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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Now it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Yates
and Dan Ball.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, everybody, welcome in to another edition of the Anchorman Podcast.
I'm Dan Ball alongside Riley Lewis, a couple of your
uh Anchorman talk show hosts here at OAM, the one
American news network. And if you're just tuning in for
the first time, after how many months we've been doing
these now?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Is it two or three?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What are you talking about? It's only four. Really, we
started doing them in early February. Oh wow, it's June rightly.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
The time is just it's moving too quickly.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Is this because you have a new lady in your life?
Is this why you're losing track of time or that?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
And uh and the news cycle and everything else. I
guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I know, it's just uh, I mean, it's too much.
The country's been a little unsettled these last few weeks. Right,
that's a way to put it right, whether it's well
when the mainstream media is out there lying to people
about let's before we get into the war stuff, let's
just start with the big war here at home in
the streets, and that's on immigration, right, and all these
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people who have been lied to by Democrats in the
mainstream media who are telling them that Trump's a king
and he's kicking out black and brown people because he's racist.
And you got to take to the streets LA and
New York and you got to burn shit. Yeah, that
makes a lot of sense. Good job liberals. Yes, so
that obviously has been taking up the airwaves.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But what happened to those I mean they all, well,
they're one dumb day and then.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We've got a war between Israel and I ran. No,
that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But I mean the immigration stuff just well, they had
their big king stuff last night. No one bought into
the astroturft probably deep state production, ridiculous riots right.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, because we know they're all paid for. I mean
you and I in this network helped to expose it.
We know that these aren't organic protests against Trump's immigration policies.
These are paid for riots. Yes, let's be real. Excuse me,
that's what they are. Period. I mean, track the money.
There's that one dude, what's his name, that's got tied
to the CCP, whose organization has been funding all kinds
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of it. I mean, you don't have palettes of bricks
showing up on street corners, beautiful pre made signs. Okay,
go back to the Summer of Love when those riots
were happening, right, Remember the videos of U haul trucks
pulling up. They don't open the back door. Dudes would
jump up, grab a sign, grab a sign, grab some brick.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I mean, but unlike, but unlike now. I mean, those
been on for months and months. They did billions of
dollars of property damage. They were burning holes.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh, don't think they're over. It's not over, right, You
don't think it's over now, Really, no, it's not over.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Okay, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Trump just said this week he's stepping up the immigration
raids by ice, specifically in blue states and blue cities.
He's going to step like double or ties. Yeah. So
if he's gonna double or triple it like this week,
next week, you think those protests are done? No, No,
all right, all right, they're gonna keep this crap going.
They're gonna milk this as long as they can. That's
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what the radical left, that's what they do. Period.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, I get that we've talked about this before. Their
hatred for Trump and America. It's the only glue that
holds their weird coalition of self hating people together. But
how long can that go on for?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, when you got no policy, rally right, right, all
you can do is identity politics, right right, think about it.
All the liberals do is class warfare, sure, rich versus
the billionaires, race warfare. Right. Oh, it's the whites against
blacks and browns. They're racist, maga, people are racist. Bs
to war, not to war? You war mongering? You this
your neo coun Oh male female? Oh? Women? Men take
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transgender versus straight? Right? Everything is identity politics with the
left because they have no policy.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, well they're losing that fight too, by the way,
as evidenced by this huge win in Tennessee this week
for parents. Yeah, for morality, major victory. If you haven't heard,
google this because this is game changing. That fight's over,
by the way. There's still ways to challenge what's going
on with the Supreme Court, but they really really rebuked
what the radical left has been doing to kids in
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this country.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, it's about time. And if you don't know, it's
the Supreme Court. It's upholding Tennessee legislator's law that you
can't mutilate miners period. Correct, No transgender surgeries, puberty blockers,
or any of that garbage. Yes for anybody under eighteen correct,
and six of three, which again should point to how
radical and asinine liberals are. The three liberal female justices
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on our Supreme Court get a descent against backing up
Tennessee legislators who created a law what a year or
so ago banning doctors from providing hormone therapy or any
surgeries to minors. No more cutting off the breast and
the penises of a healthy twelve year old because their
parents are virtue singling whack nut jobs.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Do you have you thought? Why not controversial at all?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Why is there any descent?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Because again, it's identity politics. Because the left knows the
right says no way in hell, So they've got to
say black. If we say white, they say black, We
say red, they say blue. We say turn left, they
turn right, We say stop, they say go think about it.
But when have you seen Democrats agree in anything recently
with Republicans that's good for this nation, that's good for
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all of the people. Yeah, no, Well that's just has
there been any coming together a policy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
There's identity politics, and then there's just reality. Who was
it on the show that was saying that the left
has waged a war against reality? Was that Joe Bob?
That might have been Joe last week?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Maybe, yeah, but that's how far it's gone. So it is,
this is beyond.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think you're right. I think you did say, yeah,
waging a war against reality.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean puberty blockers for five year olds.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And it's not just the transgender issue for five year
olds though. It's not just a transgender it's no, it's
it's the border. Yes, right, it's we can just have
open borders, you'll be safe and fine. No, that's not
living in reality. Yeah right. Illegals have total due process.
I'm sorry. If you snuck in and didn't go through
a port of entry, uh huh, and you're here and
we find you, and your record is you murdered two
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people in Ecuador and we're shipping your ass back. You
don't get due process. You're not even a citizen. You're
a criminal. And oh, by the way, you're a criminal
within the United States because you entered illegally and broke
our federal immigration laws.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Look, due process is important. It's a cornerstone of this country.
But you sacrifice the right to that when you come
here illegally. And I don't understand why that's controversial either.
I don't think it really is, because you can go
back not that long ago. Hillary Clinton talking about deportations,
I know when Barack Obama deported three million people, where
were the riots?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
They all said, when George Bush deported two million, we're
a nation of immigrants. What we're a riation of laws?
Clinton said it, Obama said it, y w said it.
But when Trump says it, Riley, you're a racist. Anyway.
So we got the riots, we got the Supreme Court decision. Obviously,
we got the war between Israel and Iran. People were
forgetting about the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
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I haven't heard anything about that in the last week
or two because all it's been is what should we
do with Iran and America stay out? And now a
bunch of infighting with Republicans and the mega base. And
I'll tell you what as a and I'm going to
say this as a fifty year old man, being in
media since I was eighteen, and being a regis Republican
since I was eighteen, and always voting with conservative Christian
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American values in mind. We do this every time. Can
y'all stop it? That's one thing I'll give the left
credit for, except right now they are very fragmented. But
up until now, the Democrats every two four, six years,
whatever the race is, man, they banned together. They don't
have all this infighting. I don't know what it is
with conservatives. Okay, but every time we get a big
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win and we get in control, then all we want
to do is infight. Yes, and then now all you're
doing is turning off the voters who aren't die hard
to our cause, and even some that are die hard
to the American first mega cause. So can y'all please
stop the damn infighting? Okay? Stop. President Trump's at the reins,
he's got it. He's going to figure out what to
do with Iran. I think it'll be the right call.
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Everybody's like, oh, but he's got Neil cons telling him
in warmongers and this is going to be a rack
two point Oh, this is not a rack two point
zh no. And I also don't think that I heard
some of their day say, well, Bibby and the Jews
got us into I RAQ, And I'm like, what are
you talking about No, no, no, no, no, you knew got
us into a wrack. Our vice president, Dick Cheney got
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us into Iraq. I mean they had to convince and
beg Colin Powell and Condoley's a rice to take us
to war. And then remember Colin even want to go
to the UN and NATO and say please come with us,
have a coalition, and w didn't care. He got convinced
easily by Dicky because he wanted to go kill the
guy that put a contract on his daddy's head. HW. Bush. Yeah,
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so this is not a rack two point zh and
Trump is not w No, but they stop it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The infighting has been very disappointing, eye opening.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Man, it's discussed.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Instead of going after each other, why don't we just
have a reasonable and honest conversation about America's national interests
and what would be best for this country. Yeah, that's
what Trump ran on as protecting the American people and
our interests.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Amen, plain and simple, and keeping America first. And if
he believes that Iran getting a nuke and not getting
a nuke is in America's best interest, not Israel's, then
Trump would know because he gets security briefings, we don't get.
So for all of the pundits, all the social media influencers,
all the talk show hosts, whether they're that, other networks, this,
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I don't care who you are. Everybody out there pontificating
that we're gonna go to war and don't go to war.
And this is against what Trump said. And now they're
throwing Trump under the bus and other folks under the
bus in the movement, shut the hell up and sit
down for a second. We're not at war number one,
just because he moved battle groups into the region. For
you idiots who have never served, that's called posturing. Okay,
when you're negotiating, like the art of the deal maker, guy,
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is you posture? He's not Churchill, He's not you know,
speak softly and carry a big stick. He's speak loudly
and carry a bigger stick. And so he's posturing to
make it known surrender because here we are and you're surrounded.
Does he want to hit Does he want to put
us in a war? Hell no? And I get that.
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Folks within our own movement think that the neocons and
military in nests are complex in DC is going to
push him to push us into a war. He's Trump,
and it's his second term, after he's been shot and
litigated against and all the crap they've thrown at him.
You think he's going to do what they tell him
to do. He's going to do what's right for the
movement of the American people, like he promised us on
the campaign trail. He's been doing it so far. Look
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at the border correct, Look at the economy. The tariffs
are working, even though people were freaking out, aren't they.
Look at all the new trade deals, the border, most
secure numbers we've seen ever in history. He's keeping his promise.
He's not going to put us in a freaking endless war.
So for everybody out there again, just stop it. I
know you want to get clicks and likes and downloads
and be controversial so you can monetize your accounts and
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whatever the hell you do.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
But stop it anyway. Should we get to our guest, Yes,
I want to hear his thoughts about Oh he's got
something to say, Yeah, I really do, he's got some
so please yeah, let's bring him on.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, So our guest tonight, Special guy comes on a
lot of the talk shows here on Oaan has his
own podcast, but background I thought fitting for this week
because with the riots and the investigations into who's funding
the riots and everything else, with all the push to
get the files, whether it's the EPSTEIN, the JFK, the RFK,
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the UFO files, everything there, you need somebody that worked
for the FBI, right, and then with us possibly going
to war, I thought a soldier would be good. Well,
how about a Navy seal? Well, we get a two
for tonight because our guest tonight is Jonathan Gilliam, who
happens to be oh, by the way, former Navy seal,
former FBI special agent. So, without further ado, where's Jonathan Jared?
(11:50):
Can we bring him up? I hope he's wait and
he told me he was there he is, Hey, what's up, Jonathan?
How you doing?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Brother? Hey?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I thought you said that you were covering the life
of male models. That's why I came on here. I
didn't know it was because my military law enforcement background.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Right, So you put your totally different you put your
nice tight fitted shirt on for the modeling picks and
shined up the dome and you're ready to go. Right,
I'm ready for my close up, Mister demil is that you.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
On the side, even trimmed it from the side. It
looked good.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You look good. You look good, Jonathan. Night to see
you again. So before we get into all the things
that we were just kind of precursoring here before you
came on, I want to know how Jonathan Gilliam because
I don't know a lot about the personal life. Bro.
We've talked a little bit behind the scenes before you
come on and do interviews on the talk show side,
But how does one And I would assume Navy seal
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came first then FBI because of the age thing. Let's
be real, seals aren't fifty years old usually when they start.
So I want to know how Jonathan went. Tell me
where Jonathan grew up, and how you got in the Seals,
how long you served, what you did, and then we'll
get into the FBI. But just give us that background
of being a Navy seal because I know a few
and I know it's hard as hell. I had a
buddy I graduated high school with that tried twice and
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failed out twice. Wow, Yeah, it's that hard, bro. What's
the percentage out of the how many flunk out?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I mean, on average, it's about I'd say a quarter
of the people make it through, So you're talking about
seventy five percent don't make it. There's been a class
where nobody made it. There's been classes where one or
two people made it through.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They don't cut you know, corners to get put to
push people through. I mean there's been some people that
I think perhaps shouldn't have made it through. But overall,
you know, even those guys were hard.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Obama right was at a DEI acceptance known as kidding.
So and let me let me I want to know
something about seals because we're very close to seal training
right here in San Diego, right down to the Coronado
and stuff where I'm sure Jonathan is familiar in the movies.
Is it true they don't flunk you out. You have
to ring out if you if you're a quitter, you
ring out. You don't get thrown out. What's the what's
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the reality there?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, I mean they it's the Navy. They can get
rid of you if they want to.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I mean, if you're if you're not meant to be there,
they can drop you and get you out of there.
But by and large, it's a volunteery it's a voluntary
process to go there, so you also have to volunteer
yourself out. So if you decide you want to quit,
it is part of the policy that you go and
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you ring the bell and then you set your helmet
down and you ring the bell three times, set your
helmet down, and so by the end of really the
end of Hell Week is kind of the end of
that process of quitting. You have other individuals may get
sick or get hurt, and so they'll be recycled. I
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have heard that they were now putting people back out
on the fleet if they got hurt or sick.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I don't know if that's the case or not.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
But you would when I was in you get recycled
and you would kind of sit in a limbo doing
whatever physical training you could, and then the next class,
if you were good enough, you'd roll back and you
do a class up.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Solly g I, Jane and Demi Moore kind of got
it right in that if you give up, you got
to go ring that bell.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So the movie got it right, Okay, because you know,
you never know, Hollywood, let's be real. Yeah, we can
start ripping on that. Yeah, And you were ready for
your close up. So I mean, if they make a
new Navy Seal movie, Hey Hollywood, I'm there, and Gilliam's ready,
He's ready.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I'm there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I may have to wear a wig, but I don't know.
I think it looks good like this, But but yeah,
it is. It's really that hard. And I think the
hardest thing that most people don't ever talk about is
the fact that you most guys that get there, they
are that they that's been a focus of their career.
You don't just show up, sure and beast your way
through it, right. There's guys that have trained to the
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point like myself where when I got in there, I
was in Olympic caliber shape. I mean I could have
stepped on to a football field and being able to
compete with any of the athletes that were on those
In fact, we have collegiate athletes that come there or
alternates for the Olympic team. And you know, there's a
guy in my class that was an alternate for the
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Olympic swim team. But there was another guy that was
there that you know, the guy that was the swimmer,
the Olympic swimmer. This guy was like six foot something,
you know, looked all American. But there's another guy. I
won't say his his name, but I'll just say Stuart, right,
and he's actually still a good friend of mine. But Stu,
Stu is about five, I don't know, five six five seven.
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He's white, but grew up in Jamaica and is the
greatest natural athlete I've ever seen in my life. He
wasn't a collegiate athlete nothing, but they put him on
the seven mile ocean swim with the guy that was
the the collegiate swimmer and the the Olympic stand by,
and and Stu was talking to him the entire time
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they were swimming, like that's how incredible of an athlete's
too us?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
And so there you get guys like that. Yeah, you
know they say it's.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
More physical or mental when people ring the bell or
is it about even.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Well, it all comes down to mental.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It all comes down to middal because we have proven
is that you could be in good shape or great shape.
Let's say you're in great shape, but you don't have
the mental capacity to handle the cold. Maybe you develop
a stress fracture and you don't have the mental capacity
to fight through it, or it's just depressing to be
there because every day it's miserable. So you'll see guys
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who are spectacular athletes, never failed anything in their life,
and they'll just say, this isn't for me because psychologically,
not only are you dealing with the physicalness, but you're
really opening up your soul and saying, I am going
to rise above this thing that I am and become
this thing that I and that I intend to be.
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And I think that is what differentiates you know, when
you meet a seal, they may be humble or they
may be the most ego driven person you ever met,
but there's a common thing in all of them, and
that is that whatever they're tasked with, it doesn't matter
if they're if they've done it before, they will figure
out how to do it better than anybody else because
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we know inside of ourselves that there's nothing anybody can
do that we can't do as well, because we can
tell ourselves we're capable of this. And I think that's
what comes out of buds and the men that get
that are the men that will make it through. And
I think knowing that you're gonna make it before you
get there, deciding that is a part of that. You know,
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when I got there, I already knew there's nothing they
can do to make me quit.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I didn't know how bad it was going to be,
but I had in my brain that I will not quit,
and and I faced myself. There were tears shed, there
were moments of sheer, terror and pain, and.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
But I didn't what else am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know, I quit the heart and it's probably not
well some older folks.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
No, no, no, Now now is a totally different story.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, you know, my body now would be crying.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So it makes you, It makes me wonder Jonathan. So
on the flip side, then, when you're going into that,
I mean, how do you prepare mentally? Because you get
people that train physically. I guess morning, noon, and night.
You diet, you exercise, But what can you do about that?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Because and how old were you? Were you in the
Navy before a different job and then you switched over, Like,
give us that background on how you made that transition
into being a seal.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I decided that I wanted to do well.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I wrote a timeline out for my life when I
was in college, and I wrote, you know, this is
present and this is death, and this are all the
things that I want to do in between, and so
that was one of the things I decided I wanted
to do and I started training for it mentally though,
I have three sisters and no brothers, so I grew
up in the middle of nowhere in Arkansas and was
beat up by girls for the.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
First part of my life. So I think that was
the driving factor to do this.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And by the way, you see it's on the screen.
I found pictures of you with hair.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Oh yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Look at that and no beer man.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Look at that beard.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
See look at that proud American badass.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I have not much of a chin.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's why I love beards, because it's a man's plastic surgery.
You know, you can you can just grow a beard
and all of a sudden you look like you got
a strong, you know, spartan chin.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
How many years were you in where'd you deploy and
what teams were you on?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So I Team four the whole time. I had a
short career. So I was twenty eight when I went
through buds.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Wow and young young, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So I was older and all those years of training.
You know, it wasn't like I just decided to go.
I started training when I was in college. I was
on the six year program when I was in college,
and so you know, I I once I got in there,
it took me three years. Once I graduated college, it
took me three years of applying to get a slot
as an officer. I grew up trailer park, trash and poor.
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I should have gone and listed because I was not
on the same mental capacity as the Naval Academy. But
you know, I get in there and made it through
and got to Seal Team four, and we were at
that point each team had their own air of operation.
So I was Central South America and spent my entire
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time doing FID missions, which is Foreign Internal Defense where
we go down and we're the advisors in country. And
so I was in Columbia while they were basically at
war Honduras when it was the most dangerous place in
the world.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And so we're talking the early nineties.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
You were in, Yeah, the team.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I got in in ninety seven and left in two
thousand and two and then jumped straight into the Air Marshals.
But while I was in there, I went also went
through ranger school. Because we do exchanges with other branches,
we can go through their training they can't go through hours.
And so I went through Army Ranger School, and man,
I'll tell you one from steal training into that with
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such an incredible experience because I had proved myself there's
nothing that I can't do. But when I got into
Ranger school, I realized how little I knew about leadership.
And man, it is an amazing leadership school to lead
people who at three o'clock in the morning have no
motivation to do anything. And so you got to lead
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those guys and motivate them. And and I'm telling you
that amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I got to read the I gotta read the Jonathan Baylemore.
So you graduate college, you become a Navy seal, then
you're a ranger, then you're an Air marshal, and then
the FBI comes into play. What or was between?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I missed and I was actually a police officer while
I was waiting those three years, you know, while I
was waiting to be a seal to get that seal
slot for Officer candidate school, I was a cop for
just a short period of time.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And so where how about you do you feel right
now with art motivated? Like plan listen to this guy
like I mapped it all out, and I was going
to go from from a baby to death and I'm
gonna do all these twenty seven things. And right now
I'm only fifty something. I've done twenty six of them. Like,
who does that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well going John? Well, it was Camp Rompston, Arkansas. So
that's through outside of North Little Rock. Uh, And it's
a I was a state police officer, not a state tub,
but a state police officer. And and so went from
there to the to the seal teams, to the Air Marshals.
Then I did contracting after that because the Air Marshall
program it just was not for me. That was a
year of uh just put a chair in a corner
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in a in a room and just sit there for
five hours. That That's what it was like being air marshal.
And but the potential of going zero to one thousand.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Right was there?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You could always on edge. When did you get though
after nine to eleven? Then when we created the.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Two thousand April two thousand and two, Wow, so I
was flying.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
After not Well, you're one of the original air marshals then.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, there were there were fifty air marshals before that.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
When I went in, it had just grown.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So I was flying September eleventh, two thousand and two,
where we had threats on our plane actually, and so
we were trans continent. We were going across the our
transnational across the United States, and so it was it
was an interesting job, but it was that's a tough job.
(24:24):
It's not tough because it's physical tough. It's tough because
you sit on a plane and then you go to
a hotel and you got maybe eight to ten hours
to get back on a plane. So you're not eating good,
you're not working out, and I went from being stellar
shaped to being you know, not stellar shape.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So it was rough.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
How was that experience for you mentally? Was it just
like anguish torture you didn't like anything.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Because you were used to high energy stuffs for years.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Did it feel like you were just kind of pigeonholed
in a box and you just had to get out?
Like what was that like?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, so the way I looked at it was I
was on like I was working and I was ready
for a fight. And so for a sea to go
from doing that to becoming an air marshal, it was
an interesting experience because I was thinking tactically all the time,
and I was trying to you know, really dressed down
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and not look like I had a gun on me
and you know, doing.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
All these things too. Yeah, but I would do tactically.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
How does that work? So I was ready to get
your gun on. No, I'm just kidding. Can't tell us
that I'm just joking. Don't give us any secrets, okay.
So I mean, wow, So now when we talk about
these riots with you, pretty soon you can come at
it from a law enforcement angle too, because I didn't
even know he was a cop. All right, get us
up to the FBI, because you've been on the program before,
the talk shows that is talking about the corrupt FBI
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and how things need to be cleaned out. And you
and I just had this discussion not too long ago
about Cash and Dan Bongino and what they need to
be doing at the FBI. So get us up to that. Then.
Was it after air marshaling that you then went in?
What years you go in the FBI? And then I
know that you were you're listening as a special agent.
What does that mean? So fill us in on the
FBI beginnings.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Right after right after air marshal training, I went. I
became a contractor with a company it's no longer around.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
But it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It was all former Seal Team six and Red Sale
guys and Army Special Forces. Is a lot of the
guys that were in Mogadishu. Some of them work there.
So I basically had an extension of the Seal Teams
for three years, working with these individuals that were, i
mean top of their game when the stuff started. I
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was working with guys who were working with remote control
airplanes and explosives back in the eighties. So like what's
happening now in the Ukraine, they were doing that way
back when the drug So.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You're doing it with the model airplanes. I remember hearing
about that when I was a teenager, that like CIA
Special Force event they're using we're using model airplanes, model
little boats and putting bombs on them. Oh yeah, that's
the stuff that are the CIA and covert operatives like him.
If you're a contractor, yeah, that's the way you do it.
I mean that was And now we have a drone
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that you can go to you know, best Buy and
get one.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And going right over there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So all right, so the FBI comes home, So I.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Was there for three years, learned amazing things and learned
how to what my book is about where I learned
really had to hone my skills in targeting from an
attacker's point of view and then learning how to reverse that,
because that was one of the things I did, was
teaching people how to do that as part of we
were contracted to Homeland Security.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So then I applied to the FBI.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And interestingly enough, I applied to the FBI, and I
don't know if it was DEI or what, but the
application got set to the side, and then three years
working with this company AMTI, I called FBI.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I was like, listen, I.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Never heard anything back from you, and they said, well,
you know, give us a second. They looked it up
with it six months I was in the academy. So
then I'm in the academy. I graduate from the FBI
Academy and I get signed to New York and I
was on the Asian Organized Crime Task Force, which was
the busiest squad in.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
All of the FBI.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
We were we had more arrest and more stats than
anybody else I were.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
In charge of. You said, the Asian what were you
guys doing back then?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well, we were part of the the criminal enterprise or
organized crime at that point, and so we were part
of the Organized Crime uh UH division of the New
York Office of the FBI. So so we we were
working with Asian criminal enterprises basically, you know, any mostly
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Korean and Chinese, and so I got to see a
lot of what China does. And we were saying then
the same thing that we were saying back when I
was a seal about the southern border.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
We were saying about how.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
The the the Chinese were. All these immigrants were coming
over and being housed basically in New York and anywhere
there's a China town around the country, and nobody even
gives them a second thought. But yet they're all out
there every day doing tai chi, and tai chi is
a form of martial arts. And these people nobody even
knows that they lived there. They've been they're packed in there.
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We're talking millions. And we always thought that, man, somebody
could just turn these guys on, like who knows why
they came there. They go there and they live in
the same poverty they lived in China. So they're there
living the same way. What if all those people are
Chinese cells. Nobody's even thought.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Of that, So it would have been mid two thousands
you were working there.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, two thousand. I got there in two thousand and
five and two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Okay, so post nine to eleven, but still twenty years ago,
and you're looking at that stuff twenty years ago. Now
let's fast forward today. We got the bio on Jonathan.
Are there any more jobs that you did that I'm missing?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, while I was in the Bureau, I worked other
places in there, but I also did the main thing
that I did was I went over to counter Terrorism
and I worked I ran the Special Events Unit, So
I took all of the targeting stuff that i'd you know,
being an attacker, being a defender and working at A
and TI, and then I was able to apply that
to the FBI, where I would go around the city
(30:05):
of New York and look at plays and say, Okay,
I think this is a potential target, this event is
a potential target, So this is how I would attack it.
I'd write up in operations order and then would be
the onseene liaison. When we did someth like New Years
I was for New Year's Times Square.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I was yeah, anniversary at nine to eleven. Right, big
events there yet, Right, So that's what you were the
because most people is called FBI agent. You were an
FBI special agent in charge.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
But we're all a special agent. If you're a special agent,
you're a special agent.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And then so but there are FBI analysts and there's
FBI police, which are the uniform guys. They're not special agents.
So we're eighteen eleven special agent. So I left there
in twenty thirteen, opened up a company. I got this
very wealthy client that was paying me to do crisis management.
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So I was able to take all the experience and apply.
He was interesting individual basically was worth over one hundred
million at one point, had all these medical offices and
patents and all this stuff. And we got in there
and did I did my due diligence and found out
that he in four months found out that he was
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actually bankrupt, and so that contract that was paying a
lot within within eight months after finding out that he
was bankrupt, he killed himself. So that was the beginning
of my civilian career. And then so from that point forward,
you know, I've done crisis management, and.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So you've been an independent type contractor working for yourself
the last dozen years after twenty years of service in
tons of positions Air Marshall, FBI special agent, a State trooper,
and a Navy seal and a ranger. Holy, and you're how.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Old Jonathan fifty five?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
He got like four years on me. Jeezus, I feel
like a up on a law same. Yeah, this is
I went in as a journalist in the Air Force
when I was eighteen, I got out. I went to
work in television as a cameraman and then worked my
way up to a national talk show. And that's all
I've done.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If I if I could, though, Jonathan, just again, because
I think you're you said your upbringing had to do
with this, but just genuinely, where does that drive come from?
Because I feel like that's missing so much and.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Getting out of the trailer park. Yeah, I mean I
can relate, Like I said, brother, is it just being hungry?
That really it was my drive. I've had two three
jobs my whole life, so I can relate. Nothing as
badass as you. But like I was always doing sales
plus news plus something else. I would work, work, work,
Get that, I mean, not these types of.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I'm not trying to blow smoke it's it's legitimate. I
just I don't there are a lot of it's hard
to find people these days that have that sense of.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And watch it. You're throwing your own generation under the bus.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
How I am. I know, and I apologize, but it's
really true. It's an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I think they might need. Although some of the bros
from the Bros Summer might disagree with you because they're outworking,
But those are conservatives.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Sure, and any look in any generation, you'll find lazy people, sure, certainly, yeah,
who are motivated.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
But if we could clone this guy, we wouldn't have
a lot of problems with lazy Americans.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
We don't want two of these rolling around.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Though.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
We'll make the next one prettier. We'll make the next
one pretty here, Jonathan, all right, now we can get
the current events, because that's one of the main reasons
I wanted to have you on. But we need to
spend some background time so folks understand what this guy says.
He's got just a smidge of experience in what he's
talking about. So with all these jobs and with all
the unrest that's going on in the country, I guess
(33:31):
we can start with top of mind and that would
be Iran, Israel and US involvement. And then I'd like
to bring it back home and talk about the paid
for riots on immigration and hit immigration and the protests,
and we could maybe do some law enforcement. Should Derek
chauven get pardon because he didn't kill George Floyd.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Anyway, too, if we have time, cash Dan.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Cash the files. I know Jonath's big on releasing the
files and getting rid of the corruption. So let's get
your take as a former Navy seal and you said ranger.
So we're talking special forces here, folks. And if we
do something in Iran, which I fully trust that President
Trump will not be listening to the warmongers and send
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boots on the ground, I think the only thing he
may do if he does anything in the two weeks
he said today, I'm going to take two weeks and
decided in two weeks might be one of the bunkerbuster
bombs from the B two hit that whatever it's called
fordoh fourda place right, Whether they've got the nukes, yep. Sure,
And that's it. And I hope that's all he does,
if he does anything, because maybe diplomacy will work, maybe
the Jews will take him out and I totally be dead.
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Who the hell knows, but for a guy that's got
this resume, I'm gonna know what Dilliam thinks.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It's interesting, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So first of all, answering the one question about what
keeps somebody like me going high, I do all the stuff?
Is that now, and I'll show you how this relates
to this other question? Is that you know, when you
have somebody who, like my mom always told me there's
nothing I can't do. So she'd kind of built me
up to believe in myself. My faith in God has
always been very very strong, in Jesus and the fact
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that there was a price paid for my life, right,
So that's always been my motivation is I'm here and
I trust me. I spend a lot of time doing nothing.
I mean, try writing a book that is being lazy
with a purpose, right, So that There's been lots of
times when I wasn't doing anything right. So, but I've
always been driven, and I'm much better when I'm actually
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working when I have work, Like I have clients now,
one particular client that you know, I have many of
my guys working on these world tours with them, And
when I'm busy, I'm at my best, and the military
is the same way. So the president has to weigh
these options. He has to weigh the option the fact
that you have the military industrial complex. It's always wanting
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you to go to war, and people have to realize
that's not just contract contractor companies that make the weapons.
This is also politicians who get paid for that. It's
talking heads who get paid for saying this or that, yep,
and so you know, we the president has to realize
that all those things are in play. You have the
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military industrial complex that wants to create wars. You have
war fighters who are like, war should not be elusive
to us. I used to have a friend who was
a seal, and we were always angry because we didn't
get to go in We went into Columbia, but we
didn't get to fight in Columbia. We just went and
trained them. And so we were always in agreement that
war should not be elusive to a seal. And so
(36:38):
you have guys like that that are ready, they are
ready to go, and pilots are the same way, they're
ready to do that mission. So the president has to
weigh all that on top of the fact that you
have all these talking heads that are coming out and
somehow have discovered that in their talking points the same
as the left, that all of a sudden, Israel is
the enemy of the world.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And so he has to Jonathan, why are all of
a sudden do we have people in the Mega America
First movement and right wingers out there saying that Jews
are the devil like and that they're the aggressors and
they're the problem. Listen, you don't have to agree with Bibby.
You don't agree with his administration, just like I didn't
agree with Joe Biden and his regime. But I don't
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hate America and Americans because I hated Joe Biden's administration.
I uh yeah. Everybody yacking on social media and firing
people up with anti Semitism. I saw a guy the
other day say that he thought that, you know, what
we've been told about World War two was a fairy
tale about the Jews, like Auschwitz was a fairy tale.
Are you what did you not? Are you too young
(37:43):
to see the videos and the pictures of the body
stacked up and the bulldozers putting them in, and the
big furnaces, the images of when American troops went into
some of the camps and they were like seventy nine
pound adults begging for help through the fences. Oh yeah,
that's a fairy tale. It's all six and a half
billion people didn't freaking die because they were Jews eighty
years ago. It's like, who the hell made that up?
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And you're right, Jonathan, well thing.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Those people that are pushing that stuff, you could ask them,
like I'm watching this documentary about the Six Day War
that Israel had against many different nations there and that
happened twenty years after that they had become a nation,
But I didn't realize there were settlers there for many
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years before they actually became a nation and were recognized
as a nation, and they had been taunted, you know,
settlers have been had been attacked and killed for over
twenty years.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Talking modern times that you said your biblical and believing
in Jesus and God, so to whine. If you go
way back, okay and pull up different verses in different books,
it tells you point blank that God is for the
people of Jerusalem, and if you go against the nation
of Jerusalem and the Jews, you're going to against them.
Now there's Christians that say, well, we don't like Jews
because the older Jews don't believe in Jesus. And I
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understand that you think that, and that's okay that they
don't because that's their religion. But maybe that's part of
God's plan because think about it Old Testament in Jews, right,
And if you go back to when Jesus was crucified,
the Romans didn't really care either way. It was the
Jews that brought Jesus to them and said, hey, he's
out telling lies. He's the son of our God. You
got to get rid of this crap. It's causing unrest
(39:25):
in our community. And the Romans are like, yeah, we
don't really care what's happening with you Jews, but okay,
to appease you, we'll go flog him and crucify him
and all that, and they did. It was that God's plan. Yeah,
So why are you going against the people that he
chose to first share his word with the world. Then
he used those people again to have his son die
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on the cross to forgive us of our sins. So
how could you go against those people again? Notice I
didn't say Israel the country christ or Bibbi's administration. I'm
talking about the Jewish people who've been almost exterminated, yes,
over the centuries, not just World War Two. They've been
exterminated almost over the centuries because of who they are. Now,
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I don't know anybody else on the planet that's had
that type of persecution by multiple people that wanted them dead. Muslims, Christians,
like lots of people over the centuries have wanted Jews dead.
And I don't know, Jonathan. You know current numbers between
America and Israel where most Jews are, there's about sixteen
sixteen and a half million left on the whole planet.
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So and when I hear this whole thing, some of
their days said, oh, well, if we want a rand
to give up their nukes, tell Israel to give up
their nukes.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Oh I know exactly who that was.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So, Jonathan, fill me in on this. If somebody's trying
to create a nuke to kill people versus somebody's trying
to have a nuke to defend themselves, I look at
its the same way that I have a CCW. I
went and followed the law to get my CCW to
carry a gun, not to kill people, to protect my family.
The Iranians are trying to make a nuke to kill
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the little Devil and the big Devil. The Iatola has
told you that for forty six years. How stupid are
you people that are defending Iran. The people that live
in Iran right now are posting videos cheering on the
attacks of Israel because they want the Iatolin's regime gone.
Now again, that doesn't mean I'm warmongering. I'm no Zionists
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that's getting paid or a shill for Israel. Biby doesn't
call me and send me money. I'm just going off
of biblical facts being a Christian. Also, what I know
of fifty some years on this rock of what the
Iotolins regime has said to us and the world that
they want the little and big devil dead, and that
you're trying to create a nuke, not to give your
country energy, but to kill the devils you think that
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are devils. Israel has a new to protect themselves. Why
do we have nukes, Jonathan, because we're trying to kill people.
Why does America have the most nukes out.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
There to deter I mean to deter and to ensure
that we have the equal footing against those who want
to kill us. I mean, it's the same thing where
you're just talking about a minute ago. We were talking
about this last night, is that you know I have guns.
I didn't go out and buy those guns so I
could for the purpose of killing some man. I bought
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those guns for the purpose of defending myself. And if
somebody goes to a gun store and says I want
to buy a gun because I'm going to kill somebody,
see how that works out.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, right, they don't sell you that guns.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's the same thing if you have a nuke, or
if you're working to get a nuke, and you tell
the world the purpose of me having this nuke is
so that I can eliminate Israel off the map.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Forty years And what is Trump said for twenty years
they cannot have a nuke. Now, I know that plenty
of folks on our side now are going this is
a rack two point zero. They've been saying they're this
close to enriching uranium and making a nuke for twenty
thirty years. It's the Jews and Bibbi lying to us.
And We're not going to get drugg into another freaking
twenty one year war over bs weapons of mass destruction.
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Guess what, folks, you got two veterans on the show.
You think we want our brothers and sisters to go
to a freaking war. Of course we don't. And this
isn't weapons of mass destruction? They are trying? Are they?
Forty percent? Sixty percent, seventy percent? In Richmond? I think
you have to reach what eighty eight eighty nine percent
to make a nuke? I don't know. I don't know
what the intelligence shows. Trump knows, and I trust Trump
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to do what's right. He has said constantly we will
not get in another endless war. He was the first
president in our lifetimes not to get us into a
war on his first term. I trust the man. Now, Jonathan,
how about.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
You're the only president in my entire lifetime?
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Well yeah, because you're twenty six.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Well, but the point is, the point is I think
it's important to make that very clear. I'm glad you
said that in my entire living experience, literally my whole
not my adult life, my entire freaking life.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Well, yeah, we've been around since like Johnson, Uh, well
he ate, Well wait here, you're fifty five. I'm trying
to go back to Carter and Ford, and then before Ford.
So I was only Ford. I was seventy four. Who
was in seventy four? It was Ford? Right, yeah, it
was fo Yeah, it was for yes, so Ford, Carter, Reagan,
hw Clinton, so back so yeah eight.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Now so I got back into Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama,
Donald Trump, Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And all of them worse.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah and so, and I'm looking at Trump and I'm thinking,
so he comes in, even before he gets in offices,
we're gonna end this thing between Russian and Ukraine. Already
loved that he prevented that from happening during his first term.
Then as soon as Joe Biden gets in less than
a year later, basically Putin invades Ukraine completely unsupplied.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And look at Afghanistan. Trump was the one that got
the plan to get us out because he said we're
done with that war. But it was in his exit strategy.
Joe came in crik over and now we know that
Joe with the dementia, is the one that wasn't even
listening to some of the generals. He was the one
that made the call to leave the equipment, lead people
behind and bail out and let the Taliban take back
over completely, probably because he didn't know what the hell
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he does so so they were auto penning everything.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I see this lack of trust and faith in this administration,
and I think it's so painfully ironic because in my
entire experience, there's been one man that's gotten war's either over.
He prevented a nuclear kerfuffle between India and Pakistan just
a few months ago. And I think that he needs more,
a lot more. Athan he's getting does have a little
bit of faith, just a little bit of trust because
he's actively working on his whole administration. Pete hegg Seth,
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Steve Wikoff.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
These people. But everybody's saying he Trump's going to be
told by the neo cons and the military complex to
go to war, go to war.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Well I don't.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I don't doubt if he's the president he'll tell them
no exactly. Sure.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
There are people in Washington, lobbyists and others who are
going to try to push for that, but that doesn't
mean he's going to listen. So let's give him a
little bit of faith and credence here, because the results
speak for themselves. He's done this before, he'll do it again.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Amen. Faith So, Jonathan, what do you think this big
break within the Mega America First movement is of people
fighting back and forth. I think it's probably threefold. I'll
give you my opinion. I'd love to hear yours. I
think you have people that just do it for clicks,
likes and downloads to make a buck, that are drifting,
they don't care. I think there are people who are
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being paid to say it. And then I think there
are people that are true anti Semis who hate Jews,
and probably some folks that are saying all the crap
are a little bit of all three sprinkled in.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
What do you think, Jonathan, Yeah, I think definitely that.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I just find it very interesting that you have the
left who's screaming support Palestine, you know, Israel and the
Jews are evil and they're trying to commit genocide against Muslims,
and then on the right, all of a sudden, you
have people saying that the Jews are not to be trusted,
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that they're the problem or the foundation of every problem
that we have globally, that they outso.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Every modern war in the middle of the house.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
So what happens when when you draw a circle like that,
there's somebody that's controlling that narrative. Because for two different
groups that believe absolutely the opposite of the way things
should be in this world, somehow end up at the
same point. It's not because they've done their critical thinking.
It's because they are being programmed. And I think, so
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you have a few of those talking heads, you also
have a tremendous amount of the airwaves, mainstream media, and
then the social media, which is growing and so, and
then you have these obscure places like substack or telegram
and different places where people go get information. I think
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I was telling you this on your show that, like,
I have two friends. One works for me and the
other one is a really good friend of mine, two
totally different careers, never met each other. But I know
for a fact, like there was a thing that came
out yesterday. I saw a meme about it that they're
sending over an aircraft care that's fifty years old, and
how that is definitely a setup so that they can
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get that.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Aircraft carrier attacked.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I think I said, aircraft care, aircraft carrier attacked, and
that will kick it off for us to.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Be in the war.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
And I knew that both of these guys would be
sharing that information, and they did.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
They did.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
They hear one of your lean's left one of your friendliness, right,
but then.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Share No, no, no, they're both conservative.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
They're both they know each other and they're different.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
They just don't know each other, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
They posted the same stuff saying the same thing. But wait,
aren't a lot of our aircraft carriers older? I mean
a lot of our ships are older, our jets are,
our helicopters are. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I actually think, Jonathan, you just touched I love the
conspiracy because you're your three Your three points are great.
I think there's yeah, what do you think? Well, I
would out a fourth. I would just on top of that.
And I truly mean this sheer ignorance. People who don't
understand history, people who don't know about this stuff incompetins.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
That's Trump always have.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
These devices that we can just blast our opinions all
day long. If everyone thinks that they're an expert on
history and thank you policy, and you're not. Respectfully, I'm
certainly not. That's why I don't come out hot and
heavy about it. I just know what my principles are.
I know I stand by American Israel and trust this administration,
and I want peace, and I know you and I
know that the people who are chanting death to America
are a threat to me and my allies.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Having said all, you and I are one hundred and
ten percent of agreement. We don't want war, but I'm
sticking up for the people of Israel and the people
of America. Correct, not an administration, and that's well. Administration.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Trump has said no long term engagements. No, he's not
saying regime change, no record straight.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Bibby said it not Trump. Trump specifically said no, I'm
not down for regime change. I'm not talking about that.
He just said they can't have a nuke. Correct.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Because his prior, his only priority as an American president
is protecting us and our interests. That's that shouldn't even
be part of it. So I just think part of this, though,
is ignorance. I do a lot of people who just
aren't well read, and it's like there's a correlation. The
people who are the least knowledgeable have the loudest voices.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Well, there's people on our side. Do we always think
the left has sheeople no rights, got people too?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
No, I agree with that. I think that I think
all those people right now are coalescing together and finding
a lot of friendship and union in each other's arms.
And it's deeply disturbing because that kind of ignorance and
the rhetoric can lead to real world consequences. That's a point.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Let me, yeah, let me let me.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Say one thing.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Please, let me say one thing about this is that
when you say ignorance, there's a difference between and I mean,
in my mind, I know that all the the social
media English experts out there, the same ones that no
biology and warfare somehow would correct.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Me on this, but I.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Think there's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. And ignorance
is somebody who doesn't know the facts. They're ignorant of history,
they're ignorant of how intel services work. But the people
who know that they don't know, but then choose to
follow somebody without doing any research on that, they're stupid.
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And so we have a tremendous amount of stupidity, and
then a lot of people who are ignorant and they're
just too lazy to go and think about it do
their own critical thinking. So we have a tremendous amount
of people in this country and around the world, but
this country in particular, where you are free to think
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the way you want to think, and freedom is not
the cancer, but complacency and laziness are cancers that actual
destroy freedom.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
And so that's what I.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Think about clip that post that clip that that's a
great statement God, and seriously, so.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That's what's happening. That's what's happening in this country.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Is that what we're seeing is that people don't do
critical thinking. They couldn't tell you about the history of Israel.
They never looked back on the Sixth Day War. Yes,
that's true. But I can be hyper critical of the
right because the right is full of people who are
on the cusps or they do know what's right. They
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do know, they have done enough critical thinking.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Left, let's be real, they don't. They're based in reality
and science and God. And they chose Trump right, right.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
They chose Trump right the first the first the first
presidency that that President Trump had the first term.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
He didn't take us into wars.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
He wasn't as swayed by the military industrial complex. He
he attacked Iran's solemony, killed him and didn't get us
in the warmer.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Yes, yeah, but for some reason.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Now, all these people believe because the narrative that's given
to them, and they won't go do their own research,
they won't look at history. Now they believe that somehow,
some way, President Trump is not capable of taking the
intel and making the same decision. I know he's taken
intel from Tulci Gabbard, who I never liked, and I
don't think she when she spoke her sound bites, I
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didn't agree with those sound bites, and I think President
Trump was able to look at that and say, I
don't care what she said.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
This is what I said.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
This is what he said on Air Force one to
the reporter, I don't care what she said. Here's the policy,
because I'm the damn president.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Well, so, John, We're I'm sorry, please please.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
No, We're just I think that the nation is filled
with this, that the social media has been the ultimate
pill for narcissism. And so we have a lot of
people now who used to go, like, you know, thirty
when we grew up, Dan, we grew up in areas
where people would go to church and then with God,
or they would be in school and they would you know,
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gossip about other people. But now everybody goes to social
media and they take in that same gossip. But then
they go online and they act like that is their knowledge,
like they came up with that on their own. But
I know they didn't, because there's no difference between their
narrative and the narrative of people that I know for
a fact are playing them. And being in back in
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media and seeing the backside of media, you realize it's
all entertainment.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
A lot of it is entertainment, right, it's news, but
it's also entertainment. What we do, we give some correct
we entertain.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
And people don't realize that, and then they repeat these
and if they think Tucker Carlson or people like that,
you know, are these virtuous individuals.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
You know, they don't know Tucker's background.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Right, and they don't know even one hundred percent. Well,
you saw you he called Trump and apologized, right, he
could apologize. Oh yeah, really, I would never have noticed.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
I would never have another thing to do.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Had lunch with him today yesterday? Yeah, No, I want
I want to ask you something about canvae Owens. People
we're talking abo her being anti Semite, because three four
years ago she was fine with supporting Israel. Now she's
like the Jews are the devil.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, right now, Candis Owens wouldn't even be anybody if
she hadn't have been hooked up with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Thank you say that asking this is a vet because
on a lot of vets watch our show. She day
before Yester, on her show, called for active duty military
members to desert, leave their post, walk away if Trump
sends US to a war in Iran. She told literally
people to take her words the dishonorable discharge. Would you
like to inform miss Owens as a VET, how detrimental
(54:33):
to your future and just how unpatriotic, anti American you
would be a hashtag pos if you walk away from
your post? And she literally told people take this honorable
discharge on her show, go look it up.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
Candace Owens has done us all a great service. I'll
tell you why. She has shown the.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
World that it doesn't matter if you're black or white,
the color of your skin doesn't matter. You can be
an idiot and it runs through you, void of any gender, color,
anything like that. She's shown exactly what I've been preaching
my whole life. I don't see color, I don't see
a difference in somebody, whether where you were born, where
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we all have equal opportunity, we can be whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
It's right. It's America's shown that she.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Had the opportunity to choose to be stupid, and that's
what she is. And if a veteran does that, they
should be they should be discharged, their career should be ruined.
I would even open I would open up an investigation
on her if I was had the FBI to open
up investigation.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
On her for promoting a treasonous.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Action because she is. I mean, we didn't get to
the FBI coruption. We're almost at an hour. I gotta
get to Since he brought up stupid people, can we
spend three four minutes here with you on the stupid
people doing these violent riots now protests, violent riots. They're
no King's Day crap they did last Saturday, all this
stuff to support illegal immigration and illegal immigrants. I mean,
(55:56):
first of all, they're getting paid, right, Jonathan, This isn't
natural and organic. But I wanted your reaction as a
cop and as a military member, as an American of
what we've been seeing in the streets of America. And no,
I don't mean the propells to anyone's I'm talking about
the immigration ones because we've had two different protest riots
the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, great, great sound bite and visual when I said
that about cannae, So one's your face that would be that.
That's a great social media clip right there. So uh,
but I will tell you when it comes to these individuals.
I just tweeted or xed out whatever you call, posted
on X a few minutes ago because homeland security, you know,
(56:37):
everybody seems to have to post now on on social
media about what they've done or what's happening. They're they
were talking about what was happening in Portland and how
once again there's riots there. They're using the lasers into
the into the eyes of the ICE agents. There were explosions, exposures,
five people entered into the building and some agents got
(56:57):
hurt and stuff. And so I tweeted out like, this
is a predictable attacker. It's a predictable location for attacker.
They're using predictable tactics. Why aren't you getting out in
front of this because Dan, all of this is orchestrated.
Now you may have useful idiots that show up and
take part in it. But the actual protests that are riots.
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First of all, they're not covered by the First Amendment.
I don't care what anybody says. That's not assembly.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
That's a right peaceful assembly. That's what it says, Okay.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
And so they're showing up and you can see the organization,
you can see how they talk to each other, what
they're wearing, the fact that a guy shows up and
supplies these specialized masks that costs like two hundred, three
hundred dollars each and he's just handing them out like
crazy for the tests because they have a limited amount
or unlimited amount of money that they can spend. And
(57:49):
there was an article I got it right here. It
was written in after the twenty twenty election, and it
was written in the New Yorker No I'm sorry, Time magazine,
and it's called the Secret History of the Shadow Campaign
that saved the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
And it's exactly like a jailhouse confession.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
It is the Democrat Power operatives talking about how they
can start a protest, a rally, or a party anywhere
in the United States in twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
See they left out riot. But that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
What majority that turns into yep, and so that this
article really lays out how program they are, how organized
they are, how they can work from the top levels
of politics and money to orchestrate these things. And so
they have people that are trained that they can file
over the place. Meanwhile, New York, Chicago, LA, they're having
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meetings constantly, just like they did in the sixties, where hey,
communism is great, come let's talk about it. And so
that's what occurs. And then you have the rest of
these ignorant.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Right use look at people show up right with the
eight agitators and the professional Uh well, we saw ads
for people that I mean you saw the one on
Craiglist where they were like, we want a real headbuster,
somebody that will bust heads twelve grand for this whole week.
They're paying people. I've had a guy on my show
he's never coming on again, named Adam Swart, who literally
runs a company called Crowds on Demand, and he admitted, well,
(59:19):
he goes, but I never I never hire people with
my company. They're going to go to the violent ones.
And I'm like, how the hell do you know if
they're gonna turn violent or not. And by the way,
it's not organic if you have to pay people to
show up, because this is America. If you feel strongly
about something and you want to air the agreements with
your with your government, and you step into the street,
you're supposed to peacefully assembly. You don't get in the road,
(59:40):
stop commerce, stop fire trucks and ambulances and pregnant people
from going to the hospital. You don't destroy businesses. And no,
you stand in the street corner and you protest. That's
not what Look at the video right now, folks, that's
not what this is. We're gonna lose him soon. We're
almost at an hour. I know you want to talk
to FBI too. We gotta we do, But I just I.
Speaker 3 (59:58):
Want to wrap this. Yeah, both hit on the the
crux of this. So for people who aren't in the
weeds about politics and news, I get questions all the
time family friends, they say, you know, whenever something egregious happens,
you see what Biden does with lawfair. The right doesn't organize,
but the left you see so much organization, and you
realize they're so much better at organizing because everything's astrotrift
(01:00:18):
and literally organized like they've been doing this since the sixties.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Rules for radicals.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
They have a formula, they have a playbook, they have
the actors in place ready to go. We won't do that.
Not American doctives. Don't do it on college campuses. These
universities are teaching the ideas that are leading to the
destruction of this country. They have the infrastructure laid out,
they have the sources of the world, they have their
donors to bankroll all of this crap. So the left
has literally spent half a century or more building out
(01:00:45):
the infrastructure to bring down this country any moment's notice
with a ridiculous crap like this right, and the right hasn't.
So I just it's kind of a thought that just
we got to get better, organize and fight back.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
But also don't forget we were paying for some of
this crap because a lot of that USAID money that
was going over somewhere filtering and coming right back around
to pay for some of this crap. So, Jonathan, we
were paying for it. That's that's the scary thing with
our tax money. And the ironic Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
No, You're absolutely right, And that's what's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You know, people talk about this individual, that individual funding
all this stuff. The reality is we've been funding it
and and.
Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Trump so stop it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yes, so back to Trump and this is I'll just
say this about the FBI.
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
This will sum it all up.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, is that real quick? My question the simple one. Yeah,
we know it's been crup forever. You worked it as
a special agent. We got Bongino and Puttel in there.
There's a lot of files people want to see, whether
it's Epstein, rfk jfk UFO, you name it. I think
let's clean it up first before we start talking files
and everybody's all angst. After five months, give us the files. Cash,
do you think they're going to be able to break
(01:01:47):
through the corruption and clean things up? And then yeah,
what do you think about releasing the files?
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I think Cash, Retel, and Dan Bongena were the wrong
picks for this job. I think that there needed to
be somebody who knows how the FBI works. They clearly
don't because they aren't firing people. They're reorganizing, pushing people
here and there, and when something does something drastically wrong,
they'll fire them. But reassigning someone or asking them to
(01:02:15):
retire does nothing to fix the problem. There's mafia's that
run the FBI. And these mafias are made up of careerists,
the lesbian mafia, the swat team mafia, the I mean,
you name it, they're in there, the leftist mafia. These people,
once they get in a position of authority, they stack
the ranks with people that identify with the way that
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they do. And I'm seeing none of that change. And
so along with that, they're also not doing it. The
fact that I know they're not doing that tells me
that they're most likely not opening investigations on all these people.
The judges that have harbored criminals, these rioters, anybody else
(01:02:56):
who's done any of these things. They could be opening
investigating charges. They could be opening investigations and linking all
these people together and then running a Rico case. I
don't see that occurring. So I will say this. If
President Trump wants to keep them in there, and they
want to reorganize the FBI and get it running, well, okay,
(01:03:16):
that's fine, But I think we need a justice Zar
that's like Tom Homan, but somebody who goes through all
of the agencies and developed common practices, tactics, techniques, and
procedures for each individual agency and then all of them
the shared tactics, techniques, and procedures that the leftists used
(01:03:37):
because they're still running these agencies, and we have to
have somebody separate from the people that are running the
agencies to run this investigation that has to be done.
And if it does, if it isn't done, we're going
to be in the same place in three and a
half more years. And I want to say one other
thing though about the war in general, is that we
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are war weary because after the World War II, we
went from the Department of War and the Secretary of
War to the Department of Justice and the I'm sorry,
the Department of Defense and the Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Right, so I went from war to defense.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
And also our symbol, the as symbol of the United States,
the egle went from holding the arrows and holding the
and looking at the arrows and holding the olive branches
in reserve, which is diplomacy. Now the egle looks at
the alli of branches and holds force in reserve. So
those things happened at the same time, and so we progressed,
(01:04:41):
and from that point forward we've never won a war.
Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
We've never won a war.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I mean, think about it, that we won battles Vietnam,
we left Irack.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So the fact is that President Trump did not get
us into a new war. But I trust him that
if he runs warfare the way he ran his campaign,
he's going to be able to see where we are
moving forward to eliminate the enemy. Now this is where
I don't disagree with President Trump because I don't know
(01:05:12):
what he's thinking. But this is where so people would
say you're a warmonger.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I don't want war, but I believe war is natural
to man. And if you are going to commit to
an enemy that has told you he wants to eliminate
your ally or wants to injure you, then you should
commit to the fight to eliminate that enemy, not go
and sit there and play patty cake and then reorganize.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
That's a great point. Why beyond the defense when the
bad guys told you what he wants to do, and
that's take you out. And that's not warmongering because just
like Jonathan, I do not want boots on the ground
to interran But we know what the Ayatola has said.
Trump has said, no nukes if they don't adhere in
two weeks, and that beautiful beautiful b two stell bomber
(01:05:58):
drops a bunker buster or two. Well, then so be it.
He gave you an out for diplomacy, Ayatola, you should
take it. Yeah, one final question, really.
Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I do so just on the FBI. Note for a second,
speaking of the enemy within this country. Uh, and that
these these unelected bureaucrats at the FBI who've done so
much damage. I want to ask you about James Comy
because of all the things I want accountability for, it
is the Russia collusion hoax, the plot to keep President
Trump out of the White House, true to it almost worked,
completely undermine the will of the American people.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
And that was the FBI.
Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Years and years later, that escalates into setting the stage
for an assassination attempt. They shot the guy that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Put your hand down. They're gonna say you're Nazi.
Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Oh, I'm so sorry. This is this is insane.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Don't do the science. Don't do you all right?
Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
But I do, John, How do we get to real
accountability for for James Comy because what he has done is,
in my opinion, just a disgusting betrayal of what you're
supposed to stand for in a position like that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Is Director Yeah, can you go like undercover and set
him up and get some evidence that we can throw
his outs in prison.
Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
For Well, I don't think we have to because here's
the reality.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
In two thousand and eight, we changed the DIOG, which
is the investigative bible for the FBI, and for eighteen
hours we had to sit through this nonsense them telling
us we can't do a trash cover anymore, for instance,
where we go in and go through some of these
trash that's been placed on the sidewalk, like ridiculous policy changes,
and this is under Muller. And then they said that
(01:07:23):
we're going to take the FBI from the premier law
enforcement agency and make them the premiere domestic intelligence agency.
They literally that was what they were doing. So I
believe Mueller, Comy, and Christopher ray had they're all former
DOJ attorneys, and I believe that they are all working
(01:07:48):
together because when Comy was doing all that stuff, who
was a special prosecutor Muller. So the reality is the
same thing. You could do an investigation. This investigation could
for three years. It's not something has to be taken
down immediately. But you will find links between all these people.
They live in the same areas, they shop at the
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same grocery stores.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
They know the same people.
Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
And just like this time article points out, I can
guarantee you that things that occur that get swayed back
and forth. It's no different than if you go down
in Times Square when it's busy and you watch the
pickpockets sway the crowds so people can walk the opposite
direction and steal wallets.
Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
This is organized.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
It's organized, and I think they're I think they're all
guilty to be proven very easy.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
The radical left organizes, whether it's in the FBI or
on the streets of America. That's one thing the left
does better than the right, and we better figure it
out for future elections.
Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
We got you guys, think whiskey.
Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Yep, you have some well shit.
Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Of course I gotta sitting right here because I saw
you guys had it. Okay, so let me do a toast.
Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I'll do the toast, all right, go ahead, So I
put my I put my cowboy hat. Okay, let's see
if I remember this, here's the line stealing, fighting and drinking.
If you're gonna lie, lie to save a friend, if
you're gonna steal, steal a heart. If you're gonna fight,
fight to win, and if you're gonna drink, drink with me.
Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Chairs Jonathan, thank you a hell of a podcast. Thank you, sir.
I'll drink of that. That's some good two A. Jonathan
Gilliam former FBI Special Agent, Navy Seal Air Marshal, state
trooper from Arkansas and range.
Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Just state pla.
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yep, sorry, he wasn't on the streets like giving out
priblist tickets five hats that I only knew about two.
So it's amazing when you learn more about your guests
and the patriotic duty they've had to this nation. And
that's one of the main reasons I wanted to have
Jonathan Gilliam on. Jonathan, Thanks brother, I'll see you on
the talk show next time.
Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
You got my friend show talking about anytime?
Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Okay, please cheep.
Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
No more is the book and the United States continued
service and our motto is still serving.
Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
There you go and check out your podcast, right, you
have one called the Experts.
Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah, but I haven't done it in over a year
or so. Okay, okay, so you got the money to
start it back up?
Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
All right? Is there a website for everything? All? Jonathan Gilliam.
They can go to there is Jonathan T.
Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Gilliam dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
But if you guys, just anybody wants to find me
on social media, just look for this and they'll find me.
Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
It's one of a guy, all right, Jonathan, Thank you,
brother sheep, No more's the book. Jonathan Gilliam's the guy.
Peace out. Thank you about it?
Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
God bless yep.
Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Cool guy, Huh I told you?
Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Amazing?
Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Interesting, very who do you know in your life it's
that motivated to do that many careers. I want to
go back. I would. I wonder if he's gotten notes
from college when he laid that out from college to death.
I'm going to do all this.
Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I believe it. I think that's real. But I don't
know that many people that even have that kind of
vision who can sit down and say I know exactly
what I want to do with my.
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Vision or drive Yes, yeah, wow, amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Yeah, really we covered a lot. You have people like
that that are serving, by the way, this country because
they're the ones keeping this place together. Yeah, otherwise I
don't know where we'd be right now.
Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Yeah. No, you need war Yeah, you need warriors like that,
And that's that's a Warrior right there, bro, it is okay,
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Everyone's mission driven and it's really an incredible family of people.
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Got some by the way, I saw some the other day.
Next show, I'll bring them up and we'll see if
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Now it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Yates
and Dan Ball.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, everybody, welcome in to another edition of the Anchorman Podcast.
I'm Dan Ball alongside Riley Lewis, a couple of your
uh Anchorman talk show hosts here at OAM, the one
American news network. And if you're just tuning in for
the first time, after how many months we've been doing
these now?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Is it two or three?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What are you talking about? It's only four. Really, we
started doing them in early February. Oh wow, it's June rightly.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
The time is just it's moving too quickly.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Is this because you have a new lady in your life?
Is this why you're losing track of time or that?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
And uh and the news cycle and everything else. I
guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I know, it's just uh, I mean, it's too much.
The country's been a little unsettled these last few weeks. Right,
that's a way to put it right, whether it's well
when the mainstream media is out there lying to people
about let's before we get into the war stuff, let's
just start with the big war here at home in
the streets, and that's on immigration, right, and all these
(01:12):
people who have been lied to by Democrats in the
mainstream media who are telling them that Trump's a king
and he's kicking out black and brown people because he's racist.
And you got to take to the streets LA and
New York and you got to burn shit. Yeah, that
makes a lot of sense. Good job liberals. Yes, so
that obviously has been taking up the airwaves.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But what happened to those I mean they all, well,
they're one dumb day and then.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We've got a war between Israel and I ran. No,
that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But I mean the immigration stuff just well, they had
their big king stuff last night. No one bought into
the astroturft probably deep state production, ridiculous riots right.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, because we know they're all paid for. I mean
you and I in this network helped to expose it.
We know that these aren't organic protests against Trump's immigration policies.
These are paid for riots. Yes, let's be real. Excuse me,
that's what they are. Period. I mean, track the money.
There's that one dude, what's his name, that's got tied
to the CCP, whose organization has been funding all kinds
(02:09):
of it. I mean, you don't have palettes of bricks
showing up on street corners, beautiful pre made signs. Okay,
go back to the Summer of Love when those riots
were happening, right, Remember the videos of U haul trucks
pulling up. They don't open the back door. Dudes would
jump up, grab a sign, grab a sign, grab some brick.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I mean, but unlike, but unlike now. I mean, those
been on for months and months. They did billions of
dollars of property damage. They were burning holes.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh, don't think they're over. It's not over, right, You
don't think it's over now, Really, no, it's not over.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Okay, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Trump just said this week he's stepping up the immigration
raids by ice, specifically in blue states and blue cities.
He's going to step like double or ties. Yeah. So
if he's gonna double or triple it like this week,
next week, you think those protests are done? No, No,
all right, all right, they're gonna keep this crap going.
They're gonna milk this as long as they can. That's
(03:01):
what the radical left, that's what they do. Period.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, I get that we've talked about this before. Their
hatred for Trump and America. It's the only glue that
holds their weird coalition of self hating people together. But
how long can that go on for?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, when you got no policy, rally right, right, all
you can do is identity politics, right right, think about it.
All the liberals do is class warfare, sure, rich versus
the billionaires, race warfare. Right. Oh, it's the whites against
blacks and browns. They're racist, maga, people are racist. Bs
to war, not to war? You war mongering? You this
your neo coun Oh male female? Oh? Women? Men take
(03:40):
transgender versus straight? Right? Everything is identity politics with the
left because they have no policy.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, well they're losing that fight too, by the way,
as evidenced by this huge win in Tennessee this week
for parents. Yeah, for morality, major victory. If you haven't heard,
google this because this is game changing. That fight's over,
by the way. There's still ways to challenge what's going
on with the Supreme Court, but they really really rebuked
what the radical left has been doing to kids in
(04:07):
this country.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, it's about time. And if you don't know, it's
the Supreme Court. It's upholding Tennessee legislator's law that you
can't mutilate miners period. Correct, No transgender surgeries, puberty blockers,
or any of that garbage. Yes for anybody under eighteen correct,
and six of three, which again should point to how
radical and asinine liberals are. The three liberal female justices
(04:32):
on our Supreme Court get a descent against backing up
Tennessee legislators who created a law what a year or
so ago banning doctors from providing hormone therapy or any
surgeries to minors. No more cutting off the breast and
the penises of a healthy twelve year old because their
parents are virtue singling whack nut jobs.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Do you have you thought? Why not controversial at all?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Why is there any descent?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Because again, it's identity politics. Because the left knows the
right says no way in hell, So they've got to
say black. If we say white, they say black, We
say red, they say blue. We say turn left, they
turn right, We say stop, they say go think about it.
But when have you seen Democrats agree in anything recently
with Republicans that's good for this nation, that's good for
(05:19):
all of the people. Yeah, no, Well that's just has
there been any coming together a policy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
There's identity politics, and then there's just reality. Who was
it on the show that was saying that the left
has waged a war against reality? Was that Joe Bob?
That might have been Joe last week?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Maybe, yeah, but that's how far it's gone. So it is,
this is beyond.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think you're right. I think you did say, yeah,
waging a war against reality.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean puberty blockers for five year olds.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And it's not just the transgender issue for five year
olds though. It's not just a transgender it's no, it's
it's the border. Yes, right, it's we can just have
open borders, you'll be safe and fine. No, that's not
living in reality. Yeah right. Illegals have total due process.
I'm sorry. If you snuck in and didn't go through
a port of entry, uh huh, and you're here and
we find you, and your record is you murdered two
(06:04):
people in Ecuador and we're shipping your ass back. You
don't get due process. You're not even a citizen. You're
a criminal. And oh, by the way, you're a criminal
within the United States because you entered illegally and broke
our federal immigration laws.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Look, due process is important. It's a cornerstone of this country.
But you sacrifice the right to that when you come
here illegally. And I don't understand why that's controversial either.
I don't think it really is, because you can go
back not that long ago. Hillary Clinton talking about deportations,
I know when Barack Obama deported three million people, where
were the riots?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
They all said, when George Bush deported two million, we're
a nation of immigrants. What we're a riation of laws?
Clinton said it, Obama said it, y w said it.
But when Trump says it, Riley, you're a racist. Anyway.
So we got the riots, we got the Supreme Court decision. Obviously,
we got the war between Israel and Iran. People were
forgetting about the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
(06:56):
I haven't heard anything about that in the last week
or two because all it's been is what should we
do with Iran and America stay out? And now a
bunch of infighting with Republicans and the mega base. And
I'll tell you what as a and I'm going to
say this as a fifty year old man, being in
media since I was eighteen, and being a regis Republican
since I was eighteen, and always voting with conservative Christian
(07:19):
American values in mind. We do this every time. Can
y'all stop it? That's one thing I'll give the left
credit for, except right now they are very fragmented. But
up until now, the Democrats every two four, six years,
whatever the race is, man, they banned together. They don't
have all this infighting. I don't know what it is
with conservatives. Okay, but every time we get a big
(07:41):
win and we get in control, then all we want
to do is infight. Yes, and then now all you're
doing is turning off the voters who aren't die hard
to our cause, and even some that are die hard
to the American first mega cause. So can y'all please
stop the damn infighting? Okay? Stop. President Trump's at the reins,
he's got it. He's going to figure out what to
do with Iran. I think it'll be the right call.
(08:04):
Everybody's like, oh, but he's got Neil cons telling him
in warmongers and this is going to be a rack
two point Oh, this is not a rack two point
zh no. And I also don't think that I heard
some of their day say, well, Bibby and the Jews
got us into I RAQ, And I'm like, what are
you talking about No, no, no, no, no, you knew got
us into a wrack. Our vice president, Dick Cheney got
(08:25):
us into Iraq. I mean they had to convince and
beg Colin Powell and Condoley's a rice to take us
to war. And then remember Colin even want to go
to the UN and NATO and say please come with us,
have a coalition, and w didn't care. He got convinced
easily by Dicky because he wanted to go kill the
guy that put a contract on his daddy's head. HW. Bush. Yeah,
(08:46):
so this is not a rack two point zh and
Trump is not w No, but they stop it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The infighting has been very disappointing, eye opening.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Man, it's discussed.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Instead of going after each other, why don't we just
have a reasonable and honest conversation about America's national interests
and what would be best for this country. Yeah, that's
what Trump ran on as protecting the American people and
our interests.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Amen, plain and simple, and keeping America first. And if
he believes that Iran getting a nuke and not getting
a nuke is in America's best interest, not Israel's, then
Trump would know because he gets security briefings, we don't get.
So for all of the pundits, all the social media influencers,
all the talk show hosts, whether they're that, other networks, this,
(09:28):
I don't care who you are. Everybody out there pontificating
that we're gonna go to war and don't go to war.
And this is against what Trump said. And now they're
throwing Trump under the bus and other folks under the
bus in the movement, shut the hell up and sit
down for a second. We're not at war number one,
just because he moved battle groups into the region. For
you idiots who have never served, that's called posturing. Okay,
when you're negotiating, like the art of the deal maker, guy,
(09:51):
is you posture? He's not Churchill, He's not you know,
speak softly and carry a big stick. He's speak loudly
and carry a bigger stick. And so he's posturing to
make it known surrender because here we are and you're surrounded.
Does he want to hit Does he want to put
us in a war? Hell no? And I get that.
(10:12):
Folks within our own movement think that the neocons and
military in nests are complex in DC is going to
push him to push us into a war. He's Trump,
and it's his second term, after he's been shot and
litigated against and all the crap they've thrown at him.
You think he's going to do what they tell him
to do. He's going to do what's right for the
movement of the American people, like he promised us on
the campaign trail. He's been doing it so far. Look
(10:33):
at the border correct, Look at the economy. The tariffs
are working, even though people were freaking out, aren't they.
Look at all the new trade deals, the border, most
secure numbers we've seen ever in history. He's keeping his promise.
He's not going to put us in a freaking endless war.
So for everybody out there again, just stop it. I
know you want to get clicks and likes and downloads
and be controversial so you can monetize your accounts and
(10:55):
whatever the hell you do.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
But stop it anyway. Should we get to our guest, Yes,
I want to hear his thoughts about Oh he's got
something to say, Yeah, I really do, he's got some
so please yeah, let's bring him on.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, So our guest tonight, Special guy comes on a
lot of the talk shows here on Oaan has his
own podcast, but background I thought fitting for this week
because with the riots and the investigations into who's funding
the riots and everything else, with all the push to
get the files, whether it's the EPSTEIN, the JFK, the RFK,
(11:26):
the UFO files, everything there, you need somebody that worked
for the FBI, right, and then with us possibly going
to war, I thought a soldier would be good. Well,
how about a Navy seal? Well, we get a two
for tonight because our guest tonight is Jonathan Gilliam, who
happens to be oh, by the way, former Navy seal,
former FBI special agent. So, without further ado, where's Jonathan Jared?
(11:50):
Can we bring him up? I hope he's wait and
he told me he was there he is, Hey, what's up, Jonathan?
How you doing?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Brother? Hey?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I thought you said that you were covering the life
of male models. That's why I came on here. I
didn't know it was because my military law enforcement background.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Right, So you put your totally different you put your
nice tight fitted shirt on for the modeling picks and
shined up the dome and you're ready to go. Right,
I'm ready for my close up, Mister demil is that you.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
On the side, even trimmed it from the side. It
looked good.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You look good. You look good, Jonathan. Night to see
you again. So before we get into all the things
that we were just kind of precursoring here before you
came on, I want to know how Jonathan Gilliam because
I don't know a lot about the personal life. Bro.
We've talked a little bit behind the scenes before you
come on and do interviews on the talk show side,
But how does one And I would assume Navy seal
(12:43):
came first then FBI because of the age thing. Let's
be real, seals aren't fifty years old usually when they start.
So I want to know how Jonathan went. Tell me
where Jonathan grew up, and how you got in the Seals,
how long you served, what you did, and then we'll
get into the FBI. But just give us that background
of being a Navy seal because I know a few
and I know it's hard as hell. I had a
buddy I graduated high school with that tried twice and
(13:04):
failed out twice. Wow, Yeah, it's that hard, bro. What's
the percentage out of the how many flunk out?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I mean, on average, it's about I'd say a quarter
of the people make it through, So you're talking about
seventy five percent don't make it. There's been a class
where nobody made it. There's been classes where one or
two people made it through.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They don't cut you know, corners to get put to
push people through. I mean there's been some people that
I think perhaps shouldn't have made it through. But overall,
you know, even those guys were hard.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Obama right was at a DEI acceptance known as kidding.
So and let me let me I want to know
something about seals because we're very close to seal training
right here in San Diego, right down to the Coronado
and stuff where I'm sure Jonathan is familiar in the movies.
Is it true they don't flunk you out. You have
to ring out if you if you're a quitter, you
ring out. You don't get thrown out. What's the what's
(13:59):
the reality there?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, I mean they it's the Navy. They can get
rid of you if they want to.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I mean, if you're if you're not meant to be there,
they can drop you and get you out of there.
But by and large, it's a volunteery it's a voluntary
process to go there, so you also have to volunteer
yourself out. So if you decide you want to quit,
it is part of the policy that you go and
(14:26):
you ring the bell and then you set your helmet
down and you ring the bell three times, set your
helmet down, and so by the end of really the
end of Hell Week is kind of the end of
that process of quitting. You have other individuals may get
sick or get hurt, and so they'll be recycled. I
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have heard that they were now putting people back out
on the fleet if they got hurt or sick.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I don't know if that's the case or not.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
But you would when I was in you get recycled
and you would kind of sit in a limbo doing
whatever physical training you could, and then the next class,
if you were good enough, you'd roll back and you
do a class up.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Solly g I, Jane and Demi Moore kind of got
it right in that if you give up, you got
to go ring that bell.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So the movie got it right, Okay, because you know,
you never know, Hollywood, let's be real. Yeah, we can
start ripping on that. Yeah, And you were ready for
your close up. So I mean, if they make a
new Navy Seal movie, Hey Hollywood, I'm there, and Gilliam's ready,
He's ready.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I'm there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I may have to wear a wig, but I don't know.
I think it looks good like this, But but yeah,
it is. It's really that hard. And I think the
hardest thing that most people don't ever talk about is
the fact that you most guys that get there, they
are that they that's been a focus of their career.
You don't just show up, sure and beast your way
through it, right. There's guys that have trained to the
(15:49):
point like myself where when I got in there, I
was in Olympic caliber shape. I mean I could have
stepped on to a football field and being able to
compete with any of the athletes that were on those
In fact, we have collegiate athletes that come there or
alternates for the Olympic team. And you know, there's a
guy in my class that was an alternate for the
(16:11):
Olympic swim team. But there was another guy that was
there that you know, the guy that was the swimmer,
the Olympic swimmer. This guy was like six foot something,
you know, looked all American. But there's another guy. I
won't say his his name, but I'll just say Stuart, right,
and he's actually still a good friend of mine. But Stu,
Stu is about five, I don't know, five six five seven.
(16:36):
He's white, but grew up in Jamaica and is the
greatest natural athlete I've ever seen in my life. He
wasn't a collegiate athlete nothing, but they put him on
the seven mile ocean swim with the guy that was
the the collegiate swimmer and the the Olympic stand by,
and and Stu was talking to him the entire time
(16:57):
they were swimming, like that's how incredible of an athlete's
too us?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
And so there you get guys like that. Yeah, you
know they say it's.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
More physical or mental when people ring the bell or
is it about even.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Well, it all comes down to mental.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It all comes down to middal because we have proven
is that you could be in good shape or great shape.
Let's say you're in great shape, but you don't have
the mental capacity to handle the cold. Maybe you develop
a stress fracture and you don't have the mental capacity
to fight through it, or it's just depressing to be
there because every day it's miserable. So you'll see guys
(17:33):
who are spectacular athletes, never failed anything in their life,
and they'll just say, this isn't for me because psychologically,
not only are you dealing with the physicalness, but you're
really opening up your soul and saying, I am going
to rise above this thing that I am and become
this thing that I and that I intend to be.
(17:54):
And I think that is what differentiates you know, when
you meet a seal, they may be humble or they
may be the most ego driven person you ever met,
but there's a common thing in all of them, and
that is that whatever they're tasked with, it doesn't matter
if they're if they've done it before, they will figure
out how to do it better than anybody else because
(18:16):
we know inside of ourselves that there's nothing anybody can
do that we can't do as well, because we can
tell ourselves we're capable of this. And I think that's
what comes out of buds and the men that get
that are the men that will make it through. And
I think knowing that you're gonna make it before you
get there, deciding that is a part of that. You know,
(18:38):
when I got there, I already knew there's nothing they
can do to make me quit.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I didn't know how bad it was going to be,
but I had in my brain that I will not quit,
and and I faced myself. There were tears shed, there
were moments of sheer, terror and pain, and.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
But I didn't what else am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know, I quit the heart and it's probably not
well some older folks.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
No, no, no, Now now is a totally different story.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, you know, my body now would be crying.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So it makes you, It makes me wonder Jonathan. So
on the flip side, then, when you're going into that,
I mean, how do you prepare mentally? Because you get
people that train physically. I guess morning, noon, and night.
You diet, you exercise, But what can you do about that?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Because and how old were you? Were you in the
Navy before a different job and then you switched over, Like,
give us that background on how you made that transition
into being a seal.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I decided that I wanted to do well.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I wrote a timeline out for my life when I
was in college, and I wrote, you know, this is
present and this is death, and this are all the
things that I want to do in between, and so
that was one of the things I decided I wanted
to do and I started training for it mentally though,
I have three sisters and no brothers, so I grew
up in the middle of nowhere in Arkansas and was
beat up by girls for the.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
First part of my life. So I think that was
the driving factor to do this.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And by the way, you see it's on the screen.
I found pictures of you with hair.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Oh yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Look at that and no beer man.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Look at that beard.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
See look at that proud American badass.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I have not much of a chin.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's why I love beards, because it's a man's plastic surgery.
You know, you can you can just grow a beard
and all of a sudden you look like you got
a strong, you know, spartan chin.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
How many years were you in where'd you deploy and
what teams were you on?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So I Team four the whole time. I had a
short career. So I was twenty eight when I went
through buds.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Wow and young young, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So I was older and all those years of training.
You know, it wasn't like I just decided to go.
I started training when I was in college. I was
on the six year program when I was in college,
and so you know, I I once I got in there,
it took me three years. Once I graduated college, it
took me three years of applying to get a slot
as an officer. I grew up trailer park, trash and poor.
(20:59):
I should have gone and listed because I was not
on the same mental capacity as the Naval Academy. But
you know, I get in there and made it through
and got to Seal Team four, and we were at
that point each team had their own air of operation.
So I was Central South America and spent my entire
(21:21):
time doing FID missions, which is Foreign Internal Defense where
we go down and we're the advisors in country. And
so I was in Columbia while they were basically at
war Honduras when it was the most dangerous place in
the world.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And so we're talking the early nineties.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
You were in, Yeah, the team.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I got in in ninety seven and left in two
thousand and two and then jumped straight into the Air Marshals.
But while I was in there, I went also went
through ranger school. Because we do exchanges with other branches,
we can go through their training they can't go through hours.
And so I went through Army Ranger School, and man,
I'll tell you one from steal training into that with
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such an incredible experience because I had proved myself there's
nothing that I can't do. But when I got into
Ranger school, I realized how little I knew about leadership.
And man, it is an amazing leadership school to lead
people who at three o'clock in the morning have no
motivation to do anything. And so you got to lead
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those guys and motivate them. And and I'm telling you
that amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I got to read the I gotta read the Jonathan Baylemore.
So you graduate college, you become a Navy seal, then
you're a ranger, then you're an Air marshal, and then
the FBI comes into play. What or was between?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I missed and I was actually a police officer while
I was waiting those three years, you know, while I
was waiting to be a seal to get that seal
slot for Officer candidate school, I was a cop for
just a short period of time.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And so where how about you do you feel right
now with art motivated? Like plan listen to this guy
like I mapped it all out, and I was going
to go from from a baby to death and I'm
gonna do all these twenty seven things. And right now
I'm only fifty something. I've done twenty six of them. Like,
who does that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well going John? Well, it was Camp Rompston, Arkansas. So
that's through outside of North Little Rock. Uh, And it's
a I was a state police officer, not a state tub,
but a state police officer. And and so went from
there to the to the seal teams, to the Air Marshals.
Then I did contracting after that because the Air Marshall
program it just was not for me. That was a
year of uh just put a chair in a corner
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in a in a room and just sit there for
five hours. That That's what it was like being air marshal.
And but the potential of going zero to one thousand.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Right was there?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You could always on edge. When did you get though
after nine to eleven? Then when we created the.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Two thousand April two thousand and two, Wow, so I
was flying.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
After not Well, you're one of the original air marshals then.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, there were there were fifty air marshals before that.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
When I went in, it had just grown.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So I was flying September eleventh, two thousand and two,
where we had threats on our plane actually, and so
we were trans continent. We were going across the our
transnational across the United States, and so it was it
was an interesting job, but it was that's a tough job.
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It's not tough because it's physical tough. It's tough because
you sit on a plane and then you go to
a hotel and you got maybe eight to ten hours
to get back on a plane. So you're not eating good,
you're not working out, and I went from being stellar
shaped to being you know, not stellar shape.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So it was rough.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
How was that experience for you mentally? Was it just
like anguish torture you didn't like anything.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Because you were used to high energy stuffs for years.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Did it feel like you were just kind of pigeonholed
in a box and you just had to get out?
Like what was that like?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, so the way I looked at it was I
was on like I was working and I was ready
for a fight. And so for a sea to go
from doing that to becoming an air marshal, it was
an interesting experience because I was thinking tactically all the time,
and I was trying to you know, really dressed down
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and not look like I had a gun on me
and you know, doing.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
All these things too. Yeah, but I would do tactically.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
How does that work? So I was ready to get
your gun on. No, I'm just kidding. Can't tell us
that I'm just joking. Don't give us any secrets, okay.
So I mean, wow, So now when we talk about
these riots with you, pretty soon you can come at
it from a law enforcement angle too, because I didn't
even know he was a cop. All right, get us
up to the FBI, because you've been on the program before,
the talk shows that is talking about the corrupt FBI
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and how things need to be cleaned out. And you
and I just had this discussion not too long ago
about Cash and Dan Bongino and what they need to
be doing at the FBI. So get us up to that. Then.
Was it after air marshaling that you then went in?
What years you go in the FBI? And then I
know that you were you're listening as a special agent.
What does that mean? So fill us in on the
FBI beginnings.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Right after right after air marshal training, I went. I
became a contractor with a company it's no longer around.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
But it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It was all former Seal Team six and Red Sale
guys and Army Special Forces. Is a lot of the
guys that were in Mogadishu. Some of them work there.
So I basically had an extension of the Seal Teams
for three years, working with these individuals that were, i
mean top of their game when the stuff started. I
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was working with guys who were working with remote control
airplanes and explosives back in the eighties. So like what's
happening now in the Ukraine, they were doing that way
back when the drug So.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You're doing it with the model airplanes. I remember hearing
about that when I was a teenager, that like CIA
Special Force event they're using we're using model airplanes, model
little boats and putting bombs on them. Oh yeah, that's
the stuff that are the CIA and covert operatives like him.
If you're a contractor, yeah, that's the way you do it.
I mean that was And now we have a drone
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that you can go to you know, best Buy and
get one.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And going right over there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So all right, so the FBI comes home, So I.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Was there for three years, learned amazing things and learned
how to what my book is about where I learned
really had to hone my skills in targeting from an
attacker's point of view and then learning how to reverse that,
because that was one of the things I did, was
teaching people how to do that as part of we
were contracted to Homeland Security.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So then I applied to the FBI.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And interestingly enough, I applied to the FBI, and I
don't know if it was DEI or what, but the
application got set to the side, and then three years
working with this company AMTI, I called FBI.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I was like, listen, I.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Never heard anything back from you, and they said, well,
you know, give us a second. They looked it up
with it six months I was in the academy. So
then I'm in the academy. I graduate from the FBI
Academy and I get signed to New York and I
was on the Asian Organized Crime Task Force, which was
the busiest squad in.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
All of the FBI.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
We were we had more arrest and more stats than
anybody else I were.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
In charge of. You said, the Asian what were you
guys doing back then?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well, we were part of the the criminal enterprise or
organized crime at that point, and so we were part
of the Organized Crime uh UH division of the New
York Office of the FBI. So so we we were
working with Asian criminal enterprises basically, you know, any mostly
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Korean and Chinese, and so I got to see a
lot of what China does. And we were saying then
the same thing that we were saying back when I
was a seal about the southern border.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
We were saying about how.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
The the the Chinese were. All these immigrants were coming
over and being housed basically in New York and anywhere
there's a China town around the country, and nobody even
gives them a second thought. But yet they're all out
there every day doing tai chi, and tai chi is
a form of martial arts. And these people nobody even
knows that they lived there. They've been they're packed in there.
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We're talking millions. And we always thought that, man, somebody
could just turn these guys on, like who knows why
they came there. They go there and they live in
the same poverty they lived in China. So they're there
living the same way. What if all those people are
Chinese cells. Nobody's even thought.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Of that, So it would have been mid two thousands
you were working there.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, two thousand. I got there in two thousand and
five and two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Okay, so post nine to eleven, but still twenty years ago,
and you're looking at that stuff twenty years ago. Now
let's fast forward today. We got the bio on Jonathan.
Are there any more jobs that you did that I'm missing?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, while I was in the Bureau, I worked other
places in there, but I also did the main thing
that I did was I went over to counter Terrorism
and I worked I ran the Special Events Unit, So
I took all of the targeting stuff that i'd you know,
being an attacker, being a defender and working at A
and TI, and then I was able to apply that
to the FBI, where I would go around the city
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of New York and look at plays and say, Okay,
I think this is a potential target, this event is
a potential target, So this is how I would attack it.
I'd write up in operations order and then would be
the onseene liaison. When we did someth like New Years
I was for New Year's Times Square.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I was yeah, anniversary at nine to eleven. Right, big
events there yet, Right, So that's what you were the
because most people is called FBI agent. You were an
FBI special agent in charge.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
But we're all a special agent. If you're a special agent,
you're a special agent.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And then so but there are FBI analysts and there's
FBI police, which are the uniform guys. They're not special agents.
So we're eighteen eleven special agent. So I left there
in twenty thirteen, opened up a company. I got this
very wealthy client that was paying me to do crisis management.
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So I was able to take all the experience and apply.
He was interesting individual basically was worth over one hundred
million at one point, had all these medical offices and
patents and all this stuff. And we got in there
and did I did my due diligence and found out
that he in four months found out that he was
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actually bankrupt, and so that contract that was paying a
lot within within eight months after finding out that he
was bankrupt, he killed himself. So that was the beginning
of my civilian career. And then so from that point forward,
you know, I've done crisis management, and.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So you've been an independent type contractor working for yourself
the last dozen years after twenty years of service in
tons of positions Air Marshall, FBI special agent, a State trooper,
and a Navy seal and a ranger. Holy, and you're how.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Old Jonathan fifty five?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
He got like four years on me. Jeezus, I feel
like a up on a law same. Yeah, this is
I went in as a journalist in the Air Force
when I was eighteen, I got out. I went to
work in television as a cameraman and then worked my
way up to a national talk show. And that's all
I've done.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If I if I could, though, Jonathan, just again, because
I think you're you said your upbringing had to do
with this, but just genuinely, where does that drive come from?
Because I feel like that's missing so much and.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Getting out of the trailer park. Yeah, I mean I
can relate, Like I said, brother, is it just being hungry?
That really it was my drive. I've had two three
jobs my whole life, so I can relate. Nothing as
badass as you. But like I was always doing sales
plus news plus something else. I would work, work, work,
Get that, I mean, not these types of.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I'm not trying to blow smoke it's it's legitimate. I
just I don't there are a lot of it's hard
to find people these days that have that sense of.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And watch it. You're throwing your own generation under the bus.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
How I am. I know, and I apologize, but it's
really true. It's an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I think they might need. Although some of the bros
from the Bros Summer might disagree with you because they're outworking,
But those are conservatives.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Sure, and any look in any generation, you'll find lazy people, sure, certainly, yeah,
who are motivated.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
But if we could clone this guy, we wouldn't have
a lot of problems with lazy Americans.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
We don't want two of these rolling around.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Though.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
We'll make the next one prettier. We'll make the next
one pretty here, Jonathan, all right, now we can get
the current events, because that's one of the main reasons
I wanted to have you on. But we need to
spend some background time so folks understand what this guy says.
He's got just a smidge of experience in what he's
talking about. So with all these jobs and with all
the unrest that's going on in the country, I guess
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we can start with top of mind and that would
be Iran, Israel and US involvement. And then I'd like
to bring it back home and talk about the paid
for riots on immigration and hit immigration and the protests,
and we could maybe do some law enforcement. Should Derek
chauven get pardon because he didn't kill George Floyd.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Anyway, too, if we have time, cash Dan.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Cash the files. I know Jonath's big on releasing the
files and getting rid of the corruption. So let's get
your take as a former Navy seal and you said ranger.
So we're talking special forces here, folks. And if we
do something in Iran, which I fully trust that President
Trump will not be listening to the warmongers and send
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boots on the ground, I think the only thing he
may do if he does anything in the two weeks
he said today, I'm going to take two weeks and
decided in two weeks might be one of the bunkerbuster
bombs from the B two hit that whatever it's called
fordoh fourda place right, Whether they've got the nukes, yep. Sure,
And that's it. And I hope that's all he does,
if he does anything, because maybe diplomacy will work, maybe
the Jews will take him out and I totally be dead.
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Who the hell knows, but for a guy that's got
this resume, I'm gonna know what Dilliam thinks.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It's interesting, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So first of all, answering the one question about what
keeps somebody like me going high, I do all the stuff?
Is that now, and I'll show you how this relates
to this other question? Is that you know, when you
have somebody who, like my mom always told me there's
nothing I can't do. So she'd kind of built me
up to believe in myself. My faith in God has
always been very very strong, in Jesus and the fact
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that there was a price paid for my life, right,
So that's always been my motivation is I'm here and
I trust me. I spend a lot of time doing nothing.
I mean, try writing a book that is being lazy
with a purpose, right, So that There's been lots of
times when I wasn't doing anything right. So, but I've
always been driven, and I'm much better when I'm actually
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working when I have work, Like I have clients now,
one particular client that you know, I have many of
my guys working on these world tours with them, And
when I'm busy, I'm at my best, and the military
is the same way. So the president has to weigh
these options. He has to weigh the option the fact
that you have the military industrial complex. It's always wanting
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you to go to war, and people have to realize
that's not just contract contractor companies that make the weapons.
This is also politicians who get paid for that. It's
talking heads who get paid for saying this or that, yep,
and so you know, we the president has to realize
that all those things are in play. You have the
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military industrial complex that wants to create wars. You have
war fighters who are like, war should not be elusive
to us. I used to have a friend who was
a seal, and we were always angry because we didn't
get to go in We went into Columbia, but we
didn't get to fight in Columbia. We just went and
trained them. And so we were always in agreement that
war should not be elusive to a seal. And so
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you have guys like that that are ready, they are
ready to go, and pilots are the same way, they're
ready to do that mission. So the president has to
weigh all that on top of the fact that you
have all these talking heads that are coming out and
somehow have discovered that in their talking points the same
as the left, that all of a sudden, Israel is
the enemy of the world.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And so he has to Jonathan, why are all of
a sudden do we have people in the Mega America
First movement and right wingers out there saying that Jews
are the devil like and that they're the aggressors and
they're the problem. Listen, you don't have to agree with Bibby.
You don't agree with his administration, just like I didn't
agree with Joe Biden and his regime. But I don't
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hate America and Americans because I hated Joe Biden's administration.
I uh yeah. Everybody yacking on social media and firing
people up with anti Semitism. I saw a guy the
other day say that he thought that, you know, what
we've been told about World War two was a fairy
tale about the Jews, like Auschwitz was a fairy tale.
Are you what did you not? Are you too young
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to see the videos and the pictures of the body
stacked up and the bulldozers putting them in, and the
big furnaces, the images of when American troops went into
some of the camps and they were like seventy nine
pound adults begging for help through the fences. Oh yeah,
that's a fairy tale. It's all six and a half
billion people didn't freaking die because they were Jews eighty
years ago. It's like, who the hell made that up?
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And you're right, Jonathan, well thing.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Those people that are pushing that stuff, you could ask them,
like I'm watching this documentary about the Six Day War
that Israel had against many different nations there and that
happened twenty years after that they had become a nation,
But I didn't realize there were settlers there for many
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years before they actually became a nation and were recognized
as a nation, and they had been taunted, you know,
settlers have been had been attacked and killed for over
twenty years.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Talking modern times that you said your biblical and believing
in Jesus and God, so to whine. If you go
way back, okay and pull up different verses in different books,
it tells you point blank that God is for the
people of Jerusalem, and if you go against the nation
of Jerusalem and the Jews, you're going to against them.
Now there's Christians that say, well, we don't like Jews
because the older Jews don't believe in Jesus. And I
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understand that you think that, and that's okay that they
don't because that's their religion. But maybe that's part of
God's plan because think about it Old Testament in Jews, right,
And if you go back to when Jesus was crucified,
the Romans didn't really care either way. It was the
Jews that brought Jesus to them and said, hey, he's
out telling lies. He's the son of our God. You
got to get rid of this crap. It's causing unrest
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in our community. And the Romans are like, yeah, we
don't really care what's happening with you Jews, but okay,
to appease you, we'll go flog him and crucify him
and all that, and they did. It was that God's plan. Yeah,
So why are you going against the people that he
chose to first share his word with the world. Then
he used those people again to have his son die
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on the cross to forgive us of our sins. So
how could you go against those people again? Notice I
didn't say Israel the country christ or Bibbi's administration. I'm
talking about the Jewish people who've been almost exterminated, yes,
over the centuries, not just World War Two. They've been
exterminated almost over the centuries because of who they are. Now,
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I don't know anybody else on the planet that's had
that type of persecution by multiple people that wanted them dead. Muslims, Christians,
like lots of people over the centuries have wanted Jews dead.
And I don't know, Jonathan. You know current numbers between
America and Israel where most Jews are, there's about sixteen
sixteen and a half million left on the whole planet.
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So and when I hear this whole thing, some of
their days said, oh, well, if we want a rand
to give up their nukes, tell Israel to give up
their nukes.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Oh I know exactly who that was.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So, Jonathan, fill me in on this. If somebody's trying
to create a nuke to kill people versus somebody's trying
to have a nuke to defend themselves, I look at
its the same way that I have a CCW. I
went and followed the law to get my CCW to
carry a gun, not to kill people, to protect my family.
The Iranians are trying to make a nuke to kill
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the little Devil and the big Devil. The Iatola has
told you that for forty six years. How stupid are
you people that are defending Iran. The people that live
in Iran right now are posting videos cheering on the
attacks of Israel because they want the Iatolin's regime gone.
Now again, that doesn't mean I'm warmongering. I'm no Zionists
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that's getting paid or a shill for Israel. Biby doesn't
call me and send me money. I'm just going off
of biblical facts being a Christian. Also, what I know
of fifty some years on this rock of what the
Iotolins regime has said to us and the world that
they want the little and big devil dead, and that
you're trying to create a nuke, not to give your
country energy, but to kill the devils you think that
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are devils. Israel has a new to protect themselves. Why
do we have nukes, Jonathan, because we're trying to kill people.
Why does America have the most nukes out.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
There to deter I mean to deter and to ensure
that we have the equal footing against those who want
to kill us. I mean, it's the same thing where
you're just talking about a minute ago. We were talking
about this last night, is that you know I have guns.
I didn't go out and buy those guns so I
could for the purpose of killing some man. I bought
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those guns for the purpose of defending myself. And if
somebody goes to a gun store and says I want
to buy a gun because I'm going to kill somebody,
see how that works out.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, right, they don't sell you that guns.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's the same thing if you have a nuke, or
if you're working to get a nuke, and you tell
the world the purpose of me having this nuke is
so that I can eliminate Israel off the map.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Forty years And what is Trump said for twenty years
they cannot have a nuke. Now, I know that plenty
of folks on our side now are going this is
a rack two point zero. They've been saying they're this
close to enriching uranium and making a nuke for twenty
thirty years. It's the Jews and Bibbi lying to us.
And We're not going to get drugg into another freaking
twenty one year war over bs weapons of mass destruction.
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Guess what, folks, you got two veterans on the show.
You think we want our brothers and sisters to go
to a freaking war. Of course we don't. And this
isn't weapons of mass destruction? They are trying? Are they?
Forty percent? Sixty percent, seventy percent? In Richmond? I think
you have to reach what eighty eight eighty nine percent
to make a nuke? I don't know. I don't know
what the intelligence shows. Trump knows, and I trust Trump
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to do what's right. He has said constantly we will
not get in another endless war. He was the first
president in our lifetimes not to get us into a
war on his first term. I trust the man. Now, Jonathan,
how about.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
You're the only president in my entire lifetime?
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Well yeah, because you're twenty six.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Well, but the point is, the point is I think
it's important to make that very clear. I'm glad you
said that in my entire living experience, literally my whole
not my adult life, my entire freaking life.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Well, yeah, we've been around since like Johnson, Uh, well
he ate, Well wait here, you're fifty five. I'm trying
to go back to Carter and Ford, and then before Ford.
So I was only Ford. I was seventy four. Who
was in seventy four? It was Ford? Right, yeah, it
was fo Yeah, it was for yes, so Ford, Carter, Reagan,
hw Clinton, so back so yeah eight.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Now so I got back into Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama,
Donald Trump, Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And all of them worse.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah and so, and I'm looking at Trump and I'm thinking,
so he comes in, even before he gets in offices,
we're gonna end this thing between Russian and Ukraine. Already
loved that he prevented that from happening during his first term.
Then as soon as Joe Biden gets in less than
a year later, basically Putin invades Ukraine completely unsupplied.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And look at Afghanistan. Trump was the one that got
the plan to get us out because he said we're
done with that war. But it was in his exit strategy.
Joe came in crik over and now we know that
Joe with the dementia, is the one that wasn't even
listening to some of the generals. He was the one
that made the call to leave the equipment, lead people
behind and bail out and let the Taliban take back
over completely, probably because he didn't know what the hell
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he does so so they were auto penning everything.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I see this lack of trust and faith in this administration,
and I think it's so painfully ironic because in my
entire experience, there's been one man that's gotten war's either over.
He prevented a nuclear kerfuffle between India and Pakistan just
a few months ago. And I think that he needs more,
a lot more. Athan he's getting does have a little
bit of faith, just a little bit of trust because
he's actively working on his whole administration. Pete hegg Seth,
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Steve Wikoff.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
These people. But everybody's saying he Trump's going to be
told by the neo cons and the military complex to
go to war, go to war.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Well I don't.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I don't doubt if he's the president he'll tell them
no exactly. Sure.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
There are people in Washington, lobbyists and others who are
going to try to push for that, but that doesn't
mean he's going to listen. So let's give him a
little bit of faith and credence here, because the results
speak for themselves. He's done this before, he'll do it again.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Amen. Faith So, Jonathan, what do you think this big
break within the Mega America First movement is of people
fighting back and forth. I think it's probably threefold. I'll
give you my opinion. I'd love to hear yours. I
think you have people that just do it for clicks,
likes and downloads to make a buck, that are drifting,
they don't care. I think there are people who are
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being paid to say it. And then I think there
are people that are true anti Semis who hate Jews,
and probably some folks that are saying all the crap
are a little bit of all three sprinkled in.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
What do you think, Jonathan, Yeah, I think definitely that.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I just find it very interesting that you have the
left who's screaming support Palestine, you know, Israel and the
Jews are evil and they're trying to commit genocide against Muslims,
and then on the right, all of a sudden, you
have people saying that the Jews are not to be trusted,
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that they're the problem or the foundation of every problem
that we have globally, that they outso.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Every modern war in the middle of the house.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
So what happens when when you draw a circle like that,
there's somebody that's controlling that narrative. Because for two different
groups that believe absolutely the opposite of the way things
should be in this world, somehow end up at the
same point. It's not because they've done their critical thinking.
It's because they are being programmed. And I think, so
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you have a few of those talking heads, you also
have a tremendous amount of the airwaves, mainstream media, and
then the social media, which is growing and so, and
then you have these obscure places like substack or telegram
and different places where people go get information. I think
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I was telling you this on your show that, like,
I have two friends. One works for me and the
other one is a really good friend of mine, two
totally different careers, never met each other. But I know
for a fact, like there was a thing that came
out yesterday. I saw a meme about it that they're
sending over an aircraft care that's fifty years old, and
how that is definitely a setup so that they can
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get that.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Aircraft carrier attacked.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I think I said, aircraft care, aircraft carrier attacked, and
that will kick it off for us to.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Be in the war.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
And I knew that both of these guys would be
sharing that information, and they did.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
They did.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
They hear one of your lean's left one of your friendliness, right,
but then.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Share No, no, no, they're both conservative.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
They're both they know each other and they're different.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
They just don't know each other, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
They posted the same stuff saying the same thing. But wait,
aren't a lot of our aircraft carriers older? I mean
a lot of our ships are older, our jets are,
our helicopters are. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I actually think, Jonathan, you just touched I love the
conspiracy because you're your three Your three points are great.
I think there's yeah, what do you think? Well, I
would out a fourth. I would just on top of that.
And I truly mean this sheer ignorance. People who don't
understand history, people who don't know about this stuff incompetins.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
That's Trump always have.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
These devices that we can just blast our opinions all
day long. If everyone thinks that they're an expert on
history and thank you policy, and you're not. Respectfully, I'm
certainly not. That's why I don't come out hot and
heavy about it. I just know what my principles are.
I know I stand by American Israel and trust this administration,
and I want peace, and I know you and I
know that the people who are chanting death to America
are a threat to me and my allies.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Having said all, you and I are one hundred and
ten percent of agreement. We don't want war, but I'm
sticking up for the people of Israel and the people
of America. Correct, not an administration, and that's well. Administration.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Trump has said no long term engagements. No, he's not
saying regime change, no record straight.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Bibby said it not Trump. Trump specifically said no, I'm
not down for regime change. I'm not talking about that.
He just said they can't have a nuke. Correct.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Because his prior, his only priority as an American president
is protecting us and our interests. That's that shouldn't even
be part of it. So I just think part of this, though,
is ignorance. I do a lot of people who just
aren't well read, and it's like there's a correlation. The
people who are the least knowledgeable have the loudest voices.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Well, there's people on our side. Do we always think
the left has sheeople no rights, got people too?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
No, I agree with that. I think that I think
all those people right now are coalescing together and finding
a lot of friendship and union in each other's arms.
And it's deeply disturbing because that kind of ignorance and
the rhetoric can lead to real world consequences. That's a point.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Let me, yeah, let me let me.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Say one thing.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Please, let me say one thing about this is that
when you say ignorance, there's a difference between and I mean,
in my mind, I know that all the the social
media English experts out there, the same ones that no
biology and warfare somehow would correct.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Me on this, but I.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Think there's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. And ignorance
is somebody who doesn't know the facts. They're ignorant of history,
they're ignorant of how intel services work. But the people
who know that they don't know, but then choose to
follow somebody without doing any research on that, they're stupid.
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And so we have a tremendous amount of stupidity, and
then a lot of people who are ignorant and they're
just too lazy to go and think about it do
their own critical thinking. So we have a tremendous amount
of people in this country and around the world, but
this country in particular, where you are free to think
(50:51):
the way you want to think, and freedom is not
the cancer, but complacency and laziness are cancers that actual
destroy freedom.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
And so that's what I.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Think about clip that post that clip that that's a
great statement God, and seriously, so.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That's what's happening. That's what's happening in this country.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Is that what we're seeing is that people don't do
critical thinking. They couldn't tell you about the history of Israel.
They never looked back on the Sixth Day War. Yes,
that's true. But I can be hyper critical of the
right because the right is full of people who are
on the cusps or they do know what's right. They
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do know, they have done enough critical thinking.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Left, let's be real, they don't. They're based in reality
and science and God. And they chose Trump right, right.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
They chose Trump right the first the first the first
presidency that that President Trump had the first term.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
He didn't take us into wars.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
He wasn't as swayed by the military industrial complex. He
he attacked Iran's solemony, killed him and didn't get us
in the warmer.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Yes, yeah, but for some reason.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Now, all these people believe because the narrative that's given
to them, and they won't go do their own research,
they won't look at history. Now they believe that somehow,
some way, President Trump is not capable of taking the
intel and making the same decision. I know he's taken
intel from Tulci Gabbard, who I never liked, and I
don't think she when she spoke her sound bites, I
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didn't agree with those sound bites, and I think President
Trump was able to look at that and say, I
don't care what she said.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
This is what I said.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
This is what he said on Air Force one to
the reporter, I don't care what she said. Here's the policy,
because I'm the damn president.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Well, so, John, We're I'm sorry, please please.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
No, We're just I think that the nation is filled
with this, that the social media has been the ultimate
pill for narcissism. And so we have a lot of
people now who used to go, like, you know, thirty
when we grew up, Dan, we grew up in areas
where people would go to church and then with God,
or they would be in school and they would you know,
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gossip about other people. But now everybody goes to social
media and they take in that same gossip. But then
they go online and they act like that is their knowledge,
like they came up with that on their own. But
I know they didn't, because there's no difference between their
narrative and the narrative of people that I know for
a fact are playing them. And being in back in
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media and seeing the backside of media, you realize it's
all entertainment.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
A lot of it is entertainment, right, it's news, but
it's also entertainment. What we do, we give some correct
we entertain.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
And people don't realize that, and then they repeat these
and if they think Tucker Carlson or people like that,
you know, are these virtuous individuals.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
You know, they don't know Tucker's background.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Right, and they don't know even one hundred percent. Well,
you saw you he called Trump and apologized, right, he
could apologize. Oh yeah, really, I would never have noticed.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
I would never have another thing to do.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Had lunch with him today yesterday? Yeah, No, I want
I want to ask you something about canvae Owens. People
we're talking abo her being anti Semite, because three four
years ago she was fine with supporting Israel. Now she's
like the Jews are the devil.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, right now, Candis Owens wouldn't even be anybody if
she hadn't have been hooked up with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Thank you say that asking this is a vet because
on a lot of vets watch our show. She day
before Yester, on her show, called for active duty military
members to desert, leave their post, walk away if Trump
sends US to a war in Iran. She told literally
people to take her words the dishonorable discharge. Would you
like to inform miss Owens as a VET, how detrimental
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to your future and just how unpatriotic, anti American you
would be a hashtag pos if you walk away from
your post? And she literally told people take this honorable
discharge on her show, go look it up.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
Candace Owens has done us all a great service. I'll
tell you why. She has shown the.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
World that it doesn't matter if you're black or white,
the color of your skin doesn't matter. You can be
an idiot and it runs through you, void of any gender, color,
anything like that. She's shown exactly what I've been preaching
my whole life. I don't see color, I don't see
a difference in somebody, whether where you were born, where
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we all have equal opportunity, we can be whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
It's right. It's America's shown that she.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Had the opportunity to choose to be stupid, and that's
what she is. And if a veteran does that, they
should be they should be discharged, their career should be ruined.
I would even open I would open up an investigation
on her if I was had the FBI to open
up investigation.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
On her for promoting a treasonous.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Action because she is. I mean, we didn't get to
the FBI coruption. We're almost at an hour. I gotta
get to Since he brought up stupid people, can we
spend three four minutes here with you on the stupid
people doing these violent riots now protests, violent riots. They're
no King's Day crap they did last Saturday, all this
stuff to support illegal immigration and illegal immigrants. I mean,
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first of all, they're getting paid, right, Jonathan, This isn't
natural and organic. But I wanted your reaction as a
cop and as a military member, as an American of
what we've been seeing in the streets of America. And no,
I don't mean the propells to anyone's I'm talking about
the immigration ones because we've had two different protest riots
the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, great, great sound bite and visual when I said
that about cannae, So one's your face that would be that.
That's a great social media clip right there. So uh,
but I will tell you when it comes to these individuals.
I just tweeted or xed out whatever you call, posted
on X a few minutes ago because homeland security, you know,
(56:37):
everybody seems to have to post now on on social
media about what they've done or what's happening. They're they
were talking about what was happening in Portland and how
once again there's riots there. They're using the lasers into
the into the eyes of the ICE agents. There were explosions, exposures,
five people entered into the building and some agents got
(56:57):
hurt and stuff. And so I tweeted out like, this
is a predictable attacker. It's a predictable location for attacker.
They're using predictable tactics. Why aren't you getting out in
front of this because Dan, all of this is orchestrated.
Now you may have useful idiots that show up and
take part in it. But the actual protests that are riots.
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First of all, they're not covered by the First Amendment.
I don't care what anybody says. That's not assembly.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
That's a right peaceful assembly. That's what it says, Okay.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
And so they're showing up and you can see the organization,
you can see how they talk to each other, what
they're wearing, the fact that a guy shows up and
supplies these specialized masks that costs like two hundred, three
hundred dollars each and he's just handing them out like
crazy for the tests because they have a limited amount
or unlimited amount of money that they can spend. And
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there was an article I got it right here. It
was written in after the twenty twenty election, and it
was written in the New Yorker No I'm sorry, Time magazine,
and it's called the Secret History of the Shadow Campaign
that saved the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
And it's exactly like a jailhouse confession.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
It is the Democrat Power operatives talking about how they
can start a protest, a rally, or a party anywhere
in the United States in twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
See they left out riot. But that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
What majority that turns into yep, and so that this
article really lays out how program they are, how organized
they are, how they can work from the top levels
of politics and money to orchestrate these things. And so
they have people that are trained that they can file
over the place. Meanwhile, New York, Chicago, LA, they're having
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meetings constantly, just like they did in the sixties, where hey,
communism is great, come let's talk about it. And so
that's what occurs. And then you have the rest of
these ignorant.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Right use look at people show up right with the
eight agitators and the professional Uh well, we saw ads
for people that I mean you saw the one on
Craiglist where they were like, we want a real headbuster,
somebody that will bust heads twelve grand for this whole week.
They're paying people. I've had a guy on my show
he's never coming on again, named Adam Swart, who literally
runs a company called Crowds on Demand, and he admitted, well,
(59:19):
he goes, but I never I never hire people with
my company. They're going to go to the violent ones.
And I'm like, how the hell do you know if
they're gonna turn violent or not. And by the way,
it's not organic if you have to pay people to
show up, because this is America. If you feel strongly
about something and you want to air the agreements with
your with your government, and you step into the street,
you're supposed to peacefully assembly. You don't get in the road,
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stop commerce, stop fire trucks and ambulances and pregnant people
from going to the hospital. You don't destroy businesses. And no,
you stand in the street corner and you protest. That's
not what Look at the video right now, folks, that's
not what this is. We're gonna lose him soon. We're
almost at an hour. I know you want to talk
to FBI too. We gotta we do, But I just I.
Speaker 3 (59:58):
Want to wrap this. Yeah, both hit on the the
crux of this. So for people who aren't in the
weeds about politics and news, I get questions all the
time family friends, they say, you know, whenever something egregious happens,
you see what Biden does with lawfair. The right doesn't organize,
but the left you see so much organization, and you
realize they're so much better at organizing because everything's astrotrift
(01:00:18):
and literally organized like they've been doing this since the sixties.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Rules for radicals.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
They have a formula, they have a playbook, they have
the actors in place ready to go. We won't do that.
Not American doctives. Don't do it on college campuses. These
universities are teaching the ideas that are leading to the
destruction of this country. They have the infrastructure laid out,
they have the sources of the world, they have their
donors to bankroll all of this crap. So the left
has literally spent half a century or more building out
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the infrastructure to bring down this country any moment's notice
with a ridiculous crap like this right, and the right hasn't.
So I just it's kind of a thought that just
we got to get better, organize and fight back.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
But also don't forget we were paying for some of
this crap because a lot of that USAID money that
was going over somewhere filtering and coming right back around
to pay for some of this crap. So, Jonathan, we
were paying for it. That's that's the scary thing with
our tax money. And the ironic Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
No, You're absolutely right, And that's what's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You know, people talk about this individual, that individual funding
all this stuff. The reality is we've been funding it
and and.
Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Trump so stop it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yes, so back to Trump and this is I'll just
say this about the FBI.
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
This will sum it all up.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, is that real quick? My question the simple one. Yeah,
we know it's been crup forever. You worked it as
a special agent. We got Bongino and Puttel in there.
There's a lot of files people want to see, whether
it's Epstein, rfk jfk UFO, you name it. I think
let's clean it up first before we start talking files
and everybody's all angst. After five months, give us the files. Cash,
do you think they're going to be able to break
(01:01:47):
through the corruption and clean things up? And then yeah,
what do you think about releasing the files?
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I think Cash, Retel, and Dan Bongena were the wrong
picks for this job. I think that there needed to
be somebody who knows how the FBI works. They clearly
don't because they aren't firing people. They're reorganizing, pushing people
here and there, and when something does something drastically wrong,
they'll fire them. But reassigning someone or asking them to
(01:02:15):
retire does nothing to fix the problem. There's mafia's that
run the FBI. And these mafias are made up of careerists,
the lesbian mafia, the swat team mafia, the I mean,
you name it, they're in there, the leftist mafia. These people,
once they get in a position of authority, they stack
the ranks with people that identify with the way that
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they do. And I'm seeing none of that change. And
so along with that, they're also not doing it. The
fact that I know they're not doing that tells me
that they're most likely not opening investigations on all these people.
The judges that have harbored criminals, these rioters, anybody else
(01:02:56):
who's done any of these things. They could be opening
investigating charges. They could be opening investigations and linking all
these people together and then running a Rico case. I
don't see that occurring. So I will say this. If
President Trump wants to keep them in there, and they
want to reorganize the FBI and get it running, well, okay,
(01:03:16):
that's fine, But I think we need a justice Zar
that's like Tom Homan, but somebody who goes through all
of the agencies and developed common practices, tactics, techniques, and
procedures for each individual agency and then all of them
the shared tactics, techniques, and procedures that the leftists used
(01:03:37):
because they're still running these agencies, and we have to
have somebody separate from the people that are running the
agencies to run this investigation that has to be done.
And if it does, if it isn't done, we're going
to be in the same place in three and a
half more years. And I want to say one other
thing though about the war in general, is that we
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are war weary because after the World War II, we
went from the Department of War and the Secretary of
War to the Department of Justice and the I'm sorry,
the Department of Defense and the Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Right, so I went from war to defense.
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
And also our symbol, the as symbol of the United States,
the egle went from holding the arrows and holding the
and looking at the arrows and holding the olive branches
in reserve, which is diplomacy. Now the egle looks at
the alli of branches and holds force in reserve. So
those things happened at the same time, and so we progressed,
(01:04:41):
and from that point forward we've never won a war.
Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
We've never won a war.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I mean, think about it, that we won battles Vietnam,
we left Irack.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So the fact is that President Trump did not get
us into a new war. But I trust him that
if he runs warfare the way he ran his campaign,
he's going to be able to see where we are
moving forward to eliminate the enemy. Now this is where
I don't disagree with President Trump because I don't know
(01:05:12):
what he's thinking. But this is where so people would
say you're a warmonger.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I don't want war, but I believe war is natural
to man. And if you are going to commit to
an enemy that has told you he wants to eliminate
your ally or wants to injure you, then you should
commit to the fight to eliminate that enemy, not go
and sit there and play patty cake and then reorganize.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
That's a great point. Why beyond the defense when the
bad guys told you what he wants to do, and
that's take you out. And that's not warmongering because just
like Jonathan, I do not want boots on the ground
to interran But we know what the Ayatola has said.
Trump has said, no nukes if they don't adhere in
two weeks, and that beautiful beautiful b two stell bomber
(01:05:58):
drops a bunker buster or two. Well, then so be it.
He gave you an out for diplomacy, Ayatola, you should
take it. Yeah, one final question, really.
Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I do so just on the FBI. Note for a second,
speaking of the enemy within this country. Uh, and that
these these unelected bureaucrats at the FBI who've done so
much damage. I want to ask you about James Comy
because of all the things I want accountability for, it
is the Russia collusion hoax, the plot to keep President
Trump out of the White House, true to it almost worked,
completely undermine the will of the American people.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
And that was the FBI.
Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Years and years later, that escalates into setting the stage
for an assassination attempt. They shot the guy that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Put your hand down. They're gonna say you're Nazi.
Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Oh, I'm so sorry. This is this is insane.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Don't do the science. Don't do you all right?
Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
But I do, John, How do we get to real
accountability for for James Comy because what he has done is,
in my opinion, just a disgusting betrayal of what you're
supposed to stand for in a position like that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Is Director Yeah, can you go like undercover and set
him up and get some evidence that we can throw
his outs in prison.
Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
For Well, I don't think we have to because here's
the reality.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
In two thousand and eight, we changed the DIOG, which
is the investigative bible for the FBI, and for eighteen
hours we had to sit through this nonsense them telling
us we can't do a trash cover anymore, for instance,
where we go in and go through some of these
trash that's been placed on the sidewalk, like ridiculous policy changes,
and this is under Muller. And then they said that
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we're going to take the FBI from the premier law
enforcement agency and make them the premiere domestic intelligence agency.
They literally that was what they were doing. So I
believe Mueller, Comy, and Christopher ray had they're all former
DOJ attorneys, and I believe that they are all working
(01:07:48):
together because when Comy was doing all that stuff, who
was a special prosecutor Muller. So the reality is the
same thing. You could do an investigation. This investigation could
for three years. It's not something has to be taken
down immediately. But you will find links between all these people.
They live in the same areas, they shop at the
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same grocery stores.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
They know the same people.
Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
And just like this time article points out, I can
guarantee you that things that occur that get swayed back
and forth. It's no different than if you go down
in Times Square when it's busy and you watch the
pickpockets sway the crowds so people can walk the opposite
direction and steal wallets.
Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
This is organized.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
It's organized, and I think they're I think they're all
guilty to be proven very easy.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
The radical left organizes, whether it's in the FBI or
on the streets of America. That's one thing the left
does better than the right, and we better figure it
out for future elections.
Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
We got you guys, think whiskey.
Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Yep, you have some well shit.
Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Of course I gotta sitting right here because I saw
you guys had it. Okay, so let me do a toast.
Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I'll do the toast, all right, go ahead, So I
put my I put my cowboy hat. Okay, let's see
if I remember this, here's the line stealing, fighting and drinking.
If you're gonna lie, lie to save a friend, if
you're gonna steal, steal a heart. If you're gonna fight,
fight to win, and if you're gonna drink, drink with me.
Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Chairs Jonathan, thank you a hell of a podcast. Thank you, sir.
I'll drink of that. That's some good two A. Jonathan
Gilliam former FBI Special Agent, Navy Seal Air Marshal, state
trooper from Arkansas and range.
Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Just state pla.
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yep, sorry, he wasn't on the streets like giving out
priblist tickets five hats that I only knew about two.
So it's amazing when you learn more about your guests
and the patriotic duty they've had to this nation. And
that's one of the main reasons I wanted to have
Jonathan Gilliam on. Jonathan, Thanks brother, I'll see you on
the talk show next time.
Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
You got my friend show talking about anytime?
Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Okay, please cheep.
Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
No more is the book and the United States continued
service and our motto is still serving.
Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
There you go and check out your podcast, right, you
have one called the Experts.
Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah, but I haven't done it in over a year
or so. Okay, okay, so you got the money to
start it back up?
Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
All right? Is there a website for everything? All? Jonathan Gilliam.
They can go to there is Jonathan T.
Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Gilliam dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
But if you guys, just anybody wants to find me
on social media, just look for this and they'll find me.
Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
It's one of a guy, all right, Jonathan, Thank you,
brother sheep, No more's the book. Jonathan Gilliam's the guy.
Peace out. Thank you about it?
Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
God bless yep.
Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Cool guy, Huh I told you?
Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Amazing?
Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Interesting, very who do you know in your life it's
that motivated to do that many careers. I want to
go back. I would. I wonder if he's gotten notes
from college when he laid that out from college to death.
I'm going to do all this.
Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I believe it. I think that's real. But I don't
know that many people that even have that kind of
vision who can sit down and say I know exactly
what I want to do with my.
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Vision or drive Yes, yeah, wow, amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Yeah, really we covered a lot. You have people like
that that are serving, by the way, this country because
they're the ones keeping this place together. Yeah, otherwise I
don't know where we'd be right now.
Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Yeah. No, you need war Yeah, you need warriors like that,
And that's that's a Warrior right there, bro, it is okay,
not in out time for our shameless plugs before we
sign off, right, so go to the website OWA and
N dot com one America News Network download it. But
we're also on tons of new providers. We got Spectrum
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(01:11:22):
working on some other big ones that are coming very soon,
so keep watching for that. My show's on at six
or at eight pm. Reather Riley's on at six. You
got Matt Gates at nine, Chanelle Rion after that, so
check out our primetime lineup. Of course, you can watch
twenty four hour news on OA and follow us on
all the social media handles, mister Riley, anything from your
side of the leather.
Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Before we say again, yes, please like this video, subscribe
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so please spread the message. We are in a fight
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Herring family and everything they do for us, and for.
Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
This thank you I forgot and for everyone who works here.
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Everyone's mission driven and it's really an incredible family of people.
Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
So yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Thank you for staying, tune, watch, share, subscribe, like all
the stuff on social media. And if there's someone you
want to see on the podcast who we haven't had
on yet, yes, let us know in the comments, because
I want we.
Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Got some by the way, I saw some the other day.
Next show, I'll bring them up and we'll see if
we can get some of those guests booked. But I
did see people starting to respond to you. So if
you've got a guest you want us to have on,
let us know and we'll do our best to book them.
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the owner of the One American News Network and the
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for Matt Gates, for Chanelle Rhon, for the entire Oan team.
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