. I see like that, if we can
get to the twenty thirty census and get the Matt
Gates of the world, uh, we're going to be in
good shape. But we got a tough bridge thing and
one things we had to do.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
We had to take down the deep state, and uh,
if we don't, they'll be in power again, and you
and I will we'll both be chatting under different circumstances.
But the good news was now we're familiar with that.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Well, I went to Danbury, so I don't have any problem.
I'll Uh, I know how to, I know how.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I know hey have to roll what your daily schedule
has got to be like, So I don't fear that.
But we will go to prison if we don't.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Take these guys down. There's no doubt these people are ruthless.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I believe that. Steve Bannon the hefe Thank you much
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