May 8, 2025 • 50 mins
Ginger Gaetz and OAN Anchor Dana Alexa join The Anchormen to debate Stay at Home Moms vs. Working Wives; the root of the Newark Airport meltdown, and the White-Pilling of America under President Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Now it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Yates
and Dan Ball.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back to a show we call Anchorman. I'm Matt Gates,
host the Matt Gaids Show here on One American News.
We are on every single weeknight, nine Eastern, six Pacific.
You can also download the Oan Live app ata n
N dot com. And this is our fun weekly project
where we bring some of the interesting people that we
know from around the America First Movement and even around
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the building here at One American News together to talk
about what's on our mind. And as always I am
joined by the og producer of Steve Bannon's War Room,
the producer on the Matt Gates Show, vish Bura Fish.
Thanks for joining. Always a pleasure, Matt and making her
Anchorman debut. Dana Alexa one of the great anchors that
we have here on One American News. So really, I
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guess at the beginning, what life choices have you made
that have culminated in you sitting here with us in
the One American News studio for this discussion.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Clearly bad ones, I'm hamire with you two gut no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know I had this.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Vision when I was in the seventh grade that I've
always wanted to be in journalism and join journalism and
be like on the big screen.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I grew up watching Fox with my dad.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Shocker, who's your favorite Fox houst? Growing up?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Growing up, I had a couple. I love Stasel. I
still watched Stassel to this day.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah he's got he has like great clips. And then
obviously like og Tucker, I.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Was a little bit old bow tie Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was bow tie Tucker could taste.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I mean I was. I was watching it like at
such a young age.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And then and then you know, throughout my college years
and now we've shifted to a more alternative media I
think where we are and.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So now we look to more independent journalists.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
But yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I was an og Fox girl.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
People said that I was the love child of Tucker
Carlson and Laura Ingram.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, I'm making that up.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That that was one comment under a YouTube post and
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
And then I was just like, okay, I'm gonna brand
myself like that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't even think those two get along. Well, I'm
not even sure they're friends. I mean, a love child.
I feel like would be very strong. I feel like
you have a very strong heart. That's what that means.
So what are your what are your favorite stories to
to cover here at o An.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I like everything. I like to pick apart a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And culture, economics, foreign policy.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You know, I think I like the culture wars stuff
and and but what I like about it is I.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Like to get on both sides.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Like I like to like get on the Republicans a
bit and the Democrats a bit. It's kind of like
when I'm with friends too, Like when I'm with my
more conservative Republican friends, I get a little a little
bit more liberal. I have a little bit more liberal perspective,
and then vice versa. I don't real silence my phone?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Does that work? Can you still have friends fish that
are on both sides that you rask like? Do you
still in twenty twenty five have like liberal friends that
you go back to and tease or are we sew
shirts and skins at this point where that's not really
a part of friend formation anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I have liberal friends that I go to all the time,
and I consult them all the time because I want
that perspective. I don't want to lose that right, Like,
I want to be able to see the other side
and understand what they're seeing, what they're digestive, because that
helps me make my decisions on not just news coverage,
but some political calculations as well and stuff like that.
So I think it's an invaluable perspective. And my friends
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who know me know me before all the politics stuff,
and most of them are like that, so even if
they're liberal, so they talk to me honestly because I'm Vish,
not because I'm Republican.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And you know, that's actually really important because imagine how
boring life is just being surrounded by only Republicans. In
the conservative perspective, there's the echo chamber, there's nothing new
coming out. It gives you kind of the challenge to
also bring back with you to your more conservative friends.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's like, oh, have you ever thought of this?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's probably like not the best opinion, but it's something
to think about, yeah, Plause I.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Like to get into debates, So I think that was
far more pervasive before January sixth. I used to hold
the view that both of you hold, and what I
have to tell you is after January sixth, twenty twenty one,
if you were on the left, you could no longer
have like intelligent, reasonable discourse or razing or mockery because
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they was such a like they were so chastened by it.
They were so they were so like off put by
that this was this was the end of the Republic
because of like one riot when they had just spent
a summer defending a series of riots and death of
police officers and harm to our federal buildings. But after
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January sixth, twenty twenty one, I really lost like a
lot of the people through out my life that I
might have played baseball with or been in scouting with,
and they were just like the fact that you the
fact that you didn't vote to certify Pennsylvania means it's
over between us. And I'm not saying that I'm any
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the better for it, but it is a it lays
over our politics in a totally unnecessary way. I think
it's maybe.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Your experience is a little more acute because I think
a lot of people do know you so much through
politics and that you have the power right because you're
saying it wasn't my baseball career that was cut short
lack of talent, that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, yes, I was at.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Your time in politics.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Here, I could throw out a runner at any base
as a little league catcher. So when we ask people
to come on the program, we asked them to think
about one macro big question in the news or politics
or society that we can kick around for a while. So, ladies, first,
Dana Alexa, give us your big question, and then I'm
bringing in a very special guest for expert commentary.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Love it, Love it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So there's this ongoing war right now brewing in the
GOP and you're going to see this divide of conservative
women particularly, and it's the question at hand is if
you're a conservative woman in this modern day and age,
are you to grow up and you know, do the
normal life stuff, get married, have kids, stay at home, do.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
All the do the classic housewife duties.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Or can you venture off do those same things and
be a working woman. And so, in light of what
happened last week, there's these two conservative influencers.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
One Emily Wilson or Emily Saves the World.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
She does these little like car videos where she talks
about politics, and she made a point, or rather contentious point,
where if you're a woman in this world, have a
plan beyond just becoming a stay at home wife and mom,
you know, get your bag, make some money, and make
a career for yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
And that obviously has a lot of hit back because if.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You're a true conservative and the true sense of the word,
and you know, if you're thinking back to the nineteen
fifties era where women were happy, their happiest statistically was
at home, you know, taking care of the kids, feeding
your husband while the housework is clean, making sour dough bread.
Who was mentioned in the video, So yeah, no, there's
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a clip of that, Zach. If you want to want
to run Emily's clip, I'm going to queueu in for
the clip.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
I hate to call out my own party, but the
young girls on the right promoting this like trad wife.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Volta, I just want to make sourdough for my husband.
That's great. I'm all for it. I promote traditional values.
I understand.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I have been working since I was very young. I
don't really plan on stop being working. I suggest you
find a hobby that makes you money. But you, guys,
guess what. Guess what, baby girl, that lifestyle working out
a man a provider.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
You just get to sit at home bake bread every day.
Slim to none.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I would say no on that that's gonna work out
for you or quite literally anyone. You know, you're actually
setting yourself up for failure because it could not be
easier if.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
That's what you're gonna pursue, to be trapped by a man. Okay. Also,
let's bring some other things to the table beside sourdough.
Let's let's how guys want to.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Be mentally stimulated as well as physical. Okay, but I'm
just like, please, you guys are too young to be
promoting this.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
And also, by the way, it's cringe.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Whoa, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
First, let me let me start it off. First thing,
what's wrong with sourdough? If anything? Bring more sourdough?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So you disagree with that tape?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Initially okay, I got into a big fight with my
boyfriend about this clip.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Actually it was like a three hour fight.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Before I know anymore, I'm gonna need to know how
long the two of you have been dating?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Okay, fun fact, bet you didn't know this. I'm dating
Kara McKinney's brother.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, well, how long have the two of you been dating?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Almost? Oh my gosh, two and a half years.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Okay, yeah, two and a half years. So things things
are pretty serious.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They're heating up. Yeah, things are heating up.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, all right, So after this two and a half
year relationship, you get into this dispute over this representation
or this critique of the trad world, and your take
is what.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So initially watching it, I was like, oh my god,
I totally agree with her. I'm like, we need to
do more than make sour. Nothing wrong with making sour though,
but but my whole take is, I think if you
have the choice to do both, that's that is wonderful. However,
I think women, even if they're stay at home, have
something that you're you can make money off of. As
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you know, you never know what can happen. You need
to have some type of a backup. And there's a
lot of times in marriages where things don't go work,
they don't work out.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
You know, you get the divorce.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't know how much you end up with, and
then you're kind of stuck along with the kids, and
you know, who knows what's happening in the dispute and
the courts and who gets what and.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, two things principally matter one how much money was
there to begin with, which goes back to your your
choice on marriage, And then two, how good is your
divorce lawyer.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That that is true.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I just I just think, I just think women again,
nothing wrong with staying at home.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
But so you agree, question it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So what you're what you're saying is there is a
nugget of truth in that influencer's rant that you need
to have something that this notion that the trad husband
is out there for every trad wife to let you
just go bake sourdough doesn't exist, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I think it does. I think it does. Initially I
was like riding hard farm. I was like, Okay, I'm
going I see your point. But then I watched it
back a couple times, and she kind of seems a
little spiteful, like she's a little maybe she's a little jealous,
so just to pay the pictures. She lives in Los Angeles,
so obviously we have the highest cost of living. So
I think her finding a real hard, steady conservative man
that's probably slimmed to nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh so you think there's a geographic bias, all right?
All right, all right, so we've we've got the Corete. Yes,
now I have to bring in the person that I
believe to be the true expert on this question. Actually,
when my wife Ginger saw that we were going to
be debating this today, she did not trust Vish and
I to adequately respond to and debate the intellectual point
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you are making. And so for for our adult supervision
making her anchorman debut, my wife Ginger Gates. Ginger, you've
seen the video, You've heard Dana's take, You've got the
floor lay down the law is the is the trad
life as unattainable as the Los Angeles influencer says, or
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is that something still to be held as a standard.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
I think you definitely have to decouple a few things
so you can be a trad wife and also be
a boss babe at the same time. So I think
you can build up those skill sets I think you
can be. I mean, if you're working for a company,
you're learning skills like organizational skills and leadership which you
can bring back to your family as well. And I
think with this day and age, I mean it does
start to be a trad wife, you need to have
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your trad husband there. And so when those are becoming
fewer and fewer of those. I mean, you have to
be working towards something, being passionate about something, growing your
own skill set to be able to be the type
of wife that that trad husband would be attracted to
and want to make his wife. So I think there's
some truth in there. I definitely agree that there might be.
There was a little bit of attitude around there being
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no guys out there that would be willing to support this.
But I think if you're the type of woman that
your only goal and that you're going to forego maybe
building up yourself, your own skill sets, your own ambitions,
your own career in only pursuing the perfect sour dough,
I think you can do it all.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
See she touched on something so good.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It was balance and like you said, ginger, building up
the skill sets like we're doing today, you know, having
the wherewithal to know what you can handle.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Realistically, again, we're in California, it's a lot harder to
be a trad wife.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Like in this economy for real I mean, you almost
have to work. There's no voice.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
When you choose to be in a relationship with someone.
You're in a relationship with the college debt they accrued
with the least that they are currently in and any
credit card debt like that's the tell me that that
is not a part of the relationship. Scout that I
believe is the only explainable reason for why Vishborough is
still single, because otherwise he dances, he sings, he does karaoke.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
He visus a triple threat.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh yeah, I'm a train and dancer, jazzap in ballet. Actually, but.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
It's all about I think it's all about priority.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
So if you're a woman and your priority might be
to be a trad wife, then what you should be
doing is building up your you know, your skill set,
maybe your financial situation that you are that person, because
I think it is the most important decision you make
in your life as who you're married. It, you know,
decides your economics, it decides the values of your family,
it decides your happiness. And so I think you can
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be working towards wanting a traditional family and being a
trad wife while also building up a career. And with
this day and age, I mean with remote work, women
can be working from home. There's an article last week
that came out by the economists saying that there's more
and more kind to stay at home dads or stay
at home husbands, because the wife might be in a
role like a nurse, like a teacher, which are very
very nurturing characteristics that you'd probably want in a wife,
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and she probably brings those back and adds to her family.
So I think it's about priorities and not being so
narrow focused on just wanting to be picked up by men,
because you know you're right, and that the type of
men that are out there that are financially stable enough
and want the traditional wife, they probably also want to
be intellectually stimulated. So that is where Emily is right.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Or it's a generational boomerang swinging back, or what we're
really witnessing with the return of the tradwife phenomenon is
that the boomer wives waited for their husbands to get
home from war and had the kitchen ready, and we're
ready to have the kids and send those gis off
to college or to the office or to the workforce.
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Then you had the gen xers who had you know,
I think a real conundrum because if you were a
female gen xer, your mom, if she was in the workforce,
was a nurse, a teacher, or a secretary, and so
they had to pioneer this space, which which led gen
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X or women in the workforce to be like some
of the meanest women you'll ever work with, because there
was only room for one at the you know, Ginger
makes this point far better than I do, and so
they were like the women that were always out to
get other women. Well, I'm an elder millennial. By the
time I came along, there were more women in law
school than there were men, So there was never this
belief that women were in a subservient position visa vi
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professional opportunity. They were the majority by the time I
got there. And now I think you see a lot
of these zoomer women who look around at the gen
X women that are unhappy, the millennial women that are
unhappy and lone life and over educated and underloved in
many cases, and they think about how happy their grandmothers were.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
So maybe the question is it's not about what you're
most capable at. The question is where are women most happy,
and that tends to be more than not. I guess
in the home. Now, for me personally, that wouldn't work
because I'll be just very direct I'll look in the
camera when I say it.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You don't want me in the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I can't make sour though, I can barely make eggs
without screwing it up. So there's only a few women,
I would say a lot, actually, just not me or
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
A well cooked egg requires an artistic touch, it really does.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And also you have to have patience when you're cooking. Again,
you don't want me in the kitchen. It should be
illegal and all fifty stamps. But we're not done with
this conversation. Matt Walsh weighed in on Emily's video.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I think we have his tweet. Okay, here we go
from Matt.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
A huge number of conservative influencers are actually left wing
feminists who despise the very things that conservatism, by definition,
is suppose to be conserving.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Good point, Vish.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I kind of disagree with Matt Walsh, but not for
the reasons that you think. And I agree with Emily
and her take, but also not for the reasons that
you might think. The problem I think this comes down
to is like a chicken in the egg problem, like
what comes.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Before what Porley cooked egg and Data's kitchen.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Hopefully that doesn't come after But what I think is
going on is what was the My belief is that
the original intent of marriage is essentially to bring together
a man and a woman, who then where the woman
would be the junior partner in the man's enterprise. Right,
And so like, I've never bought into this idea that
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women didn't work until you know, the fifties, sixties, seventies
and agricultural, because I gotta tell you that is that
has never been how my family has worked. My family
is like a herd of elephants. We follow the matrix
and everyone knows it at home. So this notion that
like the man is in charge of bosses everybody around, No,
that's not what I'm saying. Ginger in our house, ginger
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bosses but that every day.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Well, Vish, I think I think you're onto something, because
there's something to say about a division of labor. Right,
If you're able to do the things you're good at
and that you like to do, you know, maybe it's
not in the kitchen. I will say Matt cook's ninety
percent of the me maybe ninety five.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
That's okay, Yeah, well he loves to cook.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
It you know, it decompresses him. He is better at it.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
He's been doing it for a longer time. I like
to bake sometimes, but I'll be in charge of you know,
maybe the mocktails. I like to do the laundry. I'll
I'll contribute in other ways. But you know, it's a
division of labor. And I don't see that as like
I'm you know, a submission of different levels. But it's
it's just contributing things that you, as a you know, spouse,
are are are good or you know, worse at having
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the other person kind of fill in.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's not submission what I tell you you have to
take out the trash. Well, but you know, ginger brings
up good place. Ginger brings up another great point. I'm
a huge reason why so many divorces happen is because
of the chores, right, and how they're divided. Is shocked
by that as this, Yes, it's about the chores, But
what's the date on it, because I.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Think it's number two.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
I think number one is finances and number two chores.
And that's why if you read a lot of these
kind of how to be a good spouse books, they say,
don't let your roommate problems become your marriage problems because
it's those little things that add up every single day.
You know, it's usually not some big thing that explodes
from left field.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
So I know what the thing is that I do
around the house that that makes Ginger want to murder me?
What is it? I can tell? I could tell everyone
my sin. Are you ready for this? I leave wet
towels anywhere.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
No, you find a corner, you find like a doing that?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Is it paper towels?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Because I do that. Sometimes I'll just do it and
I'll just.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Like leave it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
No, no, no, Ginger, Ginger, lay it out, lay it out.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
No.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
He'll take not only bath towels, sometimes he'll go and
dig out beach towels because they're even bigger.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And then he'll just.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Find the darkest corner in the coldest room, leave a
window open, and like just just pour it in there.
And so I'll just be walking around and I have
to do kind of my my towel pick up. And
it's the one thing that you know, it's it's a
you know, ninety ten eighty twenty with the person you
love them for everything, But that's this thing that he
will not be able to be trained out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And I'm okay. And by the way, what is the
one thing you cannot be trained out of? Love? What
do you do around the house?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I do break a lot of glasses.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
She breaks stuff?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
What reason are you weaving? Just what towels around?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Why are you to It's like like Hansel and Gretel left.
The kid left the yeah left the breadcrumbs. But yeah,
so if you go to our house, it's shards of
glass and wet towels are not coming over.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay, very interesting, No, but I like everything you like
the man. Just in my household, my dad was the
chef growing up. My boyfriend has is a chef. I
in the kitchen when she's talking to you, the dishes sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So like, what so, what is what is in your
skill stack? On the trad wife offer.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I've got the entertainment. I entertain him while he cooks.
I'm asking him questions.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm making Alexa put on music. You know, I'm dancing,
I'm frolicking around.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You're the vibe setter.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I am the vibe setter.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
See that's what I brings to the which is actually,
if you think about it, much harder to do because
not everyone has a good vibe. I've been around so
many that bad, bad vibes, and like, I can't even
find an escape.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And honestly, it's not even like doing the dishes. You're
selling me on this because because who I'm the vibe Yeah,
and you're doing the dishes in a good vibe versus
doing them in a bad vibe. It makes all the difference.
You're sort of the vibe cetter of the Macage Show
and the Anchorman Show. So are you? Are you buying
the primacy on the vibe set? Yeah, one hundred percent.
I think vibe the vibes. If you ask me, vibe
setting is like for the all right, ginger, Can I
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replace all of my chores at the house with a
good vibe set? If I prance around, if I pick
the playlist?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
No, you have to do a core like a dance too.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You have to the dance you do a Is it
a unique dance you do every night?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Do you want to see it?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I just no, I'm not gonna do that to you. No,
we play Mama Mia. I have forced him to learn
the music, sing the songs. He's straight, By the way,
I'm painting him like he's my gay boyfriend. No, he's
super straight, he's in law enforce.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I promise you. I'm just I'm just setting the vibe. Okay,
I don't make that very clear that I set vibes.
The vibes are vibing, the neighbors love the vibes.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And is this what you This sounds a lot like
what you do, Ginger. It sounds like when I am
doing the dishes and cooking, this is you're always like
doing vibe upsetting things. And it sounds like, from what
I've learned from Dana, I'm not appreciative enough of that
trad wife, uh performance that you bring to my daily life.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Maybe it's not tradwife, maybe it's just the vibe wife.
So I think I think Dana's totally right.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Well also too, how many men say that.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Like a dog is their best friend because they come
home they're excited to see him.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Like, we can do that too. We can be excited
to see you.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
We can yeah, put on the right mood, put on
the right tunes, and then appreciate when you're cooking. And
when Matt does the dishes of what she does, often
they call them the dish daddy.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
So yeah, I'm a little encouragement of the.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Long way clear for many skill set.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Wait guys, before we before we get too deep. So
there was a response to that Emily video. Wow, like
I should have just make this more compact. Anyways, we
got long winded. So there was a response to what
Emily had to say by another conservative influencer. I think
she's like gen zish, like on like the Yeah, she's
on the gen Z side.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Her name is Sarah. We have a sod of it.
Prepare yourself, Caroline love it.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
It's undeniable that you're doing fantastic job as White House
Press secretary, but I think you should quit. There's nothing
conservative about leaving your baby at home while you work
a highly intensive, important, time consuming role. Going back to
work when your baby is four days old is a
form of neglect. Babies, especially newborns, need their mothers, and
the conservative movement is to stop pushing this rebranded version
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of feminist ideology that says that woman can do both
because they can't. Being a mother, especially a mother to newborns,
is a full time job. Everything in life comes as
sacrifices and trade offs, especially being a parent. What America
needs right now is more present mothers. We have enough
girl bosses already. Please just go take care of your child.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wow. I have a strong critique for that, as someone
whose office in all of my time has been run
by girl bosses who I value and appreciate to this day.
That is so fake, That is so phony. Caroline Lovitt
is a is a blessing to this nation. We are
so grateful that her family is able to work together
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and make sacrifice. And you know what, the only people
who know what's going on inside a family are the
people in it. And if you don't know, you should
keep your mouth shut while other people are doing their
job and serving the country. Women can have both if
they design it. That dumb chick ought to find herself
an AI agent so that she can work smarter, not harder.
And while she is so many rungs below Caroline Levitt
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on the ladder of life, she should offer no perspective
on the point. Ginger your take.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
I think that was very well said, and honestly, I
think Caroline Lovit's kid is going to grow up to
have an amazing perception of women, what they can do,
how they can be accomplished. They can be in life.
So I think she had the absolute wrong take on that.
And if you know Caroline Lovitt, and she's very present
with her child and every moment she gets, so she's
being a role model, she has a support system, and
(25:51):
I think that is absolutely the worst take. And actually,
you know what, I think this goes back to what
you were talking about earlier, how some women just there's
no room for other women to be successful and them,
you know, not feel bad about themselves. So of course
she's being picked on because she's very successful and being
a mother and slaying it as a boss babe.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So yes, I mean, she can do it all.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
And I think that's the terrible take by that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Gen Zer. Honey. I am so grateful you had my
back on that because I had a few offerings there
that you validated that a lot of they them's are
going to be very upset about on Twitter when they
see this. But one final point on this from each
of you, Vish first.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Yeah, look again, I want to go back to my
point that I, by the way, on the Caroline love
a thing.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
She's amazing and totally capable.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And I've worked with women my whole life mostly until
I got into politics, and I had men who were
my bosses and my teammates. Wow, I mean yeah, when
one queen named George Santos. But yes, we love Katara Katara.
But I want to just say that I think that
a lot of this is coming down to, like who's
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on who's pro I think one person in the relationship.
Like I said, most of the for most of history,
women when married into with men, they became the junior
partner of the man's enterprise like a farm where and
then she would keep the books or something like that,
and she's still in the home right and still able
to raise kids but also maintain business. I've never bought
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into this idea that women should be stay at homes
and not make money. I think most of history, with
most people, that does not reflect and I encourage women
who are really great at certain things and certain skills
to go and pursue that. But you know, also, you
got to find a man who's on your program if
you're the boss, babe, So I think that that is
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also part of the equation.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He's single and dms are open. Dana final point, you're
a great question.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Oh my gosh, it's so hard.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I'm just gonna go off real quick, Okay, Sarah, Sarah,
I don't know who you are. You look like you
were born yesterday. So she's like very fresh. When the
gen Z, she's like just too new to have an
opinion on that. She's acting like she hasn't seen the
reality of working women and stay at home. You can
do You can do both. You just need a little
bit of money, but it's possible. You can do both.
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Just imagine Caroline Levitt hearing this. Imagine being tapped by
President Trump. You're gonna be the White House Press Secretary,
a prestigious role, and then you go back to Trump
and you're like, actually, no thanks, I'm gonna pass up
this once in a lifetime offer because I just feel
like staying at home and I can't hire someone or
have friends. I mean, she has a support system, Let's
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be honest, She's able to do it.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
You're not gonna want to pass.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And then, as the kid watching your mother grow up
in this role, how cool is it for that kid
to be like, my mom was the White House Press secretary,
the youngest White House Press secretary.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
How cool she made history?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And I think maybe Sarah's a little bit jealous But
the funny part about what she's saying, because she came
in so hot and so strong, is that she is
at home makeup on doing podcasting. Why isn't she a
stay at home mom.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That's a that's a grift. That's what we call a grift.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Harsh hot take, Jinger, Thank you so much for being
on the program. We appreciate you, appreciate your perspective. Thank
you for having me back.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
All right, see all right, your big question of the week.
All right, what's caught my eye?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Because I've flown out of this airport and flown into
this airport many times. Newark Airport is having a catastrophic
meltdown right now. That's ongoing, and where the officials, the
airport people and some of our own officials have basically
said that this is going to be a problem that
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last week's deal with it. They're dealing with mass cancelations,
technical outages on their radar systems and stuff, staffing shortages,
you know, delays, cancelations, you name it.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And it is.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
It is the nightmare, you know, trip from hell from
any for any person that has a flight that they're
expecting to take out of Newark.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And my question.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Is, is flying today or the way flying and air
travel is set up today totally outdated and onerous and
cumbersome to the point that we need to like reimagine
the system, all right. And my basis is is that
I want my flying cars, especially since after the pandemic,
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the people want I think, more individualized transport where they're
not sharing air in a tube with one hundred people,
let's say, and the airline industry being one of the
most regulated in America. Right, the airline industry is what
we point at when we say, oh, this is the
reason why we don't have you know, mass train transit
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and bullet trains in this country, because you could get
on a plane and be in.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
LA from New York in five hours. Right.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
I think that air travel today has just become onerous,
time consuming. I would rather prefer to drive door to
door from DC to New York then get on a flight,
because I actually think it takes longer but from door
to door to get to try and take a flight
to New York from DC than it is. Alright, I
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will beat you. And I've definitely done it from d
New York. I've done it over a thousand times just
because of how much I hate flying, especially because it's
you think about it, it takes.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Your critique here on this news story is not a
critique of this just being so utterly Newark. Well, I mean, yeah,
you're you're using it as a platform to critique air
travel broadly. Yeah, absolutely, because just to me, and I'll
let you get back on your point. To me, this
is just so Newark that that nothing works. Everything's kind
of out like they're still using copper wires, and there's
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a sneaky, little soft underbelly of the swamp of government
in local government around these airport authorities. You look at
these major metropolitan airports Miami, Orlando, Newark, LaGuardia O'Hare, they
are multi billion dollar annual budgets, huge construction contracts, luggage contracts,
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security contracts, and it is governed by a board of
unelected people who are typically connected to the donor class
and the group of interests who are drawing those resources
into their own bank accounts. And any time you go
shine a light on a lot of these airport boards,
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there is grimy and grizzly corruption going on. And by
the way, if you speak out about that it's like
you know, your body's going to be found underneath runway
number seventeen that they're constructing right now, Jimmy Hoffa style.
And when you look at why these delays are happening
in Newark, it's not just like the weather. It's that
they have delayed their the key technical upgrades. And there
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was an event that occurred where, for you know, some
term of time, connection was down with the controllers, which
is and that is devastating, that is horrific. But thereafter
a bunch of the controllers had to take time off
from work for the mental stress of them not being connected.
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No Florida man would do this. Florida man would be
back at work the next day. And so to me,
you know, that is a core issue here, not air. Look,
you want to complete about air travel. Airplanes take off
in land like every day in this country, a tube
of metal flies through the air, and you've got a
pretty good chance to take off in land. And we
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complain if Wi Fi is out for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
But that's not the complaints these days anymore. The tarmac
delays the first of all, the staff, the other passengers,
the unruly passengers.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Themselves, you've been flying Spirit. No, I have not been
flying Spirit.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
But nonetheless, that's it's not like that that can't happen
on your what's.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Your worst un really past your short story, then we're
getting danasty.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Well, my worst and really passenger story is like the
kid like okay, here's first of all, there was one
I had the unfortunate experience of sitting in the in
between two passengers once one of them had a baby
and the other one.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh dare they well?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
I mean, look, I don't I don't mind the baby
as long as it doesn't cry. But if it's a
mail in and it's next to me, yeah, I got
a problem.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
With I'm sure I never cried as a baby. Actually
my last week in the production suite, so my father said,
I came out not crying. But that's that's a whole
other story.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Anyway, one had a baby crying, right, and the other
was eating something that she brought from outside the plane,
a fish. It was like low main or something like that.
And guess what goes through a little turbulence, The lowmane
ends up on me and my sneakers.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I lost it better than the baby landing.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I mean, at that point I thought the baby was
I think it was mute.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I couldn't hear it. I was so livid that the
low made got on my sneak. Well, but people understand
Vish's most prized possessions are his sneakers. So was it
was it a clutch sneaker pair? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It was a clutch sneaker pair that I was that
I was wearing. But uh and I had to throw
them out. They were my my thunder Ford.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Okay, so your your take is we've we've we've brought
a low quality customer experience to airplaning so much so
that they are they are taking themselves. It's the paradigm.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
It's like, it's not that how do I make every
passenger's experience more first class? It's more like the next
step is we're going to introduce standing room only for
five hour flights.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I cound to bust in the sky. What do you think,
Dan Alexa, has air travel degraded?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I want to go off what he said, because I
want to do you want even better?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
About being trapped in a sandwich.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I was in between a married couple and they were working.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
So here I am, I'm trying to sleep.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I don't watch anything on the plane because I actually
genuinely try to sleep, even though that's that's a.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Hard in itself.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And you know, they're they're like doing this whole number
here where they're like like, imagine you're a May and
then yeah, and then you're like, hey, did you get
the numbers for like season two quarter or whatever?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
And I'm like, I mean, do you, sir, do you
want to just switch with me? Like your your wife.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Is like a sk no, they didn't want the middle seat.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I'm like, but you're like hunching over me, and I'm
just like like, you know what I mean, I want
to just chill out, like you're having a full blown conversation.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I would have joined it.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
You could have joined it.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yeah, I would have just started throwing out numbers. That's
how you would have got them to stop. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, obviously, you know the booking decision that was made
right there was they were like, well, neither of us
want to sit in the middle seat, and so if
we book these others, there's a chance that the middle
will be empty. But then when the middle is full,
you obviously the proto called dictates that you give that
person either the aisle or the window seat because you
let the married couples sit together.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's more hell than a baby because it's ongoing conversation.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
For four hours. By the way, with Southwest, so there
is no booking, just like going there and.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Wait, that's even worse. I know it was open seated.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Lead.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
They made the conscious decision of you know, taking the
two best spots and leaving me in the middle to suffer.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So is it my like white privilege that I hate
the Southwest boarding system where like you've got to get
there in advance, you got to stand in the line,
and like if you book your ticket late, you're CE
forty two and you're you know session, that's the standing
room only version. Like yeah, that's how do I save it?
All right?
Speaker 5 (37:41):
All right, we got to deregulate, deregulate flying in this country.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
We need we need a teleport, we need a self teleport.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Well, I mean that should be on the table too,
But at least flying cars. The Jetsons is like seventy
years old at this point. I thought I'd be having
it by the two thousands. We're like twenty five years
into the twenty first century and we still don't have
flying cars.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I want my flying, let me just say individual flying.
But how do we get that? Well, okay, fine, there's
a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
People I notes on this, vish you're gonna like that.
I actually took notes on this.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So I was trying to tune into what was going
on in Newer because I've never been there.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
But so you've never been to Newerk No.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Thank god.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
One thing, the air traffic controlled towers. They're about forty
years old, so the question about dated, yes, hard, Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know, forty years old is not outdated. Well yet.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Sean Duffy was being interviewed about all this because I
think he got some hit back that while all this
was going down. I guess he was I don't know,
posting about eating tacos or something, and I'm like, well,
what's wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
It's gonna be yesterday, it was Tuesday. Naturally, it's taco Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
And also like he didn't know this was going to
go down. Don't blame this man.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Let him enjoys tacos. Then we can talk about air
traffic control. Okay, he doesn't have a he doesn't have
a crystal ball. He can't foresee what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I just think now I completely reject your premise that
this is a broad problem with air transit. I think
this is uniquely Newark's trashiness, which you would appreciate more
if you'd ever been there. I am banned from Newark,
New Jersey because you asked me to go give a
speech during COVID in twenty twenty one to the New
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York and Republican Club.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And this happened the New York Young Republican Club that
allegedly snuck into Jersey City last night to hold a
gala fundraiser after they couldn't find a venue in their
own city due to the pandemic. So from the videos
on social media and certainly this picture, there is no
obvious attempt to enforce social distancing or face masks. That
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guy in the middle of the tall, handsome fell in
the gray suit that is representative Matt Putts, sorry, Matt Gates,
And based on his past performances, it is obvious being
a knucklehead is not beyond the pale for him. And
that's Matt again earlier this year, kind of a scene
out of Doctor Strangelove. What a full he and they
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hope you're watching, Matt. You are not welcome in New Jersey,
and frankly, I don't ever want you back in this state.
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about kind of where we stand at this moment in
the Trump presidency. Because I've talked to a lot of
my MAGA friends who are like, oh, Fauci's not in
jail yet, Liz Cheney hasn't been strung up by your entrails.
A bunch of faceless bureaucrats haven't been frog marched on
their way to indictments or cells. And you know, this
(41:46):
isn't what we wanted. And I'm sitting there like, are
you kidding me? Donald Trump is the president of the
United States. He is totally in his bag right now.
He has sealed the border. He has got corporate America
so afraid that something might see, say DEI on it,
that they are promoting people based on merit to an
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extent that we haven't seen in the last ten years.
Our military is no longer run by a bunch of
generals and dresses anymore. And you have a resetting of
the global economy that we have needed for so long.
And because of the unique circumstances that resulted in Donald
Trump becoming the president, having four years of runway, not
(42:27):
having a Democrat Congress impeaching him, not having a Democrat
Senate blocking most of his nominees, and now it might
not be all of the real estate you wanted to acquire.
But from this guy who's been around the sun forty
three times, I can tell you this isn't what you
were hoping for and praying for, and knocking on doors
for and making phone calls for. You're going to be
(42:49):
real disappointed with politics in life. Sometimes you don't get
at all. This is getting more than we ever have
at any of my time in activism or public service.
So I want to know, are you black pilled or
white pill data a LEXI, I.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Have no idea what white pilled is.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
But we're also gonna make Alcatraz great again. We're gonna
re the prison system.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
But are you as you look at the Trump presidency
or do you look at it with a sense that
the glass is half full.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Or half empty the presidency. Yeah, the best, It's the best.
In my lifetime. Trump two point zero has been so
much better than Trump. He's so much more outspoken. He
doesn't care as much about what the media thinks. I
think he doesn't want to admit it, but I think
he cared a little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Now.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
It's just like nothing's off the table.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You like unchained Trump.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I love it and I and I actually encourage the tweeting.
But see my dad, he says in his first term,
you know, he was playing it wrong and he was
ruffling too many feathers. I thought it was great because
Trump is a mastermind, and he's a masterminded social media.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
I don't even think the Alcatraz thing was real.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I think he did it to troll, but the media
runs headway with it and they don't look back. And
then you know, next thing, you know, there's the CNN
panel of six people like flipping out short circuiting about
oh my god, is Alcatraz gonna revamp again?
Speaker 4 (44:09):
And no, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Whether to have the steak out at Alcatraz or Greenland.
We don't know what's going to be invaded. First.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
He controlled it's a mind control.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, we went from CNN and staking out Roger Stone's house,
waiting for the swat raid to figure out whether or
not we get Alcastrez, Greenland or Panama next vish Are
you black pilled or white pilt?
Speaker 5 (44:28):
I am ninety five percent white pilt with a five
percent caveat. Okay, I am okay. There is so much
to be white piled about. First of all, the Overton
window is shifting at light speed at the moment. We
could not have asked for something better in America. You
wouldn't have got.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
That with a Doug Berghum or Tim Scott or Nikki
Hayley or even Aron DeSantis. Correct.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
So that is that is a huge help, and every
second that happens major win for us.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
That's one two.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Just the terms of appointment and the not what just
Trump but everybody underneath him. The kind of people we're
getting in the credentials that they'll be able to operate
in the political system in the future with is just
that is you can't put a price on that. And
so that is also something that I'm that I'm white
pilled about. And then you know, in terms of policy speed,
(45:21):
the muzzle velocity of this presidency right every day is
dumping executive orders and keeping the media on their toes
or distracted with shiny objects. I love that that pace
setting because a future president, Republican president might need to
also essentially promise that they can move at the speed
that they've seen is now possible, right in a presidency.
(45:43):
That's also good. So there are all these sort of
actions and things that are happening and the second and
third order effects of that that are just incredible, priceless,
And that's what makes me ninety five percent white build
on the presidency. But the five percent is and to
the point that you brought up where oh, CNN was
(46:03):
staking out watching Roger Stone get swatted and frog marched
out of his home, right, unlet's not let you know
unless we now forget mar Lago was raided where these
agents were sniffing the first lady's panties or we don't
know what they were doing, but they were doing something
that Milania was not very happy with. And she makes
it evident that she wasn't happy with that. And so
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there's a certain kind of desire.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
When you're rated. It's intrusive, right, Vicius.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
Absolutely, I know firsthand highly intrusive. And but the punitive
aspect of the presidency is something I think that not
just the people with the base want to see, but
it's also the deterrence factors that we need to see
a judge, they're not putitive enough for you. No, well,
(46:55):
there's listen, man, there are people who have done us
bad the way they go after our people.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
We have, but some deterrements. It's like what we were
talking about this week on the program about Indian and Pakistan.
How does it not just become infinitely escalatory. We lock
up some of them, they lock up some of us,
We go back and forth. Is that really the world
of what you want to Once they get power, you
and I are going to need to go to a
different jurisdiction, not.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
One hundred percent, But so you have to force datent somehow, right,
You have to eventually appomatics has.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
To happen, correct, right? And don't you think Trump is
uniquely positioned to lead that moment?
Speaker 5 (47:31):
I do, But but you have to be able to
reassure your base that you're on it right, and I
don't think those signals are coming through right now. And
so that's that is what I think is that's totally
What do you.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Mean, like play by the rules? I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
No, it's not that play by the rules.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
It's like these guys have done it, have literally tried
to put so many and have successfully put so many
people of our people in jail.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I walked to the band in prison, right, and so
like that.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
We we don't see our capability to do that to them,
and I think that our our base just want to
see if we can do it.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
If we can, that's a that's a dangerous lust to indulge,
my friend. Okay, dangerous lust.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
What's what's the what deterns factors can we do? You
think are are going to work in lieu of that
so they stop putting our people in jail even when
they do get power, which they eventually will pardon.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Well, yeah, I think that the the restorative efforts like
pardons are are one component to show that they don't
just get the ability to dictate those outcomes. And I
think that following the facts in the law appropriately to
appropriate actions like the arresting of this judge that was
human trafficking somebody through her chambers and away from federal
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law enforcement is the right way. But but to just
be banging our chests wanting scalps is not is not
something that's going to tell people.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
That's part of the reason, by the way that people
well from the left left, that.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
Was the whole point. They sound great crazy, their party
was getting.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I mean, remember when Biden, five minutes before we actually
handing things over, he did that preemptive parton faut you right,
and that was like one of the people I wished
to see in prison more than anybody, And that pissed everybody.
I think that pissed a lot of Actually people on
the left.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Hold. I know some people they're big animal lovers, and
they were like, what the heck.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Well, that's the thing again, this part.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
Then okay, if you don't take this aspect that I'm
talking about these punitive measures, and you say, oh, well
there's the pardon aspect of this too, well, then is
that is that? The next is that the new paradigm
Every president five minutes before their way out essentially pardons
preemptive pardons all his operatives and all his apparatus underneath.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
What does that open the door to, That opens the
door to, like, I don't know, a future president. Acossio
Cortes pardoning MS thirteen member kilmar Abrego Garcia out of
a virtues and how do we deter that? But that
is all the time we have this fascinating discussion with
the both of you. Thank you to my ginger for
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Now it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Yates
and Dan Ball.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back to a show we call Anchorman. I'm Matt Gates,
host the Matt Gaids Show here on One American News.
We are on every single weeknight, nine Eastern, six Pacific.
You can also download the Oan Live app ata n
N dot com. And this is our fun weekly project
where we bring some of the interesting people that we
know from around the America First Movement and even around
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the building here at One American News together to talk
about what's on our mind. And as always I am
joined by the og producer of Steve Bannon's War Room,
the producer on the Matt Gates Show, vish Bura Fish.
Thanks for joining. Always a pleasure, Matt and making her
Anchorman debut. Dana Alexa one of the great anchors that
we have here on One American News. So really, I
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guess at the beginning, what life choices have you made
that have culminated in you sitting here with us in
the One American News studio for this discussion.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Clearly bad ones, I'm hamire with you two gut no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know I had this.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Vision when I was in the seventh grade that I've
always wanted to be in journalism and join journalism and
be like on the big screen.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I grew up watching Fox with my dad.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Shocker, who's your favorite Fox houst? Growing up?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Growing up, I had a couple. I love Stasel. I
still watched Stassel to this day.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah he's got he has like great clips. And then
obviously like og Tucker, I.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Was a little bit old bow tie Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was bow tie Tucker could taste.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I mean I was. I was watching it like at
such a young age.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And then and then you know, throughout my college years
and now we've shifted to a more alternative media I
think where we are and.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So now we look to more independent journalists.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
But yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I was an og Fox girl.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
People said that I was the love child of Tucker
Carlson and Laura Ingram.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, I'm making that up.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That that was one comment under a YouTube post and
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
And then I was just like, okay, I'm gonna brand
myself like that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't even think those two get along. Well, I'm
not even sure they're friends. I mean, a love child.
I feel like would be very strong. I feel like
you have a very strong heart. That's what that means.
So what are your what are your favorite stories to
to cover here at o An.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I like everything. I like to pick apart a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And culture, economics, foreign policy.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You know, I think I like the culture wars stuff
and and but what I like about it is I.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Like to get on both sides.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Like I like to like get on the Republicans a
bit and the Democrats a bit. It's kind of like
when I'm with friends too, Like when I'm with my
more conservative Republican friends, I get a little a little
bit more liberal. I have a little bit more liberal perspective,
and then vice versa. I don't real silence my phone?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Does that work? Can you still have friends fish that
are on both sides that you rask like? Do you
still in twenty twenty five have like liberal friends that
you go back to and tease or are we sew
shirts and skins at this point where that's not really
a part of friend formation anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I have liberal friends that I go to all the time,
and I consult them all the time because I want
that perspective. I don't want to lose that right, Like,
I want to be able to see the other side
and understand what they're seeing, what they're digestive, because that
helps me make my decisions on not just news coverage,
but some political calculations as well and stuff like that.
So I think it's an invaluable perspective. And my friends
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who know me know me before all the politics stuff,
and most of them are like that, so even if
they're liberal, so they talk to me honestly because I'm Vish,
not because I'm Republican.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And you know, that's actually really important because imagine how
boring life is just being surrounded by only Republicans. In
the conservative perspective, there's the echo chamber, there's nothing new
coming out. It gives you kind of the challenge to
also bring back with you to your more conservative friends.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's like, oh, have you ever thought of this?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's probably like not the best opinion, but it's something
to think about, yeah, Plause I.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Like to get into debates, So I think that was
far more pervasive before January sixth. I used to hold
the view that both of you hold, and what I
have to tell you is after January sixth, twenty twenty one,
if you were on the left, you could no longer
have like intelligent, reasonable discourse or razing or mockery because
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they was such a like they were so chastened by it.
They were so they were so like off put by
that this was this was the end of the Republic
because of like one riot when they had just spent
a summer defending a series of riots and death of
police officers and harm to our federal buildings. But after
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January sixth, twenty twenty one, I really lost like a
lot of the people through out my life that I
might have played baseball with or been in scouting with,
and they were just like the fact that you the
fact that you didn't vote to certify Pennsylvania means it's
over between us. And I'm not saying that I'm any
(05:16):
the better for it, but it is a it lays
over our politics in a totally unnecessary way. I think
it's maybe.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Your experience is a little more acute because I think
a lot of people do know you so much through
politics and that you have the power right because you're
saying it wasn't my baseball career that was cut short
lack of talent, that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, yes, I was at.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Your time in politics.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Here, I could throw out a runner at any base
as a little league catcher. So when we ask people
to come on the program, we asked them to think
about one macro big question in the news or politics
or society that we can kick around for a while. So, ladies, first,
Dana Alexa, give us your big question, and then I'm
bringing in a very special guest for expert commentary.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Love it, Love it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So there's this ongoing war right now brewing in the
GOP and you're going to see this divide of conservative
women particularly, and it's the question at hand is if
you're a conservative woman in this modern day and age,
are you to grow up and you know, do the
normal life stuff, get married, have kids, stay at home, do.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
All the do the classic housewife duties.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Or can you venture off do those same things and
be a working woman. And so, in light of what
happened last week, there's these two conservative influencers.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
One Emily Wilson or Emily Saves the World.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
She does these little like car videos where she talks
about politics, and she made a point, or rather contentious point,
where if you're a woman in this world, have a
plan beyond just becoming a stay at home wife and mom,
you know, get your bag, make some money, and make
a career for yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
And that obviously has a lot of hit back because if.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You're a true conservative and the true sense of the word,
and you know, if you're thinking back to the nineteen
fifties era where women were happy, their happiest statistically was
at home, you know, taking care of the kids, feeding
your husband while the housework is clean, making sour dough bread.
Who was mentioned in the video, So yeah, no, there's
(07:24):
a clip of that, Zach. If you want to want
to run Emily's clip, I'm going to queueu in for
the clip.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
I hate to call out my own party, but the
young girls on the right promoting this like trad wife.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Volta, I just want to make sourdough for my husband.
That's great. I'm all for it. I promote traditional values.
I understand.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I have been working since I was very young. I
don't really plan on stop being working. I suggest you
find a hobby that makes you money. But you, guys,
guess what. Guess what, baby girl, that lifestyle working out
a man a provider.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
You just get to sit at home bake bread every day.
Slim to none.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I would say no on that that's gonna work out
for you or quite literally anyone. You know, you're actually
setting yourself up for failure because it could not be
easier if.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
That's what you're gonna pursue, to be trapped by a man. Okay. Also,
let's bring some other things to the table beside sourdough.
Let's let's how guys want to.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Be mentally stimulated as well as physical. Okay, but I'm
just like, please, you guys are too young to be
promoting this.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
And also, by the way, it's cringe.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Whoa, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
First, let me let me start it off. First thing,
what's wrong with sourdough? If anything? Bring more sourdough?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So you disagree with that tape?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Initially okay, I got into a big fight with my
boyfriend about this clip.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Actually it was like a three hour fight.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Before I know anymore, I'm gonna need to know how
long the two of you have been dating?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Okay, fun fact, bet you didn't know this. I'm dating
Kara McKinney's brother.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, well, how long have the two of you been dating?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Almost? Oh my gosh, two and a half years.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Okay, yeah, two and a half years. So things things
are pretty serious.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They're heating up. Yeah, things are heating up.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, all right, So after this two and a half
year relationship, you get into this dispute over this representation
or this critique of the trad world, and your take
is what.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So initially watching it, I was like, oh my god,
I totally agree with her. I'm like, we need to
do more than make sour. Nothing wrong with making sour though,
but but my whole take is, I think if you
have the choice to do both, that's that is wonderful. However,
I think women, even if they're stay at home, have
something that you're you can make money off of. As
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you know, you never know what can happen. You need
to have some type of a backup. And there's a
lot of times in marriages where things don't go work,
they don't work out.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
You know, you get the divorce.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't know how much you end up with, and
then you're kind of stuck along with the kids, and
you know, who knows what's happening in the dispute and
the courts and who gets what and.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, two things principally matter one how much money was
there to begin with, which goes back to your your
choice on marriage, And then two, how good is your
divorce lawyer.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That that is true.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I just I just think, I just think women again,
nothing wrong with staying at home.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
But so you agree, question it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So what you're what you're saying is there is a
nugget of truth in that influencer's rant that you need
to have something that this notion that the trad husband
is out there for every trad wife to let you
just go bake sourdough doesn't exist, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I think it does. I think it does. Initially I
was like riding hard farm. I was like, Okay, I'm
going I see your point. But then I watched it
back a couple times, and she kind of seems a
little spiteful, like she's a little maybe she's a little jealous,
so just to pay the pictures. She lives in Los Angeles,
so obviously we have the highest cost of living. So
I think her finding a real hard, steady conservative man
that's probably slimmed to nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh so you think there's a geographic bias, all right?
All right, all right, so we've we've got the Corete. Yes,
now I have to bring in the person that I
believe to be the true expert on this question. Actually,
when my wife Ginger saw that we were going to
be debating this today, she did not trust Vish and
I to adequately respond to and debate the intellectual point
(11:10):
you are making. And so for for our adult supervision
making her anchorman debut, my wife Ginger Gates. Ginger, you've
seen the video, You've heard Dana's take, You've got the
floor lay down the law is the is the trad
life as unattainable as the Los Angeles influencer says, or
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is that something still to be held as a standard.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
I think you definitely have to decouple a few things
so you can be a trad wife and also be
a boss babe at the same time. So I think
you can build up those skill sets I think you
can be. I mean, if you're working for a company,
you're learning skills like organizational skills and leadership which you
can bring back to your family as well. And I
think with this day and age, I mean it does
start to be a trad wife, you need to have
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your trad husband there. And so when those are becoming
fewer and fewer of those. I mean, you have to
be working towards something, being passionate about something, growing your
own skill set to be able to be the type
of wife that that trad husband would be attracted to
and want to make his wife. So I think there's
some truth in there. I definitely agree that there might be.
There was a little bit of attitude around there being
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no guys out there that would be willing to support this.
But I think if you're the type of woman that
your only goal and that you're going to forego maybe
building up yourself, your own skill sets, your own ambitions,
your own career in only pursuing the perfect sour dough,
I think you can do it all.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
See she touched on something so good.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It was balance and like you said, ginger, building up
the skill sets like we're doing today, you know, having
the wherewithal to know what you can handle.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Realistically, again, we're in California, it's a lot harder to
be a trad wife.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Like in this economy for real I mean, you almost
have to work. There's no voice.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
When you choose to be in a relationship with someone.
You're in a relationship with the college debt they accrued
with the least that they are currently in and any
credit card debt like that's the tell me that that
is not a part of the relationship. Scout that I
believe is the only explainable reason for why Vishborough is
still single, because otherwise he dances, he sings, he does karaoke.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
He visus a triple threat.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh yeah, I'm a train and dancer, jazzap in ballet. Actually, but.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
It's all about I think it's all about priority.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
So if you're a woman and your priority might be
to be a trad wife, then what you should be
doing is building up your you know, your skill set,
maybe your financial situation that you are that person, because
I think it is the most important decision you make
in your life as who you're married. It, you know,
decides your economics, it decides the values of your family,
it decides your happiness. And so I think you can
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be working towards wanting a traditional family and being a
trad wife while also building up a career. And with
this day and age, I mean with remote work, women
can be working from home. There's an article last week
that came out by the economists saying that there's more
and more kind to stay at home dads or stay
at home husbands, because the wife might be in a
role like a nurse, like a teacher, which are very
very nurturing characteristics that you'd probably want in a wife,
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and she probably brings those back and adds to her family.
So I think it's about priorities and not being so
narrow focused on just wanting to be picked up by men,
because you know you're right, and that the type of
men that are out there that are financially stable enough
and want the traditional wife, they probably also want to
be intellectually stimulated. So that is where Emily is right.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Or it's a generational boomerang swinging back, or what we're
really witnessing with the return of the tradwife phenomenon is
that the boomer wives waited for their husbands to get
home from war and had the kitchen ready, and we're
ready to have the kids and send those gis off
to college or to the office or to the workforce.
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Then you had the gen xers who had you know,
I think a real conundrum because if you were a
female gen xer, your mom, if she was in the workforce,
was a nurse, a teacher, or a secretary, and so
they had to pioneer this space, which which led gen
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X or women in the workforce to be like some
of the meanest women you'll ever work with, because there
was only room for one at the you know, Ginger
makes this point far better than I do, and so
they were like the women that were always out to
get other women. Well, I'm an elder millennial. By the
time I came along, there were more women in law
school than there were men, So there was never this
belief that women were in a subservient position visa vi
(15:46):
professional opportunity. They were the majority by the time I
got there. And now I think you see a lot
of these zoomer women who look around at the gen
X women that are unhappy, the millennial women that are
unhappy and lone life and over educated and underloved in
many cases, and they think about how happy their grandmothers were.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
So maybe the question is it's not about what you're
most capable at. The question is where are women most happy,
and that tends to be more than not. I guess
in the home. Now, for me personally, that wouldn't work
because I'll be just very direct I'll look in the
camera when I say it.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You don't want me in the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I can't make sour though, I can barely make eggs
without screwing it up. So there's only a few women,
I would say a lot, actually, just not me or
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
A well cooked egg requires an artistic touch, it really does.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And also you have to have patience when you're cooking. Again,
you don't want me in the kitchen. It should be
illegal and all fifty stamps. But we're not done with
this conversation. Matt Walsh weighed in on Emily's video.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I think we have his tweet. Okay, here we go
from Matt.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
A huge number of conservative influencers are actually left wing
feminists who despise the very things that conservatism, by definition,
is suppose to be conserving.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Good point, Vish.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I kind of disagree with Matt Walsh, but not for
the reasons that you think. And I agree with Emily
and her take, but also not for the reasons that
you might think. The problem I think this comes down
to is like a chicken in the egg problem, like
what comes.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Before what Porley cooked egg and Data's kitchen.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Hopefully that doesn't come after But what I think is
going on is what was the My belief is that
the original intent of marriage is essentially to bring together
a man and a woman, who then where the woman
would be the junior partner in the man's enterprise. Right,
And so like, I've never bought into this idea that
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women didn't work until you know, the fifties, sixties, seventies
and agricultural, because I gotta tell you that is that
has never been how my family has worked. My family
is like a herd of elephants. We follow the matrix
and everyone knows it at home. So this notion that
like the man is in charge of bosses everybody around, No,
that's not what I'm saying. Ginger in our house, ginger
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bosses but that every day.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Well, Vish, I think I think you're onto something, because
there's something to say about a division of labor. Right,
If you're able to do the things you're good at
and that you like to do, you know, maybe it's
not in the kitchen. I will say Matt cook's ninety
percent of the me maybe ninety five.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
That's okay, Yeah, well he loves to cook.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
It you know, it decompresses him. He is better at it.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
He's been doing it for a longer time. I like
to bake sometimes, but I'll be in charge of you know,
maybe the mocktails. I like to do the laundry. I'll
I'll contribute in other ways. But you know, it's a
division of labor. And I don't see that as like
I'm you know, a submission of different levels. But it's
it's just contributing things that you, as a you know, spouse,
are are are good or you know, worse at having
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the other person kind of fill in.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's not submission what I tell you you have to
take out the trash. Well, but you know, ginger brings
up good place. Ginger brings up another great point. I'm
a huge reason why so many divorces happen is because
of the chores, right, and how they're divided. Is shocked
by that as this, Yes, it's about the chores, But
what's the date on it, because I.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Think it's number two.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
I think number one is finances and number two chores.
And that's why if you read a lot of these
kind of how to be a good spouse books, they say,
don't let your roommate problems become your marriage problems because
it's those little things that add up every single day.
You know, it's usually not some big thing that explodes
from left field.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
So I know what the thing is that I do
around the house that that makes Ginger want to murder me?
What is it? I can tell? I could tell everyone
my sin. Are you ready for this? I leave wet
towels anywhere.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
No, you find a corner, you find like a doing that?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Is it paper towels?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Because I do that. Sometimes I'll just do it and
I'll just.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Like leave it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
No, no, no, Ginger, Ginger, lay it out, lay it out.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
No.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
He'll take not only bath towels, sometimes he'll go and
dig out beach towels because they're even bigger.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And then he'll just.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Find the darkest corner in the coldest room, leave a
window open, and like just just pour it in there.
And so I'll just be walking around and I have
to do kind of my my towel pick up. And
it's the one thing that you know, it's it's a
you know, ninety ten eighty twenty with the person you
love them for everything, But that's this thing that he
will not be able to be trained out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And I'm okay. And by the way, what is the
one thing you cannot be trained out of? Love? What
do you do around the house?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I do break a lot of glasses.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
She breaks stuff?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
What reason are you weaving? Just what towels around?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Why are you to It's like like Hansel and Gretel left.
The kid left the yeah left the breadcrumbs. But yeah,
so if you go to our house, it's shards of
glass and wet towels are not coming over.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay, very interesting, No, but I like everything you like
the man. Just in my household, my dad was the
chef growing up. My boyfriend has is a chef. I
in the kitchen when she's talking to you, the dishes sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So like, what so, what is what is in your
skill stack? On the trad wife offer.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I've got the entertainment. I entertain him while he cooks.
I'm asking him questions.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm making Alexa put on music. You know, I'm dancing,
I'm frolicking around.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You're the vibe setter.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I am the vibe setter.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
See that's what I brings to the which is actually,
if you think about it, much harder to do because
not everyone has a good vibe. I've been around so
many that bad, bad vibes, and like, I can't even
find an escape.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And honestly, it's not even like doing the dishes. You're
selling me on this because because who I'm the vibe Yeah,
and you're doing the dishes in a good vibe versus
doing them in a bad vibe. It makes all the difference.
You're sort of the vibe cetter of the Macage Show
and the Anchorman Show. So are you? Are you buying
the primacy on the vibe set? Yeah, one hundred percent.
I think vibe the vibes. If you ask me, vibe
setting is like for the all right, ginger, Can I
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replace all of my chores at the house with a
good vibe set? If I prance around, if I pick
the playlist?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
No, you have to do a core like a dance too.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You have to the dance you do a Is it
a unique dance you do every night?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Do you want to see it?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I just no, I'm not gonna do that to you. No,
we play Mama Mia. I have forced him to learn
the music, sing the songs. He's straight, By the way,
I'm painting him like he's my gay boyfriend. No, he's
super straight, he's in law enforce.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I promise you. I'm just I'm just setting the vibe. Okay,
I don't make that very clear that I set vibes.
The vibes are vibing, the neighbors love the vibes.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And is this what you This sounds a lot like
what you do, Ginger. It sounds like when I am
doing the dishes and cooking, this is you're always like
doing vibe upsetting things. And it sounds like, from what
I've learned from Dana, I'm not appreciative enough of that
trad wife, uh performance that you bring to my daily life.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Maybe it's not tradwife, maybe it's just the vibe wife.
So I think I think Dana's totally right.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Well also too, how many men say that.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Like a dog is their best friend because they come
home they're excited to see him.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Like, we can do that too. We can be excited
to see you.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
We can yeah, put on the right mood, put on
the right tunes, and then appreciate when you're cooking. And
when Matt does the dishes of what she does, often
they call them the dish daddy.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
So yeah, I'm a little encouragement of the.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Long way clear for many skill set.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Wait guys, before we before we get too deep. So
there was a response to that Emily video. Wow, like
I should have just make this more compact. Anyways, we
got long winded. So there was a response to what
Emily had to say by another conservative influencer. I think
she's like gen zish, like on like the Yeah, she's
on the gen Z side.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Her name is Sarah. We have a sod of it.
Prepare yourself, Caroline love it.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
It's undeniable that you're doing fantastic job as White House
Press secretary, but I think you should quit. There's nothing
conservative about leaving your baby at home while you work
a highly intensive, important, time consuming role. Going back to
work when your baby is four days old is a
form of neglect. Babies, especially newborns, need their mothers, and
the conservative movement is to stop pushing this rebranded version
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of feminist ideology that says that woman can do both
because they can't. Being a mother, especially a mother to newborns,
is a full time job. Everything in life comes as
sacrifices and trade offs, especially being a parent. What America
needs right now is more present mothers. We have enough
girl bosses already. Please just go take care of your child.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wow. I have a strong critique for that, as someone
whose office in all of my time has been run
by girl bosses who I value and appreciate to this day.
That is so fake, That is so phony. Caroline Lovitt
is a is a blessing to this nation. We are
so grateful that her family is able to work together
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and make sacrifice. And you know what, the only people
who know what's going on inside a family are the
people in it. And if you don't know, you should
keep your mouth shut while other people are doing their
job and serving the country. Women can have both if
they design it. That dumb chick ought to find herself
an AI agent so that she can work smarter, not harder.
And while she is so many rungs below Caroline Levitt
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on the ladder of life, she should offer no perspective
on the point. Ginger your take.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
I think that was very well said, and honestly, I
think Caroline Lovit's kid is going to grow up to
have an amazing perception of women, what they can do,
how they can be accomplished. They can be in life.
So I think she had the absolute wrong take on that.
And if you know Caroline Lovitt, and she's very present
with her child and every moment she gets, so she's
being a role model, she has a support system, and
(25:51):
I think that is absolutely the worst take. And actually,
you know what, I think this goes back to what
you were talking about earlier, how some women just there's
no room for other women to be successful and them,
you know, not feel bad about themselves. So of course
she's being picked on because she's very successful and being
a mother and slaying it as a boss babe.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So yes, I mean, she can do it all.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
And I think that's the terrible take by that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Gen Zer. Honey. I am so grateful you had my
back on that because I had a few offerings there
that you validated that a lot of they them's are
going to be very upset about on Twitter when they
see this. But one final point on this from each
of you, Vish first.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Yeah, look again, I want to go back to my
point that I, by the way, on the Caroline love
a thing.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
She's amazing and totally capable.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And I've worked with women my whole life mostly until
I got into politics, and I had men who were
my bosses and my teammates. Wow, I mean yeah, when
one queen named George Santos. But yes, we love Katara Katara.
But I want to just say that I think that
a lot of this is coming down to, like who's
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on who's pro I think one person in the relationship.
Like I said, most of the for most of history,
women when married into with men, they became the junior
partner of the man's enterprise like a farm where and
then she would keep the books or something like that,
and she's still in the home right and still able
to raise kids but also maintain business. I've never bought
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into this idea that women should be stay at homes
and not make money. I think most of history, with
most people, that does not reflect and I encourage women
who are really great at certain things and certain skills
to go and pursue that. But you know, also, you
got to find a man who's on your program if
you're the boss, babe, So I think that that is
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also part of the equation.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He's single and dms are open. Dana final point, you're
a great question.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Oh my gosh, it's so hard.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I'm just gonna go off real quick, Okay, Sarah, Sarah,
I don't know who you are. You look like you
were born yesterday. So she's like very fresh. When the
gen Z, she's like just too new to have an
opinion on that. She's acting like she hasn't seen the
reality of working women and stay at home. You can
do You can do both. You just need a little
bit of money, but it's possible. You can do both.
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Just imagine Caroline Levitt hearing this. Imagine being tapped by
President Trump. You're gonna be the White House Press Secretary,
a prestigious role, and then you go back to Trump
and you're like, actually, no thanks, I'm gonna pass up
this once in a lifetime offer because I just feel
like staying at home and I can't hire someone or
have friends. I mean, she has a support system, Let's
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be honest, She's able to do it.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
You're not gonna want to pass.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And then, as the kid watching your mother grow up
in this role, how cool is it for that kid
to be like, my mom was the White House Press secretary,
the youngest White House Press secretary.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
How cool she made history?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And I think maybe Sarah's a little bit jealous But
the funny part about what she's saying, because she came
in so hot and so strong, is that she is
at home makeup on doing podcasting. Why isn't she a
stay at home mom.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That's a that's a grift. That's what we call a grift.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Harsh hot take, Jinger, Thank you so much for being
on the program. We appreciate you, appreciate your perspective. Thank
you for having me back.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
All right, see all right, your big question of the week.
All right, what's caught my eye?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Because I've flown out of this airport and flown into
this airport many times. Newark Airport is having a catastrophic
meltdown right now. That's ongoing, and where the officials, the
airport people and some of our own officials have basically
said that this is going to be a problem that
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last week's deal with it. They're dealing with mass cancelations,
technical outages on their radar systems and stuff, staffing shortages,
you know, delays, cancelations, you name it.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And it is.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
It is the nightmare, you know, trip from hell from
any for any person that has a flight that they're
expecting to take out of Newark.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And my question.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Is, is flying today or the way flying and air
travel is set up today totally outdated and onerous and
cumbersome to the point that we need to like reimagine
the system, all right. And my basis is is that
I want my flying cars, especially since after the pandemic,
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the people want I think, more individualized transport where they're
not sharing air in a tube with one hundred people,
let's say, and the airline industry being one of the
most regulated in America. Right, the airline industry is what
we point at when we say, oh, this is the
reason why we don't have you know, mass train transit
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and bullet trains in this country, because you could get
on a plane and be in.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
LA from New York in five hours. Right.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
I think that air travel today has just become onerous,
time consuming. I would rather prefer to drive door to
door from DC to New York then get on a flight,
because I actually think it takes longer but from door
to door to get to try and take a flight
to New York from DC than it is. Alright, I
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will beat you. And I've definitely done it from d
New York. I've done it over a thousand times just
because of how much I hate flying, especially because it's
you think about it, it takes.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Your critique here on this news story is not a
critique of this just being so utterly Newark. Well, I mean, yeah,
you're you're using it as a platform to critique air
travel broadly. Yeah, absolutely, because just to me, and I'll
let you get back on your point. To me, this
is just so Newark that that nothing works. Everything's kind
of out like they're still using copper wires, and there's
(31:54):
a sneaky, little soft underbelly of the swamp of government
in local government around these airport authorities. You look at
these major metropolitan airports Miami, Orlando, Newark, LaGuardia O'Hare, they
are multi billion dollar annual budgets, huge construction contracts, luggage contracts,
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security contracts, and it is governed by a board of
unelected people who are typically connected to the donor class
and the group of interests who are drawing those resources
into their own bank accounts. And any time you go
shine a light on a lot of these airport boards,
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there is grimy and grizzly corruption going on. And by
the way, if you speak out about that it's like
you know, your body's going to be found underneath runway
number seventeen that they're constructing right now, Jimmy Hoffa style.
And when you look at why these delays are happening
in Newark, it's not just like the weather. It's that
they have delayed their the key technical upgrades. And there
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was an event that occurred where, for you know, some
term of time, connection was down with the controllers, which
is and that is devastating, that is horrific. But thereafter
a bunch of the controllers had to take time off
from work for the mental stress of them not being connected.
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No Florida man would do this. Florida man would be
back at work the next day. And so to me,
you know, that is a core issue here, not air. Look,
you want to complete about air travel. Airplanes take off
in land like every day in this country, a tube
of metal flies through the air, and you've got a
pretty good chance to take off in land. And we
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complain if Wi Fi is out for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
But that's not the complaints these days anymore. The tarmac
delays the first of all, the staff, the other passengers,
the unruly passengers.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Themselves, you've been flying Spirit. No, I have not been
flying Spirit.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
But nonetheless, that's it's not like that that can't happen
on your what's.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Your worst un really past your short story, then we're
getting danasty.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Well, my worst and really passenger story is like the
kid like okay, here's first of all, there was one
I had the unfortunate experience of sitting in the in
between two passengers once one of them had a baby
and the other one.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh dare they well?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
I mean, look, I don't I don't mind the baby
as long as it doesn't cry. But if it's a
mail in and it's next to me, yeah, I got
a problem.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
With I'm sure I never cried as a baby. Actually
my last week in the production suite, so my father said,
I came out not crying. But that's that's a whole
other story.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Anyway, one had a baby crying, right, and the other
was eating something that she brought from outside the plane,
a fish. It was like low main or something like that.
And guess what goes through a little turbulence, The lowmane
ends up on me and my sneakers.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I lost it better than the baby landing.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I mean, at that point I thought the baby was
I think it was mute.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I couldn't hear it. I was so livid that the
low made got on my sneak. Well, but people understand
Vish's most prized possessions are his sneakers. So was it
was it a clutch sneaker pair? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It was a clutch sneaker pair that I was that
I was wearing. But uh and I had to throw
them out. They were my my thunder Ford.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Okay, so your your take is we've we've we've brought
a low quality customer experience to airplaning so much so
that they are they are taking themselves. It's the paradigm.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
It's like, it's not that how do I make every
passenger's experience more first class? It's more like the next
step is we're going to introduce standing room only for
five hour flights.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I cound to bust in the sky. What do you think,
Dan Alexa, has air travel degraded?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I want to go off what he said, because I
want to do you want even better?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
About being trapped in a sandwich.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I was in between a married couple and they were working.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
So here I am, I'm trying to sleep.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I don't watch anything on the plane because I actually
genuinely try to sleep, even though that's that's a.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Hard in itself.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And you know, they're they're like doing this whole number
here where they're like like, imagine you're a May and
then yeah, and then you're like, hey, did you get
the numbers for like season two quarter or whatever?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
And I'm like, I mean, do you, sir, do you
want to just switch with me? Like your your wife.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Is like a sk no, they didn't want the middle seat.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I'm like, but you're like hunching over me, and I'm
just like like, you know what I mean, I want
to just chill out, like you're having a full blown conversation.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I would have joined it.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
You could have joined it.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yeah, I would have just started throwing out numbers. That's
how you would have got them to stop. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, obviously, you know the booking decision that was made
right there was they were like, well, neither of us
want to sit in the middle seat, and so if
we book these others, there's a chance that the middle
will be empty. But then when the middle is full,
you obviously the proto called dictates that you give that
person either the aisle or the window seat because you
let the married couples sit together.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's more hell than a baby because it's ongoing conversation.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
For four hours. By the way, with Southwest, so there
is no booking, just like going there and.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Wait, that's even worse. I know it was open seated.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Lead.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
They made the conscious decision of you know, taking the
two best spots and leaving me in the middle to suffer.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So is it my like white privilege that I hate
the Southwest boarding system where like you've got to get
there in advance, you got to stand in the line,
and like if you book your ticket late, you're CE
forty two and you're you know session, that's the standing
room only version. Like yeah, that's how do I save it?
All right?
Speaker 5 (37:41):
All right, we got to deregulate, deregulate flying in this country.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
We need we need a teleport, we need a self teleport.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Well, I mean that should be on the table too,
But at least flying cars. The Jetsons is like seventy
years old at this point. I thought I'd be having
it by the two thousands. We're like twenty five years
into the twenty first century and we still don't have
flying cars.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I want my flying, let me just say individual flying.
But how do we get that? Well, okay, fine, there's
a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
People I notes on this, vish you're gonna like that.
I actually took notes on this.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So I was trying to tune into what was going
on in Newer because I've never been there.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
But so you've never been to Newerk No.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Thank god.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
One thing, the air traffic controlled towers. They're about forty
years old, so the question about dated, yes, hard, Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know, forty years old is not outdated. Well yet.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Sean Duffy was being interviewed about all this because I
think he got some hit back that while all this
was going down. I guess he was I don't know,
posting about eating tacos or something, and I'm like, well,
what's wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
It's gonna be yesterday, it was Tuesday. Naturally, it's taco Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
And also like he didn't know this was going to
go down. Don't blame this man.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Let him enjoys tacos. Then we can talk about air
traffic control. Okay, he doesn't have a he doesn't have
a crystal ball. He can't foresee what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I just think now I completely reject your premise that
this is a broad problem with air transit. I think
this is uniquely Newark's trashiness, which you would appreciate more
if you'd ever been there. I am banned from Newark,
New Jersey because you asked me to go give a
speech during COVID in twenty twenty one to the New
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York and Republican Club.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And this happened the New York Young Republican Club that
allegedly snuck into Jersey City last night to hold a
gala fundraiser after they couldn't find a venue in their
own city due to the pandemic. So from the videos
on social media and certainly this picture, there is no
obvious attempt to enforce social distancing or face masks. That
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guy in the middle of the tall, handsome fell in
the gray suit that is representative Matt Putts, sorry, Matt Gates,
And based on his past performances, it is obvious being
a knucklehead is not beyond the pale for him. And
that's Matt again earlier this year, kind of a scene
out of Doctor Strangelove. What a full he and they
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hope you're watching, Matt. You are not welcome in New Jersey,
and frankly, I don't ever want you back in this state.
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about kind of where we stand at this moment in
the Trump presidency. Because I've talked to a lot of
my MAGA friends who are like, oh, Fauci's not in
jail yet, Liz Cheney hasn't been strung up by your entrails.
A bunch of faceless bureaucrats haven't been frog marched on
their way to indictments or cells. And you know, this
(41:46):
isn't what we wanted. And I'm sitting there like, are
you kidding me? Donald Trump is the president of the
United States. He is totally in his bag right now.
He has sealed the border. He has got corporate America
so afraid that something might see, say DEI on it,
that they are promoting people based on merit to an
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extent that we haven't seen in the last ten years.
Our military is no longer run by a bunch of
generals and dresses anymore. And you have a resetting of
the global economy that we have needed for so long.
And because of the unique circumstances that resulted in Donald
Trump becoming the president, having four years of runway, not
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having a Democrat Congress impeaching him, not having a Democrat
Senate blocking most of his nominees, and now it might
not be all of the real estate you wanted to acquire.
But from this guy who's been around the sun forty
three times, I can tell you this isn't what you
were hoping for and praying for, and knocking on doors
for and making phone calls for. You're going to be
(42:49):
real disappointed with politics in life. Sometimes you don't get
at all. This is getting more than we ever have
at any of my time in activism or public service.
So I want to know, are you black pilled or
white pill data a LEXI, I.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Have no idea what white pilled is.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
But we're also gonna make Alcatraz great again. We're gonna
re the prison system.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
But are you as you look at the Trump presidency
or do you look at it with a sense that
the glass is half full.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Or half empty the presidency. Yeah, the best, It's the best.
In my lifetime. Trump two point zero has been so
much better than Trump. He's so much more outspoken. He
doesn't care as much about what the media thinks. I
think he doesn't want to admit it, but I think
he cared a little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Now.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
It's just like nothing's off the table.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You like unchained Trump.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I love it and I and I actually encourage the tweeting.
But see my dad, he says in his first term,
you know, he was playing it wrong and he was
ruffling too many feathers. I thought it was great because
Trump is a mastermind, and he's a masterminded social media.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
I don't even think the Alcatraz thing was real.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I think he did it to troll, but the media
runs headway with it and they don't look back. And
then you know, next thing, you know, there's the CNN
panel of six people like flipping out short circuiting about
oh my god, is Alcatraz gonna revamp again?
Speaker 4 (44:09):
And no, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Whether to have the steak out at Alcatraz or Greenland.
We don't know what's going to be invaded. First.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
He controlled it's a mind control.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, we went from CNN and staking out Roger Stone's house,
waiting for the swat raid to figure out whether or
not we get Alcastrez, Greenland or Panama next vish Are
you black pilled or white pilt?
Speaker 5 (44:28):
I am ninety five percent white pilt with a five
percent caveat. Okay, I am okay. There is so much
to be white piled about. First of all, the Overton
window is shifting at light speed at the moment. We
could not have asked for something better in America. You
wouldn't have got.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
That with a Doug Berghum or Tim Scott or Nikki
Hayley or even Aron DeSantis. Correct.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
So that is that is a huge help, and every
second that happens major win for us.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
That's one two.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Just the terms of appointment and the not what just
Trump but everybody underneath him. The kind of people we're
getting in the credentials that they'll be able to operate
in the political system in the future with is just
that is you can't put a price on that. And
so that is also something that I'm that I'm white
pilled about. And then you know, in terms of policy speed,
(45:21):
the muzzle velocity of this presidency right every day is
dumping executive orders and keeping the media on their toes
or distracted with shiny objects. I love that that pace
setting because a future president, Republican president might need to
also essentially promise that they can move at the speed
that they've seen is now possible, right in a presidency.
(45:43):
That's also good. So there are all these sort of
actions and things that are happening and the second and
third order effects of that that are just incredible, priceless,
And that's what makes me ninety five percent white build
on the presidency. But the five percent is and to
the point that you brought up where oh, CNN was
(46:03):
staking out watching Roger Stone get swatted and frog marched
out of his home, right, unlet's not let you know
unless we now forget mar Lago was raided where these
agents were sniffing the first lady's panties or we don't
know what they were doing, but they were doing something
that Milania was not very happy with. And she makes
it evident that she wasn't happy with that. And so
(46:27):
there's a certain kind of desire.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
When you're rated. It's intrusive, right, Vicius.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
Absolutely, I know firsthand highly intrusive. And but the punitive
aspect of the presidency is something I think that not
just the people with the base want to see, but
it's also the deterrence factors that we need to see
a judge, they're not putitive enough for you. No, well,
(46:55):
there's listen, man, there are people who have done us
bad the way they go after our people.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
We have, but some deterrements. It's like what we were
talking about this week on the program about Indian and Pakistan.
How does it not just become infinitely escalatory. We lock
up some of them, they lock up some of us,
We go back and forth. Is that really the world
of what you want to Once they get power, you
and I are going to need to go to a
different jurisdiction, not.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
One hundred percent, But so you have to force datent somehow, right,
You have to eventually appomatics has.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
To happen, correct, right? And don't you think Trump is
uniquely positioned to lead that moment?
Speaker 5 (47:31):
I do, But but you have to be able to
reassure your base that you're on it right, and I
don't think those signals are coming through right now. And
so that's that is what I think is that's totally
What do you.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Mean, like play by the rules? I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
No, it's not that play by the rules.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
It's like these guys have done it, have literally tried
to put so many and have successfully put so many
people of our people in jail.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I walked to the band in prison, right, and so
like that.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
We we don't see our capability to do that to them,
and I think that our our base just want to
see if we can do it.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
If we can, that's a that's a dangerous lust to indulge,
my friend. Okay, dangerous lust.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
What's what's the what deterns factors can we do? You
think are are going to work in lieu of that
so they stop putting our people in jail even when
they do get power, which they eventually will pardon.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Well, yeah, I think that the the restorative efforts like
pardons are are one component to show that they don't
just get the ability to dictate those outcomes. And I
think that following the facts in the law appropriately to
appropriate actions like the arresting of this judge that was
human trafficking somebody through her chambers and away from federal
(48:49):
law enforcement is the right way. But but to just
be banging our chests wanting scalps is not is not
something that's going to tell people.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
That's part of the reason, by the way that people
well from the left left, that.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
Was the whole point. They sound great crazy, their party
was getting.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I mean, remember when Biden, five minutes before we actually
handing things over, he did that preemptive parton faut you right,
and that was like one of the people I wished
to see in prison more than anybody, And that pissed everybody.
I think that pissed a lot of Actually people on
the left.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Hold. I know some people they're big animal lovers, and
they were like, what the heck.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Well, that's the thing again, this part.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
Then okay, if you don't take this aspect that I'm
talking about these punitive measures, and you say, oh, well
there's the pardon aspect of this too, well, then is
that is that? The next is that the new paradigm
Every president five minutes before their way out essentially pardons
preemptive pardons all his operatives and all his apparatus underneath.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
What does that open the door to, That opens the
door to, like, I don't know, a future president. Acossio
Cortes pardoning MS thirteen member kilmar Abrego Garcia out of
a virtues and how do we deter that? But that
is all the time we have this fascinating discussion with
the both of you. Thank you to my ginger for
joining us on this program. Or remember you can watch
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