7/17/25 Lewis Dix Jr

Lewis Dix Jr joins The Anchormen.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Now it's time for the Anchorman podcast with Matt Gates
and Dan Ball.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
We had three adult children, you know, our oldest, our
sons who graduated morenouse.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hey, thank you, but don't clap. We broke. We ain't
got no money. Six athletic ability.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's what I get for being on top.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
When he was conceived, started off with D one and
just tripled out as community collet's kick.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm sorry, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I did that.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I did like, yeah, that was kind of natty, that
was graphic. I just tripped right out.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
They did it, man, That's what happened when you went time.
When he tried to play football in high school. He's
a freshman and came home Dan, I made the football team,
coach do it. Won't play much, but that's okay. I
just want to be a good teammate. I'm like, kill yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Do you know who seed you on? And how does
Alex Wong get on the court for you?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
What's wrong with you? We never had to watch his uniform.
I'm like, Luke did at least follow in a dirt
look like they played white?

Speaker 4 (01:16):
You see a man?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Because I sit in the car and watch again. White
is something we talked because.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
He's sitting down, Dan, Welcome back to the Anchorman podcast.
I'm Matt Gates here alongside my on again, off again
employee Vish Burah, and we believe we have found the
funniest man in California. Nish and I were at the
comedy store in La Jolla and we heard a set
that had Vish laughing so loud they almost asked him
to leave a comedy club. It was that disruptive. And

(01:42):
Lewis Dix is a legend. This guy lived through the
golden era of sitcoms, hanging with mister Cooper, done collaborations
with DL Hughley. Now got a killer podcast It's a
Man's World, which I mean, this is the collaboration we've
been needing on Anchorman. But Visha tell us more about
Lewis and how we were able to get him to

(02:04):
come hang out with us for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, I as soon as I saw this set, obviously
after I gathered myself from all the laughing that I did,
we knew that we had to have him on the show.
I approached him. He was super humble, gave me his number.
We stayed in contact and as I did my research
on him, realizing he's done these USO tours all over

(02:26):
the world. He's been He's done nights at the Apollo
Historic Venue in Harlem, New York, and you know, and
then the laugh Factory as well, and I'm just like, oh.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
We got to get this guy. He's been on the
scene forever. So we are so proud to have you
Lewis on the show today.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Well, thank you for having me. I was like when
I got your call, it was really interesting. I'm like
vish and I always put a note okay, comedy club okay,
And then you said Matt, and I thought it was
a comedian named Matt that didn't have this is.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
A comedian named Matt. You were right, And I.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Was like, so then I was my wife's like, well
look it up. I said, oh that case and she's.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Like, yeah that guy And I was like, yeah, that's
the guy.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
That was get beat up McCarthy. Yeah, he's the one
that was surrounded by all the old head bullies. Yeah,
that's how it looked when on TV. Looked like all
the oh hey bullies will get a punch you and
You're like all right.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
And you know why, because they just wanted their money,
like like like, do you see some massive sense of
urgency in Congress now or ever to do almost anything?
But you see, they can't get that money train roll
under them until they've put somebody in that leadership post
who can then extract millions of dollars from lobbyists and
special interests and then redistribute that money to congressman in

(03:37):
exchange for favors. Like that is how it works, and
that's why we don't get a lot done. We're a
ton in debt and we get in wars everywhere, and
I am sick of it. So that's what I was.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
It was fun to watch us because we weren't in trouble,
so I weren't in trouble, so we were good. And
then I do dish from the blue suit walking down
the hall with Santo's and I knew you can fight.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
I was like, I was like, all right, he looked
like he can fight, and I'm talking to him. I'm like, oh, yeah,
he can fight. So that was that was cool. The
research was cool. And then shout out to you, Charlie Ward.
Oh yeah with the Bernie Spears. Yeah yeah, Burnie Spears.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Charlie Ward, one of the greatest human beings to walk
the planet Earth in my view.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, and you helped get him the Heisman.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Ah did do that?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Oh you guys started.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I didn't do that, but yeah, it was an organization
committed to his on the field play was what got
him the Heisman. But incredible Christian Uh takes a lot
of time coaching young people. Charlie Ward went on to
the New York Knicks, got in all kind of trouble.
They said he was anti Semitic, and then he gets
up at this press conference and he said, I could

(04:45):
not possibly be anti Semitic because my best friend is
Jewish and his name is Jesus Christ. That now, man,
I loved him. So, Lewis, I want to get a
bunch of you. You have so many great observations about life, fami, fatherhood, marriage,
I'm dying to get your advice on a bunch of
this stuff. But as you look at this awesome career

(05:06):
you've had in comedy and in performance, what are the
highlights that you reflect on?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, I mean, I guess it starts from making the
decision to do comedy because when I first started I
was theater major. Ats no mistake, and I came down
to LA and acting was just rough and it was around,
you know, in the nineties. So then I started doing
stand up comedy. And I started off like everyone else
with Martin Lawrence and Dave and it's Chris Chris Tucker

(05:34):
and everyone was cursing and I was cursing too, And
then I was like, that's a long line. So then
I said, okay, I'm gonna switch and I'm going to
get in the line with only Simbad and doctor Cosmi
and I'll get their hand me ups. So I strategically said, okay,
I'm just gonna do clean comedy and I had to
get my rhythm. And then I met a producer from
the show A Different World and he asked me to
ever thought about doing television warm ups?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
And I didn't know what that was.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
And I had an acting gig on Amen and I
saw Ray Combs and resting. Ray Coombs used to host Family,
one of the shows he used to host, and he
ended up committing suicide, and I was like, okay, I
can do warm up.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
So I started doing warm up. And that was the
time back in.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I guess the early eighties when you came to watch
a sitcom it's usually elderly white men doing the warm ups.
And then when The Cosby Show came in a different world,
they started inviting younger black people, so they needed a
younger black warm up. So I got that gig, and
then I was able to get benefits, great pay and
you're only two times three times a week, and then
you can go work on your stand up, so I
didn't have to curse. So that's how I just started doing.

(06:34):
And I started opening up for people like Ray Childs,
the Righteous Brothers because they didn't want any dirty comics.
So I started getting all those gigs and I do
like the Mark Twain Awards now warm up for that.
So I just carve a niche and then now I
feature for people like Guy Tory and Craig Robinson and
then I do my twenty five thirty minutes. But it's
a great it's a great life. I got to be

(06:54):
with my kids, raise them coach. I coached basketball at
Harvard Westlake, so I'm an assistant coach because.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I have to leave a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Are your kids on your team?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
No, My son is thirty now, our daughter is twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Were they ever? Did you ever coach the team?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah? I coach. I coached my son, So I mean
that's got to be like.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Borderline conflict of interest, because you can't you can't go
right if your kids are good and you play your kids,
all the other parents are mad at you if your
kids suck. They figure, wise, this's got the coach your
kids suck.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
And that yeah he was good, And then you're talking
about the thirty thirty kids, and the thirty thirty kids
are the ones who play when you're up thirty or
down thirty.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Like, what in all of your coaching do you have
like a quintessential experience with a helicopter parent or or
something that that highlights the strife sometimes of that often
voluntary exercise.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
And it's usually interesting that it's the mother. Oh not
to day, because you get into this mail thing like
I can handle the dads, but when the mom comes
and she says, because what happened was the kid we
had to change. You know, we were white instead of black,
so he had on black shows say, change of shorts.
So he started to change right there, and I was like, no,
I got on tights. I said, no, go in the bathroom.
And the mother's like, he can change right there. I

(08:06):
was like, no, he can't. Well I changed, and I'm
a girl, I'm like, he can't. So then he went
and changed because he listened to the coach. And then
the next next week she had she had n't quit
the team.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Wow, because he wasn't allowed to take take his clothes
off yees again.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And I just told her. I tried to tell her,
said why'd you do that?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
So because later on in life, he's going to think
he can do that, and then he's going to be
exposed himself.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Was he a thirty thirty kid or could he?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
He was?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
He was old. Then he didn't mind.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, no, no, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Well, the other kids who were playing who didn't have
money to pay for the club team yet, they were
upset because they had to start paying money because you
got you got certain amount of kids in club basketball
who pay, and then you had a couple of top
three kids who are really good, and they don't huh.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know listen, I mean you got to bring something
to the party, yes, your pay or your play.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
And that was the thing.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
But my son enjoyed it, and he went to Harvard,
then went to Morehouse and now he's you know, working,
and then our daughter is Well, you heard the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
That art is true.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
So I am about to be a parent. I got
that coming in life. So what should I expect? Give
me the Lord? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
She hyphened.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, you know, it's like George Santos. She has a
work name and a home name. You know what you're
having having a boy? Congratulations, got that out of the way. Yeah,
the girl's tough. I heard.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, girl's tough. Boy's good though, because you got that
out of it. How many months?

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Uh, you know, she's we're on the clock.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Good for you. It's gonna be a great experience. It's
the best thing. Yeah, what should I worry about, Well,
don't worry about anything. But she's going to do that.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
So you don't have to worry about that. All you
have to do is just get up.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Do that.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
I got it, honey, I got it. Honey, I got it, honey,
because you eliminate. But you never did this. You got
to eliminate those, you know, because you're newly married.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It sounds like you becoming a slave in your own house.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah, you have to eliminate. Okay, you never did this,
you never did that. No, she has to say he
got up every time the baby, he got up, every
time in the family, whenever I needed something, he got up.
So that's how. And then after ten fifteen years you're
in and she's got to tell all her friends who
aren't as happy as her that this is why I'm happy,

(10:14):
because they're miserable.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
My wife is great. I love her to death. But
with most women, I think they basically want three things
from a man. They want you to make a lot
of money, they want you to look good, and then
they kind of want you to have like the good
parent husband traits. And most men like could do one
of those three things well, and like really great guys

(10:36):
can do two of them well. And all they hear
about is the one thing that they don't like. You
got some porschmuck who's got like washboard abs, great dad.
All his wife's complaining about is that he doesn't make
enough money like you. You've got some rich guy who
you know is a great husband, but all his wife's
going to complain about is that he's overweight. Yes, so

(10:58):
you know, you got to get through that a lot.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
But that's what they do, and that's why they God
bless them, have obgyns. They get to talk about that
or we don't get that conversation. What's going on inside them?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Do you tip the obgyan? I didn't know this. It
feels it's got like the whole energy of getting your
shoe shine, you know, they get the legs up and
the stirrups.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, doctor Hendrix. It's amazing the connection that they have
with their obgyan. Did you sit there and you have
no connection with them except he knows your wife and
you're just like, okay, you know, and he's smiling, happy,
he's easygo, you know. So he's and you're sitting there
because my wife is like, we got to go see Ricky.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know Ricky like that? Can
we call him doctor Hendrix? You know. But it's just

(11:38):
certain things you have to do with your you know,
because you love them. And the whole thing about being
marriage is you have to be selfless, not about you.
It's not about it now. That's why they give us
these man caves. But you're good to go though, because
you have a place to come to. Yeah, work, yes,
and that's a good marriage.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah. And I've always said to my wife, I always
want her to have a job and it's not even
about like the final picture of the family so much
as I need her to have another project. So I
am not the project.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Right, Yeah, I'm lucky. My wife said, detective, So she's
what I'm good. Lois five years so I'm good.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Oh no, that at the glock and you know, she
won't tell me where her backup weapon is.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Way to marry the lead. I mean, you know, how
do you even date a detective?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
They're vulnerable, you know. So when I caught her, she was,
you know, and I was hot in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's right, coming off me.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Sneaks, you know, I had that projection of a great guy,
you know, and then I knew, you know, I kind
of got into women with badges and guns.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
That turned me on. And she's small, you know, so
I was like, oh you like women the hell?

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yeah, you're miss officer a little Wayne come I probably
that's all repeat.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't know Lilla Wayne, but you know, but I'm
Nancy Wilson and Michael Frank Okay, but yeah, it was so, yeah,
we found a mutual understanding and she's you know, she's
in charge in her way, and I get to travel
and come back home.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Do you get like a dad veto, Like I've heard
about this where like you know, if the family operates
like a herd of elephants behind a matriarch, but they're
like you hold a dad veto like wherever you can
just be like no, no, we're not doing that.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah, the rule is they have to You have to
collaborate on the big decisions. Okay, small decisions you get
to make, but you have to be consistent.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Do you get like a dollar amount threshold like anything
under that? Yeahre clear.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Well, if it's a house, car, she's gonna do it.
She's gonna decide. The house is going to be her decision.
It's gonna be her house. A girlfriend's house, you might
have like I got a bathroom that's my bathroom, and
I got a small refrigerator that my buddies can go in.
They they can't use the glasses and hurt, none of that.
So that's okay. When her girlfriends come over, they run
the house and you just go on the back. That's
why you create your own space. And you have to

(14:00):
have a friend that they trust because then you can
go over his house.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I am not that friend for most of my friends.
That's why I have to hang out with single guys
because I am the friend where all the wives are like,
you're not hanging out.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
With ma caids. But it works because you set your
friend up.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
He has to go to certain events, she has to
see his home, she has to see that he won't
make you go out, and all that that okay, And
now it's easy because they got the cell phone and
you know you're all you got to do is give
up your location.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
By the way, I gave that up early, and I
at first, and this is like the decision you make
with a partner where they can track your every move
by your phone. And at first I was like, oh,
this is kind of an invasion of my privacy, but
you know it was important to my wife, so I
let her track the location and it has been so
helpful all the times I've lost my phone. Like, I
don't regret the decision at all. I am happy about it.

(14:50):
But let me posit this theory and you can agree
or attack it. Actually, every woman in twenty twenty five
is a detective. Yes, their tools to like find out
like who you went on one date with six years
ago on social media, a comment you had on an
ex girlfriend's like they know the full dossier on any

(15:13):
man by about date number two.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh that's your generation.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah no, Well, I actually have a first stand experience
with this. I'm usually the friend that when all my
friends want to go out and have fun, they usually say, oh,
I'm going out with this, because you know, they feel
like I'm a safe option or whatever. Well, one night
we did, me and my buddy, We went out with
him without his girlfriend, and he said, hey, let's not

(15:41):
share any pictures, let's not do any social media, let's
just have fun go out. And obviously we're at this
club drinking, you know, there's girls everywhere, et cetera, and me,
being the dummy and the clout diablo that I am.
I do take some footage on Snapchat, and I made
sure I tried my best to keep my friend out

(16:02):
of the footage right so that he wouldn't be in
in there.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And then.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
I posted on Snapchat. And then about ten minutes later,
my buddy's phone starts blowing up and he looks over
at me. He goes, did you share something on Snapchat?
I said, yeah, but I made sure you weren't in it,
and he's like, well, my girlfriend's blowing me up saying
that I'm out hanging with girls with Thish and that's

(16:29):
I told her that we were just going to get
dinner and I'm like, look, you're not Look I showed him.
I was like, you're not in any of the footage.
And he held that for a second. Then he gets
a follow up text and it's a screenshot of one
frame of the video that I put up with a
red circle around his ear and she goes, that's your ear.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
For and that blew it up.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
But yeah, did literally FBI level investigative work from women
these days.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
But that's your generation, and I feel sorry for you
because our generation, we're old.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
We had rotary doll phones.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
We don't have to worry about You can tell when
your wife is going to take a picture beause she
has to say whole steal. And then if she wants
to see something and you know, and I just give
it to my son, you'll delete that, right, delete that?
And they just okay, because you know, they don't like
cops anyway, so they don't like their mom. Yeah that's
but we respect police in our home though they have
the toughest.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well, yeah, it is. I think it's a generational thing.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
I think it's going to evolve into like even you know,
young people running for office with such a giant digital
footprint of so much stuff out there. You know, as
you're a young man, you know, millennial gen Z person
growing up. When you get to thirty five, you know, forty,
maybe run for office or something, and then they go
bring up a treasure trove of your Instagram posts and
your Twitter posts and whatnot. And you know, I think

(17:51):
that that it's it's going to be an interesting run
for my generation.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
But I think like us more forgiving. I think as
people get over exposed, we all start to realize everyone's
done some dumb stuff and put it on social media,
and we're not so chastened by it. People aren't as
pearl clutching. And that really dovetails into where comedy stands
today because we saw such a push like against Chappelle

(18:15):
and others who spoke about in politic issues and were
politically incorrect. But now it does seem to be like
recentering a little bit where you can you could tell
jokes and not get canceled for it. Am I wrong
about the trajectory of that?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Lewis no I think if it comes from a biographical
point of view, then you're able to have more say
like when Dave said that he went to the country,
he went to the Philippine, and then he was able
to talk about transgenders in that way, so you like what.
I couldn't really talk about gay stuff until my daughter
came out. Then it allowed me a license to say,

(18:51):
this is what I'm discovering. And then you learn as
a comedian to play confused instead of hate. That's why
you get in trouble when you say I hate this
or I don't like this, as supposed to say I'm confused.
Now let's talk about it. I'm confused about it. This
is what's happening in my home. So once it's in
your home, once you experience it, you could talk about
it from a factual point of view. Like I'm reading
the book right now called Trans because our daughter is

(19:16):
now dating the trans I mean Jack.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
This is his name, and he's trance.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
So I started reading the book because I'm going to
talk about it, and she was like, well, you need
to be factual, and I said, well, can I be
funny first? So now I'm reading it and there's some
funny stuff. But you want the trans person to laugh,
and you want the non transperson laugh, and you want
some people who don't understand it to understand it. I'm
not going to hate on it, but it is, you know,

(19:44):
because she started off as a lesbian and now she's
dating trans. So my buddy is like, yo, man, least
she's moving back towards guys. So and you know, that's
what you have to look at that, She teases me.
I'm glad you're reading the book. You know, where our
son and it was the truth, I was my truth

(20:04):
was when she told us. I was like, all right,
as long as it's not your brother, because you can
bounce back as girls, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
So I was like okay.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
And and so we have discussions and you have to
be not welcoming because you're not as welcome, you know,
because my brother in law is going through it, and
he's a preacher, his daughters going through what going through
his daughter saying she's gay.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
So yeah, because like those are not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'm learning. I'm not on that chapter yet. Oh I'm
not on that chapter yet.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
As soon as I get to that chapter, then I
can have an opinion, you know, and I agree, I
just don't want to. Well, one, you don't want to
upset the home because just like you were saying, you
want to make sure your home is this place you
can go back to be safe. Then after you get
the knowledge and you can go out to the world
and say this is what I'm doing. But comedy at
right now is just at a point where some guys
are good enough to where they can say what they want.

(20:59):
You know, there's a guy Namedry Hokum who can just
say what he wants. He's fifty one to fifty. He's
just raw and Okay, you have to have a raw personality,
and if you don't, then you can't say certain things.
You know, like Kevin Kevin Hart has a difference. It's
what you're selling. I'm selling family comedy with an edge

(21:21):
and with knowledge, and that's what I want to include everyone,
you know. I don't want to isolate. I don't want
to be I don't want to be typical. I don't
want to do comedy one on one. So I want
to just take it to another level to where you're like, oh, okay,
that if it's the doctor out there and he understands
obgyns and you understand if.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
You have a daughter, you got to white front the back. Okay, well, my.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Guy has always been Patrisea O'Neill, and though you know, like,
but yeah, Patresea's kind of been that guy from my generation.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I think Corey is just a little before that.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, I mean elephant in the room.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
But do you think that comedy is a censored medium today?
Because what you're describing is people self directing their brand,
and that's a very different thing than comedy clubs or
networks or whomever saying you have to have a particular viewpoint,
you have to exclude certain types of content in order

(22:14):
to get the money.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
I think for the live performance, especially now that they're
locking up phones, you don't when you put something on TV.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Then you actually have to think about in the editing room,
I should cut that.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I shouldn't say that because they might say that, they
might come after you.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
But at the clubs, clubs, we're.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Getting back to saying what you want?

Speaker 1 (22:35):
What do you think brought us back?

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Just people being tired of being censored, being tired of
saying can I hear what he's saying?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
First?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I can you just Okay, I'm old enough, I'm over
twenty one. I'm having a drink and now I can't
hear what he's saying. Am I that?

Speaker 4 (22:54):
And then if it's someone next to you that sentien,
You're like, why'd you come out? Why do you what world?
This is the world? You know it's capitol w R.
I'm went to public school.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
You drop them. I know you're know how a spell world.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
WORL.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
So yeah, you just you know, you just have to
understand that it's TV is different. You know, network TV
is different, cables different Netflix. They still censor people. They
take things out, certain things that they want to say.
You'll talk to the comedians. You're like, man, I can't believe
they took that out. Yeah, I can't believe that.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
You know, I wanted that.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
By the way, that used to happen to me on
interviews on networks too, because on some of these news networks,
not ours, which is one hundred percent owned by our proprietor,
mister Herring, but on some news networks they're so in
debt to businesses, hedge funds, foreign governments in some cases
that the people have to say certain things and if

(23:47):
you get an opposing viewpoint, they'll cut that out and
then the people don't even get the benefit of clash.
Like you know, when I grew up, it was the
Republicans who were trying to tell you what you couldn't
talk about right right, and they were always getting this
or that, you know, off TV. It's a whole moral
majority thing that was on the political right, and now
it kind of seems like it's the left that's always

(24:09):
telling people what they can't talk about. And I think
people are just naturally resistant to that.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, it's just like having too many parents. I got
a mom, I got a dad. Now, you know, you get.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
That a lot.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
And especially as an African American or just a boy,
you have so many female teachers trying to tell you
how you should be as a boy. You know, like
when the boys are outside in the yard, they're going
to jump on each other. And first thing in female teacher,
don't jump, And you gotta tell them, you guys, say, hey,
let them jumps. That's what they do, just like you
women talk. They're jumping. They have to wrestle. That's how

(24:41):
they become firemen and policemen, and that's how they become
soldiers because that's what they do. Now, if you don't
let them do that. Then they become Jack. See that's me,
and that's funny, that's factual. That's funny.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Jacksman in the weight room.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Though, Jack, you're gonna have to be careful around Jackson.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
And I met Jack. I just met Jack.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
We had lunch and they have Jack has to all
my daughter's friends have to meet mom and brother first.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Then I get also, you back clean, you have a
you have a vet, a pre vet system. Yes, you
got to report back from mom and brother.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
No, they just don't want She just doesn't want them
to meet me first because I'm I would say what
you were saying that? And then she because my daughter's like,
all right, nothing inappropriate dad. Then you know, I'm like
So when I first met Jack, I was like, hey,
you got great teeth, you know all right? And then
I was like because I went to it was funny
because I went to hug it. But then I was like, okay,
he's Jack now, so I'm gonna shake his hand. But

(25:43):
then I was like, hey, can I hug you? And
he was like yeah, and I was like all right.
Then I caught myself because I was like, dag, you
hugged soft Jack and my daughter's like, that's one.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
At the intro to your burning one on the right, right.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
So I'm like, all right, but you just good thing
you raised her.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
And that's the thing of being That's one of the
most important things being a parent is be present. You
gotta be present. You gotta because mom will take up
the school. You gotta take her up to school. She's
got it. The kids have to see you on campus
because then the boys and the girls know that she
has a mom and dad, and they have to treat
her a certain way or treat him a certain way.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
All right. So with a boy, what's like the hardest
part of raising a boy. You've done that, you sent
one to Harvard, and.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, the toughest thing with the boy is is they
believe everything when you're first grown up, and you have
to be consistent.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
You have to one thing.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
You have to do as far as like, my dad
was just googled at every.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Woman that he saw, you know, I know the type.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
So and I made a decision not to do that,
even though a girl walked by and she was fine.
I had to force myself, don't look. I don't want
him thinking like that. Okay, I got it to do that.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's the first thing.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Another thing was I'm going to open the door for
your mom, close the door for your mom. Hey, get
the door for your mom. Let's get these chores, certain
things that I need you. Okay, Let's learn how to
change his tire, Let's learn how to do a bicycles,
learn how to see what this is so around the house,
because I don't need you coming to me saying, hey dad,
how do you do that? And this is a reflection
of me. So I told them all the little things
I know. And then once you reach a certain age,

(27:12):
you have to try not to knock him out because
once he gets up there, you got to figure out
how am I gonna deal with this testosteron. I'm gonna
ignore you, okay, man, you're emotional right now. We're not
gonna talk about it right now because I don't want
to be upset, because if I'm upset, I'm gonna win,
you know. And then you and then listen to her
saying don't don't say that to him, don't say listen,
this is me.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
I know me, he is me. Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Now that goes back to you being there all the time. Now,
she can't take that away from you because if you're
not there, She said, you don't know him because you're
never there, You're always somewhere. Well, you can't use that
on me.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
So do you have like a policy on when mom
and dad have a disagreement? Does that go to a
separate room for resolution? Do you resolve that in front
of the kids? Is it impractical to think you can
never fight in front of your kids?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Sometimes you like, I wasn't gonna be a yeller like
my dad, But I don't want to talk about it
right now, is what men say.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I don't want to talk about it right now, but
they want to talk about it. Let's discuss this. I don't.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Can we eat first? No, we need to discuss it
out in front of them. Yes, they need to hear
because they got to grow up soon. Okay, really, let's
just go on the room and then hopefully your kids
are smart enough to say we don't want to hear it,
go upstairs and talk. So that's the kind of kids
we have. But yeah, you do, you work hard at
not but it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I mean, like conflict happens in any I don't
fear that, like because I think my wife and I
have really good conflict resolution skills, and I would want
to display those to my son. I would want him
to see, like, there are times where people don't agree
and you need to listen to the person. You need
to acknowledge that you know, there's there's clarity in your
void viewpoint as well that you need to share. And

(28:49):
you know, I don't know, maybe maybe they need to
see how the sausage is made a little.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, And I do a thing where I try to
make it funny, and of course my always like everything's
not funny. And then I have a thing that I
use whenever she's upset in front of the cause I say, oh,
you just want to kiss, that's.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
All that' oh you just you just turn on the Romeo.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, you just want to You just want to kiss,
that's all. And she's like, no, I've had enough kisses
from you. That's why we have these kids. And then
she'll flip it back, you know, but they know she's
she has a disposition, and she has a calmness because
she's been on the streets and she has a gun
and she could take someone's life, so she has an
inner thing, but she's still a woman. Sorry to generalize,
but women are women. You can't can't get around that.

(29:28):
They're going to be emotional. They're going to try you.
They're going to try to find your weaknesses. And that's
the beauty of them because as men, we have no
weaknessess to be honest.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Amen, But I think that like when you get the
right girl, uh, she shows you those weaknesses and you
actually work to improve them. But there's so many men
out there and our audiences, it's a lot of young
men who watch our program and they want that traditional wife. Uh,
And when they meet the right girl, it's like, oh shoot,

(30:00):
like I need to start going to the gym. Oh man,
if I want to really date this person, I've got
to get better grades or I've got to start thinking
about my future in more compelling ways. I think that
it can be one of the great drivers of a
man to like have a woman urging them on, but
with the acknowledgment of those weaknesses and frailties.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, because they'll throw therapy at you.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Oh no, a go we have to no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm not playing this game with a referee. We're doing
Lincoln Douglas style. Yeah, I'm not bringing a referee into
my marriage. No, no, no, no, I didn't marry some therapist
or some referee. It's gonna be me and my wife,
right or die?

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah, and nothing funny. Then you go into a therapist
and that therapist has been divorced three times. I'm gonna
listen to her, her failures.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Really, this is what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's a true story. And I'm like, no, we're not
doing that. Oh you think you can fix everything. You
know what. I'm gonna try, but I'm not paying her.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Insurance gives us five visits, okay.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
And by the way, they're only The therapist's only job
in those five visits is to get you to pay
for the sixth one.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right, have you come back for five?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
No one's ever like, hey, you were cured in five, right,
we got you, We got you in like we have
unpacked some things with Lewis that are gonna require months
of extensive treatment.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Oh yeah, they try.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay, I'm gonna see her five times and then see
you five times and you guys come together.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
No, no, that's a logistical night. Now, I got.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Buddies, my buddy's Fat Paul, Peanut and Boogie. They can
get it.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
That sounds like divide and conquer. That's but this is
the therapy generation, these kids, you know, the Zoomers. Did
your kids ever try to like drag you into some
sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Well, I should tell them all the time now that
I'm in therapy, I'm not just tell my.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Daughter that that's great.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, get you some dad points.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, she's working on some things. She can't verify it.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
No, it's a hippo violation.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's good.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Well, the therapy thing, I've had many mostly women, tell me, oh,
you need to go to therapy, you need to go
to therapy. And I'm like, I've always believed, like therapy
is something for people without friends that they can confide in.
You know, I I have a problem. I go to
a good friend of mine who knows me well, who's

(32:13):
known me over the years, and I'm able to express
you know, hey, man, this is what I'm going through,
this is my problem. They'll just give it to me
rob based on how they know me, what they know,
what I've been through and all that, how I am
behind closed doors, et cetera. But you know, I just
can't fathom like walking into a therapist's office and just
like spilling your guts out to someone who you don't
even know.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I just have to say, if a woman is telling
you that you need therapy, she there is a non
zero part of her that wants to date you.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
And any figures that if just like some stuff was,
you know, sh have fixed a little bit that you
might be like salvageable as as a partner.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
So that's that's a clear tell. I know homies who
are in therapy with just their girlfriends and I'm like, what, like,
you're not even marri Like you could leave at any time,
and you're on a therapy run with this check.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Now we're at a point now where girlfriends get wives clout,
and before they didn't. Oh you see the guys on
TV with their girlfriends. You're like, oh, she doesn't get
on TV. She's just a girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
But she's sitting right there with you on the draft like, yo, man,
she's a girlfriend. Man, Now what you're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
She's getting this kind of clout as a girlfriend, as
a wife, she's getting your mother's maiden name, sob security number,
You're done.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh, it's all about managing expectations and you can't put
too much. You can't go too hard too early in
a relationship those first few days, like you almost need
to display some things that you know you can fix,
so you're showing some progress along the way.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, the way, that's how you figure guys who were
just mean keep a girl.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And too many do.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I believe every single man on the planet Earth is
either an affirmer with women or a degrader. There's no
every single man treats their relationship with women as trying
to build that woman up or try to move them
down in some sort of competitive thing. And the way
the degraders continue to like bag tens and hang out
with amazing women who put up with that crap is wild.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
It's amazing. You just say, man, what what am I
doing wrong? But you know what's Vish doing? What are
you doing wrong?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Vish?

Speaker 5 (34:23):
I think it's just not being like available or not
being present. You know, a lot of times my excuse
it's like, oh yeah, i'll see you next week. Oh yeah,
oh someone invited me out for like beers the other day.
Haven't gotten back to her right like that? It's just
not being available as generally my problem. I think I think,
but you know that.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Maybe there might be able.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
You've got a hinge account recently I did. I'm not well, okay,
so I redownloaded Hinge. Uh, and then I put up
my profile info kept the pronouns out of course.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
The patrole file pick is key, like, do you include
like other friends who are attractive people city scape?

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Well? No, My opening is like one of my best
shots from one of the Gallas. No, no, no, one
of the Gallays. It's a great shot. It's my Jay
Gatsby pick, as I call it. But what I try
to do is I try to show like different scenes
from my life, right, So like one on a boat
that means like you might end up on a boat
if you end up dating me. Right, It's like one

(35:23):
in like a really beautiful hotel in New York, and
in the you know, vestibule or whatever, it's like you
might end up here, right uh. And so I try
to show different scenes in my life to be like
that you want your socialize herself in, right, It's like, oh,
I want to be there.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I want to be there. I want to be there.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
So that's what I do, you know, I try to
remove as many friends as possible, definitely no girls, because
you don't want them getting jealous.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Off the bat. Yeah, but I know guys who say
that like having the like you know, the sister who's there,
or having like you know, showing that you have friends
who are women, right a certain threshold that like, you know,
you're not you're not a threat, you know.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Right, maybe maybe i'd have to get one like petting
a dog or hiking or something that's gonna require.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
A lot the last time you go on incident report
out on that. So California seems to be a tougher
place than most to like raise kids. You know, this
ain't may bury out here. There's some you know guy
you know, shooting up on the side of the road.
That the way they have the homeless tolerance here is

(36:31):
foreign to me as a Florida man. So here in California,
did you find the experience easier or different than maybe
it would have been in other parts of the country.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Well, being from Philly, you have a you start from within,
and that means in the house, so you can you
start controlling your family within the house.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
This is what we do.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
We're having dinner, this is the time there, we're having
summer reading so certain things. You're going to be in sports,
you're going to do this, You're going to do something.
So if you have a good wife, that helps because
and she allows, she does some part you do, you
do the other part. But then you start controlling their friends. Okay,
you can hang out with this person, no sleepovers, you
can't do that. You gotta stay here. And you know, no, no, no,

(37:10):
no no, you don't sit on another man's lab. So
now we don't do that, honey, he's he's I don't
do that. I don't mean to offend you, but I
don't either. Thinking that she can sit on enemy man's lap.
That's not happening, okay, because the next thing, she's on
a pool pole and we're not doing that, so okay,
and then you.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Start a threshold issue for a father is keeping them off.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
The pole all day long, all day long, and so
and now anything else that's negative.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
So you just start controlling things that.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Nobody's getting on the pole with Jack. So he's good.
That was good.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
That was one, two three.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
If you wouldn't want two three, it's there, poor Jack.
My daughter's gonna be like, I can't believe you said
those things about Jack. Jack laughed, So we're good.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I'm guessing your daughter's in a regular viewer of the
Anchorman podcast. Could be.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
But he's you know, you know, she's in New York.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
She's in and she's you know, she's writing and she
she has her own podcasts and she's but she's of
that generation where she can laugh at herself. She's funny
and she's she's a truth teller. She curses a lot,
but that's from her mom. But just back to the
thing of just having making sure that you control their friends,

(38:21):
and then you control their environment and then you My
son was acting up one time and he was getting
in trouble, so we stripped his room, left him just
a bed sheet, one pair of shoes, two pair of pants,
and said, this is what's gonna be like in jail.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Because if you act this way, you're gonna end up jailing.
This is all you get. So we did it for
six months.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Six months. You didn't have child Protective Services on you.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
It was, and it was, it was. He never forgot it.
But and then my daughter one time, it's when the
phones came out. She took a picture of her bosom
so printed it up and put it all over the house.
She was totally embarrassed. I said, oh, no, you want
everyone to see it, so just put it up there.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I love. That is power, dad, dude.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
So you're just like, this is what we're doing. And
of course moms like, don't do that. This is gon
embarrass the rest of her like, no, it's just us
in the house. But she needs to understand that if
she puts it out there, that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
So it sounds like you have a parenting philosophy of
allowing the hand to hit the hot frying pan every
once in a while. Yeahs, and that that's important. Maybe
that makes them tough.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Well, I think it makes them aware, you know, of
what if you can do it, that might happen. You know,
just like our son, you know, he had to learn
because he went to uh little private school. Then he
went to Morehouse, which was a culture shop. You know,
he had to found out because he was in the keys.
Then he got into.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Grits, a whole different.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
He's like, Dad, these people are different.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, yeah, they young people, but they different right food. Yeah,
So it was you know, I know, you know kmal
Camal is a doctor now.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, so so it's.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
It's a journey. It's a beautiful journey being a parent,
but you have to be present because it goes by
so fast.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Are you glad when they leave?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah, But but then you have a different kind of
worry because then you know they're out drinking, you know,
they out with their friends. You know, they you know,
things could happen to them. You know, you get a
phone call, you know, as soon as you look at
the time, right away, you know, he's like, okay, you know,
and they got a certain dial. You know, our daughter
got hit by a bicyclist in New York broke a
jaw o you know, so you like.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
One of those uh. I mean there's a lot of
the illegal immigrants running food around.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Right, No, that's a lot. But then in New York
City a lot of bicyclists. Man, yeah, yeah, I'm shocked.
There's not like three of those people dead every day.
The way they're going up and down.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Oh yeah, the way they drive it. Yes, are you
in New York?

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah, I'm a New York guy, so that you know,
when you say Brooklyn and all that, like, yeah, the
bicyclists are insane in New York and there's it's not
like here in California, there's a lot of bike lanes.
It's a lot of space. Uh it's they're not as crowded.
There's no space in New York. But there's bike lanes everywhere.
I mean, and it is. Actually it's a game of
frogger every time you're out on the street orh.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, you learn how to ride a bike. Back East,
you learn how to ride a bike learned. There's no
no right away. Just that's the beauty when you get
confused when you come out to California, you're like, oh,
you're stopping for me.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
It's a lot of fun, but you're gonna enjoy it.
Though you're gonna enjoy it's gonna make you.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Do you ever have to go fight with their teachers? No, mom,
because mom's oh you deploy her for that.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah that's we're going in uniform. Yeah, oh yeah, uniform.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
But you but you're gonna be a different Everyone's gonna
notice how different you are. They're gonna be like, Okay,
he's you know, he's listening more, he's not that he's
you know, he's which is a beautiful journey. They're gonna
see a change in you. You think, oh, yeah, it's
gonna be it's gonna be a great, great you're gonna have,
especially since you got a good wite. Yeah, you had
a ragly wife.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
It's the number one thing in your quality of life.
I don't care who you are. If your wife is
mean to you when you get home, your life can
only be so happy. And if your wife is really
nice to you, a lot of things are gonna be
going wrong otherwise and there's still a pretty good existence
that you're able to.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, somebody in the house has to know how to season.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's yeah, I do all the cooking. Yeah, I do
all the cooking. I do all the dishes. Uh. So
you know, my wife does all the logistics. That's how
we divide and conquered. But that's to me, the coolest
thing about marriage is the specialization of skills. If you
marry someone that fills your gaps and you fill theirs,
you become them a real power team.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah, I'm the laundry guy.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Oh there we go.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I like Launchy because you can do it your pace
watch TV, Palsey come back.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
The problem is that the laundry war is a forever war,
you know, like you're always battling it like you never
win against the laundry. Yeah, it's just you know, it's
like a regime change battle in the Middle East. It
just drags on and there's way more blood than there
should be. There's chaos.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I wanted to ask you a question, Yeah, what when
you were in that fight with McCarthy in it you
because you were the young gun, and did you were
there any fears or did you just say I'm.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Going Honestly, the biggest fear I had then and still have,
is the judgment of history if this country goes down
because nobody was willing to make tough decisions about the
way we spend money. And like, one day, people are
going to look at the United States and they're gonna say,
this was this great nation, the wealthiest, rising incomes, rising

(43:31):
opportunity like nowhere else on the planet. Ever, how did
they lose it? And they're going to look at the
people who were on the board of directors for the country,
and my name's going to be on there. And the
weight of that was prescient on me, and I still
worry about it, and so I didn't care that like
and by the way, I just know they're all sellouts.

(43:51):
When you when you have this kind of proximity with
these people, not all, but the people who are trying
to bully me, it's like, oh, yeah, what you're here
because the raytheon lobbyist sent you go screw yourself, like, oh, oh,
you're worried that the speaker might not be able to
attend your fundraiser if we don't install him and get
some industry association to put one hundred thousand dollars in
your campaign like crime a freaking river.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, that was the thing we all took.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
And I was telling Viscus when we were watching you,
and I'm saying it's when the regular people were watching you,
like myself, we were like, Okay, he knows some stuff
that they're not telling us. He's on the inside and
he doesn't care. So it was kind of like it
wasn't comedy, but it was kind of like he's I
don't want to say Dave Chappelle, but whoever decided to

(44:37):
say this is the truth, and I'm gonna deal with
it whatever happens.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
And I wish both sides would like My critique of
the institution isn't a partisan one, right, I'm not like Oh,
it's all the Democrats fault. That's what a lot of
Republicans say. Democrats do the same thing on both sides.
You have a system where power is acquired through the
trading of favors for ill gotten money, and we're just
we deserve better than that from both sides. And it's

(45:03):
why I had some like weird collaborations and friendships when
I first got there. I got along with AOC really well.
And it was because even though we had wildly different
world views, I knew she at least wasn't bought. I
knew she wasn't doing what she was doing because there
was a donor or a lobbyist pushing her that way.
And so there were times like the progress the progressive

(45:25):
left and the populist right could work together on things
like surveillance or stopping wars, or like stopping the stock trading,
Like when you allow Congress to trade stocks, it's like
letting the referee bet on the basketball game. And I
think there is like common ground for an agenda like that,

(45:45):
but it will probably require some type of generational change
in the country.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Now we're I'm sorry to be, but your your father
and grandfather, how were they tar as far as Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
My you fight that fight.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well. I never got to meet my grandfather, he'd passed
before before I was born, But I mean the story
I read about him when he was a mayor was
that there were certain people in the railroad that wouldn't
allow the Indians to work on the railroad. They had
this racist view that they just shouldn't be eligible for
those jobs. And my grandfather went and knocked out that

(46:18):
superintendent for the railroad and insisted that those folks get
an opportunity to earn. And that has always instilled in
me a sense that the little guy deserves a champion too,
And there are so many virtuous fights to be in
to deploy your talents too. My dad is a very
sophisticated politician. He was the president of the Florida Senate.

(46:40):
You know, I come from a line of politicians, and
I think he watched with pride, but also as someone
trying to understand. This was something that had never happened
in like one hundred years in our country, and I
think he was searching for understanding too. And there are
just rare moments you get a chance to break through

(47:01):
where eyes are on you and you get a chance
to make your argument, and in those times, I didn't
know if I was going to win or lose. There
was a lot up in the air, but I at
least wanted the country to hear what was wrong with
the place. And I'm not going to be the guy
to ultimately fix it, but I could at least provide
that diagnosis.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
In that moment, because I wonder why the powers told
be don't allow us to know those little things about
your dad, your grandfather. It's like, it's with all the
stuff right there that makes us look at you a
little different, because when I did my research, I'm like,
all right, okay, that's a different mach Okay, that's that's
Matt Gaze.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
That's the whole thing, and the same thing with you.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
I looked at it, okay because I thought I just
thought you were the thug in the blue suit.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
That's actually what he was hoping exactly what I was
going for, by the way, so it worked apparently.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
But watching you two in your arenas, it was it
was really interesting watching.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
You know what. I wish they would let the cameras
into the Congress to watch how the different members interact,
because under the rules of Congress. The camera can only
be on that center podium and can't move and on
one pool. Well, when I was doing all that stuff
with McCarthy, no rules had been adopted yet, so they

(48:14):
could put the cameras everywhere, and so people were like,
what was Matt Gaates talking to ilhan Omar about for
twelve minutes? What were these people that you know that
have nothing to do with each other? And why was
the Black Caucus huddled in this really intense conversation And
you got a wide lens of government and action and
they don't want You know why they don't want it

(48:36):
because most of the time the place is just empty.
Most of the time, folks are just talking to an
empty room. No one's listening. All those things that you
said make a successful marriage and parenting relationship and family,
they don't really happen in our government.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Well, well, we enjoyed that part, the huddling, the talking,
and you were the center of it.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
You're like, all right, they're gonna start fighting.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Well it was cool, it was I could have take
and that guy with the two pey, But that is
all the time we have. Lewis I The hour flew by,
and I really appreciate you taking the time to come
visit with us. You are a true legend in the medium,
and I know our audience will appreciate learning a little
more about you. And I personally appreciate all the dad
and parenting and husband advice.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Well, I appreciate you inviting me.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
You ands it was in shout out to you directing
and producer, and it's really it was a pleasure meeting you.
I didn't even know you were at the show. Yeah,
that was but I didn't know he was that show,
and I felt, I felt, I felt.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I was like, Okay, he got me. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Oh yeah, we definitely got you.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
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